Re: WordPerfect file format Was Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
Hi, A bit going too far offtopic, but *very* interesting (for me) at the same time. Any chance for the Lotus WordPro format? (LWP). After the plain and nice format of the Lotus AmiPro files (SAM), WordPro seems to have some sort of binary compressed format, that I have seen documented nowhere, and no open source drivers at all (for OO, etc) What about the rest of SmartSuite? (1-2-3, Freelance Graphics, Approach,...) Aitor Kenneth J. Davis escribió: Wesley Parish wrote: ... In relation to that, does anyone know where I can find the specifications of the native WordPerfect file format? And suchlike? I know O'Reilly's had something of the sort, and there might have been something similar published somewhere else - but I don't know where to get copies. Thanks Wesley Parish Corel publishes a WordPefect SDK, it might have the spec or at minimal will help in understanding the file format. You should look at libwpd, it is a library (unfortunately uses GSF which is GLIB based) for reading Word Perfect files. (It is used for AbiWord, and OpenOffice as well.) It mostly supports WordPerfect 6 through 11, though it does have some support for WP 4 5. See http:/libwpd.sourceforge.net for more/better information, their link page includes the url for the Corel SDK. Jeremy --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:34, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Theresa, snip FreeDos is legal, isn't it? FreeDOS is completely free and legal, written by volunteers all over the world. Even some of the GUIs are completely free and legal, while others are not free. The above should tell you that many people do not give a damn about copying MS Windows or MS Office from their neighbours, but it is certainly illegal. There are various legal alternatives: Use OpenOffice.org, which is free and legal, pay 100s of bucks for a legal copy of MS Office, or buy it bundled with a new PC, in which case it costs only a fraction of the normal price. Exactly the same happens for Windows: As an alternative, you can use Linux, BeOS Zeta, FreeBSD or any other free operating system (including FreeDOS), but you can also buy it for quite some money, or buy it bundled with a new PC or at least piece of hardware. The bundled price for WinXP Home is around 100 Euros as far as I remember. I've been very impressed lately by some of the missed opportunities in early Win31/Win95 Office Suites and DOS WordProcessors. A complete Office Suite that fits on less than 9MB hard disk space - I like! In relation to that, does anyone know where I can find the specifications of the native WordPerfect file format? And suchlike? I know O'Reilly's had something of the sort, and there might have been something similar published somewhere else - but I don't know where to get copies. Thanks Wesley Parish In either case, WinXP and MS Office are far too heavy for your very old laptop. So you can only use it with Win95 or at most Win98se. In Germany, it is legal to sell 2nd hand copies of any Windows version, as long as you REALLY sell it (give everything to the one who buys it, and delete everything on your own PC: You must MOVE it to the new owner, not COPY it...), but in other countries, it can happen that a Windows license is glued to a human being or PC forever, even if the PC falls apart into a pile of rusty dust. Anyway. You can buy 2nd hand copies of Win95 for 20something and of Win98se for 40something $$. You wrote that your laptop already has Win95 installed anyway. If you have a legal copy, e.g. have the license certificate around, then you can probably ask MS to send you a new CD-ROM if you have lost the original one. And, at least my personal feeling tells me this, nobody would complain if you use the CD- ROM of Win95 of somebody else to install drivers on the Win95 which you already legally own, even if you no longer have the original CD-ROM. I hope that answers some of your questions. Eric. PS: Please do make sure that you configure your EMail program to send mail only as plain text. At the moment, you use HTML, which is pretty unstylish for mailing lists / not nice and easy to read. snip -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
WordPerfect file format Was Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
Wesley Parish wrote: ... In relation to that, does anyone know where I can find the specifications of the native WordPerfect file format? And suchlike? I know O'Reilly's had something of the sort, and there might have been something similar published somewhere else - but I don't know where to get copies. Thanks Wesley Parish Corel publishes a WordPefect SDK, it might have the spec or at minimal will help in understanding the file format. You should look at libwpd, it is a library (unfortunately uses GSF which is GLIB based) for reading Word Perfect files. (It is used for AbiWord, and OpenOffice as well.) It mostly supports WordPerfect 6 through 11, though it does have some support for WP 4 5. See http:/libwpd.sourceforge.net for more/better information, their link page includes the url for the Corel SDK. Jeremy --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: WordPerfect file format Was Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
Hi, A bit going too far offtopic, but *very* interesting (for me) at the same time. Any chance for the Lotus WordPro format? (LWP). After the plain and nice format of the Lotus AmiPro files (SAM), WordPro seems to have some sort of binary compressed format, that I have seen documented nowhere, and no open source drivers at all (for OO, etc) What about the rest of SmartSuite? (1-2-3, Freelance Graphics, Approach,...) Aitor Kenneth J. Davis escribió: Wesley Parish wrote: ... In relation to that, does anyone know where I can find the specifications of the native WordPerfect file format? And suchlike? I know O'Reilly's had something of the sort, and there might have been something similar published somewhere else - but I don't know where to get copies. Thanks Wesley Parish Corel publishes a WordPefect SDK, it might have the spec or at minimal will help in understanding the file format. You should look at libwpd, it is a library (unfortunately uses GSF which is GLIB based) for reading Word Perfect files. (It is used for AbiWord, and OpenOffice as well.) It mostly supports WordPerfect 6 through 11, though it does have some support for WP 4 5. See http:/libwpd.sourceforge.net for more/better information, their link page includes the url for the Corel SDK. Jeremy --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
Is there a screen shot of FreeDos? I am new to programming but very interested in giving it a shot but a little timid about disabling my laptop. How do I find the necessary drivers?Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Theresa, according to WWW, a Dell Lattitude 433c can have e.g.4 MB RAM, 170 MB harddisk, 486sx processor with 33 MHz.Some have as much as 20 MB RAM, 250 MB harddisk.You write that you run it with Win95 but have no OS disks for it.For Linux, even with a simple fvwm2 GUI, 16-20 MB RAM are not much,and things will often get slow because not enough RAM is free. Andharddisks below 1 GB size have pretty much reached the end of theirlifespan by now. After all, they are mechanical devices.If you know how to use DOS, then this laptop can run many classicgames and apps for you with FreeDOS. You could even install Windows 3.1on it, although only the standard mode will run in FreeDOS yet...Other useful GUIs (graphical user interfaces) are OpenGEM, SEAL andDesktop2. You should check their homepages which are linked fromhttp://www.freedos.org/freedos/links/GEM looks like that:http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/screenshots.htmlDesktop2:http://wwwisg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~fritter/bdy-desktop.htmlSEAL:http://sealsystem.sourceforge.net/screenshots.phpCommon to all 3 systems is that you leave the nice user interfacewhile classic programs are running (i.e. they are not opened ina window, but full-screen). Only native (e.g. written for SEAL)programs run in windows. GEM is probably the system which has themost native programs. And, of course, Windows 3, but that one isnot freeware. By the way, Windows for Workgroups does NOT run inany USEFUL way under FreeDOS yet.If you want to go online with your laptop, and you canfind a suitable modem (or driver for internal modem, ifany), you should try Arachne. Will not be very fast on a486sx (especially as SXes do not even have a floatingpoint unit) but it can do www, ftp and email.If you prefer to get a fresh Win95 or Win98se for the laptop,those are usually around 2x or 4x USD respectively 2nd hand price,but even Win98se will be a bit much for that old hardware, andmight be a bit big for such a small harddisk.Eric---SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product GuideRead honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users.Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click___Freedos-user mailing listFreedos-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
I do not have a cd-rom, can the download fit on floppyEric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Theresa, Is there a screen shot of FreeDos?DOS itself has very boring looks. But you can install e.g.OpenGEM, SEAL or Desktop2 on it, and then the it will look,of course, like OpenGEM, SEAL or Desktop2. All those need DOSas the operating system under the hood, and FreeDOS is a DOS.I made a quick screenshot anyway:http://www.coli.uni-sb.de/~eric/freedos-boot.pngWhat you see on this image is various messages from drivers, tellingyou that they loaded okay at boot time,a prompt whether I want some "lredir" driver to run, and finallythe classic "C:\" prompt which tells me that I can now type commands.If it feels familiar, fine. If not, then you will probably want toenter just a single command: Start the graphical user interface of yourchoice and stay in there, so you do not have to see the text screen...The screen shot was taken inside DOSEMU, which is a virtual PC (runningin a window in Linux in this case) in which I have installed FreeDOS.Without that, FreeDOS would just run full screen, not in a window. I am new to programming but very interested in giving it a shot...You do not have to do "programming" to use DOS. But unless you use a GUI,everything in DOS is controlled by the keyboard, not the mouse. but a little timid about disabling my laptop.If you install FreeDOS from CD-ROM, it should automatically create aboot menu which allows you to select between Win95 and FreeDOS eachtime when you start the laptop (I assume that your Win95 is still workingokay, otherwise there would of course be no Win95 menu entry needed). How do I find the necessary drivers?You do not need drivers for keyboard and display, and the default mousedriver of FreeDOS works with many common mou se types. You do not needdrivers for harddisk or diskette either. For everything else, you wouldhave to tell us what hardware exactly you have, then we can tell youwhich drivers we can recommend. Some people just snag the files off another old computer and copy them over, because it works. However, it robs the shareholders of Microsoft Corporation by depriving an ebay vendor of a $10 sale, and that's why it is illegal. FreeDos is legal, isn't it?FreeDOS is completely free and legal, written by volunteers all overthe world. Even some of the GUIs are completely free and legal, whileothers are not free. The above should tell you that many people do notgive a damn about copying MS Windows or MS Office from their neighbours,but it is certainly illegal. There are various legal alternatives:Use OpenOffice.org, which is free and legal, pay 100s of bucks for aleg al copy of MS Office, or buy it bundled with a new PC, in which caseit costs only a fraction of the normal price. Exactly the same happensfor Windows: As an alternative, you can use Linux, BeOS Zeta, FreeBSD orany other free operating system (including FreeDOS), but you can alsobuy it for quite some money, or buy it bundled with a new PC or at least"piece of hardware". The bundled price for WinXP Home is around 100 Eurosas far as I remember.In either case, WinXP and MS Office are far too "heavy" for your veryold laptop. So you can only use it with Win95 or at most Win98se. InGermany, it is legal to sell 2nd hand copies of any Windows version,as long as you REALLY sell it (give everything to the one who buys it,and delete everything on your own PC: You must MOVE it to the new owner,not COPY it...), but in other countries, it can happen that a Windowslicense is glued to a human being or PC forever, even if the PC fallsapart i nto a pile of rusty dust. Anyway. You can buy 2nd hand copies ofWin95 for 20something and of Win98se for 40something $$. You wrote thatyour laptop already has Win95 installed anyway. If you have a legal copy,e.g. have the license certificate around, then you can probably ask MS tosend you a new CD-ROM if you have lost the original one. And, at least mypersonal feeling tells me this, nobody would complain if you use the CD-ROM of Win95 of somebody else to install drivers on the Win95 which youalready legally own, even if you no longer have the original CD-ROM.I hope that answers some of your questions.Eric.PS: Please do make sure that you configure your EMail program to sendmail only as plain text. At the moment, you use HTML, which is pretty"unstylish" for mailing lists / not nice and easy to read.---SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users.Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click___Freedos-user mailing listFreedos-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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There is an ODIN (one disk INstall) available on the website, so yes. It's going to be minimalist, but the download to install freedos does not fit on floppies yet. And I don't know if there will be a floppy install set... - Original Message - From: Theresa Westbrook To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:17 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question I do not have a cd-rom, can the download fit on floppyEric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Theresa, Is there a screen shot of FreeDos?DOS itself has very boring looks. But you can install e.g.OpenGEM, SEAL or Desktop2 on it, and then the it will look,of course, like OpenGEM, SEAL or Desktop2. All those need DOSas the operating system under the hood, and FreeDOS is a DOS.I made a quick screenshot anyway:http://www.coli.uni-sb.de/~eric/freedos-boot.pngWhat you see on this image is various messages from drivers, tellingyou that they loaded okay at boot time,a prompt whether I want some "lredir" driver to run, and finallythe classic "C:\" prompt which tells me that I can now type commands.If it feels familiar, fine. If not, then you will probably want toenter just a single command: Start the graphical user interface of yourchoice and stay in there, so you do not have to see the text screen...The screen shot was taken inside DOSEMU, which is a virtual PC (runningin a window in Linux in this case) in which I have installed FreeDOS.Without that, FreeDOS would just run full screen, not in a window. I am new to programming but very interested in giving it a shot...You do not have to do "programming" to use DOS. But unless you use a GUI,everything in DOS is controlled by the keyboard, not the mouse. but a little timid about disabling my laptop.If you install FreeDOS from CD-ROM, it should automatically create aboot menu which allows you to select between Win95 and FreeDOS eachtime when you start the laptop (I assume that your Win95 is still workingokay, otherwise there would of course be no Win95 menu entry needed). How do I find the necessary drivers?You do not need drivers for keyboard and display, and the default mousedriver of FreeDOS works with many common mou se types. You do not needdrivers for harddisk or diskette either. For everything else, you wouldhave to tell us what hardware exactly you have, then we can tell youwhich drivers we can recommend. Some people just snag the files off another old computer and copy them over, because it works. However, it robs the shareholders of Microsoft Corporation by depriving an ebay vendor of a $10 sale, and that's why it is illegal. FreeDos is legal, isn't it?FreeDOS is completely free and legal, written by volunteers all overthe world. Even some of the GUIs are completely free and legal, whileothers are not free. The above should tell you that many people do notgive a damn about copying MS Windows or MS Office from their neighbours,but it is certainly illegal. There are various legal alternatives:Use OpenOffice.org, which is free and legal, pay 100s of bucks for aleg al copy of MS Office, or buy it bundled with a new PC, in which caseit costs only a fraction of the normal price. Exactly the same happensfor Windows: As an alternative, you can use Linux, BeOS Zeta, FreeBSD orany other free operating system (including FreeDOS), but you can alsobuy it for quite some money, or buy it bundled with a new PC or at least"piece of hardware". The bundled price for WinXP Home is around 100 Eurosas far as I remember.In either case, WinXP and MS Office are far too "heavy" for your veryold laptop. So you can only use it with Win95 or at most Win98se. InGermany, it is legal to sell 2nd hand copies of any Windows version,as long as you REALLY sell it (give everything to the one who buys it,and delete everything on your own PC: You must MOVE it to the new owner,not COPY it...), but in other countries, it can happen that a Windowslicense is glued to a human being or PC forever, even if the PC fallsapart i nto a pile of rusty dust. Anyway. You can buy 2nd hand copies ofWin95 for 20something and of Win98se for 40something $$. You wrote thatyour laptop already has Win95 installed anyway. If you have a legal copy,e.g. have the license certificate around, then you can probably ask MS tosend you a new CD-ROM if you have lost the original one. And, at least mypersonal feeling tells me this, nobody would complain if you use the CD-ROM of Win95 of somebody else to install drivers on the Win95 which youalready legally own, even if you no longer have the original CD-ROM.I hope that answers some of your questio
[Freedos-user] Re: Question
Theresa, PLEASE configure your mail program to use ONLY TEXT, NO HTML... In addition, if you write only ONE line of an answer, do NOT quote the ENTIRE mail in your reply. Thanks. Now about Nicholas' comment: There is an ODIN (one disk INstall) available on the website, so yes. = It's going to be minimalist, but the download to install freedos does = not fit on floppies yet. And I don't know if there will be a floppy = install set... You CAN install FreeDOS with diskettes, as clearly explained on the download page. If you do not want to install the source codes, you only need THREE diskettes for that: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/beta9sr1/disksets/1440KB/ You need b9base01 and b9base02 with the actual data files (base02 might be called diskette 5-8 by the installer, as it counts in 360k units) and also b9boot01 to boot the computer and start the install process. You should select monochrome / text mode installation, as the SVGA nice- graphical-eye-candy installation only works on newer computers. Eric PS: http://www.freedos.org/freedos/files/ mentions some fdos1440 diskette. That one is meant ONLY to start the install process, usually by accessing the CD-ROM or the copied contents of the CD-ROM. Useful if you cannot boot from CD-ROM or cannot connect CD-ROM and diskette drive at the same time. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Hello there strangers, The wiki site for Fd-doc is almost ready and I though it would be nice to have your opinions, comments and help, before it goes public. So here is the address: http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/pmwiki.php Spread the word. :) Carlos --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Re: Question
Hi Theresa, according to WWW, a Dell Lattitude 433c can have e.g. 4 MB RAM, 170 MB harddisk, 486sx processor with 33 MHz. Some have as much as 20 MB RAM, 250 MB harddisk. You write that you run it with Win95 but have no OS disks for it. For Linux, even with a simple fvwm2 GUI, 16-20 MB RAM are not much, and things will often get slow because not enough RAM is free. And harddisks below 1 GB size have pretty much reached the end of their lifespan by now. After all, they are mechanical devices. If you know how to use DOS, then this laptop can run many classic games and apps for you with FreeDOS. You could even install Windows 3.1 on it, although only the standard mode will run in FreeDOS yet... Other useful GUIs (graphical user interfaces) are OpenGEM, SEAL and Desktop2. You should check their homepages which are linked from http://www.freedos.org/freedos/links/ GEM looks like that: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/screenshots.html Desktop2: http://wwwisg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~fritter/bdy-desktop.html SEAL: http://sealsystem.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php Common to all 3 systems is that you leave the nice user interface while classic programs are running (i.e. they are not opened in a window, but full-screen). Only native (e.g. written for SEAL) programs run in windows. GEM is probably the system which has the most native programs. And, of course, Windows 3, but that one is not freeware. By the way, Windows for Workgroups does NOT run in any USEFUL way under FreeDOS yet. If you want to go online with your laptop, and you can find a suitable modem (or driver for internal modem, if any), you should try Arachne. Will not be very fast on a 486sx (especially as SXes do not even have a floating point unit) but it can do www, ftp and email. If you prefer to get a fresh Win95 or Win98se for the laptop, those are usually around 2x or 4x USD respectively 2nd hand price, but even Win98se will be a bit much for that old hardware, and might be a bit big for such a small harddisk. Eric --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
I have a d link pcmia, can I get online with dsl on freedos?Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Theresa, according to WWW, a Dell Lattitude 433c can have e.g.4 MB RAM, 170 MB harddisk, 486sx processor with 33 MHz.Some have as much as 20 MB RAM, 250 MB harddisk.You write that you run it with Win95 but have no OS disks for it.For Linux, even with a simple fvwm2 GUI, 16-20 MB RAM are not much,and things will often get slow because not enough RAM is free. Andharddisks below 1 GB size have pretty much reached the end of theirlifespan by now. After all, they are mechanical devices.If you know how to use DOS, then this laptop can run many classicgames and apps for you with FreeDOS. You could even install Windows 3.1on it, although only the standard mode will run in FreeDOS yet...Other useful GUIs (graphical user interfaces) are OpenGEM, SEAL andDesktop2. You should check their homepages which are linked fromhttp://www.freedos.org/freedos/links/GEM looks like that:http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/screenshots.htmlDesktop2:http://wwwisg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~fritter/bdy-desktop.htmlSEAL:http://sealsystem.sourceforge.net/screenshots.phpCommon to all 3 systems is that you leave the nice user interfacewhile classic programs are running (i.e. they are not opened ina window, but full-screen). Only native (e.g. written for SEAL)programs run in windows. GEM is probably the system which has themost native programs. And, of course, Windows 3, but that one isnot freeware. By the way, Windows for Workgroups does NOT run inany USEFUL way under FreeDOS yet.If you want to go online with your laptop, and you canfind a suitable modem (or driver for internal modem, ifany), you should try Arachne. Will not be very fast on a486sx (especially as SXes do not even have a floatingpoint unit) but it can do www, ftp and email.If you prefer to get a fresh Win95 or Win98se for the laptop,those are usually around 2x or 4x USD respectively 2nd hand price,but even Win98se will be a bit much for that old hardware, andmight be a bit big for such a small harddisk.Eric---SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product GuideRead honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users.Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click___Freedos-user mailing listFreedos-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Re: Question: How to use CMedia CM8738 sound in DOS?
Hi Nicholas, thanks for informing me that CMI sound chips suck. I agree with you on that by now :-). Lucho has sent me his drivers (initializers) for DOS, and my SB AWE32 diagnostics tool got happy after using them, even played sample sounds, but most games still only worked Adlib- or OPL3-wise. The normal DSP wave sound output with DMA still only sounded silence, or the games simply failed to detect the card at all. Whatever. Point for CMedia is that the Linux driver worked just fine, but for now, I switched back to ISA sound cards on my old PC again. If you know a PCI or onboard sound card which works REALLY good with DOS games, let us know ;-). Otherwise I guess I would just get a really FAST PC as soon as I stop using ISA - then I can let all DOS games run in emulators, and use PLAIN DOS only for non-funny stuff or for mp3 (MPXPLAY has native CMedia and AC97 drivers built-in...). Eric PS: Okay, SOME games worked, but that had taken days to figure out. Not exactly what CMedia TELLS that their chip would offer compatibility-wise. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question: How to use CMedia CM8738 sound in DOS?
Hi Eric, You have a CMI8738 where the OPL cell actually works? This is news to me and my contact at C-media would very much like to know about this. As far as we knew, only CMI8338 has a working OPL. All the CMI8738 samples I can locate have OPL that either sounds silence, or the output is all randomly mixed up and wrong. Can you send me lspci -vvv? And maybe a little sample output from an Adlib prog? :) BTW, this web page might help you: http://www.it-he.org/sound.htm Ryan On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 10:03:15PM +0100, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Nicholas, thanks for informing me that CMI sound chips suck. I agree with you on that by now :-). Lucho has sent me his drivers (initializers) for DOS, and my SB AWE32 diagnostics tool got happy after using them, even played sample sounds, but most games still only worked Adlib- or OPL3-wise. The normal DSP wave sound output with DMA still only sounded silence, or the games simply failed to detect the card at all. Whatever. Point for CMedia is that the Linux driver worked just fine, but for now, I switched back to ISA sound cards on my old PC again. If you know a PCI or onboard sound card which works REALLY good with DOS games, let us know ;-). Otherwise I guess I would just get a really FAST PC as soon as I stop using ISA - then I can let all DOS games run in emulators, and use PLAIN DOS only for non-funny stuff or for mp3 (MPXPLAY has native CMedia and AC97 drivers built-in...). Eric PS: Okay, SOME games worked, but that had taken days to figure out. Not exactly what CMedia TELLS that their chip would offer compatibility-wise. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Ryan Underwood, [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question: How to use CMedia CM8738 sound in DOS?
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:19:04 +0100 (MET), you wrote: Hi Eric, Apart from that, he simply recommends using actual ISA sound cards ;-). Oh ... no! We can't stay in ISA world anymore, even PCI will be replaced by PCI-Express. I wonder how well the SBLive / SBPCI drivers work in DOS, now that Michael added the extra SB support option to EMM386, any experience reports? Maybe you forgot, I write a few email about this. It's working only when 'SB' switch with 'EMM=1800' (actually 1536 or something like this, but I play safe). But some game such as TYRIAN will crash, should be problem of the SBEGO.EXE, heavily protected and eat up lots of memory!! Rgds, Johnson. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question: How to use CMedia CM8738 sound in DOS?
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:19:04 +0100 (MET), you wrote: Hi Eric, Apart from that, he simply recommends using actual ISA sound cards ;-). Oh ... no! We can't stay in ISA world anymore, even PCI will be replaced by PCI-Express. I wonder how well the SBLive / SBPCI drivers work in DOS, now that Michael added the extra SB support option to EMM386, any experience reports? Maybe you forgot, I write a few email about this. It's working only when 'SB' switch with 'EMM=1800' (actually 1536 or something like this, but I play safe). But some game such as TYRIAN will crash, should be problem of the SBEGO.EXE, heavily protected and eat up lots of memory!! Rgds, Johnson. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
