Re: dual boot winxp & 9.1-rc3

[Ilya Kazakevich]

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Fbsd8  wrote:

> On an old 20gb hard drive I first installed winxp on the first half of the
> HD. winxp booted fine. Then I installed 9.1-rc3 on the second half of the
> HD. Now when I boot the HD I only get 9.1-rc3. Winxp created mbr and
> installed winxp into first dos partition. 9.1-rc3 uses bsdinstall which
> uses gpart to create the slice as gpart show displays as see below...
>
> =>  63  39862305  ada0  MBR  (19G)
> 63  19928097 1  ntfs  (9.5G)
>   19928160  19933137 2  freebsd  [active]  (9.5G)
>   39861297  1071- free -  (535k)
>
> =>   0  19933137  ada0s2  BSD  (9.5G)
>  0  18933760   1  freebsd-ufs  (9.0G)
>   18933760995328   2  freebsd-swap  (486M)
>   19929088  4049  - free -  (2M)
>
> Now I want to add BSD dual boot to the MBR.
> Is this all I need?
>
>  fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 ada
>
>
Yes, you should install "bootmanager" (boot0) to the MBR of your HDD.
You probably better use boot0cfg (man boot0cfg )

BTW you could also use windows boot manager (fetch MBS and configure
boot.ini to work with it) but boot0 is, probably, better.

Ilya.
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dual boot winxp & 9.1-rc3

[Fbsd8]

On an old 20gb hard drive I first installed winxp on the first half of 
the HD. winxp booted fine. Then I installed 9.1-rc3 on the second half 
of the HD. Now when I boot the HD I only get 9.1-rc3. Winxp created mbr 
and installed winxp into first dos partition. 9.1-rc3 uses bsdinstall 
which uses gpart to create the slice as gpart show displays as see below...


=>  63  39862305  ada0  MBR  (19G)
63  19928097 1  ntfs  (9.5G)
  19928160  19933137 2  freebsd  [active]  (9.5G)
  39861297  1071- free -  (535k)

=>   0  19933137  ada0s2  BSD  (9.5G)
 0  18933760   1  freebsd-ufs  (9.0G)
  18933760995328   2  freebsd-swap  (486M)
  19929088  4049  - free -  (2M)

Now I want to add BSD dual boot to the MBR.
Is this all I need?

 fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 ada


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Re: Dual Boot Windows 7 FreeBSd 8.3

[from_mars]

Hi.

Sorry for my english.

I have a dual boot system, windows 7 64-bit (ada1) and FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 
GEOM (ada0).

I did it by installing FreeBSD boot0 on Windows HDD:

boot0cfg -B ada1

then I choose Windows HDD as first boot drive in BIOS. Now at boot i 
have boot0 menu:


F1 - Win
F5 - Drive 1

F6  don't remember

where Win is booting Windows 7, and F5 booting FreeBSD.
My Windows HDD divided on to partitions, so i have to use 'boot0cfg -m 
some_mask' to delete second Windows partition from boot0 menu.


Everything works fine.
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Re: Dual Boot Windows 7 FreeBSd 8.3

[Warren Block]

On Wed, 23 May 2012, Jerry McAllister wrote:


On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 07:32:06PM -0300, Mario Lobo wrote:


On Wednesday 23 May 2012 18:49:06 Jerry McAllister wrote:

Hi,

I have been searching through questions and forums for information
on dual booting FreeBSD 8.3 on a machine with Windows 7 already on it.

My problem is that the posts seem to go around in circles and be
contradictory.  I am not sure which to believe.

My new machine has two disk drives.  Windows 7 is on ad0 and I want
to put FreeBSD 8.3 on ad1, leaving W7 as is.   So, I don't even have
to shrink a primary slice to do this.


Since each system is going to be on different physical drives, why don't you
make things easy for you and just use the BIOS boot menu to choose which
drive to boot from?


That surely seems the hard way.Why interrupt the boot and go
in to the BIOS every time when that is all provided for in the
boot structure?


It depends on the system, but many have a boot menu that is less 
intrusive than a multi-boot loader.  F11 or F12 usually.


Otherwise, EasyBCD works.
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Re: Dual Boot Windows 7 FreeBSd 8.3

[Thomas D. Dean]

On 05/23/12 14:49, Jerry McAllister wrote:

Hi,



I have a dual boot system, windows 7 (ad0) and FreeBSD 9-stable (ad1).

I moved back to BIOS boot after (I think) windows upgrade stabbed ad0.

I found the system with a blank screen in the AM.  Using BIOS boot, The 
first windows screen had an update message.


Tom Dean
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Re: Dual Boot Windows 7 FreeBSd 8.3

[Mario Lobo]

On Wednesday 23 May 2012 19:41:22 Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > Since each system is going to be on different physical drives, why don't
> > you make things easy for you and just use the BIOS boot menu to choose
> > which drive to boot from?
> 
> That surely seems the hard way.Why interrupt the boot and go
> in to the BIOS every time when that is all provided for in the
> boot structure?
> 
> jerry

Because if you want to switch systems you're gonna have to reboot anyway!

The boot manager is nothing but an automatic interruption of the boot process 
to give you a chance to press a key for the system you want to boot from.

But you're right. Pressing 3 keys instead of one or none IS the hard way.

just my 0,02...

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Re: Dual Boot Windows 7 FreeBSd 8.3

[doug]

On Wed, 23 May 2012, Jerry McAllister wrote:


Hi,

I have been searching through questions and forums for information
on dual booting FreeBSD 8.3 on a machine with Windows 7 already on it.

My problem is that the posts seem to go around in circles and be
contradictory.  I am not sure which to believe.

My new machine has two disk drives.  Windows 7 is on ad0 and I want
to put FreeBSD 8.3 on ad1, leaving W7 as is.   So, I don't even have
to shrink a primary slice to do this.

I have dual booted Xp, Windows 98 and 95 with various FreeBSDs before
with no problem.   But, the story I keep hearing now seems to be that
Windows 7 is more picky and will not work with the FreeBSD MBR.   I am
not sure why.


I have only done this with systems up to 8.1. With one disk you obviously have 
to shrink the partition. Depending on the size and how long windows 7 has been 
mucking with the disk there may be non-movable files.So you could need something 
a bit more sophicated the the native partition manager. Past that until 9.0, 
which works perfectly, installing an MBR removes the windows 7 MBR.


From scratch using FreeBSD to make at least three partitions, installing FreeBSD 
in the third one and reinstalling from a restore set (which will most like use 
partitions 1 and 2) and then using a windows 7 compliant boot manager works.


If you can shrink the windows partition to get enough space, make a windows 
restore set and then install FreeBSD and a boot manager. I have done this with 
7.x, 8.0 and 8.1. I did a post I can probably find.



At least some people seem to be claiming that I canNOT just do the
install and put the FreeBSD MBR on the primary slices right from the
sysnstall menu just like in the good old days - that the only way to
make it work is to use something called 'Easybcd' to edit whatever
Windows 7 puts in place rather than using the FreeBSD MBR and then
use the MS MBR with whatever Easybcd does to it.


Easybcd is what I used.


Then again there were some posts that seemed to claim that using the
FreeBSD MBR in the tried and true old way is just fine and everything
just works.   I'd like to think that is true.


Me too, but until 9.0 that has not been my experience.


I really don't want to have to scrounge up install media and remake
the Windows 7 just because I do some wrong thing or I would just
smoke test it.  I am really phobic when it comes to MS stuff.


If you can shrink the partition its fairly straight foward. The main trick is 
once you have shrunk the partion you must make a restore set because if you have 
to restore, the process rewrites everything, partition table and MBE as well as 
the windows partition. So if you do not and have to restore, your FreeBSD 
partition will disappear.



I don't need any fancy boot menu.  What I have had in the past is
just fine. I just want to select either of the OSen and get some
stuff done.  I expect to be booted to FreeBSD most of the time, but
need to use some W7 now and then for powder point, etc.

If someone who understands the process underlying the boot system and
knows if Windows 7 really does require something else now, who can speak
with confidence can enlighten us, I would certainly appreciate it.


Using FreeBSD 9.0 takes away the need for a third party boot manager but all the 
rest of the above applies, I am pretty sure. All my experience with windows 7 
has been with AMD64, a Dell laptop, and a cute little HP thingy that I got for 
$300. If it is helpful I can probably dig up some details but the 8.x stuff I 
did was a year ago so the frog of war dims my recollection of details.



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Re: Dual Boot Windows 7 FreeBSd 8.3

[Jerry McAllister]

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 07:32:06PM -0300, Mario Lobo wrote:

> On Wednesday 23 May 2012 18:49:06 Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have been searching through questions and forums for information
> > on dual booting FreeBSD 8.3 on a machine with Windows 7 already on it.
> > 
> > My problem is that the posts seem to go around in circles and be
> > contradictory.  I am not sure which to believe.
> > 
> > My new machine has two disk drives.  Windows 7 is on ad0 and I want
> > to put FreeBSD 8.3 on ad1, leaving W7 as is.   So, I don't even have
> > to shrink a primary slice to do this.
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > 
> > jerry
> > ___
> 
> 
> Since each system is going to be on different physical drives, why don't you 
> make things easy for you and just use the BIOS boot menu to choose which 
> drive to boot from?

That surely seems the hard way.Why interrupt the boot and go
in to the BIOS every time when that is all provided for in the
boot structure?

jerry  


> 
> -- 
> Mario Lobo
> http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
> FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE)
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Re: Dual Boot Windows 7 FreeBSd 8.3

[Mario Lobo]

On Wednesday 23 May 2012 18:49:06 Jerry McAllister wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have been searching through questions and forums for information
> on dual booting FreeBSD 8.3 on a machine with Windows 7 already on it.
> 
> My problem is that the posts seem to go around in circles and be
> contradictory.  I am not sure which to believe.
> 
> My new machine has two disk drives.  Windows 7 is on ad0 and I want
> to put FreeBSD 8.3 on ad1, leaving W7 as is.   So, I don't even have
> to shrink a primary slice to do this.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> jerry
> ___


Since each system is going to be on different physical drives, why don't you 
make things easy for you and just use the BIOS boot menu to choose which drive 
to boot from?

-- 
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http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE)
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Dual Boot Windows 7 FreeBSd 8.3

[Jerry McAllister]

Hi,

I have been searching through questions and forums for information
on dual booting FreeBSD 8.3 on a machine with Windows 7 already on it.

My problem is that the posts seem to go around in circles and be
contradictory.  I am not sure which to believe.

My new machine has two disk drives.  Windows 7 is on ad0 and I want
to put FreeBSD 8.3 on ad1, leaving W7 as is.   So, I don't even have
to shrink a primary slice to do this.

I have dual booted Xp, Windows 98 and 95 with various FreeBSDs before
with no problem.   But, the story I keep hearing now seems to be that 
Windows 7 is more picky and will not work with the FreeBSD MBR.   I am
not sure why.

At least some people seem to be claiming that I canNOT just do the 
install and put the FreeBSD MBR on the primary slices right from the
sysnstall menu just like in the good old days - that the only way to 
make it work is to use something called 'Easybcd' to edit whatever 
Windows 7 puts in place rather than using the FreeBSD MBR and then
use the MS MBR with whatever Easybcd does to it.

Then again there were some posts that seemed to claim that using the
FreeBSD MBR in the tried and true old way is just fine and everything
just works.   I'd like to think that is true.

I really don't want to have to scrounge up install media and remake
the Windows 7 just because I do some wrong thing or I would just
smoke test it.  I am really phobic when it comes to MS stuff.

I don't need any fancy boot menu.  What I have had in the past is
just fine. I just want to select either of the OSen and get some
stuff done.  I expect to be booted to FreeBSD most of the time, but
need to use some W7 now and then for powder point, etc.

If someone who understands the process underlying the boot system and 
knows if Windows 7 really does require something else now, who can speak
with confidence can enlighten us, I would certainly appreciate it.

Thank you,

jerry
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Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

[Unga]

- Original Message -

> From: Thomas Mueller 
> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:47 AM
> Subject: Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?
> 
>>  Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux?
> 
>>  I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs Grub1 to 
> mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot recognise the file 
> system
> +type.
> 
>>  Any help in this regard is very much appreciated.
> 
>>  Many thanks in advance.
> 
>>  Unga
> 
> Not yet, but I intend to, once I get Linux built and installed, possibly 
> starting with a cross-compile from FreeBSD 9.
> 
> On my older computer, i386 (32-bit), I dual-boot FreeBSD 8.2 and Linux 
> (Slackware) using LILO, also FreeDOS on another hard disk, can even boot 
> grub4dos and Plop (http://www.plop.at/) boot manager from LILO.
> 
> Can you use rootnoverify with grub1 (you must mean grub 0.97)?
> 
Yes, it is 0.97. 

> You could also try grub2, which is in the ports under sysutils.
> 
> Is your hard disk partitioned MBR or GPT?
> 

Its MBR.

> My hard disk is partitioned GPT, I still can't boot the hard disk directly, 
> but using the System Rescue CD (http://sysresccd.org/), I go to the Super 
> Grub 
> Disk in the floppy images, hit c to get to command prompt, and
> 
> set root=(hd0,3)
> kfreebsd /boot/loader
> boot
> 
> You would use the actual FreeBSD partition which will probably be different 
> from 
> (hd0,3).
> 
> Tom
> 

Tom,  thanks for the reply. I managed to get both OpenSUSE 11.4 and FreeBSD 9 
dual-boot on i386 desktop computer.

Unga

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Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux? [ SOLVED]

[Unga]

- Original Message -

> From: Carl Johnson 
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:12 AM
> Subject: Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?
> 
> Unga  writes:
> 
>>  Hi all
>> 
>>  Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux?
>> 
>>  I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs
>>  Grub1 to mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot
>>  recognise the file system type.
>> 
>>  Any help in this regard is very much appreciated.
> 
> It isn't very difficult and there are at least two ways to do it.
> Grub1 actually does support ffs and ufs2 file systems, but the linux
> distributions don't seem to include the drivers.  If you can get the
> source, that should have all of them.  I think that I just got the grub
> package from the FreeBSD file system and copied the additional drivers
> directly into my linux grub directory, but I am not sure now.
> 
> The other way is to use the 'chainloader' command.  You just specify the
> disk and partition (slice) with the root command, and then add the
> commands 'chainloader +1' and 'boot'.  The chainloader command 
> just
> means to boot whatever is at the first sector of the previously
> specified disk and slice.  I think the first sector of a ufs2 file
> system just jumps to the loader.
> 
> The menu items from mine are just:
> 
> title           FreeBSD /boot/loader
> root            (hd1,2,a)
> kernel          /boot/loader
> boot
> 
> title           FreeBSD chainloader
> root            (hd1,2)
> chainloader     +1
> boot
> 
> In my case, those specifies that they use the third slice on the second
> disk.  The first menu item requires that you already have the
> 'ufs2_stage1_5' file in your grub directory.
> 

Hi Carl

Thank you very much for the reply.

Your second method (ie. chainloader) worked, but the grub still say file system 
type is unknown.

The ufs2_stage1_5 is available in /boot/grub/.

Since now I can have a working dual boot with Linux, I conclude this is solved.

Best regards
Unga
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Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

[Thomas Mueller]

> Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

> I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs Grub1 to 
> mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot recognise the file 
> system
+type.

> Any help in this regard is very much appreciated.

> Many thanks in advance.

> Unga

Not yet, but I intend to, once I get Linux built and installed, possibly 
starting with a cross-compile from FreeBSD 9.

On my older computer, i386 (32-bit), I dual-boot FreeBSD 8.2 and Linux 
(Slackware) using LILO, also FreeDOS on another hard disk, can even boot 
grub4dos and Plop (http://www.plop.at/) boot manager from LILO.

Can you use rootnoverify with grub1 (you must mean grub 0.97)?

You could also try grub2, which is in the ports under sysutils.

Is your hard disk partitioned MBR or GPT?

My hard disk is partitioned GPT, I still can't boot the hard disk directly, but 
using the System Rescue CD (http://sysresccd.org/), I go to the Super Grub Disk 
in the floppy images, hit c to get to command prompt, and

set root=(hd0,3)
kfreebsd /boot/loader
boot

You would use the actual FreeBSD partition which will probably be different 
from (hd0,3).

Tom

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Re: How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

[Carl Johnson]

Unga  writes:

> Hi all
>
> Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux?
>
> I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs
> Grub1 to mbr. Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot
> recognise the file system type.
>
> Any help in this regard is very much appreciated.

It isn't very difficult and there are at least two ways to do it.
Grub1 actually does support ffs and ufs2 file systems, but the linux
distributions don't seem to include the drivers.  If you can get the
source, that should have all of them.  I think that I just got the grub
package from the FreeBSD file system and copied the additional drivers
directly into my linux grub directory, but I am not sure now.

The other way is to use the 'chainloader' command.  You just specify the
disk and partition (slice) with the root command, and then add the
commands 'chainloader +1' and 'boot'.  The chainloader command just
means to boot whatever is at the first sector of the previously
specified disk and slice.  I think the first sector of a ufs2 file
system just jumps to the loader.

The menu items from mine are just:

title   FreeBSD /boot/loader
root(hd1,2,a)
kernel  /boot/loader
boot

title   FreeBSD chainloader
root(hd1,2)
chainloader +1
boot

In my case, those specifies that they use the third slice on the second
disk.  The first menu item requires that you already have the
'ufs2_stage1_5' file in your grub directory.

-- 
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How to dual-boot FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

[Unga]

Hi all

Is any one by now successfully dual-booting FreeBSD 9 with Linux?

I have tried with OpenSuse 11.4 with FreeBSD 9. OpenSuse installs Grub1 to mbr. 
Grub1 doesn't seem to support FreeBSD 9. It cannot recognise the file system 
type.

Any help in this regard is very much appreciated.

Many thanks in advance.

Unga

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Re: Hi installing on windows dual boot

[Daniel Staal]

On Wed, July 27, 2011 7:58 am, Polytropon wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:06:57 +, Ganesh Khedkar wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>  I am new to FreeBSD , just wanted to give one suggestion that ,
>> Ubuntu linux have given one
>> Nice facility to user that they can easily install Ubuntu in windows and
>> any drive we want .
>> Even we can assign size to that drive . So cant we provide this
>> facility to our user .
>> So that people can experience freeBSD.
>
> Currently you cannot install FreeBSD from withing "Windows",
> if this is what you mean. FreeBSD is an operating system
> that needs to be booted _on_ the machine it should be
> installed to, as the installer requires that OS - just
> the same way you cannot simply "try" a "Windows" by
> installing it into, let's say... Solaris. :-)

I think the original poster was referring to the fact that Ubuntu actually
has an installer that can run as a Windows application, and will resize
your hard drive for you and install a dual-boot setup.  It does this while
you are running Windows, although it has to reboot the machine.  (Which it
will do automatically for you.)

It's very slick, and would be an interesting addition to FreeBSD, but I
don't think it's likely to be something that will get worked on soon. 
Ubuntu is targeted at non-technical users, especially ones not likely to
have run Linux (or any other open-source OS) before.  FreeBSD is largely
targeted at more technical users, and at the server space instead of the
desktop.  So such a tool would be a high priority for Ubuntu (as it makes
installing the OS much easier for a newbie), it's not the top of the list
for FreeBSD.

Daniel T. Staal

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Re: Hi installing on windows dual boot

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:06:57 +, Ganesh Khedkar wrote:
> Hi all, 
>  I am new to FreeBSD , just wanted to give one suggestion that , Ubuntu 
> linux have given one 
> Nice facility to user that they can easily install Ubuntu in windows and any 
> drive we want .
> Even we can assign size to that drive . So cant we provide this facility 
> to our user .
> So that people can experience freeBSD.

Currently you cannot install FreeBSD from withing "Windows",
if this is what you mean. FreeBSD is an operating system
that needs to be booted _on_ the machine it should be
installed to, as the installer requires that OS - just
the same way you cannot simply "try" a "Windows" by
installing it into, let's say... Solaris. :-)

Hint 1: You need to install FreeBSD in order to use it.
This is done by booting FreeBSD.

However, you can "install" (i. e. use) a system image for
a virtualisation software, e. g. for VMWare or VirtualPC.
You can use the default installation approaches (from CD
or DVD, from USB drive), or you can download a "turnkey"
solution that provides a preinstalled and preconfigured
system that you can run within "Windows" (using the VM
solution).

An example is VirtualBSD: http://www.virtualbsd.info/

Hint 2: You can use a VM solution.

You can _easily_ install a dual-boot solution for FreeBSD
and "Windows", but you have to do that from within the
FreeBSD installer, as mentioned above.

You can _also_ use PC-BSD to install a "normal" FreeBSD,
as well as the PC-BSD operating system (derived from FreeBSD).
This is also simple and easy.

Find more info here: http://www.pcbsd.org/

Hint 3: Dual-booting is easy. :-)

During _any_ of the installation methods mentioned, you
can define the target drive and the size of your installation.
Typically it is a hard disk, but it doesn't have to be.

More information is provided by the FreeBSD Handbook and
the FAQ, which you'll find here:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/

FreeBSD provides excellent documentation that helps you
to do the easy task of installation.


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legal notices at the end of emails (was: Re: Hi installing on windows dual boot)

[Damien Fleuriot]

On 7/27/11 5:11 PM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> 
>> A heads up about your footer: This email goes onto a mailing
>> list that is available via an online archive... your "terms"
>> are violated just by sending an email to this mailing list.
> 
> Not necessarily.  It says [emphasis added]:
> 
>>> The contents of this eMail ... should not be disclosed
>>> to, ... anyone _other than the intended addressee(s)_ ...
>>> Any _unauthorized_ review ... is strictly prohibited ...
> 
> I don't see a problem provided the archived mailing list is
> considered to be among "the intended addressee(s)" and the
> sender is considered, by the act of sending it to an archived
> list, to have authorized the archiving (and implicitly any
> subsequent use of the archive).
>

All the same, any of you guys ever take this kind of notice seriously ?
I mean, really ?


See, you've actually read the e-mail prior to reading (and thus
accepting or refusing) the "legal" notice.

It's like me sending you an e-mail, with a footer saying "By reading
this e-mail you hereby forfeit all of your fortune, properties and
claims in favor of Pwnd LTD, who shall be the sole and universal
beneficiary, and has just done you good.".

Just because they appear in an e-mail and you've read that e-mail
doesn't mean you've acknowledged said terms, let alone accepted them.


I for one, on principle, decline to abide by such terms, which may in no
case be enforced on me, seeing I never accepted them in the first place.

One would have to get my consent to abide by their legal notice THEN
send me the actual contents.

Now, that would work.
Then again, on principle I would decline said terms so they couldn't
send me whatever they wanted...



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Re: Hi installing on windows dual boot

[perryh]

Ryan Coleman  wrote:

> A heads up about your footer: This email goes onto a mailing
> list that is available via an online archive... your "terms"
> are violated just by sending an email to this mailing list.

Not necessarily.  It says [emphasis added]:

> > The contents of this eMail ... should not be disclosed
> > to, ... anyone _other than the intended addressee(s)_ ...
> > Any _unauthorized_ review ... is strictly prohibited ...

I don't see a problem provided the archived mailing list is
considered to be among "the intended addressee(s)" and the
sender is considered, by the act of sending it to an archived
list, to have authorized the archiving (and implicitly any
subsequent use of the archive).
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Re: Hi installing on windows dual boot

[Matthew Seaman]

On 26/07/2011 12:06, Ganesh Khedkar wrote:
>  I am new to FreeBSD , just wanted to give one suggestion that , Ubuntu 
> linux have given one 
> Nice facility to user that they can easily install Ubuntu in windows and any 
> drive we want .
> Even we can assign size to that drive . So cant we provide this facility 
> to our user .
> So that people can experience freeBSD.

Hmmm... There's nothing wrong with this idea, but I doubt it's going to
be implemented in FreeBSD any time soon.  (Only if someone steps up to
the plate and provides patches probably.)  At the moment, FreeBSD is in
the throws of replacing the old sysinstall(8) with a brand-new, written
from scratch installer.  The focus is on getting the installer to
support all of the capabilities of the OS like ZFS or gmirror, and what
you propose is not a priority right now.

You can already build a dual-boot system, but you'll need to know how to
go beyond what the installer provides.  This is a core FreeBSD concept:
learning is desirable, so the OS doesn't try and hide the gory details
under a glossy GUI.  It's a bit off-putting to beginners, but you're
only a beginner for a relatively short time, and the FreeBSD way really
does pay dividends once you have some knowledge.

I heartily recommend PC-BSD for any beginner that wants to get their
feet wet and build a desktop BSD system -- essentially the same role
that Ubuntu is aimed at -- not that it isn't good for seasoned old
campaigners that just want to spin up a desktop quickly either.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Hi installing on windows dual boot

[Ryan Coleman]

A heads up about your footer: This email goes onto a mailing list that is 
available via an online archive... your "terms" are violated just by sending an 
email to this mailing list.


On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Ganesh Khedkar wrote:

> Hi all, 
> I am new to FreeBSD , just wanted to give one suggestion that , Ubuntu 
> linux have given one 
> Nice facility to user that they can easily install Ubuntu in windows and any 
> drive we want .
>Even we can assign size to that drive . So cant we provide this facility 
> to our user .
> So that people can experience freeBSD.
> 
> 
> P.S. : If i am wrong then please let me know .
> 
> Regards, 
> Ganesh K. 
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Hi installing on windows dual boot

[Ganesh Khedkar]

Hi all, 
 I am new to FreeBSD , just wanted to give one suggestion that , Ubuntu 
linux have given one 
Nice facility to user that they can easily install Ubuntu in windows and any 
drive we want .
Even we can assign size to that drive . So cant we provide this facility to 
our user .
So that people can experience freeBSD.


P.S. : If i am wrong then please let me know .

Regards, 
Ganesh K. 

 


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Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7

[Julian H. Stacey]

> I've always meant to submit it as a PR, but found the send-pr(1) too
> daunting. (It is impossible/undesirable for me to have a working mail
> sender on my system and I have not yet found a way for send-pr(1) to
> work in offline mode for delayed sending by a different machine.)

Easy.
Just run send-pr, then delete all top lines with SEND-PR:
Then mouse or floppy copy to a window /machine with a sendmail running.

> I
> suppose I could give the HTML version a try...

http://www.freebsd.org/support/bugreports.html

Cheers,
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Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7

[Gyrd Thane Lange]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 01:52:16 +0200
Gyrd Thane Lange  wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:56:51 -0700
> per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> 
> > Gyrd Thane Lange  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:47:26 -0700
> > > per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > ... The code in i386/boot2 and
> > > > lib/libstand is written to find the / (or /boot) FS on a
> > > > BSD partition of an fdisk "primary partition" (aka slice),
> > > > or in a GPT partition, and would need additions to handle
> > > > fdisk "extended partitions".
> > >
> > > Some years ago I ran into a similar problem. I ran out of primary
> > > partitions (using MBR-speak) and had to move FreeBSD into an
> > > extended partition.
> > >
> > > Here the simple patch I wrote for the FreeBSD boot loader:
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Any thought of submitting that as a PR?
> 
> I've always meant to submit it as a PR, but found the send-pr(1) too
> daunting. (It is impossible/undesirable for me to have a working mail
> sender on my system and I have not yet found a way for send-pr(1) to
> work in offline mode for delayed sending by a different machine.) I
> suppose I could give the HTML version a try...


kern/158358: [patch] allow /boot/loader to work from an MBR extended
partition

> > > The next challenge is to find a boot manager that will pick up
> > > FreeBSD in an extended partition. For myself I use a self patched
> > > GRUB. (GRUB also nearly worked out of the box, but had a different
> > > problem.)
> > 
> > It makes sense that GRUB would understand "extended partitions"
> > since its roots are in Linux which is often installed in extended
> > partitions.  Ideally FreeBSD should have a native solution, i.e.
> > a version of boot2 that would understand extended partitions.
> > Dunno without trying it if the capability could be added to the
> > existing boot2 without exceeding available space, or if it would
> > need a new variant.
> 
> I agree that would have been more convenient, but since MBR is going
> the way of the dodo I haven't looked that closely into it.
> 
> > > You're welcome to have those patches as well if you need them.
> > 
> > It would be good to get them posted somewhere.  GRUB is not in the
> > FreeBSD tree AFAIK, so send-pr is likely not all that good a method,
> > but perhaps they could be pushed upstream to the GRUB maintainers?
> 
> The problem with GRUB was computing the correct absolute start sector
> of FreeBSD partitions, as in bsdlabel(8), when they resided in
> "extended partitions". More details are available as comments in the
> patch.
> 
> 
> All that's required is to drop the file into:
> 
>   /usr/ports/sysutils/grub/files/
> 
> and then build the port, install grub, e.t.c.
> 
> I can make a PR for it against the sysutils/grub port. I'll also look
> into how to push it upstream.

I have filed the following PR:

ports/158362: sysutils/grub [patch] allow GRUB to boot FreeBSD from an
extended partition

While doing so I discovered another one with a similar theme.

ports/152389: sysutils/grub and sysutils/grub2 misinterpret disklabels
created with bsdlabel

Gyrd ^_^
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Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7

[Gyrd Thane Lange]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:56:51 -0700
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

> Gyrd Thane Lange  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:47:26 -0700
> > per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> >
> > > ... The code in i386/boot2 and
> > > lib/libstand is written to find the / (or /boot) FS on a
> > > BSD partition of an fdisk "primary partition" (aka slice),
> > > or in a GPT partition, and would need additions to handle
> > > fdisk "extended partitions".
> >
> > Some years ago I ran into a similar problem. I ran out of primary
> > partitions (using MBR-speak) and had to move FreeBSD into an
> > extended partition.
> >
> > Here the simple patch I wrote for the FreeBSD boot loader:
> > 
> > 
> 
> Any thought of submitting that as a PR?

I've always meant to submit it as a PR, but found the send-pr(1) too
daunting. (It is impossible/undesirable for me to have a working mail
sender on my system and I have not yet found a way for send-pr(1) to
work in offline mode for delayed sending by a different machine.) I
suppose I could give the HTML version a try...

> > The next challenge is to find a boot manager that will pick up
> > FreeBSD in an extended partition. For myself I use a self patched
> > GRUB. (GRUB also nearly worked out of the box, but had a different
> > problem.)
> 
> It makes sense that GRUB would understand "extended partitions"
> since its roots are in Linux which is often installed in extended
> partitions.  Ideally FreeBSD should have a native solution, i.e.
> a version of boot2 that would understand extended partitions.
> Dunno without trying it if the capability could be added to the
> existing boot2 without exceeding available space, or if it would
> need a new variant.

I agree that would have been more convenient, but since MBR is going
the way of the dodo I haven't looked that closely into it.

> > You're welcome to have those patches as well if you need them.
> 
> It would be good to get them posted somewhere.  GRUB is not in the
> FreeBSD tree AFAIK, so send-pr is likely not all that good a method,
> but perhaps they could be pushed upstream to the GRUB maintainers?

The problem with GRUB was computing the correct absolute start sector
of FreeBSD partitions, as in bsdlabel(8), when they resided in
"extended partitions". More details are available as comments in the
patch.


All that's required is to drop the file into:

  /usr/ports/sysutils/grub/files/

and then build the port, install grub, e.t.c.

I can make a PR for it against the sysutils/grub port. I'll also look
into how to push it upstream.

> > Lastly I have the following in my kernel configuration file:
> >
> > include GENERIC
> > ...
> > nooptions GEOM_PART_BSD
> > nooptions GEOM_PART_MBR
> > options   GEOM_BSD
> > options   GEOM_MBR
> >
> > That is because I am not fond of the new mangled device names,
> > but prefer the old ones.
> 
> What differences?  AFAIK a disk sliced with fdisk and partitioned
> with bsdlabel will have partition names like ad0s1a regardless of
> which GEOM modules are used to process the MBR and partitions.
> It's only if one uses the GPT partitioning scheme instead of
> fdisk/bsdlabel that the disk will have partition names like ad0a.

Sorry, I didn't explain that very well. Yes, I agree that there
probably aren't any differences for primary slices, but I had some
trouble with slice names for slices in "extended partitions".

For instance, my root volume is on /dev/ad8s11a. I don't remember what
the new GEOM_PART_* suggested to call it, but it was very different.
Also I wanted to avoid using the hard-to-read names like

  /dev/ufsid/442602f4ad1b67d2

I suppose I could always get around that problem by using 

  tunefs -L myroot

and putting 

  vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:/dev/ufs/myroot"

in /boot/loader.conf. Similar change to /etc/fstab.


Gyrd ^_^
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Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7

[perryh]

Gyrd Thane Lange  wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:47:26 -0700
> per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
>
> > ... The code in i386/boot2 and
> > lib/libstand is written to find the / (or /boot) FS on a
> > BSD partition of an fdisk "primary partition" (aka slice),
> > or in a GPT partition, and would need additions to handle
> > fdisk "extended partitions".
>
> Some years ago I ran into a similar problem. I ran out of primary
> partitions (using MBR-speak) and had to move FreeBSD into an extended
> partition.
>
> Here the simple patch I wrote for the FreeBSD boot loader:
> 
> 

Any thought of submitting that as a PR?

> The next challenge is to find a boot manager that will pick up
> FreeBSD in an extended partition. For myself I use a self patched
> GRUB. (GRUB also nearly worked out of the box, but had a different
> problem.)

It makes sense that GRUB would understand "extended partitions"
since its roots are in Linux which is often installed in extended
partitions.  Ideally FreeBSD should have a native solution, i.e.
a version of boot2 that would understand extended partitions.
Dunno without trying it if the capability could be added to the
existing boot2 without exceeding available space, or if it would
need a new variant.

> You're welcome to have those patches as well if you need them.

It would be good to get them posted somewhere.  GRUB is not in the
FreeBSD tree AFAIK, so send-pr is likely not all that good a method,
but perhaps they could be pushed upstream to the GRUB maintainers?

> Lastly I have the following in my kernel configuration file:
>
> include GENERIC
> ...
> nooptions GEOM_PART_BSD
> nooptions GEOM_PART_MBR
> options   GEOM_BSD
> options   GEOM_MBR
>
> That is because I am not fond of the new mangled device names,
> but prefer the old ones.

What differences?  AFAIK a disk sliced with fdisk and partitioned
with bsdlabel will have partition names like ad0s1a regardless of
which GEOM modules are used to process the MBR and partitions.
It's only if one uses the GPT partitioning scheme instead of
fdisk/bsdlabel that the disk will have partition names like ad0a.
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Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7

[Gyrd Thane Lange]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:47:26 -0700
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

> d...@safeport.com wrote:
> 
> > If FreeBSD can be installed in an extended partition,
> > that would be a very useful howto.
> 
> _Installing_ it in an "extended partition" is easy enough.
> geom(8) understands "extended partitions" (although sysinstall
> does not, so you need to install using Fixit# as for other
> non-sysinstall cases such as ZFS).
> 
> The problem is _booting_ it.  The code in i386/boot2 and
> lib/libstand is written to find the / (or /boot) FS on a
> BSD partition of an fdisk "primary partition" (aka slice),
> or in a GPT partition, and would need additions to handle
> fdisk "extended partitions".

Some years ago I ran into a similar problem. I ran out of primary
partitions (using MBR-speak) and had to move FreeBSD into an extended
partition.

Here the simple patch I wrote for the FreeBSD boot loader:



To update your source use:

patch -d /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/libi386/ < boot_loader.diff

The FreeBSD loader has since a very long time ago attempted to work
with MBR extended partitions but a simple logical error has prevented
it from succeeding:

How it normally works.

-
| 1 |
-
| 2 | --
-   |
|
|
|
- <-
| 5 |
-
|   | --
-   |
|
|
|
- <-
| 6 |
-
|   |
-


How /boot/loader (incorrectly) works.

-
| 1 |
-
| 2 | --
-   |
|
|
|
- <-
| 5 |
-
| 6 | --
-   |
|
|
|
- <-
| 7 |
-
| 8 |
-


It has been a long time since I installed my system but I seem to
remember that all that is required is to copy the /boot/loader binary
from a patched system onto the newly installed one. (I have included a
copy of my /boot/loader at the URL above.)

The next challenge is to find a boot manager that will pick up FreeBSD
in an extended partition. For myself I use a self patched GRUB. (GRUB
also nearly worked out of the box, but had a different problem.) You're
welcome to have those patches as well if you need them.

Lastly I have the following in my kernel configuration file:

include GENERIC
...
nooptions GEOM_PART_BSD
nooptions GEOM_PART_MBR
options   GEOM_BSD
options   GEOM_MBR

That is because I am not fond of the new mangled device names, but
prefer the old ones.

Hope any of this helps.
Best regards,

Gyrd ^_^
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Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7

[perryh]

d...@safeport.com wrote:

> If FreeBSD can be installed in an extended partition,
> that would be a very useful howto.

_Installing_ it in an "extended partition" is easy enough.
geom(8) understands "extended partitions" (although sysinstall
does not, so you need to install using Fixit# as for other
non-sysinstall cases such as ZFS).

The problem is _booting_ it.  The code in i386/boot2 and
lib/libstand is written to find the / (or /boot) FS on a
BSD partition of an fdisk "primary partition" (aka slice),
or in a GPT partition, and would need additions to handle
fdisk "extended partitions".
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Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7

[doug]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011, Eduardo Morras wrote:


At 16:36 24/06/2011, d...@safeport.com wrote:
Well for me it all worked well for all versions of FreeBSD until Windows 7. 
My main purpose was to document the link given to me by a friend who does 
user support for a local college. Before Vista the boot process was pretty 
simple, the MBR was one sector on sector 0, track 0 and it read the first 
sector of the target partition who took it from there.


My experience with FreeBSD 7.0 to present has been that the install does 
not work with Windows 7. It appears that the MBR can still only have 4 
entries. Windows 7 gets more by using extended partitions. Dell, the there 
can be only one and let it be Windows company, uses two small partitions 
for something. It may be that some of that underlying stuff is not needed 
but I had enough trouble without without making changes at that level.


In Vista the way that Windows start changed. The MBR points to a file inside 
the Windows partition that have the partition scheme. It's called BCD. You 
can install EasyBCD in windows (it's freeware with commercial licence) that 
permits you to start Windows and other OS inside other partitions. I use it 
in my trial? Win7/FreeBSD8.2/OpenBSD4.9 server and dual Win7/FreeBSD8.2 
laptop.


http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1

If FreeBSD can be installed in an extended partition, that would be a very 
useful howto.


Don't know about it, perhaps using easybcd you can do that


Perhaps but I could not get FreeBSD in an extended partition. I am using easyBCD 
to do the dual boot. In doing what I did I never distrubed the boot records in 
the partitions. Once I got the MBR and the windows 7 second level boot code 
restored, it all worked as advertised. The trick as outlined in the link to to 
run the process 3 times booting after each time.


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Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7

[Eduardo Morras]

At 16:36 24/06/2011, d...@safeport.com wrote:
Well for me it all worked well for all versions of FreeBSD until 
Windows 7. My main purpose was to document the link given to me by a 
friend who does user support for a local college. Before Vista the 
boot process was pretty simple, the MBR was one sector on sector 0, 
track 0 and it read the first sector of the target partition who 
took it from there.


My experience with FreeBSD 7.0 to present has been that the install 
does not work with Windows 7. It appears that the MBR can still only 
have 4 entries. Windows 7 gets more by using extended partitions. 
Dell, the there can be only one and let it be Windows company, uses 
two small partitions for something. It may be that some of that 
underlying stuff is not needed but I had enough trouble without 
without making changes at that level.


In Vista the way that Windows start changed. The MBR points to a file 
inside the Windows partition that have the partition scheme. It's 
called BCD. You can install EasyBCD in windows (it's freeware with 
commercial licence) that permits you to start Windows and other OS 
inside other partitions. I use it in my trial? 
Win7/FreeBSD8.2/OpenBSD4.9 server and dual Win7/FreeBSD8.2 laptop.


http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1

If FreeBSD can be installed in an extended partition, that would be 
a very useful howto.


Don't know about it, perhaps using easybcd you can do that

HTH 



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Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7

[doug]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011, Eduardo Morras wrote:


At 09:08 24/06/2011, you wrote:

On 24 Jun 2011, at 06:24, d...@safeport.com wrote:

> I installed 8.2 from the DVD ISO. This install overwrote the MBR even 
though I selected not to write a boot record. Using the repair disk and/or 
bootrec does not work.

>
> The answer is found in 
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/105541-startup-repair-run-3-separate-times.html.

>
> Basically you use diskpart to make sure that only the windows partition 
is marked active and then run the Startup Repair process 3 times. This is 
the only option that worked for me.


I can swear you chose to install a blank (empty) mbr as opposed to leaving 
the current one untouched.


No, i had the same problem on my laptop. It's a known issue in sysinstall 
since 6.x version that on some systems, no matter what you select, it always 
erase the mbr.


For doug, you can use Hiren's Boot to start Windows. In fact, you can use it 
as a hidden partition system, without it, it won't startup.


Well for me it all worked well for all versions of FreeBSD until Windows 7. My 
main purpose was to document the link given to me by a friend who does user 
support for a local college. Before Vista the boot process was pretty simple, 
the MBR was one sector on sector 0, track 0 and it read the first sector of the 
target partition who took it from there.


My experience with FreeBSD 7.0 to present has been that the install does not 
work with Windows 7. It appears that the MBR can still only have 4 entries. 
Windows 7 gets more by using extended partitions. Dell, the there can be only 
one and let it be Windows company, uses two small partitions for something. It 
may be that some of that underlying stuff is not needed but I had enough trouble 
without without making changes at that level.


If FreeBSD can be installed in an extended partition, that would be a very 
useful howto.


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Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7

[Eduardo Morras]

At 09:08 24/06/2011, you wrote:

On 24 Jun 2011, at 06:24, d...@safeport.com wrote:

> I installed 8.2 from the DVD ISO. This install overwrote the MBR 
even though I selected not to write a boot record. Using the repair 
disk and/or bootrec does not work.

>
> The answer is found in 
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/105541-startup-repair-run-3-separate-times.html.

>
> Basically you use diskpart to make sure that only the windows 
partition is marked active and then run the Startup Repair process 
3 times. This is the only option that worked for me.


I can swear you chose to install a blank (empty) mbr as opposed to 
leaving the current one untouched.


No, i had the same problem on my laptop. It's a known issue in 
sysinstall since 6.x version that on some systems, no matter what you 
select, it always erase the mbr.


For doug, you can use Hiren's Boot to start Windows. In fact, you can 
use it as a hidden partition system, without it, it won't startup.


HTH 



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Re: Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7

[Damien Fleuriot]

On 24 Jun 2011, at 06:24, d...@safeport.com wrote:

> I installed 8.2 from the DVD ISO. This install overwrote the MBR even though 
> I selected not to write a boot record. Using the repair disk and/or bootrec 
> does not work.
> 
> The answer is found in 
> http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/105541-startup-repair-run-3-separate-times.html.
> 
> Basically you use diskpart to make sure that only the windows partition is 
> marked active and then run the Startup Repair process 3 times. This is the 
> only option that worked for me.
> 
> 
> 
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I can swear you chose to install a blank (empty) mbr as opposed to leaving the 
current one untouched.

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Dual Boot 8.2 and Windows 7

[doug]

I installed 8.2 from the DVD ISO. This install overwrote the MBR even though I 
selected not to write a boot record. Using the repair disk and/or bootrec does 
not work.


The answer is found in 
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/105541-startup-repair-run-3-separate-times.html.


Basically you use diskpart to make sure that only the windows partition is 
marked active and then run the Startup Repair process 3 times. This is the only 
option that worked for me.




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Re: New installation of FreeBSD with Debian dual boot

[LoH]

1) The partition editor is a fdisk variant and very flexible. You 
shouldn't have any problems.


2) I believe that FreeBSD will support NTFS read, but write support is 
(as always) flaky. The last time I had a FreeAgent drive (1TB) attached 
to my box, I was running ntfs-3g through FUSE (google both of those). 
That seemed to work, but I ran into data corruption later--the drive was 
being used as storage for a small-scale file server. After rescuing all 
the data I could, I reformatted the drive as UFS and just left it 
attached with no problems. Later, when I rebuilt the machine, I broke 
the casing apart and made the drive internal and started using ZFS instead.


Otherwise, the drive should just show up and you can mount it.

3) According to 
(http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/mount-debian-partition-from-freebsd-386801/), 
installing *e2fsprogs* from ports should let you just mount the 
partitions from the other OS.


Good luck.
--Joe


AG wrote:

Hello all

I'm looking to install FreeBSD 8.0 on my system today, where it would 
dual boot with Debian.  I have the *.iso all ready to go, so just 
wanted to check a couple of points before I log out of Debian and boot 
into the DVD to install.  Perhaps some veterans can advise me on the 
following:



(1) The Debian is the only OS on my system, so I will have to resize 
the partitions (I currently have /,  swap, and /home).  I am assuming 
that (after backing up) there shouldn't be any problems in doing so, 
but is the partition editor (i.e. the tools that one uses to allocate 
partition space) reasonably sane and plays nicely with a GNU/Linux 
distro?


(2) I use a Seagate FreeAgent USB drive to hold media files and back 
ups.  With Debian I had to edit some rules and install a driver for 
this.  What's the situation like under FreeBSD for supporting these 
kinds of external (NTFS) drives?


(3) If I wanted to share files between Debian and FreeBSD, aside from 
using a data stick are there any ways that I can access my Debian 
drive from FreeBSD and vice versa?


(4) I do intend to use the installation handbook, accessed via a 
different computer, while I install.  Are there any gotchas in FreeBSD 
8.0 (for i386 architectures) that aren't covered in the handbook?


Many thanks.  I hope that next time I contact this list it will be 
from my FreeBSD desktop.


Cheers

AG
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Re: New installation of FreeBSD with Debian dual boot

[Matthew Seaman]

AG wrote:

Hello all

I'm looking to install FreeBSD 8.0 on my system today, where it would 
dual boot with Debian.  I have the *.iso all ready to go, so just wanted 
to check a couple of points before I log out of Debian and boot into the 
DVD to install.  Perhaps some veterans can advise me on the following:



(1) The Debian is the only OS on my system, so I will have to resize the 
partitions (I currently have /,  swap, and /home).  I am assuming that 
(after backing up) there shouldn't be any problems in doing so, but is 
the partition editor (i.e. the tools that one uses to allocate partition 
space) reasonably sane and plays nicely with a GNU/Linux distro?


Sure.  The FreeBSD partition type in fdisk is 165 IIRC.  Linux uses partitions
from the MBR pretty much directly, but FreeBSD expects to have one big chunk
of space (known in FreeBSD-speak as a *slice*) within which you create OS-level
partitions.  Thus for SATA drives, Linux's /dev/hda1 (1st partition on the 
master drive (hda) on the first SATA bus) would be known to FreeBSD as /dev/ad0s1

(slice one on the first drive (ad0)).  If that slice contained a FreeBSD 
install,
then it would be sub divided into partitions /dev/ad0s1a [traditionally the root
fs], /dev/ad0s1b [swap], /dev/ad0s1c [a legacy thing -- a partition covering the
whole of s1, not generally used for anything much nowadays] and /dev/ad0s1[d-z]
[data partitions or whatever you will].

The FreeBSD installer can only install into a primary partition and (I think)
FreeBSD can only boot from a 1ary partition, but otherwise it is possible to
access logical partitions. 


Note that this is assuming you use the defaults available through the Sysinstall
program on the FreeBSD installation media.  There are a number of new 
partitioning
schemes / disk management systems now available (gpart, ZFS) and also new disk
drivers (ada(4), ahci(4)) but these are not yet possible to set up through the
Sysinstall program and require things like booting off removable media and then
hacking around with the command line inside a chroot to get going.  (Probably
not something you should attempt on your first install).

FreeBSD has support for Linux ext3 filesystems, except it doesn't do 
journalling.
It's probably good enough for passing files between OS images though.  Failing 
that,
you can use the MS-DOS derived FAT-32 filesystem as the lowest common 
denominator.

Another trick is to fire up one of the OSes in a VM hosted on the other OS, and 
set
up network shares or the like between the two.

(2) I use a Seagate FreeAgent USB drive to hold media files and back 
ups.  With Debian I had to edit some rules and install a driver for 
this.  What's the situation like under FreeBSD for supporting these 
kinds of external (NTFS) drives?


It should just work -- appropriate drivers will be autoloaded when you plug
the device in.  The OS should find any disk partitions on the device, but you'll
still have to set up something to mount the filesystems.  I think this can be 
done
automatically by suitable use of amd(8), but you'll have to google for the
details.

(3) If I wanted to share files between Debian and FreeBSD, aside from 
using a data stick are there any ways that I can access my Debian drive 
from FreeBSD and vice versa?


Oh, many weird and arcane ways, but I've already described most of the practical
ones.

(4) I do intend to use the installation handbook, accessed via a 
different computer, while I install.  Are there any gotchas in FreeBSD 
8.0 (for i386 architectures) that aren't covered in the handbook?


The Handbook is really very good.  Of course,there are always problematic
bits of hardware: laptops are often a bit tricky to install correctly and hard
to get all the hardware working right, but desktops and servers are a lot more forgiving and will either work straight away, require you to tweak some BIOS 
settings / update your BIOS / turn off ACPI and then work fine or else basically

some critical device won't be supported and the whole thing will be a 
non-starter.

It's generally best with FreeBSD to aim to get the OS installed and booted up
with minimal extras at first, then work from within the OS to install X, 
desktop environments, applications, setup user accounts etc.  This will require 
a
reasonable degree of competence with the Unix CLI, and you'll need to read up
on such things as the ports, csup(1), portsnap(8), freebsd-update(8), 
pkg_add(1),
pkg_info(1), portupgrade(1) or portmaster(8) all of which are covered in the
Handbook pretty well.

Cheers,

Matthew

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New installation of FreeBSD with Debian dual boot

[AG]

Hello all

I'm looking to install FreeBSD 8.0 on my system today, where it would 
dual boot with Debian.  I have the *.iso all ready to go, so just wanted 
to check a couple of points before I log out of Debian and boot into the 
DVD to install.  Perhaps some veterans can advise me on the following:



(1) The Debian is the only OS on my system, so I will have to resize the 
partitions (I currently have /,  swap, and /home).  I am assuming that 
(after backing up) there shouldn't be any problems in doing so, but is 
the partition editor (i.e. the tools that one uses to allocate partition 
space) reasonably sane and plays nicely with a GNU/Linux distro?


(2) I use a Seagate FreeAgent USB drive to hold media files and back 
ups.  With Debian I had to edit some rules and install a driver for 
this.  What's the situation like under FreeBSD for supporting these 
kinds of external (NTFS) drives?


(3) If I wanted to share files between Debian and FreeBSD, aside from 
using a data stick are there any ways that I can access my Debian drive 
from FreeBSD and vice versa?


(4) I do intend to use the installation handbook, accessed via a 
different computer, while I install.  Are there any gotchas in FreeBSD 
8.0 (for i386 architectures) that aren't covered in the handbook?


Many thanks.  I hope that next time I contact this list it will be from 
my FreeBSD desktop.


Cheers

AG
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Re: win 7 dual boot

[jhell]

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:11, aryeh.friedman@ wrote:
I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... when 
I installed vista I had to  do some  boot manager tricks (both before and 
after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use 
EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's "magic" 
bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues and/or 
any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting?


Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista 
partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or 
/etc/fstab  after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g instead of 
via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on RC2 
right now}]?

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You could attempt some trickery with grub if you have the option of 
using it and if you are installing Win/7 to its own drive. Here is the 
specs.


Install FreeBSD on your first drive ;) the way it should be...

Install GRUB from ports or packages whatever you prefer.

Edit your menu.lst file to contain something like:
title  WINDO~7 ;)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
rootnoverify (hd1,0) (hd0,0)
chainloader +1

Now reboot into your bios and turn off your FreeBSD drive and your 
secondary drive should remain and to Windows 7 as long as it is staying 
along the same lines as Windows XP will just accept your secondary as your 
primary drive C: and just install its MBR to that drive.


After your done reboot into your BIOS turn your FreeBSD drive back on.

Tada! you now have a bootable system where grub swaps your drives around 
for you and confuses Windows 7 into thinking its the primary C: drive and 
you can upgrade without touching the first disks MBR.


I have this setup running on the machine I am writing this email from and 
for fail-over sake if my FreeBSD disk takes a hike windows will pick right 
back up without even noticing the first disk being gone. I have also 
disabled my FreeBSD disk in windows devices just to be sure that nothing 
happens to it as a cause of windows.


Anyway... Hope this gives you just another option to consider.

Best of luck.

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Re: win 7 dual boot

[Mario Lobo]

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 23:11:15 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista
> partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or
> /etc/fstab  after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g
> instead of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems
> {I am on RC2 right now}]?

I have FreeBSD papi 8.0-RC1 and fusefs works perfectly via mount & fstab.

Did you replace the original mount_ntfs with ntfs-3g like bellow?

cd /sbin
mv -f mount_ntfs mount_ntfs-kern
ln -s /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g mount_ntfs


After that, any call to mount_ntfs will grant RW to the disk.


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Re: win 7 dual boot

[Jerry McAllister]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:16:27PM -0400, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

> Jack L. wrote:
> >I was able to dual boot win7 and freebsd 8 without any problem, just
> >installed windows first and installed freebsd with the freebsd boot
> >manager and it said F1 windows and the rest are FreeBSD
> >  
> 
> I am attempting to avoid having to reinstall the fb side of things ;-)

Sure.  Then, probably doing as you said - install the Win7 and let it
do its thing and then reinstall the FreeBSD MBR.  You should probably
be able to use the "Fixit" CD boot for that.   I don't know EasyBCD,
but if it worked before, it will probably work with this too.
I don't think anything much has changed in that area.

jerry
  


> >On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman
> > wrote:
> >  
> >>I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... 
> >>when
> >>I installed vista I had to  do some  boot manager tricks (both before and
> >>after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use
> >>EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's 
> >>"magic"
> >>bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues 
> >>and/or
> >>any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting?
> >>
> >>Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista
> >>partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or
> >>/etc/fstab  after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g instead
> >>of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on 
> >>RC2
> >>right now}]?
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Re: win 7 dual boot

[Bruce Cran]

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:11:15 -0400
"Aryeh M. Friedman"  wrote:

> I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista
> partition... when I installed vista I had to  do some  boot manager
> tricks (both before and after install)... namely I had to allow
> windows to nuke my mbr then use EasyBCD to remake it in such a way
> that vista would still find it's "magic" bytes in the mbr... does
> anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues and/or any other
> weirdness in reguards to dual booting?

EasyBCD still works, but you'll need to register on the site and
download the beta of 2.0 from the forums - the 1.x version won't work.

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Re: win 7 dual boot

[Jack L.]

I was able to dual boot win7 and freebsd 8 without any problem, just
installed windows first and installed freebsd with the freebsd boot
manager and it said F1 windows and the rest are FreeBSD

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman
 wrote:
> I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... when
> I installed vista I had to  do some  boot manager tricks (both before and
> after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use
> EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's "magic"
> bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues and/or
> any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting?
>
> Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista
> partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or
> /etc/fstab  after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g instead
> of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on RC2
> right now}]?
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Re: win 7 dual boot

[Jack L.]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman
 wrote:
> Jack L. wrote:
>>
>> I was able to dual boot win7 and freebsd 8 without any problem, just
>> installed windows first and installed freebsd with the freebsd boot
>> manager and it said F1 windows and the rest are FreeBSD
>>
>
> I am attempting to avoid having to reinstall the fb side of things ;-)
>>
Oh, then you can just boot up the freebsd cd and then just install the
freebsd boot manager after installing windows 7.

>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition...
>>> when
>>> I installed vista I had to  do some  boot manager tricks (both before and
>>> after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use
>>> EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's
>>> "magic"
>>> bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues
>>> and/or
>>> any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting?
>>>
>>> Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista
>>> partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or
>>> /etc/fstab  after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g
>>> instead
>>> of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on
>>> RC2
>>> right now}]?
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Re: win 7 dual boot

[Aryeh M. Friedman]

Jack L. wrote:

I was able to dual boot win7 and freebsd 8 without any problem, just
installed windows first and installed freebsd with the freebsd boot
manager and it said F1 windows and the rest are FreeBSD
  


I am attempting to avoid having to reinstall the fb side of things ;-)

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman
 wrote:
  

I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... when
I installed vista I had to  do some  boot manager tricks (both before and
after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use
EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's "magic"
bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues and/or
any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting?

Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista
partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or
/etc/fstab  after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g instead
of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on RC2
right now}]?
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win 7 dual boot

[Aryeh M. Friedman]

I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... 
when I installed vista I had to  do some  boot manager tricks (both 
before and after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my 
mbr then use EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still 
find it's "magic" bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any 
similar issues and/or any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting?


Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista 
partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or 
/etc/fstab  after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g 
instead of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems 
{I am on RC2 right now}]?

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Re: FreeBSD7.2 + Debian testing ("Squeeze") dual boot

[Sam Fourman Jr.]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 2:35 PM, AG wrote:
> Hello all
>
> I've been tempted for quite some years now to try FreeBSD, so I am wanting
> to dual-boot the most up-to-date version (which I *think* is 7.2?) with
> Debian (cn: Squeeze) on an AMD Sempron Dual Core 2300 sata machine, with a
> Debian configuration on /home.
>
> This is a project that I am going to be playing with over the next few
> months, so know that I have lots of reading to do, and the calibre of
> FreeBSD docs looks impressive.  Kudos.  At this point, I'm just wanting to
> do a bit of straw poll about these systems playing together, especially
> around the UID on /home/* and whether that poses a problem accessing the
> same files from different OSs?  Just interested in general thoughts and
> opinions, if people are cool with that.
>
> Thanks
>
> Anton

you should know that if you are looking to play 3D games, and have a
nvidia graphics card
there is no 3d support for amd64 you will have to run i386.

this limitation on amd64 is being worked on by nvidia with the help of
John baldwin.

Sam Fourman Jr.
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Re: FreeBSD7.2 + Debian testing ("Squeeze") dual boot

[Carl Johnson]

AG  writes:

> I've been tempted for quite some years now to try FreeBSD, so I am
> wanting to dual-boot the most up-to-date version (which I *think* is
> 7.2?) with Debian (cn: Squeeze) on an AMD Sempron Dual Core 2300 sata
> machine, with a Debian configuration on /home.
>
> This is a project that I am going to be playing with over the next few
> months, so know that I have lots of reading to do, and the calibre of
> FreeBSD docs looks impressive.  Kudos.  At this point, I'm just
> wanting to do a bit of straw poll about these systems playing
> together, especially around the UID on /home/* and whether that poses
> a problem accessing the same files from different OSs?  Just
> interested in general thoughts and opinions, if people are cool with
> that.

There are other options for experimenting with.  I am currently
running Debian Lenny with FreeBSD 7.1 running in VirtualBox.  That
works well for ssh, and the virtual display will run X11 pretty well.
The display for X is not accelerated, but that works well enough
unless you want to run games or 3D.  I probably have a slower system
than you do (Athlon 64 3000), so the speed should be fine for you.
The memory requirements seems less than for Debian, so I am running
KDE for FreeBSD in a VirtualBox machine with 350MB and it works well.

The UIDs are not the same (500? for FreeBSD and 1000 for Debian), but
I just did a find/chown to change the UID for my login to allow
ssh/scp to work properly.  The next release (8.0) is supposed to
support Xen, so I am planning to try that when it comes out
(Aug-Sept?).
-- 
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Re: FreeBSD7.2 + Debian testing ("Squeeze") dual boot

[Jerry McAllister]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 08:35:27PM +0100, AG wrote:

> Hello all
> 
> I've been tempted for quite some years now to try FreeBSD, so I am 
> wanting to dual-boot the most up-to-date version (which I *think* is 
> 7.2?) with Debian (cn: Squeeze) on an AMD Sempron Dual Core 2300 sata 
> machine, with a Debian configuration on /home.
> 
> This is a project that I am going to be playing with over the next few 
> months, so know that I have lots of reading to do, and the calibre of 
> FreeBSD docs looks impressive.  Kudos.  At this point, I'm just wanting 
> to do a bit of straw poll about these systems playing together, 
> especially around the UID on /home/* and whether that poses a problem 
> accessing the same files from different OSs?  Just interested in general 
> thoughts and opinions, if people are cool with that.

I am not quite sure what you mean here.   But, you would create
a completely different slice to install the FreeBSD and it would
have a completely different set of device names.   How you mount
then - as /home, /usr, /, /var, /tmp for example doesn't matter.
If you mounted a partition from the Debian slice as /home, it would
be just that, the Debian device mounted as /home in FreeBSD.

I would not recommend you trying to use that as the place to
put users' base login directories (home directories) on FreeBSD,
though it might be possible.  Instead, create a /home in the
FreeBSD slice - it could just be a directory under one large / (root)
or be its own partition and use it for FreeBSD login dirs.
Then figure out how to mount the Debian partition on its own
mount point - something like  /dhome  and access it separately.
How well you can mount and access that device will depend on
what type of device it was created as when Debian was built.

jerry

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Anton
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FreeBSD7.2 + Debian testing ("Squeeze") dual boot

[AG]

Hello all

I've been tempted for quite some years now to try FreeBSD, so I am 
wanting to dual-boot the most up-to-date version (which I *think* is 
7.2?) with Debian (cn: Squeeze) on an AMD Sempron Dual Core 2300 sata 
machine, with a Debian configuration on /home.


This is a project that I am going to be playing with over the next few 
months, so know that I have lots of reading to do, and the calibre of 
FreeBSD docs looks impressive.  Kudos.  At this point, I'm just wanting 
to do a bit of straw poll about these systems playing together, 
especially around the UID on /home/* and whether that poses a problem 
accessing the same files from different OSs?  Just interested in general 
thoughts and opinions, if people are cool with that.


Thanks

Anton
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Re: boot0 / LILO / GRUB: dual boot FreeBSD and Linux

[Daniel Underwood]

Thanks, this is great!
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Re: boot0 / LILO / GRUB: dual boot FreeBSD and Linux

[Nerius Landys]

> I'm getting a new desktop through my university which will come
> installed with Windows Vista.  Obviously, my first action item will be
> removing Vista and installing a reasonable OS.  Due to the need to be
> up-and-running immediately with an OS that I'm comfortable with, I'll
> be installing Linux (probably Ubuntu).  But I'd like to set-up FreeBSD
> also.
>
> Which of the boot managers do you suggest I use?  Which OS should I
> install first?  Since I've never set-up a FreeBSD/Linux dual-boot
> system, I don't know what, if any, pitfalls to avoid.  I'm hoping some
> of you will have experience I can learn from.  Any relevant advice
> would be greatly appreciated.
>

Hi, I'm primarily an Ubuntu Linux user, but I've experimented with
FreeBSD desktops and servers quite a bit (servers especially).  One
thing I found to be really cool is the FreeBSD boot manager.  I would
strongly recommend using the FreeBSD boot manager because it's
completely standalone; it does not depend on any files or data sitting
in your partitions.  The boot manager sits within the first 512 bytes
of your hard drive (the MBR) and it does not need any other data to
function.  The way it works is simple.  Well first a disclaimer.  What
I describe here, I'm pretty confident that I know what I'm talking
about, but there is a chance that my knowledge is wrong.  In that case
please correct me, someone.

The FreeBSD boot manager (I don't know the official name for it off
the top of my head), when run, looks at the partitions on the hard
drive.  It then presents a menu, where you press a function key to
select which partition to boot.  It basically delegates the booting to
the boot record on the partition of your choice.

The way to set this up is as follows.  Well, I'm sure it's possible to
install FreeBSD first and then Linux, but I will describe it the other
way.

First install Linux normally (well leaving space on your hard drive
for a FreeBSD partition, which needs to be primary and not extended).
After you install Linux, boot up and do some magic where you install
the boot manager (such as Grub or Lilo) onto the boot record of the
Linux parttion.  Normally the boot manager for Linux will be installed
in the MBR, but put it on the partition's boot sector as well.

Now install FreeBSD.  Install the FreeBSD boot manager.  It will not
touch the Linux partition at all, the FreeBSD install will only write
to the FreeBSD partition and to the MBR.

I would not recommend using Grub as a boot manager (for the MBR)
because it depends on files sitting on your Linux partition as far as
I know.  So when you wipe your Linux partition for some reason you
won't be able to boot any more.  Same goes for Lilo I think.  The
FreeBSD boot manager does not depend on any data outside of the MBR,
so it will continue working properly after you wipe a partition clean.

See here: 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html
It appears that the boot manager is called boot0.

If you ever want to back up your MBR for some reason, which includes
the partition table and the boot program, you can do something like
this:

dd if=/dev/hda of=my-mbr-saved-file bs=512 count=1

where "/dev/hda" would be changed depending on OS and hard disk
configuration.  Then you can restore the MBR:

dd if=my-mbr-saved-file of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1

But restoring should be done with extreme caution because it will
rewrite your partition table and could lead to lost data because of
that.

I have installed the FreeBSD boot manager by using dd after combining
the 446-byte long program with an existing partition table
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boot0 / LILO / GRUB: dual boot FreeBSD and Linux

[Daniel Underwood]

I'm getting a new desktop through my university which will come
installed with Windows Vista.  Obviously, my first action item will be
removing Vista and installing a reasonable OS.  Due to the need to be
up-and-running immediately with an OS that I'm comfortable with, I'll
be installing Linux (probably Ubuntu).  But I'd like to set-up FreeBSD
also.

Which of the boot managers do you suggest I use?  Which OS should I
install first?  Since I've never set-up a FreeBSD/Linux dual-boot
system, I don't know what, if any, pitfalls to avoid.  I'm hoping some
of you will have experience I can learn from.  Any relevant advice
would be greatly appreciated.

TIA,
Daniel
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Re: 7.2 Release kills my XP Dual Boot

[Michael Powell]

Kent Hauser wrote:

> Sorry I was less than clear.
> 
> I've been running XP + FreeBSD dual boot forever. After installing 7.2
> (rebuilding from source), the XP partition wouldn't boot. When I selected
> "F1" at the boot menu, the system just hung.
> 
> I booted from an old 6.2 install disk I had around & selected
> "Custom/Partition" & used the hidden "W" command to write the partition
> information & boot manager. I could then dual-boot XP / FreeBSD 7.2.
> 
> For fun, I tried "Custom/Partiion/Write" from the 7.2 DVD & it hung just
> like the rebuild from source. Fixed again with 6.2 disk.
> 
> My conclusion is that 7.2 (or 7.1 -- I moved from 7.0) broke dual boot.
> 
> Any other thoughts?
> 

Probably code has changed in the boot loader. You may consider searching the 
PR bug reports for related boot troubles, and if you locate something which 
is either close or matches your situation add your experience to the PR. 
Sometimes these turn out to be edge cases with which the devs have not 
seen/experienced themselves so they need to hear it from users who do.

-Mike




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Re: 7.2 Release kills my XP Dual Boot

[Kent Hauser]

Sorry I was less than clear.

I've been running XP + FreeBSD dual boot forever. After installing 7.2
(rebuilding from source), the XP partition wouldn't boot. When I selected
"F1" at the boot menu, the system just hung.

I booted from an old 6.2 install disk I had around & selected
"Custom/Partition" & used the hidden "W" command to write the partition
information & boot manager. I could then dual-boot XP / FreeBSD 7.2.

For fun, I tried "Custom/Partiion/Write" from the 7.2 DVD & it hung just
like the rebuild from source. Fixed again with 6.2 disk.

My conclusion is that 7.2 (or 7.1 -- I moved from 7.0) broke dual boot.

Any other thoughts?

Kent

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Glen Barber wrote:

> Hi, Kent
>
> You're going to need to provide a bit more detail on the problem.
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:14 PM, KENT HAUSER  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there any resolution to this? I had the same problem upgrading from
> 7.0
> > -> 7.2. I've been running FreeBSD dual-boot for over 10 years w/o this
> > problem in the past.
> >
> > I re-ran my fdisk script from an old 6.x boot disk & recovered the XP
> > partitions, but can't boot 7.2. Re-installing 7.2 kills XP.
> >
>
> XP doesn't show up in the bootloader?
>
> If you're running 7.X, why are you using a 6.X boot disk?  That may be
> part of the problem.
>
> > My system disk has 3 partitions: ad0s2 is first (XP recovery). Next is
> ad0s1
> > (XP) followed by FreeBSD.
> >
>
> Do you see the FreeBSD booloader or Windows bootloader?
>
> Not that this fixes the problem, but have you tried installing GRUB?
>
> I personally have been dual-booting for the past year+, and haven't
> seen what you're describing (unless I overwrote my ${OTHER_OS}
> installation) -- are you sure the Windows install still exists?
>
> --
> Glen Barber
>
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Re: 7.2 Release kills my XP Dual Boot

[Graham Bentley]

Is there any resolution to this? I had the same problem upgrading from
7.0 -> 7.2. I've been running FreeBSD dual-boot for over 10 years w/o
this problem in the past.

I re-ran my fdisk script from an old 6.x boot disk & recovered the XP
partitions, but can't boot 7.2. Re-installing 7.2 kills XP.

My system disk has 3 partitions: ad0s2 is first (XP recovery). Next is
ad0s1 (XP) followed by FreeBSD.

Thanks for any input.


Kent,

I tried for two days every recovery tool I could lay my hands
on both open source and proprietary I still could not recover
my mangled - well, whatever  bootsec / mbr / partable

In could even do an XP repair, fixmbr, fixboot and almost
every disc checker said there was no issues with the sata disc.

I have P1[XP-NTFS], EXT1[NTFS], P2[3BSD]

I ended up doing a re-install of everything. I then took
an image of my boot sector / mbr and partables and
held on to my plumbs whilst trying to install 7.2 a second
time (I dont like to be defeated!)

This time, no probs although I have noticed BTX labled
the EXT1 as ? and not DOS as it used to.

Currently I cant get £ signs at the console or X but thats
another 7.2 story. I only have limited time and may well go
back to Slitaz !!!

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Re: 7.2 Release kills my XP Dual Boot

[Glen Barber]

Hi, Kent

You're going to need to provide a bit more detail on the problem.

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:14 PM, KENT HAUSER  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there any resolution to this? I had the same problem upgrading from 7.0
> -> 7.2. I've been running FreeBSD dual-boot for over 10 years w/o this
> problem in the past.
>
> I re-ran my fdisk script from an old 6.x boot disk & recovered the XP
> partitions, but can't boot 7.2. Re-installing 7.2 kills XP.
>

XP doesn't show up in the bootloader?

If you're running 7.X, why are you using a 6.X boot disk?  That may be
part of the problem.

> My system disk has 3 partitions: ad0s2 is first (XP recovery). Next is ad0s1
> (XP) followed by FreeBSD.
>

Do you see the FreeBSD booloader or Windows bootloader?

Not that this fixes the problem, but have you tried installing GRUB?

I personally have been dual-booting for the past year+, and haven't
seen what you're describing (unless I overwrote my ${OTHER_OS}
installation) -- are you sure the Windows install still exists?

-- 
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7.2 Release kills my XP Dual Boot

[KENT HAUSER]

Hi,

Is there any resolution to this? I had the same problem upgrading from  
7.0 -> 7.2. I've been running FreeBSD dual-boot for over 10 years w/o  
this problem in the past.


I re-ran my fdisk script from an old 6.x boot disk & recovered the XP  
partitions, but can't boot 7.2. Re-installing 7.2 kills XP.


My system disk has 3 partitions: ad0s2 is first (XP recovery). Next is  
ad0s1 (XP) followed by FreeBSD.


Thanks for any input.
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Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Wednesday, May 27, 2009 a las 02:57:10PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió:

> >Concerning EasyBCD, it tries always in unattended mode to boot the damn
> >Vista and not the other FreeBSD partition which I have i 1st place in
> >the boot menu, i.e. if you just switch on the laptop and go for coffee,
> >you will find it Vista booted. :-(
> >  
> 
> There is an option in EasyBCD concerning the default entry to boot. I 
> would tell you the exact location, but due to recent developments 
> (VirtualBox running on FreeBSD) I completely wiped Vista from my laptop 
> ;) I am sure you will find it though.

Ofc, there was this option; thx

> >Is there no way to use the normal FreeBSD boot manager to switch between
> >the partitions to boot?
> >
> >
> >  
> 
> This used to be the case up until XP. Vista's boot loader is very fussy 
> though, and it usually breaks if you do that. For peace of mind I'd 
> recommend against it. Another solution would probably be to not use the 
> boot manger at all but use disk management in Vista and fdisk in FreeBSD 
> to set the active partition each time you need to change. I haven't 
> tried this, but it should work.

well I can now live with the change and it boots FreeBSD by default (I'm
just closing my eyes some seconds after power-on to not have to see the word
Vista :-)) 

I will erase later the Vista in any case.

matthias
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Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

[Manolis Kiagias]

Matthias Apitz wrote:

El día Wednesday, May 06, 2009 a las 01:26:50PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió:

  

Matthias Apitz wrote:


Hello,

Maybe a bit off-topic (sorry for this). I've got a fresh Dell M4400
laptop with 250 GByte, pre-installed Vista on it. Is there a way to
reduce the Vista to let's say 50 GByte and install FreeBSD -CURRENT
in the remaining 200 GByte, just to have the Vista later for some
investigations, or whatever? Thx

If not I will scratch the Vista, install FreeBSD and later in the rest
of 50 GByte the Vista again.

matthias
 
  
Sure, You can even reduce Vista's partition from Control Panel -> 
Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Disk Management.  Right 
click on the partition and select to shrink. The amount that it will 
allow you to shrink will vary (probably depends on the fragmentation) 
but I guess you will be able to get 50G on a 200G disk. Then install 
FreeBSD as usual, but do not allow it to install any boot manager (it 
will mess with Vista's BCD system). After installing, use EasyBCD (free 
download) within Vista to add FreeBSD to the boot menu.



Meanwhile I'm running CURRENT in the 200 GByte and I'm nearly happy with
all. I'm still waiting for the Atheros miniPCI Wifi to replace the
unsupported Intel one with an Atheros AR5BXB6(AR5424). All other stuff
is working fine now. Even the high-res display of 1920x1200 is now
supported in the xf86-video-nv driver.

Concerning EasyBCD, it tries always in unattended mode to boot the damn
Vista and not the other FreeBSD partition which I have i 1st place in
the boot menu, i.e. if you just switch on the laptop and go for coffee,
you will find it Vista booted. :-(
  


There is an option in EasyBCD concerning the default entry to boot. I 
would tell you the exact location, but due to recent developments 
(VirtualBox running on FreeBSD) I completely wiped Vista from my laptop 
;) I am sure you will find it though.



Is there no way to use the normal FreeBSD boot manager to switch between
the partitions to boot?


  


This used to be the case up until XP. Vista's boot loader is very fussy 
though, and it usually breaks if you do that. For peace of mind I'd 
recommend against it. Another solution would probably be to not use the 
boot manger at all but use disk management in Vista and fdisk in FreeBSD 
to set the active partition each time you need to change. I haven't 
tried this, but it should work.

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Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Wednesday, May 06, 2009 a las 01:26:50PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió:

> Matthias Apitz wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >Maybe a bit off-topic (sorry for this). I've got a fresh Dell M4400
> >laptop with 250 GByte, pre-installed Vista on it. Is there a way to
> >reduce the Vista to let's say 50 GByte and install FreeBSD -CURRENT
> >in the remaining 200 GByte, just to have the Vista later for some
> >investigations, or whatever? Thx
> >
> >If not I will scratch the Vista, install FreeBSD and later in the rest
> >of 50 GByte the Vista again.
> >
> > matthias
> >  
> Sure, You can even reduce Vista's partition from Control Panel -> 
> Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Disk Management.  Right 
> click on the partition and select to shrink. The amount that it will 
> allow you to shrink will vary (probably depends on the fragmentation) 
> but I guess you will be able to get 50G on a 200G disk. Then install 
> FreeBSD as usual, but do not allow it to install any boot manager (it 
> will mess with Vista's BCD system). After installing, use EasyBCD (free 
> download) within Vista to add FreeBSD to the boot menu.

Meanwhile I'm running CURRENT in the 200 GByte and I'm nearly happy with
all. I'm still waiting for the Atheros miniPCI Wifi to replace the
unsupported Intel one with an Atheros AR5BXB6(AR5424). All other stuff
is working fine now. Even the high-res display of 1920x1200 is now
supported in the xf86-video-nv driver.

Concerning EasyBCD, it tries always in unattended mode to boot the damn
Vista and not the other FreeBSD partition which I have i 1st place in
the boot menu, i.e. if you just switch on the laptop and go for coffee,
you will find it Vista booted. :-(

Is there no way to use the normal FreeBSD boot manager to switch between
the partitions to boot?

Thx

matthias

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7.2 Release kills my XP Dual Boot

[Graham Bentley]

Hi All,

I downloaded the DVD version of 7.2 Release and did a minimum install
as usual before customizing and for the first time in years FreeBSD
installer has done something odd to my XP boot loader (whatever is
responisble?)

I know I'm likely to be told to go to a Windows forum but wondered
if anyone else has had the same problem?

Basically I can install FreeBSD, get the BTX loader prompt and boot
FreeBSD.

If I choose F1 I get an error message which started out as something
like 'invalid operating system' (can't quite remember!) then after
running fixmbr and fixboot as well as running file system checks
with ERD I am left with a 'trap 0006 exception' error that I
cant seem to resolve.

XP 'repair' says its doing what its supposed to but makes no 
difference and Ive tried custom commands like ;

fixmbr \Device\HardDisk0
fixmbr \Device\HarddiskVolume1

to no avail. Its as if theses commands do nothing. Ive Googled an hour
and not come up with anything that helps.

I do have my stuff backed up but would like to avoid a re-install of
XP if poss. Luckily FreeBSD only takes me about 15 mins :)

Any suggestions greatly appreciated!
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Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Wednesday, May 06, 2009 a las 01:26:50PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió:

> Sure, You can even reduce Vista's partition from Control Panel -> 
> Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Disk Management.  Right 
> click on the partition and select to shrink. The amount that it will 
> allow you to shrink will vary (probably depends on the fragmentation) 
> but I guess you will be able to get 50G on a 200G disk. Then install 
> FreeBSD as usual, but do not allow it to install any boot manager (it 
> will mess with Vista's BCD system). After installing, use EasyBCD (free 
> download) within Vista to add FreeBSD to the boot menu.

Hi Manolis,

I've fetched EasyBCD and installed it in the Vista.

Just to make sure: The 180 GB partition is visible as /dev/ad8s4 to
the CURRENT booted from USB and I will just label it as:

# bsdlabel -w ad8s4 auto
# bsdlabel -B ad8s4

edit the disk label and change partition "a" from "unused" to "4.2BSD"
as partition type:

# setenv EDITOR /usr/bin/vi
# bsdlabel -e ad8s4

create the filesystem on it and mount it to /mnt for the installation:

# newfs -m 0 -o space /dev/ad8s4a
# mount /dev/ad8s4a /mnt 

and install CURRENT into /mnt:

# cd /usr/src
# make installworld  DESTDIR=/mnt
# make installkernel DESTDIR=/mnt KERNCONF=GENERIC INSTALL_NODEBUG=t
# make distrib-dirs  DESTDIR=/mnt
# make distribution  DESTDIR=/mnt

...

Any comments?
Thx

matthias

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Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Wednesday, May 06, 2009 a las 03:56:41PM +0200, Leslie Jensen escribió:

> I've done this a few times and the best procedure is to use the Parted 
> magic CD and resize the partition. The Vista shrink tool is not 
> something I would recommend. You don't have to think of defragging when 
> you use Parted Magic.

I did it with Pmagic 4.0 and Vista is now in its jail of 50 GByte and I
have around 180 GByte for FreeBSD CURRENT.

I still have to look for and install EasyBCD to be able to boot CURRENT
after the installation...

Thx

matthias

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Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

[Leslie Jensen]

Anders Troback skrev:

On Wed, 6 May 2009 14:08:27 +0200
Matthias Apitz  wrote:


El día Wednesday, May 06, 2009 a las 01:26:50PM +0300, Manolis
Kiagias escribió:

Sure, You can even reduce Vista's partition from Control Panel -> 
Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Disk Management.

Right click on the partition and select to shrink. The amount that
it will allow you to shrink will vary (probably depends on the
fragmentation) but I guess you will be able to get 50G on a 200G
disk.

I did so and was only allowed to shrink the partition to some 125
GByte. I even moved before the swap to some other partition, reserved
for of DELL recovery.
I re-booted and hoped that it let me now shrink the 125 even more,
but no luck. So, at the moment I only have around 100 GByte for
FreeBSD free, which is a lot, compared with other servers I have
here. 

Then install 
FreeBSD as usual, but do not allow it to install any boot manager

(it will mess with Vista's BCD system). After installing, use
EasyBCD (free download) within Vista to add FreeBSD to the boot
menu.

Thanks for the hint.

matthias


Before you shrink you need to defrag you partition and normally you
can't do it with the defrag tool that are built into Vista, you need
something like PerfectDisk. You can get a trial version of PerfecDisk
and you only need it once so that's not an issue:-) You have to do a
system-files-defrag-on-next-boot (don't remember the exact options
here)!

\\anders




I've done this a few times and the best procedure is to use the Parted 
magic CD and resize the partition. The Vista shrink tool is not 
something I would recommend. You don't have to think of defragging when 
you use Parted Magic.


/Leslie
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Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

[Anders Troback]

On Wed, 6 May 2009 14:08:27 +0200
Matthias Apitz  wrote:

> El día Wednesday, May 06, 2009 a las 01:26:50PM +0300, Manolis
> Kiagias escribió:
> 
> > Sure, You can even reduce Vista's partition from Control Panel -> 
> > Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Disk Management.
> > Right click on the partition and select to shrink. The amount that
> > it will allow you to shrink will vary (probably depends on the
> > fragmentation) but I guess you will be able to get 50G on a 200G
> > disk.
> 
> I did so and was only allowed to shrink the partition to some 125
> GByte. I even moved before the swap to some other partition, reserved
> for of DELL recovery.
> I re-booted and hoped that it let me now shrink the 125 even more,
> but no luck. So, at the moment I only have around 100 GByte for
> FreeBSD free, which is a lot, compared with other servers I have
> here. 
> 
> > Then install 
> > FreeBSD as usual, but do not allow it to install any boot manager
> > (it will mess with Vista's BCD system). After installing, use
> > EasyBCD (free download) within Vista to add FreeBSD to the boot
> > menu.
> 
> Thanks for the hint.
> 
>   matthias

Before you shrink you need to defrag you partition and normally you
can't do it with the defrag tool that are built into Vista, you need
something like PerfectDisk. You can get a trial version of PerfecDisk
and you only need it once so that's not an issue:-) You have to do a
system-files-defrag-on-next-boot (don't remember the exact options
here)!

\\anders

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Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Wednesday, May 06, 2009 a las 01:26:50PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió:

> Sure, You can even reduce Vista's partition from Control Panel -> 
> Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Disk Management.  Right 
> click on the partition and select to shrink. The amount that it will 
> allow you to shrink will vary (probably depends on the fragmentation) 
> but I guess you will be able to get 50G on a 200G disk.

I did so and was only allowed to shrink the partition to some 125 GByte.
I even moved before the swap to some other partition, reserved for of DELL
recovery.
I re-booted and hoped that it let me now shrink the 125 even more, but no
luck. So, at the moment I only have around 100 GByte for FreeBSD free,
which is a lot, compared with other servers I have here. 

> Then install 
> FreeBSD as usual, but do not allow it to install any boot manager (it 
> will mess with Vista's BCD system). After installing, use EasyBCD (free 
> download) within Vista to add FreeBSD to the boot menu.

Thanks for the hint.

matthias
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Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

[Manolis Kiagias]

Matthias Apitz wrote:

Hello,

Maybe a bit off-topic (sorry for this). I've got a fresh Dell M4400
laptop with 250 GByte, pre-installed Vista on it. Is there a way to
reduce the Vista to let's say 50 GByte and install FreeBSD -CURRENT
in the remaining 200 GByte, just to have the Vista later for some
investigations, or whatever? Thx

If not I will scratch the Vista, install FreeBSD and later in the rest
of 50 GByte the Vista again.

matthias
  
Sure, You can even reduce Vista's partition from Control Panel -> 
Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Disk Management.  Right 
click on the partition and select to shrink. The amount that it will 
allow you to shrink will vary (probably depends on the fragmentation) 
but I guess you will be able to get 50G on a 200G disk. Then install 
FreeBSD as usual, but do not allow it to install any boot manager (it 
will mess with Vista's BCD system). After installing, use EasyBCD (free 
download) within Vista to add FreeBSD to the boot menu.

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reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

[Matthias Apitz]

Hello,

Maybe a bit off-topic (sorry for this). I've got a fresh Dell M4400
laptop with 250 GByte, pre-installed Vista on it. Is there a way to
reduce the Vista to let's say 50 GByte and install FreeBSD -CURRENT
in the remaining 200 GByte, just to have the Vista later for some
investigations, or whatever? Thx

If not I will scratch the Vista, install FreeBSD and later in the rest
of 50 GByte the Vista again.

matthias
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Re: dual boot FreeBSD and openBSD

[Dánielisz László]

Hi,

Did you tried BSD Boot Manager?
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html


Laci




From: Saifi Khan 
To: FreeBSD Questions 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:14:11 PM
Subject: dual boot FreeBSD and openBSD

Hi all:

My apologies if this is a newbie question, however, i'm trying
to look beyond GRUB fixation.

i'd like to do a dual boot installation of FreeBSD and openBSD,
without using GRUB or LILO. 

Any suggestions on the bootloader to use ?

What would your suggestion be, if i'm trying to dual boot on
a clean (ie. no multilib) 64-bit system ?


thanks
Saifi.
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dual boot FreeBSD and openBSD

[Saifi Khan]

Hi all:

My apologies if this is a newbie question, however, i'm trying
to look beyond GRUB fixation.

i'd like to do a dual boot installation of FreeBSD and openBSD,
without using GRUB or LILO. 

Any suggestions on the bootloader to use ?

What would your suggestion be, if i'm trying to dual boot on
a clean (ie. no multilib) 64-bit system ?


thanks
Saifi.
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Re: Dual Boot FreeBSD/Windows 2003 Server

[Jerry McAllister]

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:42:31AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I am trying to setup a test server that will be able to boot either 
> FreeBSD to Windows Server 2003 R2.  I have tried to use the BSD Boot 
> manager and the Windows Boot manager.  In either case I have run into 
> problems.  When using the BSD boot manager, it will cause the Windows 
> server to crash at boot.  Windows manager will not boot to the BSD partition.
> 
> I have googled it and have not found much other than 3rd party boot 
> manager.  Is there a best practices I could follow on this?  Has anyone 
> got this combination to work?

Yes, there is.   First, please break your lines at around 70 characters 
length.   It makes it much easier to read and to respond to.   If your
editor for Email won't do it for you (most will), then just hit RETURN/ENTER
when the line gets that long.

Secondly, this was discussed at length in the last couple of days.  Please
check the archives.

Third, I have never had a problem with doing this and have built a number
of dual boot machines with various versions of MS-Win and FreeBSD and 
always used the FreeBSD boot manager.

Some questions:

 How did you lay out the disk?  Is MS-Win in the first slice (primary 
partition)?
 Are you retaining the original MS-Win install?  If so, what did you 
use to shrink it down to make room for FreeBSD?
 Did you make both a "primary partition"   You need to.
 How did you go about slicing and partitioning the FreeBSD slice.

 - MS-Win has to be the first non-hidden slice (primary partition)
 - MS-Win must be installed first and then FreeBSD or MS-Win will trash
   some things that FreeBSD sets up.   FreeBSD will not trash MS-Win, unless
   you tell it to write in the wrong place.
 - You want to write the FreeBSD MBR and have it mark the slice as bootable
   during the fdisk stage and then the boot sector during the bsdlabel stage.
 - Your root partition neess to be the first one on the slice.

For more than this, please do some searches in the archive.   I have written
extensively several times on this and so have some other people.

jerry

> 
> Thanks for your help.
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Re: Dual Boot FreeBSD/Windows 2003 Server

[Glen Barber]

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:42 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to setup a test server that will be able to boot either FreeBSD 
> to Windows Server 2003 R2.  I have tried to use the BSD Boot manager and the 
> Windows Boot manager.  In either case I have run into problems.  When using 
> the BSD boot manager, it will cause the Windows server to crash at boot.  
> Windows manager will not boot to the BSD partition.
>
> I have googled it and have not found much other than 3rd party boot manager.  
> Is there a best practices I could follow on this?  Has anyone got this 
> combination to work?
>
> Thanks for your help.

I am not aware of any bootloader changes between XP and Server 2003,
but ideally, you should install Server 2K3 first, and FreeBSD second,
using the FreeBSD Boot Manager at the boot manager selection.

I haven't tested this dual boot, but as I said, to my knowledge the
bootloader has not changed.

Could you provide us with specific details on the errors (preferably
from both instances).

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Dual Boot FreeBSD/Windows 2003 Server

[bsdnub]

I am trying to setup a test server that will be able to boot either FreeBSD to 
Windows Server 2003 R2.  I have tried to use the BSD Boot manager and the 
Windows Boot manager.  In either case I have run into problems.  When using the 
BSD boot manager, it will cause the Windows server to crash at boot.  Windows 
manager will not boot to the BSD partition.

I have googled it and have not found much other than 3rd party boot manager.  
Is there a best practices I could follow on this?  Has anyone got this 
combination to work?

Thanks for your help.
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Re: Vista Dual Boot issues - Does not start on a track boundary

[Leslie Jensen]

Tom Stuart skrev:

Hi Guys,

I'm nowhere near new on the FreeBSD front but have Never done a dual
boot with vista. Vista came pre-installed on this machine and I
created another partition using the resize function of Vista. When I'm
setting up my slices its complaining about Chunk ad0S1 does not start
on a track boundary...

Does anyone know if this is a common problem and the easiest way to
resolve this issue? I've tried going on and setting up the labels but
upon installation of packages it seems as though its having problem
doing a chroot due to the partitions not being setup correctly. I know
I could delete all slices and start out with freebsd and then install
vista but it would involve backing up approx. 150Gigs of data. I've
also done approximately 5 hours of searching archives, etc to no
avail.

I've tried everything with no success on FreeBSD7.0 Release, 7.1 beta
and 8.0 current.

Thanks,

Tom


Hi Tom

I just made a dualboot machine out of my new Laptop. I used Gparted 
because the Vista resize wouldn't give me the space I wanted.


Then I read in BSD Magazine that the Vista bootloader is a little 
different from the earlier Windows versions. The article mentioned a 
bootloader utility, "EasyBCD" http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1

Which I use.

When your installation of FreeBSD is finished, (don't install the 
bootloader) the BSD partition will be  the active partition and you will 
need to set the Vista partition active again with Gparted. Then boot 
into Vista and install the bootloader.


/Leslie

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Vista Dual Boot issues - Does not start on a track boundary

[Tom Stuart]

Hi Guys,

I'm nowhere near new on the FreeBSD front but have Never done a dual
boot with vista. Vista came pre-installed on this machine and I
created another partition using the resize function of Vista. When I'm
setting up my slices its complaining about Chunk ad0S1 does not start
on a track boundary...

Does anyone know if this is a common problem and the easiest way to
resolve this issue? I've tried going on and setting up the labels but
upon installation of packages it seems as though its having problem
doing a chroot due to the partitions not being setup correctly. I know
I could delete all slices and start out with freebsd and then install
vista but it would involve backing up approx. 150Gigs of data. I've
also done approximately 5 hours of searching archives, etc to no
avail.

I've tried everything with no success on FreeBSD7.0 Release, 7.1 beta
and 8.0 current.

Thanks,

Tom
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Re: keeping clocks synced on a dual boot machine

[Lowell Gilbert]

"Aryeh Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have a dual boot machine and if I set the Vista clock to the local
> time then no matter what I do on the fbsd side (via tzsetup) forces
> fbsd to report local time instead of GMT and vice versa (if fbsd is
> local then vista is GMT).   How can I get them to agree?

Create /etc/wall_cmos_clock, as covered in the manuals for tzsetup(8)
and adjkerntz(8).

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Re: keeping clocks synced on a dual boot machine

[Erik Trulsson]

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:12:22AM -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
> I have a dual boot machine and if I set the Vista clock to the local
> time then no matter what I do on the fbsd side (via tzsetup) forces
> fbsd to report local time instead of GMT and vice versa (if fbsd is
> local then vista is GMT).   How can I get them to agree?

By using the adjkerntz(8) utility on FreeBSD.

I think it is automatically run at startup and then should look
for the existence of the file /etc/wall_cmos_clock to determine
if the clock is running at local time or UTC.  (At least according
to the manpage.)



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I have a dual boot machine and if I set the Vista clock to the local
time then no matter what I do on the fbsd side (via tzsetup) forces
fbsd to report local time instead of GMT and vice versa (if fbsd is
local then vista is GMT).   How can I get them to agree?
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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Jonathan Chen]

On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 11:29:02PM +, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> On 30/01/2008, Jonathan Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[...]
> > There should be a more elegant way to do this, but the way I did it
> > was to:
> >
> ># pkg_delete -f xf86-video-i810-1.7.4
> ># cd /usr/ports/x11-drivers/xorg-drivers
> ># make rmconfig
> ># make config
> >[untick i180 and tick intel]
> ># portupgrade -f xorg-drivers
> >
...
> Jonathan
> 
> I followed your instructions but still doesnt work.
> 
> Now, all this is really disappointing. Would you suggest I reinstall
> FreeBSD 6.3? Perhaps I reinstall it without choosing Xorg during
> sysinstall and then install it later through package or port?

A reinstallation of 6.3 wouldn't really solve anything, as your
problem isn't with the base system; it's with XOrg. Could you repost
the results of your latest /var/log/XOrg.log with the new "intel"
video driver? You may have to submit its contents to XOrg for a better
diagnosis.

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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Siraj Shaikh]

On 30/01/2008, Jonathan Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 09:51:11PM +, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> > On 30/01/2008, Jonathan Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 09:29:02PM +, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > > (--) PCI: (0:2:1) Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated
> > > > Graphics Controller rev 3, Mem @ 0xf010/20
> > > > New driver is "i810"
> > >
> > > The i810 driver doesn't quite support laptop screens that well. Try using
> > > the "intel" driver (x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel) instead. This driver
> > > will conflict with the i180 driver, so you will have to remove the old
> > > one first.
> ...
> > >
> > How do I do this? what do I change? Thanks
>
> There should be a more elegant way to do this, but the way I did it
> was to:
>
># pkg_delete -f xf86-video-i810-1.7.4
># cd /usr/ports/x11-drivers/xorg-drivers
># make rmconfig
># make config
>[untick i180 and tick intel]
># portupgrade -f xorg-drivers
>
> After which, X on my laptop started behaving as it should.
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Jonathan

I followed your instructions but still doesnt work.

Now, all this is really disappointing. Would you suggest I reinstall
FreeBSD 6.3? Perhaps I reinstall it without choosing Xorg during
sysinstall and then install it later through package or port?

If you think this wont make a difference, then I am prepared to just
leave it as it is for now I think.

Thanks
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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Jonathan Chen]

On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 09:51:11PM +, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> On 30/01/2008, Jonathan Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 09:29:02PM +, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > > (--) PCI: (0:2:1) Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated
> > > Graphics Controller rev 3, Mem @ 0xf010/20
> > > New driver is "i810"
> >
> > The i810 driver doesn't quite support laptop screens that well. Try using
> > the "intel" driver (x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel) instead. This driver
> > will conflict with the i180 driver, so you will have to remove the old
> > one first.
...
> >
> How do I do this? what do I change? Thanks

There should be a more elegant way to do this, but the way I did it
was to:

# pkg_delete -f xf86-video-i810-1.7.4
# cd /usr/ports/x11-drivers/xorg-drivers
# make rmconfig
# make config
[untick i180 and tick intel]
# portupgrade -f xorg-drivers

After which, X on my laptop started behaving as it should.
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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Siraj Shaikh]

On 30/01/2008, Jonathan Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 09:29:02PM +, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
>
> [...]
> > (--) PCI: (0:2:1) Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated
> > Graphics Controller rev 3, Mem @ 0xf010/20
> > New driver is "i810"
>
> The i810 driver doesn't quite support laptop screens that well. Try using
> the "intel" driver (x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel) instead. This driver
> will conflict with the i180 driver, so you will have to remove the old
> one first.
>
> Cheers.
> --
> Jonathan Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> --
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>
How do I do this? what do I change? Thanks
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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Jonathan Chen]

On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 09:29:02PM +, Siraj Shaikh wrote:

[...]
> (--) PCI: (0:2:1) Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated
> Graphics Controller rev 3, Mem @ 0xf010/20
> New driver is "i810"

The i810 driver doesn't quite support laptop screens that well. Try using
the "intel" driver (x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel) instead. This driver
will conflict with the i180 driver, so you will have to remove the old
one first.

Cheers.
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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Siraj Shaikh]

On 30/01/2008, Frank Shute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 07:59:09PM +, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> >
> > On 30/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> > >
> 
> > >
> >>> (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
> >>> (WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
> >>> (II) Module "ddc" already built-in
> >>> (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
> >>> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
> >>>
> >>> Fatal server error:
> >>> no screens found
> >>> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)
> > >
> > > [cut x config stuff]
> > >
> > > > I did configure Xorg as it said in the handbook, but after that the
> > > > test didnt work, still gave me the same error. I then installed from a
> > > > port (I assume that will be the latest Xorg 7.3 is it? How can I check
> > > > what version do I have?
> > > >
> > > > What is way forward now? uninstall this and install Xorg 6?
> > >
> > >  1) Post xorg.conf.new as suggested.
> > >  2) pkg_info | grep xorg  will show you whats installed
> > >  3) check the hardware list to see if there are know issues
> > >  4) Google the error and freebsd + xorg + your system
> > >
> > > You will get the most (probably) from posting xorg.conf.new. along with
> > > 'uname -a' output. Don't edit it just send it to the list avoiding line
> > > wrapping.
> > >
> >
> > Following is the result of pkg_info | grep xorg
> >
> >
> > xorg-7.3_1  X.Org complete distribution metaport
> > xorg-apps-7.3   X.org apps meta-port
> > xorg-cf-files-1.0.2_2 X.org cf files for use with imake builds
> > xorg-docs-1.4,1 X.org documentation files
> > xorg-drivers-7.3X.org drivers meta-port
> > xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.3 X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts
> > xorg-fonts-7.3  X.org fonts meta-port
> > xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.3 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts
> > xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.3 X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts
> > xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.3 X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts
> > xorg-fonts-truetype-7.3 X.Org TrueType fonts
> > xorg-fonts-type1-7.3 X.Org Type1 fonts
> > xorg-libraries-7.3_1 X.org libraries meta-port
> > xorg-nestserver-1.4,1 Nesting X server from X.Org
> > xorg-protos-7.3 X.org protos meta-port
> > xorg-server-1.4_4,1 X.Org X server and related programs
> > xorg-vfbserver-1.4,1 X virtual framebuffer server from X.Org
>
> Looks like you've got everything, from a glance.
>
> >
> >
> > The contents of my xorg.conf.new file are below
> >
> >
> > Section "ServerLayout"
> >   Identifier "X.org Configured"
> >   Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
> >   InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
> >   InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
> > EndSection
> >
> > Section "Files"
> >   RgbPath  "/usr/local/share/X11/rgb"
> >   ModulePath   "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules"
> >   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
> >   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
> >   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF"
> >   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
> >   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
> >   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
> > EndSection
> >
> > Section "Module"
> >   Load  "extmod"
> >   Load  "record"
> >   Load  "dbe"
> >   Load  "glx"
> >   Load  "GLcore"
> >   Load  "xtrap"
> >   Load  "dri"
> >   Load  "freetype"
> >   Load  "type1"
> > EndSection
> >
> > Section "InputDevice"
> >   Identifier  "Keyboard0"
> >   Driver  "kbd"
> > EndSection
>
> You'll need to edit the above if you're using a non-US keyboard.
> E.g:
>
> Section "InputDevice"
>Identifier  "Keyboard0"
>Driver  "kbd"
>Option "XkbRules"   "xfree86"
>Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
>Option "XkbLayout" "gb"
> EndSection
>
> If you tell us which country your keyboard is for, we could provide
> more help.
>
> I think you want:
>
>Option "XkbModel" "pc101"
>
> for a laptop.
>
> >
> > Section "InputDevice"
> >   Identifier  "Mouse0"
> >   Driver  "mouse"
> >   Option  "Protocol" "auto"
> >   Option  "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
> >   Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
> > EndSection
> >
> > Section "Monitor"
> >   Identifier   "Monitor0"
> >   VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
> >   ModelName"Monitor Model"
> > EndSection
> >
> > Section "Device"
> > ### Available Driver options are:-
> > ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False",
> > ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz"
> > ### [arg]: arg optional
> > #Option "ShadowFB"# []
> > #Option "DefaultRefresh"  # []
> > #Option "ModeSetClearScreen"  # []
> >   Identifier  "Card0"
> >   Driver  "vesa"
> >   VendorName  "Intel Corporation"
> >   BoardName   "Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrat

Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Frank Shute]

On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 07:59:09PM +, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
>
> On 30/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> >

> >
>>> (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
>>> (WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
>>> (II) Module "ddc" already built-in
>>> (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
>>> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
>>>
>>> Fatal server error:
>>> no screens found
>>> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)
> >
> > [cut x config stuff]
> >
> > > I did configure Xorg as it said in the handbook, but after that the
> > > test didnt work, still gave me the same error. I then installed from a
> > > port (I assume that will be the latest Xorg 7.3 is it? How can I check
> > > what version do I have?
> > >
> > > What is way forward now? uninstall this and install Xorg 6?
> >
> >  1) Post xorg.conf.new as suggested.
> >  2) pkg_info | grep xorg  will show you whats installed
> >  3) check the hardware list to see if there are know issues
> >  4) Google the error and freebsd + xorg + your system
> >
> > You will get the most (probably) from posting xorg.conf.new. along with
> > 'uname -a' output. Don't edit it just send it to the list avoiding line
> > wrapping.
> >
> 
> Following is the result of pkg_info | grep xorg
> 
> 
> xorg-7.3_1  X.Org complete distribution metaport
> xorg-apps-7.3   X.org apps meta-port
> xorg-cf-files-1.0.2_2 X.org cf files for use with imake builds
> xorg-docs-1.4,1 X.org documentation files
> xorg-drivers-7.3X.org drivers meta-port
> xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.3 X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts
> xorg-fonts-7.3  X.org fonts meta-port
> xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.3 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts
> xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.3 X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts
> xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.3 X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts
> xorg-fonts-truetype-7.3 X.Org TrueType fonts
> xorg-fonts-type1-7.3 X.Org Type1 fonts
> xorg-libraries-7.3_1 X.org libraries meta-port
> xorg-nestserver-1.4,1 Nesting X server from X.Org
> xorg-protos-7.3 X.org protos meta-port
> xorg-server-1.4_4,1 X.Org X server and related programs
> xorg-vfbserver-1.4,1 X virtual framebuffer server from X.Org

Looks like you've got everything, from a glance.

> 
> 
> The contents of my xorg.conf.new file are below
> 
> 
> Section "ServerLayout"
>   Identifier "X.org Configured"
>   Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
>   InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
>   InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Files"
>   RgbPath  "/usr/local/share/X11/rgb"
>   ModulePath   "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules"
>   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
>   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
>   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF"
>   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
>   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
>   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Module"
>   Load  "extmod"
>   Load  "record"
>   Load  "dbe"
>   Load  "glx"
>   Load  "GLcore"
>   Load  "xtrap"
>   Load  "dri"
>   Load  "freetype"
>   Load  "type1"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Identifier  "Keyboard0"
>   Driver  "kbd"
> EndSection

You'll need to edit the above if you're using a non-US keyboard.
E.g:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "kbd"
Option "XkbRules"   "xfree86"
Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
Option "XkbLayout" "gb"
EndSection

If you tell us which country your keyboard is for, we could provide
more help. 

I think you want:

Option "XkbModel" "pc101"

for a laptop.

> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Identifier  "Mouse0"
>   Driver  "mouse"
>   Option  "Protocol" "auto"
>   Option  "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
>   Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Monitor"
>   Identifier   "Monitor0"
>   VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
>   ModelName"Monitor Model"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Device"
> ### Available Driver options are:-
> ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False",
> ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz"
> ### [arg]: arg optional
> #Option "ShadowFB"# []
> #Option "DefaultRefresh"  # []
> #Option "ModeSetClearScreen"  # []
>   Identifier  "Card0"
>   Driver  "vesa"
>   VendorName  "Intel Corporation"
>   BoardName   "Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller"
>   BusID   "PCI:0:2:0"
> EndSection

Bad news. i810 doesn't support your graphics chip yet and you have to use
crappy old vesa. 

> 
> Section "Screen"
>   Identifier "Screen0"
>   Device "Card0"
>   Monitor"Monitor0"

Add here:

DefaultColorDepth 24

>   

Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[doug]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:


On 30/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:


On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:


On 29/01/2008, Siraj Shaikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:


One question: I have just installed FreeBSD 6.3, and tried "startx"
but it isnt coming up, giving some sort of error. Am I missing
something here? I did choose for "Windows X" during the FreeBSD setup
- shall I do a port upgrade?


[cut]


(EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
(WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
(II) Module "ddc" already built-in
(EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration

Fatal server error:
no screens found
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)


[cut x config stuff]


I did configure Xorg as it said in the handbook, but after that the
test didnt work, still gave me the same error. I then installed from a
port (I assume that will be the latest Xorg 7.3 is it? How can I check
what version do I have?

What is way forward now? uninstall this and install Xorg 6?


 1) Post xorg.conf.new as suggested.
 2) pkg_info | grep xorg  will show you whats installed
 3) check the hardware list to see if there are know issues
 4) Google the error and freebsd + xorg + your system

You will get the most (probably) from posting xorg.conf.new. along with
'uname -a' output. Don't edit it just send it to the list avoiding line
wrapping.



Following is the result of pkg_info | grep xorg


xorg-7.3_1  X.Org complete distribution metaport
xorg-apps-7.3   X.org apps meta-port
xorg-cf-files-1.0.2_2 X.org cf files for use with imake builds
xorg-docs-1.4,1 X.org documentation files
xorg-drivers-7.3X.org drivers meta-port
xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.3 X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-7.3  X.org fonts meta-port
xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.3 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts 
xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.3 X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts

xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.3 X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-truetype-7.3 X.Org TrueType fonts
xorg-fonts-type1-7.3 X.Org Type1 fonts
xorg-libraries-7.3_1 X.org libraries meta-port
xorg-nestserver-1.4,1 Nesting X server from X.Org
xorg-protos-7.3 X.org protos meta-port
xorg-server-1.4_4,1 X.Org X server and related programs
xorg-vfbserver-1.4,1 X virtual framebuffer server from X.Org


The contents of my xorg.conf.new file are below


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
RgbPath  "/usr/local/share/X11/rgb"
ModulePath   "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "extmod"
Load  "record"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "glx"
Load  "GLcore"
Load  "xtrap"
Load  "dri"
Load  "freetype"
Load  "type1"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "kbd"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "auto"
Option  "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName"Monitor Model"
EndSection

Section "Device"
   ### Available Driver options are:-
   ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False",
   ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz"
   ### [arg]: arg optional
   #Option "ShadowFB" # []
   #Option "DefaultRefresh"   # []
   #Option "ModeSetClearScreen"   # []
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver  "vesa"
VendorName  "Intel Corporation"
BoardName   "Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller"
BusID   "PCI:0:2:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 1
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 4
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 8
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 

Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Jonathan Chen]

On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 08:16:31PM +, Siraj Shaikh wrote:

[...]
> Do I need to get Xorg working first? before I deploy gnome2? I do plan
> to install gnome 2 -certainly at some stage - would that solve my
> problems?
> 
> I am a bit confused nowplease help! I thought gnome 2 wouldnt work
> if I dont get xorg to work.

What you are doing is correct. You do need to get XOrg working first,
and "startx" is the easiest way to test it. There is no point
building/downloading the big list of GNOME2 packages until you get
XOrg working.

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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[KAYVEN RIESE]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:

On 30/01/2008, KAYVEN RIESE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:

On 30/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:

On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:

On 29/01/2008, Siraj Shaikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:



Just to repeat. I installed FreeBSD 6.3, its a new Toshiba notebook. I
chose to install X Windows during sysinstall. The very first time I
ran startx it didnt work. Then I did the "Xorg -configure" and tried
again, and still doesnt work. Please help 


startx is lame.  most ppl apparently use either KDE or gnome. i used
to use xfce4 that was started with the command "starxfce4" but i ended
up being pursuaded out of it because i couldn't do flash and multimedia
plugins.  have you tried running the following command at the
root prompt:

#pkg_add -r gnome2

i think that is what i used.

here is a webpage for gnome:

http://www.gnome.org/start/2.20/notes/en/

have you familiarized yourself with the freeBSD pkg_add pkg_delete
and ports systems /usr/ports ?  the -r directive means that it goes
out to the web to find things to install and at the same time installs
it.  really easy.  for the ports system

http://www.freebsd.org/ports/index.html

you merely figure out what port you want.. do a command something
like (as root)

#cd /usr/ports/path/to/a/kewl/app

and then

#make install clean

the ports system figures out all the dependencies.. also there is a
kewl thing called "portsnap" that updates the ports directories



Do I need to get Xorg working first? before I deploy gnome2? I do plan
to install gnome 2 -certainly at some stage - would that solve my
problems?


the pkg_add utility worries about alll that nonsense for you.
just try it.



I am a bit confused nowplease help! I thought gnome 2 wouldnt work
if I dont get xorg to work.



that's true, but xorg i think you don't necessarily have to worry
about.  the pkg_add command will be thinking for a looongg loonngg
time.  go see a movie while it is chugging away.



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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Siraj Shaikh]

On 30/01/2008, KAYVEN RIESE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> > On 30/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> >>> On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> > On 29/01/2008, Siraj Shaikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> >>>
> >
> > Just to repeat. I installed FreeBSD 6.3, its a new Toshiba notebook. I
> > chose to install X Windows during sysinstall. The very first time I
> > ran startx it didnt work. Then I did the "Xorg -configure" and tried
> > again, and still doesnt work. Please help 
>
> startx is lame.  most ppl apparently use either KDE or gnome. i used
> to use xfce4 that was started with the command "starxfce4" but i ended
> up being pursuaded out of it because i couldn't do flash and multimedia
> plugins.  have you tried running the following command at the
> root prompt:
>
> #pkg_add -r gnome2
>
> i think that is what i used.
>
> here is a webpage for gnome:
>
> http://www.gnome.org/start/2.20/notes/en/
>
> have you familiarized yourself with the freeBSD pkg_add pkg_delete
> and ports systems /usr/ports ?  the -r directive means that it goes
> out to the web to find things to install and at the same time installs
> it.  really easy.  for the ports system
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/ports/index.html
>
> you merely figure out what port you want.. do a command something
> like (as root)
>
> #cd /usr/ports/path/to/a/kewl/app
>
> and then
>
> #make install clean
>
> the ports system figures out all the dependencies.. also there is a
> kewl thing called "portsnap" that updates the ports directories
>

Do I need to get Xorg working first? before I deploy gnome2? I do plan
to install gnome 2 -certainly at some stage - would that solve my
problems?

I am a bit confused nowplease help! I thought gnome 2 wouldnt work
if I dont get xorg to work.
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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[KAYVEN RIESE]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:

On 30/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:

On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:

On 29/01/2008, Siraj Shaikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:



Just to repeat. I installed FreeBSD 6.3, its a new Toshiba notebook. I
chose to install X Windows during sysinstall. The very first time I
ran startx it didnt work. Then I did the "Xorg -configure" and tried
again, and still doesnt work. Please help 


startx is lame.  most ppl apparently use either KDE or gnome. i used
to use xfce4 that was started with the command "starxfce4" but i ended
up being pursuaded out of it because i couldn't do flash and multimedia
plugins.  have you tried running the following command at the
root prompt:

#pkg_add -r gnome2

i think that is what i used.

here is a webpage for gnome:

http://www.gnome.org/start/2.20/notes/en/

have you familiarized yourself with the freeBSD pkg_add pkg_delete
and ports systems /usr/ports ?  the -r directive means that it goes
out to the web to find things to install and at the same time installs
it.  really easy.  for the ports system

http://www.freebsd.org/ports/index.html

you merely figure out what port you want.. do a command something
like (as root)

#cd /usr/ports/path/to/a/kewl/app

and then

#make install clean

the ports system figures out all the dependencies.. also there is a
kewl thing called "portsnap" that updates the ports directories

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=portsnap&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+6.2-RELEASE&format=html




Thanks
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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Siraj Shaikh]

On 30/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
>
> > On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 29/01/2008, Siraj Shaikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> >
> >> One question: I have just installed FreeBSD 6.3, and tried "startx"
> >> but it isnt coming up, giving some sort of error. Am I missing
> >> something here? I did choose for "Windows X" during the FreeBSD setup
> >> - shall I do a port upgrade?
>
> [cut]
>
> >>> (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
> >>> (WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
> >>> (II) Module "ddc" already built-in
> >>> (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
> >>> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
> >>>
> >>> Fatal server error:
> >>> no screens found
> >>> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)
>
> [cut x config stuff]
>
> > I did configure Xorg as it said in the handbook, but after that the
> > test didnt work, still gave me the same error. I then installed from a
> > port (I assume that will be the latest Xorg 7.3 is it? How can I check
> > what version do I have?
> >
> > What is way forward now? uninstall this and install Xorg 6?
>
>  1) Post xorg.conf.new as suggested.
>  2) pkg_info | grep xorg  will show you whats installed
>  3) check the hardware list to see if there are know issues
>  4) Google the error and freebsd + xorg + your system
>
> You will get the most (probably) from posting xorg.conf.new. along with
> 'uname -a' output. Don't edit it just send it to the list avoiding line
> wrapping.
>

Following is the result of pkg_info | grep xorg


xorg-7.3_1  X.Org complete distribution metaport
xorg-apps-7.3   X.org apps meta-port
xorg-cf-files-1.0.2_2 X.org cf files for use with imake builds
xorg-docs-1.4,1 X.org documentation files
xorg-drivers-7.3X.org drivers meta-port
xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.3 X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-7.3  X.org fonts meta-port
xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.3 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.3 X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.3 X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-truetype-7.3 X.Org TrueType fonts
xorg-fonts-type1-7.3 X.Org Type1 fonts
xorg-libraries-7.3_1 X.org libraries meta-port
xorg-nestserver-1.4,1 Nesting X server from X.Org
xorg-protos-7.3 X.org protos meta-port
xorg-server-1.4_4,1 X.Org X server and related programs
xorg-vfbserver-1.4,1 X virtual framebuffer server from X.Org


The contents of my xorg.conf.new file are below


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
RgbPath  "/usr/local/share/X11/rgb"
ModulePath   "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "extmod"
Load  "record"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "glx"
Load  "GLcore"
Load  "xtrap"
Load  "dri"
Load  "freetype"
Load  "type1"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "kbd"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "auto"
Option  "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName"Monitor Model"
EndSection

Section "Device"
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False",
### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz"
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option "ShadowFB"  # []
#Option "DefaultRefresh"# []
#Option "ModeSetClearScreen"# []
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver  "vesa"
VendorName  "Intel Corporation"
BoardName   "Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller"
BusID   "PCI:0:2:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 1
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 4
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
   

Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[doug]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:


On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:


On 29/01/2008, Siraj Shaikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:


One question: I have just installed FreeBSD 6.3, and tried "startx"
but it isnt coming up, giving some sort of error. Am I missing
something here? I did choose for "Windows X" during the FreeBSD setup
- shall I do a port upgrade?


[cut]


(EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
(WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
(II) Module "ddc" already built-in
(EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration

Fatal server error:
no screens found
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)


[cut x config stuff]


I did configure Xorg as it said in the handbook, but after that the
test didnt work, still gave me the same error. I then installed from a
port (I assume that will be the latest Xorg 7.3 is it? How can I check
what version do I have?

What is way forward now? uninstall this and install Xorg 6?


 1) Post xorg.conf.new as suggested.
 2) pkg_info | grep xorg  will show you whats installed
 3) check the hardware list to see if there are know issues
 4) Google the error and freebsd + xorg + your system

You will get the most (probably) from posting xorg.conf.new. along with
'uname -a' output. Don't edit it just send it to the list avoiding line 
wrapping.



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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Frank Shute]

On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 09:08:59AM +, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
>
> On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> >
> > > On 29/01/2008, Siraj Shaikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > > I have just reinstalled Xorg (using the xorg port) and tried startx
> > > again but it doesnt work. The error message is something like
> > >
> > > (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
> > > (WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
> > > (II) Module "ddc" already built-in
> > > (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
> > > (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
> > >
> > > Fatal server error:
> > > no screens found
> > > X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)
> > >
> > > Please help!!!
> >
> > This looks like you did not configure X. As the handbook 5.4.2
> > says if startx does not work you need to run: Xorg -configure and
> > then test that with
> >
> >Xorg -config xorg.conf.new
> >
> > If your Xorg is < 7.3 you have to do this. Depending on the
> > defaults selected and your video card, you may need to edit your
> > screen section. Xorg 7 did not work for me. In Xorg 6 all setup is
> > manual and required. My screen section: 

> >
> > Section "Screen"
> > Identifier "Screen0"
> > Device "Card0"
> > Monitor"Monitor0"
> > #   DefaultDepth 16
> > SubSection "Display"
> > Viewport   0 0
> > Depth 1
> > EndSubSection
> > SubSection "Display"
> > Viewport   0 0
> > Depth 4
> > EndSubSection
> > SubSection "Display"
> > Viewport   0 0
> > Depth 8
> > EndSubSection
> > SubSection "Display"
> > Viewport   0 0
> > Depth 15
> > EndSubSection
> > SubSection "Display"
> > Viewport   0 0
> > Depth 16
> > Modes "1280x1024"
> > EndSubSection
> > SubSection "Display"
> > Viewport   0 0
> > Depth 24
> > Modes "1280x1024"
> > EndSubSection
> > EndSection
> >
> >
> >
> I did configure Xorg as it said in the handbook, but after that the
> test didnt work, still gave me the same error. I then installed from a
> port (I assume that will be the latest Xorg 7.3 is it? How can I check
> what version do I have?
> 
> What is way forward now? uninstall this and install Xorg 6?

Check that you have xf86-video-i810 installed:

$ pkg_info | grep i810

If not, install it.

Try:

# Xorg -configure

again.

Then:

# X -config xorg.conf.new

If it doesn't work, post xorg.conf.new to this list.


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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Siraj Shaikh]

On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
>
> > On 29/01/2008, Siraj Shaikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> >>>
>  One question: I have just installed FreeBSD 6.3, and tried "startx"
>  but it isnt coming up, giving some sort of error. Am I missing
>  something here? I did choose for "Windows X" during the FreeBSD setup
>  - shall I do a port upgrade?
> 
>  Thanks
> >>>
> >>> This is really a new thread. The handbook Chapter 5, The X Window System 
> >>> has the
> >>> steps to follow. If your video card is support, it will just work.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-install.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I installed FreeBSD 6.3 and asked for X during the step. The link only
> >> shows me how to add the X package. Shall I add the package right on
> >> top now, or shall I remove X first, and then install the port/package
> >> after that?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> > I have just reinstalled Xorg (using the xorg port) and tried startx
> > again but it doesnt work. The error message is something like
> >
> > (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
> > (WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
> > (II) Module "ddc" already built-in
> > (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
> > (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
> >
> > Fatal server error:
> > no screens found
> > X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)
> >
> > Please help!!!
>
> This looks like you did not configure X. As the handbook 5.4.2 says if startx
> does not work you need to run: Xorg -configure and then test that with
>
>Xorg -config xorg.conf.new
>
> If your Xorg is < 7.3 you have to do this. Depending on the defaults selected
> and your video card, you may need to edit your screen section. Xorg 7 did not
> work for me. In Xorg 6 all setup is manual and required. My screen section:
>
> Section "Screen"
> Identifier "Screen0"
> Device "Card0"
> Monitor"Monitor0"
> #   DefaultDepth 16
> SubSection "Display"
> Viewport   0 0
> Depth 1
> EndSubSection
> SubSection "Display"
> Viewport   0 0
> Depth 4
> EndSubSection
> SubSection "Display"
> Viewport   0 0
> Depth 8
> EndSubSection
> SubSection "Display"
> Viewport   0 0
> Depth 15
> EndSubSection
> SubSection "Display"
> Viewport   0 0
> Depth 16
> Modes "1280x1024"
> EndSubSection
> SubSection "Display"
> Viewport   0 0
> Depth 24
> Modes "1280x1024"
> EndSubSection
> EndSection
>
>
>
I did configure Xorg as it said in the handbook, but after that the
test didnt work, still gave me the same error. I then installed from a
port (I assume that will be the latest Xorg 7.3 is it? How can I check
what version do I have?

What is way forward now? uninstall this and install Xorg 6?
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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[doug]

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:


On 29/01/2008, Siraj Shaikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:


One question: I have just installed FreeBSD 6.3, and tried "startx"
but it isnt coming up, giving some sort of error. Am I missing
something here? I did choose for "Windows X" during the FreeBSD setup
- shall I do a port upgrade?

Thanks


This is really a new thread. The handbook Chapter 5, The X Window System has the
steps to follow. If your video card is support, it will just work.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-install.html




I installed FreeBSD 6.3 and asked for X during the step. The link only
shows me how to add the X package. Shall I add the package right on
top now, or shall I remove X first, and then install the port/package
after that?

Thanks


I have just reinstalled Xorg (using the xorg port) and tried startx
again but it doesnt work. The error message is something like

(EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
(WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
(II) Module "ddc" already built-in
(EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration

Fatal server error:
no screens found
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)

Please help!!!


This looks like you did not configure X. As the handbook 5.4.2 says if startx 
does not work you need to run: Xorg -configure and then test that with


   Xorg -config xorg.conf.new

If your Xorg is < 7.3 you have to do this. Depending on the defaults selected 
and your video card, you may need to edit your screen section. Xorg 7 did not 
work for me. In Xorg 6 all setup is manual and required. My screen section:


Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
#   DefaultDepth 16
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 1
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 4
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 8
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 15
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 16
Modes "1280x1024"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
Modes "1280x1024"
EndSubSection
EndSection


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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Kimi]

On 29/01/2008, Siraj Shaikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> >
> > > One question: I have just installed FreeBSD 6.3, and tried "startx"
> > > but it isnt coming up, giving some sort of error. Am I missing
> > > something here? I did choose for "Windows X" during the FreeBSD setup
> > > - shall I do a port upgrade?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > This is really a new thread. The handbook Chapter 5, The X Window System 
> > has the
> > steps to follow. If your video card is support, it will just work.
> >
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-install.html
> >
> >
>
> I installed FreeBSD 6.3 and asked for X during the step. The link only
> shows me how to add the X package. Shall I add the package right on
> top now, or shall I remove X first, and then install the port/package
> after that?
>

or better still, if you can tel us the error message we can help much
better, other wise all we can do is second guess and redirect you to
the handbook which should solved most of your problems, also looking
back in the mailing list archives might give you a solution to


> Thanks

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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Siraj Shaikh]

On 29/01/2008, Siraj Shaikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
> >
> > > One question: I have just installed FreeBSD 6.3, and tried "startx"
> > > but it isnt coming up, giving some sort of error. Am I missing
> > > something here? I did choose for "Windows X" during the FreeBSD setup
> > > - shall I do a port upgrade?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > This is really a new thread. The handbook Chapter 5, The X Window System 
> > has the
> > steps to follow. If your video card is support, it will just work.
> >
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-install.html
> >
> >
>
> I installed FreeBSD 6.3 and asked for X during the step. The link only
> shows me how to add the X package. Shall I add the package right on
> top now, or shall I remove X first, and then install the port/package
> after that?
>
> Thanks
>
I have just reinstalled Xorg (using the xorg port) and tried startx
again but it doesnt work. The error message is something like

(EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
(WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
(II) Module "ddc" already built-in
(EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration

Fatal server error:
no screens found
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)

Please help!!!

Thanks
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Re: Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Siraj Shaikh]

On 29/01/2008, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:
>
> > One question: I have just installed FreeBSD 6.3, and tried "startx"
> > but it isnt coming up, giving some sort of error. Am I missing
> > something here? I did choose for "Windows X" during the FreeBSD setup
> > - shall I do a port upgrade?
> >
> > Thanks
>
> This is really a new thread. The handbook Chapter 5, The X Window System has 
> the
> steps to follow. If your video card is support, it will just work.
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-install.html
>
>

I installed FreeBSD 6.3 and asked for X during the step. The link only
shows me how to add the X package. Shall I add the package right on
top now, or shall I remove X first, and then install the port/package
after that?

Thanks
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Starting X - was Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[doug]

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Siraj Shaikh wrote:


One question: I have just installed FreeBSD 6.3, and tried "startx"
but it isnt coming up, giving some sort of error. Am I missing
something here? I did choose for "Windows X" during the FreeBSD setup
- shall I do a port upgrade?

Thanks


This is really a new thread. The handbook Chapter 5, The X Window System has the 
steps to follow. If your video card is support, it will just work.


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-install.html

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Re: Vista / FreeBSD dual boot

[Siraj Shaikh]

On 29/01/2008, Alphons Fonz van Werven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>
> >> No offense, but when installing from scratch using sysinstall, do you
> >> actually have a command line available in that phase of the install?
>
> > you have to choose rescue disk from menu and CD/DVD.
>
> Ah, ok.
>
> Not a logical choice for a fresh install though...
>
> Alphons (still at war with vidcontrol)
>
> --
> VISTA - Viruses Intruders Spyware Trojans Adware
>

OK, wanted to thank you all fo your helkp, and just finally, repeat
the steps (just to clarify amongst all this discussion). This is what
I did

1) started with an empty disk, and used the Vista recovery CD to put
the Vista image onto the laptop
2) then installed freebsd (6.3) from CD and left MBR untouched
3) on restart, was only seeing FreeBSD, so used fdisk to makr the
Vista partition active
4) finally booted up with Vista and then used easyBCD to add the
FreeBSD partition entry to the boot record (its call it NeoLinux for
some reason - could I change it to call it FreeBSD? Not that it
matters so much)
5) finally rebooted to have a choice between FreeBSD and Vista - tried
both and they both work fine!

Thank you again all!

One question: I have just installed FreeBSD 6.3, and tried "startx"
but it isnt coming up, giving some sort of error. Am I missing
something here? I did choose for "Windows X" during the FreeBSD setup
- shall I do a port upgrade?

Thanks
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