Re: PC 3200 400mhz RAM in 1ghz DP MDD. Will it work?
Would that be CL 2.5 for cas latency? On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:10 PM, daniel.stewart...@gmail.com wrote: CL 2.5? Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jörg Duurkoop yaw...@gmail.com Sender: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:08:49 To: G-Groupg3-5-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: PC 3200 400mhz RAM in 1ghz DP MDD. Will it work? Hi Scott, PC3200 works but it has to be CL 2.5. Best regards, Jörg. On 26 mrt, 23:33, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 26, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Scotty wrote: I know all documentation I have found online says to use PC 2700 333mhz RAM with an MDD but I know some computers will just downclock the RAM if you put faster RAM into the machine. Is this the case with an MDD G4? I have a lot of PC3200 DDR RAM kicking around and I am wondering if it would work in an MDD G4 Power Mac. Low density sticks (found that out myself) other than that, the max will always be 2gb no matter what combo you use. Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?
Once again this is going off topic but this seems to be the thread for it. One thing that was impressive with the G4 in it's day compared to the P4s of the same time was that you could get similar or better performance from a CPU that used only passive cooling (heatsink). P4s at the time ran crazy hot and we used to joke that Intel would have to start shipping their CPUs with fire extinguishers. Heck with a Prescott P4 80-90 degrees Celsius was considered normal operating temps. Yikes! The core duo based on the Pentium M really saved Intel's bacon. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:37 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: I have the latest DVD rip I'm sending to a TiVo, will run on both machines to confirm exact ratio I see. So, the DVD I transcoded from rips, the MDD Dual 1.25 G4 = 115 min, the Quad 2.8 Intel = 19 min. 1/6 the time. It was an 1:35 long DVD, encoded to .mpg for TiVo. Some other format changes seem to have a larger ratio, 8-10 to 1 in some cases. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?
Actually you can roll your own apps for PPC. That's what Linux for PPC or if you want serious geek cred NetBSD PPC is for. lol On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011/03/22 08:42, ah...clem so eloquently wrote: On Mar 22, 7:10 am, JoeTaxpayerjoetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: Tina - you hit the nail on the head here. I was running Dual 1.25GHz MDD G4 which I still love, 3 of them helping to keep my house warm. The only thing they are slow at is the video encode. You Tube, no issue. But the encode? 2-4 hours per hour of video depending on the format change. I bought the same Mac Pro you have, and it flies, less than 1/10th the time to do the same encodes. Truth is, I am not a power user, but as the G4s were nearing 8 years old, it was my family that pretty much told me I need to spend some money on myself. And yes, it's cool to take a video off a camera and see it on the tivo a few minutes later. On Mar 22, 12:41 am, Tina K.penguir...@gmail.com wrote: And if you don't believe this, try running Handbrake on a VIDEO_TS folder. It should be done in a day or three, whereas a Macbook Pro will probably finish in about half the time, maybe less. I have a sentimental attachment to my PPC Macs, and was sorry to see Apple switch to Intel (AMD anyone?), Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 there you go AGAIN, confusing software performance with CPU performance. the apps you refer to were written for the Win/Tel architecture, and ported to the PPC by lazy and/or incompetent boobs who wouldn't or couldn't rewrite the program from the ground up in such a way as to fully exploit the Altivec processor. a 1 gig intel processor does a billion floating-point operations per second, while a 1 gig PPC does one billion 64-bit vector operations per second. it is theoretically 64 times faster than an intel CPU with the same clock speed, but only if you have programmers smart enough and industrious enough to exploit it's full power. why do you think the DOD still restricts the sale of G4s and G5s overseas, but you can give north korea all the intel machines they want. Theory is all well and good, but it won't trans-code my videos or do anything else. Unless you are able to roll your own apps that do use the PPCs abilities efficiently, reality is that a MacPro is faster than a Power Mac. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.4.11 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?
Not surprising that you have had hardware issues with the Intel Macs. I have been doing service work on PCs for years and that is pretty standard with intel based systems.I have to ask though with the X86 Mac what on earth was Apple thinking with Intel integrated graphics. Intel integrated GPUs were considered a joke on the Wintel side long before Apple made the switch so why got with a graphics platform that many consider to be an oxymoron especially given who Apples clients tend to be. On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: I remember it taking about four days to rip a DVD (REALLY high quality rip) using HandBrake on a Dual 1GHZ MDD. I then ripped the same DVD on a 2.8GHZ P4 Hackintosh in one day. I will say that I have seen A LOT more hardware problems with the newer Macs, as oposed to the rock solid G4 towers. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?
Very true. That comment was intended to only be half serious with a little humour. That certainly works too. On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 22, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Daniel Stewart wrote: Actually you can roll your own apps for PPC. That's what Linux for PPC or if you want serious geek cred NetBSD PPC is for. lol Or Apple's developer tools -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?
I understand that more content is being posted in HD but most if not all of what I watch has the option to dial it down a bit to say 360p and it runs fine. I think it might be partly people forgetting these machines are several years old because they are still so capable at everything else that sometimes you forget you are using an older machine. I have also heard that most of the problem with flash on PPC has more to do with the PPC implementation of Flash being horribly written and has more to do with the mediocre effort of an Adobe software developer then the actual hardware. I am not a programmer so I could not really make an informed decision on that one. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote: I honestly don't know what everyone complains about with G4s and Flash. It runs nearly flawlessly on both the Quicksilver 933mhz I had and the 733mhz Digital Audio Power macs with basically stock hardware. A LOT of Youtube's content is now HD, which is the problem; people connect to a yourtube video and it runs like crap because a machine that old is just not capable of decoding HD flash video, particularly with the Flash browser plugin. I can watch Youtube stuff adequately on my 1.67 GHz AlBook, but only by downloading the video (in my case with CosmoPod) so I can play the video with Quicktime (flash requires the Perian plugin, but so does real life,. it's a must-have QT plugin for all mac users http://perian.org/ ) On my old 1Ghz TiBook even this wouldn't work with anything above 360p HD, which is pretty crappy. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?
I think with the comparison of the laptop G4s to current intel offerings is a like comparing apples and oranges but that is a different story. The point I am looking to make here is the Intel Mac may be faster then the older PPC offerings but I would like to point out that a friend of mine works in a print shop and they use Macs exclusively in the art room. They have both brand new Intel Macs and old G4 power macs as backup machines. But truth be told they have found they are much more impressed with the old G4s because unlike the new faster Intel macs the G4s are actually consistently reliable. Their Intel Macs are consistently crashing or malfunctioning in some other way. The G4s are the only machines that consistently function. What good is a brand new Ferrari if half the time you turn the key nothing happens? What matters more. Speed or reliability. On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 21, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Richard Gerome wrote: I would like to see AMD because I'm not crazy about my 2008 Macbook with 2G processor and 2G memory running Snow Leopard... My old Titanium Powerbook A1025 runs better running Tiger!!! Then something is seriously wrong with your MacBook, and an AMD processor will not fix anything. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Overclock a G4 iMac?
I honestly don't know what everyone complains about with G4s and Flash. It runs nearly flawlessly on both the Quicksilver 933mhz I had and the 733mhz Digital Audio Power macs with basically stock hardware. Maybe the imacs are not so great since they were consumer level machines but honestly unless I try and run a you tube video at 720p it runs fine. But I would not expect a computer of any manufacture that old to stream HD anyway. Are my machines anomalies in that they handle youtube and other Flash sites just fine? On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 20, 2011, at 8:52 AM, John Carmonne wrote: Is there an application that will buffer a You Tube file as to afford smooth play on the slower processors? Yes, use some application to download the video, transcode it to dvd and play it that way. You can see the minor drawbacks of this process: it takes far more processing power than just playing the video. Seriously, it's time to consign the PPC to the scrap heap for this kind of application. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which would be the better Mac?
Well I appreciate all the advice. I have a lot more to think about now. What got me started on all this was the fact that my Blueberry Apple Studio Display CRT(the one that went with the Power Mac G3 BW) is no more and I thought I might be able to get what seemed at least on the surface a faster Mac for what I would pay for a new monitor and the whole computer would take up as much room as my old monitor did all by itself freeing up some space. I was also reading an article on LEM about upgrading the Emac with external peripherals and it got me thinking. With firewire external peripherals would I really miss USB 2.0? I could connect a firewire 400 external drive with 1TB easily and the difference in maxing out the RAM is 1GB on the Emac and 1.5 GBs on the DA. Plus I would have to spend nearly as much to get my DA up to snuff. I was also thinking with the purchase of the Emac I could break even selling the DA which would be nice. I guess I have plenty to think about. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 16-03-2011 6:18, Scotty ha scritto: I have a Power Mac Digital Audio 733mhz with 512 MB of RAM and I have just had the opportunity to purchase a 1.0Ghz Emac all in one. I am just wondering which computer would be more effective for my needs. I'd stay with the G4 DA, investing the money into upgrades. First, memory: 1GB Ram should be enough. Second, maybe, a processor upgrade; I think you could find something cheap on eBay. I have a G4 DA as well, originally 667 MHz, now with 1GB Ram and a 1.4 GHz CPU upgrade. I'm using it professionally for DTP, with Adobe CS3... so it's still a very good machine, being born in 2001. :-) Another advantage of having a desktop unit, you can easily upgrade its components: apart from Ram, I changed several HDs, added a GeForce 4 video card and USB2 card, etc. (you can't do most of that with an eMac). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which would be the better Mac?
Thanks everyone for your input and wonderful advice. So I have decided to keep my DA 733mhz Power Mac which I got for a steal btw. I got it used for $25 because it had no HDD and had only 256MBs of RAM. I got it to it's current state with spare parts around home. I will save up for a 512 MB stick of RAM or two and forget the Emac. I also found someone selling an identical Blueberry G3 monitor to the one I needed to replace. :-) I love those monitors. They are big and weight a ton but they have better picture quality then most midrange LCDs. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 17-03-2011 9:29, Daniel Stewart ha scritto: I thought I might be able to get what seemed at least on the surface a faster Mac Yes... in part. Because the G4 DA has more cache: - iMac 1GHz: 256KB L2 - G4 DA 733MHz: 1MB L2, 1MB L3 Besides, you could have (or get) a faster video card in the G4. In the end, I think the average speed wouldn't differ much. With firewire external peripherals would I really miss USB 2.0? You would, only if you have to connect that peripheral to a PC with USB only. If you plan to use it just with Macs, you're fine. I was also thinking with the purchase of the Emac I could break even selling the DA which would be nice. Only you can value the money... :-) If you don't plan to upgrade much (a big plus on the G4), you could go for the eMac. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good time machine alternative for Tiger on a DA 733
Thanks. That is basically what I need it to do so I can make backups. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: I use Carbon Copy Cloner. (CCC). It's free, and will do a total backup. I'm not sure how similar it is to Time Machine, but you CAN schedule backups with it. I use a Hackintosh with two 1TB hard drives, and everyday at 4am the main drive gets cloned onto the other drive. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: GeForce 6800 vs 6200
I agree that you may need to check you power supply to make sure it can handle it, but gaming is not the only instance where hadware graphic acceleration is helpful. Anything graphics/video intensive will almost certainly benefit. I am not sure how that argument of the CPU being a bottleneck is relevant though unless I am completely misunderstanding their meaning. The whole reason a video card was invented in the first place was to take as much of the graphics related work off the CPU and system memory. So the best video card you can get away with should actually benefit a system with a modest CPU because the video card is handling most of the graphics workload. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:08 AM, skinnie andre.fa...@ua.pt wrote: Guess it will only give some improvement if you game a lot, and even so the sawtooth cpu is already the bottleneck on the 6200. keep in mind that 6800 need good Power Supplys.. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: GeForce 6800 vs 6200
It would most definitely be an improvement unless the 6800 is PCI. lol. The new card would probably have better and/or more pipelines, pixel shaders...etc and the GPU clock speed will be faster. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:11 PM, faithie999 faithie...@hotmail.com wrote: i'm running an XFX GeForce 6200 (flashed) video card in my Sawtooth. i'm wondering if a galaxy GeForce 6800 would be an appreciable improvement. thanks ken baker -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G4 733mhz Digital Audio dilemma
I have no idea how to use CCC. Is it something I have to buy? On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:43 PM, Scotty wrote: I just recently acqired a Digital Audio 733mhz for $25 (it needed ram and a HDD which I had on hand). So I have it up and running, but I am looking for advice for an OS. I have 10.2.8 installed currently. I was wondering if this very old version of OS X is really of any use anymore or whether I should maybe try a PPC Linux distro. I would like to add that I have a copy of leopard from my Quicksilver but if fails to install and Leopard Assist does not seem to work (I have actually never successfully gotten Leopard Assist to work on a non supported G4.). I had this issue with my old lampshade iMac 800mhz. Try a CCC version of Leopard ... I have a DA Dual 533 running Leopard. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hardware Test CD
Unfortunately the version I have is AHT 1.2.4 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Feb 8, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: AHT 1.2.4, which I got for my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz, just ran successfully on my Digital Audio Dual 533. I did not remove my PCI cards on either machine as Apple suggests, or disconnect the Ethernet. Luck maybe? I had the Geforce4 MX native video card in each machine, if I remember correctly about the QS 2002. It is currently in my DA Dual 533. After googling, I found: http://www.applelinks.com/index.php/more/apple_posts_hardware_test_images_and_information_for_free_download/ which suggests AHT 1.2.6. It links you to Apple's page for this version and others. http://www.info.apple.com/support/aht.html Good Luck. Being interested in it myself, I tried to Download it ... I apologize, but that Apple link only gave me a file that only contained the ReadMe file. Any help out there locating AHT 1.2.6? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
I have not tried it myself, but wouldn't dual booting being an option? Then you could just boot into whichever OS you need at the time. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Dan wrote: I've found Sheepshaver to be sluggish and/or crashy Sure that isn't just the experience of using OS 9 after living with OS X for so long? gdr -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
I didn't think of dual booting multiple versions of OS X either. lol Good to know about the OS9 /OS X dual boot option though. My trusty Quicksilver 2002 runs both just fine. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote: I have not tried it myself, but wouldn't dual booting being an option? Then you could just boot into whichever OS you need at the time. That has worked for me. Using Leopard 10.5.8, and having OS 9 Classic under Tiger 10.4.11, and going back when needed. Each on a separate partition. Oh DUH! I didn't think of two versions of OSX... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quick Silver issue
Do you have the Quicksilver and another computer hooked up to a monitor via a KVM switch? I had this exact same issue under Tiger with my 933 mhz Quicksilver 2002 when it was hooked it up to my Blueberry Apple Studio monitor along with a PC via a KVM switch. Stranger still was when I installed Leopard the issue disappeared. On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Baldassare Guzzo guz...@gmail.com wrote: What monitor are you using? Do you have anything plugged into the USB ports? On Dec 14, 2010, at 11:36 PM, DLC dlcatft...@frontier.com wrote: Hello gang, Happy to post a query that is not list-nanny issue related :-) I recently swapped for a G4 QuickSilver (800MHz DP/1.5Gb RAM, stock HD and video-NVidia Twinview). I installed a new copy of Tiger on the HD, upped it to 10.4.11 and off I went - it operates perfectly fine except for one issue: it will not shut down. When asked to shut down - either via the menu or keystroke (command-option-control-eject key), the unit shuts down, but within 1 second proceeds to start up again. I have: zapped PRAM/ NVRAM, reset the board, swapped out for a newer PRAM battery, installed/ran Onyx and gave it a good cleaning; I even added a second hard drive, installed OS 9.2.2, ran from it and shut down - same issue! How do I shut it down? I let it restart, and after the bong, before anything starts loading, I flip the switch on the surge suppressor - hardly an optimum method I know that this issue was talked about earlier re: a Sawtooth and an unsupported Keyspan USB card (neither the case here). And, I haven't yet tried terminal-level commands (will do tomorrow). Beyond that, any thoughts? Maybe the power board is wonky? Thank you for any consideration/wisdom. Best regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Clamshell Won't boot off CD
I would suggest popping a cleaning CD into the drive. It might help. I have had similar issues in the past and giving the drive a clean did the trick even when it did not really seem like it should be the problem. On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: The CD is clean, and the drive reads the 9.0.4 installer perfectly. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple inside?
As an interesting aside I there was also a PPC native version of Windows NT 4.0 I guess MS was not content to just subject PC users to NT. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:54 PM, James Therrault wrote: AIX was in use on Macs way before the PPC days. I remember a developer using it in 1990... AIX is IBM's proprietary frankenunix, you're thinking of A/UX, which was Apple's port of System V:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/UX -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple inside?
Well you are right that AMD does not do PPC CPUs you could not be more wrong about the switch to Intel being a smart move. They only did it to boost lagging laptop sales because they were stuck with the G4 because the G5 ran too hot to stick it in a laptop and they were loosing clock speed marketing war because the G4 was pushed pretty much to it's limit. The thing is Motorola/IBM did deliver on a PPC solution that had a low energy power footprint drastically lower then anything Intel had and that Blew even the top G5s out of the water but it came a few months too late because Apple in their impatience jumped too soon and ended up with a mediocre solution all because they could not push back a release date on new laptops. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:47 AM, schaf...@comcast.net wrote: - Original Message - From: James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:07:20 AM Subject: Re: Apple inside? On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:26 AM, Dan wrote: I'm thinking by next summer/fall, Apple will be offering A4 portables and Core i7 and i9 desktops. OS X and iOS merged (Lion being the first step), and able to run on either ARM or x86. yum. Interesting, but I still think that Apple dropped the ball with regard to option to power sucking G5 chips for laptops. Neither IBM or Motorola could do it but maybe a special arrangement with other Intel competitors to work on a low power PPC such as AMD could have proven fruitful. Power technology is now way up there with regards to clock speed supporting multiple cores. Just my 2¢ worth... JT (Curses on Comcast for not setting the quote function.) 8^P AMD does not do PPC. Apple's decision to do Intel, particularly for laptops, was sound. It let them compete with PCs. It was because Motorola could not deliver a low-energy, powerful footprint. Intel is undeniably better at that! As a G4/G5 participant, I lament the loss of g4/g5 technology, but I understand the move to Intel. Moving to an Apple-produced processor also is intriguing. Let the good times roll... - Peter -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple inside?
The thing was though the new PPC processor apparently made the Core2 duo look like a Celeron in terms of performance and I don't know many Apple users who want to Use Windoze unless they absolutely have to and there are emulators that would have run XP or the Vista virus on the PPC platform if you absolutely insist on it. Ultimately Apple ended up looking like impatient dummies and paid the price. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Alex Barnes kab...@gmail.com wrote: (snip) Well you are right that AMD does not do PPC CPUs you could not be more wrong about the switch to Intel being a smart move. They only did it to boost lagging laptop sales because they were stuck with the G4 because the G5 ran too hot to stick it in a laptop and they were loosing clock speed marketing war because the G4 was pushed pretty much to it's limit. The thing is Motorola/IBM did deliver on a PPC solution that had a low energy power footprint drastically lower then anything Intel had and that Blew even the top G5s out of the water but it came a few months too late because Apple in their impatience jumped too soon and ended up with a mediocre solution all because they could not push back a release date on new laptops. (snip) The switch to Intel was a smart move because it enabled the Macs to dual boot Windoze and in turn it brought in a lot of sales. Also, I like the Intel CPUs because even the weakest ones were faster than the G5s. My 13 MBP has wy better benchmarks than the last Powermac G5. On Oct 24, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Daniel Stewart wrote: Well you are right that AMD does not do PPC CPUs you could not be more wrong about the switch to Intel being a smart move. They only did it to boost lagging laptop sales because they were stuck with the G4 because the G5 ran too hot to stick it in a laptop and they were loosing clock speed marketing war because the G4 was pushed pretty much to it's limit. The thing is Motorola/IBM did deliver on a PPC solution that had a low energy power footprint drastically lower then anything Intel had and that Blew even the top G5s out of the water but it came a few months too late because Apple in their impatience jumped too soon and ended up with a mediocre solution all because they could not push back a release date on new laptops. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:47 AM, schaf...@comcast.net wrote: - Original Message - From: James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:07:20 AM Subject: Re: Apple inside? On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:26 AM, Dan wrote: I'm thinking by next summer/fall, Apple will be offering A4 portables and Core i7 and i9 desktops. OS X and iOS merged (Lion being the first step), and able to run on either ARM or x86. yum. Interesting, but I still think that Apple dropped the ball with regard to option to power sucking G5 chips for laptops. Neither IBM or Motorola could do it but maybe a special arrangement with other Intel competitors to work on a low power PPC such as AMD could have proven fruitful. Power technology is now way up there with regards to clock speed supporting multiple cores. Just my 2¢ worth... JT (Curses on Comcast for not setting the quote function.) 8^P AMD does not do PPC. Apple's decision to do Intel, particularly for laptops, was sound. It let them compete with PCs. It was because Motorola could not deliver a low-energy, powerful footprint. Intel is undeniably better at that! As a G4/G5 participant, I lament the loss of g4/g5 technology, but I understand the move to Intel. Moving to an Apple-produced processor also is intriguing. Let the good times roll... - Peter -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Re: Apple inside?
Bruce I was talking about how things were perceived when it was revealed that they would have had a far better product if they had waited and your comments are misleading since the vast majority of Apple's record sales and stock increases over the last several years have been generated almost entirely by sales of the many incarnations of the ipod not computers. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Daniel Stewart wrote: Ultimately Apple ended up looking like impatient dummies and paid the price. yeah, record-breaking profits, stock at stratospheric highs, a complete rejuvenation of the platform and more Macs sold than ever in their history. Dell stockholders could only WISH to 'pay such a price' -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: will DA processor fit in Gigabit?
I can't agree with that. A P4 is the definition of hype verses performance. My G4 933 mhz Quicksilver is more responsive then a P4 at twice the clock speed and the ram is PC133 on my QS and it is still the better machine. P4s were not even that great with windows. Plus a P4 is basically a space heater in a computer case. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it will fit. Yes, it will be much faster. But you don't gain terribly much from it. It's still an old G4, and it won't blaze along at very many things. If you want speed, just pony up $100, buy a faster P4 desktop, and OSX86 the thing. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Peter Haas peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: On Aug 6, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Geke wrote: 1. How tricky is it to put the DA's CPU into the Gigabit? The CPU is the same, but I read that the location of the CPU card on machines previous to the digital audio would require some modifications to the motherboard/case. (The other way I can manage; I have the Sonnet instructions for putting in the Encore.) The Giga-Designs processor upgrades were designed from the outset to fit in either processor position: the old position as found in the Gigabit Ethernet G4s or the new position as found in the Digital Audio and Quicksilver G4s. Giga does this by having a two-position processor cooler, and an innovative board layout which accommodates the special need of the Gigabit Ethernet for access to its optical/ZIP drive PATA channel. The Giga-Designs processors were also designed for easy changes from a 100 MHz bus machine to a 133 MHz bus machine. I don't know if Encore offers this same flexibility. 2. What do I gain by this swap? I mean, the DA is a bit newer and faster, but is it worth it, or should I just switch to the Gigabit? - I have already tried the DA's video card in the Gigabit and it works OK; does it make a big difference that the DA is AGPx4 and the Gigabit AGPx2? - The RAM in both computers is PC-133 - Does the slower ATA bus speed of the Gigabit make a big difference in actual practice? It can make a difference, but that difference is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 minutes to do a complex DVD authoring/mastering job on a Gigabit Ethernet (100 MHz bus, an slower ATA channel) to 120 minutes to do the same job on a Digital Audio or a Quicksilver (133 MHz bus and faster ATA channel). In stark contrast, a Shuttle SP35 OSx86 Hackintosh can do that same DVD authoring/mastering job in 12 minutes ... a 10-to-1 improvement in wall-cock-time, which is certainly one important measure of performance. I still retain 133 MHz bus G4s for ordinary work (such as web access and Mail.app access, for which a 133 MHz bus and a dual 1.0 GHz G4 processor is certainly satisfactory). All the heavy lifting in my shop is now run on OSx86 Hackintoshes with, variously, 800 MHz to 1600 MHz buses and dual or quad Intel processors in the very high 2 MHz to low 3 MHz range (Pentium Dual-Core E6700 3.2 GHz, but over-clockable to 3.8 GHz to Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83 GHz, but over-clockable to 3.4 GHz; however, I rarely operate my processors over-clocked, preferring reliability over excessive stress on the various components). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
IBM deskstars are known for hardware failure and used to be nicknamed deathstars because of it. I am surprised you have not had trouble sooner with them. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:08 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All I have an IBM Deskstar 3.5 Apple logo HDD 82 Gig that decided not to boot or even show on a desk top I can hear it spinning but it constantly clicks. Is this a canidate for the trash heap? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
I am aware that this is a mechanical issue that all mechanical HDDs do experience regardless of brand, but I would argue that it is more then just 'the nature of the beast' when a particular model suffers failures in large enough numbers that it becomes it's claim to fame. I have to admit I did not know that those issues where mostly limited to the 40-60GB drives. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jul 8, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Daniel Stewart wrote: IBM deskstars are known for hardware failure and used to be nicknamed deathstars because of it. The so-called 'DeathStar' drives were pretty well limited to the 40-60 GB drive series. IBM later sold their hard drive business to Hitachi, who still sell them under the 'DeskStar' name. The 'click of death' is a very common hard drive failure mode across all models of hard drive. Every drive manufacturer has had some model lines that had QC and/or design issues; no drive manufacturer is uniformly bad. You cannot make the blanket statement that 'Oh all those insert manufacturer name here drives are horrible.' Google's studies of drive failure are the best data we have, http://tinyurl.com/2bfcgfp, the rest of the stuff I can find is exemplified by things like this http://tinyurl.com/36x6vqo which is quite possibly the stupidest experimental design for a statistical survey I've ever seen. I didn't know Iomega made hard drives... IBM's (and later Hitachi's) DeskStar and TravelStar series were (and are) decent drives, but hard drives fail, period...they're mechanical devices heir to all the wear and woes of mechanical devices, and one that's been kicking along since 2002 has had a long and useful life, for a consumer drive. We have drives on servers that have been around since then, and are still working, but those are also on systems that we're afraid to shut down, because they probably won't come back up, and they were $500 enterprise SCSI-3 drives. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: i need help building this mac
Something that might be worth looking up online is a custom gaming rig someone build a few years back with a Socket A AMD mobo in a Quicksilver case. That might give you some ideas on how to get the power supply to fit. I believe he called it the Poison Apple. Try googling it. On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:41 AM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jul 6, 2010, at 6:45 AM, Dan wrote: At 3:08 AM -0400 7/6/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: I have a case of a quicksilver, but the parts of a G3 beige desktop. I was fed up at how old the casing of the G3 beige looked, so I took the entire G3 apart, and I am attempting to put the parts in the G4 quicksilver case, but the G3 power supply box won't fit. I tried an ATX power supply box, and looks like it didn't work out. Is there any ATX power supply box I could use to work with the G3 disguised as a G4 quicksilver? Duct tape the G3's power supply onto the top of the QuickSilver. A knitted cozy will cover it nicely. - Dan. I have blue Duct tape that would be a nice contrast with the QuickSliver:-) JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CPU Temp?
I tried this. This app and every other one I have tried do not give CPU temp for my Quicksilver, only HDD temp. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Steve Thompson macg4.st...@googlemail.com wrote: On 20/06/2010 03:01, Ricardo Sevilla wrote: Hello all. I have a quick question. Does any one know of an application that monitors cpu temp? OR, does anyone know how or where I can find this information? The reason being is I have a Cpu upgrade in my Quicksilver and wanted to see how much of a difference the supplied fans cooled the cpu. I have a few modifications in mind to try to minimize the noise while retaining the temps at a minimum. Any one have any ideas on how they cooled their Quicksilvers or G4s? Thanks in advance. I use Temperature Monitor from Marcel Bresink on my G4 1GHZ it displays the system Temp and SMART status in the taskbar. http://www.bresink.com/osx/TemperatureMonitor.html Steve -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CPU Temp?
I must have missed that. Good to know. On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Daniel Stewart daniel.stewart...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 30 June, 2010 7:45:02 Subject: Re: CPU Temp? I tried this. This app and every other one I have tried do not give CPU temp for my Quicksilver, only HDD temp. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Steve Thompson macg4.st...@googlemail.com wrote: On 20/06/2010 03:01, Ricardo Sevilla wrote: Hello all. I have a quick question. Does any one know of an application that monitors cpu temp? OR, does anyone know how or where I can find this information? The reason being is I have a Cpu upgrade in my Quicksilver and wanted to see how much of a difference the supplied fans cooled the cpu. I have a few modifications in mind to try to minimize the noise while retaining the temps at a minimum. Any one have any ideas on how they cooled their Quicksilvers or G4s? Thanks in advance. I use Temperature Monitor from Marcel Bresink on my G4 1GHZ it displays the system Temp and SMART status in the taskbar. http://www.bresink.com/osx/TemperatureMonitor.html Steve This software will return the CPU temperature only if the CPU was built with a sensor contained therein. It can't report a sensor reading if there is no sensor there. Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iLife 08 on 933mhz PM QS
Well it is amazing what saving the install file to the HDD and a hex editor will do. It is installing as we speak without complaint. I will let you know if iMovie actually loads after it is installed. :-) On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:58 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 21, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Yes there is a way. Here it is fof iMovie 09: MacOSXHints ... Run iMovie '09 on a PowerPC G4 http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20090130074400511 See if that link works. I don't know if this works in this case but I put this kind of thing on machines that are not up to the processor via CCC, saves a lot of time. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iLife 08 on 933mhz PM QS
Thanks everyone. After trying several different things I have decided to throw in the towel. My old iMovie 1.0 from the original Quicksilver install disks works fine for what I use it for and actually runs under Leopard. It was the other applications especially iPhoto that I needed which is why I bought iLife 08 anyway. I just wanted to try this to see if it would work for kicks more then a need to get it working and it is going nowhere so I will stick with what I have. :-) Thanks anyway. On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Jun 21, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Yes there is a way. Here it is fof iMovie 09: MacOSXHints ... Run iMovie '09 on a PowerPC G4 http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20090130074400511 See if that link works. I meant to point out, I believe this is for iLife 09 which has iMovie 8 as part of the 09 package. I also seem to remember iMovie 8 also has an upgrade, and you need to have the later mods done again, as the file being changed to allow the installation, was altered. Hope this makes sense ... trying to remember what happened ... iMovie 8 did open, although I did not use it much ... instead, I bought a copy of Final Cut Express 4 off eBay, and use that to Capture my VHS video along with an ADVC 300, and then iDVD from the iLife 09 package, to burn my DVD. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX is a 32-bit operating system?? is this true??
I don't know for sure, but up until recently there has been so few 64 bit applications out there to make it largely irrelevant until fairly recently. On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 6:47 PM, ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com wrote: i've just been informed by a reliable source that OSX is a 32-bit operating system, and because of that, no application can address more than 2GB of RAM. if this is true, i am shocked. WTF is going on at apple?? hyping 64-bit hardware for the past seven years and loading it with a 32-bit OS??? can anyone confirm or refute this assertion? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS X upgrade question
I should probably mention that it says on the Software Restore disks that it is compatible with OS 10.1.2 and OS 9.22. Should that give me problems with 104.11? On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 6:59 PM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Scotty wrote: This may fit under the heading of stupid newbie questions so please be patient with me. My Mac may be 8 years old, but I am really new to the platform. I have a G4 933 mhz Quicksilver. When I bought it had a clean install of OSX 10.5 on it, but no 10.5 disk was included with it. Anyway. The software that came with is the original 'grey' copy of 10.1 , all the original application disks plus a retail copy of 10.2 and I have 10.4 from my old lampshade G4 iMac. Anyway. What I am wondering is if I can start by installing the original OS 10.1 and the original application disks then can I install 10.4 as an upgrade and without affecting the original application installs or should I try loading the original application disks that came with 10.1 after I have 10.4 installed or does it even matter. Basically I want to get 10.4 Tiger installed with the original quicksilver applications installed if possible. Just do straight 10.4 and the the updates to 10.4.11. you can skip all the other stuff. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD or Quicksilver?
Well the biggest difference off the top of my head will be the RAM. The Quicksilver uses older PC 133 SDRAM and the MDD uses newer DDR RAM which also explains the difference in price for the RAM. PC 133 is quite expensive these days. There is also the bus speed of the mainboard too which is different. I have a Quicksilver 933mhz (single processor) and I runs 10.5 just fine with 1.25 GBs (1.5 GBs is the max) of RAM so either model will run Leopard just fine. On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Dave Bjur d...@bjurconsulting.com wrote: Greetings, I am new to the group, and would appreciate your advice and counsel. The motherboard for my wife's 1.8 gHz 20 G5 iMac gave up last week. Since money is tight, I'm planning to set her up with a G4 PowerMac. I recently purchased two surplus models ($50 ea.): Quicksilver dual processor 1 gHz, SuperDrive, 512 MB RAM MDD dual processor 867 GHz, combo drive, 512 MB RAM I'm thinking to add (from OWC): IOGEAR Hi-Speed USB 2.0 5-Port PCI Expansion Card (faster data transfer for existing peripherals) FirmTek SeriTek/1S2 Serial ATA/150 Dual Channel Mac PCI Controller (to access her G5 iMac hard drive and a future additional drive). Another GB of RAM -- The QuickSilver has the SuperDrive and seems quieter, yet the RAM for the MDD is less expensive. I've searched through the list archives and read some pros and cons regarding these machines. 1. Considering these two that I have, I would appreciate any input regarding which to use as the foundation for my wife's computer. 2. I would also appreciate any additional or different upgrades you might suggest. I have a limited budget. 3. Will either boot directly from her existing SATA drive once a controller is installed? 4. She's been using 10.5, so I would like to continue with that unless the performance difference warrants returning to 10.4. Thanks in advance, Dave Bjur d...@bjurconsulting.com (208) 305-1514 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
Whether a computer is obselete really depends on what you want to do with the computer. I mean the space shuttle runs of a i386. I use mine primarily as my digital darkroom for photography and it works perfectly for what I use it for. Furthermore various open source software will likely extend their lifespan even further. I have also noticed Apple users tend to be in my experience people more concerned with whether there computer gets the job done instead of just having the newest hardware for the sake of bragging rights. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jun 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Bill Christensen wrote: If you can get 4gigs of RAM in a sawtooth (which officially has a max capacity of 2 gigs), I want to know how! I'm not certain if this article will enable 4GB RAM for you, but I suspect it will, if this is possible? Instead of reducing the memory, as the title of this article references, you'd be increasing it instead: http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/qa/qa2001/qa1099.html Note about RAM module sizes. Sizes are in hex: 1000 = 256mb 2000 = 512mb 4000 = 1gb ... and so forth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.5 install issues. PM G4 Quicksilver 933mhz w/1.25 GB RAM
Yeah it is a universal install disk. When I try and get it to boot with the C key I get the white screen with the grey Apple logo, but it does not seem to be doing anything. Is there some way to bring up a verbose mode that would tell me if the computer is doing anything? Furthermore if for some reason it won't boot using the internal DVD drive can I boot from an external USB DVD drive to do the install? On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:13 AM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2010, at 3:44 AM, Scotty wrote: I found my 10.5 install disk and I am trying to install it on my Quicksilver and running into problems. The disk starts up just fine from the desktop in 10.4, but it seems that if I try too boot from the DVD it either pops open the DVD tray and just boots from the HDD or it sits at the white screen with the grey apple logo. Is there anyway I can do to get some info to display as to whether it is just taking a long time to boot from the DVD or whether it is just 'stuck.' With just the grey apple screen at the moment I can't even be sure it is reading the DVD and doing anything. If it starts from start up disk un system prefs then it should start in c key with power button. Sometimes they take time to read from c key. Do you have a universal install disc? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?
Well yeah that is kind of what defines open source, but you could say the same thing about Windows and with the exception on Windows 7 I have found nothing more reliable then the open source stuff on the PC side. I am wondering if I would be better going with an out of date, and unsupported version os OS X or a distro of Linux that will continue to be supported and developped by enthusiasts. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote: Scotty wrote: I have a used G4 Quicksilver w/1.25 GB RAM that I love and well it came with 10.5 installed but I have to re-install an OS on it. I don't have a copy of 10.5 , but I do have the Original OS 10.2 disk that came with the Quicksilver, A copy of 10.4 from my old Lampshade iMac G4 that I am not sure if it will work with the Power Mac or I could look into a PPC Linux or BSD distro and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions in terms of what I would get the best performance out of my hardware. Stick with OS-X. Buy whatever copy you need to put on your Mac. I would not have said this 5 years ago. OS-X is what happens when you pay the programmers. Linux is what happens when you talk them into volunteering. Peace, Dennis in Victoria -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
I use a Power Mac G4 because I can afford it, it is very attractive and it is very stable. In fact a friend of mine who works with them in a professional capacity at a print shop and she said in their experience in the art room their old G4 Power Macs are more consistently reliable then their Brand new Intel Macs. That seems like good enough reasons for me. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:13 PM, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/23/10 3:36 PM, Mac User #330250 at macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: One thing is certain though: Intel gave the Macs the performance boost to compete the PCs again. I don't blame Apple for that. It just would have been nice of Apple to extend support for Tiger (Classic) and Leopard (Mac OS X on PowerPC) due to this. Do you remember the Run to the GigaHertz in early 2000s? As far as I can remember Apple had to wait almost 2 years before launching a GigaHertz-processor machine, and this was a great marketing blow for Steve Jobs' company. -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
