Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[Simon Royal]

Justin.

Thanks, someone else has thid mod working in a DA, so you may be right regards 
to the Sawtooth.

Simon

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Subject: Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth
From: Justin The Cynical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 20/10/2008 04:01


Kris Tilford wrote:
> On Oct 19, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Ross wrote:
> 
>> learn how to take a proper picture with your camera...
> 
> Look for the "Macro" button when you're taking close-ups.
> 
> I think the odds are greater that the AGP slot is bad, rather than the  
> card is bad. Try to borrow a known good card, or try your "correctly  
> modified" card in another Mac with a known good slot.

Actually, I don't think this is the case.

The NVidia card is keyed for a 1.5V slot.

The sawtooth is a 3.3v slot.

Also, even though I can't seem to find it now, I believe that the NVidia 
card will only go down to 4x.

I don't think it's going to work in a sawtooth.  I have one of these 
cards, and I have done the mod for my old DA, but everything I can find 
now, and recall finding, says that these cards will work in a minimum of 
a DA (4x slot) and up.





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Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[Simon Royal]

Ross

Cheers, looks like this card requires a Digital Audio and upwards.

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On Oct 20 2008, Ross wrote:




Simon Royal wrote:

> Here are some pictures of the modded/hacked card
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-whole.jpg
>
> and
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-edge.jpg
>
> I cannot get the card to sit in the machine properly. If I put it inline 
> with the back of the machine it will not go in the slot. The grooves in 
> the card do not match up to the grooves in the card edge.
>
> Here is the AGP slot - you can see the PCI card installed.
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-agp.jpg
>
> and
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-slot.jpg
>
> If I put the card in so it fits in the slot, the card sits an inch back 
> from the back of the machine. I know they shouldn't be like this and I 
> know some cards card be a pain to get in, especially if the card face 
> plate is a little bent.
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-back.jpg

Simon,

Here is the page you should be looking at:



If your FX5200 was not modified correctly, it will not work. If it was
modified correctly, you have to install it correctly.

BUT FIRST, you need to learn how to take a proper picture with your
camera...

Ross





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Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[Simon Royal]

Ross.

I took the pictures on my mobile, my camera skills are fine.

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Subject: Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth
From: Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 20/10/2008 01:07




Simon Royal wrote:

> Here are some pictures of the modded/hacked card
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-whole.jpg
>
> and
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-edge.jpg
>
> I cannot get the card to sit in the machine properly. If I put it inline
> with the back of the machine it will not go in the slot. The grooves in the
> card do not match up to the grooves in the card edge.
>
> Here is the AGP slot - you can see the PCI card installed.
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-agp.jpg
>
> and
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-slot.jpg
>
> If I put the card in so it fits in the slot, the card sits an inch back
> from the back of the machine. I know they shouldn't be like this and I know
> some cards card be a pain to get in, especially if the card face plate is a
> little bent.
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-back.jpg

Simon,

Here is the page you should be looking at:

<http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/FX5200_Mods_for_G4/
FX5200_G4mods.html>

If your FX5200 was not modified correctly, it will not work. If it was
modified correctly, you have to install it correctly.

BUT FIRST, you need to learn how to take a proper picture with your
camera...

Ross





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Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[Justin The Cynical]

Kris Tilford wrote:
> On Oct 19, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Ross wrote:
> 
>> learn how to take a proper picture with your camera...
> 
> Look for the "Macro" button when you're taking close-ups.
> 
> I think the odds are greater that the AGP slot is bad, rather than the  
> card is bad. Try to borrow a known good card, or try your "correctly  
> modified" card in another Mac with a known good slot.

Actually, I don't think this is the case.

The NVidia card is keyed for a 1.5V slot.

The sawtooth is a 3.3v slot.

Also, even though I can't seem to find it now, I believe that the NVidia 
card will only go down to 4x.

I don't think it's going to work in a sawtooth.  I have one of these 
cards, and I have done the mod for my old DA, but everything I can find 
now, and recall finding, says that these cards will work in a minimum of 
a DA (4x slot) and up.

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Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[Kris Tilford]

On Oct 19, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Ross wrote:

> learn how to take a proper picture with your camera...

Look for the "Macro" button when you're taking close-ups.

I think the odds are greater that the AGP slot is bad, rather than the  
card is bad. Try to borrow a known good card, or try your "correctly  
modified" card in another Mac with a known good slot.

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Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[Ross]

Simon Royal wrote:

> Here are some pictures of the modded/hacked card
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-whole.jpg
>
> and
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-edge.jpg
>
> I cannot get the card to sit in the machine properly. If I put it inline
> with the back of the machine it will not go in the slot. The grooves in the
> card do not match up to the grooves in the card edge.
>
> Here is the AGP slot - you can see the PCI card installed.
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-agp.jpg
>
> and
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-slot.jpg
>
> If I put the card in so it fits in the slot, the card sits an inch back
> from the back of the machine. I know they shouldn't be like this and I know
> some cards card be a pain to get in, especially if the card face plate is a
> little bent.
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-back.jpg

Simon,

Here is the page you should be looking at:



If your FX5200 was not modified correctly, it will not work. If it was
modified correctly, you have to install it correctly.

BUT FIRST, you need to learn how to take a proper picture with your
camera...

Ross

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Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[Simon Royal]

Hi

I think there is a problem with the card. The machine won't boot with it in.

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On Oct 19 2008, J.M.P.Hissel wrote:


On 18-10-2008 23:57, Simon Royal, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:

> With both cards installed (and the monitor hooked to the ATI card) the
> machine will not get any further than the grey apple screen. I tried it
> without the AGP card installed and it boots as normal.
> 
> Any ideas?

Hello Simon, 

A very old trick, mostly working (at least when booting in 9.2.2) on  Macs
of the Sawtooth generation and before: Just connect a videocable or a single
converter to the AGP card and try again.
One of my archives-Macs, a Sawtooth/450 has the original AGP (ATI Rage 128
Pro) and 2 PCI (ATI Rage 128) out of a Yikes and 3 monitors oc. When I
sometimes need the monitor connected to the AGP (to check a Mac for a client
or so), I simply connect a VGA -> Mac connector to the AGP. Works OK.

HTH,

Jo Hissel







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Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[J.M.P.Hissel]

On 18-10-2008 23:57, Simon Royal, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:

> With both cards installed (and the monitor hooked to the ATI card) the
> machine will not get any further than the grey apple screen. I tried it
> without the AGP card installed and it boots as normal.
> 
> Any ideas?

Hello Simon, 

A very old trick, mostly working (at least when booting in 9.2.2) on  Macs
of the Sawtooth generation and before: Just connect a videocable or a single
converter to the AGP card and try again.
One of my archives-Macs, a Sawtooth/450 has the original AGP (ATI Rage 128
Pro) and 2 PCI (ATI Rage 128) out of a Yikes and 3 monitors oc. When I
sometimes need the monitor connected to the AGP (to check a Mac for a client
or so), I simply connect a VGA -> Mac connector to the AGP. Works OK.

HTH,

Jo Hissel



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Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[Will S]

I think I may have an answer . Not all AGP slots are the same . I
believe the Sawtooth has a 2x AGP slot . The slots look the same but
the cross pieces that match up with the slots in the card are in
different places . Given that you need to tape over some of the pins
on the Video card it must be a 4 or 8x  card. This will work with some
machines but 4x & 8 x cards will not fit in a 2x slot sorry.
 I now see your card has been cut to help it fit. Perhaps the cuts are
off just enough that the slots & pins don't match up correctly? Best
of luck .


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Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[Simon Royal]

DC

OK, let me make it a little clearer.

I have a Sawtooth with a PCI graphics card (ATI Rage 128). This leaves the 
AGP port free. I got sent a card which I think is a GeForce FX5200 from a 
G5, which has been cut as it is an AGP 8x card and Sawtooth machines will 
only accept AGP 2x/4x.

Here are some pictures of the modded/hacked card

http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-whole.jpg

and

http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-edge.jpg

I cannot get the card to sit in the machine properly. If I put it inline 
with the back of the machine it will not go in the slot. The grooves in the 
card do not match up to the grooves in the card edge.

Here is the AGP slot - you can see the PCI card installed.

http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-agp.jpg

and

http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-slot.jpg

If I put the card in so it fits in the slot, the card sits an inch back 
from the back of the machine. I know they shouldn't be like this and I know 
some cards card be a pain to get in, especially if the card face plate is a 
little bent.

http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/sawtooth/card-back.jpg

Can you see my problem?

The ATI card (in the PCI slot) is VGA. The GeForce card (in the AGP slot) 
is DVI/ADC. My monitor is only VGA. So I cannot test the GeForce card on 
its own. Hence the reason I wanted to boot with both cards installed and 
hook the monitor to the ATI card. Then I should be able to see the GeForce 
card in System Profiler.

If the card then works I will buy a new monitor or a converter, but I won't 
unless I can get anything out of this card. With both cards in the machine 
will boot the grey Apple screen and go no further.

The Mac works fine with just the ATI card installed.

I hope that clears a few things up. Any suggestions. I'm not a computer 
novice, but this has stumped me a little.

Simon





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On Oct 19 2008, dc wrote:


I'm so confused.. one of your replies got posted as a separate thread.
If the ATI card is a PCI version then the AGP slot is empty, right? So
AGP card could fit right in next to the PCI card. The only reason I
can think of to have a PCI card when an AGP slot is available would be
if the AGP slot is burned out. Can you ask the previous owner if there
was a problem? And what do you mean when you say the Nvidia card has
been "cut"?

On Oct 18, 5:24 pm, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> DC
>
> I definitely have a Sawtooth, not a Yikes. It has an Airport card in its
> slot - which the Yikes didn't have.
>
> However, the previous owner has removed the AGP graphics card and put in a
> PCI ATI Rage 128 Pro, looks like it is from the B&W G3.
>
> I have installed regular AGP cards before in other machines and I know 
> they are a little tricky at times, but this one just doesn't want to fit.
>
> It already has had the card cut and taped over.
>
> Simon
>
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> Mac.
>
> On Oct 18 2008, dc wrote:
>
> I hope you're not trying to fit it into a "Yikes" with a PCI graphics
> slot Just make sure you are putting it in the AGP slot (the first
> slot, the one toward the center of the motherboard) and opening the
> AGP tab at the back of the slot (toward the center of the
> motherboard). Don't put too much pressure on the tab or it will snap
> off, it only needs to move a slight bit to let the card seat. I guess
> you must be familiar with it since you took the original card out? And
> be careful not to move the tape that is covering pins 3 & 11 or all
> you will see is a black screen or KP when you startup.
>
> On Oct 18, 4:58 pm, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi
>
> > Andy from this G3-5 list very kindly sent me a USB2 card for my 
> > Sawtooth which works fine. He also sent me a graphics card to replace 
> > the ATI card in it.
>
> > It is an nVidia, model number A146. Googling it brought it up as an 
> > nVidia GeForce 5200 FX.
>
> > I cannot seem to get it in my Sawtooth. Searching Google again it 
> > seems you need to hack it and cover some of the edges with tape. It 
> > looks as if this is already done, but I still can't get it in.
>
> > Am I being thick or is there something esle I should be doing?
>
> > Simon
>
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Re: Fwd: Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[dc]

Anytime any PCI or AGP card is not seated properly the Mac won't boot.
The Nvidia card is not seated properly. It does not belong an inch
behind the panel. With the faceplate off try to reseat it so that the
connections are protruding slightly (about one-eighth of an inch) and
the AGP tab at the back of the card lines up with the tab on the
motherboard's AGP slot. It may be that the bottom of the faceplate was
bent a little and was not lining up with the slot on the computer
chassis. That often happens if you rock the card back and forth when
removing it instead of pulling straight up. The faceplates are easy to
bend. You can boot with 2 cards installed but, since there is only one
AGP slot the second card has to be a PCI card. I have to ask, do the
pins on the bottom of the Nvidia card look exactly like those on your
ATI card (except for the tape on the Nvidia pins)? Speaking of the
tape, remember not to remove or alter it when you move the card; pins
3&11 must stay covered.

On Oct 18, 5:57 pm, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> DC
>
> Just had a tinker and a second look. I took the face plate off the card and
> it will fit in the AGP slot, but it sits slightly back from the back of the
> machine, meaning I would have to feed the monitor cable through the back of
> the machine about an inch.
>
> I also had to remove the modem card as it wouldn't allow the card to sit
> properly.
>
> Problem I have is, my monitor is VGA only and this card is ADC/DVI. Can I
> run the G4 with both cards installed and my monitor hooked to the old card.
> Can you run a Mac with two graphics cards installed? I know this might
> sound pointless but at least I should be able to see the AGP card in System
> Profiler.
>
> I don't want to go any buy a new monitor or a VGA-to-DVI converter if this
> card then doesn't work.
>
> With both cards installed (and the monitor hooked to the ATI card) the
> machine will not get any further than the grey apple screen. I tried it
> without the AGP card installed and it boots as normal.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Simon
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth
> Date: 18 Oct 2008 22:24:49 +0100
>
> DC
>
> I definitely have a Sawtooth, not a Yikes. It has an Airport card in its
> slot - which the Yikes didn't have.
>
> However, the previous owner has removed the AGP graphics card and put in a
> PCI ATI Rage 128 Pro, looks like it is from the B&W G3.
>
> I have installed regular AGP cards before in other machines and I know they
> are a little tricky at times, but this one just doesn't want to fit.
>
> It already has had the card cut and taped over.
>
> Simon
>
> ---http://www.simonroyal.co.uk- Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades,
> hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk- webmaster for Norwich Mac User
> Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple
> Mac.
>
> On Oct 18 2008, dc wrote:
>
> I hope you're not trying to fit it into a "Yikes" with a PCI graphics
> slot Just make sure you are putting it in the AGP slot (the first
> slot, the one toward the center of the motherboard) and opening the
> AGP tab at the back of the slot (toward the center of the
> motherboard). Don't put too much pressure on the tab or it will snap
> off, it only needs to move a slight bit to let the card seat. I guess
> you must be familiar with it since you took the original card out? And
> be careful not to move the tape that is covering pins 3 & 11 or all
> you will see is a black screen or KP when you startup.
>
> On Oct 18, 4:58 pm, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi
>
> > Andy from this G3-5 list very kindly sent me a USB2 card for my Sawtooth
> > which works fine. He also sent me a graphics card to replace the ATI card
> > in it.
>
> > It is an nVidia, model number A146. Googling it brought it up as an nVidia
> > GeForce 5200 FX.
>
> > I cannot seem to get it in my Sawtooth. Searching Google again it seems
> > you need to hack it and cover some of the edges with tape. It looks as if
> > this is already done, but I still can't get it in.
>
> > Am I being thick or is there something esle I should be doing?
>
> > Simon
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Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[dc]

I'm so confused.. one of your replies got posted as a separate thread.
If the ATI card is a PCI version then the AGP slot is empty, right? So
AGP card could fit right in next to the PCI card. The only reason I
can think of to have a PCI card when an AGP slot is available would be
if the AGP slot is burned out. Can you ask the previous owner if there
was a problem? And what do you mean when you say the Nvidia card has
been "cut"?

On Oct 18, 5:24 pm, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> DC
>
> I definitely have a Sawtooth, not a Yikes. It has an Airport card in its
> slot - which the Yikes didn't have.
>
> However, the previous owner has removed the AGP graphics card and put in a
> PCI ATI Rage 128 Pro, looks like it is from the B&W G3.
>
> I have installed regular AGP cards before in other machines and I know they
> are a little tricky at times, but this one just doesn't want to fit.
>
> It already has had the card cut and taped over.
>
> Simon
>
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> hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk- webmaster for Norwich Mac User
> Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple
> Mac.
>
> On Oct 18 2008, dc wrote:
>
> I hope you're not trying to fit it into a "Yikes" with a PCI graphics
> slot Just make sure you are putting it in the AGP slot (the first
> slot, the one toward the center of the motherboard) and opening the
> AGP tab at the back of the slot (toward the center of the
> motherboard). Don't put too much pressure on the tab or it will snap
> off, it only needs to move a slight bit to let the card seat. I guess
> you must be familiar with it since you took the original card out? And
> be careful not to move the tape that is covering pins 3 & 11 or all
> you will see is a black screen or KP when you startup.
>
> On Oct 18, 4:58 pm, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi
>
> > Andy from this G3-5 list very kindly sent me a USB2 card for my Sawtooth
> > which works fine. He also sent me a graphics card to replace the ATI card
> > in it.
>
> > It is an nVidia, model number A146. Googling it brought it up as an nVidia
> > GeForce 5200 FX.
>
> > I cannot seem to get it in my Sawtooth. Searching Google again it seems
> > you need to hack it and cover some of the edges with tape. It looks as if
> > this is already done, but I still can't get it in.
>
> > Am I being thick or is there something esle I should be doing?
>
> > Simon
>
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Fwd: Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[Simon Royal]

DC

Just had a tinker and a second look. I took the face plate off the card and 
it will fit in the AGP slot, but it sits slightly back from the back of the 
machine, meaning I would have to feed the monitor cable through the back of 
the machine about an inch.

I also had to remove the modem card as it wouldn't allow the card to sit 
properly.

Problem I have is, my monitor is VGA only and this card is ADC/DVI. Can I 
run the G4 with both cards installed and my monitor hooked to the old card. 
Can you run a Mac with two graphics cards installed? I know this might 
sound pointless but at least I should be able to see the AGP card in System 
Profiler.

I don't want to go any buy a new monitor or a VGA-to-DVI converter if this 
card then doesn't work.

With both cards installed (and the monitor hooked to the ATI card) the 
machine will not get any further than the grey apple screen. I tried it 
without the AGP card installed and it boots as normal.

Any ideas?

Simon

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Subject: Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth
Date: 18 Oct 2008 22:24:49 +0100

DC

I definitely have a Sawtooth, not a Yikes. It has an Airport card in its 
slot - which the Yikes didn't have.

However, the previous owner has removed the AGP graphics card and put in a 
PCI ATI Rage 128 Pro, looks like it is from the B&W G3.

I have installed regular AGP cards before in other machines and I know they 
are a little tricky at times, but this one just doesn't want to fit.

It already has had the card cut and taped over.

Simon

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Mac.


On Oct 18 2008, dc wrote:


I hope you're not trying to fit it into a "Yikes" with a PCI graphics
slot Just make sure you are putting it in the AGP slot (the first
slot, the one toward the center of the motherboard) and opening the
AGP tab at the back of the slot (toward the center of the
motherboard). Don't put too much pressure on the tab or it will snap
off, it only needs to move a slight bit to let the card seat. I guess
you must be familiar with it since you took the original card out? And
be careful not to move the tape that is covering pins 3 & 11 or all
you will see is a black screen or KP when you startup.

On Oct 18, 4:58 pm, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Andy from this G3-5 list very kindly sent me a USB2 card for my Sawtooth
> which works fine. He also sent me a graphics card to replace the ATI card
> in it.
>
> It is an nVidia, model number A146. Googling it brought it up as an nVidia
> GeForce 5200 FX.
>
> I cannot seem to get it in my Sawtooth. Searching Google again it seems 
> you need to hack it and cover some of the edges with tape. It looks as if 
> this is already done, but I still can't get it in.
>
> Am I being thick or is there something esle I should be doing?
>
> Simon
>
> ---http://www.simonroyal.co.uk- Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades,
> hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk- webmaster for Norwich Mac User
> Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple
> Mac.






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Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[Simon Royal]

DC

I definitely have a Sawtooth, not a Yikes. It has an Airport card in its 
slot - which the Yikes didn't have.

However, the previous owner has removed the AGP graphics card and put in a 
PCI ATI Rage 128 Pro, looks like it is from the B&W G3.

I have installed regular AGP cards before in other machines and I know they 
are a little tricky at times, but this one just doesn't want to fit.

It already has had the card cut and taped over.

Simon

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Mac.


On Oct 18 2008, dc wrote:


I hope you're not trying to fit it into a "Yikes" with a PCI graphics
slot Just make sure you are putting it in the AGP slot (the first
slot, the one toward the center of the motherboard) and opening the
AGP tab at the back of the slot (toward the center of the
motherboard). Don't put too much pressure on the tab or it will snap
off, it only needs to move a slight bit to let the card seat. I guess
you must be familiar with it since you took the original card out? And
be careful not to move the tape that is covering pins 3 & 11 or all
you will see is a black screen or KP when you startup.

On Oct 18, 4:58 pm, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Andy from this G3-5 list very kindly sent me a USB2 card for my Sawtooth
> which works fine. He also sent me a graphics card to replace the ATI card
> in it.
>
> It is an nVidia, model number A146. Googling it brought it up as an nVidia
> GeForce 5200 FX.
>
> I cannot seem to get it in my Sawtooth. Searching Google again it seems 
> you need to hack it and cover some of the edges with tape. It looks as if 
> this is already done, but I still can't get it in.
>
> Am I being thick or is there something esle I should be doing?
>
> Simon
>
> ---http://www.simonroyal.co.uk- Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades,
> hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk- webmaster for Norwich Mac User
> Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple
> Mac.




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Re: GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[dc]

I hope you're not trying to fit it into a "Yikes" with a PCI graphics
slot Just make sure you are putting it in the AGP slot (the first
slot, the one toward the center of the motherboard) and opening the
AGP tab at the back of the slot (toward the center of the
motherboard). Don't put too much pressure on the tab or it will snap
off, it only needs to move a slight bit to let the card seat. I guess
you must be familiar with it since you took the original card out? And
be careful not to move the tape that is covering pins 3 & 11 or all
you will see is a black screen or KP when you startup.

On Oct 18, 4:58 pm, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Andy from this G3-5 list very kindly sent me a USB2 card for my Sawtooth
> which works fine. He also sent me a graphics card to replace the ATI card
> in it.
>
> It is an nVidia, model number A146. Googling it brought it up as an nVidia
> GeForce 5200 FX.
>
> I cannot seem to get it in my Sawtooth. Searching Google again it seems you
> need to hack it and cover some of the edges with tape. It looks as if this
> is already done, but I still can't get it in.
>
> Am I being thick or is there something esle I should be doing?
>
> Simon
>
> ---http://www.simonroyal.co.uk- Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades,
> hacks and more... -http://www.nmug.org.uk- webmaster for Norwich Mac User
> Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple
> Mac.
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GeForce FX5200 In Sawtooth

[Simon Royal]

Hi

Andy from this G3-5 list very kindly sent me a USB2 card for my Sawtooth 
which works fine. He also sent me a graphics card to replace the ATI card 
in it.

It is an nVidia, model number A146. Googling it brought it up as an nVidia 
GeForce 5200 FX.

I cannot seem to get it in my Sawtooth. Searching Google again it seems you 
need to hack it and cover some of the edges with tape. It looks as if this 
is already done, but I still can't get it in.

Am I being thick or is there something esle I should be doing?

Simon


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