Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
Hi all. For those who were wondering, react OS is meant as a drop-in free and open source replacement of windows, but it is currently still in alpha. It can run programs compiled for windows. Unfortunately no accessibility support have been included yet. https://www.reactos.org/ On 10/28/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: On that point I agree. Eventually a change will happen for me but its probably not as fast, heck I hope it happens soon because if that does happen it means I will get more employment or something that will warrent this. Right now I am essentually standing still mostly and the change for me will be minimal but your point is valid none the less. At 04:53 a.m. 29/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, I think you have missed my point. The word need isn't the operative word here. Its a more a matter of change is inevitable weather you want to or not. What you want or what you need is often times as changing as the technology itself. For example, right now all you want or need is a decent Windows 7 machine, with say 8 GB of RAM, and a quad core processor. Nothing wrong with that given your current circumstances. However, I foresee a day down the road where that computer dies, perhaps the capacitors on the motherboard bite the dust, and then you need to begin thinking about a replacement. Is it worth your money to try and get the old machine fixed or simply replace the hardware and software in one go? My point being your needs will change, and while you don't have a need right now I think as time goes on your needs will change and other options may seem like good options at that time. I think basing your plans of the future, on upgrading or not upgrading, based exclusively on current circumstances is very short sighted. If there is one constant in life is everything is always changing and the best person to meet that change is someone who is willing to let go of the past and move on. Cheers! On 10/26/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: and maybe thats my problem right there mate. While there is a lot of new tech coming out, there is no need for me to actually move with the times. While I do go on about my tech work, most of it is fixing systems at home, testing software and a few other things. 90% of my work is done online or at least on site. I don't usually need any complex reports to do so I don't even have an updated or legal coppy of office which is not 10 years old. As a result of this and the fact most stuff is via email or sms I don't even have a phone that needs to be even half as updated as I do. in fact if things didn't get insecure I could continue with win98 or even dos quite happily. well maybe not win 98 or dos but sertainly win2000 or xp. For the work I do offsite and its not much, i use the device thats there. My upgrades are usually performance, security to the minimal specs or because its required. Which was why I didn't upgrade jaws, though if I went to work jaws is what is expected for business so I'd have to keep that updated. yunger people are using braille dvices and other things, but with what I do right now, I really don't need that much. Ofcause as I build myself up here and online as a self employed contracter for sound, testing and a little bit of lite hacking and other tests that may become something I can afford/ need, however I doubt I will ever upgrade unnecessarily. Even if I have the cash which I don't. I am also in my 30s, if I had the cash who knows. The only thing I really want is a quad core with maybe 8-16gb ram, win 7 x64 and the ability to have hardware vertualisation so I could run vertual machines, heck maybe a linux or apple machine to but to be honest I only upgrade what I need. A friend just gave me their c005 nokia, and while its a bit stupid to get talks for that now eventually I may end up doing just that. I have not been as exposed to the fullness of the newer stuf as others have or have needed to move as fast as most have had to. in fact if security was not a major concern I could have stayed in the mud and not given a stiff such is the nature of my current project based work. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and
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just quickly on this, because I know its closing what do you think of react os it seems to have a lot going for it with its windows emulator but last time I checked reviews said accessability was practically null. Sadly while I have the system I could use to test this kind of junk, the time I'd need right now is not fitting in and when I have time I generally want to just blob but its one thing I want to get at eventually. At 04:36 a.m. 29/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Yes, I can well remember Lindows. It was a good concept in that the developers used Linux for the base OS, and developed a commercial Windows emulator for it to run most commercial Windows applications on it. Even though it was a good idea in concept there were a number of problems with it. First, they chose to use the name Lindows, which was too close to Windows, and Microsoft sued over copyright infringement. In the end they had to drop the name and call it Linspire. The Windows emulation also was found to be a copyright violation of some kind thus although Linspire is still around the lawsuit basically stripped the OS of whatever it had going for it as an alternative to Windows. Another key factor that lead to its downfall is the fact the company tried to essentially create a commercial version of Linux. For that reason they failed to grab a significant portion of the Linux market who by and large were already running free distributions. It is hard to convince people who are running free and open source software that they should buy it because it happens to have a better Windows emulator in it. Most Linux users didn't have or use Windows software so the built-in emulator was just an unnecessary added expense that they didn't need. Alot of Windows users didn't buy it, because Windows comes prepackaged with their computer. Thus Lindows would have been an additional expense for little benefit. In short, a good idea, but one that really didn't appeal to either the Linux or Windows markets. Being sued by Microsoft only insured an early demise for the product, and relegated it to oddball status. Accessibility issues aside Lindspire, as it is known now, has a very small market share with the mainstream computer user base. As far as your points about Linux. Its true that its biggest support came out of servers and mainframes, but it has slowly but surely been creeping into the mainstream PC user base. Certain distributions like Ubuntu were designed primarily for home users, average PC users, and try to compete equally with Windows on a equal footing. While they lag behind both Windows and Mac OS in market shares Ubuntu has been gaining ground slowly, and has gotten support from companies like Del who offer it on their laptops and desktop units for home or business machines. I might point out that it isn't just the poor and helpless as you call them who use Linux, but a fair cross section of the computer base. I suppose the main group of Linux users has been and seems to be techies. People like myself who do a lot of software design, who likes modifying software, and enjoys the freedom to play with the software some while also using it on a day today basis as a solid and reliable operating system. However, while being a large group of users they are by no means the only group that matters. Another group, one suited to this discussion, is gamers. Linux actually has a number of gamers who use the OS for gaming. While the majority of those games aren't accessible for the blind and low vision gamers they are satisfactory for mainstream PC gamers who use Linux. There are a number of emulators available for Linux such as SNES9x for playing Super NES games, Stella for playing Atari 2600 games, Dosemu for playing Dos games, etc which all serve to turn Linux into a virtual console for a variety of platforms. As a result Linux is often chosen as a gaming platform because of the number of free emulators available as well as free and open source games like Flight Gear, Frets on Fire, Lin City, Freeciv, and a number of other free games which are popular with some mainstream Linux gamers. Finally, there is the home and office sort of people who want a home office type setup, but don't want to put out a lot of money to do that. As a home office solution Linux excels at that task because it is designed for any sort of business weather it is small or large. If someone doesn't want to fork over $500 or more for Microsoft Office Professional Linux offers a choice between Libre Office and Open Office which are both free. Instead of paying for Microsoft Outlook which comes with MS Office Pro or which can be purchased as a stand alone Linux comes with Evolution which is a similar product for a fraction of the cost. I could probably point out other cost savings, but the fact is if someone is equipping a home or office for business software they can and do save money by using a Linux based solution. Its not just the poor and helpless but people with
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
its true no screen reader will work at all with it. it is completely inaccessible not even worth trying. On 10/28/2014 3:18 PM, shaun everiss wrote: just quickly on this, because I know its closing what do you think of react os it seems to have a lot going for it with its windows emulator but last time I checked reviews said accessability was practically null. Sadly while I have the system I could use to test this kind of junk, the time I'd need right now is not fitting in and when I have time I generally want to just blob but its one thing I want to get at eventually. At 04:36 a.m. 29/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Yes, I can well remember Lindows. It was a good concept in that the developers used Linux for the base OS, and developed a commercial Windows emulator for it to run most commercial Windows applications on it. Even though it was a good idea in concept there were a number of problems with it. First, they chose to use the name Lindows, which was too close to Windows, and Microsoft sued over copyright infringement. In the end they had to drop the name and call it Linspire. The Windows emulation also was found to be a copyright violation of some kind thus although Linspire is still around the lawsuit basically stripped the OS of whatever it had going for it as an alternative to Windows. Another key factor that lead to its downfall is the fact the company tried to essentially create a commercial version of Linux. For that reason they failed to grab a significant portion of the Linux market who by and large were already running free distributions. It is hard to convince people who are running free and open source software that they should buy it because it happens to have a better Windows emulator in it. Most Linux users didn't have or use Windows software so the built-in emulator was just an unnecessary added expense that they didn't need. Alot of Windows users didn't buy it, because Windows comes prepackaged with their computer. Thus Lindows would have been an additional expense for little benefit. In short, a good idea, but one that really didn't appeal to either the Linux or Windows markets. Being sued by Microsoft only insured an early demise for the product, and relegated it to oddball status. Accessibility issues aside Lindspire, as it is known now, has a very small market share with the mainstream computer user base. As far as your points about Linux. Its true that its biggest support came out of servers and mainframes, but it has slowly but surely been creeping into the mainstream PC user base. Certain distributions like Ubuntu were designed primarily for home users, average PC users, and try to compete equally with Windows on a equal footing. While they lag behind both Windows and Mac OS in market shares Ubuntu has been gaining ground slowly, and has gotten support from companies like Del who offer it on their laptops and desktop units for home or business machines. I might point out that it isn't just the poor and helpless as you call them who use Linux, but a fair cross section of the computer base. I suppose the main group of Linux users has been and seems to be techies. People like myself who do a lot of software design, who likes modifying software, and enjoys the freedom to play with the software some while also using it on a day today basis as a solid and reliable operating system. However, while being a large group of users they are by no means the only group that matters. Another group, one suited to this discussion, is gamers. Linux actually has a number of gamers who use the OS for gaming. While the majority of those games aren't accessible for the blind and low vision gamers they are satisfactory for mainstream PC gamers who use Linux. There are a number of emulators available for Linux such as SNES9x for playing Super NES games, Stella for playing Atari 2600 games, Dosemu for playing Dos games, etc which all serve to turn Linux into a virtual console for a variety of platforms. As a result Linux is often chosen as a gaming platform because of the number of free emulators available as well as free and open source games like Flight Gear, Frets on Fire, Lin City, Freeciv, and a number of other free games which are popular with some mainstream Linux gamers. Finally, there is the home and office sort of people who want a home office type setup, but don't want to put out a lot of money to do that. As a home office solution Linux excels at that task because it is designed for any sort of business weather it is small or large. If someone doesn't want to fork over $500 or more for Microsoft Office Professional Linux offers a choice between Libre Office and Open Office which are both free. Instead of paying for Microsoft Outlook which comes with MS Office Pro or which can be purchased as a stand alone Linux comes with Evolution which is a similar product for a fraction of the cost. I could probably point out other cost savings, but the fact is if someone is equipping
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Hi Shaun, Well, I have no personal experience with React OS so can't really comment on it. All I can say is a lot of emulated software isn't accessible by design, and as such I wouldn't be surprised to hear it isn't accessible. Basically, my opinion is if it isn't accessible to me I have no use for it. Cheers! On 10/28/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: just quickly on this, because I know its closing what do you think of react os it seems to have a lot going for it with its windows emulator but last time I checked reviews said accessability was practically null. Sadly while I have the system I could use to test this kind of junk, the time I'd need right now is not fitting in and when I have time I generally want to just blob but its one thing I want to get at eventually. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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On that point I agree. Eventually a change will happen for me but its probably not as fast, heck I hope it happens soon because if that does happen it means I will get more employment or something that will warrent this. Right now I am essentually standing still mostly and the change for me will be minimal but your point is valid none the less. At 04:53 a.m. 29/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, I think you have missed my point. The word need isn't the operative word here. Its a more a matter of change is inevitable weather you want to or not. What you want or what you need is often times as changing as the technology itself. For example, right now all you want or need is a decent Windows 7 machine, with say 8 GB of RAM, and a quad core processor. Nothing wrong with that given your current circumstances. However, I foresee a day down the road where that computer dies, perhaps the capacitors on the motherboard bite the dust, and then you need to begin thinking about a replacement. Is it worth your money to try and get the old machine fixed or simply replace the hardware and software in one go? My point being your needs will change, and while you don't have a need right now I think as time goes on your needs will change and other options may seem like good options at that time. I think basing your plans of the future, on upgrading or not upgrading, based exclusively on current circumstances is very short sighted. If there is one constant in life is everything is always changing and the best person to meet that change is someone who is willing to let go of the past and move on. Cheers! On 10/26/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: and maybe thats my problem right there mate. While there is a lot of new tech coming out, there is no need for me to actually move with the times. While I do go on about my tech work, most of it is fixing systems at home, testing software and a few other things. 90% of my work is done online or at least on site. I don't usually need any complex reports to do so I don't even have an updated or legal coppy of office which is not 10 years old. As a result of this and the fact most stuff is via email or sms I don't even have a phone that needs to be even half as updated as I do. in fact if things didn't get insecure I could continue with win98 or even dos quite happily. well maybe not win 98 or dos but sertainly win2000 or xp. For the work I do offsite and its not much, i use the device thats there. My upgrades are usually performance, security to the minimal specs or because its required. Which was why I didn't upgrade jaws, though if I went to work jaws is what is expected for business so I'd have to keep that updated. yunger people are using braille dvices and other things, but with what I do right now, I really don't need that much. Ofcause as I build myself up here and online as a self employed contracter for sound, testing and a little bit of lite hacking and other tests that may become something I can afford/ need, however I doubt I will ever upgrade unnecessarily. Even if I have the cash which I don't. I am also in my 30s, if I had the cash who knows. The only thing I really want is a quad core with maybe 8-16gb ram, win 7 x64 and the ability to have hardware vertualisation so I could run vertual machines, heck maybe a linux or apple machine to but to be honest I only upgrade what I need. A friend just gave me their c005 nokia, and while its a bit stupid to get talks for that now eventually I may end up doing just that. I have not been as exposed to the fullness of the newer stuf as others have or have needed to move as fast as most have had to. in fact if security was not a major concern I could have stayed in the mud and not given a stiff such is the nature of my current project based work. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Not only that tom, I remember someone trrying to marry windows emulation with a linux distro calling it lindows. Ms felt threatened by using something almost the same as windows and so did what ms likes to do when its threatened. the result was the name was changed but aparently the os then took a downward trend and within a few months went off the radar entirely. Linux well unix has been a server and dev os its never been meant for a home user mainstream os at least not if you have big comercial stuff which is not opensource. Now if we were all poor and helpless like india then its not so bad but we never started with linux, and the comercial companies and in fact market have grown round a windows based environment. Its why I havn't gone full bore with linux, while I will eventually possibly have a device dedicated to doing so, with the nature of my work I physically can not go linux and ditch all my windows stuff. I brought for the windows market back when I was yunger. If I wasjust starting out, it would be the mac and linux market and not the windows one, but most of my stuff in fact just about everything I own requires that windows and only windows is used. At 12:12 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Josh, Sadly that is not going to happen. While I am a big Linux proponent I also realize the majority of the world's developers won't touch Linux for a number of reasons. Some of them are down right due to licensing issues that essentially bars commercial developers from the platform. For example, the GPL is fine if a developer is willing to develop his or her software as free and open source, but if not the GPL because a cosmic pain in the butt for a commercial company. Let's say a developer wants to port some commercial program from Windows to Linux and sell it. However, a number of the libraries he or she needs to use are licensed under the GPL. They either have to release their software as open source, the same as the libraries, or have to write commercial libraries free of the GPL. Since nobody wants to do a lot of work rewriting libraries and if they are in the business to make money they won't release their software as open source. So right their Linux has shot itself in the foot by attracting commercial developers just by having too much of its libraries and core dependencies under the GPL. Another key problem for developers is market share. There are many people world wide running Linux, but they are fragmented, not unified, because they all use different distributions of Linux. As it result it makes it painful to create and distribute any piece of software that will safely run on all distributions of Linux. If a developer says he or she is only going to support say Ubuntu they are ignoring potentially millions of potential consumers by not supporting Fedora, Arch, Slackware, and so on as well. It makes it very impractical to market a product when one is dealing with upward of a hundred different versions of the same operating system. Fortunately, for a target group such as the VI gaming community it isn't quite that bad. I already know that most VI users are probably running Ubuntu or a Ubuntu derivative like Ubuntu Gnome, Vinux, etc or they have Arch or Fedora. That helps narrow the field somewhat and it would be possible to develop audio games for the majority of blind Linux gamers. Not so if one is a big company selling to the mainstream. The point here is that we are dealing with fragmentation and that is generally bad when a company is trying to develop software for a large number of consumers that could be running one of potentially hundreds of distributions of the same software. Its impossible to test them all or directly support them all. That is why a lot of Linux software comes in source format so if there isn't a specific build for your platform you can create a build yourself. If there isn't source available it puts the onus on the developer to create builds for a specific Linux platform if problems are encountered with the generic build. That said, I have been looking at this problem, and there may be a way to minimize the problem. by using something like Mono it might be possible to have a .NET application for Linux that is a build once run everywhere type of product. However, I have no idea how reliable that is across multiple versions and distributions of Linux since I haven't seen a lot of software for Linux actually use Mono. Bottom line, if you think everything is going to switch over to Linux in our life time you are dreaming. I don't believe that is going to happen because it is not in the best interests of most companies. You'd have better luck betting on Apple's Mac OS X being the next big thing. On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I
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Well if it did who knows. I think the big thing is that whoever takes over needs to be as good as the big ms corp. Ms usually sues whoever it is to death first or manages to et buy, also since just about everyone or at least quite a lot of us in the western reagon at least rely or use windows in a large part right now you can't just pull the plug. At 01:58 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: or if google made a version of android for the desktop and android took over all platforms. On 10/26/2014 7:12 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Sadly that is not going to happen. While I am a big Linux proponent I also realize the majority of the world's developers won't touch Linux for a number of reasons. Some of them are down right due to licensing issues that essentially bars commercial developers from the platform. For example, the GPL is fine if a developer is willing to develop his or her software as free and open source, but if not the GPL because a cosmic pain in the butt for a commercial company. Let's say a developer wants to port some commercial program from Windows to Linux and sell it. However, a number of the libraries he or she needs to use are licensed under the GPL. They either have to release their software as open source, the same as the libraries, or have to write commercial libraries free of the GPL. Since nobody wants to do a lot of work rewriting libraries and if they are in the business to make money they won't release their software as open source. So right their Linux has shot itself in the foot by attracting commercial developers just by having too much of its libraries and core dependencies under the GPL. Another key problem for developers is market share. There are many people world wide running Linux, but they are fragmented, not unified, because they all use different distributions of Linux. As it result it makes it painful to create and distribute any piece of software that will safely run on all distributions of Linux. If a developer says he or she is only going to support say Ubuntu they are ignoring potentially millions of potential consumers by not supporting Fedora, Arch, Slackware, and so on as well. It makes it very impractical to market a product when one is dealing with upward of a hundred different versions of the same operating system. Fortunately, for a target group such as the VI gaming community it isn't quite that bad. I already know that most VI users are probably running Ubuntu or a Ubuntu derivative like Ubuntu Gnome, Vinux, etc or they have Arch or Fedora. That helps narrow the field somewhat and it would be possible to develop audio games for the majority of blind Linux gamers. Not so if one is a big company selling to the mainstream. The point here is that we are dealing with fragmentation and that is generally bad when a company is trying to develop software for a large number of consumers that could be running one of potentially hundreds of distributions of the same software. Its impossible to test them all or directly support them all. That is why a lot of Linux software comes in source format so if there isn't a specific build for your platform you can create a build yourself. If there isn't source available it puts the onus on the developer to create builds for a specific Linux platform if problems are encountered with the generic build. That said, I have been looking at this problem, and there may be a way to minimize the problem. by using something like Mono it might be possible to have a .NET application for Linux that is a build once run everywhere type of product. However, I have no idea how reliable that is across multiple versions and distributions of Linux since I haven't seen a lot of software for Linux actually use Mono. Bottom line, if you think everything is going to switch over to Linux in our life time you are dreaming. I don't believe that is going to happen because it is not in the best interests of most companies. You'd have better luck betting on Apple's Mac OS X being the next big thing. On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I want to run windows I'll run windows xp or windows7 in a vm on the ubuntu host until everything is all switched over. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
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Hmmm well technically it is already, just about everything is stored somewhere and it can be accessed online. I just want control where stuff goes but I guess if you are a user of a flash based device without any external hard drive or always moving then that would be something you would want. I'd never run it all from the cloud at least not everything I own though. At 05:15 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: I will never want critical info such as bank info in the cloud. On 10/25/2014 3:21 PM, shaun everiss wrote: I agree, I'd like to control where my data is saved, I do have a few things in the cloud but nothing critical. I just want to know where I put some of my stuff. At 06:55 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: I like having my local account! if I were an IT manager and if I were running a company I would not save stuff in the cloud I would want it where I know I could get at it. backups in the cloud? maybe if they were super secure. primary employee stuff would be local. and if I ran a company an ms kept messing up my company would switch over to ubuntu. Ubuntu is in the top 10 linux distributions on distrowatch.com . On 10/25/2014 3:06 AM, shaun everiss wrote: Well hopefully from a tech standpoint I won't have to upgrade at least 2 of the units here for at least another 5 or 6 years. And to be honest unless one of them breaks I am not sure if I will upgrade for some time to come. I know for a fact that several people on the network are retiring in the next 2 or so years and that will change slightly the use of at least 1 of the computers. I am not sure how much change that will mean as there will continue to be a lot of business stuff on there but point is, the funds I will have after the next 2 years or so will not really be that great. I doubt for instance that next time I upgrade it will be because windows is out of support, more likely it will be because my laptop battery has exploded or something. Thing is for the last 3-4 upgrades either I have needed it or the systems in question are broken or have not been upgraded for some time. With one acception every user is happy with their level of power. In short ms will need to really convince people to switch, I know for example that 7 is the last os that doesn't need a ms account to login. 10 now its the only way to use the system and I am sure that later oses will not have local account either. At 01:15 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
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Yes it does how ever I don't have a system myself with that processer and memmory or hardware vertualisation which is needed for things to run really ast, sadly on this laptop which is an i5 duel I have tried alocating memmory up to half what I have at times and 1 or 2 of my 4 cores but no matter how much or how little I dedicate the vertual os runs slower than the host os. At 03:00 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Each to their own of course, but I think the thing you are overlooking is choice. By running Linux as a host and Windows as a guest OS through a virtual machine you get the advantage of both operating systems on the same machine. Can in fact run both at the same time given enough processor power and memory. That has tremendous advantages over just running a single OS like Windows on its own. First, is the issue of security. It is a well known fact that Linux is much more secure than Windows on many levels. Less issues with viruses, spyware, worms, etc. Better multi-user design, better handling of user permissions, login and authentication, etc. Bottom line, it makes a great stable platform to run one or more virtual machines from because it is less likely than Windows to be infected or cracked by outside security breaches. Second, is cost of everyday applications. A decent Linux distribution such as Ubuntu comes with all the basic applications one would want or need such as Firefox for web browsing, Thunderbird for e-mail, Gedit for notetaking, Libre Office for office documents, Totem for music and movies, etc. In short, a person can have a bunch of everyday software for free, and get updates as soon as they become available. This allows the user to use their Windows virtual machine for commercial software not available for Linux such as audio games, expensive sound/video editors, or anything else they need to use which is not available for Linux. Its the best of both worlds as far as I concerned. In my opinion the oh hum everybody uses Windows attitude only restricts the end user to one and one option. They either have to pay expensive prices to upgrade their Windows software from time to time, or they stick with their old tech until it falls apart. Neither is particularly wise considering there are other options available. Ignoring those other options because they are less popular than the most popular OS going only serves to limit your freedom of choice. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I'd switch but I have so many windows apps I'd have to run a vm of xp or something and if thats the case I may as well continue with windows pluss being an admin everyone uses windows. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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and maybe thats my problem right there mate. While there is a lot of new tech coming out, there is no need for me to actually move with the times. While I do go on about my tech work, most of it is fixing systems at home, testing software and a few other things. 90% of my work is done online or at least on site. I don't usually need any complex reports to do so I don't even have an updated or legal coppy of office which is not 10 years old. As a result of this and the fact most stuff is via email or sms I don't even have a phone that needs to be even half as updated as I do. in fact if things didn't get insecure I could continue with win98 or even dos quite happily. well maybe not win 98 or dos but sertainly win2000 or xp. For the work I do offsite and its not much, i use the device thats there. My upgrades are usually performance, security to the minimal specs or because its required. Which was why I didn't upgrade jaws, though if I went to work jaws is what is expected for business so I'd have to keep that updated. yunger people are using braille dvices and other things, but with what I do right now, I really don't need that much. Ofcause as I build myself up here and online as a self employed contracter for sound, testing and a little bit of lite hacking and other tests that may become something I can afford/ need, however I doubt I will ever upgrade unnecessarily. Even if I have the cash which I don't. I am also in my 30s, if I had the cash who knows. The only thing I really want is a quad core with maybe 8-16gb ram, win 7 x64 and the ability to have hardware vertualisation so I could run vertual machines, heck maybe a linux or apple machine to but to be honest I only upgrade what I need. A friend just gave me their c005 nokia, and while its a bit stupid to get talks for that now eventually I may end up doing just that. I have not been as exposed to the fullness of the newer stuf as others have or have needed to move as fast as most have had to. in fact if security was not a major concern I could have stayed in the mud and not given a stiff such is the nature of my current project based work. At 02:34 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, While I can identify with newer tech being alien, strange to someone who is use to something else, the fact of the matter is people need to be flexible. Need to learn to roll with the change, because new tech is always coming out and it isn't wise to get use to any particular technology as it can and will change at some point. I am a man in his mid 30's and I can say much has changed between when I started school and now. When I was in elementary school the greatest thing was the Apple II-E. A lot of people who could afford one had one, and those who didn't could use one at school which I did. Now days a person's iPhone is light years ahead of anything we had in the mid 80's, and I foresee a day in the not too distant future where desktops, laptops, etc will be more or less a thing of the past. Most people will probably have tablets running iOS, Android, or Windows. computers as we understand them now will be reserved for businesses where it would be impractical to type via touchscreen or run a computer for 8 to 12 hours a day in an office. So it seems to me to be prudent to begin thinking about that change and preparing for it by learning those skills now rather than later. As far as anyone thinking keyboards suck that sounds to me that person is pretty narrow minded. While touchscreens are nice and handy different input methods are available precisely because they are better at different things. Its not a case of either/or but a case of use the input method that does the best job at the time. Nobody is going to want to write a 500 page novel on a touchscreen, in fact would be a bit crazy, but is no problem on a keyboard. Likewise there is no argument that touchscreens are freer nice because they are like having a mouse and keyboard in one device, allowing movement around the screen, and are perfectly suited to browsing information, selecting a phone number from an addressbook, for pointing to screen elements and activating them, but are lousy at large amounts of input such as writing a novel. Only a stupid ignorant sod would say one input method is better than the other without first considering the use it is being put to. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I agree josh, I had to do for a customer a general cleanout of windows and update and install of some major systems. I also had to run a couple clearout programs which I did overnight. I did not like win8, and while I was able with a bit of help get win 8.1 up, I worked through the night to get the system ready for a morning pickup,, because although I could have kept it for a wek or 2 win 8 really didn't settle with me and I wanted to get it out of the door asap! My cousin has had issues with his net and whenever that happens, and he can
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Well pro is what most should be striving to, it has more network stuff and more features, everyone here uses pro everything no one uses home anymore but most of the family does business related stuff including me. At 01:55 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: if I have to I'll get a business license just so I can get the professional version of windows but really I think anyone can go get windows pro if they wish. its a bit more to buy but is worth it I think. On 10/26/2014 6:46 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Honestly, I have no idea. However, I'll just say that the pro/business class software businesses use is and has always been different from what the home users get. You know that the home version is often lacking features that pro, business, and ultimate has. My guess is when it comes to Microsoft accounts businesses may get some sort of break or slightly different policy than the usual home version that ships on laptops and desktop machines. However, that is just a guess on my part. Cheers! On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: and do you really think businesses are gunna want to use microsoft accounts for everything? I would not. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well I do think there will still be a place for the pc or at least a stationary console of whatever but it depends what you do. A friend I have and several family have a computer but hardly update or even use it as they are on tablets. I will never get a desktop or at least not right now a laptop/ epc is always what I like. But the concept of a computer is changing so who knows. At 02:43 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Not sure what you mean by on the go but I do agree a massive migration to Linux won't happen. If anything people should be looking at other markets where Microsoft is getting its butt kicked by Apple and Google in the phone and tablet market. I look for that to largely replace the PC market in the next few years, and its not hard to see most people using a tablet rather than a laptop mainly do to convenience. Unless Microsoft comes up with something truly new and revolutionary the next mainstream OS will be iOS or Android. Right now we are in a transitional phase. A lot of people have both. They have their desktop or their laptop running some flavor of Windows, and have either a phone or tablet running some mobile OS like Android or iOS. Sooner or later I look for the balance to shift towards the mobile market since it isn't really necessary to own a laptop to read e-mail, browse the web, listen to music, or read someone's favorite e-books. All of those things can be easily performed on most phones and tablets, and it only makes sense the market will shift in that direction sooner or later. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: won't happen, a lot of mainstream people use ms and that is where the issues lie. a lot of the world is on the go but there is the smaller nitch who is not necessarily on the go. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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If I switched I would have an apple of apple stuff and my phone on a an android though to be honest windows 10 is supposed to be on phones to and if it works as well who knows I am not sure. At 06:30 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: well if I must switch to a tablet I'll go with android before apple just because android is more open like linux and windows. On 10/26/2014 9:43 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, Not sure what you mean by on the go but I do agree a massive migration to Linux won't happen. If anything people should be looking at other markets where Microsoft is getting its butt kicked by Apple and Google in the phone and tablet market. I look for that to largely replace the PC market in the next few years, and its not hard to see most people using a tablet rather than a laptop mainly do to convenience. Unless Microsoft comes up with something truly new and revolutionary the next mainstream OS will be iOS or Android. Right now we are in a transitional phase. A lot of people have both. They have their desktop or their laptop running some flavor of Windows, and have either a phone or tablet running some mobile OS like Android or iOS. Sooner or later I look for the balance to shift towards the mobile market since it isn't really necessary to own a laptop to read e-mail, browse the web, listen to music, or read someone's favorite e-books. All of those things can be easily performed on most phones and tablets, and it only makes sense the market will shift in that direction sooner or later. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: won't happen, a lot of mainstream people use ms and that is where the issues lie. a lot of the world is on the go but there is the smaller nitch who is not necessarily on the go. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I have heard someone type faster than on a keyboard, one of my ffriends can type a document on a tablet watch tv and chat to me all at once not sure how he does it so it can be done but not my cup of tea. At 06:16 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Josh, Well, the speed and accuracy of typing on a touchscreen depends on the person. I have heard of some people who can type almost as fast on their touch device as a standard keyboard. So I'm not sure if I'd completely agree with your statement that it is slow. Certainly for a lot of people, but not necessarily for everyone. I might add that a person could write a paper for a class on their touch device, but I do agree it could get frustrating. They aren't designed for touch typing long documents of any kind and that is why blue tooth keyboards and so on exists. Sooner or later a person will need a keyboard for extended data entry and it can be done on tablets and phones provided they have a keyboard available for the device. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: try typing a paper on a touch screen for college or writing reports. it won't work and will frustrate you because typing on touch screen is slow. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I agree josh, I think there will be keyboards even if they have to be external. They may be flatter or something but I garentee that the board will still exist though they may be touch or probably button style buttons and not push in keys. One thing that has not been covered here is voice recognition, and my brother who has rsi uses it for just about everything in his life as without it he wouldn't be able to use a computer for long periods without his hands aking. For the blind, who do need keyboards though we can use touch for somethings who knows. Not all touch apps are accessable right now and there are a lot more keyboard stuff than touch but that may change. At 05:14 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: try typing a paper on a touch screen for college or writing reports. it won't work and will frustrate you because typing on touch screen is slow. On 10/25/2014 3:19 PM, shaun everiss wrote: I agree josh, I had to do for a customer a general cleanout of windows and update and install of some major systems. I also had to run a couple clearout programs which I did overnight. I did not like win8, and while I was able with a bit of help get win 8.1 up, I worked through the night to get the system ready for a morning pickup,, because although I could have kept it for a wek or 2 win 8 really didn't settle with me and I wanted to get it out of the door asap! My cousin has had issues with his net and whenever that happens, and he can not log in he has no system access till he can get the networking which is why I really don't like the idea of an net account as my primary login without a fallback. that and the fact that after all the stories on us cert, about nas storage hacks, ssl3 hacks and online cloud hacks that I could be online unnecessarily. On this 7 box while I am online, I don't need to login to be online, in fact I can be offline full stop! if I do get this win8 or 10 or whatever I get next, then when I make the system go I will make sure that I turn off my router before installing for the first time. It seems the easiest way to get round making an ms account. i also don't like all my info just sitting there for any person to access and me not being in control. in 7 at least I can shut everything off delete all ms live files and say I don't want to be online. When I do all my payed work and other things, no drop box, no bt sync, no messenger no mail, nothing, when my nose hits that grindstone I don't want distractions at all! And that will include live tiles, its probable that I will end up with something like classic shell with win7 or xp start menu loaded and whatever classic adjustments I can get with a local account though I will be missing out on a lot of store features and metro apps its not like I hav needed them up to now, and I have used a desktop for the last 20 years this way though I can see the potentual for the newer people that start its the same with the iphone, etc, I have never used a tablet so don't know what I am missing,. and since I have inherited another phone as long as I can spend the large load of cash on talks its probably what I will end up doing though I have used a tablet once and can see why people like it. Its all what you grow up with and I am sure if i was born now, that I'd think the keyboard a bunch of crap and that I like touch, however I was round when it was all keyboards and touch devices are as forign to me as aliens and I have no need to actually use one right now, maybe that will change. At 06:52 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: I don't or i should say I did not like windows8.1 at all when I had it on this computer, because it would not run my windows xp virtual machine at all. it ran but audio was slow and it was buggy as ever. audio was so choppy it was completely unuseable. so I went back to windows7. now everything works better. microsoft better listen to their customers or I'll switch over to ubuntu linux and run windows xp in a vm on there. On 10/25/2014 2:58 AM, shaun everiss wrote: well I don't think they can just stop producing 7 just like that, all the boxes we have are on 7, and while there is a market for it pc manufacturers will still release drivers till at least support for updates ends. thats not for another 5 years. Even if ms stops drivver library support most drivers for ms are generic ones anyway. As well as this because of the 8x disaster ms really needs to make sure that their new os works this time, right now it looks ok but there is always a chance to wreck it later. To be honest if xp didn't drop outside support I'd continue using it and now it appears they are trying to make vertuals with xp not work in 8 and up put it this way I have no desire to even think of upgrading. At 07:24 p.m. 24/10/2014, you wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks
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well not sure about apple but with android people will manage to get it right some day. On an interesting note, a tech who works with me on some project tried to run everything from his tablet, he found at least with his apple with a word procsser even with pages or office that it was hard to type with touch and slwer than a pc, it was more convenient to do any really big things on his pc. Tablets wil have their place and they may take over the small and medium tasks in our lives, but it will be a while before everything gets as farast that it will not matter what you use anymore. maybe in a few hundred years we may see this but right now the keyboard is still needed. At 06:36 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: also talkback and voiceover on the tablets will need to get a lot better. for papers and work and school they will need powerful features such as those you find in Jaws for windows. On 10/26/2014 1:16 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Well, the speed and accuracy of typing on a touchscreen depends on the person. I have heard of some people who can type almost as fast on their touch device as a standard keyboard. So I'm not sure if I'd completely agree with your statement that it is slow. Certainly for a lot of people, but not necessarily for everyone. I might add that a person could write a paper for a class on their touch device, but I do agree it could get frustrating. They aren't designed for touch typing long documents of any kind and that is why blue tooth keyboards and so on exists. Sooner or later a person will need a keyboard for extended data entry and it can be done on tablets and phones provided they have a keyboard available for the device. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: try typing a paper on a touch screen for college or writing reports. it won't work and will frustrate you because typing on touch screen is slow. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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a lot of controlers are bluetooth these days, keyboards to, and some tablets will have usb ports may not apple but the rest who knows. As long as we can plug a usb device in it will be ok. And as for the other I think there will always be a market for a traditional interface of a sort. Look at windows 8, businesses are big users of windows and didn't like tablet interfaces so even if everyone uses tablets there will be a place for the old board look at my other message about speech recognition though, its getting bigger. At 06:29 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? On 10/26/2014 9:34 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, While I can identify with newer tech being alien, strange to someone who is use to something else, the fact of the matter is people need to be flexible. Need to learn to roll with the change, because new tech is always coming out and it isn't wise to get use to any particular technology as it can and will change at some point. I am a man in his mid 30's and I can say much has changed between when I started school and now. When I was in elementary school the greatest thing was the Apple II-E. A lot of people who could afford one had one, and those who didn't could use one at school which I did. Now days a person's iPhone is light years ahead of anything we had in the mid 80's, and I foresee a day in the not too distant future where desktops, laptops, etc will be more or less a thing of the past. Most people will probably have tablets running iOS, Android, or Windows. computers as we understand them now will be reserved for businesses where it would be impractical to type via touchscreen or run a computer for 8 to 12 hours a day in an office. So it seems to me to be prudent to begin thinking about that change and preparing for it by learning those skills now rather than later. As far as anyone thinking keyboards suck that sounds to me that person is pretty narrow minded. While touchscreens are nice and handy different input methods are available precisely because they are better at different things. Its not a case of either/or but a case of use the input method that does the best job at the time. Nobody is going to want to write a 500 page novel on a touchscreen, in fact would be a bit crazy, but is no problem on a keyboard. Likewise there is no argument that touchscreens are freer nice because they are like having a mouse and keyboard in one device, allowing movement around the screen, and are perfectly suited to browsing information, selecting a phone number from an addressbook, for pointing to screen elements and activating them, but are lousy at large amounts of input such as writing a novel. Only a stupid ignorant sod would say one input method is better than the other without first considering the use it is being put to. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I agree josh, I had to do for a customer a general cleanout of windows and update and install of some major systems. I also had to run a couple clearout programs which I did overnight. I did not like win8, and while I was able with a bit of help get win 8.1 up, I worked through the night to get the system ready for a morning pickup,, because although I could have kept it for a wek or 2 win 8 really didn't settle with me and I wanted to get it out of the door asap! My cousin has had issues with his net and whenever that happens, and he can not log in he has no system access till he can get the networking which is why I really don't like the idea of an net account as my primary login without a fallback. that and the fact that after all the stories on us cert, about nas storage hacks, ssl3 hacks and online cloud hacks that I could be online unnecessarily. On this 7 box while I am online, I don't need to login to be online, in fact I can be offline full stop! if I do get this win8 or 10 or whatever I get next, then when I make the system go I will make sure that I turn off my router before installing for the first time. It seems the easiest way to get round making an ms account. i also don't like all my info just sitting there for any person to access and me not being in control. in 7 at least I can shut everything off delete all ms live files and say I don't want to be online. When I do all my payed work and other things, no drop box, no bt sync, no messenger no mail, nothing, when my nose hits that grindstone I don't want distractions at all! And that will include live tiles, its probable that I will end up with something like classic shell with win7 or xp start menu loaded and whatever classic adjustments I can get with a local account though I will be missing out
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well one technology I have heard about but not sceen is a device that will use projected light to put up a keyboard onto a screen touch or a blackboard not much usefull for us but aparently whatever you type can be stored on that device, that device can access printers and such later on. you can use it to write like with a pen. a computer that small is possible not for us but still. Ofcause all this new tech will need to drop in price for us to afford it. And with all this new stuff will be a rubbish market with all the crap no one wants which will include yesterdays tech which to be honest we will use. that will not run out for a while and by the time it does we should either have things so it works for us or have the ability to design and sell our own stuff and make our own cash. At 08:15 a.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Josh, I imagine for students they will write their reports and other lengthy documents by voice dictation or by using a blue tooth keyboard. I doubt they'll do so using a touchscreen and will choose to use some alternate input method for doing their school work on a tablet. As for hard core gamers they'll probably continue to use dedicated consoles like XBox, Play Station, Wii, etc for games. Tablets have games, but nothing on par with what is available for the console. Even so there are ways to use your iPhone and iPad with a large TV screen so if someone really wants to they can use their TV etc as a monitor rather than depending on the built in screen for gaming. As for virtual machines and tablets dream on. They aren't designed for that sort of thing. Never were, and I doubt ever will. They have limited storage capacity, don't have enough RAM and CPU power for virtual machines, and I just don't see people doing that unless they absolutely had to. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Shaun, Yes, I can well remember Lindows. It was a good concept in that the developers used Linux for the base OS, and developed a commercial Windows emulator for it to run most commercial Windows applications on it. Even though it was a good idea in concept there were a number of problems with it. First, they chose to use the name Lindows, which was too close to Windows, and Microsoft sued over copyright infringement. In the end they had to drop the name and call it Linspire. The Windows emulation also was found to be a copyright violation of some kind thus although Linspire is still around the lawsuit basically stripped the OS of whatever it had going for it as an alternative to Windows. Another key factor that lead to its downfall is the fact the company tried to essentially create a commercial version of Linux. For that reason they failed to grab a significant portion of the Linux market who by and large were already running free distributions. It is hard to convince people who are running free and open source software that they should buy it because it happens to have a better Windows emulator in it. Most Linux users didn't have or use Windows software so the built-in emulator was just an unnecessary added expense that they didn't need. Alot of Windows users didn't buy it, because Windows comes prepackaged with their computer. Thus Lindows would have been an additional expense for little benefit. In short, a good idea, but one that really didn't appeal to either the Linux or Windows markets. Being sued by Microsoft only insured an early demise for the product, and relegated it to oddball status. Accessibility issues aside Lindspire, as it is known now, has a very small market share with the mainstream computer user base. As far as your points about Linux. Its true that its biggest support came out of servers and mainframes, but it has slowly but surely been creeping into the mainstream PC user base. Certain distributions like Ubuntu were designed primarily for home users, average PC users, and try to compete equally with Windows on a equal footing. While they lag behind both Windows and Mac OS in market shares Ubuntu has been gaining ground slowly, and has gotten support from companies like Del who offer it on their laptops and desktop units for home or business machines. I might point out that it isn't just the poor and helpless as you call them who use Linux, but a fair cross section of the computer base. I suppose the main group of Linux users has been and seems to be techies. People like myself who do a lot of software design, who likes modifying software, and enjoys the freedom to play with the software some while also using it on a day today basis as a solid and reliable operating system. However, while being a large group of users they are by no means the only group that matters. Another group, one suited to this discussion, is gamers. Linux actually has a number of gamers who use the OS for gaming. While the majority of those games aren't accessible for the blind and low vision gamers they are satisfactory for mainstream PC gamers who use Linux. There are a number of emulators available for Linux such as SNES9x for playing Super NES games, Stella for playing Atari 2600 games, Dosemu for playing Dos games, etc which all serve to turn Linux into a virtual console for a variety of platforms. As a result Linux is often chosen as a gaming platform because of the number of free emulators available as well as free and open source games like Flight Gear, Frets on Fire, Lin City, Freeciv, and a number of other free games which are popular with some mainstream Linux gamers. Finally, there is the home and office sort of people who want a home office type setup, but don't want to put out a lot of money to do that. As a home office solution Linux excels at that task because it is designed for any sort of business weather it is small or large. If someone doesn't want to fork over $500 or more for Microsoft Office Professional Linux offers a choice between Libre Office and Open Office which are both free. Instead of paying for Microsoft Outlook which comes with MS Office Pro or which can be purchased as a stand alone Linux comes with Evolution which is a similar product for a fraction of the cost. I could probably point out other cost savings, but the fact is if someone is equipping a home or office for business software they can and do save money by using a Linux based solution. Its not just the poor and helpless but people with legitimate business needs who use it as well. Same could be said for students. It costs a lot of money to go to college, especially if someone is paying their own way, and purchasing a lot of Windows software isn't a real option for them. I have helped college students get alternatives to Windows products without them paying a dime for the software. Things like Open Office are a god send to people who can't afford Microsoft's office suite. Just assuming Linux users are
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Hi Shaun, I think you have missed my point. The word need isn't the operative word here. Its a more a matter of change is inevitable weather you want to or not. What you want or what you need is often times as changing as the technology itself. For example, right now all you want or need is a decent Windows 7 machine, with say 8 GB of RAM, and a quad core processor. Nothing wrong with that given your current circumstances. However, I foresee a day down the road where that computer dies, perhaps the capacitors on the motherboard bite the dust, and then you need to begin thinking about a replacement. Is it worth your money to try and get the old machine fixed or simply replace the hardware and software in one go? My point being your needs will change, and while you don't have a need right now I think as time goes on your needs will change and other options may seem like good options at that time. I think basing your plans of the future, on upgrading or not upgrading, based exclusively on current circumstances is very short sighted. If there is one constant in life is everything is always changing and the best person to meet that change is someone who is willing to let go of the past and move on. Cheers! On 10/26/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: and maybe thats my problem right there mate. While there is a lot of new tech coming out, there is no need for me to actually move with the times. While I do go on about my tech work, most of it is fixing systems at home, testing software and a few other things. 90% of my work is done online or at least on site. I don't usually need any complex reports to do so I don't even have an updated or legal coppy of office which is not 10 years old. As a result of this and the fact most stuff is via email or sms I don't even have a phone that needs to be even half as updated as I do. in fact if things didn't get insecure I could continue with win98 or even dos quite happily. well maybe not win 98 or dos but sertainly win2000 or xp. For the work I do offsite and its not much, i use the device thats there. My upgrades are usually performance, security to the minimal specs or because its required. Which was why I didn't upgrade jaws, though if I went to work jaws is what is expected for business so I'd have to keep that updated. yunger people are using braille dvices and other things, but with what I do right now, I really don't need that much. Ofcause as I build myself up here and online as a self employed contracter for sound, testing and a little bit of lite hacking and other tests that may become something I can afford/ need, however I doubt I will ever upgrade unnecessarily. Even if I have the cash which I don't. I am also in my 30s, if I had the cash who knows. The only thing I really want is a quad core with maybe 8-16gb ram, win 7 x64 and the ability to have hardware vertualisation so I could run vertual machines, heck maybe a linux or apple machine to but to be honest I only upgrade what I need. A friend just gave me their c005 nokia, and while its a bit stupid to get talks for that now eventually I may end up doing just that. I have not been as exposed to the fullness of the newer stuf as others have or have needed to move as fast as most have had to. in fact if security was not a major concern I could have stayed in the mud and not given a stiff such is the nature of my current project based work. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, Honestly, I have no idea. However, I'll just say that the pro/business class software businesses use is and has always been different from what the home users get. You know that the home version is often lacking features that pro, business, and ultimate has. My guess is when it comes to Microsoft accounts businesses may get some sort of break or slightly different policy than the usual home version that ships on laptops and desktop machines. However, that is just a guess on my part. Cheers! On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: and do you really think businesses are gunna want to use microsoft accounts for everything? I would not. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, Sadly that is not going to happen. While I am a big Linux proponent I also realize the majority of the world's developers won't touch Linux for a number of reasons. Some of them are down right due to licensing issues that essentially bars commercial developers from the platform. For example, the GPL is fine if a developer is willing to develop his or her software as free and open source, but if not the GPL because a cosmic pain in the butt for a commercial company. Let's say a developer wants to port some commercial program from Windows to Linux and sell it. However, a number of the libraries he or she needs to use are licensed under the GPL. They either have to release their software as open source, the same as the libraries, or have to write commercial libraries free of the GPL. Since nobody wants to do a lot of work rewriting libraries and if they are in the business to make money they won't release their software as open source. So right their Linux has shot itself in the foot by attracting commercial developers just by having too much of its libraries and core dependencies under the GPL. Another key problem for developers is market share. There are many people world wide running Linux, but they are fragmented, not unified, because they all use different distributions of Linux. As it result it makes it painful to create and distribute any piece of software that will safely run on all distributions of Linux. If a developer says he or she is only going to support say Ubuntu they are ignoring potentially millions of potential consumers by not supporting Fedora, Arch, Slackware, and so on as well. It makes it very impractical to market a product when one is dealing with upward of a hundred different versions of the same operating system. Fortunately, for a target group such as the VI gaming community it isn't quite that bad. I already know that most VI users are probably running Ubuntu or a Ubuntu derivative like Ubuntu Gnome, Vinux, etc or they have Arch or Fedora. That helps narrow the field somewhat and it would be possible to develop audio games for the majority of blind Linux gamers. Not so if one is a big company selling to the mainstream. The point here is that we are dealing with fragmentation and that is generally bad when a company is trying to develop software for a large number of consumers that could be running one of potentially hundreds of distributions of the same software. Its impossible to test them all or directly support them all. That is why a lot of Linux software comes in source format so if there isn't a specific build for your platform you can create a build yourself. If there isn't source available it puts the onus on the developer to create builds for a specific Linux platform if problems are encountered with the generic build. That said, I have been looking at this problem, and there may be a way to minimize the problem. by using something like Mono it might be possible to have a .NET application for Linux that is a build once run everywhere type of product. However, I have no idea how reliable that is across multiple versions and distributions of Linux since I haven't seen a lot of software for Linux actually use Mono. Bottom line, if you think everything is going to switch over to Linux in our life time you are dreaming. I don't believe that is going to happen because it is not in the best interests of most companies. You'd have better luck betting on Apple's Mac OS X being the next big thing. On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I want to run windows I'll run windows xp or windows7 in a vm on the ubuntu host until everything is all switched over. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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if I have to I'll get a business license just so I can get the professional version of windows but really I think anyone can go get windows pro if they wish. its a bit more to buy but is worth it I think. On 10/26/2014 6:46 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Honestly, I have no idea. However, I'll just say that the pro/business class software businesses use is and has always been different from what the home users get. You know that the home version is often lacking features that pro, business, and ultimate has. My guess is when it comes to Microsoft accounts businesses may get some sort of break or slightly different policy than the usual home version that ships on laptops and desktop machines. However, that is just a guess on my part. Cheers! On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: and do you really think businesses are gunna want to use microsoft accounts for everything? I would not. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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or if google made a version of android for the desktop and android took over all platforms. On 10/26/2014 7:12 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Sadly that is not going to happen. While I am a big Linux proponent I also realize the majority of the world's developers won't touch Linux for a number of reasons. Some of them are down right due to licensing issues that essentially bars commercial developers from the platform. For example, the GPL is fine if a developer is willing to develop his or her software as free and open source, but if not the GPL because a cosmic pain in the butt for a commercial company. Let's say a developer wants to port some commercial program from Windows to Linux and sell it. However, a number of the libraries he or she needs to use are licensed under the GPL. They either have to release their software as open source, the same as the libraries, or have to write commercial libraries free of the GPL. Since nobody wants to do a lot of work rewriting libraries and if they are in the business to make money they won't release their software as open source. So right their Linux has shot itself in the foot by attracting commercial developers just by having too much of its libraries and core dependencies under the GPL. Another key problem for developers is market share. There are many people world wide running Linux, but they are fragmented, not unified, because they all use different distributions of Linux. As it result it makes it painful to create and distribute any piece of software that will safely run on all distributions of Linux. If a developer says he or she is only going to support say Ubuntu they are ignoring potentially millions of potential consumers by not supporting Fedora, Arch, Slackware, and so on as well. It makes it very impractical to market a product when one is dealing with upward of a hundred different versions of the same operating system. Fortunately, for a target group such as the VI gaming community it isn't quite that bad. I already know that most VI users are probably running Ubuntu or a Ubuntu derivative like Ubuntu Gnome, Vinux, etc or they have Arch or Fedora. That helps narrow the field somewhat and it would be possible to develop audio games for the majority of blind Linux gamers. Not so if one is a big company selling to the mainstream. The point here is that we are dealing with fragmentation and that is generally bad when a company is trying to develop software for a large number of consumers that could be running one of potentially hundreds of distributions of the same software. Its impossible to test them all or directly support them all. That is why a lot of Linux software comes in source format so if there isn't a specific build for your platform you can create a build yourself. If there isn't source available it puts the onus on the developer to create builds for a specific Linux platform if problems are encountered with the generic build. That said, I have been looking at this problem, and there may be a way to minimize the problem. by using something like Mono it might be possible to have a .NET application for Linux that is a build once run everywhere type of product. However, I have no idea how reliable that is across multiple versions and distributions of Linux since I haven't seen a lot of software for Linux actually use Mono. Bottom line, if you think everything is going to switch over to Linux in our life time you are dreaming. I don't believe that is going to happen because it is not in the best interests of most companies. You'd have better luck betting on Apple's Mac OS X being the next big thing. On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I want to run windows I'll run windows xp or windows7 in a vm on the ubuntu host until everything is all switched over. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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you are probably right, and most of the time I don't mind that but I'd still like the local account option and have it as the account for ms stuff was a secondary thing and not a primary thing. and have the ability to log in and out as I wished thats all. At 02:18 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, as the MS account is pretty much core to Microsoft's new security policy as well as their services I definitely don't see that going away. Its one of those things people will either learn to live with or will have to go Mac or Linux instead. As for the Start Menu I've read it is suppose to make a return in Windows 10. As I understand it Windows 10 will have an option to enable some sort of classic mode which is similar to Windows 7 with a Start Menu or a Metro style interface similar to Windows 8. So that at least isn't totally out of the question here. As for their cloud accounts I don't see that going anywhere either. A lot of commercial software is going to the online approach and I foresee Microsoft doing something similar to google where you'll run Microsoft Office and other apps online via the cloud and your desktop or laptop will be for local files but the OS and applications will be accessed via the cloud. Don't believe me just look what Google has done with Chrome OS. Basically, if you start up a Chromebook all you get is a web browser that allows you to run gmail, Google drive, Google docs, etc and nothing is accessed on your Chromebook. Its all in the cloud. I'm sure Microsoft would be happy if they could do the same as they could charge for subscriptions rather than pay for people to buy software upgrades. On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I'd switch but I have so many windows apps I'd have to run a vm of xp or something and if thats the case I may as well continue with windows pluss being an admin everyone uses windows. At 06:52 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: should say I'll switch over to ubuntu gnome version of linux. On 10/25/2014 2:58 AM, shaun everiss wrote: well I don't think they can just stop producing 7 just like that, all the boxes we have are on 7, and while there is a market for it pc manufacturers will still release drivers till at least support for updates ends. thats not for another 5 years. Even if ms stops drivver library support most drivers for ms are generic ones anyway. As well as this because of the 8x disaster ms really needs to make sure that their new os works this time, right now it looks ok but there is always a chance to wreck it later. To be honest if xp didn't drop outside support I'd continue using it and now it appears they are trying to make vertuals with xp not work in 8 and up put it this way I have no desire to even think of upgrading. At 07:24 p.m. 24/10/2014, you wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan On 10/23/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if you are on a low income you can get laptops from newegg and from blaire technology group for between $200 and $300 and they are quite powerful and run windows7. some with windows8.1. but I've found more games run on win7 even today. I tried win8.1 and it froze and made my CPU keep running at 100% even on the desktop with nothing open. so last night I went back to windows7 professional. that's another thing if you want a long long support cycle with windows be sure to get the professional version never buy home versions. On 10/23/2014 5:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better for them if Microsoft continued releasing updates indefinitely, but do to the costs of running a software business such a thing isn't really feasible. Although, that is one reason I use quite a bit of open source software such as Linux. Cost isn't really a factor for me. I get an operating system, screen reader, office suite, and a bunch of other software for basically the cost of a download and a disc to burn it on. Therefore the way I see it if someone wants to stay up to date and is on a limited budget there are options other than Windows if someone is willing to make the conversion to a less expensive alternative. Cheers! On 10/23/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
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I agree, I'd like to control where my data is saved, I do have a few things in the cloud but nothing critical. I just want to know where I put some of my stuff. At 06:55 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: I like having my local account! if I were an IT manager and if I were running a company I would not save stuff in the cloud I would want it where I know I could get at it. backups in the cloud? maybe if they were super secure. primary employee stuff would be local. and if I ran a company an ms kept messing up my company would switch over to ubuntu. Ubuntu is in the top 10 linux distributions on distrowatch.com . On 10/25/2014 3:06 AM, shaun everiss wrote: Well hopefully from a tech standpoint I won't have to upgrade at least 2 of the units here for at least another 5 or 6 years. And to be honest unless one of them breaks I am not sure if I will upgrade for some time to come. I know for a fact that several people on the network are retiring in the next 2 or so years and that will change slightly the use of at least 1 of the computers. I am not sure how much change that will mean as there will continue to be a lot of business stuff on there but point is, the funds I will have after the next 2 years or so will not really be that great. I doubt for instance that next time I upgrade it will be because windows is out of support, more likely it will be because my laptop battery has exploded or something. Thing is for the last 3-4 upgrades either I have needed it or the systems in question are broken or have not been upgraded for some time. With one acception every user is happy with their level of power. In short ms will need to really convince people to switch, I know for example that 7 is the last os that doesn't need a ms account to login. 10 now its the only way to use the system and I am sure that later oses will not have local account either. At 01:15 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers
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I agree josh, I had to do for a customer a general cleanout of windows and update and install of some major systems. I also had to run a couple clearout programs which I did overnight. I did not like win8, and while I was able with a bit of help get win 8.1 up, I worked through the night to get the system ready for a morning pickup,, because although I could have kept it for a wek or 2 win 8 really didn't settle with me and I wanted to get it out of the door asap! My cousin has had issues with his net and whenever that happens, and he can not log in he has no system access till he can get the networking which is why I really don't like the idea of an net account as my primary login without a fallback. that and the fact that after all the stories on us cert, about nas storage hacks, ssl3 hacks and online cloud hacks that I could be online unnecessarily. On this 7 box while I am online, I don't need to login to be online, in fact I can be offline full stop! if I do get this win8 or 10 or whatever I get next, then when I make the system go I will make sure that I turn off my router before installing for the first time. It seems the easiest way to get round making an ms account. i also don't like all my info just sitting there for any person to access and me not being in control. in 7 at least I can shut everything off delete all ms live files and say I don't want to be online. When I do all my payed work and other things, no drop box, no bt sync, no messenger no mail, nothing, when my nose hits that grindstone I don't want distractions at all! And that will include live tiles, its probable that I will end up with something like classic shell with win7 or xp start menu loaded and whatever classic adjustments I can get with a local account though I will be missing out on a lot of store features and metro apps its not like I hav needed them up to now, and I have used a desktop for the last 20 years this way though I can see the potentual for the newer people that start its the same with the iphone, etc, I have never used a tablet so don't know what I am missing,. and since I have inherited another phone as long as I can spend the large load of cash on talks its probably what I will end up doing though I have used a tablet once and can see why people like it. Its all what you grow up with and I am sure if i was born now, that I'd think the keyboard a bunch of crap and that I like touch, however I was round when it was all keyboards and touch devices are as forign to me as aliens and I have no need to actually use one right now, maybe that will change. At 06:52 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: I don't or i should say I did not like windows8.1 at all when I had it on this computer, because it would not run my windows xp virtual machine at all. it ran but audio was slow and it was buggy as ever. audio was so choppy it was completely unuseable. so I went back to windows7. now everything works better. microsoft better listen to their customers or I'll switch over to ubuntu linux and run windows xp in a vm on there. On 10/25/2014 2:58 AM, shaun everiss wrote: well I don't think they can just stop producing 7 just like that, all the boxes we have are on 7, and while there is a market for it pc manufacturers will still release drivers till at least support for updates ends. thats not for another 5 years. Even if ms stops drivver library support most drivers for ms are generic ones anyway. As well as this because of the 8x disaster ms really needs to make sure that their new os works this time, right now it looks ok but there is always a chance to wreck it later. To be honest if xp didn't drop outside support I'd continue using it and now it appears they are trying to make vertuals with xp not work in 8 and up put it this way I have no desire to even think of upgrading. At 07:24 p.m. 24/10/2014, you wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan On 10/23/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if you are on a low income you can get laptops from newegg and from blaire technology group for between $200 and $300 and they are quite powerful and run windows7. some with windows8.1. but I've found more games run on win7 even today. I tried win8.1 and it froze and made my CPU keep running at 100% even on the desktop with nothing open. so last night I went back to windows7 professional. that's another thing if you want a long long support cycle with windows be sure to get the professional version never buy home versions. On 10/23/2014 5:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better for them if Microsoft continued releasing updates indefinitely, but do to the costs of running a software business such a thing isn't really feasible. Although, that is one reason I use quite a
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Well its why they use 7 right now but some obviously want to. Its not the account I hate, but the fact you need to login with it. as a secondary thig I'd take it but as a primary who knows. I assume you can still store your data on your hard drive but even so. I don't know. At 07:01 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: and do you really think businesses are gunna want to use microsoft accounts for everything? I would not. On 10/25/2014 9:18 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, as the MS account is pretty much core to Microsoft's new security policy as well as their services I definitely don't see that going away. Its one of those things people will either learn to live with or will have to go Mac or Linux instead. As for the Start Menu I've read it is suppose to make a return in Windows 10. As I understand it Windows 10 will have an option to enable some sort of classic mode which is similar to Windows 7 with a Start Menu or a Metro style interface similar to Windows 8. So that at least isn't totally out of the question here. As for their cloud accounts I don't see that going anywhere either. A lot of commercial software is going to the online approach and I foresee Microsoft doing something similar to google where you'll run Microsoft Office and other apps online via the cloud and your desktop or laptop will be for local files but the OS and applications will be accessed via the cloud. Don't believe me just look what Google has done with Chrome OS. Basically, if you start up a Chromebook all you get is a web browser that allows you to run gmail, Google drive, Google docs, etc and nothing is accessed on your Chromebook. Its all in the cloud. I'm sure Microsoft would be happy if they could do the same as they could charge for subscriptions rather than pay for people to buy software upgrades. On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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yeah unless you reinstall windows. At 07:00 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: and if your internet goes out or down, oh well you no longer have access to your software. On 10/25/2014 9:18 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, as the MS account is pretty much core to Microsoft's new security policy as well as their services I definitely don't see that going away. Its one of those things people will either learn to live with or will have to go Mac or Linux instead. As for the Start Menu I've read it is suppose to make a return in Windows 10. As I understand it Windows 10 will have an option to enable some sort of classic mode which is similar to Windows 7 with a Start Menu or a Metro style interface similar to Windows 8. So that at least isn't totally out of the question here. As for their cloud accounts I don't see that going anywhere either. A lot of commercial software is going to the online approach and I foresee Microsoft doing something similar to google where you'll run Microsoft Office and other apps online via the cloud and your desktop or laptop will be for local files but the OS and applications will be accessed via the cloud. Don't believe me just look what Google has done with Chrome OS. Basically, if you start up a Chromebook all you get is a web browser that allows you to run gmail, Google drive, Google docs, etc and nothing is accessed on your Chromebook. Its all in the cloud. I'm sure Microsoft would be happy if they could do the same as they could charge for subscriptions rather than pay for people to buy software upgrades. On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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won't happen, a lot of mainstream people use ms and that is where the issues lie. a lot of the world is on the go but there is the smaller nitch who is not necessarily on the go. At 06:57 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I want to run windows I'll run windows xp or windows7 in a vm on the ubuntu host until everything is all switched over. On 10/25/2014 3:09 AM, shaun everiss wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. At 01:37 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: yes I wonder what the new mainstream business OS will be in 5 or 6 years? maybe windows10? right now businesses are staying with windows7. On 10/24/2014 8:15 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __
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Hi Shaun, While I can identify with newer tech being alien, strange to someone who is use to something else, the fact of the matter is people need to be flexible. Need to learn to roll with the change, because new tech is always coming out and it isn't wise to get use to any particular technology as it can and will change at some point. I am a man in his mid 30's and I can say much has changed between when I started school and now. When I was in elementary school the greatest thing was the Apple II-E. A lot of people who could afford one had one, and those who didn't could use one at school which I did. Now days a person's iPhone is light years ahead of anything we had in the mid 80's, and I foresee a day in the not too distant future where desktops, laptops, etc will be more or less a thing of the past. Most people will probably have tablets running iOS, Android, or Windows. computers as we understand them now will be reserved for businesses where it would be impractical to type via touchscreen or run a computer for 8 to 12 hours a day in an office. So it seems to me to be prudent to begin thinking about that change and preparing for it by learning those skills now rather than later. As far as anyone thinking keyboards suck that sounds to me that person is pretty narrow minded. While touchscreens are nice and handy different input methods are available precisely because they are better at different things. Its not a case of either/or but a case of use the input method that does the best job at the time. Nobody is going to want to write a 500 page novel on a touchscreen, in fact would be a bit crazy, but is no problem on a keyboard. Likewise there is no argument that touchscreens are freer nice because they are like having a mouse and keyboard in one device, allowing movement around the screen, and are perfectly suited to browsing information, selecting a phone number from an addressbook, for pointing to screen elements and activating them, but are lousy at large amounts of input such as writing a novel. Only a stupid ignorant sod would say one input method is better than the other without first considering the use it is being put to. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I agree josh, I had to do for a customer a general cleanout of windows and update and install of some major systems. I also had to run a couple clearout programs which I did overnight. I did not like win8, and while I was able with a bit of help get win 8.1 up, I worked through the night to get the system ready for a morning pickup,, because although I could have kept it for a wek or 2 win 8 really didn't settle with me and I wanted to get it out of the door asap! My cousin has had issues with his net and whenever that happens, and he can not log in he has no system access till he can get the networking which is why I really don't like the idea of an net account as my primary login without a fallback. that and the fact that after all the stories on us cert, about nas storage hacks, ssl3 hacks and online cloud hacks that I could be online unnecessarily. On this 7 box while I am online, I don't need to login to be online, in fact I can be offline full stop! if I do get this win8 or 10 or whatever I get next, then when I make the system go I will make sure that I turn off my router before installing for the first time. It seems the easiest way to get round making an ms account. i also don't like all my info just sitting there for any person to access and me not being in control. in 7 at least I can shut everything off delete all ms live files and say I don't want to be online. When I do all my payed work and other things, no drop box, no bt sync, no messenger no mail, nothing, when my nose hits that grindstone I don't want distractions at all! And that will include live tiles, its probable that I will end up with something like classic shell with win7 or xp start menu loaded and whatever classic adjustments I can get with a local account though I will be missing out on a lot of store features and metro apps its not like I hav needed them up to now, and I have used a desktop for the last 20 years this way though I can see the potentual for the newer people that start its the same with the iphone, etc, I have never used a tablet so don't know what I am missing,. and since I have inherited another phone as long as I can spend the large load of cash on talks its probably what I will end up doing though I have used a tablet once and can see why people like it. Its all what you grow up with and I am sure if i was born now, that I'd think the keyboard a bunch of crap and that I like touch, however I was round when it was all keyboards and touch devices are as forign to me as aliens and I have no need to actually use one right now, maybe that will change. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
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Hi Shaun, Not sure what you mean by on the go but I do agree a massive migration to Linux won't happen. If anything people should be looking at other markets where Microsoft is getting its butt kicked by Apple and Google in the phone and tablet market. I look for that to largely replace the PC market in the next few years, and its not hard to see most people using a tablet rather than a laptop mainly do to convenience. Unless Microsoft comes up with something truly new and revolutionary the next mainstream OS will be iOS or Android. Right now we are in a transitional phase. A lot of people have both. They have their desktop or their laptop running some flavor of Windows, and have either a phone or tablet running some mobile OS like Android or iOS. Sooner or later I look for the balance to shift towards the mobile market since it isn't really necessary to own a laptop to read e-mail, browse the web, listen to music, or read someone's favorite e-books. All of those things can be easily performed on most phones and tablets, and it only makes sense the market will shift in that direction sooner or later. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: won't happen, a lot of mainstream people use ms and that is where the issues lie. a lot of the world is on the go but there is the smaller nitch who is not necessarily on the go. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, You don't need a business license to buy the pro version of Windows. You should be able to buy it anywhere Microsoft software is sold. Granted you aren't likely to find it in Walmart since they mainly deal with the home versions given they are selling to the average consumer, but it is not hard to find Windows pro, business, or ultimate. Places like Amazon carry any and all versions of Windows. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if I have to I'll get a business license just so I can get the professional version of windows but really I think anyone can go get windows pro if they wish. its a bit more to buy but is worth it I think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Shaun, Each to their own of course, but I think the thing you are overlooking is choice. By running Linux as a host and Windows as a guest OS through a virtual machine you get the advantage of both operating systems on the same machine. Can in fact run both at the same time given enough processor power and memory. That has tremendous advantages over just running a single OS like Windows on its own. First, is the issue of security. It is a well known fact that Linux is much more secure than Windows on many levels. Less issues with viruses, spyware, worms, etc. Better multi-user design, better handling of user permissions, login and authentication, etc. Bottom line, it makes a great stable platform to run one or more virtual machines from because it is less likely than Windows to be infected or cracked by outside security breaches. Second, is cost of everyday applications. A decent Linux distribution such as Ubuntu comes with all the basic applications one would want or need such as Firefox for web browsing, Thunderbird for e-mail, Gedit for notetaking, Libre Office for office documents, Totem for music and movies, etc. In short, a person can have a bunch of everyday software for free, and get updates as soon as they become available. This allows the user to use their Windows virtual machine for commercial software not available for Linux such as audio games, expensive sound/video editors, or anything else they need to use which is not available for Linux. Its the best of both worlds as far as I concerned. In my opinion the oh hum everybody uses Windows attitude only restricts the end user to one and one option. They either have to pay expensive prices to upgrade their Windows software from time to time, or they stick with their old tech until it falls apart. Neither is particularly wise considering there are other options available. Ignoring those other options because they are less popular than the most popular OS going only serves to limit your freedom of choice. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I'd switch but I have so many windows apps I'd have to run a vm of xp or something and if thats the case I may as well continue with windows pluss being an admin everyone uses windows. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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try typing a paper on a touch screen for college or writing reports. it won't work and will frustrate you because typing on touch screen is slow. On 10/25/2014 3:19 PM, shaun everiss wrote: I agree josh, I had to do for a customer a general cleanout of windows and update and install of some major systems. I also had to run a couple clearout programs which I did overnight. I did not like win8, and while I was able with a bit of help get win 8.1 up, I worked through the night to get the system ready for a morning pickup,, because although I could have kept it for a wek or 2 win 8 really didn't settle with me and I wanted to get it out of the door asap! My cousin has had issues with his net and whenever that happens, and he can not log in he has no system access till he can get the networking which is why I really don't like the idea of an net account as my primary login without a fallback. that and the fact that after all the stories on us cert, about nas storage hacks, ssl3 hacks and online cloud hacks that I could be online unnecessarily. On this 7 box while I am online, I don't need to login to be online, in fact I can be offline full stop! if I do get this win8 or 10 or whatever I get next, then when I make the system go I will make sure that I turn off my router before installing for the first time. It seems the easiest way to get round making an ms account. i also don't like all my info just sitting there for any person to access and me not being in control. in 7 at least I can shut everything off delete all ms live files and say I don't want to be online. When I do all my payed work and other things, no drop box, no bt sync, no messenger no mail, nothing, when my nose hits that grindstone I don't want distractions at all! And that will include live tiles, its probable that I will end up with something like classic shell with win7 or xp start menu loaded and whatever classic adjustments I can get with a local account though I will be missing out on a lot of store features and metro apps its not like I hav needed them up to now, and I have used a desktop for the last 20 years this way though I can see the potentual for the newer people that start its the same with the iphone, etc, I have never used a tablet so don't know what I am missing,. and since I have inherited another phone as long as I can spend the large load of cash on talks its probably what I will end up doing though I have used a tablet once and can see why people like it. Its all what you grow up with and I am sure if i was born now, that I'd think the keyboard a bunch of crap and that I like touch, however I was round when it was all keyboards and touch devices are as forign to me as aliens and I have no need to actually use one right now, maybe that will change. At 06:52 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: I don't or i should say I did not like windows8.1 at all when I had it on this computer, because it would not run my windows xp virtual machine at all. it ran but audio was slow and it was buggy as ever. audio was so choppy it was completely unuseable. so I went back to windows7. now everything works better. microsoft better listen to their customers or I'll switch over to ubuntu linux and run windows xp in a vm on there. On 10/25/2014 2:58 AM, shaun everiss wrote: well I don't think they can just stop producing 7 just like that, all the boxes we have are on 7, and while there is a market for it pc manufacturers will still release drivers till at least support for updates ends. thats not for another 5 years. Even if ms stops drivver library support most drivers for ms are generic ones anyway. As well as this because of the 8x disaster ms really needs to make sure that their new os works this time, right now it looks ok but there is always a chance to wreck it later. To be honest if xp didn't drop outside support I'd continue using it and now it appears they are trying to make vertuals with xp not work in 8 and up put it this way I have no desire to even think of upgrading. At 07:24 p.m. 24/10/2014, you wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan On 10/23/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if you are on a low income you can get laptops from newegg and from blaire technology group for between $200 and $300 and they are quite powerful and run windows7. some with windows8.1. but I've found more games run on win7 even today. I tried win8.1 and it froze and made my CPU keep running at 100% even on the desktop with nothing open. so last night I went back to windows7 professional. that's another thing if you want a long long support cycle with windows be sure to get the professional version never buy home versions. On 10/23/2014 5:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better
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I will never want critical info such as bank info in the cloud. On 10/25/2014 3:21 PM, shaun everiss wrote: I agree, I'd like to control where my data is saved, I do have a few things in the cloud but nothing critical. I just want to know where I put some of my stuff. At 06:55 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: I like having my local account! if I were an IT manager and if I were running a company I would not save stuff in the cloud I would want it where I know I could get at it. backups in the cloud? maybe if they were super secure. primary employee stuff would be local. and if I ran a company an ms kept messing up my company would switch over to ubuntu. Ubuntu is in the top 10 linux distributions on distrowatch.com . On 10/25/2014 3:06 AM, shaun everiss wrote: Well hopefully from a tech standpoint I won't have to upgrade at least 2 of the units here for at least another 5 or 6 years. And to be honest unless one of them breaks I am not sure if I will upgrade for some time to come. I know for a fact that several people on the network are retiring in the next 2 or so years and that will change slightly the use of at least 1 of the computers. I am not sure how much change that will mean as there will continue to be a lot of business stuff on there but point is, the funds I will have after the next 2 years or so will not really be that great. I doubt for instance that next time I upgrade it will be because windows is out of support, more likely it will be because my laptop battery has exploded or something. Thing is for the last 3-4 upgrades either I have needed it or the systems in question are broken or have not been upgraded for some time. With one acception every user is happy with their level of power. In short ms will need to really convince people to switch, I know for example that 7 is the last os that doesn't need a ms account to login. 10 now its the only way to use the system and I am sure that later oses will not have local account either. At 01:15 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions
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also if you developed for ubuntu you would get most of the linux market because most people use ubuntu according to distrowatch.com page hit rankings website. On 10/25/2014 2:59 PM, shaun everiss wrote: you are probably right, and most of the time I don't mind that but I'd still like the local account option and have it as the account for ms stuff was a secondary thing and not a primary thing. and have the ability to log in and out as I wished thats all. At 02:18 a.m. 26/10/2014, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, as the MS account is pretty much core to Microsoft's new security policy as well as their services I definitely don't see that going away. Its one of those things people will either learn to live with or will have to go Mac or Linux instead. As for the Start Menu I've read it is suppose to make a return in Windows 10. As I understand it Windows 10 will have an option to enable some sort of classic mode which is similar to Windows 7 with a Start Menu or a Metro style interface similar to Windows 8. So that at least isn't totally out of the question here. As for their cloud accounts I don't see that going anywhere either. A lot of commercial software is going to the online approach and I foresee Microsoft doing something similar to google where you'll run Microsoft Office and other apps online via the cloud and your desktop or laptop will be for local files but the OS and applications will be accessed via the cloud. Don't believe me just look what Google has done with Chrome OS. Basically, if you start up a Chromebook all you get is a web browser that allows you to run gmail, Google drive, Google docs, etc and nothing is accessed on your Chromebook. Its all in the cloud. I'm sure Microsoft would be happy if they could do the same as they could charge for subscriptions rather than pay for people to buy software upgrades. On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, Well, the speed and accuracy of typing on a touchscreen depends on the person. I have heard of some people who can type almost as fast on their touch device as a standard keyboard. So I'm not sure if I'd completely agree with your statement that it is slow. Certainly for a lot of people, but not necessarily for everyone. I might add that a person could write a paper for a class on their touch device, but I do agree it could get frustrating. They aren't designed for touch typing long documents of any kind and that is why blue tooth keyboards and so on exists. Sooner or later a person will need a keyboard for extended data entry and it can be done on tablets and phones provided they have a keyboard available for the device. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: try typing a paper on a touch screen for college or writing reports. it won't work and will frustrate you because typing on touch screen is slow. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, A point about the Linux market. Keep in mind there is a difference here between PC users and server users. Most Linux users are corporations running some sort of Enterprise Linux like Red Hat or Cent OS on their web, mail, and other office servers which wouldn't be something a game developer would be interested in since if companies are running it on their servers they aren't likely to be a customer for games and other multimedia applications. The sort of users you are talking about are home PC users who use Ubuntu which is designed to be an equivalent to Windows. It comes pre-bundled with applications the average home user would want such as Totem for movie and music playback, Empathy for internet chat, Firefox for web browsing, Libre Office for home office use, and things of that nature. The new Unity desktop is designed to resemble Mac OS in appearance which is another attempt to grab the home PC market. for those reasons that is why Ubuntu is one of the leaders in the Linux software market at least as far as mainstream/general use goes. Its the closest distribution to Windows as far as the public is concerned. The point here is when you say most users you need to clarify which market PC or server. Both markets exists and it makes a big difference to a developer which one he or she chooses to target. I don't think the average home user would care if a developer created a new server replacement for Sendmail, but a company might. Likewise a company probably wouldn't care about a Linux version of Swamp, but Linux home users would. So keep that in mind when quoting rankings and user statistics. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: also if you developed for ubuntu you would get most of the linux market because most people use ubuntu according to distrowatch.com page hit rankings website. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I like running anything from windows98 to xp to an old mac OS7 or OS8 in virtual machines. I just can't see an android or IOS tablet doing that. also don't forget that Ubuntu has many commercial apps. just go get chrome and go get steam for ubuntu for games there you got lots of commercial stuff on your free open source linux distribution. On 10/26/2014 10:05 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, You don't need a business license to buy the pro version of Windows. You should be able to buy it anywhere Microsoft software is sold. Granted you aren't likely to find it in Walmart since they mainly deal with the home versions given they are selling to the average consumer, but it is not hard to find Windows pro, business, or ultimate. Places like Amazon carry any and all versions of Windows. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if I have to I'll get a business license just so I can get the professional version of windows but really I think anyone can go get windows pro if they wish. its a bit more to buy but is worth it I think. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well if I must switch to a tablet I'll go with android before apple just because android is more open like linux and windows. On 10/26/2014 9:43 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, Not sure what you mean by on the go but I do agree a massive migration to Linux won't happen. If anything people should be looking at other markets where Microsoft is getting its butt kicked by Apple and Google in the phone and tablet market. I look for that to largely replace the PC market in the next few years, and its not hard to see most people using a tablet rather than a laptop mainly do to convenience. Unless Microsoft comes up with something truly new and revolutionary the next mainstream OS will be iOS or Android. Right now we are in a transitional phase. A lot of people have both. They have their desktop or their laptop running some flavor of Windows, and have either a phone or tablet running some mobile OS like Android or iOS. Sooner or later I look for the balance to shift towards the mobile market since it isn't really necessary to own a laptop to read e-mail, browse the web, listen to music, or read someone's favorite e-books. All of those things can be easily performed on most phones and tablets, and it only makes sense the market will shift in that direction sooner or later. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: won't happen, a lot of mainstream people use ms and that is where the issues lie. a lot of the world is on the go but there is the smaller nitch who is not necessarily on the go. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? On 10/26/2014 9:34 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, While I can identify with newer tech being alien, strange to someone who is use to something else, the fact of the matter is people need to be flexible. Need to learn to roll with the change, because new tech is always coming out and it isn't wise to get use to any particular technology as it can and will change at some point. I am a man in his mid 30's and I can say much has changed between when I started school and now. When I was in elementary school the greatest thing was the Apple II-E. A lot of people who could afford one had one, and those who didn't could use one at school which I did. Now days a person's iPhone is light years ahead of anything we had in the mid 80's, and I foresee a day in the not too distant future where desktops, laptops, etc will be more or less a thing of the past. Most people will probably have tablets running iOS, Android, or Windows. computers as we understand them now will be reserved for businesses where it would be impractical to type via touchscreen or run a computer for 8 to 12 hours a day in an office. So it seems to me to be prudent to begin thinking about that change and preparing for it by learning those skills now rather than later. As far as anyone thinking keyboards suck that sounds to me that person is pretty narrow minded. While touchscreens are nice and handy different input methods are available precisely because they are better at different things. Its not a case of either/or but a case of use the input method that does the best job at the time. Nobody is going to want to write a 500 page novel on a touchscreen, in fact would be a bit crazy, but is no problem on a keyboard. Likewise there is no argument that touchscreens are freer nice because they are like having a mouse and keyboard in one device, allowing movement around the screen, and are perfectly suited to browsing information, selecting a phone number from an addressbook, for pointing to screen elements and activating them, but are lousy at large amounts of input such as writing a novel. Only a stupid ignorant sod would say one input method is better than the other without first considering the use it is being put to. Cheers! On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I agree josh, I had to do for a customer a general cleanout of windows and update and install of some major systems. I also had to run a couple clearout programs which I did overnight. I did not like win8, and while I was able with a bit of help get win 8.1 up, I worked through the night to get the system ready for a morning pickup,, because although I could have kept it for a wek or 2 win 8 really didn't settle with me and I wanted to get it out of the door asap! My cousin has had issues with his net and whenever that happens, and he can not log in he has no system access till he can get the networking which is why I really don't like the idea of an net account as my primary login without a fallback. that and the fact that after all the stories on us cert, about nas storage hacks, ssl3 hacks and online cloud hacks that I could be online unnecessarily. On this 7 box while I am online, I don't need to login to be online, in fact I can be offline full stop! if I do get this win8 or 10 or whatever I get next, then when I make the system go I will make sure that I turn off my router before installing for the first time. It seems the easiest way to get round making an ms account. i also don't like all my info just sitting there for any person to access and me not being in control. in 7 at least I can shut everything off delete all ms live files and say I don't want to be online. When I do all my payed work and other things, no drop box, no bt sync, no messenger no mail, nothing, when my nose hits that grindstone I don't want distractions at all! And that will include live tiles, its probable that I will end up with something like classic shell with win7 or xp start menu loaded and whatever classic adjustments I can get with a local account though I will be missing out on a lot of store features and metro apps its not like I hav needed them up to now, and I have used a desktop for the last 20 years this way though I can see the potentual for the newer people that start its the same with the iphone, etc, I have never used a tablet so don't know what I am missing,. and since I have inherited another phone as long as I can spend the large load of cash on talks its probably what I will end up doing though I have used a tablet once and can see why people like it. Its all what you grow up with and I am sure if i was born now, that I'd
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also talkback and voiceover on the tablets will need to get a lot better. for papers and work and school they will need powerful features such as those you find in Jaws for windows. On 10/26/2014 1:16 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Well, the speed and accuracy of typing on a touchscreen depends on the person. I have heard of some people who can type almost as fast on their touch device as a standard keyboard. So I'm not sure if I'd completely agree with your statement that it is slow. Certainly for a lot of people, but not necessarily for everyone. I might add that a person could write a paper for a class on their touch device, but I do agree it could get frustrating. They aren't designed for touch typing long documents of any kind and that is why blue tooth keyboards and so on exists. Sooner or later a person will need a keyboard for extended data entry and it can be done on tablets and phones provided they have a keyboard available for the device. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: try typing a paper on a touch screen for college or writing reports. it won't work and will frustrate you because typing on touch screen is slow. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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you can get any version if you have the money. At 08:55 AM 10/26/2014, you wrote: if I have to I'll get a business license just so I can get the professional version of windows but really I think anyone can go get windows pro if they wish. its a bit more to buy but is worth it I think. On 10/26/2014 6:46 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, Honestly, I have no idea. However, I'll just say that the pro/business class software businesses use is and has always been different from what the home users get. You know that the home version is often lacking features that pro, business, and ultimate has. My guess is when it comes to Microsoft accounts businesses may get some sort of break or slightly different policy than the usual home version that ships on laptops and desktop machines. However, that is just a guess on my part. Cheers! On 10/25/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: and do you really think businesses are gunna want to use microsoft accounts for everything? I would not. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, I imagine for students they will write their reports and other lengthy documents by voice dictation or by using a blue tooth keyboard. I doubt they'll do so using a touchscreen and will choose to use some alternate input method for doing their school work on a tablet. As for hard core gamers they'll probably continue to use dedicated consoles like XBox, Play Station, Wii, etc for games. Tablets have games, but nothing on par with what is available for the console. Even so there are ways to use your iPhone and iPad with a large TV screen so if someone really wants to they can use their TV etc as a monitor rather than depending on the built in screen for gaming. As for virtual machines and tablets dream on. They aren't designed for that sort of thing. Never were, and I doubt ever will. They have limited storage capacity, don't have enough RAM and CPU power for virtual machines, and I just don't see people doing that unless they absolutely had to. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. On 10/26/2014 3:15 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, I imagine for students they will write their reports and other lengthy documents by voice dictation or by using a blue tooth keyboard. I doubt they'll do so using a touchscreen and will choose to use some alternate input method for doing their school work on a tablet. As for hard core gamers they'll probably continue to use dedicated consoles like XBox, Play Station, Wii, etc for games. Tablets have games, but nothing on par with what is available for the console. Even so there are ways to use your iPhone and iPad with a large TV screen so if someone really wants to they can use their TV etc as a monitor rather than depending on the built in screen for gaming. As for virtual machines and tablets dream on. They aren't designed for that sort of thing. Never were, and I doubt ever will. They have limited storage capacity, don't have enough RAM and CPU power for virtual machines, and I just don't see people doing that unless they absolutely had to. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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they not only mod the consoles but also the controllers. At 04:12 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. On 10/26/2014 3:15 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, I imagine for students they will write their reports and other lengthy documents by voice dictation or by using a blue tooth keyboard. I doubt they'll do so using a touchscreen and will choose to use some alternate input method for doing their school work on a tablet. As for hard core gamers they'll probably continue to use dedicated consoles like XBox, Play Station, Wii, etc for games. Tablets have games, but nothing on par with what is available for the console. Even so there are ways to use your iPhone and iPad with a large TV screen so if someone really wants to they can use their TV etc as a monitor rather than depending on the built in screen for gaming. As for virtual machines and tablets dream on. They aren't designed for that sort of thing. Never were, and I doubt ever will. They have limited storage capacity, don't have enough RAM and CPU power for virtual machines, and I just don't see people doing that unless they absolutely had to. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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in a way they have got rid of the manual keyboard with a virtual keyboard. You put this small box down and it puts a keyboard on any surface. your finger breaking the picture of the letter tells it what to send. Microsoft has had this xp came out. and lets not forget the puffer system. That lets you huff and puff your way on a virtual keyboard shown on the screen for those that are paralyzed. At 03:15 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: Hi Josh, I imagine for students they will write their reports and other lengthy documents by voice dictation or by using a blue tooth keyboard. I doubt they'll do so using a touchscreen and will choose to use some alternate input method for doing their school work on a tablet. As for hard core gamers they'll probably continue to use dedicated consoles like XBox, Play Station, Wii, etc for games. Tablets have games, but nothing on par with what is available for the console. Even so there are ways to use your iPhone and iPad with a large TV screen so if someone really wants to they can use their TV etc as a monitor rather than depending on the built in screen for gaming. As for virtual machines and tablets dream on. They aren't designed for that sort of thing. Never were, and I doubt ever will. They have limited storage capacity, don't have enough RAM and CPU power for virtual machines, and I just don't see people doing that unless they absolutely had to. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello Josh, Actually, they do mod the console games in a lot of cases. More and more console games are being modded and customized than you might think. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I did not know you could mod game consoles. On 10/26/2014 7:20 PM, tim wrote: they not only mod the consoles but also the controllers. At 04:12 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. On 10/26/2014 3:15 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, I imagine for students they will write their reports and other lengthy documents by voice dictation or by using a blue tooth keyboard. I doubt they'll do so using a touchscreen and will choose to use some alternate input method for doing their school work on a tablet. As for hard core gamers they'll probably continue to use dedicated consoles like XBox, Play Station, Wii, etc for games. Tablets have games, but nothing on par with what is available for the console. Even so there are ways to use your iPhone and iPad with a large TV screen so if someone really wants to they can use their TV etc as a monitor rather than depending on the built in screen for gaming. As for virtual machines and tablets dream on. They aren't designed for that sort of thing. Never were, and I doubt ever will. They have limited storage capacity, don't have enough RAM and CPU power for virtual machines, and I just don't see people doing that unless they absolutely had to. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: so if we all have tablets like IOS or android how will school students write their 5 to 20 page papers? How will people who like to tinker and run virtual machines do that on a IOS tablet? How will the hard-core gamers play their games on the big screen with racing wheels joysticks and big screens or their wireless gaming controllers? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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too bad there's not some sort of custom console OS that you flash onto your console and once flashed, the console is accessible with accessible games you can buy from between $5 and $20 or so. I would love that! On 10/26/2014 7:35 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Josh, Actually, they do mod the console games in a lot of cases. More and more console games are being modded and customized than you might think. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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It sounds like a $25 or $35 Raspberry Pi unit could serve as a custom console. You'd need to hook up a USB power supply (such as certain phone-chargers) and a USB keyboard, then either plug in some headphones or connect the HDMI output to your home stereo system. Depending on the game, you could also add a mouse or USB game-pad. Game authors could either provide the game's image file and have you write it to your own SD card, or they could charge more for pre-formatted SD cards much like the old Atari or NES cartridges. You'd then just plug in the card, power on the system, and you're right into the game. The $35 unit has a built-in network adapter which could provide for networked games. The common hardware along with the included Linux system image would allow the game authors to ensure the same experience for everyone. Authors could even release multi-game packs that would boot into a menu where you can choose one of multiple games and then have that game launched. Just throwing ideas out on the table... -tim On 2014-10-26 21:17, Josh k wrote: too bad there's not some sort of custom console OS that you flash onto your console and once flashed, the console is accessible with accessible games you can buy from between $5 and $20 or so. I would love that! On 10/26/2014 7:35 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Josh, Actually, they do mod the console games in a lot of cases. More and more console games are being modded and customized than you might think. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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how about basing it on a custom console debian with a custom menu for games and stuff. and then you buy your games over a server also running debian console or grml based on debian. On 10/26/2014 10:50 PM, Tim Chase wrote: It sounds like a $25 or $35 Raspberry Pi unit could serve as a custom console. You'd need to hook up a USB power supply (such as certain phone-chargers) and a USB keyboard, then either plug in some headphones or connect the HDMI output to your home stereo system. Depending on the game, you could also add a mouse or USB game-pad. Game authors could either provide the game's image file and have you write it to your own SD card, or they could charge more for pre-formatted SD cards much like the old Atari or NES cartridges. You'd then just plug in the card, power on the system, and you're right into the game. The $35 unit has a built-in network adapter which could provide for networked games. The common hardware along with the included Linux system image would allow the game authors to ensure the same experience for everyone. Authors could even release multi-game packs that would boot into a menu where you can choose one of multiple games and then have that game launched. Just throwing ideas out on the table... -tim On 2014-10-26 21:17, Josh k wrote: too bad there's not some sort of custom console OS that you flash onto your console and once flashed, the console is accessible with accessible games you can buy from between $5 and $20 or so. I would love that! On 10/26/2014 7:35 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Josh, Actually, they do mod the console games in a lot of cases. More and more console games are being modded and customized than you might think. Cheers! On 10/26/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: but the hard core gamers cannot mod their games with a console. you cannot make game mods. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well hopefully from a tech standpoint I won't have to upgrade at least 2 of the units here for at least another 5 or 6 years. And to be honest unless one of them breaks I am not sure if I will upgrade for some time to come. I know for a fact that several people on the network are retiring in the next 2 or so years and that will change slightly the use of at least 1 of the computers. I am not sure how much change that will mean as there will continue to be a lot of business stuff on there but point is, the funds I will have after the next 2 years or so will not really be that great. I doubt for instance that next time I upgrade it will be because windows is out of support, more likely it will be because my laptop battery has exploded or something. Thing is for the last 3-4 upgrades either I have needed it or the systems in question are broken or have not been upgraded for some time. With one acception every user is happy with their level of power. In short ms will need to really convince people to switch, I know for example that 7 is the last os that doesn't need a ms account to login. 10 now its the only way to use the system and I am sure that later oses will not have local account either. At 01:15 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well I don't think they can just stop producing 7 just like that, all the boxes we have are on 7, and while there is a market for it pc manufacturers will still release drivers till at least support for updates ends. thats not for another 5 years. Even if ms stops drivver library support most drivers for ms are generic ones anyway. As well as this because of the 8x disaster ms really needs to make sure that their new os works this time, right now it looks ok but there is always a chance to wreck it later. To be honest if xp didn't drop outside support I'd continue using it and now it appears they are trying to make vertuals with xp not work in 8 and up put it this way I have no desire to even think of upgrading. At 07:24 p.m. 24/10/2014, you wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan On 10/23/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if you are on a low income you can get laptops from newegg and from blaire technology group for between $200 and $300 and they are quite powerful and run windows7. some with windows8.1. but I've found more games run on win7 even today. I tried win8.1 and it froze and made my CPU keep running at 100% even on the desktop with nothing open. so last night I went back to windows7 professional. that's another thing if you want a long long support cycle with windows be sure to get the professional version never buy home versions. On 10/23/2014 5:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better for them if Microsoft continued releasing updates indefinitely, but do to the costs of running a software business such a thing isn't really feasible. Although, that is one reason I use quite a bit of open source software such as Linux. Cost isn't really a factor for me. I get an operating system, screen reader, office suite, and a bunch of other software for basically the cost of a download and a disc to burn it on. Therefore the way I see it if someone wants to stay up to date and is on a limited budget there are options other than Windows if someone is willing to make the conversion to a less expensive alternative. Cheers! On 10/23/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. At 01:37 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: yes I wonder what the new mainstream business OS will be in 5 or 6 years? maybe windows10? right now businesses are staying with windows7. On 10/24/2014 8:15 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Shaun, Well, as the MS account is pretty much core to Microsoft's new security policy as well as their services I definitely don't see that going away. Its one of those things people will either learn to live with or will have to go Mac or Linux instead. As for the Start Menu I've read it is suppose to make a return in Windows 10. As I understand it Windows 10 will have an option to enable some sort of classic mode which is similar to Windows 7 with a Start Menu or a Metro style interface similar to Windows 8. So that at least isn't totally out of the question here. As for their cloud accounts I don't see that going anywhere either. A lot of commercial software is going to the online approach and I foresee Microsoft doing something similar to google where you'll run Microsoft Office and other apps online via the cloud and your desktop or laptop will be for local files but the OS and applications will be accessed via the cloud. Don't believe me just look what Google has done with Chrome OS. Basically, if you start up a Chromebook all you get is a web browser that allows you to run gmail, Google drive, Google docs, etc and nothing is accessed on your Chromebook. Its all in the cloud. I'm sure Microsoft would be happy if they could do the same as they could charge for subscriptions rather than pay for people to buy software upgrades. On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I don't or i should say I did not like windows8.1 at all when I had it on this computer, because it would not run my windows xp virtual machine at all. it ran but audio was slow and it was buggy as ever. audio was so choppy it was completely unuseable. so I went back to windows7. now everything works better. microsoft better listen to their customers or I'll switch over to ubuntu linux and run windows xp in a vm on there. On 10/25/2014 2:58 AM, shaun everiss wrote: well I don't think they can just stop producing 7 just like that, all the boxes we have are on 7, and while there is a market for it pc manufacturers will still release drivers till at least support for updates ends. thats not for another 5 years. Even if ms stops drivver library support most drivers for ms are generic ones anyway. As well as this because of the 8x disaster ms really needs to make sure that their new os works this time, right now it looks ok but there is always a chance to wreck it later. To be honest if xp didn't drop outside support I'd continue using it and now it appears they are trying to make vertuals with xp not work in 8 and up put it this way I have no desire to even think of upgrading. At 07:24 p.m. 24/10/2014, you wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan On 10/23/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if you are on a low income you can get laptops from newegg and from blaire technology group for between $200 and $300 and they are quite powerful and run windows7. some with windows8.1. but I've found more games run on win7 even today. I tried win8.1 and it froze and made my CPU keep running at 100% even on the desktop with nothing open. so last night I went back to windows7 professional. that's another thing if you want a long long support cycle with windows be sure to get the professional version never buy home versions. On 10/23/2014 5:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better for them if Microsoft continued releasing updates indefinitely, but do to the costs of running a software business such a thing isn't really feasible. Although, that is one reason I use quite a bit of open source software such as Linux. Cost isn't really a factor for me. I get an operating system, screen reader, office suite, and a bunch of other software for basically the cost of a download and a disc to burn it on. Therefore the way I see it if someone wants to stay up to date and is on a limited budget there are options other than Windows if someone is willing to make the conversion to a less expensive alternative. Cheers! On 10/23/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
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I like having my local account! if I were an IT manager and if I were running a company I would not save stuff in the cloud I would want it where I know I could get at it. backups in the cloud? maybe if they were super secure. primary employee stuff would be local. and if I ran a company an ms kept messing up my company would switch over to ubuntu. Ubuntu is in the top 10 linux distributions on distrowatch.com . On 10/25/2014 3:06 AM, shaun everiss wrote: Well hopefully from a tech standpoint I won't have to upgrade at least 2 of the units here for at least another 5 or 6 years. And to be honest unless one of them breaks I am not sure if I will upgrade for some time to come. I know for a fact that several people on the network are retiring in the next 2 or so years and that will change slightly the use of at least 1 of the computers. I am not sure how much change that will mean as there will continue to be a lot of business stuff on there but point is, the funds I will have after the next 2 years or so will not really be that great. I doubt for instance that next time I upgrade it will be because windows is out of support, more likely it will be because my laptop battery has exploded or something. Thing is for the last 3-4 upgrades either I have needed it or the systems in question are broken or have not been upgraded for some time. With one acception every user is happy with their level of power. In short ms will need to really convince people to switch, I know for example that 7 is the last os that doesn't need a ms account to login. 10 now its the only way to use the system and I am sure that later oses will not have local account either. At 01:15 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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should say I'll switch over to ubuntu gnome version of linux. On 10/25/2014 2:58 AM, shaun everiss wrote: well I don't think they can just stop producing 7 just like that, all the boxes we have are on 7, and while there is a market for it pc manufacturers will still release drivers till at least support for updates ends. thats not for another 5 years. Even if ms stops drivver library support most drivers for ms are generic ones anyway. As well as this because of the 8x disaster ms really needs to make sure that their new os works this time, right now it looks ok but there is always a chance to wreck it later. To be honest if xp didn't drop outside support I'd continue using it and now it appears they are trying to make vertuals with xp not work in 8 and up put it this way I have no desire to even think of upgrading. At 07:24 p.m. 24/10/2014, you wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan On 10/23/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if you are on a low income you can get laptops from newegg and from blaire technology group for between $200 and $300 and they are quite powerful and run windows7. some with windows8.1. but I've found more games run on win7 even today. I tried win8.1 and it froze and made my CPU keep running at 100% even on the desktop with nothing open. so last night I went back to windows7 professional. that's another thing if you want a long long support cycle with windows be sure to get the professional version never buy home versions. On 10/23/2014 5:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better for them if Microsoft continued releasing updates indefinitely, but do to the costs of running a software business such a thing isn't really feasible. Although, that is one reason I use quite a bit of open source software such as Linux. Cost isn't really a factor for me. I get an operating system, screen reader, office suite, and a bunch of other software for basically the cost of a download and a disc to burn it on. Therefore the way I see it if someone wants to stay up to date and is on a limited budget there are options other than Windows if someone is willing to make the conversion to a less expensive alternative. Cheers! On 10/23/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
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and if your internet goes out or down, oh well you no longer have access to your software. On 10/25/2014 9:18 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, as the MS account is pretty much core to Microsoft's new security policy as well as their services I definitely don't see that going away. Its one of those things people will either learn to live with or will have to go Mac or Linux instead. As for the Start Menu I've read it is suppose to make a return in Windows 10. As I understand it Windows 10 will have an option to enable some sort of classic mode which is similar to Windows 7 with a Start Menu or a Metro style interface similar to Windows 8. So that at least isn't totally out of the question here. As for their cloud accounts I don't see that going anywhere either. A lot of commercial software is going to the online approach and I foresee Microsoft doing something similar to google where you'll run Microsoft Office and other apps online via the cloud and your desktop or laptop will be for local files but the OS and applications will be accessed via the cloud. Don't believe me just look what Google has done with Chrome OS. Basically, if you start up a Chromebook all you get is a web browser that allows you to run gmail, Google drive, Google docs, etc and nothing is accessed on your Chromebook. Its all in the cloud. I'm sure Microsoft would be happy if they could do the same as they could charge for subscriptions rather than pay for people to buy software upgrades. On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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ok then if ms won't do those things then I hope everybody and all developers will start switching to ubuntu gnome. NVDA for ubuntu gnome or a better orca and more voices available in its app store. and if I want to run windows I'll run windows xp or windows7 in a vm on the ubuntu host until everything is all switched over. On 10/25/2014 3:09 AM, shaun everiss wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. At 01:37 a.m. 25/10/2014, you wrote: yes I wonder what the new mainstream business OS will be in 5 or 6 years? maybe windows10? right now businesses are staying with windows7. On 10/24/2014 8:15 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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and do you really think businesses are gunna want to use microsoft accounts for everything? I would not. On 10/25/2014 9:18 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, as the MS account is pretty much core to Microsoft's new security policy as well as their services I definitely don't see that going away. Its one of those things people will either learn to live with or will have to go Mac or Linux instead. As for the Start Menu I've read it is suppose to make a return in Windows 10. As I understand it Windows 10 will have an option to enable some sort of classic mode which is similar to Windows 7 with a Start Menu or a Metro style interface similar to Windows 8. So that at least isn't totally out of the question here. As for their cloud accounts I don't see that going anywhere either. A lot of commercial software is going to the online approach and I foresee Microsoft doing something similar to google where you'll run Microsoft Office and other apps online via the cloud and your desktop or laptop will be for local files but the OS and applications will be accessed via the cloud. Don't believe me just look what Google has done with Chrome OS. Basically, if you start up a Chromebook all you get is a web browser that allows you to run gmail, Google drive, Google docs, etc and nothing is accessed on your Chromebook. Its all in the cloud. I'm sure Microsoft would be happy if they could do the same as they could charge for subscriptions rather than pay for people to buy software upgrades. On 10/25/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: who knows josh. personally ms will have to do several things which they won't do. 1. scrap the ms account as a must when logging in and making local account hard to find or create. 2. bring back the start menu in 7 without any extras or even xp. they won't do that. 3. forget about their cloud account as extras,. 4. bring back the xp interface ie8 etc which for an interface was quite good. I have family that due to security and other things have a system with offline on everything they don't even use the net with it. win8 is what is used but most of that is online cloud stuff ms account, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan On 10/23/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if you are on a low income you can get laptops from newegg and from blaire technology group for between $200 and $300 and they are quite powerful and run windows7. some with windows8.1. but I've found more games run on win7 even today. I tried win8.1 and it froze and made my CPU keep running at 100% even on the desktop with nothing open. so last night I went back to windows7 professional. that's another thing if you want a long long support cycle with windows be sure to get the professional version never buy home versions. On 10/23/2014 5:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better for them if Microsoft continued releasing updates indefinitely, but do to the costs of running a software business such a thing isn't really feasible. Although, that is one reason I use quite a bit of open source software such as Linux. Cost isn't really a factor for me. I get an operating system, screen reader, office suite, and a bunch of other software for basically the cost of a download and a disc to burn it on. Therefore the way I see it if someone wants to stay up to date and is on a limited budget there are options other than Windows if someone is willing to make the conversion to a less expensive alternative. Cheers! On 10/23/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
if you use windows7 professional like I do, then you will have good support and updates through the year 2020 or so. On 10/24/2014 2:24 AM, ishan dhami wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan On 10/23/14, Josh k joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: if you are on a low income you can get laptops from newegg and from blaire technology group for between $200 and $300 and they are quite powerful and run windows7. some with windows8.1. but I've found more games run on win7 even today. I tried win8.1 and it froze and made my CPU keep running at 100% even on the desktop with nothing open. so last night I went back to windows7 professional. that's another thing if you want a long long support cycle with windows be sure to get the professional version never buy home versions. On 10/23/2014 5:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better for them if Microsoft continued releasing updates indefinitely, but do to the costs of running a software business such a thing isn't really feasible. Although, that is one reason I use quite a bit of open source software such as Linux. Cost isn't really a factor for me. I get an operating system, screen reader, office suite, and a bunch of other software for basically the cost of a download and a disc to burn it on. Therefore the way I see it if someone wants to stay up to date and is on a limited budget there are options other than Windows if someone is willing to make the conversion to a less expensive alternative. Cheers! On 10/23/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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yes I wonder what the new mainstream business OS will be in 5 or 6 years? maybe windows10? right now businesses are staying with windows7. On 10/24/2014 8:15 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello Ishan, There will still be updates for Windows 7 available past January 13 2015. What you are confused about is on January 13 2015 Microsoft will officially end mainstream technical support for Windows 7, but that does not mean there won't be any updates available for the OS. All it really means is that Microsoft will be switching Windows 7 over to an extended support policy which will end in January 2020. As such Microsoft will continue to offer critical updates such as security patches and updated drivers, but will not be offering updated features or applications for the OS. So in short Josh or anyone else who chooses to stay with Windows 7 should be fine until 2020 when Microsoft will pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008. As that is five years of extended support that should be plenty of time for people to decide to either upgrade to Windows 8.1 or alternatively to Windows 10. Both of which should have any bugs and support issues worked out by that time. Who knows something better might be available by then and people will want to upgrade to that. In any case there isn't any need to worry or panic about Windows 7 support being dropped in January. Only mainstream general technical support is ending. Security updates, driver updates, and any other critical updates will still be provided until 2020. Cheers! On 10/24/14, ishan dhami ishan1dha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi josh sir! but what you will do after January? because now microsoft will not provide drivers and other things. The company want to end the technical support. Thanks Ishan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction Hi Charles, I think the primary issue here are there are two basic philosophies here about computer tech. there are those with the mantra if it ain't broke don't fix it and those who say it is broke so fix it. Obviously those opinions are completely opposed to each other and as such things go are both right and wrong at the same time. It is hard to fault anyone for sticking with what works. After all if it suits there needs why push them to upgrade to something else? The reason people are so eager to upgrade is because they realize there are problems with the old tech that either don't matter or of no concern to those who do not choose to upgrade. Just for example we could talk about XP. It was a great OS for its time, but now that it is not getting regular security updates it could fall victim to hackers, viruses, and other forms of malware simply for not receiving regular servicing. A more security conscious computer user would switch to Windows 7 or Windows 8 which is currently getting servicing from Microsoft and that have tighter security built-in. Someone who is not concerned about security will stay with XP out of personal convenience, familiarity with the OS,or just personal preference. Someone like myself on the other hand tries to get the best out of both worlds. Thanks to virtual machines I really can have both and not worry too much about being left behind. All of my computers are either running Windows 7 or Linux, but I also have virtual machines configured for XP to play older games too. Given that I do take security seriously my XP virtual machines are used only for games and older apps, but are never connected to the internet making them as secure as they can be. If I want to use the internet I'll use Linux or Windows 7 with all security patches and updates installed. That way I am getting adequate protection from hackers, viruses, and other malware while still enjoying my older software that isn't being updated. In short, the reason you are getting a but every time you tell someone you want to stick with what works is that the more technically savvy people realize there could be issues with the old tech you may or may have not considered. Like everything in life there are two sides to the situation, and it all depends on how much of an issue those issues are that makes one choose to upgrade or stick with what they have. On 10/22/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: When it comes to throwaway hardware and software due to the age of the so-called antiquated hardware or software, I am one of those who stays with what works. It really bothers me when people say, I understand your situation, but, . . . They always put that but in there, and then say why I must upgrade. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better for them if Microsoft continued releasing updates indefinitely, but do to the costs of running a software business such a thing isn't really feasible. Although, that is one reason I use quite a bit of open source software such as Linux. Cost isn't really a factor for me. I get an operating system, screen reader, office suite, and a bunch of other software for basically the cost of a download and a disc to burn it on. Therefore the way I see it if someone wants to stay up to date and is on a limited budget there are options other than Windows if someone is willing to make the conversion to a less expensive alternative. Cheers! On 10/23/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic ofInteractiveFiction
if you are on a low income you can get laptops from newegg and from blaire technology group for between $200 and $300 and they are quite powerful and run windows7. some with windows8.1. but I've found more games run on win7 even today. I tried win8.1 and it froze and made my CPU keep running at 100% even on the desktop with nothing open. so last night I went back to windows7 professional. that's another thing if you want a long long support cycle with windows be sure to get the professional version never buy home versions. On 10/23/2014 5:08 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, True. Obviously, for people on low income etc it would be better for them if Microsoft continued releasing updates indefinitely, but do to the costs of running a software business such a thing isn't really feasible. Although, that is one reason I use quite a bit of open source software such as Linux. Cost isn't really a factor for me. I get an operating system, screen reader, office suite, and a bunch of other software for basically the cost of a download and a disc to burn it on. Therefore the way I see it if someone wants to stay up to date and is on a limited budget there are options other than Windows if someone is willing to make the conversion to a less expensive alternative. Cheers! On 10/23/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only reason that updates aren't available is that they aren't provided. I know that the newer technology and hardware is better, but if you can't afford it due to bills, low income and other major stumbling blocks, you're stuck. If the updates were provided, for the end user anyway, problem solved. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
