Re: reusing my thesis
This is not correct: as I wrote in my previous comment, Word 2011 fir Mac dies open old Word 4 files, but not via the double click. You need to open the file from the File: Open menu. Ben Sent from my iPad On 22/ott/2013, at 15:47, Guy Plunkett III g...@charter.net wrote: So the Windows version will open old Mac documents, but the Mac version won't!? On 10/21/13, Bruce Ryan wrote: Hi G-list Thank you for all replies and thoughts. A G-lister offered to sort it for me by on his old macs and their corresponding versions of Word. But the answer was even simpler: 2 minutes later, he emailed 'I just tried it on my work computer running Windows 7 and Word 2010, it opened fine, and I saved it as the 97-2003 version. Here you go.' So huge thanks to him and raspberry to me - I have a Windows 7 VM, with Office 2010 on my Mac Pro. It just worked! (Once I'd sorted the trust centre settings.) Bruce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
I concur 100%. My 1996 PowerMac 7600 with a G4 Sonnet 1000 MHz, IDE HD connected to internal IDE card and plenty of RAM screams with OS 9, but when I boot off OS X it can barely keep the pace of a modest Wallstreet 233MHz. I beleive it is pointless being able to install whatever OS on whatever Mac when it takes days to startup and weeks to pull down menus. Sent from my iPad On 27/lug/2012, at 23:40, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: It reminds me of what my sophomore History through Film teacher said when I used Saving Private Ryan as the subject of my report on propaganda films: Sometimes, its fun to be all countercultural and stuff and do things differently, but sometimes everyone does it one way for a good reason. To each his own, but Leopard is just beyond the capabilities of even the fastest G3 to run with any sense of fluency; there's a reason Apple lets you install 10.4 on em but not 10.5. I see the point of running 10.5 on, say, a G4 100MHz below the limit with capable RAM and video card (esp. if you can't live without spaces and stacks, like me), but 10.5 is kinda silly. It'll be like your 6100 (although stick a Sonnet G4 in it and see what happens with OSX; I'd love to see someone try and put 10.5 on it). Will it work? Yes. Well enough to do it for any reason besides because I can? No. Illirik Smirnov On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/23/12 4:18 PM, Illirik Smirnov at illir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes and yes, but I think that it's probably a better idea to XPostFacto in retail 10.5.8 in if you REALLY want Leopard, and I see no reason why you want it on a G3. It *will* run poorly. I keep either OS9 or 10.3 on all of my G3s (which is a small sample size, seeing as how all I have is an iMac G3 and a Clamshell to go with it). A 350-400+MHz G3 running OS9 is a capable machine, on 10.3 its slow but usable, on 10.4 it's barely usable; I can't imagine it running well in 10.5. But I like some challenges and experiments...;-) I remember back in 2001 that many people said it would be practically impossible to install and use Mac OS 9.1 on a PowerMac 6100 I had at the time. Well, I've installed... And it worked. Slowly, but anyway, I could use iTunes, broadband internet and CD burning (and also a 1024x768 video resolution trough the AV card). I put the brave 6100 (upgraded with a Sonnet G3 processor that many times refused to work properly...) into retirement in 2006, between other things because there was no way to install Mac OS X on it. ;-P -- MaGioZal. http://facebook.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
http://www.webalice.it/beniamino.cenci.goga/68k/Power_Macintosh_7600.html ;-) Sent from my iPad On 29/lug/2012, at 17:08, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote: My 1996 PowerMac 7600 with a G4 Sonnet 1000 MHz, IDE HD connected to internal IDE card and plenty of RAM screams with OS 9, but when I boot off OS X it can barely keep the pace of a modest Wallstreet 233MHz. This isn't correct. I own a 7600 with a 450 MHz G4 and it handles OS X 10.4.11 a LOT better than a 233 MHz Wallstreet. It can play most internet steaming video smoothly, and can almost play 1080p HD video. AFAIK there's no such thing as a 1 GHz G4 for any PCI PowerMac, the fastest possible would be 600 MHz because of the 50 MHz system bus and the 12x multiplier limitation (50 MHz x12 = 600 MHz). I don't believe any 600 MHz G4 was ever manufactured for the PCI Macs, so the limit would probably be 500 MHz unless you have one of the ZIF PCI cards that will accept a rare 600 MHz ZIF CPU. The key to running OS X on old-world Macs is a fast video card and max RAM. I use flashed PC VisionTek Xtasy Radeon 9100 64MB with the modified Mac Radeon 8500 ROM. There are some better cards, I believe the Radeon 9800 PCI might be best, or perhaps the nVidia GeForce FX6200 256MB? The 7600 max's out at 1 GB RAM (8x128MB). It also helps to have OS X on a RAID 0 striped pair. A 233 MHz Wallstreet is useless for OS X. A max'd out 7600 is possibly useful still, but the cost of making it useful is past the sweet spot and makes no sense economically. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
If the whole system is well tuned it runs fine, under OS 9. But not that faster than the G3 it had before. Now the Carrier ZIF is into an 8600 with a G3 350 MHz and the performace are quite similar. All these card are a true nightmare and as soon as you add memory or cards, or even HDs the stability decreases. Once I got rid of the SCSI for HD, though, the whole system gained stability. By todays standards the SCSI dogma was really painful! I managed to install OS X, 10.3 and probably also 10.4, but I kept having random crashes so that my Mac basement G4 became a blue and white G3 upgraded to G4 with another sonnet thing. Basically most of my Mac basement Macs are heavily upgraded: http://www.webalice.it/beniamino.cenci.goga/68k/Macintosh_Classic_XLR8d.html Sent from my iPad On 29/lug/2012, at 21:38, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com wrote: http://www.webalice.it/beniamino.cenci.goga/68k/Power_Macintosh_7600.html Aha, so you have the 1GHz version of the 800MHz I have. How does it work for you? I had trouble with the 1GHz G3 I used to use, but I have had better luck with Sonnet cards. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Point to ponder: without sponges, how much deeper would the ocean be? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
Nice try! Instead of this supposed photo, please give any link to an actual Sonnet product that supports a 1 GHz G4 with an L2 L3 cache on a PCI PowerMac such as the 7600. I do not believe any such product exists. And also explain how you get a 20x bus ratio. We've had these fake postings before, the guy with the photos of System Profiler showing his Snow Leopard on a PPC Mac, etc. So tell us the name of the Sonnet card you're using, and provide a link to any review of that product showing it supports 1 GHz operation in a 7600. Also, that 3dfx graphics card would be a total dog in OS X, even slower than the built-in video, so I can understand why you complain about OS X on this 7600. With an OS X supported Radeon card, and PCI Extreme to enable Quartz Extreme acceleration (there's even Core Image acceleration for GeForce PCI), you'd be having a MUCH better time in OS X. first link: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/archives/jun06/061606.html second link: http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12t=7600 third link: http://www.welovemacs.com/ppcg410002m.html final link, Sonnet leaflet: http://www.sonnettech.com/publicfiles/pdfs/pdf_datasheets/cpci_datasheet.pdf As soon as I have time I'll send the picture of my stuff. Ben Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
On 29/lug/2012, at 17:08, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: AFAIK there's no such thing as a 1 GHz G4 for any PCI PowerMac, the fastest possible would be 600 MHz because of the 50 MHz system bus and the 12x multiplier limitation (50 MHz x12 = 600 MHz). I don't believe any 600 MHz G4 was ever manufactured for the PCI Macs, so the limit would probably be 500 MHz unless you have one of the ZIF PCI cards that will accept a rare 600 MHz ZIF CPU. Later G4 chips had 20:1 bus ratio. http://www.mail-archive.com/pci-powermacs@mail.maclaunch.com/msg29153.html -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
Contrary to popular belief - not everyone has or even wants facebook. I concurr, but FB is a good tools to get figures. In this case we are trying to see if the number of potential users is worth the effort of improving MailForge or building a new app. By the way, regarding FB, there are many ways of using it: you don't need to upload the photos of your family or tell everybody what's going on in your life, you can even use a pen name. Ben -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
Get thee over to: List-ID: Eudora for the Mac eudora-mac.cartel.listmoms.net SUBSCRIBING: mailto:join-eudora-...@hades.listmoms.net?Subject=Gazelle Thanks, I have just subscribed and I have linked the ML info on that FB page, Ben -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
If you are from MF, why not post a poll on their own forum? Not that I ever had any luck there - whoever approves memberships was asleep the week I signed up so I never got the help I was looking for and ended up tossing that idea in the trash. I am not from MF, I am just a poweruser. Actually MF guys seem to be... only one guy. There is already a forum, but since it is no longer linked in the support page we are trying to keep in touch each other and I thoug that FB could be an easy place to share our thoughts. Moreover I racall the we want Mac Pro or similar fan page that collected thousands of likes. So if We want Eudora only collects few dozens we all have to concur that the development of such kind of software is dead. The majority of Mac users, nowadays, use FB, want an easy integration with the social forums, want to easisly share photos, so probably there's no point making a true Eudora replacement for such small numbers (i.e. us). This is my feeling, all in all Lion and probably even worse Mountain Lion, are quite weird for us loyal Mac users. I have installed Lion on the MacPro and the MacBook because I really use intensively the calendar and I like the way it syncs flawlessly with the iPhone and the iPad. Before switching to iOS devices I have tried androids and even the Palm Pre3, which is indeed a beauty with true multitasking, but the mobile.me/iCloud thing is far superior: no need to switch back and forth with google. By the way I still have a bootable HD with Snow Leopard to make the transition smoother, but right now I am quite disoriented as the calendar on SL no longer syncs with iCloud so sooner or later I will have to switch completely to Lion/ML. Well, I will always keep using my vintage PowerPC and even the 68xxx things, mainly for writing without distractions, but the die is cast (alea iacta est) and the future for us loyal Mac user iscnot that bright. Ben -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
let's put it in this way_can I connect this camera to a Mac?
On a side note, do you even know if the card is mac compatible? it is not. now, since I have to buy again the card from the Olympus dealer, I came across the idea to replace it with something that works with G3-G4-G5, as I am plenty of them in my lab and I can dedicate one to the microscope. The limiting factor is that the camera has only one plug, which is this weird DB-26. Basically I would like to connect this camera to a G3/4/5 http://www.olympusmicro.com/primer/java/digitalcameras/olympusdp70/index.html Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
26pin video -- PowerMac G3 bw
I would like to connect an Olympus microscope via its camera (the Olympus DP70 12.5 million-pixel digital color camera system) to a G3 bw. The digital system has a 26pin female and a 26pin cable. Is it hard to find the correct video card with a 26pin female plug that I can use in the G3, or evenltually in a G5 2.7 x2. No, the original video card has gone, along with the original PC that came with the microscope and I don't feel like buying again the original stuff from Olympus. Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: follow up: Re: 26pin video -- PowerMac G3 bw
The whole story is that we have the system but during some remodeling of the lab the PC along with its LCD 15 display got lost... well, someone from the academic community, took it... So now what's left is just the whole Microscope system and since I basically use it as a teaching tool I was thinking to save some money and try to see if a simple video card was enough. Obviously not! Ben On Sep 19, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Chance Reecher wrote: I found a listing somewhere for the entire microscope system, including the card, for 26,000$. http://www.caeonline.com/equipment_for_sale.html?equip=72457 Compared to that 1.200$ isn't that bad. On a side note, do you even know if the card is mac compatible? Beniamino T. Cenci Goga wrote: This the card that I need: if I could know where the hell has gone the original card! Is outrageously expensive. http://cgi.ebay.it/Olympus-AQ8222-PC-Interface-Control-Card-for-DP70-BX51_W0QQitemZ110390492867QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b3c93ec3_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_3715wt_810 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iWork '09
On Jan 24, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Does anyone know if the docs can be saved as PDF's the print dialog works with any application, but the Share menu of pages 09 let you export as PDF, Word, RTF, Plain Text. Better still the amazing iWork.com... menu Share: Share via iWork.com Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yosemite with busted (?) firewire
On Jan 3, 2009, at 1:12 AM, ProGearDeal wrote: Please double check your firewire cable. Most likely, it is your firewire cable got short curcit and burn the board. In fact I have the feeling that I burnt the FW of a couple of eMacs and iMacs at the university... :-( Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Yosemite with busted (?) firewire
I did try everything: os 9, 9.1, 9.2.1, 9.2.2, OS x 10.2, 10.4 open firmaware reset nvram and all PRAM unplugged without battery for two days CUDA switch I believe it is busted so I have ordered a replacement daughterboard (it is for my collection, so I would like it as close to the original as possible, so PCI cards are OK, but I would like to bring back to life the on-board FW ports). What are the chances it is the FW chip on the logic board to be busted and not the daughter card? System profile says Firewire 2.2.2 regardless the daughterboard is inserted or not. Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Test to list
Jonas Lopez wrote: This is a test to the list - if it is received please reply to me. I am presently in Italy, probably this is the reason why I did not get the message ;-) Ben === Beniamino Cenci Goga O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Baige G3 -- G4 _ 450 HD troubles
I replaced the 266 MHz G3 with a 450 MHz G4 and changed the jumper position to get a 83.3 MHz bus x 5.5 = 458 MHz G4. It has run flawlessly for a month under 9.2 and OS X 10.2.8. The G4 chip I am using has a bad L2 cache, nevertheless I wanted to try again to enable it so I kept trying all known cache enablers. The result was a very bad crash. After that I can only boot off the OS 9 CD, format the HD (I have tried two HDs, the original and a known good one pulled from a Yosemite), install OS 9, but at the subsequent reboot the HD is no longer recognized. Pretty weird. Now I am going back to the G3 processor and see what happens. Any ideas? Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Beige G3 -- G4 _ 450 HD troubles
You need to look at the Grackle chip on the motherboard to see if it can support the 83MHz bus speed. It is the 66 MHz, but it has run rock solid for months, until I used one L2 enabler (I do not recall which). How did you know the L2 was bad? OS X reads 0 and I have never been able to enable it. BTW, I went back to the default 266/66 configuration and still the same problem: is it possible that the last L2 enabler that I used (I believe it was under OS X) has flashed some firmware or else? Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to read PC formatted hard drives _ follow up
I replaced the internal CD drive with a DVD ROM, installed Tiger (which, indeed is pretty usable on this 450 MHz G3) and managed to grab the files I needed from the IDE HD! many thanks, Ben On Dec 22, 2008, at 10:53 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 22, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote: Ok, will install 10.3 and see, many thanks! Ben OS X 10.3 and higher can read NTFS, but you need to hack things around to write to them. (using MacFUSE and NTFS3G) However with 10.2.8, you're ool, I think. I don't remember ever being able to get NTFS working on the Mac back then. It will require patience...I remember being very excited that 10.3 was going to have NTFS compatibility, but it's slooow. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
how to read PC formatted hard drives
When I need to read a IDE/ATA PC-formatted hard drive I plug it to the DVD IDE connector of my Intel Mac Pro and I can access all its files. I was wondering if this feature is accessible from a BW G3 or if it is only Leopard related or Intel related. Presently my Yosemite running os X 10.2.8 does not mount the PC formatted HD, all I can do is format the drive. It would be nice if I could set up my Yosemite to read PC formatted HD, maybe some software? Long ago I recall Access PC. Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to read PC formatted hard drives
Ok, will install 10.3 and see, many thanks! Ben OS X 10.3 and higher can read NTFS, but you need to hack things around to write to them. (using MacFUSE and NTFS3G) However with 10.2.8, you're ool, I think. I don't remember ever being able to get NTFS working on the Mac back then. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: same Yosemite with video troubles _ now I am trying a G4 processo?
Excuse me if you have done both updates. --glen excuse accepted! ;-) Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
same Yosemite with video troubles _ now I am trying a G4 processo?
So today I tried to install a G4 ZIF that I have never been able to use with L2 enabled. I had used this processor on a carrie ZIF into PowerMac 7600 and into a beige G3. No way to enable L2 cache (I have used all the known software). So I prepared the Yosemite, G4 firmware update, jumper setting etc... No luck the G4 does not work at all in the Yosemite. Before I conclude the L2 is bad is thee any other test to perform? Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: same Yosemite with video troubles _ now I am trying a G4 processo?
On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:04 PM, John Ruschmeyer wrote: Silly question, but did you remove the firmware block that prevents the BW G3 from using a G4? yes I did...: So I prepared the Yosemite, G4 firmware update, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yosemite video card slot _ gone?
Did you reset the pram after swapping the video card into 66mhz slot? the G3 came without battery after more than 1 year in a cabinet and the ATI Rage 128 GL (incidentally, this is the card: I did check) was in the 66 MHz slot. There is only one strange thing: the oscillator on the card says: 29.498 MHz. How come? Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yosemite video card slot _ gone?
Which video card is it? According to Mactracker, for the Yosemite, I believe the slot 1, although 66MHz, is still a PCI slot versus an AGP one. Only a 66MHz PCI video card would work in that one (PCI and 66 being limiting factors)? not a 33MHz video card? Just asking / thinking out loud. Bill Connelly I guess it is the card that came with the unit (I recall reading something like 128 and I quickly, probably too quickly, concluded it was the standard ATI Rage 128): will check tomorrow and let you know. The Mac is in the basement and right now I am watching a movie at home with my kids whilst trying to answer to some emails) Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yosemite video card slot _ gone?
On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Paul wrote: According to the service manual, the video card always goes in PCI Slot 1, which is the short slot. this afternoon I tried a known good voodoo 3dfx 3000, same thing: no video out if inserted in slot 1, ok if in one of the other 3. If cleaning the contacts does not solve the problem, chances the slot has gone? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
