Re: G5 RAM voltage
On Nov 19, 2010, at 4:24 PM, M Christol wrote: I believe I have it in right but it's not showing up. My G5 is VERY picky about how the RAM is seated. In my experience, all computers that require matched sets are difficult. I've reseated and restarted my G5 perhaps 18-20 times before, moving the sticks in matched slots as required, but in different slots. As soon as the all were recognized, no problems whatsoever. You may want to consider pressing the CUDA reset, I don't think this is required. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 RAM voltage
On Nov 19, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Nov 19, 2010, at 4:24 PM, M Christol wrote: I believe I have it in right but it's not showing up. My G5 is VERY picky about how the RAM is seated. In my experience, all computers that require matched sets are difficult. I've reseated and restarted my G5 perhaps 18-20 times before, moving the sticks in matched slots as required, but in different slots. As soon as the all were recognized, no problems whatsoever. You may want to consider pressing the CUDA reset, I don't think this is required. I had a real problem with my G5 after replacing the heat sink. Half the RAM was not reporting and weird things on the system were happening. Anyway I took out all eight sticks keeping track of the pairs. I spray cleaned all the slots and the ram and installed in pairs. Afterwards all the RAM showed up and the system was working right again. It had me worried that my logicboard was history. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G5 RAM in a Mac Pro
Will RAM from a G5 work in a Mac Pro? I guess it's slower? thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 2G pc3200 ram for G5 Xserve?
On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:54 PM, SyncroBeast wrote: Picked up an ebay G5 Xserve capable of handling 2Gbyte pc3200 RAM (DDR400), but can't find anyone listing the 2Gbyte RAM DIMMs specifically for the G5 Xserve. I do see server memory that is 2Gbyte pc3200, but never listed for the G5 Xserve and sales typically don't know what to say beyond glad to sell you 4Gbyte as 1Gbyte x 4. DMS (my go-to vendor for RAM) says 1GB dimms are the limit (and they're normally spot-on with what a system can use): http://www.datamemorysystems.com/xserve_memory.asp I suspect it's a low-density/high-density RAM kinda thing. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
2G pc3200 ram for G5 Xserve?
Picked up an ebay G5 Xserve capable of handling 2Gbyte pc3200 RAM (DDR400), but can't find anyone listing the 2Gbyte RAM DIMMs specifically for the G5 Xserve. I do see server memory that is 2Gbyte pc3200, but never listed for the G5 Xserve and sales typically don't know what to say beyond glad to sell you 4Gbyte as 1Gbyte x 4. I'd really like to max out at 16 Gbyte some day are the 2Gbyte DIMMS really available/compatible with the G5 Xserve? or just a good idea that never came to pass? curious minds Ch -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Whatever happened to RAM disks?
And in general, I hate virtual memory. It slows systems down horribly. I know many with inadequate RAM depend on it. But RAM is cheap and time is precious. Too precious for slow hard drive VM read writes. If you want to see your Mac behave like a Winblows machine turn the VM setting up. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Whatever happened to RAM disks?
ithink we have a misunderstanding here. I increase my RAM to it's max, but i use flash disks to store info instead of using ram disks to store programs. -- It's anyway, anyhow, anywhere you choose it. -Me Sent from my Power Mac G4 Sawtooth -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Whatever happened to RAM disks?
i completely understand what you said. I was referring to virtual RAM. i was wondering if there is a way to completely turn off virtual memory to increase system performance on a mac. RAM on the other hand, most of my computers have it to their limits. -- It's anyway, anyhow, anywhere you choose it. -Me Sent from my Power Mac G4 Sawtooth -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Whatever happened to RAM disks?
At 3:55 AM -0400 8/7/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: i completely understand what you said. I was referring to virtual RAM. i was wondering if there is a way to completely turn off virtual memory to increase system performance on a mac. RAM on the other hand, most of my computers have it to their limits. Yes, you can turn off virtual memory - it's Unix afterall. But if you do that then your RAM usage will bloat like crazy and performance will take a nose dive -- no more shared libraries, memory protections, etc. VM in OS X is VERY efficient, and actually quite passive. It does not start paging to disk until you run out of memory! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Whatever happened to RAM disks?
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.comwrote: ithink we have a misunderstanding here. I increase my RAM to it's max, but i use flash disks to store info instead of using ram disks to store programs. ___ Ram disks are not for storing programs . they disappear on shutdown unless set up for reboot. RAM disks are used to OPERATE programs to the extent that it cuts mechanical ( and thus slow and TIME consuming) out of application OPERATION. *Unless* you are booted from a *solid state drive* this has the result of making your work proceed faster. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Whatever happened to RAM disks?
Ram disks are not for storing programs . they disappear on shutdown unless set up for reboot. A lot of people use RAM drives to store executables, in fact. Yes, they disappear on shutdown unless set up for reboot. So set them up for reboot. Adding a few seconds to a reboot that I might do once every couple of weeks seems like a fair trade for faster access and execution of frequently run applications during that time. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Whatever happened to RAM disks?
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Kevin Barth godai@gmail.com wrote: Ram disks are not for storing programs . they disappear on shutdown unless set up for reboot. A lot of people use RAM drives to store executables, in fact. Yes, they disappear on shutdown unless set up for reboot. So set them up for reboot. Adding a few seconds to a reboot that I might do once every couple of weeks seems like a fair trade for faster access and execution of frequently run applications during that time. The testimony of a satisfied user ! :) -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://remnantsofthestorm.blogspot.com http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Whatever happened to RAM disks?
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:39 AM, admin oneluc...@mac.com wrote: Anyone still work with them? For what uses? How? Thanks. They are very much around and useful for those who know how. Do you have enough RAM ? MAX it ! Want to speed up your Photoshop or other application ? Make a RAM disk according to the OS help instructions online or from your drive. Copy the application and any source files to the RAM disk. The system treats it like a physical drive. Do your chore. Copy out the work to a physical medium often. In case the system fails. Because Application calls to itself in RAM disk are faster than calls to mechanical hardware things work faster and smoother. you can set it up so it appears on boot and also have the apps there too. Want to browse the web but empty the cache files for good on shut down? Put whatever browser caches or any other unwanted files into RAM disk. When you shut down they are gone with anything else in RAM. No traces. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 1.8 PPC memory RAM Question???
I'm late..thank you all...I was traveling with a pretty bad internet service ... the last answer about this ECC is enough for me. Thank you again On Jul 5, 2010 3:21pm, Miguel Garcia Gell maggel...@gmail.com wrote: I have 2 IBM modules of 1 GB DDR 400 CL3 ECC (PC3200R-HYS72D128300HBR-5-C). Can this module work in a G5 1.8 Single CPU? thank you for any help -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G5 1.8 PPC memory RAM Question???
*I have 2 IBM modules of 1 GB DDR 400 **CL3 **ECC (PC3200R-HYS72D128300HBR-5-C). Can this module work in a G5 1.8 Single CPU? thank you for any help* -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 1.8 PPC memory RAM Question???
Of course! Try it out, since the 2 machines are similar. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 1.8 PPC memory RAM Question???
On Jul 5, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Miguel Garcia Gell wrote: I have 2 IBM modules of 1 GB DDR 400 CL3 ECC (PC3200R-HYS72D128300HBR-5-C). Can this module work in a G5 1.8 Single CPU? thank you for any help It works in my machines PM G4s and PM G5. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 1.8 PPC memory RAM Question???
*I just try...minutes ago, (unplug the power and push the power for kill the static) pull it out the 4 modules of 256 and try with the 2x1 GB. The machine make 2 or 3 beeps with hard spinning fans... but that's it* On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.comwrote: Of course! Try it out, since the 2 machines are similar. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 1.8 PPC memory RAM Question???
On Jul 5, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Miguel Garcia Gell wrote: I just try...minutes ago, (unplug the power and push the power for kill the static) pull it out the 4 modules of 256 and try with the 2x1 GB. The machine make 2 or 3 beeps with hard spinning fans... but that's it On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: Of course! Try it out, since the 2 machines are similar. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. Which slot numbers did you put them in? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 1.8 PPC memory RAM Question???
At 3:21 PM -0400 7/5/2010, Miguel Garcia Gell wrote: I have 2 IBM modules of 1 GB DDR 400 CL3 ECC (PC3200R-HYS72D128300HBR-5-C). Can this module work in a G5 1.8 Single CPU? thank you for any help Then at 3:43 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: Of course! Try it out, since the 2 machines are similar. huh? The Power Mac G5 supports ECC memory? Crucial says NO. http://www.crucial.com/upgrade/compatible-memory-for/Apple/Power+Mac+G5+(Dual+1.8GHz+DDR,+8+DIMM+sockets)/list.html - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 1.8 PPC memory RAM Question???
You stated earlier that the memory you have from your IBM is ECC. The PowerMac doesn't support ECC memory. You need plain-jane, generic unbuffered memory. The same stuff that 99% of all PeeCee's run on. On Jul 5, 2010, at 6:17 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jul 5, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Miguel Garcia Gell wrote: I just try...minutes ago, (unplug the power and push the power for kill the static) pull it out the 4 modules of 256 and try with the 2x1 GB. The machine make 2 or 3 beeps with hard spinning fans... but that's it On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: Of course! Try it out, since the 2 machines are similar. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. Which slot numbers did you put them in? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
I am trying to use a 1 GB PC3200 DDR 400 module in my MDD, installed by itself, but it keeps telling me I need to restart the machine. I see several of you have installed 1 GB modules -- I would appreciate any suggestions! Dave Bjur d...@bjurconsulting.com (208) 305-1514 On Jun 2, 12:48 pm, Jason Brown jason_brown1...@att.net wrote: It will recognize 2 of the 1 gig modules for 2 gig... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Dave wrote: I am trying to use a 1 GB PC3200 DDR 400 module in my MDD, installed by itself, but it keeps telling me I need to restart the machine. I see several of you have installed 1 GB modules -- I would appreciate any suggestions! Reset CUDA switch make sure the boot drive is in the front bay on the end of the cable. Clean the RAM and slots with contact cleaner non residue type. That's how I got my MDD working the day I got it from a gut that was going to waste can it. It's now my goto burner with 2 opticals and 4 HDDs with 2 1 GB sticks. and a Seritek card. USB 2.0. and eSATA JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
Thanks, John. Pardon my ignorance: 1. What and where is the CUDA switch? I see a PMU reset switch -- is that it? 2. Is the front bay the one under the optical drive? 3. Also, does it matter which RAM slot? Thanks, Again, Dave Bjur d...@bjurconsulting.com (208) 305-1514 On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:00 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Dave wrote: I am trying to use a 1 GB PC3200 DDR 400 module in my MDD, installed by itself, but it keeps telling me I need to restart the machine. I see several of you have installed 1 GB modules -- I would appreciate any suggestions! Reset CUDA switch make sure the boot drive is in the front bay on the end of the cable. Clean the RAM and slots with contact cleaner non residue type. That's how I got my MDD working the day I got it from a gut that was going to waste can it. It's now my goto burner with 2 opticals and 4 HDDs with 2 1 GB sticks. and a Seritek card. USB 2.0. and eSATA JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dave Bjur wrote: Thanks, John. Pardon my ignorance: 1. What and where is the CUDA switch? I see a PMU reset switch -- is that it? 2. Is the front bay the one under the optical drive? 3. Also, does it matter which RAM slot? Thanks, Again, Dave Bjur d...@bjurconsulting.com (208) 305-1514 On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:00 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Dave wrote: I am trying to use a 1 GB PC3200 DDR 400 module in my MDD, installed by itself, but it keeps telling me I need to restart the machine. I see several of you have installed 1 GB modules -- I would appreciate any suggestions! Reset CUDA switch make sure the boot drive is in the front bay on the end of the cable. Clean the RAM and slots with contact cleaner non residue type. That's how I got my MDD working the day I got it from a gut that was going to waste can it. It's now my goto burner with 2 opticals and 4 HDDs with 2 1 GB sticks. and a Seritek card. USB 2.0. and eSATA JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 Look close to the battery or Google if you don't see it. It's a tiny grey button it a bright square box. The best way is to remove every thing you can including the battey and power cord before reconnection. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA carmo...@aol,com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:26 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dave Bjur wrote: Thanks, John. Pardon my ignorance: 1. What and where is the CUDA switch? I see a PMU reset switch -- is that it? Look close to the battery or Google if you don't see it. It's a tiny grey button it a bright square box. The best way is to remove every thing you can including the battey and power cord before reconnection. 2. Is the front bay the one under the optical drive? Maybe I'm not sure which machine you have can you restate? I'm where I can't go back in the thread 3. Also, does it matter which RAM slot? Closest to the processor Thanks, Again, Dave Bjur d...@bjurconsulting.com (208) 305-1514 E Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:36 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:26 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dave Bjur wrote: Thanks, John. Pardon my ignorance: 1. What and where is the CUDA switch? I see a PMU reset switch -- is that it? Look close to the battery or Google if you don't see it. It's a tiny grey button it a bright square box. The best way is to remove every thing you can including the battey and power cord before reconnection. 2. Is the front bay the one under the optical drive? The front bay is the foward one on the right when looking at the open machine. The cable has two connectors the one you want is on the end on the 100 BUS. I'm speaking of a MDD Dual 1.0 or 1.25. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA carmo...@aol,com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
Thanks, John, That button on my unit is labeled PMU Reset, and that did the trick! I now have a total of 2 GB: 1x1GB, 1x512MB (these recycled from the dead iMac), 2x256MB (these came with the MDD), all working wonderfully. I'm truly thankful. -- Dave On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:40 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: Look close to the battery or Google if you don't see it. It's a tiny grey button it a bright square box. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
10.5 install issues. PM G4 Quicksilver 933mhz w/1.25 GB RAM
I found my 10.5 install disk and I am trying to install it on my Quicksilver and running into problems. The disk starts up just fine from the desktop in 10.4, but it seems that if I try too boot from the DVD it either pops open the DVD tray and just boots from the HDD or it sits at the white screen with the grey apple logo. Is there anyway I can do to get some info to display as to whether it is just taking a long time to boot from the DVD or whether it is just 'stuck.' With just the grey apple screen at the moment I can't even be sure it is reading the DVD and doing anything. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.5 install issues. PM G4 Quicksilver 933mhz w/1.25 GB RAM
On Jun 9, 2010, at 3:44 AM, Scotty wrote: I found my 10.5 install disk and I am trying to install it on my Quicksilver and running into problems. The disk starts up just fine from the desktop in 10.4, but it seems that if I try too boot from the DVD it either pops open the DVD tray and just boots from the HDD or it sits at the white screen with the grey apple logo. Is there anyway I can do to get some info to display as to whether it is just taking a long time to boot from the DVD or whether it is just 'stuck.' With just the grey apple screen at the moment I can't even be sure it is reading the DVD and doing anything. If it starts from start up disk un system prefs then it should start in c key with power button. Sometimes they take time to read from c key. Do you have a universal install disc? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.5 install issues. PM G4 Quicksilver 933mhz w/1.25 GB RAM
Yeah it is a universal install disk. When I try and get it to boot with the C key I get the white screen with the grey Apple logo, but it does not seem to be doing anything. Is there some way to bring up a verbose mode that would tell me if the computer is doing anything? Furthermore if for some reason it won't boot using the internal DVD drive can I boot from an external USB DVD drive to do the install? On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:13 AM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2010, at 3:44 AM, Scotty wrote: I found my 10.5 install disk and I am trying to install it on my Quicksilver and running into problems. The disk starts up just fine from the desktop in 10.4, but it seems that if I try too boot from the DVD it either pops open the DVD tray and just boots from the HDD or it sits at the white screen with the grey apple logo. Is there anyway I can do to get some info to display as to whether it is just taking a long time to boot from the DVD or whether it is just 'stuck.' With just the grey apple screen at the moment I can't even be sure it is reading the DVD and doing anything. If it starts from start up disk un system prefs then it should start in c key with power button. Sometimes they take time to read from c key. Do you have a universal install disc? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.5 install issues. PM G4 Quicksilver 933mhz w/1.25 GB RAM
On Jun 9, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Daniel Stewart wrote: Yeah it is a universal install disk. When I try and get it to boot with the C key I get the white screen with the grey Apple logo, but it does not seem to be doing anything. Is there some way to bring up a verbose mode that would tell me if the computer is doing anything? Do this boot up normally and enter, in terminal: sudo nvram boot-args=-v And it will always start in verbose mode. I have all my macs set this way, but it's mainly an auld-skool Unix thing with me, it's reassuring to see what's ACTUALLY going on :-) To turn it back, do: sudo nvram boot-args= Furthermore if for some reason it won't boot using the internal DVD drive can I boot from an external USB DVD drive to do the install? Check to make sure your DVD drive isn't dirty, use a DVD cleaner disk (readily available everywhere from Odd Lots to electronics stores) and try again. If you hold down the Option key at boot time you'll be presented with a list of bootable devices.If you Mac will boot from the USB drive, it will show up there. Use the arrow keys to select it and enter to boot. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:47 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All I'm wondering if I install in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25, two 1 GB PC3200 DDR 184 pin sticks and two 512 will the machine report 3 GB? Yes it will. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
Sorry - I have these machines and never saw anyone say they had it recognize more than the 2GB. Any discussions or spec referencing the RAM says that 512MB per slot is max. If anyone has an about this Mac image showing more than 2GB/ 512 per slot, I'd love to see it. With all the G4 MDDs out there, if this were possible, I'd think it would be out there. (And the RAM sellers would be loading it for sale, not repeating 2GB max) On Jun 2, 11:51 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:47 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All I'm wondering if I install in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25, two 1 GB PC3200 DDR 184 pin sticks and two 512 will the machine report 3 GB? Yes it will. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
I think the ram limit is artificial by firmware. I am not sure on this though. My MDD will recognize 2 1 gig modules for 2 gig, but it ignores anything after that like it doesnt exist. On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:18 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: Sorry - I have these machines and never saw anyone say they had it recognize more than the 2GB. Any discussions or spec referencing the RAM says that 512MB per slot is max. If anyone has an about this Mac image showing more than 2GB/ 512 per slot, I'd love to see it. With all the G4 MDDs out there, if this were possible, I'd think it would be out there. (And the RAM sellers would be loading it for sale, not repeating 2GB max) On Jun 2, 11:51 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:47 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All I'm wondering if I install in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25, two 1 GB PC3200 DDR 184 pin sticks and two 512 will the machine report 3 GB? Yes it will. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
WEre you able to do this? What was the outcome? On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:47 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All I'm wondering if I install in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25, two 1 GB PC3200 DDR 184 pin sticks and two 512 will the machine report 3 GB? Yes it will. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Ricardo Sevilla wrote: WEre you able to do this? What was the outcome? On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:47 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All I'm wondering if I install in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25, two 1 GB PC3200 DDR 184 pin sticks and two 512 will the machine report 3 GB? Yes it will. Well now I'm doubting my own memory. I could have SWORN I'd done this on a MDD here. Sadly that system is long gone and I can't check anymore. This was the last model MDD, the one Apple put out after the G5 debut, the one that let people boot into OS 9 again. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On 02 Jun 2010, at 2:07 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:47 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: I'm wondering if I install in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25, two 1 GB PC3200 DDR 184 pin sticks and two 512 will the machine report 3 GB? Yes it will. Well now I'm doubting my own memory. I could have SWORN I'd done this on a MDD here. Sadly that system is long gone and I can't check anymore. This was the last model MDD, the one Apple put out after the G5 debut, the one that let people boot into OS 9 again. I have one of these MDD models (G4 MDD single 1.25 Ghz) and it will only go up to 2 GB RAM. Richard -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
Even this is different and I suppose an improvement from what i understand. My MDDs all show 512MB in each dimm slot. Haven't tried 1GB, never heard it works. On Jun 2, 12:33 pm, Jason Brown jason_brown1...@att.net wrote: I think the ram limit is artificial by firmware. I am not sure on this though. My MDD will recognize 2 1 gig modules for 2 gig, but it ignores anything after that like it doesnt exist. On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:18 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: Sorry - I have these machines and never saw anyone say they had it recognize more than the 2GB. Any discussions or spec referencing the RAM says that 512MB per slot is max. If anyone has an about this Mac image showing more than 2GB/ 512 per slot, I'd love to see it. With all the G4 MDDs out there, if this were possible, I'd think it would be out there. (And the RAM sellers would be loading it for sale, not repeating 2GB max) On Jun 2, 11:51 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:47 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All I'm wondering if I install in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25, two 1 GB PC3200 DDR 184 pin sticks and two 512 will the machine report 3 GB? Yes it will. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Ricardo Sevilla wrote: WEre you able to do this? What was the outcome? On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:47 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All I'm wondering if I install in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25, two 1 GB PC3200 DDR 184 pin sticks and two 512 will the machine report 3 GB? Yes it will. The RAM is on the way as soon as I get it I'll take a shot at it, otherwise it'll fit my PM G5. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
It will recognize 2 of the 1 gig modules for 2 gig, once it hits its max, it stops. There has to be a hack we can do somehow some way to make it recognize the ram, its apparently a soft limit. On Jun 2, 2010, at 2:41 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Ricardo Sevilla wrote: WEre you able to do this? What was the outcome? On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:47 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All I'm wondering if I install in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25, two 1 GB PC3200 DDR 184 pin sticks and two 512 will the machine report 3 GB? Yes it will. The RAM is on the way as soon as I get it I'll take a shot at it, otherwise it'll fit my PM G5. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
I have 2 1GB sticks running fine in my MDD 1.42. I haven't tried adding anything beyond that, particularly because two of my RAM slots cause an OF error. (Which is why I have the 2 1GB sticks in the first place and not 4 512MB sticks.) On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:40 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: Even this is different and I suppose an improvement from what i understand. My MDDs all show 512MB in each dimm slot. Haven't tried 1GB, never heard it works. On Jun 2, 12:33 pm, Jason Brown jason_brown1...@att.net wrote: I think the ram limit is artificial by firmware. I am not sure on this though. My MDD will recognize 2 1 gig modules for 2 gig, but it ignores anything after that like it doesnt exist. On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:18 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: Sorry - I have these machines and never saw anyone say they had it recognize more than the 2GB. Any discussions or spec referencing the RAM says that 512MB per slot is max. If anyone has an about this Mac image showing more than 2GB/ 512 per slot, I'd love to see it. With all the G4 MDDs out there, if this were possible, I'd think it would be out there. (And the RAM sellers would be loading it for sale, not repeating 2GB max) On Jun 2, 11:51 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:47 AM, john CARMONNE wrote: Hi All I'm wondering if I install in my G4 MDD Dual 1.25, two 1 GB PC3200 DDR 184 pin sticks and two 512 will the machine report 3 GB? Yes it will. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
This was also done because I hacked the open firmware. I am sorry, but I don't remember how the trick went. I first reset the open firmware by starting up and pressing and holding Command+Option+P+R. Then, I restarted into open firmware, and I typed in some kind of command to remove the limit for RAM and some other stuff. It took me hours to figure out, and unfortunately I forgot to save this command in textedit. It might be somewhere on google... =( -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
Try looking on google. You most likely will find how to type in the command on open firmware, but BEWARE. I had to re-install Leopard 4 times before my system could settle with this 4GB setting. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
My PM G4 Sawtooth did recognize 4GB. It's just that Leopard and the OF weren't too happy with it for a while. Kps were a bit more common than I thought they would be. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On Jun 2, 2010, at 2:41 PM, John Carmonne wrote: The RAM is on the way as soon as I get it I'll take a shot at it, otherwise it'll fit my PM G5. Mark said there was some type of open firmware hack to get more RAM recognized. I looked hard and couldn't find one for the MDD specifically, but this article has some good information about why some large modules aren't recognized in some laptops, and how to use open firmware to correct this problem. It looks like this could lead you in the correct direction if it's possible to use 4GB in the MDD: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20080226020954481 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Ram/warranty question
Apple warranties do run out of your Applecare tuns out. If you need a lifetime RAM warranty, go to www.otherworldcomputing.com and buy your RAM there. Thy will replace it when it breaks, and they can automatically replace it if it came broken when shipped. Even if it's 2080, or 2977, or even a million years in the future, you will get it replaced. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Apple Ram/warranty question
when I buy ram from most other venders, I get a lifetime warranty what about that Apple ram that I buy with my new apple, let me guess Applecare runs out, so does my warranty? Jeff Jeff Engle Kamiah Idaho 83536 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Ram/warranty question
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: when I buy ram from most other venders, I get a lifetime warranty what about that Apple ram that I buy with my new apple, let me guess Applecare runs out, so does my warranty? That's what I've always assumed. When I swapped out the original 2x1GB RAM modules in my 2008 MB to replace them with 2x2GB ones, the RAM which came with the MacBook seemed pretty much generic RAM to me. But I'll be watching to see what other replies you get to your question. FWIW, if you have no problem with your RAM during the 3 year AppleCare period, then I wouldn't expect it to fail during the useful lifetime of your Mac. I don't believe RAM wears out from use. Or at least not in any way that matters to a typical user. A lifetime warranty is a nice selling point, but, of course, I figure it also depends on who is offering the warranty. That's really the primary reason why I now tend to buy only RAM that comes from a company which I have more confidence will continue to be around to honor the warranty during that lifetime of use. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ram Disk on G4
At 7:24 AM -0500 3/9/2010, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Dual 500Mhz Mac G4 with 2 GB RAM and 2 internal HDs, running OS 10.4.11 In my OS 9 days, I always used a RAM Disk. Is there any advantage in setting up a RAM Disk on my current Mac? Depends on the point of the virtual disk. If you're trying to do a run-around of OS X's virtual memory management, forget it. OS X's VM is very efficient. (The classic Mac OS's VM overhead was about 4%. OS X's is about 1%. All bets are off, of course, if you're thrashing). If you're trying to speed up access to some fixed set of data, then that might be a good use of a ram disk, assuming that OS X's file system isn't pre-caching enough normally and that the data is mostly read-only (so no write-throughs to HD). If you're trying to provide an app with fast scratch space - that might be a good thing. But most apps prefer to let the memory manager handle things. HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On 2/15/10 9:28 AM, Kris Tilford at ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: That's great to know. I only have experience with the VIA Combo card that isn't backwards compatible to OS 9, and also isn't very good in OS X. I wouldn't recommend a VIA card VIA Cards are usable only if the Mac has a system equal or superior to 10.3. -- MaGioZal. http://facebook.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mismatched RAM in a G5
I currently have a dual 1.8GHz G5 that I'm in the repurposing. In the process, I removed 1GB (2x512) of DDR400 RAM leaving 1GB in place. I do have 2 extra 256MB sticks of RAM, but one is DDR 400 and the other DDR 333. If I drop the mismatched pair in the G5, will it automatically downclock the entire bus to 333, or will chaos ensue? Thanks, Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched RAM in a G5
On 2/20/2010 4:38 PM, Eric Volker wrote: I currently have a dual 1.8GHz G5 that I'm in the repurposing. In the process, I removed 1GB (2x512) of DDR400 RAM leaving 1GB in place. I do have 2 extra 256MB sticks of RAM, but one is DDR 400 and the other DDR 333. If I drop the mismatched pair in the G5, will it automatically downclock the entire bus to 333, or will chaos ensue? Thanks, Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Minimum ram support for that system is DDR400. I have not tried this with a G5, but based on past experience, if you install that DDR333 module in it, it will render the system either unusable or it will ignore both of the modules and boot up and show empty slots. Most often it wont even allow the system to boot or post thus rendering it unusable. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 15, 2010, at 4:38 AM, MaGioZal wrote: Well, I think it is not *exactly* that way...;-) The most important thing to remember is that non-VIA USB 2.0 PCI cards (like the NEC I am using here) will do work on Mac OS 9, because these cards are backward-compatible. Obviously there is no support for high-speed data transfers under OS 9, but the card and the ports will work normally as USB 1.1. And AFAIK, non-VIA FireWire-USB combo cards are compatible Mac OS 9, too. That's great to know. I only have experience with the VIA Combo card that isn't backwards compatible to OS 9, and also isn't very good in OS X. I wouldn't recommend a VIA card, but it kinda works ok if you have the additional software. I've heard the Adaptec combo card is good, but I've never used one. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:38 AM, MaGioZal wrote: On 2/9/10 7:38 PM, Kris Tilford at ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Also, in my mind there isn't really room for an ATA card in a Beige. With only three PCI slots, you need one for the Radeon video card, one for a USB card, and one for a Firewire card. If you boot OS 9, the USB card MUST be an OHCI USB 1.1 card, which means that for OS X you'll probably want a combo card with USB 2.0 Firewire 400 in one card. Well, I think it is not *exactly* that way...;-) The most important thing to remember is that non-VIA USB 2.0 PCI cards (like the NEC I am using here) will do work on Mac OS 9, because these cards are backward-compatible. Obviously there is no support for high-speed data transfers under OS 9, but the card and the ports will work normally as USB 1.1. And AFAIK, non-VIA FireWire-USB combo cards are compatible Mac OS 9, too. Yeah, I have a USB2 card here in my PowerMac thats all black and has an NEC chipset. Works fine in OS9 on the BW but not on the Molar Mac (beige G3) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Kasey Smith wrote: Yeah, I have a USB2 card here in my PowerMac thats all black and has an NEC chipset. Works fine in OS9 on the BW but not on the Molar Mac (beige G3). Yes, and I now remember WHY that is. The Beige Macs had an earlier implementation of the PCI bus, and when USB 2.0 came along everyone had moved onto a newer PCI bus standard. The BW was the 1st Mac to get the newer PCI bus, and this is why some cards work in the BW and newer Macs but fail in the Beige and earlier. There is no solution. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Kasey Smith wrote: Yeah, I have a USB2 card here in my PowerMac thats all black and has an NEC chipset. Works fine in OS9 on the BW but not on the Molar Mac (beige G3). Yes, and I now remember WHY that is. The Beige Macs had an earlier implementation of the PCI bus, and when USB 2.0 came along everyone had moved onto a newer PCI bus standard. The BW was the 1st Mac to get the newer PCI bus, and this is why some cards work in the BW and newer Macs but fail in the Beige and earlier. There is no solution. That would not explain it though as the card works fine in OSX on the beige mac ;) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RAM Upgrade for Quicksilver
On Feb 12, 8:38 pm, Albert Carter slvrmoontiger...@gmail.com wrote: Information on RAM: Crucial RAM: 512MB 168-PIN DIMM 64Mx64 SDRA (from my understanding 64Mx64 is Low Density). This is the information on the Crucial Sticker. Information on the tag with an M with a circle going through it (Micron?) says the follow: MT16LSDT6464AY013D2 200703 CNCFLJ001 COUNTRY OF ORIGIN SINGAPORE LEAD FREE PC133U-222-542-Z 512MB, SYNCH, 133MHz, CL2 All my other RAM says CL3. I was wondering if this computer can only use CL3 Memory. The problem might be mixing SYNCH or EEC RAM with non-synch/ non-eec sicks. My G4s always seem to like non-eec RAM better although I do have one Digital Audio with all 3 slots filled with 512 MB EEC sticks that work fine. You can mix CL2 with CL3, the RAM bus will just default to run all at the slowest setting. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RAM Upgrade for Quicksilver
On Feb 13, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Kasey Smith wrote: Yeah, the M is for Micron. They are actually based here in Idaho :D (i get excited because Idaho is never mentioned.. anywhere) I bought my car from Edmark in Nampa (suburb of Boise), and drove back to Kansas. I was really surprised to see that giant Micron plant outside Boise. As I remember, it's up on the high prairie with nothing but tumbleweed to keep it company. Seemed out-of-place. Definitely caught my attention as something I was not expecting to see in Idaho. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: low density RAM?
On Feb 11, 7:46 am, pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com wrote: I wondered about the long two line link before I posted it but I'm not too certain about the conventions for links in plain text mailings. I thought - and we all know what thought did - a long link which makes more than one line is ok if unhyphenated during the paste and then enclosed by . The is one of the documented conventions for enclosing links in text postings. I don't remember where it's documented, but someone pointed it out in teh last few weeks in one of the lists I read. There isn't much in the way of standards for web based fora, but the internet had standards for text posting long before the web came along. So, if your browser or email client follows proper convention, it won't break a link enclosed in . However, clearly the programmers for Google Groups don't know about standards because links shown on their web interface are always broken if they cover more than one line. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 9, 4:38 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Another way to get quicker HD response is using XPF to boot from a Firewire 400 external HD. This is cheap and gets rid of both the 1st 8 GB limit and the 128 GB limit, which only the ATA-133 card would also do, but normally at higher total cost and less usage flexibility. See, there you have piqued my interest. I also have a Beige G3 and I have an OrangeMicro combo USB/FW card that I haven't installed yet. The idea of cloning my existing 4GB system drive to a higher capacity drive and putting that in a FW enclosure is very attractive. Has anyone around here done this successfully? -carlos -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RAM Upgrade for Quicksilver
All, I have a Quicksilver it was originally a 733 Mhz one but when I bought it someone had upgraded it to 933Mhz. Its running 1.25 GB RAM. I recently got a deal on the lowendmac swap list for another 512 MB RAM. I inserted it into the 1st RAM Slot and removed the 256 MB Stick that was in it. When I restarted I get 3 beeps and no video. I'm like ok this is supposed to be good RAM. I then placed it in the 3rd Slot and the Macintosh booted as normal but didn't recognize the memory. I have looked around and people talk about CL (CAS Latency) and Low vs High Density Memory so I'm wondering if the RAM is good but just doesn't meet the specs. Information on RAM: Crucial RAM: 512MB 168-PIN DIMM 64Mx64 SDRA (from my understanding 64Mx64 is Low Density). This is the information on the Crucial Sticker. Information on the tag with an M with a circle going through it (Micron?) says the follow: MT16LSDT6464AY013D2 200703 CNCFLJ001 COUNTRY OF ORIGIN SINGAPORE LEAD FREE PC133U-222-542-Z 512MB, SYNCH, 133MHz, CL2 All my other RAM says CL3. I was wondering if this computer can only use CL3 Memory. If it can I wanted to find out if a true Quicksilver Dual 1.0Ghz can run CL2 Memory (if so I'll keep this as I just got one with processor and motherboard and plan on moving over to that. Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:11 PM, deadwinter wrote: See, there you have piqued my interest. I also have a Beige G3 and I have an OrangeMicro combo USB/FW card that I haven't installed yet. The idea of cloning my existing 4GB system drive to a higher capacity drive and putting that in a FW enclosure is very attractive. Has anyone around here done this successfully? Yes, I have. I used to boot from a 250GB Firewire HD with OS 10.4.11 on both my Beige w/450 G4 CPU, and an old 7600 w/450 G4 CPU. It works fine. Here's what you do: Clone the OS from the internal HD to the external using Carbon Copy Cloner, SuperDuper!, or any other clone utility. Then launch XPostFacto 4 on the internal HD and select the internal HD as the XPF helper and the external FW drive as the boot volume, and restart. Should boot. If you need assistance I can help off-list. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RAM Upgrade for Quicksilver
Yeah, the M is for Micron. They are actually based here in Idaho :D (i get excited because Idaho is never mentioned.. anywhere) On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Albert Carter wrote: All, I have a Quicksilver it was originally a 733 Mhz one but when I bought it someone had upgraded it to 933Mhz. Its running 1.25 GB RAM. I recently got a deal on the lowendmac swap list for another 512 MB RAM. I inserted it into the 1st RAM Slot and removed the 256 MB Stick that was in it. When I restarted I get 3 beeps and no video. I'm like ok this is supposed to be good RAM. I then placed it in the 3rd Slot and the Macintosh booted as normal but didn't recognize the memory. I have looked around and people talk about CL (CAS Latency) and Low vs High Density Memory so I'm wondering if the RAM is good but just doesn't meet the specs. Information on RAM: Crucial RAM: 512MB 168-PIN DIMM 64Mx64 SDRA (from my understanding 64Mx64 is Low Density). This is the information on the Crucial Sticker. Information on the tag with an M with a circle going through it (Micron?) says the follow: MT16LSDT6464AY013D2 200703 CNCFLJ001 COUNTRY OF ORIGIN SINGAPORE LEAD FREE PC133U-222-542-Z 512MB, SYNCH, 133MHz, CL2 All my other RAM says CL3. I was wondering if this computer can only use CL3 Memory. If it can I wanted to find out if a true Quicksilver Dual 1.0Ghz can run CL2 Memory (if so I'll keep this as I just got one with processor and motherboard and plan on moving over to that. Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: low density RAM?
On 10/2/10 21:30, Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks a lot! That link from Pete is precious; I can mention it to the company so they can check for themselves... (Note that it runs over two lines that should be connected before pasting into the browser.) Geke I wondered about the long two line link before I posted it but I'm not too certain about the conventions for links in plain text mailings. I thought - and we all know what thought did - a long link which makes more than one line is ok if unhyphenated during the paste and then enclosed by . When I received my posted message I tried the link and it worked fine - so is it just the hyphenation that breaks long links? I have tiny url in my tabs bar but tend not to use it if there is no hyphen at the line break Ebay links are notoriously long. There are also other reviews in the ebay review section which cover the low/high density ram problem - maybe a dozen or so Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: low density RAM?
Nope, its Dual Density. On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:37 AM, Geke wrote: The bottom line first: If a 512MB PC133 SDRAM RAM module for the G4 Digital Audio has chips on one side of the stick only, can it be low-density? Thanks in advance! Geke History of this case: My G4 DA had 3 RAM sticks: 128, 256, and 512MB. I wanted to increase the RAM and bought a 512MB stick. It didn’t work. Then I asked here what I had missed, and the conclusion was that I should have bought low-density RAM. (Searching the group for RAM digital will find that thread in 2nd position; for some reason I can’t add to it anymore.) Then I bought a low-density stick, and it’s working fine. I was happy! Then I thought: why not max out the RAM? So I bought another 512MB stick, this time from a different company -- the first offer was not available anymore. But this stick, even though it’s advertised as low- density, has chips only on one side, and it doesn’t work. (I tried it in all three slots.) Now I want to complain to the company that they have sent me a wrong stick, but first I want to be certain that it really can’t be a low-density one. There’s almost nothing printed on the chips, only two lines like this: 64x8SDRAM P 0810 and, vertically, something looking like a batch number that varies from chip to chip: 8XJY 889H 8XK2 8XL8 5YJB F7JB 8ZBQ 9348 For completeness, the description they give on ebay: 512MB 168PIN PC133 SDRAM LOW DENSITY 133MHZ 512 PC 133 Product Details: • 168-pin unbuffered DIMM • Density: LOW DENSITY • PC133 133FSB • 3.3 Volts • 6 Layer unbuffered • CAS Latency 3 • 4 Bank • Off-chip driver (OCD) impedance adjustment, and on die termination (ODT) Technical Information: Memory Size: 512MB SDRAM 168Pin Number: 1 x 512MB Memory Speed: 133Mhz More Information: 512MB x 1 Non ECC Non Registered UnBuffered 6 Layer Non Parity -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: low density RAM?
On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:37 AM, Geke wrote: The bottom line first: If a 512MB PC133 SDRAM RAM module for the G4 Digital Audio has chips on one side of the stick only, can it be low-density? Thanks in advance! Geke History of this case: My G4 DA had 3 RAM sticks: 128, 256, and 512MB. I wanted to increase the RAM and bought a 512MB stick. It didn’t work. Then I asked here what I had missed, and the conclusion was that I should have bought low-density RAM. (Searching the group for RAM digital will find that thread in 2nd position; for some reason I can’t add to it anymore.) Then I bought a low-density stick, and it’s working fine. I was happy! Then I thought: why not max out the RAM? So I bought another 512MB stick, this time from a different company -- the first offer was not available anymore. But this stick, even though it’s advertised as low- density, has chips only on one side, and it doesn’t work. (I tried it in all three slots.) Now I want to complain to the company that they have sent me a wrong stick, but first I want to be certain that it really can’t be a low-density one. There’s almost nothing printed on the chips, only two lines like this: 64x8SDRAM P 0810 and, vertically, something looking like a batch number that varies from chip to chip: 8XJY 889H 8XK2 8XL8 5YJB F7JB 8ZBQ 9348 For completeness, the description they give on ebay: 512MB 168PIN PC133 SDRAM LOW DENSITY 133MHZ 512 PC 133 Product Details: • 168-pin unbuffered DIMM • Density: LOW DENSITY • PC133 133FSB • 3.3 Volts • 6 Layer unbuffered • CAS Latency 3 • 4 Bank • Off-chip driver (OCD) impedance adjustment, and on die termination (ODT) Technical Information: Memory Size: 512MB SDRAM 168Pin Number: 1 x 512MB Memory Speed: 133Mhz More Information: 512MB x 1 Non ECC Non Registered UnBuffered 6 Layer Non Parity I've had the same problem from China sellers. They use a Dell to test the RAM. Just tell them you have an Apple and system profiler doesn't see the RAM and they will ask that you send it back and you will get a refund. Buy that RAM from OWC. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: low density RAM?
On 10/2/10 14:21, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: The bottom line first: If a 512MB PC133 SDRAM RAM module for the G4 Digital Audio has chips on one side of the stick only, can it be low-density? Thanks in advance! Geke I don't think sosee http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/Myth-Low-Density-vs-High-Density-memory-modules_W 0QQugidZ101236187 for a better explanation. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 9, 5:39 pm, Gorka L Martinez Mezo g...@gmx.net wrote: You could if there were such a thing. I've never heard of one. The internal FW connector (on this card and on some PowerMacs) was intended for FW drives, HDs whose interface was FW, not via an IDE convertor but directly. Such drives never materialized. Thanks for the answer! It makes a lot of sense, had no idea anybody ever talked about a FW HD. I could find no space (not to mention heat dissipation problems!) to fit a FW enclosure INSIDE a beige desktop! You wouldn't install an entire enclosure. You would purchase a separate Firewire-to-IDE bridge board and install that along with the hard drive. However, the bridge board might cost close to the same as an ATA-133 card would unless you shop carefully. Alternatively, if you found a very cheap FW enclosure, you might be able to just steal the bridge board out of that if it is on a separate PCB from the power supply. It's weird. I sometimes see entire enclosures for under $20. I never see just the bridge board, which is only one component of the enclosure, for that price. e.g.: http://www.span.com/product_info.php? products_id=8127source=gbaseuscurrency=USD http://www.getpartsonline.com/if8c-i.html The above are FW800 to 4 X PATA drives. There are cheaper bridges that support only one or two IDE drives and whose interface is limited to FW400. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 9, 3:38 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Also, in my mind there isn't really room for an ATA card in a Beige. With only three PCI slots, you need one for the Radeon video card, one for a USB card, and one for a Firewire card. If you boot OS 9, the USB card MUST be an OHCI USB 1.1 card, which means that for OS X you'll probably want a combo card with USB 2.0 Firewire 400 in one card. I suppose you could squeeze in an ATA card by using a Sonnet Tempo Trio card, but that's an expensive card and doesn't get you much over simply booting from Firewire to begin with. The SIIG FW/USB2/Giganet card was available for under $25 for a while. I think they're all gone now. That was a nice card for the Beige. The only thing that would have made it better would have been for the FW to be 800 instead of 400... Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On 09-02-2010 20:13, Gus, gusr...@comcast.net, wrote: What is the maximum ram you can put into the beige G3 Desktop? In my grandson's beige G3 DT/300 are mounted 3 256MB - PC66 3.3v, unbuffered, 8-byte, x64 non-parity 168-pin SDRAM (Low Profile) sticks. Works flawlessly! Jo Hissel -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: low density RAM?
Thanks a lot! That link from Pete is precious; I can mention it to the company so they can check for themselves... (Note that it runs over two lines that should be connected before pasting into the browser.) Geke -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RAM
On 08-02-2010 10:47, Stephen Conrad, khel...@gmail.com, wrote: Was looking through my collection of loose RAM Maybe some of you can help me ID one piece I cannot ID and can tell me what some others can be used in (ESP. G3-G5 machines) snip Well Stephen, determining your sticks is not such a big problem but a little bit of work. Suggesting you'll do this work yourself I'll give you the way I could always determine around 95% of the RAM-sticks I got on hands. Goto the following URL's and follow the instructions and selections very exactly!! And don't be afraid, it's a Dutch site but in English as well. http://www.chipmunk.nl/DRAM/DRAM.htm and http://www.chipmunk.nl/DRAM/ChipManufacturers.htm HTH, Jo Hissel -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: low density RAM?
On Feb 10, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Geke wrote: Thanks a lot! That link from Pete is precious; I can mention it to the company so they can check for themselves... (Note that it runs over two lines that should be connected before pasting into the browser.) Geke Yes it is. Here is a link that should work for all. http://tinyurl.com/6knk63 Thanks Pete =) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RAM
On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:38 PM, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: On 08-02-2010 10:47, Stephen Conrad, khel...@gmail.com, wrote: Was looking through my collection of loose RAM Maybe some of you can help me ID one piece I cannot ID and can tell me what some others can be used in (ESP. G3-G5 machines) snip Well Stephen, determining your sticks is not such a big problem but a little bit of work. Suggesting you'll do this work yourself I'll give you the way I could always determine around 95% of the RAM-sticks I got on hands. Goto the following URL's and follow the instructions and selections very exactly!! And don't be afraid, it's a Dutch site but in English as well. http://www.chipmunk.nl/DRAM/DRAM.htm and http://www.chipmunk.nl/DRAM/ChipManufacturers.htm HTH, Jo Hissel Thanks for that Jo. It'll keep me busy this weekend marking all my RAM sticks. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Beige Desktop Ram Question
I was considering upgrading my beige mac memory to its max and referenced Mactracker for the specifications. It says that the max memory is 192MB (apple) and 768mb (actual). I am not sure I understand what that means. What is the maximum ram you can put into the beige G3 Desktop? On a related note. It would seem that the PC-66 ram would have gone down in price considerably since I bought the computer new. Anyone got a good source for either PC-66 or PC-100 that would run in this Macintosh? Any other practical tips I should know before proceeding? Thank you, Gus. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Gus wrote: What is the maximum ram you can put into the beige G3 Desktop? 768 MB total is the max, three 256 MB sticks of low-density PC66, PC100, or PC133 SDRAM DIMM. Low-density means chips on both sides of the module, meaning 16 chips total, 8 on each side; rather than 8 or 4 chips on only one side, which is high-density. If you use high-density it will only be recognized as half the size (if it recognizes at all, some doesn't). I've never heard of anyone using high-density 512 MB sticks to max out a Beige, but I suppose it's possible? Get low- density if at all possible. Most sellers know about the difference, OWC is good about the distinction, but ANY low-density should work, it's just that most available now is high-density. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Gus wrote: I was considering upgrading my beige mac memory to its max and referenced Mactracker for the specifications. It says that the max memory is 192MB (apple) and 768mb (actual). I am not sure I understand what that means. What is the maximum ram you can put into the beige G3 Desktop? Many of Apple's older systems have official RAM specifications based on available RAM modules when the system was originally shipped. In the case of the Beige G3's the largest available DIMMS at the time of release were 64 Megs, hence 3 x 64 megs = 192. However, the circuitry can handle up to 256megs per slot, so eventually, when 256 meg DIMMS were available, the system was upgradeable to 768 MB. Most reputable RAM vendors (such as Data Memory Systems http://www.datamemorysystems.com will show you the maximum configurable RAM for your system. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
768 MB total is the max, three 256 MB sticks of low-density PC66, PC100, or PC133 SDRAM DIMM. The 233Mhz Beige G3 desktop I recently resurrected (by simply changing the PRAM battery!) has one 256, one 128 and one 32mb DIMMs since at least 2005 (when it was used for the last time). I have two others 256Mb DIMMs I plan to use as soon has I have time again to tinker with this old machine. BTW, I found it SLOW. It`s running Mac OS 9,1 and has one 40Mb IBM DeathStar HD built in 2001 replacing the original 4Mb unit supplied with the machine. Gorka from Spain -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 9, 1:13 pm, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: I was considering upgrading my beige mac memory to its max and referenced Mactracker for the specifications. Any other practical tips I should know before proceeding? There have been some reports (I don't know how reliable) of folks who couldn't get 256 MB DIMMs to work reliably in their Beige G3s even when they had the proper two bank (low density) modules. I found that if pin 122 of the ROM DIMM is tied to Ground, then the Beige will not support more than 512 MB of RAM total.There may be some ROM modules out there where pin 122 is tied to ground, causing RAM problems. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 9, 1:59 pm, Gorka L Martinez Mezo g...@gmx.net wrote: BTW, I found it SLOW. It`s running Mac OS 9,1 and has one 40Mb IBM DeathStar HD built in 2001 replacing the original 4Mb unit supplied with the machine. The built-in IDE on the Beige is only 16 MB/s. It just begs for an ATA-133 PCI card, although cable routing is a pain. When shipped the slow IDE was not a problem because the hard drives they shipped wtih were even slower (in terms of real world data-to- platters data rate). Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
It is a tad slow.. But what I am using it for it not that processor intensive, however it does require the memory to run properly. Seems it spends most of its time scrolling out to virtual, finally starts thrashing, and then requires a hard reset. :( So tiger with 192 mb doesn't get it done.. lol Gonna have to get a bit more memory in there for what I am doing. On Feb 9, 1:59 pm, Gorka L Martinez Mezo g...@gmx.net wrote: 768 MB total is the max, three 256 MB sticks of low-density PC66, PC100, or PC133 SDRAM DIMM. The 233Mhz Beige G3 desktop I recently resurrected (by simply changing the PRAM battery!) has one 256, one 128 and one 32mb DIMMs since at least 2005 (when it was used for the last time). I have two others 256Mb DIMMs I plan to use as soon has I have time again to tinker with this old machine. BTW, I found it SLOW. It`s running Mac OS 9,1 and has one 40Mb IBM DeathStar HD built in 2001 replacing the original 4Mb unit supplied with the machine. Gorka from Spain -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
Thanks for tips!! On Feb 9, 1:26 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Gus wrote: What is the maximum ram you can put into the beige G3 Desktop? 768 MB total is the max, three 256 MB sticks of low-density PC66, PC100, or PC133 SDRAM DIMM. Low-density means chips on both sides of the module, meaning 16 chips total, 8 on each side; rather than 8 or 4 chips on only one side, which is high-density. If you use high-density it will only be recognized as half the size (if it recognizes at all, some doesn't). I've never heard of anyone using high-density 512 MB sticks to max out a Beige, but I suppose it's possible? Get low- density if at all possible. Most sellers know about the difference, OWC is good about the distinction, but ANY low-density should work, it's just that most available now is high-density. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On 2/9/10 12:23 PM, t...@io.com wrote: On Feb 9, 1:59 pm, Gorka L Martinez Mezog...@gmx.net wrote: BTW, I found it SLOW. It`s running Mac OS 9,1 and has one 40Mb IBM DeathStar HD built in 2001 replacing the original 4Mb unit supplied with the machine. The built-in IDE on the Beige is only 16 MB/s. It just begs for an ATA-133 PCI card, although cable routing is a pain. When shipped the slow IDE was not a problem because the hard drives they shipped wtih were even slower (in terms of real world data-to- platters data rate). But consider the cost of a PCI IDE card. It'll likely be more cost effective to move up to a newer model that has a faster IDE bus built in. I just bought a MDD on e-bay for $100, that's not much more than an IDE card. That's if you can find an IDE card. I just did a real quick search and the only I found was a combo PATA/SATA (for $90). -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
Gus, When you're shopping for RAM for a Desktop Beige, make sure to buy low profile RAM, as the full size sticks will not allow the top portion of the casing to snap into place. I own one of these, too, and it's been a problem in the past. OWC has these for less than $16 (no affiliation, yada, yada, yada. . .). Just saying. . . Scott Birdwell DeFalco's Home Wine Beer Supplies Houston TX www.defalcos.com On Feb 9, 2:27 pm, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: It is a tad slow.. But what I am using it for it not that processor intensive, however it does require the memory to run properly. Seems it spends most of its time scrolling out to virtual, finally starts thrashing, and then requires a hard reset. :( So tiger with 192 mb doesn't get it done.. lol Gonna have to get a bit more memory in there for what I am doing. On Feb 9, 1:59 pm, Gorka L Martinez Mezo g...@gmx.net wrote: 768 MB total is the max, three 256 MB sticks of low-density PC66, PC100, or PC133 SDRAM DIMM. The 233Mhz Beige G3 desktop I recently resurrected (by simply changing the PRAM battery!) has one 256, one 128 and one 32mb DIMMs since at least 2005 (when it was used for the last time). I have two others 256Mb DIMMs I plan to use as soon has I have time again to tinker with this old machine. BTW, I found it SLOW. It`s running Mac OS 9,1 and has one 40Mb IBM DeathStar HD built in 2001 replacing the original 4Mb unit supplied with the machine. Gorka from Spain -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 9, 2010, at 2:23 PM, t...@io.com wrote: The built-in IDE on the Beige is only 16 MB/s. It just begs for an ATA-133 PCI card, although cable routing is a pain. An ATA-133 card is going to be limited to ATA-66 speed because of the bus limitations of the Beige. The only advantage of an ATA-133 card over some ATA-100 cards and all ATA-66 cards is the LBA48 support for HDs greater than 128 GB. Another way to get quicker HD response is using XPF to boot from a Firewire 400 external HD. This is cheap and gets rid of both the 1st 8 GB limit and the 128 GB limit, which only the ATA-133 card would also do, but normally at higher total cost and less usage flexibility. Also, in my mind there isn't really room for an ATA card in a Beige. With only three PCI slots, you need one for the Radeon video card, one for a USB card, and one for a Firewire card. If you boot OS 9, the USB card MUST be an OHCI USB 1.1 card, which means that for OS X you'll probably want a combo card with USB 2.0 Firewire 400 in one card. I suppose you could squeeze in an ATA card by using a Sonnet Tempo Trio card, but that's an expensive card and doesn't get you much over simply booting from Firewire to begin with. On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Clark Martin wrote: But consider the cost of a PCI IDE card. It'll likely be more cost effective to move up to a newer model that has a faster IDE bus built in. I just bought a MDD on e-bay for $100, that's not much more than an IDE card. I totally agree. Upgrading these old Beige Macs is generally not cost effective. The sweet spot has moved to newer Macs, with the MDD sitting near ground zero for this moment in time. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Da'Birdman wrote: Gus, When you're shopping for RAM for a Desktop Beige, make sure to buy low profile RAM, as the full size sticks will not allow the top portion of the casing to snap into place. There is a semi easy fix for this. The fan shroud for the power supply is the problem. The fan is recessed, but for some reason the shroud protrudes. You can snip this off with tin snips and the case will close fine. Just watch your fingers after this surgery. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
It is a tad slow.. But what I am using it for it not that processor intensive, however it does require the memory to run properly. Seems it spends most of its time scrolling out to virtual, finally starts thrashing, and then requires a hard reset. :( I checked and saw the machine was configured with 769Mb of virtual memory on his own dedicated HD partition. No doubt when it was used with Photoshop 5 it did need a bit more of RAM! The owner had not much memories about how it was configured as the machine had been stored since July 2005 and only took from storage late last year for one hour of usage before the PRAM battery failed and started to cause problems. This particular machine had 2Mb of VRAM and the motherboard has Rev.A written just under tghe the PCI slots (one has a 2xUSB 1.1 2xFW 400 PCI card) Gorka from Spain -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
Another way to get quicker HD response is using XPF to boot from a Firewire 400 external HD. This is cheap and gets rid of both the 1st 8 GB limit and the 128 GB limit, which only the ATA-133 card would also do, but normally at higher total cost and less usage flexibility. Now you mention it... the PCI USBFW card has one internal FW400 port. Can it be used with a INTERNAL FW HD enclosure?? Gorka from Spain -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On 2/9/10 2:23 PM, Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote: Another way to get quicker HD response is using XPF to boot from a Firewire 400 external HD. This is cheap and gets rid of both the 1st 8 GB limit and the 128 GB limit, which only the ATA-133 card would also do, but normally at higher total cost and less usage flexibility. Now you mention it... the PCI USBFW card has one internal FW400 port. Can it be used with a INTERNAL FW HD enclosure?? You could if there were such a thing. I've never heard of one. The internal FW connector (on this card and on some PowerMacs) was intended for FW drives, HDs whose interface was FW, not via an IDE convertor but directly. Such drives never materialized. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Beige Desktop Ram Question
-Original Message- From: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:g3-5-l...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gorka L Martinez Mezo Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:59 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question 768 MB total is the max, three 256 MB sticks of low-density PC66, PC100, or PC133 SDRAM DIMM. The 233Mhz Beige G3 desktop I recently resurrected (by simply changing the PRAM battery!) has one 256, one 128 and one 32mb DIMMs since at least 2005 (when it was used for the last time). I have two others 256Mb DIMMs I plan to use as soon has I have time again to tinker with this old machine. BTW, I found it SLOW. It`s running Mac OS 9,1 and has one 40Mb IBM DeathStar HD built in 2001 replacing the original 4Mb unit supplied with the machine. I think you mean 4GB and 40GB. My G3 here also has a 40GB in it :D -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
I think you mean 4GB and 40GB. My G3 here also has a 40GB in it :D Yup! I was on RAM size mode while writing :-) Gorka from Spain -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
You could if there were such a thing. I've never heard of one. The internal FW connector (on this card and on some PowerMacs) was intended for FW drives, HDs whose interface was FW, not via an IDE convertor but directly. Such drives never materialized. Thanks for the answer! It makes a lot of sense, had no idea anybody ever talked about a FW HD. I could find no space (not to mention heat dissipation problems!) to fit a FW enclosure INSIDE a beige desktop! Gorka from Spain. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question
On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote: You could if there were such a thing. I've never heard of one. The internal FW connector (on this card and on some PowerMacs) was intended for FW drives, HDs whose interface was FW, not via an IDE convertor but directly. Such drives never materialized. Thanks for the answer! It makes a lot of sense, had no idea anybody ever talked about a FW HD. I could find no space (not to mention heat dissipation problems!) to fit a FW enclosure INSIDE a beige desktop! I used the one on mine to thread out a FW cable to connect to my video camera; I'd removed the dead Zip drive from mine so the cable came right out through the slot in the front. Much handier than reaching around the back. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RAM
On 08-02-2010 10:47, Stephen Conrad, khel...@gmail.com, wrote: Was looking through my collection of loose RAM Maybe some of you can help me ID one piece I cannot ID and can tell me what some others can be used in (ESP. G3-G5 machines) snip Well Stephen, determining your sticks is not such a big problem but a little bit of work. Suggesting you'll do this work yourself I'll give you the way I could always determine around 95% of the RAM-sticks I got on hands. Goto the following URL's and follow the instructions and selections very exactly!! And don't be afraid, it's a Dutch site but in English as well. http://www.chipmunk.nl/DRAM/DRAM.htm and http://www.chipmunk.nl/DRAM/ChipManufacturers.htm HTH, Jo Hissel -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD bad RAM 3 beeps: I'm feeling even dumber than usual
Update: Started to test parts, using the good machine as a test mule. First, tested the RAM sticks from the two bad MDDs (faster 2700 RAM from the 1.25 GB, slower whatever from the bad 867) in the good 867. All tested good. Then, tested the now-known-good RAM in the slots of the bad 867 (with the known-good 1.25 GB CPU in it). Tested all combinations of RAM slots: 14, 23, 13, 24, 12, 34, 1 only, 2 only, 3 only, and 4 only. All came up bad, interrupted chime and 3 beeps. Tested the now-known-good 2700 RAM in the slots of the 1.25 GB machine. Cut-off chime but no 3 beeps, power light stayed on and fan stayed running but no display, hard drive might have been spinning but it was hard to tell over the fan vibration (this was with the case open for observation purposes). Swapped in a known-good hard drive loaded with Tiger from a Smurf. Same, except the power light immediately winked off and stayed off. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD bad RAM 3 beeps: I'm feeling even dumber than usual
First, Bill, thank you for reply at all. I see you're the only one with the courage to wade into this mess. To clarify where things stand now: •One 867 works perfectly. •The 1.25 used to boot and run, except it didn't recognize its DVD drive. Now it gives the 3 beeps. •The other 867 used to give the 3 beeps. Now it does nothing but run its fan. No chime, no beeps, no power-on light. After about 10 seconds, the fan switches to Tornado mode and stays there. Your suggestion about using the good machine as a test bed for parts seems like a very smart one. Thanks. On Jan 24, 10:33 pm, Bill Christensen billc_li...@greenbuilder.com wrote: At 1:19 PM -0800 1/24/10, tonycd wrote: I loaded all the 512s from the two 867 machines into one of them, chosen pretty much at random, since I needed one machine more urgently than two. Eventually, after some stumbling around, this turned out to be a sweet-running (if somewhat noisy) Mac that's now being enjoyed by my son. Ok, let me get this straight: Of the three machines, the 1.25 was working other than the DVD drive, plus you got one 867 working for your son. The third one is comatose? Or is the 1.25 also not booting? Or you somehow managed to fubar both 867s? In short, what works? The other two, though, are another matter. Eventually, I punted and started swapping around both RAM cards and CPUs. I had two old and small RAM cards, four newer 2700-speed 512 RAM cards, one older/slower CPU card, and one newer/faster CPU card. In the course of ineptly testing the slower machine, I ran it for about 30 seconds without the heat sink on the 867 card. Bye-bye 867 card. (Yes, I know. Dumb.) Now I have the faster CPU, both chassis, both machines' hard drives with Tiger on them after the previous owner wiped them and reinstalled the OS, a CD drive, a DVD drive of unknown condition, and the aforementioned proven-good RAM cards. Current state: Both machines, when fitted with the remaining CPU and either hard drive, give the interrupted chime and 3 beeps that is supposed to mean all the RAM is bad. I did the pencil eraser and shove 'em in real good drill. Makes no difference whatsover. I'm just about the point of recycling the whole mess. I'll be happy to provide recycling service for you. I won't even charge you for shipping ;-) What I'd do is to take the RAM out of your son's working 867 and, one at a time, put the bad RAM in and see if it boots. If they're all testing good there, then you can start putting them in the non-working 867 (one at a time) to see if you can get it to boot. Don't forget to hit the CUDA switch. Or whatever it's called these days. If they all work in your son's 867 and not in the other, there's a possibility that you have a problem with the RAM slots. You might also try swapping the bad 867 processor into the working machine to see if you *really did* cook it. It seems to me that it could have survived 30 seconds without smoking, but then again I wasn't there - use your own judgement on whether it's worth testing. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD bad RAM 3 beeps: I'm feeling even dumber than usual
At 1:19 PM -0800 1/24/10, tonycd wrote: I loaded all the 512s from the two 867 machines into one of them, chosen pretty much at random, since I needed one machine more urgently than two. Eventually, after some stumbling around, this turned out to be a sweet-running (if somewhat noisy) Mac that's now being enjoyed by my son. Ok, let me get this straight: Of the three machines, the 1.25 was working other than the DVD drive, plus you got one 867 working for your son. The third one is comatose? Or is the 1.25 also not booting? Or you somehow managed to fubar both 867s? In short, what works? The other two, though, are another matter. Eventually, I punted and started swapping around both RAM cards and CPUs. I had two old and small RAM cards, four newer 2700-speed 512 RAM cards, one older/slower CPU card, and one newer/faster CPU card. In the course of ineptly testing the slower machine, I ran it for about 30 seconds without the heat sink on the 867 card. Bye-bye 867 card. (Yes, I know. Dumb.) Now I have the faster CPU, both chassis, both machines' hard drives with Tiger on them after the previous owner wiped them and reinstalled the OS, a CD drive, a DVD drive of unknown condition, and the aforementioned proven-good RAM cards. Current state: Both machines, when fitted with the remaining CPU and either hard drive, give the interrupted chime and 3 beeps that is supposed to mean all the RAM is bad. I did the pencil eraser and shove 'em in real good drill. Makes no difference whatsover. I'm just about the point of recycling the whole mess. I'll be happy to provide recycling service for you. I won't even charge you for shipping ;-) What I'd do is to take the RAM out of your son's working 867 and, one at a time, put the bad RAM in and see if it boots. If they're all testing good there, then you can start putting them in the non-working 867 (one at a time) to see if you can get it to boot. Don't forget to hit the CUDA switch. Or whatever it's called these days. If they all work in your son's 867 and not in the other, there's a possibility that you have a problem with the RAM slots. You might also try swapping the bad 867 processor into the working machine to see if you *really did* cook it. It seems to me that it could have survived 30 seconds without smoking, but then again I wasn't there - use your own judgement on whether it's worth testing. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Is pc3200 interchangable with pc2700 ram
I have a G4 iMac 20 1.25Ghz that the optical drive died on, while I am changing that out I would like to replace the memory as well. It currently has (in the not user friendly inner slot) a PC2700 DDR333 - 256MB (184 pin) stick in it. I have a about a half dozen PC3200 DDR400 - 1GB (184 pin) sticks from two G5's. Google results say it can be done (all converbut not specifically with a Mac). Thanks. The user friendly outer slot has a PC2700 SODIMM (200 pin) stick in it. mr bluellama...@embarqmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is pc3200 interchangable with pc2700 ram
On Dec 29, 2009, at 3:37 PM, mark ray wrote: I have a G4 iMac 20 1.25Ghz that the optical drive died on, while I am changing that out I would like to replace the memory as well. It currently has (in the not user friendly inner slot) a PC2700 DDR333 - 256MB (184 pin) stick in it. I have a about a half dozen PC3200 DDR400 - 1GB (184 pin) sticks from two G5's. Google results say it can be done (all converbut not specifically with a Mac). Thanks. The user friendly outer slot has a PC2700 SODIMM (200 pin) stick in it. If the stick actually fits, then faster ram can be substituted, generally speaking, for slower; all that happens is that the RAM does not run as fast as it's rated. Incompatible RAM types have different pin and slot layouts. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
