Re: Upgrade question
On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Martin N wrote: Lo, At 14:17 02/12/2011, you wrote: On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while the Panasonic dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS). But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me. I hope This will clear up the LCS models. The one with the copper tubing is the Panasonic. This was a fast fix for the many leakers that Apple had early on and AFAIK some of the very last Dual 2.7's had them stock. The other two are Delphi's notice the one with two pumps it's used in the Quad Core only. The single pump model is also a Delphi it was used up to and including the early 2005's as far as I know. The Delphi's can be successfully rebuilt I've done it and never had another leak, But nothings perfect. The problem is the heat sink cover plates and those lame O rings you need to be extra clean and use Form-A-Gasket with new O rings. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip Thanks for the effort uploading those pictures. :) P4170004=Delphi since i cannot see any copper? P4170001=Delphi since it is labelled as such Yes those are Delphi's new heat sink 3= it has a fair amount of copper - is it a Panasonic? new heat sink= Panasonic with copper and a label. Those are pics of the same Panasonic LCS. I have not had a look inside a G5 so its difficult to make head or tail of water cooling. Very easy, just open the hood (side cover) and slide the G5 cover toward the front of the machine and take a look at the LSC you can't miss it. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 14:17 02/12/2011, you wrote: On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while the Panasonic dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS). But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me. I hope This will clear up the LCS models. The one with the copper tubing is the Panasonic. This was a fast fix for the many leakers that Apple had early on and AFAIK some of the very last Dual 2.7's had them stock. The other two are Delphi's notice the one with two pumps it's used in the Quad Core only. The single pump model is also a Delphi it was used up to and including the early 2005's as far as I know. The Delphi's can be successfully rebuilt I've done it and never had another leak, But nothings perfect. The problem is the heat sink cover plates and those lame O rings you need to be extra clean and use Form-A-Gasket with new O rings. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip Thanks for the effort uploading those pictures. :) P4170004=Delphi since i cannot see any copper? P4170001=Delphi since it is labelled as such new heat sink 3= it has a fair amount of copper - is it a Panasonic? new heat sink= Panasonic with copper and a label. I have not had a look inside a G5 so its difficult to make head or tail of water cooling. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups @Martin N, Are you thinking of getting a G5 PowerMac because of the possibility that it will be able to run MorphOS in the future? I know that was one of the main reasons for me when looking to purchase my Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac, but I also wanted it to run Final Cut Pro Studio to do some video editing. It sits next to my old Amiga A4000 Power Tower w/ CyberStorm 233Mhz PPC NewTek Video Toaster/Flyer system inside and my A2000 w/GVP TekMagic 68060 accelerator and V-Lab Motion video editing system. Amiga's were the first great Video Editing computers. Too bad the management at Commodore didn't know how to market them and ran the company into the ground. It is likely to be a long wait before MorphOS3.x that contains support for the G5 PowerMacs. I am guessing at least 6 to 12 months and maybe as long as 18 to 24 months. If you wait until it is released, the prices of G5 PowerMac's will have continued to drop and you might be able to find one for only $150 to $250. They should make for great systems to run MorphOS on, as MorphOS2.7 already flies on my 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac and 1.5GHz MacMini. All we need now is more native MorphOS software, so I am teaching myself to program and will begin writing programs just for MorphOS in the near future. I also notice from your signature that you are running MorphOS2.6 on your MacMini. Why haven't you installed the free upgrade to 2.7? It is really great that all the upgrades from 2.0 to 2.7 and soon to 3.0 have been free to registered users. I have read that they are going to lower the price for MorphOS registration for all models except the G4 PowerBooks, but don't know when, or by how much. Regards, AmigaDave Running MorphOS2.7 registered on my 1.42GHz G4 MDD PowerMac, 1.5GHz G4 MacMini, Efika 5200b, plus MorphOS3.0 beta on both my 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks, with a Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac running MacOSX 10.5.8 Ubuntu PPC 10.10 waiting for support on MorphOS3.x. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
On Dec 2, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Martin N wrote: Lo, At 04:49 02/12/2011, you wrote: Il giorno 1-12-2011 23:19, Martin N ha scritto: Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask a seller on ebay to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable Panasonic. He will have to do some disassembly, I think, to get to the cooling unit. On my G5, it wasn't obvious just opening it. All you need to do is slip off the G5 processor cover and if you see copper tubing it's a Panasonic. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
All you need to do is slip off the G5 processor cover and if you see copper tubing it's a Panasonic. If I remember correctly, the copper tubing on the Panasonic Liquid Cooling Systems is painted, or anodized a silver color, so don't get confused that it isn't copper colored. The other LCS units use rubber hoses, not metal tubing, so it is easy to tell them apart. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:29 AM, David W. Morris wrote: All you need to do is slip off the G5 processor cover and if you see copper tubing it's a Panasonic. If I remember correctly, the copper tubing on the Panasonic Liquid Cooling Systems is painted, or anodized a silver color, so don't get confused that it isn't copper colored. The other LCS units use rubber hoses, not metal tubing, so it is easy to tell them apart. Here is the one in my G5 Dual 2.7. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while the Panasonic dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS). But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me. I hope This will clear up the LCS models. The one with the copper tubing is the Panasonic. This was a fast fix for the many leakers that Apple had early on and AFAIK some of the very last Dual 2.7's had them stock. The other two are Delphi's notice the one with two pumps it's used in the Quad Core only. The single pump model is also a Delphi it was used up to and including the early 2005's as far as I know. The Delphi's can be successfully rebuilt I've done it and never had another leak, But nothings perfect. The problem is the heat sink cover plates and those lame O rings you need to be extra clean and use Form-A-Gasket with new O rings. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem inline: PastedGraphic-1.tiff-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 04:49 02/12/2011, you wrote: Il giorno 1-12-2011 23:19, Martin N ha scritto: Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask a seller on ebay to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable Panasonic. He will have to do some disassembly, I think, to get to the cooling unit. On my G5, it wasn't obvious just opening it. OK it looks like the description is what i will have to rely on. Unless i pay the extra for a mac dealer refurb but they are a lot more expensive If you're afraid about the LCS, you could go for an air cooled G5. (you can use MacTracker to know which is which) Yeah fair enough. Never had a liquid cooled computer of any sort which makes be apprehensive. The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better than the solo's... They are great machines IMHO. Are the quads Delphis cheaper than the dual Panasonic? I think the OP meant Quad core G5... :-) (it was the last G5 model, the Late 2005, with dual core processors: the top model had two dual core 2.5 GHz processors, hence the quad core) Yeah i know, I should be more accurate in my wording :) thanks Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Martin N wrote: Lo, At 02:15 30/11/2011, you wrote: In a message dated 11/29/11 7:21:07 PM, marti...@bluebottle.com writes: Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are? I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not very well built. Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare. Martin N This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky cooling units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units Panasonic for later models) and it was the early units that had leak issues. It was also stated that no matter what they should be inspected periodically. Check the list archives or google. Plenty or info. The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better than the solo's. They are great machines IMHO. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Il giorno 30-11-2011 0:57, Martin N ha scritto: Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are? I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not very well built. As stated before, looking on Google or this List archives will get you plenty of info. I got a G5 2.7 DP recently. It seems having the Delphi Liquid Cooling System (LCS), but no leak so far. Very silent, quite fast, I think it's a very good machine, but you have to be lucky about the LCS. Or, get yourself an air cooled one. Below is part of the msgs I got when talking about this: Apple had two different LCS's in the G5 PM 2.7 the Delphi (single pump) it was pretty sure to leak and need to be rebuilt the other LCS was made by Panasonic (two pumps) that AFAIK never has leaked yet. I replaced my Delphi after two rebuilds and one Power supply with the later model Panasonic, it's a much better built unit and easy to service if needed. is there any easy way to tell which LCS I have on my G5? The easy way is to look at it with the G5 cover off and if it has copper tubes it's a Panasonic. The top of the processor has the name. Plus not all the Delphi's will leak but it's a real problem with these machines. If you need one rebuilt you can do it your self or Brian at DTT will do it cheap. http://www.dttservice.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 00:09 01/12/2011, you wrote: Il giorno 30-11-2011 0:57, Martin N ha scritto: snip Below is part of the msgs I got when talking about this: Apple had two different LCS's in the G5 PM 2.7 the Delphi (single pump) it was pretty sure to leak and need to be rebuilt the other LCS was made by Panasonic (two pumps) that AFAIK never has leaked yet. I replaced my Delphi after two rebuilds and one Power supply with the later model Panasonic, it's a much better built unit and easy to service if needed. is there any easy way to tell which LCS I have on my G5? The easy way is to look at it with the G5 cover off and if it has copper tubes it's a Panasonic. The top of the processor has the name. Plus not all the Delphi's will leak but it's a real problem with these machines. If you need one rebuilt you can do it your self or Brian at DTT will do it cheap. http://www.dttservice.com/ Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask a seller on ebay to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable Panasonic. Unless i pay the extra for a mac dealer refurb but they are a lot more expensive than those on ebay when i was looking for my g4 mac mini. This is in the UK so YMMV. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 20:58 30/11/2011, you wrote: On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Martin N wrote: Lo, At 02:15 30/11/2011, you wrote: snip This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky cooling units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units Panasonic for later models) and it was the early units that had leak issues. It was also stated that no matter what they should be inspected periodically. Check the list archives or google. Plenty or info. The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better than the solo's... They are great machines IMHO. Are the quads Delphis cheaper than the dual Panasonic? Could be, if there is high demand for the Panasonic with the known cooling issues. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Il giorno 1-12-2011 23:19, Martin N ha scritto: Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask a seller on ebay to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable Panasonic. He will have to do some disassembly, I think, to get to the cooling unit. On my G5, it wasn't obvious just opening it. Unless i pay the extra for a mac dealer refurb but they are a lot more expensive If you're afraid about the LCS, you could go for an air cooled G5. (you can use MacTracker to know which is which) The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better than the solo's... They are great machines IMHO. Are the quads Delphis cheaper than the dual Panasonic? I think the OP meant Quad core G5... :-) (it was the last G5 model, the Late 2005, with dual core processors: the top model had two dual core 2.5 GHz processors, hence the quad core) Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while the Panasonic dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS). But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 02:15 30/11/2011, you wrote: In a message dated 11/29/11 7:21:07 PM, marti...@bluebottle.com writes: snip Skyler, My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450 a DA with Sonnet 1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec 2010). XBench scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55. I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB ram a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week including some water cooled quad cores. Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are? I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not very well built. Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare. Martin N This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky cooling units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units Panasonic for later models) and it was the early units that had leak issues. It was also stated that no matter what they should be inspected periodically. Check the list archives or google. Plenty or info. Ok thanks for the information. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 21:53 28/11/2011, you wrote: In a message dated 11/28/11 5:52:36 AM, skyler.r...@gmail.com writes: OK. Sorry I didn't mention that it's a 933 MHz chip. The chip is sold as an *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor. What I really need to know is if it will work with my 2002 Quicksilver. Sorry for the confusion. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, JohnCarmonne mailto:carmo...@aol.comcarmo...@aol.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly appreciated. A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements, which include PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025 If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's. Skyler, My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450 a DA with Sonnet 1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec 2010). XBench scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55. I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB ram a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week including some water cooled quad cores. Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are? I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not very well built. Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
In a message dated 11/29/11 7:21:07 PM, marti...@bluebottle.com writes: snip Skyler, My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450 a DA with Sonnet 1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec 2010). XBench scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55. I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB ram a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week including some water cooled quad cores. Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are? I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not very well built. Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare. Martin N This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky cooling units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units Panasonic for later models) and it was the early units that had leak issues. It was also stated that no matter what they should be inspected periodically. Check the list archives or google. Plenty or info. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
OK. Sorry I didn't mention that it's a 933 MHz chip. The chip is sold as an *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor. What I really need to know is if it will work with my 2002 Quicksilver. Sorry for the confusion. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly appreciated. A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements, which include PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025 If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Later, Skyler Ah but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now Bob Dylan *With a Les Paul you just wind up sounding like someone else; with the Strat I finally sound like me. -Jeff Beck* I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ. Ghandi Censorship, like charity, should begin at home. But unlike charity, it should remain there. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
The Apple 1.25GHz Dual G4 Processor will only work in the Mirror Drive Door PowerMac models, not your Quicksilver. You should look for a Sonnet 1.8GHz upgrade, or there was a company that made a 2.0GHz upgrade for the Quicksilver, but they are extremely hard to find. On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Later, Skyler -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
In a message dated 11/28/11 5:52:36 AM, skyler.r...@gmail.com writes: OK. Sorry I didn't mention that it's a 933 MHz chip. The chip is sold as an *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor. What I really need to know is if it will work with my 2002 Quicksilver. Sorry for the confusion. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly appreciated. A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements, which include PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025 If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's. Skyler, My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450 a DA with Sonnet 1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec 2010). XBench scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55. I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB ram a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week including some water cooled quad cores. My 2.3 XBenched at 101 out of the box. When you compare the G5 to the G4, even to the DP MDD, there is a huge difference for the money I'm saying that as a G4 lover holdout. BobT -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Il giorno 28-11-2011 4:14, Skyler Rudd ha scritto: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Aside from Fabian Fang answer... you didn't mention your actual QS CPU. If that 1.25 CPU is an original from Apple, it must come from a G4 MDD, thus I doubt it will go straight into a QS (I might be wrong, thou). If it would be a third-party CPU upgrade, then it might. Adobe CS3 is compatible with G4 but, from my personal experience, even with a 1.25 GHz DP G4, it would be slow. I had a G4 Digital Audio (almost same architecture than your QS) upgraded with a 1.4 GHz CPU: InDesign CS3 was pretty slow (but usable), Photoshop was better, but working with them wasn't the best. Now, with a G5 2.7 DP, it's much better: not blazing fast, but not crawling anymore. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly appreciated. A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements, which include PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025 If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question for my Dual 533 G4
On Jan 23, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Mark mjsteph...@everestkc.net wrote: I'd like to upgrade by adding Tiger (replacing Panther) CS 2. Go right ahead...your system will run Tiger just fine! -- Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question for my Dual 533 G4
At 11:58 AM -0700 1/23/10, Kasey Smith wrote: On Jan 23, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Mark wrote: Hi everyone, I'd like to upgrade by adding Tiger (replacing Panther) CS 2. (replacing photoshop 6) I want to run an updated browser web design software compatible w/ tiger. I know little about computers except creating art in Photoshop,so would appreciate any suggestions. I'm considering a newer Mac if this isn't possible. Below are the specs: Dual 533 MHz Mac G4, 1.12 GB SRAM, L2 Cache: 1 MB (per cpu) - Bus speed: 133 MHz. Memory: up to 1.5 GB Max;+ 128 SRAM This computer is partitioned - 1. OS 9.2.2, 57.26 GB capacity; 35.14 GB available. 2. OSX 10.3.9 Panther Thank you! Mark You could even do a little poking around and install Leo on there and it would run fine. :D (Leo takes a workaround for under 876MHz G4's, but dual 533MHz might even be faster then an 876MHz...) Tiger will likely run faster for you than Panther on that machine. I have a near identical DA. Leopard should work as well, but it may be a little slower than Tiger. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade Question
On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark Of all the replies I read I didn't see one which questioned why you can't install iMovie 6 on your machine. I have it on my MDD dual 867 and it runs fine. Naturally it will be faster with a faster system (ask Peter Haas about his tests times), but it does run and I edited most of my VHS movie collection on mine and burned DVD using iDVD. I believe FCP6 would require a faster processor however. HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Apr 2, 7:04 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: As a media student and semi pro I recommend the G5. As much of one as you can afford. The upgrades are nice and may work but the G5 has a better upgrade future. I agree on getting a better machine. Hard to justify spending half a grand on the old one. For a G5, do we include the liquid cooled models that are beginning to leak and corrode the innards? For the $500 or so, why not consider a used Mac Mini Intel machine, or even a new one? Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Doug Burton slu...@embarqmail.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark Of all the replies I read I didn't see one which questioned why you can't install iMovie 6 on your machine. I have it on my MDD dual 867 and it runs fine. Naturally it will be faster with a faster system (ask Peter Haas about his tests times), but it does run and I edited most of my VHS movie collection on mine and burned DVD using iDVD. I believe FCP6 would require a faster processor however. HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a+subscr...@googlegroups.com ___ It was not a question of could it be done. Many would try to convince us that they run FCP on a classic XBox and prove it. The OP wanted advice on the most cost effective path for a future in a professional video business. Sticking with an old machine is asking for a world of pain and hurt in such an environment. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
Thanks for the link, I've been looking for a hackintosh community, since I've just set up my Toshiba A205-S5803 to be a hackintoshi. Right now I'm running 10.5.6 :) On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Doug Burton slu...@embarqmail.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark Of all the replies I read I didn't see one which questioned why you can't install iMovie 6 on your machine. I have it on my MDD dual 867 and it runs fine. Naturally it will be faster with a faster system (ask Peter Haas about his tests times), but it does run and I edited most of my VHS movie collection on mine and burned DVD using iDVD. I believe FCP6 would require a faster processor however. HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a+subscr...@googlegroups.com ___ It was not a question of could it be done. Many would try to convince us that they run FCP on a classic XBox and prove it. The OP wanted advice on the most cost effective path for a future in a professional video business. Sticking with an old machine is asking for a world of pain and hurt in such an environment. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark President BlackShark Films Inc. 23 Chilton Park Milton, MA 02186 617-298-1591 (o) 857-544-3783(c) (360) 242-7648(f) http://www.blacksharkfilms.com blacksharkfi...@yahoo.com This is perilously close to the 'If it ain't broke' place. A G5 would solve the Leopard, leave you with your still functional G4 MAC. Sounds like a Win Win, to me. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Charles Davis wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark President BlackShark Films Inc. 23 Chilton Park Milton, MA 02186 617-298-1591 (o) 857-544-3783(c) (360) 242-7648(f) http://www.blacksharkfilms.com blacksharkfi...@yahoo.com This is perilously close to the 'If it ain't broke' place. A G5 would solve the Leopard, leave you with your still functional G4 MAC. Sounds like a Win Win, to me. More like a Mac Macrimshot -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Charles Davis wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark President BlackShark Films Inc. 23 Chilton Park Milton, MA 02186 617-298-1591 (o) 857-544-3783(c) (360) 242-7648(f) http://www.blacksharkfilms.com blacksharkfi...@yahoo.com This is perilously close to the 'If it ain't broke' place. A G5 would solve the Leopard, leave you with your still functional G4 MAC. Sounds like a Win Win, to me. More like a Mac Macrimshot I think the advise here has been: go get a G5 and not waste money on upgrading a G4. Search the forum... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM, andre stark blacksharkfi...@yahoo.comwrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks __ As a media student and semi pro I recommend the G5. As much of one as you can afford. The upgrades are nice and may work but the G5 has a better upgrade future. Another lister here uses a PC based Mac system to do pro video those also seem to work well at a lower entry cost. Ideally of course an Intel Mac would be best for FCP6. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM, andre stark blacksharkfi...@yahoo.comwrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks There is a powerful G5 on the swap list right now. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
