Re: [Freedos-user] freedos on vmware
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Russell Button wrote: RB >Jim Hall wrote: RB >> I run Fedora Core 6. I do have VMWare, but I don't often boot DOS in RB >> it. Most of my FreeDOS work is done under Linux DOSEmu. I think you RB >> should be able to do it in Linux DOSEmu. At least, I believe it RB >> solves most of what you are looking for: RB >> RB > RB >Y'know, I hadn't thought of trying it under DOSEmu. I tried to fire up RB >one of my dos apps under DOSEmu once a couple of years ago and couldn't RB >make sense of the documentation. I had the same experience last year but dosemu has been greatly imporved as it now works on my system without my doing anything except letting Ubuntu synaptice package manager install the update. Xdosemu worked much better for me (thanks Eric) than dosemu. I have Ubuntu Edgie RB > RB >The advantages you suggest make it a winner if I can figure it out. RB >I'll go take a look at this approach. I'm certainly not wedded to vmware. RB > RB >Russ RB > RB > RB > RB > RB >- RB >Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT RB >Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your RB >opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash RB >http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV RB >___ RB >Freedos-user mailing list RB >Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net RB >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user RB > ~~~ Bonnie Dalzell, MA mail:5100 Hydes Rd Hydes MD USA 21082-EMAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED] freelance anatomist, vertebrate paleontologist, writer, illustrator, dog breeder, computer nerd & iconoclast... Borzoi info at www.borzois.com. Editor Net.Pet Online Animal Magazine - http://www.netpetmagazine.com HOME http://www.qis.net/~borzoi/ BUSINESS http://www.batw.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos on vmware
Hi Bernd, > [...] HTTP/FTP downloads through packet driver (Wget), What version do you use? does it work ok? On the net I found wget182b-1.zip wput031.zip I was in need tof developing them!!! What would I use for sending emails (with attachement file) Thanks, Alain - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos on vmware
Eric Auer schreef: > Hi Russell, > > dosemu is probably the answer to most of your questions :-). > > Get the new unstable version from the site, > most Linux distros only include older versions. > I've had DOS networking running on VmWare Workstation, both the SMB (MS Network Client) and HTTP/FTP downloads through packet driver (Wget), trying to boot from network bootdisk image and then 'downloading' and 'mounting' a FreeDOS ISO image. Don't ask me for specific details please, been out of DOS experimentation for about a year now, playing World of Warcraft quite a lot instead. VmWare has AMD PCnet network card, and its BIOS allows PXE since v5.xx There was a win32 TFTP server but can't recall its name right now. Bernd - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos on vmware
Hi Russell, dosemu is probably the answer to most of your questions :-). Get the new unstable version from the site, most Linux distros only include older versions. > I'm running vmware server under Ubuntu Linux 6.06 (Dapper Drake). > I've been able to create a vm to host freedos and to get it loaded > and running. Dosemu is even easier - it lets you open DOS windows in Linux. > 1. Get IP networking running on the freedos VM. That is a bit complicated in dosemu but there are howtos online. > 2. Be able to transfer data in and out of it to my Linux > environment - ftp? scp? In dosemu, you can define any directory of Linux to be used as a drive letter for DOS. > 3. Be able to telnet in from an xterm of arbitrary size and run the > apps from a window larger than 640x480 You can run dosemu both in a terminal and as graphical xdosemu. The latter supports VGA and VESA graphics for DOS and can be used remotely via the usual "ssh with X forwarding" way. > 4. It would be great if I could print to a networked HP Laserjet > from the VM as well. You can tell dosemu to forward text printed to the LPTn of DOS to any printer queue of your Linux printing system. Eric :-) PS: Dosemu also runs fast and uses little resources RAM and CPU wise. When you load FDAPM APMDOS in DOS, even more CPU is saved. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos on vmware
Jim Hall wrote: > I run Fedora Core 6. I do have VMWare, but I don't often boot DOS in > it. Most of my FreeDOS work is done under Linux DOSEmu. I think you > should be able to do it in Linux DOSEmu. At least, I believe it > solves most of what you are looking for: > Is there a how-to cookbook someone can point me at? Russ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos on vmware
Jim Hall wrote: > I run Fedora Core 6. I do have VMWare, but I don't often boot DOS in > it. Most of my FreeDOS work is done under Linux DOSEmu. I think you > should be able to do it in Linux DOSEmu. At least, I believe it > solves most of what you are looking for: > Y'know, I hadn't thought of trying it under DOSEmu. I tried to fire up one of my dos apps under DOSEmu once a couple of years ago and couldn't make sense of the documentation. The advantages you suggest make it a winner if I can figure it out. I'll go take a look at this approach. I'm certainly not wedded to vmware. Russ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 10, Issue 13
Probably he is blocking everything. When I sent my note, I got a message about the spam-blocking protocol in use at sobyland, and had to complete a "ticket" to be allowed to send email there. In the end, I'm not sure that my email made it through, but I jumped through the hoops presented to me, so if it failed I guess there's not I can do. I did the best I could to give fair warning. -jh On 3/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Jim Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:59:35 -0500: > > # I sent an off-list warning to this user, but have not received a > # reply. I am giving him(her?) until the weekend to fix it, then I'm > # going to unsubscribe the sobyland user. > > Hehe, glad that someone's e-mail can go through to that domain - I > tried from three different accounts and they all came back with > that same warning. I assumed it was just blocking everything :) > > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos on vmware
I run Fedora Core 6. I do have VMWare, but I don't often boot DOS in it. Most of my FreeDOS work is done under Linux DOSEmu. I think you should be able to do it in Linux DOSEmu. At least, I believe it solves most of what you are looking for: 1. I haven't needed networking under DOS, so I haven't tried this. The dosemu.conf file does mention "tap" or "direct" networking, so you should be able to. I just don't need it, so haven't even tried. :-( 2. With DOSEmu, your C: drive is just a directory in your Linux $HOME, so you immediately have access to them under Linux. :-) 3. You won't be able to use telnet/ssh to run GUI DOS apps. And it looks like XDOSEmu assumes local X - there aren't options available to give it a remote X display. However, I regularly play Quake under XDOSEmu (in an X window) at 1024x768 resolution on my 1280x1024 monitor. So there shouldn't be a problem running at a res larger than 640x480. :-) 4. DOSEmu automatically maps LPT1: to your default printer, so you should be able to print. I just tried it as an example, and it works fine. :-) -jh On 3/23/07, Russell Button <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm running vmware server under Ubuntu Linux 6.06 (Dapper Drake). > > I've been able to create a vm to host freedos and to get it loaded and > running. > > So far, so good. > > The reason I'm interested in running freedos is that I have a couple of > old dos apps I want to run: > > Framework - from Aston-Tate > Geoworks 2.0 > > Here are the things I want to do next: > > 1. Get IP networking running on the freedos VM. > 2. Be able to transfer data in and out of it to my Linux environment - > ftp? scp? > 3. Be able to telnet in from an xterm of arbitrary size and run the > apps from a window larger than 640x480 > 4. It would be great if I could print to a networked HP Laserjet from > the VM as well. > > I have no idea how much of this can or cannot be done. > > Russ > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos on vmware
Some of these can be done... Russell Button escreveu: > I'm running vmware server under Ubuntu Linux 6.06 (Dapper Drake). Nice :) > 1. Get IP networking running on the freedos VM. What can be doen is install Windows client for dos (It is free), you will have to find the driver for the board emulated by VMware. I know it can be done, but didn't have time to do it... > 2. Be able to transfer data in and out of it to my Linux environment - > ftp? scp? With the network above, using Samba. Or: there is a ftp for DOS, you can use it a packet driver (if you don find it, I can send you one) > 3. Be able to telnet in from an xterm of arbitrary size and run the > apps from a window larger than 640x480 probably NO! this is standard DOS limitation > 4. It would be great if I could print to a networked HP Laserjet from > the VM as well. This probably can be done :) but it is not easy. I do it in Dosemu using GhostPcl: http://www.artifex.com/downloads/ it takes a Laserjet fila as input and outputs it to any Linux printer. What I am not sure is if you can make VMware sent printer output to a file or Linux program. You should try dosemu with FreeDOS, some things are simpler there ;-) only one thing I know that cannot work: network file locking has problems... Alain - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] freedos on vmware
I'm running vmware server under Ubuntu Linux 6.06 (Dapper Drake). I've been able to create a vm to host freedos and to get it loaded and running. So far, so good. The reason I'm interested in running freedos is that I have a couple of old dos apps I want to run: Framework - from Aston-Tate Geoworks 2.0 Here are the things I want to do next: 1. Get IP networking running on the freedos VM. 2. Be able to transfer data in and out of it to my Linux environment - ftp? scp? 3. Be able to telnet in from an xterm of arbitrary size and run the apps from a window larger than 640x480 4. It would be great if I could print to a networked HP Laserjet from the VM as well. I have no idea how much of this can or cannot be done. Russ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 10, Issue 13
"Jim Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:59:35 -0500: # I sent an off-list warning to this user, but have not received a # reply. I am giving him(her?) until the weekend to fix it, then I'm # going to unsubscribe the sobyland user. Hehe, glad that someone's e-mail can go through to that domain - I tried from three different accounts and they all came back with that same warning. I assumed it was just blocking everything :) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos installation on dos partition on linux system
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Eric Auer wrote: Thank you for your replies. My main harddrive was set up this way: hda1 a fat 32 1/gig partition - no os in it hda2 - a hardfile for use with the x86 amiga OS emulator AMIthlon hda3 - ubuntu gnu/linux ext3 hda4 - linux swap the boot for the system is out of menu.lst in the boot subdirectory of hda3 and the amithlon isolinux kernel resides there as well as the linux kernel. i have used this method of booting since i installed linux which was installed from the ubuntu extras cd not the regular ubuntu cd Since I already had a small Fat32 partition as hda1 which was not being used to boot anything I did copy freedos from the standalone harddrive to hda1. Then I opened menu.ls and edited in a menu choice as Eric described: title FreeDOS # hd0,0 would be what Linux calls hda1, read the docs: root (hd0,0) makeactive chainloader +1 It worked without my haviing to go back to the Freedos CD and try to install from the CD. I really appreciate Freedos and the help from this list. ~~~ Bonnie Dalzell, MA mail:5100 Hydes Rd Hydes MD USA 21082-EMAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED] freelance anatomist, vertebrate paleontologist, writer, illustrator, dog breeder, computer nerd & iconoclast... Borzoi info at www.borzois.com. Editor Net.Pet Online Animal Magazine - http://www.netpetmagazine.com HOME http://www.qis.net/~borzoi/ BUSINESS http://www.batw.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos installation on dos partition on linux system
Hi Bonnie, I recommend to use a normal file, not /dev/fd0, to save the mbr. Of course you should put a copy of the file in a place where you can reach it if your Linux cannot boot from harddisk. To backup the mbr of the second harddisk, use /dev/hdb instead of /dev/hda, and so on. a / b are primary ide master / slave, and c / d are secondary ide master / slave. However, dd is a dangerous command to use, so you should read the docs and double-check for typos. > > the freedos installation from the cd says soemthing about the > > installation on a harddrive overwriting the os so i was very nervous What exactly does it say? FreeDOS can only install to FAT partitions, so all Linux and Windows-NTFS partitions are ignored anyway. You should not use FDISK or similar tools during install, unless you know very well what you are doing. It is much better to use Linux or Windows tools for that, as they are powerful and easy to use. If you already have a (preferrably primary, otherwise the boot loader config will be tricky) FAT partition, then there is no need to change the partitioning at all. So... if you have a FAT partition, and it should be a FAT16 one (FAT12 are too small and FAT32 are sometimes hard to make bootable, but you CAN use FAT32), a LBA one if it is not entirely in the first 8 GB of the disk, then the FreeDOS installer should automatically do the rest. It will create a directory for FreeDOS, try to find out if another DOS or Windows is already on the partition, and try to set up a boot menu. If the boot menu setup fails, it might happen that you can only boot FreeDOS but not the other system afterwards. You can usually fix this by using a boot disk of the other system to make the other system bootable again, but then FreeDOS will not be bootable any more... ;-). > > i can just copy freedos from the standalone harddrive to the dos > > partition. will that work if i can figure out how then to use > > chain load to have GRUB present the dos partition as a boot choice. It is easier to use LILO instead of GRUB for that... A sample GRUB config snippet from this list, plus comments: title FreeDOS # hd0,0 would be what Linux calls hda1, read the docs: root (hd0,0) # not needed: # makeactive # to use a file: chainloader /somedir/freedos.bss # to just boot the main OS of that partition: # chainloader +1 boot Normally you can use whatever your Linux config center creates when you select something like "add 'Windows'". To make a partition boot FreeDOS INSTEAD of what it booted before, just run FreeDOS SYS X: (to do that with the X: partition). Check which partitions are which drive letter for DOS first. To only ADD FreeDOS to a boot menu instead, leaving the old operating system unchanged, use something like "SYS X: freedos.bss bootonly". Read the SYS /? output for the exact syntax. This will only save a boot sector to file freedos.bss, and you can tell LiLo, Grub or the Windows NT/2000/XP/2003 boot menu to use that file as chainloader. Note that bootonly means that kernel,sys and command.com will NOT be copied. Copy the kernel manually (with COPY) and put command.com in the FreeDOS directory, so it will not overwrite the command.com of your Windows. If your other operating system also uses config and autoexec, and you want a different configuration for FreeDOS, create a fdconfig,sys file for FreeDOS and fill it with whatever FreeDOS should use instead of the config,sys contents. You can combine that with a shell command like SHELL=c:\fdos\bin\command.com c:\fdos\bin /e:512 /p=fdauto. bat to also make FreeDOS use another file instead of the normal autoexec. So you can keep all config separate from your other DOS or Windows operating system. Note that you will not normally have to do anything of this manually, as the installer should do it for you automatically. IF that fails, make sure to have a boot disk of your other DOS / Windows operating system around, for the repair described above. Eric - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos installation on dos partition on linux system
You should backup your boot/mbr sector first to a blank floppy with following command: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1 because if after installing freedos on that dos partition lilo or grub dont come up next boot than you can restore it with dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 --chris http://nxdos.sourceforge.net/ > Original Message > Subject: [Freedos-user] freedos installation on dos partition on linux > system > From: Bonnie Dalzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, March 22, 2007 6:06 pm > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > the freedos installation from the cd says soemthing about the > installation > on a harddrive overwriting the os so i was very nervous about trying to > install freedos on my main harddrive in the dos partition. i do not care > if i overwrite everything in that partition but i do not want to trash > my linux installation. > > i can just copy freedos from the standalone harddrive to the dos > partition. will that work if i can figure out how then to use > chain load to have GRUB present the dos partition as a boot choice. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
