Re: I want to set up my G5 to run Linux

[Jesse]

I've actually done it, my last 2 systems were a g5 and a g4..   I have 
since updated to an intel Mac ( my last systems were stolen) but I still have 
the Slackintosh ISO's that are more secure on those machine as opposed to 
leopard   And I could walk you thru it also I just wish I had a g5 
again, they are so dang fast...   Hmmm hmmm AltiVec velocity engines  I 
still would rather watch movies and listen to my tunes on one of those instead. 
If you interested in those I could make a torrent for you and get you a hash to 
make sure it came thru properly for you



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> I've looked around a little on the Web for how to set up a PowerMac G5 with 
> Linux, but could use suggestions/advice--NOT mere pointers to information 
> sources--and maybe a small amount of help by Email or phone (within the USA). 
> (I'm a long-time Mac user and know a little about Linux too, so I shouldn't 
> need much help by email or phone.)
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: PowerMac G5 Kernel Panics after being on for several hours to a day or two.

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> Hi,
> 
> So I've got a DualCore 2.3Ghz G5 PowerMac, which I've had for a few months 
> now. It seems to have kernel panics when it's left on for several hours to a 
> couple days. I was wondering if anyone here could glean anything from the 
> error report that comes up after the computer is rebooted.
> 
> Interval Since Last Panic Report:  450614 sec
> Panics Since Last Report:  1
> 
> Sun Sep  6 22:55:41 2015 
Right down below. 
> Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 1): 0x700 - Program
that it is only reference the second CPU ( in unix/Linux in an smp environment  
is referenced in console as CPU 0 or CPU 1.   
You may have just a dirty machine or maybe your fan isn't functioning to spec  
anymore   Also consider digging thru console boot messages, and try to 
align the time in there with any other errors that may have happened around 
that time. Digging around on LEM is also a good way to diagnose this as well, 
resetting apple open firmware, and the smc and so forth is usually a good way 
to tune up, and see what is really wrong with it. Also, get your hands on the 
apple hardware test disk, it's somewhere on the Internet ! Good luck!
> DAR=0x5C76F000 PC=0x608576D4
> Latest crash info for cpu 1:
>   Exception state (sv=0x6b0c4500)
>  PC=0x608576D4; MSR=0x00089030; DAR=0x5C76F000; DSISR=0x4200; 
> LR=0x608576D4; R1=0x60857620; XCP=0x001C (0x700 - Program)
>  Backtrace:
> 0x608576D4
> backtrace terminated - unaligned frame address: 0x608576F8
> 
> Proceeding back via exception chain:
>   Exception state (sv=0x6b0c4500)
>  previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
>   Exception state (sv=0x6ad77c80)
>  PC=0x; MSR=0xD030; DAR=0x; DSISR=0x; 
> LR=0x; R1=0x; XCP=0x (Unknown)
> 
> BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task
> 
> Mac OS version:
> 9L31a
> 
> Kernel version:
> Darwin Kernel Version 9.8.0: Wed Jul 15 16:57:01 PDT 2009; 
> root:xnu-1228.15.4~1/RELEASE_PPC
> System model name: PowerMac11,2
> 
> System uptime in nanoseconds: 17311234859056
> unloaded kexts:
> com.apple.driver.LSI_FW_5002.0.9 - last unloaded 22932278293
> loaded kexts:
> com.sonnettech.SonnetSATABlockStorage2.2.4
> com.sonnettech.driver.SonnetSATA2.2.4
> com.keyspan.iokit.usb.KeyspanUSAdriver2.5
> com.apple.driver.LSI_FW_5002.0.9 - last loaded 20927607837
> com.apple.driver.Oxford_Semi2.0.9
> com.apple.driver.initioFWBridge2.0.9
> com.apple.driver.IOFireWireSerialBusProtocolSansPhysicalUnit 2.0.9
> com.apple.driver.StorageLynx2.0.9
> com.apple.filesystems.autofs2.0.2
> com.apple.driver.AppleTopazAudio2.5.8f1
> com.apple.driver.AppleOnyxAudio2.5.8f1
> com.apple.GeForcePPC5.4.8
> com.apple.iokit.CHUDUtils201
> com.apple.iokit.CHUDProf211
> com.apple.driver.AudioIPCDriver1.0.6
> com.apple.nvidia.nv40halppc5.4.8
> com.apple.driver.IOI2CLM7x1.9d0
> com.apple.driver.AppleHWSensor1.9d0
> com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireIP1.7.7
> com.apple.driver.AppleK2Driver1.7.2f1
> com.apple.driver.PowerMac11_2_PlatformPlugin3.4.0d0
> com.apple.driver.IOI2CMaxim66901.9d0
> com.apple.driver.IOI2CMaxim16311.9d0
> com.apple.driver.AppleSMUMonitor1.9d0
> com.apple.driver.AppleI2S1.0.1f1
> com.apple.driver.IOI2CSMUSat1.9d0
> com.apple.driver.IOI2CPulsar1.5.2d0
> com.apple.driver.IOI2CControllerSMU 1.1.1d2
> com.apple.iokit.IOUSBHIDDriver3.4.6
> com.apple.driver.AppleUSBMergeNub 3.5.2
> com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIMultimediaCommandsDevice2.1.1
> com.apple.iokit.SCSITaskUserClient2.1.1
> com.apple.driver.XsanFilter2.7.91
> com.apple.iokit.IOATABlockStorage2.0.6
> com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHub3.4.9
> com.apple.iokit.IOATAPIProtocolTransport1.5.3
> com.apple.iokit.IOUSBUserClient3.5.2
> com.apple.driver.AppleK2SATA1.0.4f2
> com.apple.driver.AppleGPIO1.3.0d0
> com.apple.driver.MacIOGPIO1.3.0d0
> com.apple.driver.AppleFWOHCI3.9.7
> com.apple.driver.AppleKauaiATA1.2.1f4
> com.apple.driver.AppleK2SATARoot1.0.5b1
> com.apple.driver.AppleUSBEHCI3.4.6
> com.apple.driver.AppleUSBOHCI3.4.6
> com.apple.driver.AppleK21.7.2f1
> com.apple.driver.AppleMPIC1.5.3
> com.apple.driver.AppleI2C4.0.0d2
> com.apple.driver.IOI2CControllerPPC1.1.1d2
> com.apple.iokit.AppleBCM5701Ethernet2.2.3b1
> com.apple.driver.AppleSMU1.2.1d1
> com.apple.driver.AppleMacRiscPCI3.4.0
> com.apple.driver.AppleFlashNVRAM1.0.5
> com.apple.security.seatbelt107.12
> com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall1.8.77
> com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet3
> com.apple.BootCache30.4
> com.apple.driver.DiskImages199
> com.apple.driver.AppleMacRISC4PE2.0.4d9
> com.apple.iokit.CHUDK`
> 
> 
> Model: PowerMac11,2, BootROM 5.2.7f1, 2 processors, PowerPC G5 (1.1), 2.3 
> GHz, 12 GB
> Graphics: kHW_NVidiaGeForce6600Item, GeForce 6600, spdisplays_pcie_device, 
> 

Re: PowerMac G5 Quad Late 2005

[Jesse]

Aside from a bad motherboard or psu, does this system have a bad lcs? Have you 
tried the cuda reset? Does it make any attempt to boot? Have you tried putting 
less ram in or reseating the ram you have? I've noticed thru all of the years 
and different power macs I've owned, that, reseating of ram, has saved more of 
my systems, that I've received it have all of a sudden went quiet..   

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 Hi, to everyone
 
 I bought this machine very cheaply in AS-IS condition.
 A nice PowerMac G5 2.5Ghz Quad Late 2005
 
 The machine doesnt boot or otherwise respond which are the 
 
 most parts that could have failed PSU or mainboard?
 
 Thanks for a helping hand.
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Re: G5 2.7 RAM upgrade.??

[Jesse StJohn]

 My 2.3 dual CPU G5 is super picky about RAM. I had to reseat RAM and
 restart about 30x to get 4 pairs in all 8 slots to recognize
 simultaneously. It took hours. I got one pair to recognize, then shutdown
 and added a new pair until I got two pairs, then added a third pair, and
 finally a fourth pair. VERY frustrating experience. I haven't touched the
 RAM since then, a couple years ago. I've got 6GB total as 4x1GB and
 4x512MB. I've now got four more 1GB sticks so I could upgrade to the 8GB
 max but I'm too chicken to risk the likely hassles for only 2GB extra.
 Someday I intend to add the extra RAM, just not now. I'd say ... keep
 trying ... with crossed fingers.




^ this is what concerns me when i jump to a g5 here in a
month   yaaarg

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Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card

[Jesse St.John]

hi, fwiw, years before i owned a powermac, i used slackware  
exclusively on a tyan tiger dual palomino board with 4 gigs of ram and  
had a firegl card that needed a molex connection for extra power to  
the gpu. now all of the finery of my memory is gone from this  
experience, but the quirks from this setup left an imprint.  pc's  
experience this phenomenon as well, and as i recall you should always  
plug the molex connector of any optical drives, soundcards, gpu's  
(anything using one)on different plugs than the hdd. something about  
how they dont play nice sticks out.  i had this issue as well until i  
had figured it out. you'll need to segregate the hard drive to its own  
power source, and no there is not route around this.  when the  
computer posts and boots is similar to a automobile, using more  
fuel(or in this case, electricity)upon start up than during normal  
operation.  the observation of the mdd needing a bit to cool to start  
with gpu is somewhat troubling. it seems as though your P/S is on its  
way out as well. just sayin.

On Dec 7, 2012, at 3:34 PM, frrob wrote:


Hello!

I have a MDD G4, 1.25 GHz DP, 10.5.8. Last night I installed a  
Radeon 9800 Pro 128M AGP (DVI) card, replacing the stock Radeon 9000  
68M (ADC). My main motivation for doing this was to have a 128M  
card, so as to run a larger monitor at full resolution. I didn't  
really look for the 9800 Pro, but I found it at a good price, and  
the info I found indicated that it would work in the MDD. One  
salient point if you're not familiar with the 9800 pro - apparently  
the AGP bus doesn't provide enough power for it, so it requires a  
secondary power connection from a molex connector, using a splitter  
from one of the hard drive power connectors.


In fact, the card does work, more or less. I get great display at  
1920 x 1080. But there are two problems. If I shut down the machine  
and then try to power it back on, one of two things happens: (1) it  
won't power on at all. I press the power button, and literally  
nothing happens. (2) It will power up and give me the boot chime,  
but then show in the center of the screen a small picture/icon of  
the Radeon card, with a little ATI logo in the corner, and in the  
upper right corner of the graphic a flashing red molex connector and  
its wires, signifying that it's not getting power from the molex. Of  
course, it was working and getting said power before I shut it down,  
so something changed on shutdown, it would seem.


The solution I have found to this problem is (if it powered on and  
gave me the flashing molex icon) is to manually power it down with  
the power button, and (if it didn't power up at all just do this)  
unplug the machine for 30 seconds to a minute, then plug it back in.  
Then it will start up normally.


Furthermore, if I try to restart, I invariably get the flashing  
molex graphic. I then have to manually shut down, unplug, replug,  
and power on.


The machine seems to sleep OK. I can put it to sleep and wake it,  
seemingly regardless of how long it has been asleep, with no problem.


When this first happened, I thought perhaps a cable or something was  
physically pressing the motherboard reset button (it is pretty  
cramped in there). But no, the button is clear.


I never had these problems with the stock Radeon 9000 ADC card.

So, what is going on? Something seems to be messing with the card's  
ability to get power. Is something interfering somehow with the  
machine's power management?


I'd like to use the 9800, but if I can't properly start up and  
restart, that's a pretty big PITA. Is the 9800 just too much card  
for the MDD?


Is there some solution to this problem that will allow me to use the  
9800? Or should I stick with the 9000 or another ADC card?


Thanks!

Rob J.


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Re: Linux question

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its(slackware 14 being ported to ppc) actually in development at this
moment,  trust me i know those guys they are pretty close , a lot of intel
specifics needs to be removed and personally i think slack 14 to be
bloated, hell it has been bloated since 10. a nice  real slack distro thats
not full of crap would be amazing.

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:09 AM, James Knight dr.james.kni...@gmail.comwrote:

 Im a slackware friend, but slackintosh hasn't had a release in 4 years.
 Might be dead.

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 wrote:

 try slackintosh, decent slackware derivative for ppc. or lfs..


 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ben Kernan bkpro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have a g-4 400 (sawtooth ?),1gig ram w/12  40 gig drives. Currently
 running 10.4 on the 40. What flavor Linux could I put on the 12,  what
 freeware would work with it,if any is available. This would be an
 educational tool for me as I have a 24 iMac.
 I seem to remember something called Stone Suite as an early s/w package
 for Linux...

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Re: G4 Quicksilver 2002

[Jesse StJohn]

i have mdd thats  maxed out. its great, and i plan on  using it until
it goes toasty, it also runs the last version of leopard as
well   good for you :)

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Peter Plas peterp...@me.com wrote:

 Hello G4 users,

 I have a Quicksilver G4 2002 running OSX 10.5.8 with 1.5 GB of RAM and two
 internal Harddisks ( 320 GB and 160 GB) installed
 and I use it every day. It still looks as if it came right out of the box.
 Last week I put in a new pram battery after 10 years !
 As long as I will be able to run most of my software for surfing (using
 TenFourFox7450) and word processing (open office)  I will continue to use it

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Re: Linux question

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try slackintosh, decent slackware derivative for ppc. or lfs..


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ben Kernan bkpro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have a g-4 400 (sawtooth ?),1gig ram w/12  40 gig drives. Currently
 running 10.4 on the 40. What flavor Linux could I put on the 12,  what
 freeware would work with it,if any is available. This would be an
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 I seem to remember something called Stone Suite as an early s/w package
 for Linux...

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Yosemite 400mhz rev2, ATT rv100, apple DVD player conundrum

[Jesse Stjohn]

Ok so I have Mac os 9.2 on my Yosemite with a gig of ram and 400mhz  CPU, went 
to play a DVD, and golly wouldn't you know, it doesn't work, play or anything 
else. Everything works in my machine (sound, USB, video, DVD-rom) and I have no 
conflicting wares as far as I know. It does read DVDs(also burned DVDs as a 
storage medium as well) but apple DVD player won't work due to error 21, some 
tripe about having to stop using other programs, or I don't have the hardware 
to use the software. Whatever. My video is Not the rage or rage pro but the 
radeon 7000. I do have updated drivers from ati and it is as good as Mac os 9 
gets.  Any help would be nice and apple DVD ver is 1.2

We Are making use of this for the kids obsessive Dora the explorer and max and 
ruby marathons, so any clues how to make it work would be fabulous. 

Unfortunately at the moment my only net is on my phone so I can't get it online 
or update it. 

I suck I know...


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G5 Xserve troubleshooting

[Jesse Stjohn]

Hi listers, recently I acquired an g5 Xserve 2ghz dp, and i was wondering if 
there is a good manual for this thing that explains the
Lights on the mobo(ds3,ds9,what have you) it believe this g5 has problems, so I 
am comin to you guys. It starts and then stops. I don't honestly think it 
posts. Any help would be appreciated

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Re: G4 and OS 10.5

[Jesse Stjohn]

My dual1.25
Mdd  is doing very well with 10.5, not faster than tiger just different 
I love it.

The greater the animal, the greater the man 

On May 2, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:

 
 On May 2, 2012, at 9:52 AM, James Morgan wrote:
 
I have two MDD G4's running OS 10.4.11. Does anyone know if these 
 computers will successfully run OS 10.5?
 
 Unless they're RAM-starved ( 1G, and pretty cheap to fix) yes they'll run 
 10.5 just fine.
 
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Re: G5 and ADC

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Well then I'll take all of them you guys want to recycle ;)

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On May 2, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

 On May 2, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
 
 This is why ADC monitors are dirt cheap, they're well-nigh useless.
 
 Amen.
 
 I see 4x3 aspect ratio LCD monitors for dirt cheap, say $20 for a 17 that's 
 1280x1024, a little more for a 19 or larger. Small 16x9 LCD are cheap used 
 also, people often upgrade a computer and use it with their HDTV or 
 something, so I can't see any reason to not recycle an ADC monitor. The OP 
 was asking about energy efficiency of G5's, when an LCD monitor at retail 
 will pay for itself in energy savings in 3 years, and a used one in a few 
 short months. From an energy efficiency standpoint LCD monitors are a 
 no-brainer.
 
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Re: Oil Cooling

[Jesse Stjohn]

To the person who mentioned using marine coolant in their g5, pm me some info 
on that as that is my next goal over the next couple of months To score 
a quad for myself AND my wife, and both of us use processor intensive programs 
in relatively warm climates.

Thank you much

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On Mar 15, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:

 At 1:32 PM -0400 3/12/2012, Illirik Smirnov wrote:
 I'm considering oil-cooling my DP 2.5 PMG5.
 
 http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_2.5_dp.html
 
 This would involve putting the computer (sans ports, hdd, cd) in a tub of 
 mineral oil. It doesn't conduct electricity, and as such would be perfect 
 for this use. It has been done many times with PCs; does anyone know 
 anything that may keep the G5 from working optimally?
 
 hum.  wow.  I've heard of this being done but have never seen it. Intriguing 
 idea.  Personally, I'd never do it... At some point, I'd have to go in there 
 to fix or add something and I cannot abide by oily slimy things! blech!  lol
 
 Are you experiencing any particular issue with your Power Mac that has led 
 you to this?
 
 If the heat transfer is really good, it might make for some overclocking 
 opportunities!  Can a Power Mac G5 be overclocked?
 
 I know that the liquid cooled G5 bricks are known to have problems as they 
 get older.  I'm thinking going whole-system oil cooled like this might maybe 
 be a solution ... depending on how the leaking liquid coolant mixes with the 
 mineral oil.  OTGH, it might be better to oil an air-cooled G5.
 
 Extending the USB and FW to the top of the tank should be easy.  I wouldn't 
 bother with the SATA interface until you got everything else working.  
 Booting off the 800 Mbps Firewire2 instead of 1.5G SATA is good enough for 
 testing.
 
 Most PCs are fairly open in their design.  Slap in a few fans, and there's 
 good air flow.  But the Power Mac G5 is tightly compartmentalized.  I wonder 
 if the fluid flow will still be ok? It's not enough that fluid flows.  It has 
 to actually circulate to the radiator system.  Otherwise, the oil will 
 happily distribute the heat evenly through that compartment, making it hotter 
 and hotter. I've never gutted a PM G5.  Are there any dust filters in there?
 
 I would check any/all parts for labels and such.  Puget Systems has a FAQ 
 that mentions the oil dissolved the gum, loosening the labels.
 http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php
 
 Do you have/need the G5 service / take-apart manuals?
 
 An interesting project...  If you do this, please keep us in the loop!  I'd 
 love to know how it goes!
 
 
 At 12:45 AM +0100 3/15/2012, Valter Prahlad wrote:
 I'm doubtful about the power supply fan, though, and I'm very skeptical 
 about immersing the HD in oil: it isn't designed to work in oil, and the 
 very strict tolerances might lead to trouble. (unless it's leak-proof; but 
 on HDs I always noticed a tiny hole you must not cover, so it's not sealed)
 
 Puget Systems had no problem with the fans.  They didn't dip the HDs - those 
 are mounted in the tank's top.
 
 At 11:37 PM -0400 3/14/2012, W.Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
 Don't go for the bubbles though it will reduce heat transfer. Or is that 
 important?  Or is it really about having a showy conversation piece?
 
 Their example had too many bubbles, I think.  But geeze - ya gotta have some!
 
 And maybe one of those USB powered swimming fishies!
 
 I donno.  The more I think about it the more cool this project seems.  lol
 
 - Dan.
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Re: Oil Cooling

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Actually y ruin a perfectly good system for that? Just asking .. Also it 
stinks but not like fries, I think possible a DUI watercool would be more 
effective. 

People putting their pc's in mineral oil is like masterbating in public, just 
because you can doesn't mean you should. But maybe that is why you want to do 
it. Good luck either way. And yes you can you must submerse everything except 
hd's DVD drives and other things ..

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wrote:

 Il giorno 12-03-2012 18:32, Illirik Smirnov ha scritto:
 
 I'm considering oil-cooling my DP 2.5 PMG5. This would involve putting the
 computer (sans ports, hdd, cd) in a tub of mineral oil.
 This sounds weird. :-o
 Do you mean immersing the whole processors assembly into oil?
 
 Would it smell like fries? ;-D
 
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Re: Overclocked MDD

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how are you effectively cooling these as my mdd runs relatively hot  
already? and i would lke to do this but i am  a  chicken and i dont  
want to ruin a good thing. i witnessed online a gentlemen who showed  
me the resistors on the cpu chip itself to adjust, but decided not to  
do it until i had one myslef to try out.

On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:

I just realized your MDD is dual-CPU. This will likely require a  
slightly different patch because the G4 Mini is single CPU. The line  
in the patch dev PowerPC,G4@0 would likely need an additional CPU  
which I'd guess would probably be identified as G4@1? I don't know  
the nuances of Open Firmware, so it's possible the solution for dual  
CPUs could be as simple as appending G4@1 to the dev  
PowerPC,G4@0 like this dev PowerPC,G4@0,G4@1?


Since I don't know the real answer for dual CPUs I think that the  
simplest solution would be to enter the entire patch TWICE, once for  
G4@0 and once for G4@1 in the line dev PowerPC,G4@0.


If you want to do this in a single operation without an intermediate  
reboot, you could enter up to step #5 nvstoreReturn for G4@0 and  
then repeat from step #1 again for G4@1 and only after the 2nd step  
#5 proceed to #6  #7 which tell the Mac to use these alternate  
stored versions and reboot.


It's possible you may need to read up on Open Firmware commands for  
this dual CPU patch to work correctly, but it should be possible.


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Re: Video card B+W 450

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On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:36 PM, john wrote:


Hi, I'm quite satisfied with my Smurf, except for the video.  I just
replaced the 8mb card with a 32mb radeon.  Disappointed that youtube
videos are still spotty and halting.  Would 50 bucks for a 128 card
solve the problem?  I know upgrading the whole works might be
reasonably affordable, but kinda like the Smurf for the time being.
Oh, while I'm thinking of it, can someone tell me if 128 is the max
for It?



128 what? megabytes of video ram, 128 megabytes of ram? no matter  
what, the video is running thru the pci bus, which makes poor,  
although usable, video on those machines..cool machine tho, bro.   
ive been looking for one for quite some time thats in good shape AND  
has the 450mhz processor. do you know what version of mac os or x you  
are using, and did you enable the pci-extreme hack? ive seen some  
bigger cards out for the pci bus, but all have to deal with the slow  
(66mhz/33mhz) pci bus. good luck man, sorry if i was no help.  im sure  
you have heard this before, but running a more recent dp g4 or g5 is  
far more functional for videos, especially youtube. if you are running  
tiger, perhaps try mactubes and set mactubes to you use quicktime  
rendering instead of flash video rendering, which might make it more  
bearable, i do this on an mdd(although i can successfully watch videos  
on youtube.com) i think it makes my experience less cpu-intensive.


YMMV, fer sure.


jesse



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Re: Video card B+W 450

[Jesse]

 I doubt that there’s a hardware decoder involved… But then, I don’t know for 
 sure…
 
 YouTube through HTML5 i.e. WebM using the AltiVec-optimized version available 
 through TenFourFox – thanks for TenFourFox! – is even on a fast G4 at its 
 limits. My Quicksilver G4 with Dual-800 MHz has problems to show YouTube 
 without occasional stutter.
 
 As already pointed out, MacTubes may be better, but I also doubt it will work 
 on a G3 with less then 800 MHz.
 

Im not tryin to be be contrary, however as long as you are running tiger 
(10.4.2 and up) you CAN run mactubes on a g3 powermac as long as your video 
card is up to snuff, and you have the last Revision before the g4( the 450mhz 
model with a rev b mobo and a full gig of ram may not hurt either) ive seen 
mactubes on one, its functional. 
 Cheers,
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Re: Can you Burn DVD/CDs on PowerMac G3 400MHz?

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On Feb 27, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:


No one runs iTunes. They only crawl.



AGREED.

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Re: Can you Burn DVD/CDs on PowerMac G3 400MHz?

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in all reality, if you are looking for one, seriously consider getting  
it on craiglist, i have found many many many of these on there. and i  
live in an area with crap for apple selection(iowa yeah were  
nice.) but they always pop-up for anywhere between 20-40 bux. ive  
found six between 100 miles of me. and i want a few myself(it was like  
THE mac i wanted when i graduated high school, but i couldnt afford  
it.  think about it, if you spend gas and 20 bux , you get what you  
want in short, and not have to pay peoples shady shipping costs.  BAM!



On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Feb 24, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Eleni wrote:


Can you Burn DVD/CDs on PowerMac G3 400MHz under Mac OS 8.6?



CD's yes, IF you have a recognized drive or Toast; I'm not sure at  
all about DVD's,because DVD-Rs post-date 8.6...it'll depend on your  
software.



How capable are these PowerMac G3 400MHz?  What if you have max  
memory installed (1GB)?


Well, at one time they were the top of the line. Web, Photoshop, etc  
all ran well on these...but that's Photoshop 3 or 4, and Netscape 4,  
etc.




Just saw one on ebay in mint condition, is it worth buying?



Not really, not if you want a functional-in-the-modern-world  
machine. Shipping alone is more than what one of these is worth as a  
daily work system.


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Re: Can you Burn DVD/CDs on PowerMac G3 400MHz?

[Jesse]

It is not gonna facebook like you expect, or do anything more than simple photo 
editing or older games. Dont expect it to be like an intel mac. They are 
cool(the g3s) but underpowered for anything that is popular on the web today.  
Id bribg

M

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On Feb 25, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Eleni elen...@otenet.gr wrote:

 Thank you all for your replies.  My basic needs are internet browsing, Word 
 processor, excel, CD/DVD burning, photo editing and some games.
 
 Is the G3 sufficient?
 
 On Feb 25, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote:
 
 Il giorno 25-02-2012 6:43, Eleni ha scritto:
 
 Can you Burn DVD/CDs on PowerMac G3 400MHz under Mac OS 8.6?
 CDs, definitely.
 DVDs, I think you have to limit the max speed you're writing with - I don't
 think a G3/400 can hold 8x DVD writing, but 2x should be fine.
 
 How capable are these PowerMac G3 400MHz?  What if you have max memory
 installed (1GB)?
 
 Just saw one on ebay in mint condition, is it worth buying?
 Well, as always, it all depends on what you're going to do with it.
 
 I once had a Beige PowerMac G3/266 (later upgraded to 450 MHz and then 900
 MHz), and I absolutely LOVED IT. :-)
 It was a great machine, very stable and highly upgradable.
 OTOH, it would be useless for my needs now.
 
 Personally, I'd go for a G4 minimum: faster, more efficient architecture,
 more compatible with late software.
 But, again, it depends on YOU; if you state what your needs are, I'm sure
 the people here will be able to suggest the right Mac for you.
 
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Re: Safari 4.1.3 quitting on YouTubes, on iMac G4 1G

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On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:26 AM, Mullin9 wrote:


Safari 4.1.3 tends to quit, when i go to YouTubes, but it runs fine on
most other websites, I'm using an iMac G4 1GHz, it have 768 MB RAM,
Mac OS 10.4.11, and Quicktime 7.6.2,  could it be a problem with
YouTube? or Safari, However i downloaded TubeTV for YouTube to solve
the quit issue,


mactubes, all the way.  it works well on tiger and leopard, and you  
have quicktime render the video instead of flash.

check macupdates.com for it.

or if you search the past archives of the group and look for the ppc  
flash article(i cannot remember its name) it refers to changing a  
version number that fools the interwebs(facebook, youtube, whatevs)to  
think it is  anewer version of flash, check the back issue if that  
sounds what you are looking for.




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Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

[Jesse]

After much doing (using a hybrid of methods), I was able to flash the
Radeon 7000 PCI graphics card to successfully work on the Mac --
currently I'm using v2.08 of the ROM and have noticed that neither QE
or Core Image are being supported. Will going up to v2.26 enable one
(or both) of those? As I mentioned earlier, the main reason I'm using
this card is to enable monitor rotation -- so basically whatever ROM
allows for that under 10.4.

Thanks folks!


On Feb 13, 2:01 pm, Peter Devlin pdim...@mail.com wrote:
 On 13/02/2012 15:38, Jesse jesse.wm.wall...@gmail.com wrote:









  As some of you have suspected, the card was recognized when I plugged
  it in my PC. It won't display past the Windows XP startup screen, but
  I know that's something to do with not having the correct drivers.
  Bottom line: if it displays ANYTHING, it's gotta be working to some
  capacity.

  So my next course of action is to flash the ROM so that it will work
  in my Mac. All of the methods I've seen involve making a PC boot disk,
  running a utility while booted up with that disk, then transfer it
  over to the Mac and flash the ROM to the newest version. Is there a
  fairly straightforward (and as foolproof as possible) guide that
  someone can point me to?

  BTW, the guy who sold me the card apologized for it not working and
  refunded me all of my money saying not to worry about returning the
  card. So if I can get it going, it's a dbl-win.

  Thanks for all of the advice up to this point.

     First step is to id the rom chip as that will be the limiting factor in
 any conversion to mac - it's a quite small 8 pin soic flash memory chip and
 hopefully made by ST micro - and if so labelled M25P05 or M25P10 - there are
 other reference numbers following the first bit but ignore them. Other
 common flash memory providers were Atmel. The M25P05 is allegedly 64KB and
 the M25P10 is 128KB - the allegedly is there because many P10 chips were
 mislabelled as P05.
     Required for flashing on a PC will be a dos boot disk and a second disk
 containing the utilities and any roms needed. Flashrom will be ok for the
 utility for such an old card and no other display card is required if you
 'hot flash' it while it is in use for the PC display as the rom is no longer
 accessed after the dos boot. FIRST save the current rom from the card -
 vital if anything goes pear shaped.
     If you have a P05 chip you can flash it with a 64KB or less reduced mac
 7000 rom - or alternatively try the full 128KB mac rom to find out the size
 of the chip. If the rom is indeed a 64KB chip the 128KB flash will fail with
 an error at 65556 something odd bytes and should immediately be reflashed
 with the smaller 64KB mac rom - success should result in a little tune from
 the mobo. With the reduced mac rom it will work ok under OSX and classic but
 pretty awful under OS9 boot - the info to enable it in OS9 has been removed
 from the reduced rom.
     The reduced rom/chip is also not upgradeable with any ATI updates as
 they will try to write 128KB into a 64KB chip and kill the card - and
 resurrecting it will require a PC with a second display card so use the
 latest version reduced rom. Complete flashing info for dos commands etc
 should be on the mac elite wiki. All good stuff...let me know if you
 need any more...

 Pete

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Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

[Jesse]

Man... now THAT is bad news.

That being said, the guy DID refund my money on the card purchase so
it isn't like I'm out any money. Now, if I could just get all that
TIME back.

quelle drag...


On Feb 23, 10:59 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 On Feb 23, 2012, at 8:04 AM, Jesse wrote:

  After much doing (using a hybrid of methods), I was able to flash the
  Radeon 7000 PCI graphics card to successfully work on the Mac --
  currently I'm using v2.08 of the ROM and have noticed that neither QE
  or Core Image are being supported.

 Neither QE or CI were ever supported for PCI video cards. There's a hack to 
 get QE running, but when I did it many moons ago, I found that the incidence 
 of random crashes did not outweigh the slim speed increase that QE offered.

 Also, now that I think about it (after you've gone through all this hassle) 
 ATI never supported rotation on the 7000. I remember looking into it when I 
 first got a LCD capable of rotating.

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Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

[Jesse]

I guess the latter -- I have a 19 Trinitron monitor at 90º (mounted
in an old Birdie King arcade cabinet) -- right now, the desktop
displays in portrait and I need it to display in landscape in order
for the front end to show up correctly. I have YET to install the
drivers as I assumed that OS X (10.4.11) would be able to take care of
it on its own as the iBook G4 booting off that same drive image shows
the rotation options -- but that has a different ATI Radeon chip.



On Feb 23, 12:17 pm, Peter Devlin pdim...@mail.com wrote:
 On 23/02/2012 15:04, Jesse jesse.wm.wall...@gmail.com wrote:

  After much doing (using a hybrid of methods), I was able to flash the
  Radeon 7000 PCI graphics card to successfully work on the Mac --
  currently I'm using v2.08 of the ROM and have noticed that neither QE
  or Core Image are being supported. Will going up to v2.26 enable one
  (or both) of those? As I mentioned earlier, the main reason I'm using
  this card is to enable monitor rotation -- so basically whatever ROM
  allows for that under 10.4.

  Thanks folks!

     Hmm - is that where you rotate the monitor itself or where the monitor
 stays as is and the display view is rotated with software? I thought the
 second method was called Versavision by ATI and is part of the still
 available ATI Displays Utilities prefs pane for Tiger and later. I've had it
 installed with ATI cards many times but never tried it so perhaps I'm
 mistaken and it is only of use for rotatable monitors. Can't try it cos I've
 currently got a GeForce installed.

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Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

[Jesse]

Here's what I could find with a quick search...

http://www2.ati.com/drivers/macosx-ati-displays-4-5-1.html

Added VERSAVISION display rotation on Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) to select
ATI OEM graphic solutions.

RADEON 9800 XT
RADEON 9800 Pro
RADEON 9600 XT
RADEON 9600 Pro
RADEON 9200 (Mac Mini)


So uh yeah... NOT the 7000 (annoyed grunt).


On Feb 23, 1:04 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Jesse wrote:

  I guess the latter -- I have a 19 Trinitron monitor at 90º (mounted
  in an old Birdie King arcade cabinet) -- right now, the desktop
  displays in portrait and I need it to display in landscape in order
  for the front end to show up correctly. I have YET to install the
  drivers as I assumed that OS X (10.4.11) would be able to take care of
  it on its own as the iBook G4 booting off that same drive image shows
  the rotation options -- but that has a different ATI Radeon chip.

 Making a MAME cabinet? :-)

 Yes rotation (and this is rotating the monitor) is managed by the driver and 
 is dependent on the chipset. SO you may want to repurpose a notebook like the 
 iBook for this purpose. They're readily available. I can no longer find the 
 article on AMD's website that listed what board supported what features.

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Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

[Jesse]

And yes, it's a MAME cabinet (which is no small feat when using a Mac
instead of a PC).

'j

On Feb 23, 1:04 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Jesse wrote:

  I guess the latter -- I have a 19 Trinitron monitor at 90º (mounted
  in an old Birdie King arcade cabinet) -- right now, the desktop
  displays in portrait and I need it to display in landscape in order
  for the front end to show up correctly. I have YET to install the
  drivers as I assumed that OS X (10.4.11) would be able to take care of
  it on its own as the iBook G4 booting off that same drive image shows
  the rotation options -- but that has a different ATI Radeon chip.

 Making a MAME cabinet? :-)

 Yes rotation (and this is rotating the monitor) is managed by the driver and 
 is dependent on the chipset. SO you may want to repurpose a notebook like the 
 iBook for this purpose. They're readily available. I can no longer find the 
 article on AMD's website that listed what board supported what features.

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Re: G4 Cube

[Jesse]

Right here bud But we need to convince him to make it a lemswap topic

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 On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote:
 Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust.
 
 
 Really? What would it take to get them into the hands of enthusiasts? 
 --waves hands
 
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Re: Linux on MacPro

[Jesse]

I would consider slackware 

www.slackware.com

It is imho the best distro. Period. And worth a try, on your setup. They also 
have a 64-bit branch called slamd64 added to the tree here in the last few 
years. Not only is it highly used by nerds, its highly configurably, and only 
as complex as you want it.  The user base is highly experienced as 
well. 

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On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu 
wrote:

 
 On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:50 AM, M Christol wrote:
 
 On 2/17/12 10:11 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
 On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:47 AM, Edward Treen wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I am using 10.7.3 on my MacPro (4,1 - March 2010) - 12GB RAM, 4 x 1TB 
 drives., Radeon 4780 512MB Graphics. I use VMWare Fusion 3  Windows 7 for 
 the odd times I need Windows , and it all seems to run smoothly.
 
 For no specific reason other than personal interest/serving-my-inner-geek, 
 I'd like to install a virtual Linux machine to run under Fusion.
 
 Does any list member have experience of doing this, and is there a flavour 
 of Linux they would recommend?
 Just to play with Linux, I'd do Ubuntu, which installed without a hitch in 
 a Virtualbox VM; if you're interested in messing with server-grade linux, 
 we've been using Centos on our production VMs.
 
 http://centos.org/  They're coy about it on the front page, but the 
 'prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor' is Red Hat. Centos is 
 the open version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
 
 Works well...we have a Xen setup with about a dozen centos VM's running on 
 it.
 
 
 Any issues with Airport cards?
 
 Not in a VM, as the network is virtualized.
 
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Re: Linux on MacPro

[Jesse]

FYI, there is a slackware for ppc macs its called slackintosh 
(www.workaround.ch) 


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On Feb 18, 2012, at 4:22 PM, David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I thought this was the G3-G5 List?
 
 Why are we discussing slackware for an Intel powered MacPro?
Because they asked about a linux distro. Worth? These are
 
 I can understand discussing Intel Mac's, if you are making recommendations 
 about which used Mac computers to consider buying, compared to the 
 performance available on a G4 or G5 PowerMac, but I could not even find a PPC 
 version of slackware during my quick look at their site.  Can we try to keep 
 the discussion here focused on Mac computers with G series cpu's?



 On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Jesse wrote:
 
 I would consider slackware
 
 www.slackware.com
 
 It is imho the best distro. Period. And worth a try, on your setup. They 
 also have a 64-bit branch called slamd64 added to the tree here in the last 
 few years. Not only is it highly used by nerds, its highly configurably, and 
 only as complex as you want it.  The user base is highly experienced as 
 well.
 
 
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Re: Linux on MacPro

[Jesse]

Sorry about last post my son stole my phone.
 
 Why are we discussing slackware for an Intel powered MacPro?

They asked, i gave my two cents, end of story.
 
 I can understand discussing Intel Mac's, if you are making recommendations 
 about which used Mac computers to consider buying, compared to the 
 performance available on a G4 or G5 PowerMac, but I could not even find a PPC 
 version of slackware during my quick look at their site.  Can we try to keep 
 the discussion here focused on Mac computers with G series CPU's?


FYI,There is its called slackintosh, and it supports g-cpus only( a little 
incomplete but it works)

Its at  www.workaround.ch

The man simply asked, i answered and i have quite a bit of slack experience.


 
 I don't mind going a little off topic once in a while, but would prefer that 
 this group mainly discuss PPC Mac's, which is where my interest lies.
 
 On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Jesse wrote:
 
 I would consider slackware
 
 www.slackware.com
 
 It is imho the best distro. Period. And worth a try, on your setup. They 
 also have a 64-bit branch called slamd64 added to the tree here in the last 
 few years. Not only is it highly used by nerds, its highly configurably, and 
 only as complex as you want it.  The user base is highly experienced as 
 well.
 
 
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Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

[Jesse]

As some of you have suspected, the card was recognized when I plugged
it in my PC. It won't display past the Windows XP startup screen, but
I know that's something to do with not having the correct drivers.
Bottom line: if it displays ANYTHING, it's gotta be working to some
capacity.

So my next course of action is to flash the ROM so that it will work
in my Mac. All of the methods I've seen involve making a PC boot disk,
running a utility while booted up with that disk, then transfer it
over to the Mac and flash the ROM to the newest version. Is there a
fairly straightforward (and as foolproof as possible) guide that
someone can point me to?

BTW, the guy who sold me the card apologized for it not working and
refunded me all of my money saying not to worry about returning the
card. So if I can get it going, it's a dbl-win.

Thanks for all of the advice up to this point.




On Feb 11, 6:28 pm, t...@io.com t...@prismnet.com wrote:
 On Feb 10, 2:17 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
 wrote:

  It SHOULD just work, as the only difference between this and a retail 
  Radeon 7000, iirc, was the lack of the other ports. Have you tried it on a 
  more modern monitor than the old 19 one? It's remotely possible it's 
  putting out a signal that won't work on the monitor, but my suspicion is 
  that it's a dead card.

 I ran into a similar problem with the Radeon 7000 in a Beige G3 when I
 used it with a Radius Intellicolor 20e CRT monitor.   Unfortunately,
 that was about seven years ago and I don't remember the details.
 There was a way for me to get it to work.  And I'm not even certain it
 was with the Radius.  Maybe it was with an IBM 18.1 LCD from 2000.

 At the time I suspected that it had to do with some newish, at the
 time, signalling system that monitors were using to signal or detect
 which resolutions were available.  And I was able to get around it
 somehow.

 I may have done something like using a VGA to Mac adapter coupled with
 a Mac to VGA adapter.  Or maybe booting with extensions off.   Once I
 had the thing booted and the resolution set to a lower level things
 were fine.  The problem appeared to be that the video card defaulted
 to too high of a resolution for the ones supported by the monitor, or
 something.

 It's possible I posted a question about it in one of these lists, so a
 search of posts back around 2002 - 2005 might turn something up.

 Jeff Walther

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Re: new to the MAC universe.

[Jesse]

 Hello everybody- Just bought my first MAC today.
 Picked it up for cheap. According to it's serial number and from cross
 checking on a mac site(not sure if i'm allowed to post links) It's a
 Powermac G4 MDD 1.0ghz. Unfortunately, it did not come with either a
 power cord or any memory but it did have a 120gig HD and a dvd drive
 so pretty much everything is there except the Ram.
 So I plug in the power cord and install 256mb pc2100 memory and hit
 the ON button. The mac just gives one Loud Beep and then nothing, no
 image on the screen.
 I've taken out the memory and tried it again and the same thing
 occurs.
 I'm assuming that this means the memory isn't recognizable and the mac
 probably needs pc2700 memory.
 I don't have any pc2700 but I may be able to get a couple of pc3200
 memory, do you think this will be ok?
 I've read some forums and some seem to suggest that it can work while
 others say to stick with pc2700 memory

Pc3200 ram WILL work, if it is ram that works in your particular mac.  The ram 
will actually work, but it will dial back so it is backwards compatible. Dont 
use pc ram or cheap ram and make sure they are matched if using sets. Pc3200 
ddr sdram 184-pin 333mhz ram would be ideal for this system. However, when you 
open about this mac and look at your system( if you get it working) dont be 
alarmed when the ram says pc2600, thats a bottleneck, i believe mac os x and 
the bus put on it  just find the right ram
 
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Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

[Jesse]

I will give it one more go -- the seller will refund the price if it
doesn't work. My suspicions is that it IS dead as I tried it in a BW
G3 Yosemite and got nothing.

It should be so much easier to get a cheap, functional card for the
Sawtooth that's capable of doing monitor rotation.

Dang!


On Feb 10, 3:46 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Feb 10, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



  On Feb 10, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Jesse wrote:

  So does anyone have experience using this card in anything other than
  the Xserve?

  It SHOULD just work, as the only difference between this and a
  retail Radeon 7000, iirc, was the lack of the other ports. Have you
  tried it on a more modern monitor than the old 19 one? It's
  remotely possible it's putting out a signal that won't work on the
  monitor, but my suspicion is that it's a dead card.

 Yes, they just work. At least as tested through 8.x, 9.x and 10.2
 in a beige and with no reports of problems from the 30 or so I sold
 on the swap list. They use the same drivers and deliver the same
 performance as the Mac specific retail cards, just without the DVI
 and S-Video ports.

 If it is not working after all the standard easy fixes (pram and cuda
 reset, making sure you have the drivers installed) it is, in the
 immortal words of one of the great Doctors, Dead Jim (er, Jesse).

 Len

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Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

[Jesse]

This now makes total sense. I was curious as to why it would only have
a VGA out. It wasn't an issue b/c the monitor I'm hooking it into is
an old 19 Trinitron (mounted in portrait orientation for a MAME
cabinet), so all I needed was VGA.

I had a feeling it was mac-specific... every time I did a search on
the part number, it always returned as a Mac part.

So does anyone have experience using this card in anything other than
the Xserve? Also, if it's not working, should I try going through the
procedure that people use to force-flash ATI Radeon cards for the PC
to try and bring it up to spec? I have an old junker PC that I'm sure
would be up to the task but I'm unsure if you can use that method if
it technically has already already been used in a Mac (namely the
Xserve).

Thanks!

On Feb 9, 3:42 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

  On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

  IIRC the very first Xserve's had a VGA-only PCI ATI card, ISTR it
  was a 32 mb 7000.

  I was unaware of this card, is it a half-height card or full size?

 Full size. Looked just like the retail 7000, just had only a vga
 connector. It was mounted parallel to the main board on a riser I
 believe.

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ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

[Jesse]

I recently purchased a Radeon 7000 PCI card (VGA only) off eBay to use
in my Sawtooth (450 MHz 768 MB/ 20 GB) so that I could do screen
rotation for a monitor I have mounted on its side.

Initially, I installed the card and hooked the monitor directly to it.
No display.

Then I hooked the ATI Rage 128 AGP card back up, and connected the
monitor to THAT while keeping the Radeon card in the PCI slot. My
display worked fine with the Rage card -- so I opened up the System
Profiler to see if the Radeon was recognized.

Under Graphics the AGP card is identified, the PCI card comes up
with something like this:

Type: VGA-Compatible Controller
Bus: PCI
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x5159

I've run the August 2005 ROM update while booted up in Safe Mode (OS X
10.4.11) and STILL am not having any luck. The card itself is listed
as Part Number 109-85500-01 which matches up as the Radeon 7000 Mac
version and as far as I can tell there is no reason (outside of card
malfunction) that this shouldn't work.

Has anyone had this experience, and is there a solution?

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Re: pppd/mgetty question for dial-in access question.......

[Jesse]

Thx

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On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:

 
 On Jan 18, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Jesse St.John wrote:
 
 alright people here is a question, om a slacker so i get the rtfm and im 
 used to saying it as well, however, this isnt a slack list it is a macosx 
 list, so
 
 how can i, for instance, set up a dial-in  with my leopard 10.5 ppc machine 
 with a dial-up modem to receive calls and allow for a remote connection, 
 from another computer without the use of a isp, or anything? its more to be 
 of use to myself, so if i ever need access to something, even miniscule, its 
 there... all i have to do is dial out to my home phone and connect. i have 
 read a few ways, which if you dont have xcode(and i dont i dunno what 
 happened there) are not happening. but they involve mgetty, and setting it 
 up to anser the line like an answering machine only to let you dial in. is 
 it possible or is it just not gonna happen? please some insight would be 
 awesome...
 
 
 IIRC the developer tools (which includes XCode) are on your 10.5 disk. If 
 not, you need to download it from Apple; at developer.apple.com.
 
 There's a package that claims to worl with NeXT and BSD, so might be 
 adaptable to OS X here http://freecode.com/projects/pppd Good freakin' 
 luck, you're going to need it! :-)
 
 Might be easier to hunt down an actual terminal server to do this, like this:
 
 http://www.ipcas.com/products/ppp-gateway.html or an old Shiva LanRover; 
 here's one for $25 
 :http://shop.bizsyscon.com/shiva-lanrover-8e-8-port-remote-access-server/
 
 We used one of these for years as our dial-in box for the college.
 
 
 -- 
 Bruce Johnson
 University of Arizona
 College of Pharmacy
 Information Technology Group
 
 Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs
 
 
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pppd/mgetty question for dial-in access question.......

[Jesse St.John]

alright people here is a question, om a slacker so i get the rtfm  
and im used to saying it as well, however, this isnt a slack list it  
is a macosx list, so


how can i, for instance, set up a dial-in  with my leopard 10.5 ppc  
machine with a dial-up modem to receive calls and allow for a remote  
connection, from another computer without the use of a isp, or  
anything? its more to be of use to myself, so if i ever need access to  
something, even miniscule, its there... all i have to do is dial out  
to my home phone and connect. i have read a few ways, which if you  
dont have xcode(and i dont i dunno what happened there) are not  
happening. but they involve mgetty, and setting it up to anser the  
line like an answering machine only to let you dial in. is it possible  
or is it just not gonna happen? please some insight would be  
awesome...



id like to use it for proof of concept as well

jess

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ways to get scuffs out of powermac g4 case!!!

[Jesse St.John]

check this out folks, and you might think this is bizarre but take an  
unused acrylic cigarette filter out of a cigarette and use that to  
buff out scratches and dark scuffs from your case, works really well  
when the scuff or filter is made lightly humid or wet. it works  
beautifully. this is a non-sell, so try it out.


anyone has any questions mail me.

jesse

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Re: Best MacOS x on a G3 BW?

[Jesse]

Compromise, is what im going for. Idont really need all the doo dads and 
all the older software works well rnough to play tunes record tunes rip cds 
yadda yadda code, and im going to install slackintosh as well   Basic 
stufff. 

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On Jan 21, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote:

 --  Original message  --
 Subject: Best MacOS x on a G3 BW?
 Date:Wednesday, 11. January 2012
 From:seeker jesselorenstj...@gmail.com
 To:  G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 what if any would be the ideal version of macOS x to
 install on g3 bw with maxed ram?  i am a huge fan of opensource, but
 i have fallen head over heals for mac osx and would like to keep these
 machines as such  so any help?
 
 I’m running Mac OS X 10.4.11 Tiger. My BW has its original 350 MHz G3 
 processor, and I maxed out the memery 4×215 MB PC100 DIMMs to 1 GB. Sady I do 
 rely on 10.4 because of internet functionality: I use TenFourFox. I also have 
 a Cube G4 with 450 MHz running Tiger.
 
 BTW TenFourFox on a G3 with some fancy must-have extensions (like NoScript 
 and 
 AdBlock Plus) also put the speed brake on it. You just feel that it is too 
 much for this old little bugger!
 
 My experience: the bottleneck is the 350 MHz processor. But even with a 
 faster 
 one it wouldn’t be the same experience as it is on, say, a G4 Dual 1GHz 
 running Tiger or a G5 Dual-2 GHz with at least 2 GB memory running Leopard. 
 The second problem that the BW has is the absence of an AGP bus. PCI just 
 isn’t fast enough for Quartz Extreme. Under heavy I/O load (i.e. because I’m 
 copying files on the USB bus -- USB 2.0 expansion card -- PCI bus -- CPU 
 -- 
 IDE channel) graphics becomes snatchy. Without Quartz Extreme (with the 
 original ATi Rage 128 PCI graphics card) it will be snatchy anyhow.
 
 The best OS?
 I can see Mac OS 8.5.1 (the original bundled OS) rocking on it!
 
 Mac OS 8.6 or 9.x is maybe the best choice if you want to go for speed. Or a 
 slim Linux/BSD distro. (But which one? Is there one for PowerPCs?)
 
 Mac OS X 10.3 might also be an option, but there is just soo much great 
 software that requires at least 10.4 to run… 10.3 just makes you feel bad 
 about your decision.
 10.2 will do as well, but I heard that 10.3 is even faster than 10.2 was. 
 Also, 10.3 is the first to feature all that usability that you expect when 
 going for Mac OS X. The backstep to 10.2 just feels like loosing something. 
 Well, it did to me: I’ve tried.
 
 IF you don’t go for speed, 10.4 is propably good for you.
 
 
 Cheers,
 Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250
 
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Re: Best MacOS x on a G3 BW?

[Jesse]

I dunno.. Right-click is the only thing i liked from a windows/linux 
enviroment, and my current leopard has just that with my mighty mouse. Now if i 
could rid it of the menu bar. Bam. Heaven. I dont like having to close an 
app Twice. Yes yes . Cmd - q whatever guys. I wish apple would consider 
instating a windowmaker option. Also is there anyway i could install pure 
darwin, instead of apples flavor and just run x11? Itunes and all that shiz 
isnt really needed. This system is more of a couldnt purchase it when i was 
young( 19 and so broke when the bw was the rage) and id like to enjoy as i 
know what to expect from old hardware deal, so i dont care. Im probably gonna 
get a really old ipod too, just for gits and shigglesIm lame whatever.

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On Jan 22, 2012, at 11:26 PM, a1 arichic...@gmail.com wrote:

 Speaking of Panther, wasn't there a software download that enabled
 right-clicking on an Apple mouse---by holding down the click a little
 longer?
 
 On Jan 21, 8:44 am, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote:
 --  Original message  --
 Subject: Best MacOS x on a G3 BW?
 Date:Wednesday, 11. January 2012
 From:seeker jesselorenstj...@gmail.com
 To:  G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 
 what if any would be the ideal version of macOS x to
 install on g3 bw with maxed ram?  i am a huge fan of opensource, but
 i have fallen head over heals for mac osx and would like to keep these
 machines as such  so any help?
 
 I’m running Mac OS X 10.4.11 Tiger. My BW has its original 350 MHz G3
 processor, and I maxed out the memery 4×215 MB PC100 DIMMs to 1 GB. Sady I do
 rely on 10.4 because of internet functionality: I use TenFourFox. I also have
 a Cube G4 with 450 MHz running Tiger.
 
 BTW TenFourFox on a G3 with some fancy must-have extensions (like NoScript 
 and
 AdBlock Plus) also put the speed brake on it. You just feel that it is too
 much for this old little bugger!
 
 My experience: the bottleneck is the 350 MHz processor. But even with a 
 faster
 one it wouldn’t be the same experience as it is on, say, a G4 Dual 1GHz
 running Tiger or a G5 Dual-2 GHz with at least 2 GB memory running Leopard.
 The second problem that the BW has is the absence of an AGP bus. PCI just
 isn’t fast enough for Quartz Extreme. Under heavy I/O load (i.e. because I’m
 copying files on the USB bus -- USB 2.0 expansion card -- PCI bus -- CPU 
 --
 IDE channel) graphics becomes snatchy. Without Quartz Extreme (with the
 original ATi Rage 128 PCI graphics card) it will be snatchy anyhow.
 
 The best OS?
 I can see Mac OS 8.5.1 (the original bundled OS) rocking on it!
 
 Mac OS 8.6 or 9.x is maybe the best choice if you want to go for speed. Or a
 slim Linux/BSD distro. (But which one? Is there one for PowerPCs?)
 
 Mac OS X 10.3 might also be an option, but there is just soo much great
 software that requires at least 10.4 to run… 10.3 just makes you feel bad
 about your decision.
 10.2 will do as well, but I heard that 10.3 is even faster than 10.2 was.
 Also, 10.3 is the first to feature all that usability that you expect when
 going for Mac OS X. The backstep to 10.2 just feels like loosing something.
 Well, it did to me: I’ve tried.
 
 IF you don’t go for speed, 10.4 is propably good for you.
 
 Cheers,
 Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250
 
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Re: Best MacOS x on a G3 BW?

[Jesse]

 You'll need to get a Radeon PCI card for the dedicated video PCI slot,

I thought i had seen one on ebay, dirt cheap, ill have to watch lemswap for a 
while its like a pci 7200 right? 


 If you replace the G3 CPU with a G4 CPU you can run Leopard 10.5.8 if you use 
 Leopard Assist or some other method to install Leopard
How do we go about this for the sake of posterity? And where would one purchase 
this upgrade? Tigers alright i have non-mainstream use of this computer, other 
than networking, mailchecking and recording and listening to muzak and using an 
old ipod. A reverse anachronism if you will.lol. 

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Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's

[Jesse]

Agreed

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On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Eric Hall jester_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Of course, I for one, am tired of hearing you shill this o/s. Perhaps a line 
 in your sig, people can email you off list if they are interested. 
 
 Thanks
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Cc: 
 Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 8:11 PM
 Subject: Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
 
 
 On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:
 
 This list is the G3-5 List. It is usable software agnostic. Since MOST 
 people on the list run Mac OS, that is what the main knowledge base is. 
 There are other lists with more knowledgable *nix people on them.
 
 That being said, *nix talk is allowed, but remember, most people on the list 
 don't have a lot of knowledge or interest there.
 
 Just remember, this is not the Swap List.
 
 Len Gerstel
 List Nanny
 
 
 That is good to know.  I am just trying to be a good list member and not step 
 on anyone's toes here, so that is why I am being careful with any discussions 
 about alternative OSes for these G4 Mac models.
 
 I'll try to keep this as brief as possible, with respect to others on the 
 list that have no interest in using an alternative OS on their G4 Mac 
 computers, after all MacOSX is the best OS available on any hardware.  ;-)
 
 The alternative OS that I am a strong supporter of is called MorphOS and is 
 currently at version 2.7.  It is based on a micro-kernel called Quark and is 
 tightly coded to make it extremely fast and efficient.  It has been dubbed 
 The Lightning OS by many reviewers, and if it is setup as the primary OS on 
 a G4 Mac computer, it can reboot in less than 10 seconds to a fully 
 functional desktop environment.  MorphOS3.0 is late and should be released 
 any day now.  It has been developed by a small group of mostly European 
 members who are all former Amiga users who wanted to create a modern Amiga 
 replacement operating system that would run on PowerPC CPU's.  The last and 
 highest performing Amiga hardware was created by a third party company named 
 Phase5.  They made a few different models of accelerators for Commodore Amiga 
 computers that had both a Motorola 68040, or 68060 (remember when Mac's only 
 had Motorola 680x0 CPU's?) and a 603, or 604e PowerPC
 CPU.  The accelerator came with a modified OS that could run certain software 
 on the PowerPC CPU, but would then task switch back to the Motorola 680x0 CPU 
 to run the rest of the Amiga software.  It was a clunky solution and came too 
 late, as Commodore was already on the ropes and about to go bankrupt, but 
 still development continued long after Commodore died and these people from 
 Phase5, along with many other Amiga users/developers that would not let the 
 platform die, began the MorphOS project.  It was first hoped that the new 
 owner of the Amiga IP would buy their work and it would have become the new 
 AmigaOS, which would have been version 4 (as the official AmigaOS ended at 
 version 3.9).  It was not to be and another company won the negotiations to 
 write AmigaOS4.x and we now have competing products in the Amiga community.
 
 Enough on the history lesson.  All you need to know about it is that MorphOS 
 has been under development for over 10 years now and has become a very 
 polished and efficient operating system, but it still lacks in sheer numbers 
 of developers and native software, even though it can run most of the 
 thousands of software titles that were originally written for the Amiga line 
 of computers through a JIT (Just-In-Time) 680x0 to PPC translator that is 
 built into the MorphOS operating system.  The only Amiga software that does 
 not run without an emulator on MorphOS, is mostly games and a few other 
 applications that do not follow the system guidelines and hit the old Amiga 
 custom chipset directly, as these custom chips do not exist in the computers 
 (like G4 Mac's) that are supported today by MorphOS.
 
 MorphOS is not intended as a replacement for MacOSX (except perhaps for only 
 the most hardcore old time Amiga users).  It is what is commonly referred to 
 as a Hobby OS that a few thousand users and developers enjoy using and 
 mostly only has interest for people that were former users of the Amiga line 
 of computers, or others that just enjoy exploring alternative operating 
 systems and software, like the nix users.
 
 This list is a perfect place to promote MorphOS, because it is made up of 
 people that appreciate older PowerPC hardware and because over the last few 
 years the MorphOS Development Team has ported MorphOS to several G4 Mac 
 computer models, such as:
 
 All G4 MacMini's
 1.25GHz  1.42GHz G4 eMac's
 All G4 PowerMac's with AGP video card slots that are 500MHz or faster (might 
 even work on 400MHz  faster models)
 
 When MorphOS3.0 is released (any day now) it will also support 4 models of 
 the G4 PowerBook and will be the first 

Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's

[Jesse]

It would be one thing if it was free(like what i use, no plugging) and 
open-source, but its not. admin, dont be a puss, remove.

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On Jan 7, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Christopher Clarke 
chrisclarke1...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Add me to the list of members who are getting tired to this guy trying to 
 sell us on an OS thats (1) Commercial and (2) Craptacular.
 
 Nannies please get rid of this tripe. It doesn't belong.
 
 On 7 Jan 2012, at 16:31, Jesse wrote:
 
 Agreed
 
 Sent from my iPhone 4
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Eric Hall jester_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Of course, I for one, am tired of hearing you shill this o/s. Perhaps a 
 line in your sig, people can email you off list if they are interested. 
 
 Thanks
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Cc: 
 Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 8:11 PM
 Subject: Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
 
 
 On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:
 
 This list is the G3-5 List. It is usable software agnostic. Since MOST 
 people on the list run Mac OS, that is what the main knowledge base is. 
 There are other lists with more knowledgable *nix people on them.
 
 That being said, *nix talk is allowed, but remember, most people on the 
 list don't have a lot of knowledge or interest there.
 
 Just remember, this is not the Swap List.
 
 Len Gerstel
 List Nanny
 
 
 That is good to know.  I am just trying to be a good list member and not 
 step on anyone's toes here, so that is why I am being careful with any 
 discussions about alternative OSes for these G4 Mac models.
 
 I'll try to keep this as brief as possible, with respect to others on the 
 list that have no interest in using an alternative OS on their G4 Mac 
 computers, after all MacOSX is the best OS available on any hardware.  ;-)
 
 The alternative OS that I am a strong supporter of is called MorphOS and is 
 currently at version 2.7.  It is based on a micro-kernel called Quark and 
 is tightly coded to make it extremely fast and efficient.  It has been 
 dubbed The Lightning OS by many reviewers, and if it is setup as the 
 primary OS on a G4 Mac computer, it can reboot in less than 10 seconds to a 
 fully functional desktop environment.  MorphOS3.0 is late and should be 
 released any day now.  It has been developed by a small group of mostly 
 European members who are all former Amiga users who wanted to create a 
 modern Amiga replacement operating system that would run on PowerPC CPU's.  
 The last and highest performing Amiga hardware was created by a third party 
 company named Phase5.  They made a few different models of accelerators for 
 Commodore Amiga computers that had both a Motorola 68040, or 68060 
 (remember when Mac's only had Motorola 680x0 CPU's?) and a 603, or 604e 
 PowerPC
 CPU.  The accelerator came with a modified OS that could run certain 
 software on the PowerPC CPU, but would then task switch back to the 
 Motorola 680x0 CPU to run the rest of the Amiga software.  It was a clunky 
 solution and came too late, as Commodore was already on the ropes and about 
 to go bankrupt, but still development continued long after Commodore died 
 and these people from Phase5, along with many other Amiga users/developers 
 that would not let the platform die, began the MorphOS project.  It was 
 first hoped that the new owner of the Amiga IP would buy their work and it 
 would have become the new AmigaOS, which would have been version 4 (as the 
 official AmigaOS ended at version 3.9).  It was not to be and another 
 company won the negotiations to write AmigaOS4.x and we now have competing 
 products in the Amiga community.
 
 Enough on the history lesson.  All you need to know about it is that 
 MorphOS has been under development for over 10 years now and has become a 
 very polished and efficient operating system, but it still lacks in sheer 
 numbers of developers and native software, even though it can run most of 
 the thousands of software titles that were originally written for the Amiga 
 line of computers through a JIT (Just-In-Time) 680x0 to PPC translator that 
 is built into the MorphOS operating system.  The only Amiga software that 
 does not run without an emulator on MorphOS, is mostly games and a few 
 other applications that do not follow the system guidelines and hit the old 
 Amiga custom chipset directly, as these custom chips do not exist in the 
 computers (like G4 Mac's) that are supported today by MorphOS.
 
 MorphOS is not intended as a replacement for MacOSX (except perhaps for 
 only the most hardcore old time Amiga users).  It is what is commonly 
 referred to as a Hobby OS that a few thousand users and developers enjoy 
 using and mostly only has interest for people that were former users of the 
 Amiga line of computers, or others that just enjoy exploring alternative 
 operating systems and software, like the nix users.
 
 This list is a perfect place to promote

Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?

[Jesse]

Do you have the OS install discs? If you do, here's an option: back up all your 
information, media, pictures, whatever, is yours. Delete everything once you 
have it backed up on another drive or whatever, and go about reinstalling (and 
in the process wiping your drive of anything; a) incriminating or  b) sensitive 
or destructive or personal) your OS. Remember to write zeroes to the drive as 
well. Blah blah blah. After the process is complete, only someone hell-bent on 
destroying either your reputation or credit, or talented enough might be able 
to pull anything off of it. The average user isn't going to care. Or just 
save your home folder(~/user,  user equaling you in this) to wherever and 
delete that user from the system as well. Administration is not that trying on 
Mac os or any other os for that matter, don't be scared to make a move, if you 
can back up files, and follow instructions. 

It's not like your wiping a government or corporate computer with sensitive 
info, amirite?

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On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:28 PM, cheryl chelyh...@gmail.com wrote:

 So if I just delete my own personal stuff, it will be ok to leave the
 OS on? That's the main thing I want to do is remove my own stuff and
 I'm afraid I will do it wrong and leave something there.
 
 On Jan 2, 7:30 pm, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it
 wrote:
 Il giorno 3-01-2012 3:40, cheryl ha scritto:
 
 I'm not savvy about any of this, so if I sound like an idiot, that is
 why.
 
 Relax.
 There are no stupid questions - although there might be stupid answers. ;-)
 
 The two machines I have I bought used with the operating systems
 already installed and no disks and I have never had to clear a
 computer, hard drive, whatever in order to sell it.
 
 So you're selling them?
 I'd say you just need to erase your data (unless you don't mind other people
 getting their hands on it).
 
 I read somewhere
 that if I sell a used computer I am supposed to remove the OS before I
 do.
 
 It depends. Some Lists (like LEM-Swap) require to sell the machine with no
 OS later than the Mac was shipped with, unless you give the original OS
 discs included.
 (in other words, not giving away pirated OS copies)
 
 IMHO it's pretty much up to you, however.
 If the OS is the same you got the Macs with, you might as well leave it on.
 Leaving an OS is a kind gesture to the new user - who might be even less
 computer-savvy than you. :-)
 
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Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's

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Uh anybody landfilling 450mhz smurf. Donate it to me, that was my dream 
computer as a teenager, also a dual 1ghz QS lol highly unlikely amirite? 

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On Jan 6, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote:

 The faster dual processors are pretty expensive on ebay. Also, it might be 
 worth finding a cheap power supply for, though sometimes those are as 
 expensive as the whole computer.
 
 
 I imagine the parts especially processor board must still be worth
 hanging on to?
 
 
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Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?

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As far as I know, they can be wiped or they can carry what original came on it 
or they can be updated to what OS they can carry at the moment. Check list 
rules as to what is acceptable, say if you were on LEM-swap. Other than that, 
wiping is merely an option for security, so do what thou wilt...

Tah

Ps...  Try putting your drive in another system and wiping then reinstalling it 
physically in the machine you want clean. Automatic wiped system!

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On Jan 2, 2012, at 8:40 PM, cheryl chelyh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not savvy about any of this, so if I sound like an idiot, that is
 why. The two machines I have I bought used with the operating systems
 already installed and no disks and I have never had to clear a
 computer, hard drive, whatever in order to sell it. I read somewhere
 that if I sell a used computer I am supposed to remove the OS before I
 do.
 
 On Jan 2, 4:58 pm, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2012/01/02 17:11, Valter Prahlad so eloquently wrote:
 
 Il giorno 2-01-2012 23:54, cheryl ha scritto:
 
  I have two old Macs that I want to wipe the data from. Can I do that
  myself?
 Do you mean erasing the whole drive, or just the user's data?
 In other words: do you want an empty drive, or a working Mac (booting and
 with apps) but without any of your data left?
 
 Giving that the subject line is: How do I remove an *OS* from a computer, I 
 think
 it's pretty plain. The earlier answer about booting from an install disc,
 launching Disk Utility, clicking on the desired drive, then erase, and then 
 going
 into Security Options... and choosing how many times you want it 
 overwritten, is
 the answer you're looking for.
 
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Re: [G3-5]Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS

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On Dec 9, 2011, at 9:24 AM, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com 
 
 So are you saying that we can run Flash 11 on PowerPC?

No, it's a hack that involves feeding the wrong version number to the player. 
It is NOT flash 11 on ppc. Most of these sites require a newer version number, 
not newer flash functionality. And bam Theres your hack.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: MDD just shuts down by itselfŠ opinions please.

[Jesse]

Sounds more like a p/s problem. Have u checked your logs in console? Can you 
remember when it happened? Look that time up in the system logs.

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On Nov 17, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Ken Daggett kadagg...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 On 17 Nov 2011, at 11:17:51 PST, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
 
 
 On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote:
 
 If the clock reset itself, it's very likely the Pram battery is gone.
 
 Fresh PRAM battery ... gets 3.6v on the meter cuda switch pushed. I 
 CANNOT get the clock to behave what else could cause the clock to do 
 this??
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Re: Fed up with Google changes on browsers in Tiger

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On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:57 AM, a1 arichic...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use Panther and Tiger on my G4 and other macs, usually switching
 between Omniweb, Camino and sometimes Opera. I gave up on Firefox and
 10.4 Fox simply because I dont want to do jumping jacks simply in
 order to watch youtube or facebook videos. I am utterly fed up with
 what Google did to Reader, and now, gchat within gmail and even
 opening gmail messages has gotten flaky, unreliable. I have always
 used webmail and browser apps but I have simply had enough. So, some
 questions, hardware and software.
 
 Hardware: I am either going to radically upgrade the G4 or buy one of
 the G5's I see flooding the market here. Am I really going to have
 great relief upgrading to Leopard on a G5 or is it only a matter of
 time before Google starts messing with the compatibility of browsers
 for Leopard, too? Between Firefox, Google and Apple sunsetting their
 products prematurely, simultaneously really, a PPC user seemingly has
 nowhere to turn. Incidentally, would an older IDE hard drive simply
 plug in and work in a G5 for migration purposes?
 
 Software: I really, really need an RSS reader that will remain
 reliable with Tiger. And, I really need an email program I can suck my
 gmail out of Google without bothering anymore with their webmail. I
 tried Thunderbird for a while but disliked the user interface,
 specifically an inability to make the text in panes larger.


 I have
 never gotten a version of Apple Mail to work with gmail.

I have. It works pretty good actually, better than hotmail and apples mail


 I want to
 leave browsing to a minimum as at this juncture none of the browsers
 really are pleasant.
 
 My internet days go back to vax machines and Elm mail, running Usenet
 off a shell, and text-only telnet. All this modeming into an ISP using
 my color classic. I was much happier then! I have never been so
 annoyed at online experience as these days. Do people use Terminal for
 email or any way around the suffocation of the upgrade curve?
 
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Re: hacking for a slimmer world

[Jesse]

So what are the best drives and cards for scsi? Am I able to find larger drives 
in scsi? Seems as though, looking at the Mac swap list that,sadly, that a used 
option would be as expensive as a new one? Ne deals ne one?

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On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:45 AM, David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think that the advantage of using SCSI drives is not only in the transfer 
 speed, which as you say is equal to one of your newer IDE drives, but IDE 
 uses more CPU DMA to run than using SCSI which frees the CPU up from managing 
 the data transfer.  I don't know all the details as I am not a technical guy 
 (not too much anyway), but when faced with limited CPU power, SCSI drives 
 will always be better than IDE from what I have read in the past.
 
 This will speed up your G4 PowerMac, as it will have more CPU resources to 
 work on other tasks, instead of using a chunk of it's power to transfer data 
 over the IDE bus.
 
 I have several ATTO fibre optic controller cards pulled from Avid Meridian 
 audio/video editing MDD G4 systems, if anyone is interested in getting one.  
 I think the max transfer speed for them is faster than your 80MB/s, but then 
 you need a hard drive or adapter that converts drives to fibre optic, which I 
 am unfamiliar with, as the editing systems did not come with the storage 
 drives that the fibre optic cards connected to.
 
 Not sure how you are going to test the speed improvement you can get from 
 using SCSI drives instead of IDE, when both drives are transferring data at 
 the same speed, but as I said above, your G4(s) should have much more 
 resources available when using SCSI than IDE.
 
 
 On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Bruce Godfrey wrote:
 
 dc, do you have any data on how much difference a fast SCSI drive makes in a 
 MDD or similar G$ Mac?  I just installed one and I have used Disk Speed 
 Bench X to test the transfer speed.  I find 80MB/sec.  My original IDE 
 Hitachi Deskstar on the ATA100 bus is only moving about 50MB/sec.  However, 
 another WD drive on the same ATA 100 bus is also moving 80MB/sec.
 I was hoping the 15K U320 SCSI drive would easily beat a good IDE drive, but 
 that does not appear to be the case.  Is it maybe the kind of test Disk 
 Speed Bench X performs?
 
 Another related point - AFAIK the fastest SCSI card made for a PCI slot is 
 U160.  The U320 cards are all PCI-X or later.  Those work in a PCI slot, but 
 only at 33MHz and 32 bits.  The PCI SCSI cards, at least the ones from ATTO 
 Tech, actually use the 64 bit wide PCI bus in old Macs.  Maybe the only PCI 
 cards made that do.
 
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Re: Will Snow Leopard run on a PPC Mac? And question about Firefox

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On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:38 AM, cheryl chelyh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have an older Mac Mini that has a PPC processor. I'm currently
 running the latest version of Leopard and I'm just wondering if Snow
 Leopard will run on this machine. I've heard it won't but you guys


No it won't unfortunately. Ppc support was removed as of snow leopard(bummer) 
however, thru Rosetta you can use ppc soft on an intel mac, not that is really 
useful to you. 
 know more!
 
 Also, the latest version of Firefox is not compatible with my OS. Are
 there any other browsers out there that will run on Leopard

Camino opera omnibrowser tenfourfox amongst others, although many browsers run 
on leopard, it's more the architecture that is a problem.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Cheryl
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hacking for a slimmer world

[Jesse St.John]

alright everyone i am using leopard 10.5.8 on a dp 1.25mhz mdd with 2  
gigs of ram, any tweaks that you would suggest, any ways to go about  
kernel hacking and trimming my system?


i cant really afford a g5 at the moment, and i dig the ppc arch, so i  
am using this up for what i am doing.


im trying to make it ultra-snappy and everything that doesnt need to  
run or be loaded, needs to be killed. So any ideas?


i have gotten a better video card( i have the adc variety 128meg  
radeon agp) updated mouse and keyboard and i am using some usb apple  
pro speakers(there shot).


help please.  ideas, things to read, anything

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Re: APC ES-500 Yelling Right Out of the Box

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Was the package open already at the store?

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On Nov 1, 2011, at 2:12 AM, Brielle Bruns br...@2mbit.com wrote:

 On 10/31/11 10:24 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:
 
 Yesterday purchased a new UPS ES 500 and noticed when instructed to
 connect battery cables they already were. Hm. When I plug in the unit it
 has one steady alarm.
 
 
 Depending on which light it may be, if it started yelling as soon as you 
 plugged it in, its possible you have a wiring fault somewhere on that branch 
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Re: 10.5.8 Update Stuck in Configuring Installation for 12 Hours

[Jesse]

I'm going to not give you bad advice on this, but just a replay on similarities 
between our situations. 

Recently I purchased an mdd g4 dual 1.25(It's awesome, yet underpowered by 
today's standards) and had 10.4.11 installed. Well I have an iphone 4 and 
needed 10.5 for the newer iTunes so I could update it. I received my copy of 
leopard installed and the machine took twenty tries to finally get installed 
then it went into an infinite loop for the installer and would never boot into 
leopard. I decided to just turn the computer off( since it was a project) and 
put it away. One day decided to install slackintosh on this machine so I 
decided to for gits and shiggles reset the pram and all the other things I've 
read and restart it. Lo and behold this computer started booting onto Mac os x 
( which I was confused since it didn't seem to ever completely finish 
installing..) and bampf ta  daa a brand new fresh install of leopard was 
staring me in the face. Cool? Totally. How does this relate? The same dang 
thing happened when I  installed updates . So try it or don't, whatever. 

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On Oct 26, 2011, at 11:02 AM, t...@io.com t...@prismnet.com wrote:

 I am trying to update a 1.25 GHz MDD (single G4) from a clean install
 of 10.5 to 10.5.8.  Perhaps naively, I let Software Update do its
 thing and after a couple hours of downloading through our slow DSL
 connection, things were chugging along.
 
 I should note that Software Update was performing five updates total,
 including the Mac OSX Combo 10.5.8 update.
 
 Last night the machine was sitting with a solid light blue screen with
 a message box in the center showing almost no progress on the progress
 bar and a caption reading, Configuring Installation and this morning
 it appears to be in exactly the same state.
 
 I can't seem to bring up the Activity Monitor (or whatever it's
 called) with a cmd-opt-esc and there are no menus nor buttons on the
 screen.  However, I'm hesitant to shut down with the power button.
 
 Thank you for any helpful or humorous suggestions,
 
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Re: G4 4s

[Jesse]

Yes you will need to update to leopard, as I have had to do the same on my mdd 
dual 1.25

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu 
wrote:

 
 On Oct 12, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:
 
 Will an iphone 4S work properly syncing with a G4 running 10.4.11?   I have 
 so many problems with the 3GS. 
 
 Well, officially one no longer needs a Mac to synch an iPhone, since with the 
 advent of IOS5 and iCloud, it all happens in the cloud.
 
 Synching down to a Mac that old may not work, although I suspect a lot can be 
 done through the iCloud web interface.
 
 
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