Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
Hi Hayden, The reason that Munawar made it $50 was because he worked a lot. I spoke to him yesturday, he said to me, they did many retakes of the scenes. They even stayed up until late! So that's why its about $50. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi, To tell you the truth, I've beaten it once, and while I'm trying to get through it again, I just don't care as much for it anymore. Something is gone once you've completed the game the first time through, and while it has some excellent sounds and a very well-put together storyline, it really isn't worth $50. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Mauricio Almeida Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:00 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Bgb experts have disagreed upon this. some say there is due to how entertaining the game is, and how the scenes are input. others say there just isn§t. Mauricio -Mensagem original- De: Mike Maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net Para: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quarta, 29 de Dezembro de 2010 10:34 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I purchased it and love it but the question is though I have not finished the game, is there a replay value once you have finished the mission? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:17 AM To: Munawar Bijani; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I seriously recommend purchasing TDV. Its worth it. - Original Message - From: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hello Everyone, There is a sale right now on both Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. This sale will end on January 1, 2011--only two days left! Three-D Velocity will be priced at $50.00 USD after the sale ends, and Treasure Hunt will be priced at $25.00 after the sale ends. This means that if you buy both of these games now, you will save a total of $18.00! Visit www.bpcprograms.com for information about Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. Recently, we added a gifting option to the Three-D Velocity order form. You are now able to purchase this game as a gift for someone else. All you do is tell us the gift recipient's Email address and name, and we'll do the rest! It's a great way to say Happy New Year's Day. You can order the above-mentioned games by visiting www.bpcprograms.com/purchase.htm. We also released Three-D Velocity 1.3 recently. Find out more at www.bpcprograms.com/news.htm. Munawar A. Bijani Manager, Developer BPCPrograms, LLC http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity !
excuse me, sir, but I hope he did not tell you that. because if he did, then here are a couple of reflection points: 1. if you will work on something decent, you will stay up late on it at some points, anyway, despite whatever you do to avoid it. 2. If you want players to buy your games, be it for $50 or for $29, (q9)you will have to record scenes several times for them to work. It does not mean you did something extraordinary, it just means you are human and could not do things well in the first time you did them. Am I, on this e-mail, saying Munawar did not wor for his game? no, i am absolutely not doing that. As the CEO of the only bllind gaming entertainment entity in the country, I know how hard developers work, because, either , we are translating their games with them as they develop (several developers in this list may confirm that, if they wish). or we translate them after the release, with high quality voices and well editted sounds when necessary and authorised. All i am trying to say is you may not justify a products price by your work, because everyone that does something decent works hard. You must justify what you charge based on playability and quality. Thank you, Mauricio almeida -Mensagem original- De: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quinta, 30 de Dezembro de 2010 10:21 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi Hayden, The reason that Munawar made it $50 was because he worked a lot. I spoke to him yesturday, he said to me, they did many retakes of the scenes. They even stayed up until late! So that's why its about $50. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi, To tell you the truth, I've beaten it once, and while I'm trying to get through it again, I just don't care as much for it anymore. Something is gone once you've completed the game the first time through, and while it has some excellent sounds and a very well-put together storyline, it really isn't worth $50. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Mauricio Almeida Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:00 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Bgb experts have disagreed upon this. some say there is due to how entertaining the game is, and how the scenes are input. others say there just isn§t. Mauricio -Mensagem original- De: Mike Maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net Para: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quarta, 29 de Dezembro de 2010 10:34 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I purchased it and love it but the question is though I have not finished the game, is there a replay value once you have finished the mission? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:17 AM To: Munawar Bijani; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I seriously recommend purchasing TDV. Its worth it. - Original Message - From: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hello Everyone, There is a sale right now on both Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. This sale will end on January 1, 2011--only two days left! Three-D Velocity will be priced at $50.00 USD after the sale ends, and Treasure Hunt will be priced at $25.00 after the sale ends. This means that if you buy both of these games now, you will save a total of $18.00! Visit www.bpcprograms.com for information about Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. Recently, we added a gifting option to the Three-D Velocity order form. You are now able to purchase this game as a gift for someone else. All you do is tell us the gift recipient's Email address and name, and we'll do the rest! It's a great way to say Happy New Year's Day. You can order the above-mentioned games by visiting www.bpcprograms.com/purchase.htm. We also released Three-D Velocity 1.3 recently. Find out more at www.bpcprograms.com/news.htm. Munawar A. Bijani Manager, Developer BPCPrograms, LLC http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
Ok. - Original Message - From: Mauricio Almeida mauricio...@uol.com.br To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! excuse me, sir, but I hope he did not tell you that. because if he did, then here are a couple of reflection points: 1. if you will work on something decent, you will stay up late on it at some points, anyway, despite whatever you do to avoid it. 2. If you want players to buy your games, be it for $50 or for $29, (q9)you will have to record scenes several times for them to work. It does not mean you did something extraordinary, it just means you are human and could not do things well in the first time you did them. Am I, on this e-mail, saying Munawar did not wor for his game? no, i am absolutely not doing that. As the CEO of the only bllind gaming entertainment entity in the country, I know how hard developers work, because, either , we are translating their games with them as they develop (several developers in this list may confirm that, if they wish). or we translate them after the release, with high quality voices and well editted sounds when necessary and authorised. All i am trying to say is you may not justify a products price by your work, because everyone that does something decent works hard. You must justify what you charge based on playability and quality. Thank you, Mauricio almeida -Mensagem original- De: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quinta, 30 de Dezembro de 2010 10:21 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi Hayden, The reason that Munawar made it $50 was because he worked a lot. I spoke to him yesturday, he said to me, they did many retakes of the scenes. They even stayed up until late! So that's why its about $50. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi, To tell you the truth, I've beaten it once, and while I'm trying to get through it again, I just don't care as much for it anymore. Something is gone once you've completed the game the first time through, and while it has some excellent sounds and a very well-put together storyline, it really isn't worth $50. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Mauricio Almeida Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:00 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Bgb experts have disagreed upon this. some say there is due to how entertaining the game is, and how the scenes are input. others say there just isn§t. Mauricio -Mensagem original- De: Mike Maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net Para: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quarta, 29 de Dezembro de 2010 10:34 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I purchased it and love it but the question is though I have not finished the game, is there a replay value once you have finished the mission? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:17 AM To: Munawar Bijani; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I seriously recommend purchasing TDV. Its worth it. - Original Message - From: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hello Everyone, There is a sale right now on both Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. This sale will end on January 1, 2011--only two days left! Three-D Velocity will be priced at $50.00 USD after the sale ends, and Treasure Hunt will be priced at $25.00 after the sale ends. This means that if you buy both of these games now, you will save a total of $18.00! Visit www.bpcprograms.com for information about Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. Recently, we added a gifting option to the Three-D Velocity order form. You are now able to purchase this game as a gift for someone else. All you do is tell us the gift recipient's Email address and name, and we'll do the rest! It's a great way to say Happy New Year's Day. You can order the above-mentioned games by visiting www.bpcprograms.com/purchase.htm. We also released Three-D Velocity 1.3 recently. Find out more at www.bpcprograms.com/news.htm. Munawar A. Bijani Manager, Developer BPCPrograms, LLC http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
That's not entirely true. You can, in fact, justify a product's price by your work, epecially if you had to put forth more of your own money to make the product happen. I got TDV for the discounted price but I would happily have paid the full price even if for no other reason than to support Munawar in any future projects. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Mauricio Almeida mauricio...@uol.com.br To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! excuse me, sir, but I hope he did not tell you that. because if he did, then here are a couple of reflection points: 1. if you will work on something decent, you will stay up late on it at some points, anyway, despite whatever you do to avoid it. 2. If you want players to buy your games, be it for $50 or for $29, (q9)you will have to record scenes several times for them to work. It does not mean you did something extraordinary, it just means you are human and could not do things well in the first time you did them. Am I, on this e-mail, saying Munawar did not wor for his game? no, i am absolutely not doing that. As the CEO of the only bllind gaming entertainment entity in the country, I know how hard developers work, because, either , we are translating their games with them as they develop (several developers in this list may confirm that, if they wish). or we translate them after the release, with high quality voices and well editted sounds when necessary and authorised. All i am trying to say is you may not justify a products price by your work, because everyone that does something decent works hard. You must justify what you charge based on playability and quality. Thank you, Mauricio almeida -Mensagem original- De: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quinta, 30 de Dezembro de 2010 10:21 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi Hayden, The reason that Munawar made it $50 was because he worked a lot. I spoke to him yesturday, he said to me, they did many retakes of the scenes. They even stayed up until late! So that's why its about $50. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi, To tell you the truth, I've beaten it once, and while I'm trying to get through it again, I just don't care as much for it anymore. Something is gone once you've completed the game the first time through, and while it has some excellent sounds and a very well-put together storyline, it really isn't worth $50. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Mauricio Almeida Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:00 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Bgb experts have disagreed upon this. some say there is due to how entertaining the game is, and how the scenes are input. others say there just isn§t. Mauricio -Mensagem original- De: Mike Maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net Para: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quarta, 29 de Dezembro de 2010 10:34 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I purchased it and love it but the question is though I have not finished the game, is there a replay value once you have finished the mission? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:17 AM To: Munawar Bijani; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I seriously recommend purchasing TDV. Its worth it. - Original Message - From: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hello Everyone, There is a sale right now on both Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. This sale will end on January 1, 2011--only two days left! Three-D Velocity will be priced at $50.00 USD after the sale ends, and Treasure Hunt will be priced at $25.00 after the sale ends. This means that if you buy both of these games now, you will save a total of $18.00! Visit www.bpcprograms.com for information about Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. Recently, we added a gifting option to the Three-D Velocity order form. You are now able to purchase this game as a gift for someone else. All you do is tell us the gift recipient's Email address and name, and we'll do the rest! It's a great way to say Happy New Year's Day. You can order the above-mentioned games by visiting www.bpcprograms.com/purchase.htm. We also released Three-D Velocity 1.3
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity !
quality is a concequence of work. should you work on a product forgetting of playability in the future? no, you should not. why would you think that games like Mota, from USA games will never run out of public? because they are random. the itens you gain are random. the number of possible weapon choices is huge. When you are dealing with shareware solutions, you must not only own a creative mind, which munawar certainly does, and have the talent to code, which he definitely does as well. you must know how to deal with your market, and attract your public. if tdv had more playability, he could easily have charged $35 for it and yet it would have compensated the work from a market sale point of view, simply because all those people that are complaining about playability would have no reason to complain, as extra playability is never a bad thing. Mauricio almeida -Mensagem original- De: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quinta, 30 de Dezembro de 2010 07:43 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! That's not entirely true. You can, in fact, justify a product's price by your work, epecially if you had to put forth more of your own money to make the product happen. I got TDV for the discounted price but I would happily have paid the full price even if for no other reason than to support Munawar in any future projects. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Mauricio Almeida mauricio...@uol.com.br To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! excuse me, sir, but I hope he did not tell you that. because if he did, then here are a couple of reflection points: 1. if you will work on something decent, you will stay up late on it at some points, anyway, despite whatever you do to avoid it. 2. If you want players to buy your games, be it for $50 or for $29, (q9)you will have to record scenes several times for them to work. It does not mean you did something extraordinary, it just means you are human and could not do things well in the first time you did them. Am I, on this e-mail, saying Munawar did not wor for his game? no, i am absolutely not doing that. As the CEO of the only bllind gaming entertainment entity in the country, I know how hard developers work, because, either , we are translating their games with them as they develop (several developers in this list may confirm that, if they wish). or we translate them after the release, with high quality voices and well editted sounds when necessary and authorised. All i am trying to say is you may not justify a products price by your work, because everyone that does something decent works hard. You must justify what you charge based on playability and quality. Thank you, Mauricio almeida -Mensagem original- De: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quinta, 30 de Dezembro de 2010 10:21 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi Hayden, The reason that Munawar made it $50 was because he worked a lot. I spoke to him yesturday, he said to me, they did many retakes of the scenes. They even stayed up until late! So that's why its about $50. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi, To tell you the truth, I've beaten it once, and while I'm trying to get through it again, I just don't care as much for it anymore. Something is gone once you've completed the game the first time through, and while it has some excellent sounds and a very well-put together storyline, it really isn't worth $50. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Mauricio Almeida Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:00 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Bgb experts have disagreed upon this. some say there is due to how entertaining the game is, and how the scenes are input. others say there just isn§t. Mauricio -Mensagem original- De: Mike Maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net Para: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quarta, 29 de Dezembro de 2010 10:34 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I purchased it and love it but the question is though I have not finished the game, is there a replay value once you have finished the mission? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:17 AM To: Munawar Bijani; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
Hi, Agreed. For a game to go on sale for $50 it would have to be pretty good. Not only quality but have decent replay value as well. Of course, labor is a factor too, but if you make a mistake during development weather it is having to redo dialog, rerecord a sscene, fix a bug, etc that cost should not be passed off to the customer since it was the developer's own mistake. For example, most people know I've been working on Mysteries of the Ancients for roughly two years. First, we discovered Managed DirectX 9 was causing the game to crash so we rewrote the engine in C++ using DirectX 8,and later we converted DirectX to SFML 1.6. Soon after beta 14 was released we discovered a bunch of new bugs in the engine caused by SFML. So we are rewriting a big part of the engine once again. If I were to put a price tag on the labor involved I could easily ask for $50 for the game, but I won't do that. Why? Well, in large part many of the problems were my fault. The game was pretty stable using DirectX 8, but chose to give SFML 1.6 a try and that ended up being a major mistake on my part. I shouldn't expect customers to pay extra for the game since I have to rewrite a lot of stuff to fix the problems caused by SFML. That's unfair to the customer since it was my mistake and not their mistake. So if TDV is marked up because of someone having to stay up late or retake scenes that's just wrong in my book. I often stay up late working on MOTA, but I don't ask for a penny extra. I chose to stay up rather than work on it on weekends or some other time. Cheers! On 12/29/10, Mauricio Almeida mauricio...@uol.com.br wrote: excuse me, sir, but I hope he did not tell you that. because if he did, then here are a couple of reflection points: 1. if you will work on something decent, you will stay up late on it at some points, anyway, despite whatever you do to avoid it. 2. If you want players to buy your games, be it for $50 or for $29, (q9)you will have to record scenes several times for them to work. It does not mean you did something extraordinary, it just means you are human and could not do things well in the first time you did them. Am I, on this e-mail, saying Munawar did not wor for his game? no, i am absolutely not doing that. As the CEO of the only bllind gaming entertainment entity in the country, I know how hard developers work, because, either , we are translating their games with them as they develop (several developers in this list may confirm that, if they wish). or we translate them after the release, with high quality voices and well editted sounds when necessary and authorised. All i am trying to say is you may not justify a products price by your work, because everyone that does something decent works hard. You must justify what you charge based on playability and quality. Thank you, Mauricio almeida --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
Ah ok. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi, Agreed. For a game to go on sale for $50 it would have to be pretty good. Not only quality but have decent replay value as well. Of course, labor is a factor too, but if you make a mistake during development weather it is having to redo dialog, rerecord a sscene, fix a bug, etc that cost should not be passed off to the customer since it was the developer's own mistake. For example, most people know I've been working on Mysteries of the Ancients for roughly two years. First, we discovered Managed DirectX 9 was causing the game to crash so we rewrote the engine in C++ using DirectX 8,and later we converted DirectX to SFML 1.6. Soon after beta 14 was released we discovered a bunch of new bugs in the engine caused by SFML. So we are rewriting a big part of the engine once again. If I were to put a price tag on the labor involved I could easily ask for $50 for the game, but I won't do that. Why? Well, in large part many of the problems were my fault. The game was pretty stable using DirectX 8, but chose to give SFML 1.6 a try and that ended up being a major mistake on my part. I shouldn't expect customers to pay extra for the game since I have to rewrite a lot of stuff to fix the problems caused by SFML. That's unfair to the customer since it was my mistake and not their mistake. So if TDV is marked up because of someone having to stay up late or retake scenes that's just wrong in my book. I often stay up late working on MOTA, but I don't ask for a penny extra. I chose to stay up rather than work on it on weekends or some other time. Cheers! On 12/29/10, Mauricio Almeida mauricio...@uol.com.br wrote: excuse me, sir, but I hope he did not tell you that. because if he did, then here are a couple of reflection points: 1. if you will work on something decent, you will stay up late on it at some points, anyway, despite whatever you do to avoid it. 2. If you want players to buy your games, be it for $50 or for $29, (q9)you will have to record scenes several times for them to work. It does not mean you did something extraordinary, it just means you are human and could not do things well in the first time you did them. Am I, on this e-mail, saying Munawar did not wor for his game? no, i am absolutely not doing that. As the CEO of the only bllind gaming entertainment entity in the country, I know how hard developers work, because, either , we are translating their games with them as they develop (several developers in this list may confirm that, if they wish). or we translate them after the release, with high quality voices and well editted sounds when necessary and authorised. All i am trying to say is you may not justify a products price by your work, because everyone that does something decent works hard. You must justify what you charge based on playability and quality. Thank you, Mauricio almeida --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Besides, fifty bucks is about what you can expect to pay for a lot of mainstream games anymore, and those aren't even truly accessible. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Mauricio Almeida mauricio...@uol.com.br To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! quality is a concequence of work. should you work on a product forgetting of playability in the future? no, you should not. why would you think that games like Mota, from USA games will never run out of public? because they are random. the itens you gain are random. the number of possible weapon choices is huge. When you are dealing with shareware solutions, you must not only own a creative mind, which munawar certainly does, and have the talent to code, which he definitely does as well. you must know how to deal with your market, and attract your public. if tdv had more playability, he could easily have charged $35 for it and yet it would have compensated the work from a market sale point of view, simply because all those people that are complaining about playability would have no reason to complain, as extra playability is never a bad thing. Mauricio almeida -Mensagem original- De: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quinta, 30 de Dezembro de 2010 07:43 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! That's not entirely true. You can, in fact, justify a product's price by your work, epecially if you had to put forth more of your own money to make the product happen. I got TDV for the discounted price but I would happily have paid the full price even if for no other reason than to support Munawar in any future projects. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Mauricio Almeida mauricio...@uol.com.br To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! excuse me, sir, but I hope he did not tell you that. because if he did, then here are a couple of reflection points: 1. if you will work on something decent, you will stay up late on it at some points, anyway, despite whatever you do to avoid it. 2. If you want players to buy your games, be it for $50 or for $29, (q9)you will have to record scenes several times for them to work. It does not mean you did something extraordinary, it just means you are human and could not do things well in the first time you did them. Am I, on this e-mail, saying Munawar did not wor for his game? no, i am absolutely not doing that. As the CEO of the only bllind gaming entertainment entity in the country, I know how hard developers work, because, either , we are translating their games with them as they develop (several developers in this list may confirm that, if they wish). or we translate them after the release, with high quality voices and well editted sounds when necessary and authorised. All i am trying to say is you may not justify a products price by your work, because everyone that does something decent works hard. You must justify what you charge based on playability and quality. Thank you, Mauricio almeida -Mensagem original- De: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quinta, 30 de Dezembro de 2010 10:21 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi Hayden, The reason that Munawar made it $50 was because he worked a lot. I spoke to him yesturday, he said to me, they did many retakes of the scenes. They even stayed up until late! So that's why its about $50. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi, To tell you the truth, I've beaten it once, and while I'm trying to get through it again, I just don't care as much for it anymore. Something is gone once you've completed the game the first time through, and while it has some excellent sounds and a very well-put together storyline, it really isn't worth $50. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Mauricio Almeida Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:00 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Bgb experts have disagreed upon this. some say there is due to how entertaining the game is, and how the scenes are input. others say there just isn§t. Mauricio -Mensagem original- De: Mike Maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net Para: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quarta, 29 de Dezembro de 2010 10:34 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
By the same principle... mainstream games don't get charged based off mistakes and work problems. They cost 60 to 70 bucks for a reason. They manpower going into those games is huge... and I don't blame them in the slightest. If they really did charge the way some people on this list would have it, based on time spent working on the project, they could easily charge over 100 dollars for the budget spent on the game. However, therein lies the problem.. who would buy a game with no replayability? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
I so agree with you on this thomas - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hi, Agreed. For a game to go on sale for $50 it would have to be pretty good. Not only quality but have decent replay value as well. Of course, labor is a factor too, but if you make a mistake during development weather it is having to redo dialog, rerecord a sscene, fix a bug, etc that cost should not be passed off to the customer since it was the developer's own mistake. For example, most people know I've been working on Mysteries of the Ancients for roughly two years. First, we discovered Managed DirectX 9 was causing the game to crash so we rewrote the engine in C++ using DirectX 8,and later we converted DirectX to SFML 1.6. Soon after beta 14 was released we discovered a bunch of new bugs in the engine caused by SFML. So we are rewriting a big part of the engine once again. If I were to put a price tag on the labor involved I could easily ask for $50 for the game, but I won't do that. Why? Well, in large part many of the problems were my fault. The game was pretty stable using DirectX 8, but chose to give SFML 1.6 a try and that ended up being a major mistake on my part. I shouldn't expect customers to pay extra for the game since I have to rewrite a lot of stuff to fix the problems caused by SFML. That's unfair to the customer since it was my mistake and not their mistake. So if TDV is marked up because of someone having to stay up late or retake scenes that's just wrong in my book. I often stay up late working on MOTA, but I don't ask for a penny extra. I chose to stay up rather than work on it on weekends or some other time. Cheers! __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
Hi Bryan, is no denying that most mainstream games retail for $45 to $50. However, there are probably a few extra factors we might want to take into consideration from a strictly business point of view. First, how much spending capital does your target market have? Most of the VI in the United States and in other countries are unemployed and and are on some form of disability like SSI or SSDI. Since the majority of the target market is on Social Security that means they have a fixed income, and can't work over time etc to increase there spending capital. For the average VI customer on Social Security $50.00 is alot of money and the cost could seriously effect sales of the product. This is very different from a teenager who maybe works at an after school job like McDonald's, Burger King, etc to make some extra cash for vidio games, save a little cash for college, or a cell phone bill. They can usually work extra hours to get abit more money, and they certainly don't have to worry about the day to day basics like rent, electric, etc as chances are good that their parents actually provide those things. So they have that $50 now and then for the latest XBox or Play Station release. Where your VI customer might have to put that money foward towards electric, cell phone bill, internet, television, rent, trash pickup, etc. Second, there is the issue of what the target market is actually willing to spend on a product. This is where quality and replay value factors into the buying decision. If a customer doesn't believe the product is worth the price you put on that product they aren't going to pay for it. Sad to say that's the harsh reality of the matter. For example, let's think about the Bavisoft games. I don't have a problem with the quality of the sounds etc in their games, but as plenty of people said they have very little to no replay value at all. So as a potential customer I have no desire to buy those games, and especially for the price Bavisoft thinks they are worth. Given the fact there are better games out there for less like Shades of Doom, Q9, whatever I would not personally pay more than $20 each. So even though the developer may think the games are worth their sale price I personally might not, and as a result my opinion of the game will count for or against my next purchase. If it is too high the developer will have one less sale from me. Cheers! On 12/30/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: We'll just have to agree to disagree. Besides, fifty bucks is about what you can expect to pay for a lot of mainstream games anymore, and those aren't even truly accessible. We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
So its really based on the challenge, that's what your trying to say? And even if I based it on my mistakes, they will have to pay hundreds of dollars and for the sounds, they'll have to pay hundreds of dollars because I based it on the time I put into it? It doesn't depend on acting and those stuff, it depends on replay value? - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! By the same principle... mainstream games don't get charged based off mistakes and work problems. They cost 60 to 70 bucks for a reason. They manpower going into those games is huge... and I don't blame them in the slightest. If they really did charge the way some people on this list would have it, based on time spent working on the project, they could easily charge over 100 dollars for the budget spent on the game. However, therein lies the problem.. who would buy a game with no replayability? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
First, I would like to say I am sick and tired of all the rumors going around about TDV. It started with people saying I was handing out free copies, and now this. Muhammed, I am shocked by your initial post to this list and I do not appreciate having stuff I tell you on MSN being taken out of context. I know it is generally considered disrespectful to call out people on public mailing lists but personally, right now I don't really care. You have caused enough of an argument here and this is just one more rumor I will have to deal with, so thanks a lot. Now, to answer the question. If you don't agree with the pricing, you don't have to buy the game, end of story. Several people have bought it and are satisfied with their purchases. The lack of one or two sales will not hurt the company now as much as it would have, say, two months ago, and this is largely because of the people who have consistently supported the project, so my personal thanks go out to you. If you really believe the price tag forces the customer to pay for mistakes, then you are pretty misinformed about the project's development. Although, Muhammed's statement probably left you with no choice but to think this way. There is a difference between a hobbiest developer and a true business. BPC is the latter. The customer ultimately pays to invest money back into the business to support future projects. If I really factored in how many hours went into coding, debugging, etc, the cost would over run $500.00 per copy. So stop with the rumors and Muhammed, stop trying to act like BPC's spokesperson. This is not the first time you have done such a thing and I am getting really, really tired of you constantly putting me and the rest of the team in this sort of position. Munawar A. Bijani BPCPrograms, LLC http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
First, I would like to say I am sick and tired of all the rumors going around about TDV. It started with people saying I was handing out free copies, and now this. Muhammed, I am shocked by your initial post to this list and I do not appreciate having stuff I tell you on MSN being taken out of context. I know it is generally considered disrespectful to call out people on public mailing lists but personally, right now I don't really care. You have caused enough of an argument here and this is just one more rumor I will have to deal with, so thanks a lot. Now, to answer the question. If you don't agree with the pricing, you don't have to buy the game, end of story. Several people have bought it and are satisfied with their purchases. The lack of one or two sales will not hurt the company now as much as it would have, say, two months ago, and this is largely because of the people who have consistently supported the project, so my personal thanks go out to you. If you really believe the price tag forces the customer to pay for mistakes, then you are pretty misinformed about the project's development. Although, Muhammed's statement probably left you with no choice but to think this way. There is a difference between a hobbiest developer and a true business. BPC is the latter. The customer ultimately pays to invest money back into the business to support future projects. If I really factored in how many hours went into coding, debugging, etc, the cost would over run $500.00 per copy. So stop with the rumors and Muhammed, stop trying to act like BPC's spokesperson. This is not the first time you have done such a thing and I am getting really, really tired of you constantly putting me and the rest of the team in this sort of position. Munawar A. Bijani BPCPrograms, LLC http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
Hi Munawar, Well, thanks for setting the record straight. I was pretty sure it wasn't exactly as Muhammed put it in his initial e-mail, but it sure sounded like you were jacking up the price to cover mistakes or working over time at night etc based on his e-mail. I figured it was probably taken completely out of context. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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ah, kids these days. At 09:57 AM 12/31/2010, you wrote: First, I would like to say I am sick and tired of all the rumors going around about TDV. It started with people saying I was handing out free copies, and now this. Muhammed, I am shocked by your initial post to this list and I do not appreciate having stuff I tell you on MSN being taken out of context. I know it is generally considered disrespectful to call out people on public mailing lists but personally, right now I don't really care. You have caused enough of an argument here and this is just one more rumor I will have to deal with, so thanks a lot. Now, to answer the question. If you don't agree with the pricing, you don't have to buy the game, end of story. Several people have bought it and are satisfied with their purchases. The lack of one or two sales will not hurt the company now as much as it would have, say, two months ago, and this is largely because of the people who have consistently supported the project, so my personal thanks go out to you. If you really believe the price tag forces the customer to pay for mistakes, then you are pretty misinformed about the project's development. Although, Muhammed's statement probably left you with no choice but to think this way. There is a difference between a hobbiest developer and a true business. BPC is the latter. The customer ultimately pays to invest money back into the business to support future projects. If I really factored in how many hours went into coding, debugging, etc, the cost would over run $500.00 per copy. So stop with the rumors and Muhammed, stop trying to act like BPC's spokesperson. This is not the first time you have done such a thing and I am getting really, really tired of you constantly putting me and the rest of the team in this sort of position. Munawar A. Bijani BPCPrograms, LLC http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well I don't read his mails anyway I know he is a mod on one of the groups, I know he spouts and to be honest while I hold nothing against him I have never trusted him fully, Its to hot and I barely skim my mails or read into anything much bar game releases, updates, audio samples and the like. I don't have any time to really get upset, rant or flame like i used to. At 03:18 p.m. 31/12/2010, you wrote: Hi Munawar, Well, thanks for setting the record straight. I was pretty sure it wasn't exactly as Muhammed put it in his initial e-mail, but it sure sounded like you were jacking up the price to cover mistakes or working over time at night etc based on his e-mail. I figured it was probably taken completely out of context. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
Hello Everyone, There is a sale right now on both Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. This sale will end on January 1, 2011--only two days left! Three-D Velocity will be priced at $50.00 USD after the sale ends, and Treasure Hunt will be priced at $25.00 after the sale ends. This means that if you buy both of these games now, you will save a total of $18.00! Visit www.bpcprograms.com for information about Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. Recently, we added a gifting option to the Three-D Velocity order form. You are now able to purchase this game as a gift for someone else. All you do is tell us the gift recipient's Email address and name, and we'll do the rest! It's a great way to say Happy New Year's Day. You can order the above-mentioned games by visiting www.bpcprograms.com/purchase.htm. We also released Three-D Velocity 1.3 recently. Find out more at www.bpcprograms.com/news.htm. Munawar A. Bijani Manager, Developer BPCPrograms, LLC http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
I seriously recommend purchasing TDV. Its worth it. - Original Message - From: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hello Everyone, There is a sale right now on both Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. This sale will end on January 1, 2011--only two days left! Three-D Velocity will be priced at $50.00 USD after the sale ends, and Treasure Hunt will be priced at $25.00 after the sale ends. This means that if you buy both of these games now, you will save a total of $18.00! Visit www.bpcprograms.com for information about Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. Recently, we added a gifting option to the Three-D Velocity order form. You are now able to purchase this game as a gift for someone else. All you do is tell us the gift recipient's Email address and name, and we'll do the rest! It's a great way to say Happy New Year's Day. You can order the above-mentioned games by visiting www.bpcprograms.com/purchase.htm. We also released Three-D Velocity 1.3 recently. Find out more at www.bpcprograms.com/news.htm. Munawar A. Bijani Manager, Developer BPCPrograms, LLC http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity !
i have to say, however, that i am rather unsure why the developing team so far decided not to open doors to, saying the very least, 45.000 people in brazil that wait for new, unique games. We at BGB (blind games Brazil) tried contacting them for translation information and negotiation several times, but either the contacting system in the site does not work, or we did not get an answer. Munawar, would you be whiling to Represent the team on such conversations, which would be off list, obviously? let me know, and we are looking forward to talking with you. Mauricio -Mensagem original- De: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com Para: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com,Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quarta, 29 de Dezembro de 2010 16:16 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I seriously recommend purchasing TDV. Its worth it. - Original Message - From: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hello Everyone, There is a sale right now on both Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. This sale will end on January 1, 2011--only two days left! Three-D Velocity will be priced at $50.00 USD after the sale ends, and Treasure Hunt will be priced at $25.00 after the sale ends. This means that if you buy both of these games now, you will save a total of $18.00! Visit www.bpcprograms.com for information about Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. Recently, we added a gifting option to the Three-D Velocity order form. You are now able to purchase this game as a gift for someone else. All you do is tell us the gift recipient's Email address and name, and we'll do the rest! It's a great way to say Happy New Year's Day. You can order the above-mentioned games by visiting www.bpcprograms.com/purchase.htm. We also released Three-D Velocity 1.3 recently. Find out more at www.bpcprograms.com/news.htm. Munawar A. Bijani Manager, Developer BPCPrograms, LLC http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
I purchased it and love it but the question is though I have not finished the game, is there a replay value once you have finished the mission? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:17 AM To: Munawar Bijani; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I seriously recommend purchasing TDV. Its worth it. - Original Message - From: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hello Everyone, There is a sale right now on both Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. This sale will end on January 1, 2011--only two days left! Three-D Velocity will be priced at $50.00 USD after the sale ends, and Treasure Hunt will be priced at $25.00 after the sale ends. This means that if you buy both of these games now, you will save a total of $18.00! Visit www.bpcprograms.com for information about Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. Recently, we added a gifting option to the Three-D Velocity order form. You are now able to purchase this game as a gift for someone else. All you do is tell us the gift recipient's Email address and name, and we'll do the rest! It's a great way to say Happy New Year's Day. You can order the above-mentioned games by visiting www.bpcprograms.com/purchase.htm. We also released Three-D Velocity 1.3 recently. Find out more at www.bpcprograms.com/news.htm. Munawar A. Bijani Manager, Developer BPCPrograms, LLC http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity !
Bgb experts have disagreed upon this. some say there is due to how entertaining the game is, and how the scenes are input. others say there just isn§t. Mauricio -Mensagem original- De: Mike Maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net Para: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quarta, 29 de Dezembro de 2010 10:34 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I purchased it and love it but the question is though I have not finished the game, is there a replay value once you have finished the mission? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:17 AM To: Munawar Bijani; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I seriously recommend purchasing TDV. Its worth it. - Original Message - From: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hello Everyone, There is a sale right now on both Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. This sale will end on January 1, 2011--only two days left! Three-D Velocity will be priced at $50.00 USD after the sale ends, and Treasure Hunt will be priced at $25.00 after the sale ends. This means that if you buy both of these games now, you will save a total of $18.00! Visit www.bpcprograms.com for information about Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. Recently, we added a gifting option to the Three-D Velocity order form. You are now able to purchase this game as a gift for someone else. All you do is tell us the gift recipient's Email address and name, and we'll do the rest! It's a great way to say Happy New Year's Day. You can order the above-mentioned games by visiting www.bpcprograms.com/purchase.htm. We also released Three-D Velocity 1.3 recently. Find out more at www.bpcprograms.com/news.htm. Munawar A. Bijani Manager, Developer BPCPrograms, LLC http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity!
Hi, To tell you the truth, I've beaten it once, and while I'm trying to get through it again, I just don't care as much for it anymore. Something is gone once you've completed the game the first time through, and while it has some excellent sounds and a very well-put together storyline, it really isn't worth $50. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Mauricio Almeida Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:00 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Bgb experts have disagreed upon this. some say there is due to how entertaining the game is, and how the scenes are input. others say there just isn§t. Mauricio -Mensagem original- De: Mike Maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net Para: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quarta, 29 de Dezembro de 2010 10:34 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I purchased it and love it but the question is though I have not finished the game, is there a replay value once you have finished the mission? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:17 AM To: Munawar Bijani; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! I seriously recommend purchasing TDV. Its worth it. - Original Message - From: Munawar Bijani munaw...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Last Chance to Save on Three-D Velocity! Hello Everyone, There is a sale right now on both Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. This sale will end on January 1, 2011--only two days left! Three-D Velocity will be priced at $50.00 USD after the sale ends, and Treasure Hunt will be priced at $25.00 after the sale ends. This means that if you buy both of these games now, you will save a total of $18.00! Visit www.bpcprograms.com for information about Three-D Velocity and Treasure Hunt. Recently, we added a gifting option to the Three-D Velocity order form. You are now able to purchase this game as a gift for someone else. All you do is tell us the gift recipient's Email address and name, and we'll do the rest! It's a great way to say Happy New Year's Day. You can order the above-mentioned games by visiting www.bpcprograms.com/purchase.htm. We also released Three-D Velocity 1.3 recently. Find out more at www.bpcprograms.com/news.htm. Munawar A. Bijani Manager, Developer BPCPrograms, LLC http://www.bpcprograms.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions
