Re: Disk Utility and 1TB hard disks
Hi, Disk Utility finished checking my big disk from my Panther partition. I don't know how long it took - I left my computer on all night - but it finished all right and found no problems. Thank you. Regards, Jörg. On Mar 4, 7:17 am, Aaron aa...@macuser.fastmail.fm wrote: At 19:57 -0800 2009/03/03, PeterH wrote: The 10.4 Disk Utility works to at least 500 GB, which is the largest ATA hard drive made (this may have been increased to 750 MB, but it has not been increased to 1 TB and 1.5 TB as these are different series drives from 750 GB). What does different series drives mean? - Aaron --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well, they STILL don't have a modern computer...
What is UAE? Well, they STILL don't have a modern computer... ? Using UAE or various other schemes Amigo OS works on all modern PC and Mac hardware. How modern is that? Also there are some crazy underpowered but super-overpriced Amiga OS motherboards out there. Only for those with buckets of money to throw at a hobby machine. __ Congrats to the Euro Retrogel Amigans. they have done a service to computer archivists and historians of all platforms. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: swapping processors
On Mar 4, 2009, at 7:04 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: I am still working on transferring from an old computer (Beige) to a newer 450mhz G4. I have an Encore Zif upgrade in the Beige that should also work in the G4. Does that mean that I can take the ZIF from the (I hope I have the terminology correct) G4 and put it in the Beige? My ZIF upgrade is 500mhz. If the G4 you have is a Yikes, aka pci graphics, then, yes, the processors are swappable. If your G4 is is a Sawtooth, (with agp graphics) then, no, the processors are not swappable. According to MacTracker, the fastest Yikes was a 400 MHz. So unless you have a Yikes with an upgraded processor, the odds are that the processors are NOT swappable. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well, they STILL don't have a modern computer...
Government offices of The United Arab Emirates have, apparently, standardized on Amiga systems. Lawrence David Eden wrote: What is UAE? Well, they STILL don't have a modern computer... ? Using UAE or various other schemes Amigo OS works on all modern PC and Mac hardware. How modern is that? Also there are some crazy underpowered but super-overpriced Amiga OS motherboards out there. Only for those with buckets of money to throw at a hobby machine. __ Congrats to the Euro Retrogel Amigans. they have done a service to computer archivists and historians of all platforms. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
2 Monitors, a Radeon and an NVIDIA (was Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting)
Aaron writes, The Radeon 9200 will drive two monitors by itself! From the manufacturer's web site: Advanced Dual Display Support Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions and refresh rates Specifications ... Integrated TV-Out supports up to 1024x768 resolution Multiple Display connections DVI-I port VGA port S-Video port DVI-I to VGA S-Video to Composite adaptors included Wow, really? Hmmm...OK, looks like I don't have all the right adapters then...but I should also admit, I'm hardly what anybody could call tech savvy when it comes to matters like this. Up until I opened the box containing the Radeon, I had never even seen a video card! When I ordered it (over the phone with a guy at OWC -- I called to confirm that it would work in a G4 Quicksilver 867 since the web page confused me -- and he took my order on the phone). But anyway, no adapters came with it, and no I didn't think to ask for any -- not tech savvy remember? I had ordered a couple of sticks of 512 MB RAM at the same time, and all that came in the box was the Radeon and the two RAM sticks. Anyhoo, just now (prior to answering this) -- since in the December computer area reorganization to fit the second monitor on my desk, the G4 tower got moved to an area where it's now even harder for me to look at its backside than it was before (so I can't even attempt to trace what's going out of the Radeon...or the NVIDIA for that matter), I went to ASP Graphics/Displays to see if I could figure out how it was hooked up. Result: yes, I see the Radeon running my primary monitor, a Gateway EV910 19, and for the first time, I actually notice that it COULD be running a second display -- it says: Display: Status: No display connected. But I have no idea from that what kind of adapter is running to the Gateway, or what I'd need to run into the secondary monitor (an ancient but functioning 15 NEC MultiSync XV15+). I still went to Google Image search in hopes of seeing the backside of a Radeon 9200. Couldn't find an image big enough for my aging eyes to be able to distinguish the ports, though, maybe just as well because I'm yet too ignorant to tell which is which.. OK, I'll give my BF a call tonight! Oh wait! OMG! NOW I remember why I had to wait till December to get the second monitor (the NEC) hooked up! I had suggested it in November, his previous visit. We brought the NEC into the bedroom where my computer desk is, but he looked at it and behind the G4, then we looked through that Unidentified Computer Stuff bottom drawer of my filing cabinet and he said I was going to need another video card, because I didn't have the right kind of adapter to connect the Radeon to the second monitor. I said I still had my old NVIDIA and went to get it, but it wasn't where I thought I'd put it, and 20 minutes of looking, it didn't turn up. Naturally, I found it the day AFTER he went home! Anyway, since he hooked everything up, if I refresh his memory (you couldn't make the Radeon drive both monitors because I was missing an adapter -- so what kind am I missing? -- he'll be able to tell me what it was, and if he doesn't have one at home (he always brings stuff like that if he has it, and most of the time, he has it, whatever it is!), I could post a WTB on the Swap List to get one. WOW. Thank you, Aaron! :-) ~Yersinia. Mycelium is yourcelium. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Recent upgrade to OS X issues
When you say you can't get past the screen are you saying that it freezes up? If so have you tried just letting it sit and see if it will eventualy load? Sometimes that works for me. -Jonas It freezes, the cursor will move around the screen, but I can't select or click anything. I let it sit overnight a couple of times and nothing...last night I tried booting using open firmware restting nvram and reset-all, with no luck. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
installing 9.2
Greetings, I teach at a small church run school and get acquired some g3 iMacs. The iMacs have OS 10.3.9 on them. I have software that only runs under 9.2 that the students use. Is there a way I can install 9.2 without having to reinstall 10.3? Thanks, Lee --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing 9.2
On 4 Mar 2009, at 08:02:16 PST, Stro wrote: Greetings, I teach at a small church run school and get acquired some g3 iMacs. The iMacs have OS 10.3.9 on them. I have software that only runs under 9.2 that the students use. Is there a way I can install 9.2 without having to reinstall 10.3? Thanks, Lee - Depends on how the drives were formatted originally. If OS 9 Drivers were installed at formatting time, there would be no problem. If not, I don't believe OS 9 will function even in Classic mode. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing 9.2
On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Stro wrote: Greetings, I teach at a small church run school and get acquired some g3 iMacs. The iMacs have OS 10.3.9 on them. I have software that only runs under 9.2 that the students use. Is there a way I can install 9.2 without having to reinstall 10.3? There was a thread on the LEM imac list last month about this. Go to google groups, and go to the imaclist, and search for 'Netboot' there are several threads. Here's the starting point: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120243 You uncompress the package on your OS X mac, then use Pacifist to extract the 9.22 system folder, and designate that folder as the system folder to use as Classic. You'll need to log in using the username NBUser and the password netboot, and you can get rid of that, iirc, by removing theUsers and Groups extension from extensions folder in the OS 9 system folder. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well, they STILL don't have a modern computer...
On Mar 4, 7:13 am, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: What is UAE? Wikipedia is your friend: UAE Amiga Emulator coresystems GmbH - low-level development at its finest. www.amigaemulator.org/ - 4k - Cached - Similar pages Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
True of False - Pismo CPU board in Lombard?
I see on ebay right now there is a 500 mhz CPU board being advertised as being for a Lombard: http://cgi.ebay.com/Processor-Board-Apple-PowerBook-G3-Lombard-500Mhz-Used_W0QQitemZ140304439019QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item140304439019_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 As I understand it the fastest CPU board for a Lombard was actually 400 mhz, so I suspect this board would actually be from a Pismo? Seller claims he really used it in his Lombard. Yet elsewhere on ebay there are Pismo CPU boards for sale where the description specifically says that a Pismo CPU board will not work in a Lombard: http://cgi.ebay.com/Powerbook-G3-Pismo-400mhz-Processor-Firewire-400-Mhz_W0QQitemZ130290182281QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item130290182281_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 So, true or false - will a 500 mhz Pismo CPU board work in a Lombard? Or maybe this 500 mhz board came from some powerbook other than Pismo? Bruce - in Orlando --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I've heard of the silenX fan but...
The PSU fans are 60mmx60mmx25mm. Read the xlr8 guide (link in previous post) before you tackle the PSU, it's a little tricky. On Mar 3, 4:05 pm, MacGuy macgu...@gmail.com wrote: ok, so it sounds like i don't need to buy anything else other that the fan itself. Also, I'd like to replace the psu fans at the same time, can you give me the info i need to order them all from frozencpu.com at the same time. Thanks. Jeff On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:55 PM, dc wrote: On both locations, PSU and case fans, I had to switch polarity of the SilenX fans to match the wiring on the OEM fans. I used black and red Sharpies to mark the connector on the OEM fans so that I knew where to put the red and black wires. Then I used a paper clip to release the wires from the OEM SilenX fans and swapped the connectors so that the new fans could plug into the motherboard. On Mar 3, 10:57 am, MacGuy macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking at this one, http://www.frozencpu.com/products/4274/fan-235/SilenX_120x120x38mm_-_ ... What modifications will it need to hook up to the mdd motherboard? Jeff On Mar 3, 2009, at 4:49 AM, dc wrote: I got a MDD several months ago, one that had not been given a quiet PSU. I started looking for new fans right away. I compared the specs on a lot of fans and I decided the Sinlenx Pro series had the best air flow to noise ratio. I put 2 in the PSU and a 120mm in the case. My dual 1 GHz now runs at around 65 degrees C (which is about 5 degrees hotter than it ran with the stock fans). I tried a Gelid variable speed 120mm case fan and it does keep the temps about 5 degrees cooler but it almost always runs at full speed so it is louder than the SilenX fan but still quieter than the OEM Delta fan. This article shows how to replace the fans but since it was published newer, quieter fans have come on the market. I personally think the SilenX is the best. I purchased mine from that well known auction site. http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/g4_mirrored_drive_doors/noise_redu ... On Mar 2, 8:11 pm, MacGuy macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I've been looking into a fan replacement on my mdd. I've heard of the SilenX they've used to replace the ol' delta fans. question one - anybody know the model number/info and possibly where to buy one? Question two - what about other alternative fans with higher air flow output and just as quiet? Thanks, jeff Kamiah, Idaho 83536- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Yikes! Question
I need a VGA DB-15 PCI video card to install in slot #2 of my Yikes! to drive my high resolution monochrome Apple Portrait Monitor (c. 1990) next to my ViewSonic flat screen monitor running from slot #1. Slots #3 and #4 presently run various Firewire and USB peripherals. Apple's manual accompanying my portrait monitor says it needs a NuBus expansion card but my manual Setting Up Your Power Macintosh G4: Includes ... expansion information says NuBus cards cannot be used in **THESE** expansion slots where **THESE** seems to mean ATA slots only but could also mean all four slots -- depending on careful reading. The Yikes! manual also says Apple Desktop Bus (ADB) ports are not supported but the portrait monitor's manual says the monitor's interface is ADB. What solution, if any, is suggested by all this? Here's what my System Profiler says about my current graphics and display: ATY, Rage 128: Chipset Model: ATY, Rage 128 Type:Display Bus: PCI Slot:J12 VRAM (Total):16 MB Vendor: ATI (0x1002) Device ID: 0x5245 Revision ID: 0x ROM Revision:113-57407-204 Display: VA2226w-11: Resolution: 1680 x 1050 @ 60 Hz Depth: 16-bit Color Core Image: Not Supported Main Display:Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Not Supported Here's what my System Profiler says about my SCSI PCI cards: ADPT, 1686806-04: Name:ADPT, 2930CU Type:scsi Bus: PCI Slot:J11 Vendor ID: 0x9004 Device ID: 0x5078 Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9004 Subsystem ID:0x7850 Revision ID: 0x0003 The computer end of my portrait monitor's cable is eight pins over seven pins. I used my portrait monitor throughout the period when my only computer was a G3 Beige and then a G3 Blue and White. Evan Evan Wilson 6302 Mountain Park Cove Austin, Texas 78731-2611 (512) 215-8543 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 2 Monitors, a Radeon and an NVIDIA (was Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting)
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Yersinia yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: Aaron writes, The Radeon 9200 will drive two monitors by itself! From the manufacturer's web site: Advanced Dual Display Support Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions and refresh rates Specifications ... Integrated TV-Out supports up to 1024x768 resolution Multiple Display connections DVI-I port VGA port S-Video port DVI-I to VGA S-Video to Composite adaptors included Wow, really? Hmmm...OK, looks like I don't have all the right adapters ___ A web search or wiki search should turn up diagrams for all sorts of video connectors. No need to be tech savvy just willing to look on the web for the info. The shape, size and pin count will help ID what you need. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: True of False - Pismo CPU board in Lombard?
I have personally worked extensively with both Lombards and Pismos; and it is indeed impossible to swap motherboards. The keyboard and trackpad plugins are completely different, the Pismo has a much larger heatsync, and an AirPort card slot, and two FireWire ports instead of a SCSI port. To change motherboards, you'd have to change cases, keyboards, the CPU. the only part that's compatible between the two is the display. (And the modem) And then... you'd just have a Pismo. He is probably just confused, or got something mixed up. I think there may be, however, a 500Mhz upgrade CPU for the lombards, but I'm not sure. I do know that the processors are incompatible, also. -Cyrus On Mar 4, 11:25 am, Bruce - in Orlando bhossfi...@bellsouth.net wrote: I see on ebay right now there is a 500 mhz CPU board being advertised as being for a Lombard:http://cgi.ebay.com/Processor-Board-Apple-PowerBook-G3-Lombard-500Mhz... As I understand it the fastest CPU board for a Lombard was actually 400 mhz, so I suspect this board would actually be from a Pismo? Seller claims he really used it in his Lombard. Yet elsewhere on ebay there are Pismo CPU boards for sale where the description specifically says that a Pismo CPU board will not work in a Lombard:http://cgi.ebay.com/Powerbook-G3-Pismo-400mhz-Processor-Firewire-400-... So, true or false - will a 500 mhz Pismo CPU board work in a Lombard? Or maybe this 500 mhz board came from some powerbook other than Pismo? Bruce - in Orlando --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: True of False - Pismo CPU board in Lombard?
I have worked on my two Lombards. Just the other day I put in more ram which required removing the processor, and the connection is completely different from the picture on ebay. There were upgrade cards made, but i don't know how fast they were, and that isn't one for a lombard. -Jonas On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Cyrus callmemrp...@gmail.com wrote: I have personally worked extensively with both Lombards and Pismos; and it is indeed impossible to swap motherboards. The keyboard and trackpad plugins are completely different, the Pismo has a much larger heatsync, and an AirPort card slot, and two FireWire ports instead of a SCSI port. To change motherboards, you'd have to change cases, keyboards, the CPU. the only part that's compatible between the two is the display. (And the modem) And then... you'd just have a Pismo. He is probably just confused, or got something mixed up. I think there may be, however, a 500Mhz upgrade CPU for the lombards, but I'm not sure. I do know that the processors are incompatible, also. -Cyrus On Mar 4, 11:25 am, Bruce - in Orlando bhossfi...@bellsouth.net wrote: I see on ebay right now there is a 500 mhz CPU board being advertised as being for a Lombard: http://cgi.ebay.com/Processor-Board-Apple-PowerBook-G3-Lombard-500Mhz... As I understand it the fastest CPU board for a Lombard was actually 400 mhz, so I suspect this board would actually be from a Pismo? Seller claims he really used it in his Lombard. Yet elsewhere on ebay there are Pismo CPU boards for sale where the description specifically says that a Pismo CPU board will not work in a Lombard: http://cgi.ebay.com/Powerbook-G3-Pismo-400mhz-Processor-Firewire-400-... So, true or false - will a 500 mhz Pismo CPU board work in a Lombard? Or maybe this 500 mhz board came from some powerbook other than Pismo? Bruce - in Orlando --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: True of False - Pismo CPU board in Lombard?
On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Bruce - in Orlando wrote: I see on ebay right now there is a 500 mhz CPU board being advertised as being for a Lombard: http://cgi.ebay.com/Processor-Board-Apple-PowerBook-G3- Lombard-500Mhz- Used_W0QQitemZ140304439019QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0? hash=item140304439019_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66% 3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 Lombard has two in-line connectors for the interface to the mobo. Pismo has the same very high density connector as the later G4 desktops. As the subject item is the second, it is a Pismo, not a Lombard. Factory Lombard processors were 333 and 400 MHz. Factory Pismo processors were 400 and 500 MHz. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yikes! Question
On Mar 4, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Evan Wilson wrote: I need a VGA DB-15 PCI video card to install in slot #2 of my Yikes! No, what you need is a VGA-DB15 adapter to run a Mac Monitor off of a VGA port. Be exact when looking for this, most searches will get you the other way, to connect a VGA monitor to a DB15 output. http://www.kpsurplus.com/products/view/8215 this is what you want. This is the Apple one. Here's a cheaper one http://www.pccables.com/70023.htm No one ever made a PCI card that offered the old Mac DB15 video standard. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yikes! Question
No one ever made a PCI card that offered the old Mac DB15 video standard. Not true, I happen to have one that I use in my 7500. I can provide a picture if you don't belive me. I have also used it in a G4 tower to diagnose a problem. Plus, it sounds like he already has a monitor connected to his current monitor port, and would like to add the old one as a second display. -Cyrus On Mar 4, 11:59 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 4, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Evan Wilson wrote: I need a VGA DB-15 PCI video card to install in slot #2 of my Yikes! No, what you need is a VGA-DB15 adapter to run a Mac Monitor off of a VGA port. Be exact when looking for this, most searches will get you the other way, to connect a VGA monitor to a DB15 output. http://www.kpsurplus.com/products/view/8215 this is what you want. This is the Apple one. Here's a cheaper one http://www.pccables.com/70023.htm No one ever made a PCI card that offered the old Mac DB15 video standard. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: True of False - Pismo CPU board in Lombard?
Bruce, are you looking for a motherboard for a lombard? I have a lombard or two that I could sell you. -Jonas On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:55 AM, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Bruce - in Orlando wrote: I see on ebay right now there is a 500 mhz CPU board being advertised as being for a Lombard: http://cgi.ebay.com/Processor-Board-Apple-PowerBook-G3- Lombard-500Mhz- Used_W0QQitemZ140304439019QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0? hash=item140304439019_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66% 3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 Lombard has two in-line connectors for the interface to the mobo. Pismo has the same very high density connector as the later G4 desktops. As the subject item is the second, it is a Pismo, not a Lombard. Factory Lombard processors were 333 and 400 MHz. Factory Pismo processors were 400 and 500 MHz. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yikes! Question
On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Evan Wilson wrote: : I need a VGA DB-15 PCI video card (or equivalent) to install in slot #2 of my Yikes! to drive my high resolution monochrome Apple Portrait Monitor (c. 1990) next to my ViewSonic flat screen monitor running from slot #1. Slots #3 and #4 presently run various Firewire and USB peripherals. Apple's manual accompanying my portrait monitor says it needs a NuBus expansion card but my manual Setting Up Your Power Macintosh G4: Includes ... expansion information says NuBus cards cannot be used in **THESE** expansion slots where **THESE** seems to mean ATA slots only but could also mean all four slots depending on careful reading. The slots are not ATA, but PCI. What the comment about needing a NuBus card is referring to is that at the time of the manufacturing of the Portrait display, all Macs that had expansion slots were Nubus based. No Mac back then with onboard graphics could drive the Portrait monitor, so an additional video card is needed, and only NuBus cards were available, therefore a NuBus expansion card is required. Any pci card that supports the resolution of the portrait monitor will drive it. I am not familiar enough with video cards to know which ones support 640 x 870 resolution, but a want to buy on the swap list specifying a pci card that can drive that monitor should get you one relatively cheaply. You will also probably need a vga to mac monitor adapter which can also be found on the swap list. Total cost for the 2 should be around $20 shipped. Be careful to specify that you want to use a Mac Monitor and need the more uncommon vga male (3 rows of pins) to Mac Monitor (2 rows of pins) The Yikes! manual also says Apple Desktop Bus (ADB) ports are not supported but the portrait monitor's manual says the monitor's interface is ADB. What workaround, if any, can you think of? Again, not real familiar with the Portrait Display, but I believe that the ADB is only a pass through, meaning you plug it into your Mac, and you can plug your keyboard and mouse or other peripherals into it, like a modern USB hub. I know some later Mac monitors used ADB to control various color settings, but I do not think the Portrait used it for anything, but I could be wrong. How do you adjust brightness and contrast on it? Here's what my System Profiler says about my current graphics and display: snip I would consider getting a little nicer card like the Radeon for my main monitor and putting it in the 66MHz slot and moving the current Rage to one of the slower slots to drive the portrait, sine that is not anywhere as demanding on the video card as a widescreen. HTH, Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yikes! Question
In the dustup between Cyrus and Bruce, Cyrus is correct. The confusion is my fault. I could have written with more clarity. Evan Evan Wilson 6302 Mountain Park Cove Austin, Texas 78731-2611 (512) 215-8543 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Recent upgrade to OS X issues
maybe your installation disc is screwed up... whenever I install 10.4 it will usually freeze for a minute or so at one of those setup screens... what about firmware updates for the blue and white? -Jonas On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM, saxman_IN thbarn...@tds.net wrote: When you say you can't get past the screen are you saying that it freezes up? If so have you tried just letting it sit and see if it will eventualy load? Sometimes that works for me. -Jonas It freezes, the cursor will move around the screen, but I can't select or click anything. I let it sit overnight a couple of times and nothing...last night I tried booting using open firmware restting nvram and reset-all, with no luck. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yikes! Question
At 11:03 -0800 3/4/09, Cyrus wrote: No one ever made a PCI card that offered the old Mac DB15 video standard. Not true, I happen to have one that I use in my 7500. I can provide a picture if you don't belive me. I have also used it in a G4 tower to diagnose a problem. Plus, it sounds like he already has a monitor connected to his current monitor port, and would like to add the old one as a second display. I'm staring at an ATI PN 109-37100 (1996) that I use in an 8500 for testing old monitors. Works fine on Apple 15 pin monitors when the monitor works. It also supports Svideo and NTSC. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: True of False - Pismo CPU board in Lombard?
No - don't need another Lombard thanks. I was just thinking about having a little fun by clocking a 400 mhz CPU, and so was rummaging thru ebay just to see what was out there ... On Mar 4, 2:19 pm, jonas ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: Bruce, are you looking for a motherboard for a lombard? I have a lombard or two that I could sell you. -Jonas On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:55 AM, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Bruce - in Orlando wrote: I see on ebay right now there is a 500 mhz CPU board being advertised as being for a Lombard: http://cgi.ebay.com/Processor-Board-Apple-PowerBook-G3- Lombard-500Mhz- Used_W0QQitemZ140304439019QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0? hash=item140304439019_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66% 3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 Lombard has two in-line connectors for the interface to the mobo. Pismo has the same very high density connector as the later G4 desktops. As the subject item is the second, it is a Pismo, not a Lombard. Factory Lombard processors were 333 and 400 MHz. Factory Pismo processors were 400 and 500 MHz.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yikes! Question
On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: At 11:03 -0800 3/4/09, Cyrus wrote: No one ever made a PCI card that offered the old Mac DB15 video standard. Not true, I happen to have one that I use in my 7500. I can provide a picture if you don't belive me. I have also used it in a G4 tower to diagnose a problem. Plus, it sounds like he already has a monitor connected to his current monitor port, and would like to add the old one as a second display. I'm staring at an ATI PN 109-37100 (1996) that I use in an 8500 for testing old monitors. Works fine on Apple 15 pin monitors when the monitor works. It also supports Svideo and NTSC. I stand multiply corrected. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yikes! Question
On Mar 4, 10:37 am, Evan Wilson awilso...@austin.rr.com wrote: I need a VGA DB-15 PCI video card to install in slot #2 of my Yikes! to drive my high resolution monochrome Apple Portrait Monitor (c. 1990) next to my ViewSonic flat screen monitor running from slot #1. Slots #3 and #4 presently run various Firewire and USB peripherals. Apple's manual accompanying my portrait monitor says it needs a NuBus expansion card but my manual Setting Up Your Power Macintosh G4: Includes ... expansion information says NuBus cards cannot be used in **THESE** expansion slots where **THESE** seems to mean ATA slots only but could also mean all four slots -- depending on careful reading. The Yikes! manual also says Apple Desktop Bus (ADB) ports are not supported but the portrait monitor's manual says the monitor's interface is ADB. What solution, if any, is suggested by all this? Here's what my System Profiler says about my current graphics and display: ATY, Rage 128: Chipset Model: ATY, Rage 128 Type: Display Bus: PCI Slot: J12 VRAM (Total): 16 MB Vendor: ATI (0x1002) Device ID: 0x5245 Revision ID: 0x ROM Revision: 113-57407-204 Display: VA2226w-11: Resolution: 1680 x 1050 @ 60 Hz Depth: 16-bit Color Core Image: Not Supported Main Display: Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Not Supported Here's what my System Profiler says about my SCSI PCI cards: ADPT, 1686806-04: Name: ADPT, 2930CU Type: scsi Bus: PCI Slot: J11 Vendor ID: 0x9004 Device ID: 0x5078 Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9004 Subsystem ID: 0x7850 Revision ID: 0x0003 The computer end of my portrait monitor's cable is eight pins over seven pins. I used my portrait monitor throughout the period when my only computer was a G3 Beige and then a G3 Blue and White. Evan Evan Wilson 6302 Mountain Park Cove Austin, Texas 78731-2611 (512) 215-8543 There were several PCI video cards with Apple DB15 (8 over 7 pin) connectors available with the G3 desktops. Depending on the main logic board revision (A, B or C) the built-in video was either Rage II or Rage Pro, both had Apple DB15 connectors. Additionally, the CTO/BTO MiniTower also provided an optional PCI video card. The IXMicro 3D and TwinTurbo cards, which had both VGA and Apple DB15 monitor connectors. Although, as I recall, only one of the connectors (monitor) could be used at a time. There were also the Xclaim VR and 3D, as well as the Nexus GA (3D Rage Pro) series of ATI cards for the Mac which had the requisite connector. The early retail Mac Radeon cards have VGA and composite/S-video, but shipped with VGA to Apple DB15 adapters, like the one Bruce pointed out. You'll have to decide which is cheaper; card, or adapter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yikes! Question
- Original Message From: Evan Wilson awilso...@austin.rr.com I need a VGA DB-15 PCI video card to install in slot #2 of my Yikes! to drive my high resolution monochrome Apple Portrait Monitor (c. 1990) next to my ViewSonic flat screen monitor running from slot #1. Slots #3 and #4 presently run various Firewire and USB peripherals. I used my portrait monitor throughout the period when my only computer was a G3 Beige and then a G3 Blue and White. You should be able to use the same video card used in the G3 Blue White that supported the portrait monitor. --- glen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G3 Beige MT with Two IDE Hard Drives
I have inherited a Beige G3 Minitower with 2 IDE hard drives, one is ~20 Gb while the other is ~30 Gb. On one is MacOS 9.2 while on the other is MacOS 8.6. The issue is that boot ups are very slow almost like the machine is searching for a startup disk. The system is maxed out insofar as installed RAM is concerned and both HDs have been thoroughly diagnosed and optimized using Disk Warrior and other disk utilities. Each drive is connected separately to one of the two IDE plugs on the motherboard. One shares this with the CD-ROM drive while the other doesn't share via its IDE cable. Is this the correct configuration for two IDE drives? Just wondering what is causing such intolerably slow (up to 1 minute or more) boot ups when the start up disk has been specifically selected under control panels. The slow start up happens no matter whether it is the OS 8.6 or the 9.2 system disk which is selected. I do have a Rev. B card in the machine if that's an issue which I don't think it should be. Thanks for all help! Will I Am --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G5 iMac
I have an 2.1Ghz iSight iMac and about a year ago, I took it to the Apple Store because it wouldn't awake from Sleep or from a Restart/ Shutdown. The fans would start to blow loudly and the screen would remain black and I had to force a shutdown by holding down the power key. In order to get it to boot, I had to unplug it, wait a couple of minutes, plug it back while holding down the 'Power On' button thereby resetting the PMU. After another minute I'd start it up and all was well (until it went to Sleep or was Shutdown/Restarted). Genius Dude at the Apple Store told me it was all about the OS and I needed to insert the install disk (Tiger) and do an 'Archive and Restore.' I did that and still had the problem. Took it back and they replaced the logic board and all has been well until about a month or so ago. This time instead of taking trips to the Apple Store, I backed it up and did an 'Archive and Restore.' Now, everything is back to normal and the questions I have for you G- Listers is: What gives? Is there some kinda maintenance that I should be doing periodically to alleviate this situation? Thanks in advance! Rick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3 Beige MT with Two IDE Hard Drives
On Mar 4, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Will_i_am wrote: Each drive is connected separately to one of the two IDE plugs on the motherboard. One shares this with the CD-ROM drive while the other doesn't share via its IDE cable. Is this the correct configuration for two IDE drives? Just wondering what is causing such intolerably slow (up to 1 minute or more) boot ups when the start up disk has been specifically selected under control panels. One doesn't normally place hard drives on the optical bus, although the two Beige G3 buses are identical. I used to manufacture a special dual drive HD bus cables (Apple never did). The lengths are rather special in order to avoid interference between the two drives. The dual drive HD bus cable for the DT is quite different, and seemingly violates the length restrictions for IDE buses. My cables were designed for and were tested at 33 MB/sec, although these are only operated at 16.67 MB/sec in a Beige G3. On my production machines, I never encountered any slow-down problems as long as HDs were restricted to the HD bus and opticals and Zips were restricted to the optical/Zip bus. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I've heard of the silenX fan but...
Some people question the bona fides of the SilenX. These guys do a terrific job, and I had very good luck following their recommendations: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article695-page1.html --Tony On Mar 2, 7:11 pm, MacGuy macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I've been looking into a fan replacement on my mdd. I've heard of the SilenX they've used to replace the ol' delta fans. question one - anybody know the model number/info and possibly where to buy one? Question two - what about other alternative fans with higher air flow output and just as quiet? Thanks, jeff Kamiah, Idaho 83536 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Power Mac G3 Blue And White Upgrade info
Hello everyone, I finally got a replacement motherboard for my G3 Blue and White (Rev1). I need to know so some stuff about doing some upgrades to it: What is the Max Hard Drive Size I can put in it? What is the best video card I can get for it? What is the Max amount of RAM I can put in it? Also I am using the CPU that came with it, what are the jumper settings for the highest clock speed for it? Thanks A Lot everyone, Stephen maryland...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NVidia GeForce MX4 question
On Mar 3, 9:11 pm, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:06 AM, tortoise wrote: ?Drivers? Os9 includes ati drivers but not nvidia. However nvidia is pretty friendly... at least for linux... found an os9.2.2 driver here: http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Drivers/Apple-NVIDIA-Driver.shtml My 9.2.2 partition has nVidia drivers ... well mine don't. maybe not installer does unless you have an nvidia card ... I remember getting an ixmicro card and finding the drivers in a custom install. however later drivers I did find for downloading. it is possible if you have X that your classic updated the drivers... I have gotten instruction before to check/install a driver before installing the card, although most cards seem to only need for acceleration -- maybe depends on if the card was supplied as oem (not for a DA and not for os9, so ...) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
It appears the interface in my FireWire enclosure is in fact dead. I've ordered a replacement case. But now, due to the good advices of Clark, Kris and the others on this board, I can do so in the knowledge that I actually need it and aren't just wasting my money. My thanks to all of you. On Mar 2, 6:29 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: tonycd wrote: Then you need to check your computer's FW port, the cable and the drive by swapping out each element with other devices. The cable and the port are both known good. Is the enclosure automatically irreparable? Pretty much. Assuming it has an external power supply, that would be something to check. Otherwise the fault is in the FW / IDE interface board inside the enclosure and there is likely nothing there to fix. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 160 GB hard drive in a G3 Beige
First, thanks to PeterH for his clarifications. And more importantly, thanks for the useful advice. I tried to follow his advice exactly, but seem to have gotten myself in deeper trouble in setting up this Seagate Barracuda 160 GB ATA 8MB 7200rpm HHD on my beige G3. I downloaded and installed Hard Disk Speed Tools for OS 9 to a Firewire external drive. Then I booted from the OS 9.1 installation CD, and opened HDST to partition the internal drive. I set the partitions at 7800 MB, and 123,272 MB so that the third partition is exactly at 131,072 MB (7800 + 123272 = 131, 072), with a third volume = 21555 MB. Then I closed HDST and installed 9.2.1 from the CD. Here's where the problems start. The installation crashed unless I unclicked the Install Apple HHD drivers option. When that option is not chosen, it completed installation successfully. If I try to restart or shutdown from the Special pulldown menu, the screen locks up. I can force a restart using command/control - power button combination, but it boots back to the installation CD. When it restart, I get an error message in a yellow box, The application Finder has unexpected quit. You should save your work in other open applications and restart the computer. I've tried all the permutations/ combinations that I can think of, but am stuck. Looks like I don't have a bootable internal HHD. Help. Thanks in advance for any advice. Ed On Feb 22, 1:56 pm, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Feb 22, 2009, at 7:34 AM, James Brown wrote: It is a ROM revision A machine, so I'm aware of the 8 GB limitation and know about the 128 GB limit on hard drive accessing. ROM Rev A only limits you to Master IDEs, only, no Slave IDEs. ROM Rev A has nothing to do with 8 GB limitation, per se, as all Old World Macs have the 8 GB limitation for the first partition, for OS X, but not for OS 9. As the IDEs are DMA mode, there is no 128 GB limitation in the chipset, but there is an artificial 128 GB limitation in the drivers (both OS X and OS 9). If you get Intech's Hard Drive SpeedTools, you will get an initializer for OS 9 which can initialize a drive which is larger than 128 GB (actually, it is 131,072 MB). You will still have to have an 8 GB (8192 MB) first partition, if you want to boot OS X. You will then place a partition break at exactly 131,072 MB. The included white paper on safe formatting will disclose all these details. The High Cap kext for OS X will allow that MacOS to access above the 128 GB line. You could install 500 GB drives on that machine, if you wanted to. All the B or C ROMs would do would be to give you Slave support, which is certainly a good reason to install a B or C ROM. The B ROM should fine, as all the C ROM did was correct an error in the support for the video chip which was on the Rev. 2 and 3 motherboards, and the C ROM did nothing for IDE support. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I've heard of the silenX fan but...
wow, thanks for the article. wish I'd bought the Noctua ... think I will anyway:-) Jeff On Mar 4, 2009, at 7:31 PM, tonycd wrote: Some people question the bona fides of the SilenX. These guys do a terrific job, and I had very good luck following their recommendations: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article695-page1.html --Tony On Mar 2, 7:11 pm, MacGuy macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I've been looking into a fan replacement on my mdd. I've heard of the SilenX they've used to replace the ol' delta fans. question one - anybody know the model number/info and possibly where to buy one? Question two - what about other alternative fans with higher air flow output and just as quiet? Thanks, jeff Kamiah, Idaho 83536 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3 Beige MT with Two IDE Hard Drives
In a message dated 3/4/09 8:31:11 PM, wmhatch...@gmail.com writes: I have inherited a Beige G3 Minitower with 2 IDE hard drives, one is ~20 Gb while the other is ~30 Gb. On one is MacOS 9.2 while on the other is MacOS 8.6. The issue is that boot ups are very slow almost like the machine is searching for a startup disk. The system is maxed out insofar as installed RAM is concerned.. snip May be caused by the startup ram check max ram (768 meg). There is a keyboard command that is pressed before opening the control panels that will turn off the startup mem check. Boot up, press hold option+command (Apple), go to Apple menu, control panels = memory. When the mem ctrl pnl opens it will now show an option/checkbox for turning off the memory startup check. Reboot see if it isn't faster on startup. To turn it on again repeat the same steps (cmd+opt) before selecting control panels. ** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesamp;ncid=emlcntusyelp0005) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
