Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop.

[Julian H. Stacey]

> > If you have a system you want to try you can also check out 
> > http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html.
> 
> 
> That is a great resource for laptops, too bad it isn't mentioned in the 
> Handbook compatibility chapter.

Suggestion: send-pr 

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Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop.

[Robert Huff]

Daniel Feenberg writes:

>  But why order parts? If you want to learn FreeBSD, just take any
>  old windows box and install FreeBSD over the existing windows
>  install. It will work fine and won't cost you anything.

This was (close to) my gut reaction.  If all you want it the
learning experience, any machine made in the last 10 (15?) years
that can install Windows can probably install FreeBSD.
If/when you get past that and want (e,g,) a:

high performance gaming box
file server
router/firewall
high availability web server

... now we're talking about specific hardware.


Robert Huff


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Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop.

[Daniel Feenberg]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, d...@safeport.com wrote:




On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, James D. Parra wrote:

I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if 
there

is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware
comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts.


If don't want to make the full commitment to building a desktop, a good way 
to learn about FreeBSD is to install within a virtual machine. Either 
VMWare or VirtualBox will serve you well.


If you have a system you want to try you can also check out 
http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html.



That is a great resource for laptops, too bad it isn't mentioned in the 
Handbook compatibility chapter.



We have purchased many desktop motherboards for FreeBSD over the years, 
from Intel, Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI and others. None mentioned FreeBSD 
compatibility, none was on any list promising FreeBSD compatibility and 
none has failed to boot and run well.


That said, rarely the onboard ethernet has not been recognized and we had 
to add a PCI NIC until the next version of FreeBSD included the proper 
drivers. No NIC has ever been incompatible in our experience.


We have not ever tested APM or ACPI, and if you follow the newsgroup you 
will know that those are sometimes problematic. Notice how few laptops 
support APM or ACPI with FreeBSD. Also, while onboard video has always 
worked for us, some people will notice that the drivers do not always 
provide the full performance available in Windows.


We have not found the Handbook compatibility list very helpful. The list
is mostly by chip, which card vendors don't mention in their literature. 
It would be nice to see a list of currently available products, by retail 
model number. That doesn't exist as far as I can tell.


So it comes down mostly to your feelings about those issues. If you will
be upset by less than optimal 3D graphics perforance, there is a risk. 
Otherwise, don't worry.


But why order parts? If you want to learn FreeBSD, just take any old
windows box and install FreeBSD over the existing windows install. It will 
work fine and won't cost you anything.


daniel feenberg

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Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop.

[Brian W.]

The pcbsd project which uses FreeBSD is another option.
On Aug 20, 2012 11:31 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, James D. Parra wrote:
>
>  I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if
>> there
>> is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware
>> comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts.
>> 
>>
>> If don't want to make the full commitment to building a desktop, a good
>> way to learn about FreeBSD is to install within a virtual machine. Either
>> VMWare or VirtualBox will serve you well.
>>
>>  If you have a system you want to try you can also check out
> http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/**freebsd/index.html
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Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop.

[doug]

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, James D. Parra wrote:


I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there
is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware
comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts.


If don't want to make the full commitment to building a desktop, a good way to 
learn about FreeBSD is to install within a virtual machine. Either VMWare or 
VirtualBox will serve you well.

If you have a system you want to try you can also check out 
http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html.

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Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop.

[James D. Parra]

I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there
is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware
comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts.


If don't want to make the full commitment to building a desktop, a good way to 
learn about FreeBSD is to install within a virtual machine. Either VMWare or 
VirtualBox will serve you well.

Best regards,

James
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Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop.

[Aaron Kaufman]

On  6:56:26PM, Locksmith  wrote:
> I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there
> is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware
> comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts.

The handbook is always a good place to start.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/hardware.html
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.0R/hardware.html


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Building a FreeBSD desktop.

[Locksmith]

I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there
is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware
comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts.



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Re: HTML5 under FreeBSD Desktop

[mikel king]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 7:53 AM, ltsampros wrote:


Alexander Best  writes:


recent chromium builds on http://chromium.jaggeri.com/ and
http://code.google.com/p/chromium-freebsd8/ support html5. don't  
know if the

firefox and opera ports support html5 yet.


If you use the latest version of firefox , check this link:

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/video/?video=personas

It played flawless on my system and I don't remember me having
configured some option/port knob to enable the functionality.

However, there is an ongoing battle regarding which codecs would be
supported. Google/Apple support h264 while Mozilla/Opera prefer/ 
advocate

the Ogg theora one. I think this is a pretty thin picture of the
situation but I guess you can google it around.

So, don't expect all html5/video sites to work.


alex


The main issue is licensing fees. The company that owns h2.64 charges  
$5M for a license. Ogg Theora on the other hand is slightly more  
affordable as a semi-open codec. I certainly would not bet the farm on  
this fight ending nicely.



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Re: HTML5 under FreeBSD Desktop

[mikel king]

On Mar 7, 2010, at 10:35 AM, Alexander Best wrote:


recent chromium builds on http://chromium.jaggeri.com/ and
http://code.google.com/p/chromium-freebsd8/ support html5. don't  
know if the

firefox and opera ports support html5 yet.

alex


Opera seems to have the best support for HTML5 at this point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28HTML5%29


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Re: HTML5 under FreeBSD Desktop

[ltsampros]

Alexander Best  writes:

> recent chromium builds on http://chromium.jaggeri.com/ and
> http://code.google.com/p/chromium-freebsd8/ support html5. don't know if the
> firefox and opera ports support html5 yet.

If you use the latest version of firefox , check this link:

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/video/?video=personas

It played flawless on my system and I don't remember me having
configured some option/port knob to enable the functionality.

However, there is an ongoing battle regarding which codecs would be
supported. Google/Apple support h264 while Mozilla/Opera prefer/advocate
the Ogg theora one. I think this is a pretty thin picture of the
situation but I guess you can google it around.

So, don't expect all html5/video sites to work.

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Re: HTML5 under FreeBSD Desktop

[Robert Huff]

Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri writes:

>  Good bye adobe lame Flash player which never wanted to support
>  FreeBSD and *BSD. 
>  
>  HTML5, welcome abroad :)

Unless you know something we don't, don't bet the rent money
just yet.


Robert Huff

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Re: HTML5 under FreeBSD Desktop

[Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri]

Good bye adobe lame Flash player which never wanted to support FreeBSD and *BSD.

HTML5, welcome abroad :)

 Regards,


-Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
Arab Portal
http://www.WeArab.Net/


  
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Re: HTML5 under FreeBSD Desktop

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Alexander Best  writes:

> recent chromium builds on http://chromium.jaggeri.com/ and
> http://code.google.com/p/chromium-freebsd8/ support html5. 

Great news, thank you very much!!

> don't know if the
> firefox and opera ports support html5 yet.
>
> alex

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Re: HTML5 under FreeBSD Desktop

[Alexander Best]

recent chromium builds on http://chromium.jaggeri.com/ and
http://code.google.com/p/chromium-freebsd8/ support html5. don't know if the
firefox and opera ports support html5 yet.

alex
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HTML5 under FreeBSD Desktop

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Is it possible? I really want to see YouTube Video in FreeBSD
Desktop. So HTML5 support of YouTube [1] is good news to me. 

Currently i'm on FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE ;;

Sincerely,

[1] http://www.youtube.com/html5/
 
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Re: freebsd desktop | mozilla

[Simon Phoenix]

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> 
> Simon Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 03:41:11PM -0800, probsd org wrote:
>>> I'm a long time proponent of FreeBSD as a server. For a long time I've 
>>> really wanted a FreeBSD system as a desktop. So, I decided to install the 
>>> FreeBSD 6.2 and compile xorg, gnome, mozilla, etc... to give it a whirl.
>>>
>>> For anyone reading this, who wants the same thing.
>>>
>>> DO NOT DO IT. Nothing works. java is borked, mozilla and firefox are 
>>> borked, gnome is ify ugh.
>>>
>>> Just dont do it. As a server, I highly recommend it... but it isn't ready 
>>> for the desktop.
>> 
>> I`m using FreeBSD as desktop since 5.0. It works fine.
>
>   This is another issue I have... it seems to "works just fine" for some 
> people (although I don't know why) and not for others.  How come when I 'make 
> install clean' in www/firefox (yes my ports are updated correctly) (and just 
> for one example) javascript dosen't work on certain websites but for you it 
> does. This shouln't be  ahardware issue.  I also see no Makefile declarations 
> to make javascript work for the individual that said I should look at the 
> Makefile closer.
>
>   Actually, in looking at the current port version of www/firefox there are 
> no -D options.
>
>   I am using FBSD 6.2-prerelease, my 'world' is compiled correctly, my ports 
> are updated. Firefox should work on my box just like it works on everyone 
> elses box
>
>   Unless we want to admit that having the latest version of a port installed 
> or using the STABLE version of FreeBSD isn't a good idea.

JavaScript is a part of a Gecko engine in firefox and enabled by default
during build/install.
If you really want solve your problem - show more detailed information
about it (where js not work?, user.js from your profile, are all depends
for firefox installed, etc?...)

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Re: freebsd desktop

[Jona Joachim]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:51:46 -0600
"Donald J. O'Neill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sunday 26 November 2006 13:15, probsd org wrote:
> > Regarding my earlier email "Do not install FreeBSD as a desktop"
> >
> >   I don't care how long I have been using FreeBSD, or yadda yadda
> > or yadda
> >
> >   when I cvsup ports, update the databse, and install www/firefox
> > and go to a website I expect firefox's javascript or whatever to
> > work.
> >
> >   Perhaps you enjoy perusing the internet looking for different
> > switches and knobs to make it work, I don't.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Maybe it would be good if you install java. It just might work then.
> If you don't, you can't expect it too work.

JavaScript is included in the Gecko engine used by Firefox. This has
nothing to do with Java(TM).

Jona
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Re: freebsd desktop | mozilla

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Re: freebsd desktop

[Donald J. O'Neill]

On Sunday 26 November 2006 13:15, probsd org wrote:
> Regarding my earlier email "Do not install FreeBSD as a desktop"
>
>   I don't care how long I have been using FreeBSD, or yadda yadda or yadda
>
>   when I cvsup ports, update the databse, and install www/firefox and go to
> a website I expect firefox's javascript or whatever to work.
>
>   Perhaps you enjoy perusing the internet looking for different switches
> and knobs to make it work, I don't.
>
>
>
>
Maybe it would be good if you install java. It just might work then. If you 
don't, you can't expect it too work.

Since you don't care, yadda, yadda, yadda, etc, I'll tell you anyway: if you 
don't install something that's needed to make something else work and you 
don't get the results you want, it won't work. No ifs, ands, or buts about 
it, it just won't work. And that's a fact, Jack.

Don
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Re: freebsd desktop

[Jona Joachim]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:15:38 -0800 (PST)
probsd org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Regarding my earlier email "Do not install FreeBSD as a desktop"
>
>   I don't care how long I have been using FreeBSD, or yadda yadda or
> yadda 
>   when I cvsup ports, update the databse, and install www/firefox and
> go to a website I expect firefox's javascript or whatever to work. 
>   Perhaps you enjoy perusing the internet looking for different
> switches and knobs to make it work, I don't. 

Don't be silly. I never had a problem with JavaScript in Firefox and I
never read that anybody had one. If the JavaScript on the site "doesn't
work" this usually means that the script is broken.
Furthermore, as already said, I can't see why it would be the fault of
FreeBSD developers/contributors when Mozilla software doesn't work.
If you want to get help you should perhaps give more detail about what
problem(s) is (are).
After all, if you don't like FreeBSD you don't have to use it.

Jona
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Re: freebsd desktop | mozilla

[Andrew Pantyukhin]

On 11/26/06, probsd org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

How come when I 'make install clean' in www/firefox
(yes my ports are updated correctly) (and just for one
example) javascript dosen't work on certain websites
but for you it does.


Hold it :-) What site are we talking about? Are you sure
it's JavaScript and not Java/Flash?
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Re: freebsd desktop | mozilla

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On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 03:41:11PM -0800, probsd org wrote:
> I'm a long time proponent of FreeBSD as a server. For a long time I've really 
> wanted a FreeBSD system as a desktop. So, I decided to install the FreeBSD 
> 6.2 and compile xorg, gnome, mozilla, etc... to give it a whirl.
>
> For anyone reading this, who wants the same thing.
>
> DO NOT DO IT. Nothing works. java is borked, mozilla and firefox are borked, 
> gnome is ify ugh.
>
> Just dont do it. As a server, I highly recommend it... but it isn't ready for 
> the desktop.

I`m using FreeBSD as desktop since 5.0. It works fine.
   
  This is another issue I have... it seems to "works just fine" for some 
people (although I don't know why) and not for others.  How come when I 'make 
install clean' in www/firefox (yes my ports are updated correctly) (and just 
for one example) javascript dosen't work on certain websites but for you it 
does. This shouln't be  ahardware issue.  I also see no Makefile declarations 
to make javascript work for the individual that said I should look at the 
Makefile closer.
   
  Actually, in looking at the current port version of www/firefox there are no 
-D options.
   
  I am using FBSD 6.2-prerelease, my 'world' is compiled correctly, my ports 
are updated. Firefox should work on my box just like it works on everyone elses 
box
   
  Unless we want to admit that having the latest version of a port installed or 
using the STABLE version of FreeBSD isn't a good idea.
   
  
 


 
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Re: freebsd desktop

You should really take a look at PC-BSD ( http://pcbsd.org/ ) .

I think that might answer your, I don't want to config anything --
just work desire.
Not an unreasonable desire, however not really how ports are used, imho.

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Re: freebsd desktop | mozilla

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On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 03:41:11PM -0800, probsd org wrote:
> I'm a long time proponent of FreeBSD as a server. For a long time I've really 
> wanted a FreeBSD system as a desktop. So, I decided to install the FreeBSD 
> 6.2 and compile xorg, gnome, mozilla, etc... to give it a whirl.
>
>   For anyone reading this, who wants the same thing.
>
>   DO NOT DO IT.  Nothing works. java is borked, mozilla and firefox are 
> borked, gnome is ify ugh.
>
>   Just dont do it.  As a server, I highly recommend it... but it isn't ready 
> for the desktop.

I`m using FreeBSD as desktop since 5.0. It works fine.

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Re: freebsd desktop

[Joe Holden]

probsd org wrote:
> Regarding my earlier email "Do not install FreeBSD as a desktop"
>
>   I don't care how long I have been using FreeBSD, or yadda yadda or yadda
>
>   when I cvsup ports, update the databse, and install www/firefox and go to a 
> website I expect firefox's javascript or whatever to work.
>
>   Perhaps you enjoy perusing the internet looking for different switches and 
> knobs to make it work, I don't.  
>

or... OR, you could just take 30 seconds and look at the Makefile, or
"make config" ?

Ta,
Joe
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[probsd org]

Regarding my earlier email "Do not install FreeBSD as a desktop"
   
  I don't care how long I have been using FreeBSD, or yadda yadda or yadda
   
  when I cvsup ports, update the databse, and install www/firefox and go to a 
website I expect firefox's javascript or whatever to work.
   
  Perhaps you enjoy perusing the internet looking for different switches and 
knobs to make it work, I don't.  
   
   

 
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Re: freebsd desktop | mozilla

[Lane]

On Friday 24 November 2006 17:41, probsd org wrote:
> I'm a long time proponent of FreeBSD as a server. For a long time I've
> really wanted a FreeBSD system as a desktop. So, I decided to install the
> FreeBSD 6.2 and compile xorg, gnome, mozilla, etc... to give it a whirl.
>
>   For anyone reading this, who wants the same thing.
>
>   DO NOT DO IT.  Nothing works. java is borked, mozilla and firefox are
> borked, gnome is ify ugh.
>
>   Just dont do it.  As a server, I highly recommend it... but it isn't
> ready for the desktop.
>
>
Just out of curiosity, what version of FreeBSD started you as a proponent?  
Is "long-time" more than, say, six months?  Long enough to know how to 
compile a kernel?  Long enough to have used portupgrade?

I've been using FreeBSD productively for various combinations of server and 
desktop solutions since 3.4-RELEASE.  I'm glad to say that I cannot claim to 
never having problems with FreeBSD.  If that were true then I think I would 
never have learned anything.  Thankfully the learning curve is steep, and 
never seems to quite level out.

While I'll admit that the desktop features supported by FreeBSD are sometimes 
lacking, I recognize that FreeBSD does not itself provide a desktop 
interface.  Thus for desktop issues I turn to X.org, KDE.org, or whatever 
project handles the feature I'm interested in.

If you are actually interested in using FreeBSD on your desktop then maybe you 
don't know how to start.

Try this:  send a question to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

If this is what you feel you've done with the subject line "freebsd desktop | 
mozilla" then ... maybe you could rephrase the question.  Something 
like "when I type 'mozilla' I get the error message 'BORKED!'" would be a 
little more helpful.

lane
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Re: freebsd desktop | mozilla

[doug]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, RW wrote:


On Friday 24 November 2006 23:41, probsd org wrote:

I'm a long time proponent of FreeBSD as a server. For a long time I've
really wanted a FreeBSD system as a desktop. So, I decided to install the
FreeBSD 6.2 and compile xorg, gnome, mozilla, etc... to give it a whirl.

  For anyone reading this, who wants the same thing.

  DO NOT DO IT.  Nothing works. java is borked, mozilla and firefox are
borked, gnome is ify ugh.

  Just dont do it.  As a server, I highly recommend it... but it isn't
ready for the desktop.


It works for me. You must have screwed-up.
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I have been using FreeBSD as a desktop since 3.5 or 4.0 (I forget). To any new 
users, it is well worth a try. When I was using circa 1995 hardware it was 
somewhat of a challange, but not any worse than DOS in the 80's or IBM in the 
70's. First it is pretty easy to try and if you want a complete system you can 
check out http://www.desktopbsd.net. Until my current laptop I never had enough 
resources to make desktopbsd an option, even if it had existed.


If you are running a FreeBSD server or plan to, getting FreeBSD running as your
desktop will expand your knowledge of FreeBSD and Unix in general. For me (old 
mainframe guy) this was invaluable. Everything you learn on the Desktop side 
will make you a better sysadmin.


X is the great leveler. Unless you are an X windows developer, when it does not 
work its a PROBLEM. With new hardware it mostly seems to work. But Xorg/XFree86 
is a constant. Running any BSD/Linux your problems will for the most part follow 
the hardware. Linux may have more/better(?) drivers but running Linux will not 
help you learn FreeBSD.


The other thing that may be problematic is, as the author of this thread 
indicates, java. However I happily run Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice all 
without installing java. I am sure it can be done, it is just not high on my 
list.


There is a lot of help to be had but you have to ask.
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Re: freebsd desktop | mozilla

[Kevin Kinsey]

probsd org wrote:
I'm a long time proponent of FreeBSD as a server. For a long time I've 

really wanted a FreeBSD system as a desktop. So, I decided to install the
FreeBSD 6.2 and compile xorg, gnome, mozilla, etc... to give it a whirl.
   
  For anyone reading this, who wants the same thing. 
   
  DO NOT DO IT.  Nothing works. java is borked, mozilla and firefox 

are borked, gnome is ify ugh.
   
  Just dont do it.  As a server, I highly recommend it... but it 

isn't ready for the desktop.




Hi.

I don't want to offend, but I may.  For starters, I'm not sure if that 
what you were trying to do or not.  Basically, it sounds like just 
another person who gave up before finding what the rest of us see as 
Nirvana.  Whatever, here's my mini-rant:


Since when is the FreeBSD Project responsible for the software of Sun 
Microsystems and the Mozilla Foundation?  (And, incidentally, I've not 
had too many issues with FireFox, Mozilla, or Java.  My Flash is borked 
ATM, but I'm not blaming Macromedia or the FreeBSD project, I'm just 
waiting until I have time to sort it out again).


I think the key words above are "give it a whirl".  That's not what you 
do.  You make a conscious decision to jettison some other option in 
favor of FreeBSD on the desktop, and then you do it.  It's somewhat 
demanding.  It sometimes takes a while to get right.  It even requires 
revisiting now and again.  My parents aren't quite up to the task, for 
example.


Is it worth it?  I think it is for me, now (2 years later).  Many people 
will tell their 'old' hardware "hasta la Vista" ;-) in the next several 
months, but I won't.  If I want new hardware, I'll get it, but not 
because my software says I have to. Furthermore, I have had many of 
their so-called "advanced features" on my desktop computers for a long 
time, and I didn't have to contribute to the Gates foundation for any of 
them.


And I've got other desktop machines in my office (and some of my 
clients' offices) with no MSFT tax on them either.  And if I want 
another desktop made from junk I buy from Ebay or find in my closets, 
I'll have it, and a combination of software that will most likely work 
on it.  I don't have to give substantial portions of my income to 
hardware vendors, because I have access to a system that will still work 
on a Pentium II, if I desire to use one.


FreeBSD configuration isn't "fire and forget" for servers (although its 
daily operation very well *could* be), so why should it be that way with 
a graphical interface?  If anything, "RTFM" is much more important when 
attempting to create a GUI environment.  Problem is, FreeBSD isn't 
responsible for the majority of the GUI software, so you end up with a 
bit of "hodgepodge research" to do.  The FreeBSD Handbook has some 
information on basic configuration, but for the million+one combinations 
that people want as a desktop, you kinda have to search for your 
answers.  (Linux experience might be handy there, heh.)




I'm not calling you names or attempting to insult you in any way.  I 
wish you luck with whatever OS you use on your desktop.  For the sake of 
humanity, I hope it's a Free OS.


Gee, the script found a good quote for the .sig:

Kevin Kinsey

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Re: freebsd desktop | mozilla

[John Smith]

On 11/25/06, probsd org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm a long time proponent of FreeBSD as a server. For a long time I've really 
wanted a FreeBSD system as a desktop. So, I decided to install the FreeBSD 6.2 
and compile xorg, gnome, mozilla, etc... to give it a whirl.

  For anyone reading this, who wants the same thing.

  DO NOT DO IT.  Nothing works. java is borked, mozilla and firefox are borked, 
gnome is ify ugh.

  Just dont do it.  As a server, I highly recommend it... but it isn't ready 
for the desktop.



If you don't know how to setup it, just got for DesktopBSD, or PC-BSD 1.3 Beta.

Thank you,

-J
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Re: freebsd desktop | mozilla

[RW]

On Friday 24 November 2006 23:41, probsd org wrote:
> I'm a long time proponent of FreeBSD as a server. For a long time I've
> really wanted a FreeBSD system as a desktop. So, I decided to install the
> FreeBSD 6.2 and compile xorg, gnome, mozilla, etc... to give it a whirl.
>
>   For anyone reading this, who wants the same thing.
>
>   DO NOT DO IT.  Nothing works. java is borked, mozilla and firefox are
> borked, gnome is ify ugh.
>
>   Just dont do it.  As a server, I highly recommend it... but it isn't
> ready for the desktop.

It works for me. You must have screwed-up. 
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Re: freebsd desktop | mozilla

[ajm]

On Fri, Nov 24, 2006 at 03:41:11PM -0800, probsd org wrote:
> I'm a long time proponent of FreeBSD as a server. For a long time I've really 
> wanted a FreeBSD system as a desktop. So, I decided to install the FreeBSD 
> 6.2 and compile xorg, gnome, mozilla, etc... to give it a whirl.
>
>   For anyone reading this, who wants the same thing. 
>
>   DO NOT DO IT.  Nothing works. java is borked, mozilla and firefox are 
> borked, gnome is ify ugh.
>
>   Just dont do it.  As a server, I highly recommend it... but it isn't ready 
> for the desktop.
>  

I have been using FreeBSD desktop since 5.1.  I have three 
desktops, two have recently been upgraded with 6.1.  I don't use java, 
so I can't tell you about that one.  In the past I have used mozilla, 
then migrated over to firefox.  I am currently using opera.  I have used 
both KDE and Gnome, but I like something more light-weight, so I 
use Fluxbox.  If you didn't like gnome, there others you could try. 
Just look in the /usr/ports/x11-wm/ directory.
Perhaps it is the 6.2 that is giving you so much trouble.
Why don't you give 6.1 a try.

-- 
Alexander
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Re: freebsd desktop | mozilla

[Karol Kwiatkowski]

[resending to list]

On 25/11/2006 00:41, probsd org wrote:
> I'm a long time proponent of FreeBSD as a server. For a long time I've really 
> wanted a FreeBSD system as a desktop. So, I decided to install the FreeBSD 
> 6.2 and compile xorg, gnome, mozilla, etc... to give it a whirl.
>
>   For anyone reading this, who wants the same thing. 
>
>   DO NOT DO IT.  

I already did that few years ago, no problem. It's running 6-STABLE now.

> Nothing works. java is borked, mozilla and firefox are borked, gnome is 
> ify ugh.

java, mozilla, firefox, movies, music, tv, etc. works fine here. As
you can see thunderbird, gnupg and even enigmail works too!

If you've got problems send questions here (@freebsd-questions) but
please be more specific next time.

Regards,

Karol

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freebsd desktop | mozilla

[probsd org]

I'm a long time proponent of FreeBSD as a server. For a long time I've really 
wanted a FreeBSD system as a desktop. So, I decided to install the FreeBSD 6.2 
and compile xorg, gnome, mozilla, etc... to give it a whirl.
   
  For anyone reading this, who wants the same thing. 
   
  DO NOT DO IT.  Nothing works. java is borked, mozilla and firefox are borked, 
gnome is ify ugh.
   
  Just dont do it.  As a server, I highly recommend it... but it isn't ready 
for the desktop.

 
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Re: FreeBSD desktop newcomer (Enemy Territory players read) - need minor help

[klr]

> Andreas Davour wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi list,
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>1. I've added a 'paw' menu to access the main menu, but I'd like the
>>>win-key to open this menu. possible?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Almost anything is possible, if you work hard enough. Please tell us more
>>about what your environment is before you expect any meaningful answer.
>>You might want to start checking out xmodmap which is good at remapping
>>keys.
>>
>>
>>
>>>3. Annoyances with enemy territory:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Keys: Look above, xmodmap might help.
>>
>>
>>
>>>  - Im getting some delay switching weapons and shooting. I press mouse1
>>>and about 0.5sec later the weapon will shoot. This should be
>>>instantaneous. I don't have any idea on this one, solutions ?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Do remember that you are running the Linux version of ET. It is slower
>>than running native. You are very welcome to try to convince the
>>developers of Enemy Territory to do a FreeBSD version.
>>
>>
> As long as you have a fairly powerful machine you should be able to play
> it without problems. I ran it on a Celeron 2.8 GHz with 256 DDR-333
> without any problems at all. I never used caps lock, so I don't have a
> clue if I ever had problems with it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jorn
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I will see about this xmodmap, about the shooting delay, I find it odd
because all other actions are timed perfectly except shooting and changing
weapons. My CPU is a 1.4ghz P4.. the game ran fine on windows (no delay).
The FPS are OK, this delay shooting is killing me tho.

I'm pretty sure it's not et-specific, because I also play RtCW, which is a
fair lighter game and I have the same issue. My only guesses are some
problem with the nvidia driver or with moused working on OpenGL..



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Re: FreeBSD desktop newcomer (Enemy Territory players read) - need minor help

[Jorn Argelo]

Andreas Davour wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Hi list,
   

 

1. I've added a 'paw' menu to access the main menu, but I'd like the
win-key to open this menu. possible?
   

Almost anything is possible, if you work hard enough. Please tell us more
about what your environment is before you expect any meaningful answer.
You might want to start checking out xmodmap which is good at remapping
keys.
 

3. Annoyances with enemy territory:
   

Keys: Look above, xmodmap might help.
 

 - Im getting some delay switching weapons and shooting. I press mouse1
and about 0.5sec later the weapon will shoot. This should be
instantaneous. I don't have any idea on this one, solutions ?
   

Do remember that you are running the Linux version of ET. It is slower
than running native. You are very welcome to try to convince the
developers of Enemy Territory to do a FreeBSD version.
 

As long as you have a fairly powerful machine you should be able to play 
it without problems. I ran it on a Celeron 2.8 GHz with 256 DDR-333 
without any problems at all. I never used caps lock, so I don't have a 
clue if I ever had problems with it.

Cheers,
Jorn
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Re: FreeBSD desktop newcomer (Enemy Territory players read) - need minor help

[Andreas Davour]

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi list,

> 1. I've added a 'paw' menu to access the main menu, but I'd like the
> win-key to open this menu. possible?

Almost anything is possible, if you work hard enough. Please tell us more
about what your environment is before you expect any meaningful answer.
You might want to start checking out xmodmap which is good at remapping
keys.

> 3. Annoyances with enemy territory:

Keys: Look above, xmodmap might help.

>   - Im getting some delay switching weapons and shooting. I press mouse1
> and about 0.5sec later the weapon will shoot. This should be
> instantaneous. I don't have any idea on this one, solutions ?

Do remember that you are running the Linux version of ET. It is slower
than running native. You are very welcome to try to convince the
developers of Enemy Territory to do a FreeBSD version.

>   - CAPS LOCK key won't work ingame. Works fine on gnome. I need the caps
>   lock key on enemy territory.

Look to my answer above.

Hope that at least pointed you in the right direction.

/andreas
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FreeBSD desktop newcomer (Enemy Territory players read) - need minor help

[klr]

Hi list,

After sucessfully playing Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Enemy Territory
on FreeBSD 5.2.1, I decided to switch my workstation to freebsd. I have
large experience on the server side but kinda new to the desktop. Here are
some minor annoyances i'm not being able to solve:

1. I've added a 'paw' menu to access the main menu, but I'd like the
win-key to open this menu. possible?

2. Is there any app like in KDE to update the gnome (2.6.1) menus to
reflect changes in installed applications?


3. Annoyances with enemy territory:

  - The game console isn't bound to \. I have to open it with ~, and the
leading \ won't appear. This makes me send lots of commands to general
chat instead of issuing them, have to remember this all the time. I did
a bind \ toggleconsole, while it will bring console with \ then, it
won't make it vanish. My only clue was it could be a keyboard config
error, so I configured it (using gnome), layout portuguese keyboard,
microsoft natural. it should be working. Also on xchat and such, if I
use any letter with an accent people will see it as a '?'. How do I fix
this behavior ?

  - Im getting some delay switching weapons and shooting. I press mouse1
and about 0.5sec later the weapon will shoot. This should be
instantaneous. I don't have any idea on this one, solutions ?

  - CAPS LOCK key won't work ingame. Works fine on gnome. I need the caps 
  lock key on enemy territory.


Thanks all in advance!
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Re: Planning a FreeBSD desktop, basic questions.

[Jesse Guardiani]

Michael Vondung wrote:

> Hello!

Howdy, Michael.


> My apologies for the length of this post. Summary: 4.x or 5.x for a
> desktop machine, disk partitioning for a workstation, miscellaneous
> installation questions.
> 
> Okay, the details! Now that I have my local FreeBSD server (mail/news,
> router, firewall) successfully running, I'm ready to tackle my
> workstation. This is currently a system with a P4-2.6Ghz, 512MB RAM, an
> 80GB EIDE disk, and "the usual" devices (CDR, CD/DVD player, network
> adapter and so on). At this time it is running Windows XP, and I plan to
> keep it where it is. To avoid having two operating systems on the same
> disk, I've purchased an identical HD (WD800BB) where FreeBSD will live on.
> Since I don't download movies or obscene amounts of MP3s, this is all a
> bit spacey. The XP disk only uses 35 of 80GB and I doubt the FreeBSD one
> will even be this "full". How times change. :)

Indeed. I'm only 21, and I still remember messing with a diskless Tandy
10 years ago when I was just getting started. Now I have a laptop with a
48G harddisk dual-booting WXP and FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE, and I still have
more space than I know what to do with. It's a wonderful feeling!


> 
> 4.8 or 5.1?

See below.


> My "personal server" happily runs 4.8R and will be updated to 4.9 when
> -stable becomes a bit more stable. It consists of older hardware and I
> don't plan to upgrade it to 5.x any time soon, if ever. But what do you
> recommend for the workstation? It doesn't have dual-processors and all of
> its hardware seems to be supported by 4.x. This machine, though, will
> eventually get 5.x. I'm wondering if it makes sense to put 4.8 on it now
> or if it would be a better choice to just go with 5.1R. My primary concern
> here is ease of upgrading. Will it be difficult to go from 4.9 to 5.2,
> somewhere down the road?

Well, considering that you have the necessary backup media (dvd-r, a bunch
of cd-rw, a third hd, or tape), it shouldn't be THAT bad. However, it WILL
be more difficult than upgrading from 4.7-RELEASE to 4.8-RELEASE. You
generally will want to reformat the drive, or at least wipe out the file
system.

I personally run 5.1-RELEASE on my IBM Thinkpad A30p. I do so not because
I like 5.x better than 4.x, but simply because I couldn't get advanced
power management (APM) working under 4.8-RELEASE. I tried to install 4.8
first because I was more familiar with it at the time.

5.x is the future. In that respect, it isn't a bad idea to get used to it
now, rather than later, when you suddenly find out that you HAVE to install
it for some shiny new piece of hardware or software.

Having said the above, I'll say this: 4.8-RELEASE _IS_ more stable than
5.x. I run 4.8-RELEASE on my servers. I run 5.1-RELEASE on my laptop.
I can vouch for both version's stability. 5.1-RELEASE is _NOT_ unbearable,
but it is also not quite as stable as 4.8-RELEASE. I won't put 5.x on my
servers until 5.3 or 5.4, I think, unless KSE support is just super killer
stable in 5.2. :)

Also, you might have more trouble actually getting FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE
installed on newer machines. You sometimes have to set boot variables
to keep the kernel from crashing/panicing.

In conclusion, 5.1-RELEASE is good enough for a desktop, IMO, but you'd
better be prepared for an installation/learning curve over 4.8-RELEASE.
On the flip side, you're probably going to have to face that learning
curve at some point in the future anyway, so you might as well dive in
on your conditions and your timeframe, rather than wait until it's a
requirement.

HTH


Sincerely,

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Re: Planning a FreeBSD desktop, basic questions.

[Warren Block]

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Michael Vondung wrote:

> Partitions
>
> If anything brings out the perfectionist in me, it is figuring out how to
> partition a disk. What I have in mind for the 80GB FreeBSD disk for the
> workstation is this:
>
> / = 512MB (too spacey, but that should be plenty for future releases)

Actually, on large disks I give / 1G.  Why?  Because, in the unlikely
event that Something Bad happens, that would be plenty of room to hold a
FreeBSD ISO image, or some other ISO image for some kind of recovery
tool.

> swap = 3GB (see notes below)

This strikes even me as too much.  It's not like Windows, where it'll
use swap even if it doesn't need it.  Double your RAM is probably more
than enough.

-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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Re: Planning a FreeBSD desktop, basic questions.

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On 05-Sep-2003, Michael Vondung wrote message "Planning a FreeBSD desktop,
basic questions."
~
> 4.8 or 5.1?
> 

I have 4.8 at work, and 5 at home.  I'm happier with 4.8 so far.  I keep
running into silly quirks that I have to take time to fix in 5, library
 issues, that sort of thing.  Basically I find myself wanting to reinstall with
4.8 on it.

> 
> Partitions
> 

I run a similar machine at work.  p4 2.4Ghz 512MB, 80GB. and it runs great.  I
gave myself 1GB of swap, and I rarely ever touch more than 40-50MB when I'm
really giving it a beating.

/= 512MB, I'm current at 31% utilized
/var = 256MB, 38% utilized
/tmp = 256MB, 14% utilized
/usr = the rest...

> The machine currently has 512MB of RAM, but since I won't have the financial
> means or desire to get a new complete system in the next two to four years,

I haven't seen much need to upgrade my RAM, though I don't run the K nor GNOME.



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Re: Planning a FreeBSD desktop, basic questions.

[Jud]

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:01:41 +0200, "Michael Vondung"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Hello!
> 
> My apologies for the length of this post. Summary: 4.x or 5.x for a
> desktop
> machine, disk partitioning for a workstation, miscellaneous installation
> questions.

Replying to selected bits -
[snip]
> 4.8 or 5.1?
> 
> My "personal server" happily runs 4.8R and will be updated to 4.9 when
> -stable becomes a bit more stable. It consists of older hardware and I
> don't
> plan to upgrade it to 5.x any time soon, if ever. But what do you
> recommend
> for the workstation? It doesn't have dual-processors and all of its
> hardware
> seems to be supported by 4.x. This machine, though, will eventually get
> 5.x.
> I'm wondering if it makes sense to put 4.8 on it now or if it would be a
> better choice to just go with 5.1R. My primary concern here is ease of
> upgrading. Will it be difficult to go from 4.9 to 5.2, somewhere down the
> road? Mergemaster is a rather scary looking critter. Differently put,
> will
> there be tools provided to allow this without too much fiddling?

4.8 now, 5.x via fresh install rather than upgrade when you feel
comfortable.  

Re applications: Do you have a lot of applications installed, or some
fairly large ones?  How fast is your Internet connection?  Depending on
the answers, choose whether you want to prepare for 5.x by using
portupgrade to make packages of applications (then saving them to the XP
drive or burning them to CD), or by reinstalling the applications over
the Internet onto the new 5.x system.  

Re system configuration: Do you have a lot of customized system config
files?  If not, doing it over again on a fresh installation of 5.x
shouldn't take long.  Unless you are thoroughly familiar with exactly
what has changed between 4.x and 5.x, that should be easier than trying
to pull your configuration through an upgrade.

> Keep in mind that I -am- new to the FreeBSD
> and
> Unix world. 

Yeah, definitely 4.8.  :)

> Miscellaneous
> 
> - FreeBSD will be on the second disk. Is Sysinstall, if FreeBSD is
> installed
> on the slave, going to ask if I'd like to put the BootMgr on the first
> drive?

Yes.  You must put the FreeBSD boot manager on *each* drive you want to
boot with it, so if you would like the FreeBSD boot manager to offer you
a choice between the XP drive (it'll call this "???" - see the FAQ) and
the FreeBSD drive, install the boot manager on *both*.  There is no
requirement to use FreeBSD's boot manager, though.  Grub from the ports
works nicely (read the online documentation *carefully* first), or GAG is
a very nice, free, just about automagic bootloader.  You can also use the
Windows bootloader - sorry to say I'm familiar with using it to boot
Windows and FreeBSD from the *same* drive, but not two different drives. 
(You are welcome to read the FAQ or online Handbook on this subject.  The
last I did so, its description of the method for using the Windows
bootloader for Windows and FreeBSD on separate drives was sufficiently
unclear to me that I didn't want to try it.)

Short version of the above - use GAG.  :)

> 
> - In case I decide to make the second disk (with FreeBSD) the master
> drive
> some time in the not-so-near future, will it be fairly simple to
> accomplish
> this? Only jumper rearrangement, MBR and fstab editing?

*Only* MBR editing?  And I'm giving *you* advice?  Actually, I can't see
that MBR editing would be necessary with FreeBSD (someone correct me if
I'm wrong here).  Fstab editing would be necessary, yes.  XP may be
unhappy on the second BIOS drive unless you are using a bootloader that
will take care of this pretty automagically, like GAG, or reconfigure
Grub to take care of it (see the Grub documentation re the 'map'
command).

> - Anything else I need to pay particular attention to? Besides backing up
> important files on the XP disk in case something goes wrong.

If you have a CD burner (you mentioned a "CDR" and a "CD/DVD" player, so
I'm not sure), you should consider backing up to something that has no
chance of getting fried by the same mishap that takes out your FreeBSD
disk.

Jud
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Re: Planning a FreeBSD desktop, basic questions.

[Andrew L. Gould]

On Friday 05 September 2003 10:01 am, Michael Vondung wrote:
> Hello!
>
> My apologies for the length of this post. Summary: 4.x or 5.x for a desktop
> machine, disk partitioning for a workstation, miscellaneous installation
> questions.
>
> Okay, the details! Now that I have my local FreeBSD server (mail/news,
> router, firewall) successfully running, I'm ready to tackle my workstation.

Consider running Samba.  This will allow you to backup your files from your 
Windows XP hard drive to your server easily.

> This is currently a system with a P4-2.6Ghz, 512MB RAM, an 80GB EIDE disk,
> and "the usual" devices (CDR, CD/DVD player, network adapter and so on). At
> this time it is running Windows XP, and I plan to keep it where it is. To
> avoid having two operating systems on the same disk, I've purchased an
> identical HD (WD800BB) where FreeBSD will live on. Since I don't download
> movies or obscene amounts of MP3s, this is all a bit spacey. The XP disk
> only uses 35 of 80GB and I doubt the FreeBSD one will even be this "full".
> How times change. :)
>
> 4.8 or 5.1?

Before answering, I have a question for the list:  Am I correct in assuming 
that there is no Security branch or Stable branch for cvsup'ing 5.1?

If the answer to the question above is yes (no Security/Stable branches), I 
would stick with 4.8 and cvsup to Stable unless you need hardware support 
that only exists in 5.1.  (Do you need support for USB 2?)

>
> My "personal server" happily runs 4.8R and will be updated to 4.9 when
> -stable becomes a bit more stable. It consists of older hardware and I
> don't plan to upgrade it to 5.x any time soon, if ever. But what do you
> recommend for the workstation? It doesn't have dual-processors and all of
> its hardware seems to be supported by 4.x. This machine, though, will
> eventually get 5.x. I'm wondering if it makes sense to put 4.8 on it now or
> if it would be a better choice to just go with 5.1R. My primary concern
> here is ease of upgrading. Will it be difficult to go from 4.9 to 5.2,
> somewhere down the road? Mergemaster is a rather scary looking critter.
> Differently put, will there be tools provided to allow this without too
> much fiddling?
>
> Partitions
>
> If anything brings out the perfectionist in me, it is figuring out how to
> partition a disk. What I have in mind for the 80GB FreeBSD disk for the
> workstation is this:
>
> / = 512MB (too spacey, but that should be plenty for future releases)
> swap = 3GB (see notes below)
> /var = 1GB (probably too much, but the room's there)
> /tmp = 1GB (256MB would probably be enough, but why not?)
> /usr = the rest (essentially 74GB)
>
> The machine currently has 512MB of RAM, but since I won't have the
> financial means or desire to get a new complete system in the next two to
> four years, it's possible that I'll upgrade the memory first to 1GB and
> later to 1.5GB if needed or wanted. 3GB would then be an acceptable amount
> of swap space, but I certainly won't need this much right now, and I might
> never. Am I overdoing it, or doesn't it really matter since I don't seem to
> lack storage room anyway?
>
> Then there's this huge /usr partition. 74GB. I thought about splitting this
> between /home and /usr, but I have honestly no idea (and experience) how
> much space I'll end up using where. It probably wouldn't matter since I
> won't need more 30 or 40GB of that space. There's also the possibility that
> I might end up using the second disk (another 80GB one that currently
> belongs to XP) for FreeBSD also. That would then be for /home, if for some
> unexpected reason I should need more space. In other words, I would like to
> keep this option open.
>
> This workstation won't hold "critical" data, so I do not plan on backing up
> entire partitions. If all of this is inefficient and I'm missing the
> obvious, please let me know. Keep in mind that I -am- new to the FreeBSD
> and Unix world. I'm open for suggestions here.
>
> Miscellaneous
>
> - FreeBSD will be on the second disk. Is Sysinstall, if FreeBSD is
> installed on the slave, going to ask if I'd like to put the BootMgr on the
> first drive?
>
> - In case I decide to make the second disk (with FreeBSD) the master drive
> some time in the not-so-near future, will it be fairly simple to accomplish
> this? Only jumper rearrangement, MBR and fstab editing?

No, it's not quite that easy.  When you install the additional hard drive, run 
/stand/sysinstall.  Select the Index option and run the Partition option 
followed by the Label option.  You used these programs when you installed 
FreeBSD.  Since you've obviously survived installation, you have no need to 
worry about this now.

>
> - Anything else I need to pay particular attention to? Besides backing up
> important files on the XP disk in case something goes wrong.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
> Michael

Best of luck,

Andrew Gould
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Planning a FreeBSD desktop, basic questions.

[Michael Vondung]

Hello!

My apologies for the length of this post. Summary: 4.x or 5.x for a desktop
machine, disk partitioning for a workstation, miscellaneous installation
questions.

Okay, the details! Now that I have my local FreeBSD server (mail/news,
router, firewall) successfully running, I'm ready to tackle my workstation.
This is currently a system with a P4-2.6Ghz, 512MB RAM, an 80GB EIDE disk,
and "the usual" devices (CDR, CD/DVD player, network adapter and so on). At
this time it is running Windows XP, and I plan to keep it where it is. To
avoid having two operating systems on the same disk, I've purchased an
identical HD (WD800BB) where FreeBSD will live on. Since I don't download
movies or obscene amounts of MP3s, this is all a bit spacey. The XP disk
only uses 35 of 80GB and I doubt the FreeBSD one will even be this "full".
How times change. :)

4.8 or 5.1?

My "personal server" happily runs 4.8R and will be updated to 4.9 when
-stable becomes a bit more stable. It consists of older hardware and I don't
plan to upgrade it to 5.x any time soon, if ever. But what do you recommend
for the workstation? It doesn't have dual-processors and all of its hardware
seems to be supported by 4.x. This machine, though, will eventually get 5.x.
I'm wondering if it makes sense to put 4.8 on it now or if it would be a
better choice to just go with 5.1R. My primary concern here is ease of
upgrading. Will it be difficult to go from 4.9 to 5.2, somewhere down the
road? Mergemaster is a rather scary looking critter. Differently put, will
there be tools provided to allow this without too much fiddling?

Partitions

If anything brings out the perfectionist in me, it is figuring out how to
partition a disk. What I have in mind for the 80GB FreeBSD disk for the
workstation is this:

/ = 512MB (too spacey, but that should be plenty for future releases)
swap = 3GB (see notes below)
/var = 1GB (probably too much, but the room's there)
/tmp = 1GB (256MB would probably be enough, but why not?)
/usr = the rest (essentially 74GB)

The machine currently has 512MB of RAM, but since I won't have the financial
means or desire to get a new complete system in the next two to four years,
it's possible that I'll upgrade the memory first to 1GB and later to 1.5GB
if needed or wanted. 3GB would then be an acceptable amount of swap space,
but I certainly won't need this much right now, and I might never. Am I
overdoing it, or doesn't it really matter since I don't seem to lack storage
room anyway?

Then there's this huge /usr partition. 74GB. I thought about splitting this
between /home and /usr, but I have honestly no idea (and experience) how
much space I'll end up using where. It probably wouldn't matter since I
won't need more 30 or 40GB of that space. There's also the possibility that
I might end up using the second disk (another 80GB one that currently
belongs to XP) for FreeBSD also. That would then be for /home, if for some
unexpected reason I should need more space. In other words, I would like to
keep this option open.

This workstation won't hold "critical" data, so I do not plan on backing up
entire partitions. If all of this is inefficient and I'm missing the
obvious, please let me know. Keep in mind that I -am- new to the FreeBSD and
Unix world. I'm open for suggestions here.

Miscellaneous

- FreeBSD will be on the second disk. Is Sysinstall, if FreeBSD is installed
on the slave, going to ask if I'd like to put the BootMgr on the first
drive?

- In case I decide to make the second disk (with FreeBSD) the master drive
some time in the not-so-near future, will it be fairly simple to accomplish
this? Only jumper rearrangement, MBR and fstab editing?

- Anything else I need to pay particular attention to? Besides backing up
important files on the XP disk in case something goes wrong.

Thanks!

Cheers,
Michael


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