Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
And I can see why they may do it.
At 03:40 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>I know. It's absolutely ridiculous. There is a website where customers can 
>pay professional crackers to crack software, or so I've been told. It drives 
>me crackers.
>
>Regards,
>Damien
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't have a pay pal acount iether, but but but:
>>
>> 1. In future, can devs please make money order possible (or does this 
>> cost)?
>> Its really hard for me as I don't own a credit card, and well, I guess I
>> could ask my mom to use hers and I'd pay her back, but this is straying 
>> out
>> of the topic.
>> 2. I do not feel that people should be cracking games just because they
>> don't have a pay pal acount. As leom just said, he put his time into 
>> making
>> this game enjoyable for everyone, so why do people need to crack it? I 
>> guess
>> that's simple. Because there is no other way to get the payed version for
>> some people, although that's no reason to crack it. If you can't buy it, 
>> if
>> you don't have the funds, don't try out the demo which in turn might not
>> tempt you to crack it.
>> 3. Sorry if this is off topic, but I just feel the need to say this once.
>> People, if you are going to crack games, then don't bitch about people not
>> making good enough games so you can crack them again. Seriously, what 
>> makes
>> you think you can crack games after people such as tom, leom, and a lot
>> others have put time and money into them? I just hate seeing devs get
>> smashed when the person who is smashing them has a crack of there game.
>> That's just, well, completely annoying, and if I was next to them...well 
>> you
>> get the picture. Sorry for the bad language btw. This is just really
>> honestly bugging me half to death and I will never put cracks of games on 
>> my
>> ftp. People that do, well, I feel sorry for you. Also for people who crack
>> these great games even when there's such a small audience to support them 
>> to
>> begin with.
>>
>>
>> Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood!
>>
>> contact details:
>>
>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> skype: the_conman283
>>
>> system details:
>> Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc
>> AMD Tourin 64 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM HDD
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Ryan Chou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>
>>
>>> okay liam I admit it
>>> I cracked JD because well I couldn't buy it because I don't have pay
>>> pal, nothing
>>>
>>> On 2/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since 
 you're
 not supporting
 it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I
 can't
 vuy it. I
 can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have
 the
 setup file for it.
 So, what is there to do.

 On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote:


 >It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around
 >cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products.
 >This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is
 >bad.  Ya.  It's bad.  We all know that.  My big question is.  why do
 >people feel th eneed to do it?  I mean.  is there a problem with the
 >demo?  Is it too short?  Or are some people just big jerks.  I'm not
 >going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of
 >not only asking for, but supplying this information.  I don't want this
 >to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and 
 >cause
 >thomas raul and kevin headakes.  I just want to know why people feel 
 >the
 >need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince
 >people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time
 >writing.
 >for those who don't know me.  It's pretty much just me who program
 >everything.  You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the
 >hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual
 >impairments.  I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it
 >disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard
 >work for free.  If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you
 >can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  If you've pirated a game and want to
 >admit it, I won't hold anything against you.  all I want you to do is 
 >to
 >tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be
 >held.
 >
 >thanks:
 >Liam
 >
 >
 >---
 >G

Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
yeah, music and audio is one thing software is another.
At 04:20 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Damien,
>Exactly. That was one of the points I was trying to get at. I am willing 
>to bet most of us have copied a music cd, recorded a music tape, etc and 
>gave it to a friend not thinking much about it. Well, I  use to feel 
>that way about cracking software.I was very idealistic, and sort of 
>believed we should just share everything and not pay for it. Which 
>happens to be a grand but unrealistic outlook on life.
>
>
>Damien Sadler wrote:
>> Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same before 
>> I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard it is 
>> to do something.
>> I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software or 
>> copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only like 
>> recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's, 
>> cracking software's the new way.
>> But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked software 
>> on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal licences 
>> for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various software 
>> libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Damien
>>   
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
I tried to program but gave in, did some courses and just didn't get interested.
I do try to stay as legally free if I can, about 98% of software is free, 
shareware with no demo or limitation or opensource windows, flashxp and prity 
much all the games here on are purchaced ones.
The rest, well its very small.
I must admit I do get music, who doesn't get music, and audio, its mostly for 
me to listen to I don't share it much at all.
And audiobooks.
I do have lagit mp3s too.
At 03:49 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same before 
>I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard it is 
>to do something.
>I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software or 
>copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only like 
>recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's, 
>cracking software's the new way.
>But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked software 
>on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal licences 
>for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various software 
>libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems.
>
>Regards,
>Damien
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
>
>> Hi Liam and all,
>> I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some
>> explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you
>> need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate.
>> A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily
>> be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go
>> clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude
>> like, "why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free?"
>> On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a
>> Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd,
>> software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and
>> criminal behavior.
>> On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard
>> to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not
>> wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I
>> can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed
>> my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright
>> from the store someone lost money from my piracy.
>> Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply
>> did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a
>> group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was
>> candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we
>> would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever
>> got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for
>> download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did.
>> Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine
>> not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while
>> that weather I copied software or stole  it directly from Best Buy,
>> Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long
>> time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also
>> had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was
>> wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a
>> conscience?
>> Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human
>> heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I
>> didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't
>> use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want
>> to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to
>> steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my
>> conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, "copying software
>> isn't like armed robbery."
>> In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience.
>> Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that
>> piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves
>> accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for
>> material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love,
>> friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are
>> truly worth while, and can bring true joy.
>> Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games
>> has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling
>> your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied
>> pinheads with no conscie

Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
right on the nail tom as always.
At 03:51 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Charles,
>Well, the answer to your question is simple. Humans lie best when we lie 
>to ourselves. We are masters of making up double standards such as 
>software cracking is wrong until it is inconvenient for me.
>
>Charles Rivard wrote:
>> You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't 
>> understand why people just
>> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something like
>> beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
>>
>> Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless of 
>> the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
>>
>>
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>>   
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going alegal 
software wise.
I still do music though.
Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s.
At 04:41 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Charles,
>I am glad you liked my message. It is one of those insights that comes 
>with age and maturity. You know how teenagers are?
>Well, as a teenager I was your typical teen who thought he knew 
>everything about everything. I was the perfect Marxist though I didn't 
>know it at the time. Let's get rid of commercial software and make it 
>free, why don't we share everything instead of charging for it, why 
>don't we git rid of this or that law, etc. Well, as I got older I 
>realized how unrealistic all those foolish ideas were, and that 
>communism is doomed to fail, because
>there is no desire to work for something better, no desire to achieve a 
>goal, no effort in earning your rewards. It is in achieving those 
>rewards for good work that makes us feel successful, appreciative of 
>what we have, and to do better.
>
>
>Charles Rivard wrote:
>> Thanks for the interesting insite.
>>
>> ---
>> If you don't stand behind our troops,
>> please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
>>   
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Re: [Audyssey] New PB-Games download mirror.

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
I think showdown is missing to.
At 07:29 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>You're missing 3d snake.. let me know if you need me to upload it.
>
>On 2/4/08, Thomas Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello list,
>> As of today my web site
>> http://www.usagames.us
>> has just become an official mirror for PB-Games products such as Dark
>> Destroyer, Duck Blaster, and Tarzan Junior. IN addition I have posted a
>> link for Self-Destruct 1.1.6 from XL Studios.
>> You can download any and all of these games from my game download page
>> http://www.usagames.us/games.php
>> Enjoy.
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
Why do you need to format once a month.
You don't have to do that unless something is failing.
Something is failing and the thing needs to be replaced.
or it could be security if you do that sort of securing in a large org.
You don't need to reformat once a month.
I recomend you image the drive with ghost or something that in theory should 
allow you to keep your id.
At 07:22 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
>game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
>it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
>and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
>super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
>really bought the game.
>
>On 2/5/08, Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think he just forgot the don't.
>> If everyone cared and nobody cried
>> If everyone loved and nobody lied
>> If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
>> Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
>> Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>
>>
>> > You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
>> > understand why people just
>> > fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
>> > like
>> > beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
>> >
>> > Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless
>> > of
>> > the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
>> >
>> >
>> > ---
>> > If you don't stand behind our troops,
>> > please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Tj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Liam,
>> >>
>> >> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why people just
>> >> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
>> >> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Audyssey] running games on a stick?

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
u3 is interesting.
You are supposedly able to run an entire os from one of these babies.
I suppose you couldinstall stuff thatwould fit to a u3, but it couldn't use 
regestry things, and you would probably have to get the direct binary.
At 07:21 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>I'm not exactly sure, as this is a bit new to me, but I just bought a u3 
>stick. According to my friend, with a u3 stick, you can install things on it 
>like a hard drive, and then plug it into any pc and run any program off it 
>without disturbing the configuration of the pc on which you're running these 
>from, because it's just between your pc and drive. At the uni where I am, 
>there are no accessible games installed for totally blind people, so when we 
>have finished our work, the sighted people can play solitaire, but nothing 
>for us. If this is what a u3 stick does, how do I install games onto it, I'd 
>like Sound RTS, Showdown, and some of the SpoonBill Card games. We can't 
>install any games directly onto the pc itself, it's not an administrator 
>thing, but it has a program that, whenever the pc restarts, software gets 
>deleted.
>Ari 
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
I never found the bonus round so I don't know what that is.
At 03:54 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>I think it restricts the bonus round.
>Regards,
>Damien
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list" 
>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:17 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
>
>> and why do we need to reg it anyway I can play the entire thing as it is.
>> At 12:20 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>>>Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're 
>>>not supporting
>>>it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I 
>>>can't vuy it. I
>>>can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have 
>>>the setup file for it.
>>>So, what is there to do.
>>>
>>>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote:
>>>
>>>
It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around
cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products.
This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is
bad.  Ya.  It's bad.  We all know that.  My big question is.  why do
people feel th eneed to do it?  I mean.  is there a problem with the
demo?  Is it too short?  Or are some people just big jerks.  I'm not
going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of
not only asking for, but supplying this information.  I don't want this
to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause
thomas raul and kevin headakes.  I just want to know why people feel the
need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince
people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time
writing.
for those who don't know me.  It's pretty much just me who program
everything.  You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the
hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual
impairments.  I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it
disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard
work for free.  If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you
can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  If you've pirated a game and want to
admit it, I won't hold anything against you.  all I want you to do is to
tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be
held.

thanks:
Liam


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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Liam,

I know how much work goes into making games.  And I know that there is even 
more if you are trying to sell them, have on line play or score boards.  
Truthfully I have never bought an accessible game.  However I have never ever 
cracked or run a cracked one either.  I do have a few of the free bees and 
demos that are fun like Bobby's Revenge.  That's just good fun around the 
holidays.   But anyway, I mostly just make any game that I want to play.  
Since I don't charge for my games I have never been mad about cracking my games 
of course.  Have been mad though when people have totally modded them so that 
they were no longer the game that I worked so hard to create.

BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] Anyone willing to make a recording for me?

2008-02-05 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
I already have a recording of myself playing the entire Super Liam game. 
Check out www.liamerven.com/games for the back up files as I still have 
not gotten off my lazy posterior to put up my games.asmodean.net site 
back up.

James Scholes said the following on 2/4/2008 3:46 PM:
> Hi all, I know this is a lot to ask, but would anyone be willing to record 
> them self playing act 2 of the lava lake in Super Liam? Please?
> James Scholes
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[Audyssey] self distruct uninstall problem

2008-02-05 Thread josh
Hi,

I'm trying to uninstall or remove self distruct from my computer and I'm 
getting the following error.

Error
The uninstall log file "C:\Program Files\XLStudios, SI\Self 
Destruct\unins000.dat" is in a format not recognized by this
version of the uninstaller. Cannot uninstall.
OK

How can I remove self distruct?

Josh



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Re: [Audyssey] hunting for the audyssey zip file.

2008-02-05 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Hmm, you could always try Guyeggoes if you are using Eloquence. But 
yeah, I received the zip file of the games and this weekend I'll do some 
work on it.

Charles Rivard said the following on 2/4/2008 10:31 PM:
> Who is he, and does JAWS pronounce his last name correctly?  If not, how, 
> phonetically, should it be pronounced?  (grins on all questions)
> 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] hunting for the audyssey zip file.
> 
> 
>> I have a funny feeling that audyssey.org would be a good place to host
>> it at. . I hear the maintainer of the domain is a really cool guy.
>>
>>
>> Ron Schamerhorn said the following on 1/31/2008 2:12 PM:
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>>   About the Audyssey zip file, I'll finish putting it together and then 
>>> can
>>> send it off to whoever wants it or to someone who would host it.  I've 
>>> got
>>> all the mags and will get it done in the next couple days.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> Audyssey Editor
>>>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
I don't download music illegally. All the music I have on my computers, 
audio players, ETC is music which I've riped from my own cds which I've 
purchased? Am I guilty of copying music in the past? Sure I am, I would 
be lying if I said I've never copied music, dvd movies, etc, but like 
Tom, I've seen the truth that steeling is steeling, whether it's music, 
movies, games, software, or physical things from a store.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make you or anyone else forced to 
feel the way i do, I just want to point out that when someone says that 
pirating software is not the same as music, they are obviously 
convincing themselves and they are wrong with that. But that is just my 
opinion, and like certain body orifices, everyone has one.

shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:25 AM:
> I tried to program but gave in, did some courses and just didn't get 
> interested.
> I do try to stay as legally free if I can, about 98% of software is free, 
> shareware with no demo or limitation or opensource windows, flashxp and prity 
> much all the games here on are purchaced ones.
> The rest, well its very small.
> I must admit I do get music, who doesn't get music, and audio, its mostly for 
> me to listen to I don't share it much at all.
> And audiobooks.
> I do have lagit mp3s too.
> At 03:49 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>> Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same before 
>> I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard it is 
>> to do something.
>> I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software or 
>> copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only like 
>> recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's, 
>> cracking software's the new way.
>> But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked software 
>> on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal licences 
>> for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various software 
>> libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Damien
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>
>>
>>> Hi Liam and all,
>>> I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some
>>> explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you
>>> need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate.
>>> A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily
>>> be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go
>>> clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude
>>> like, "why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free?"
>>> On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a
>>> Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd,
>>> software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and
>>> criminal behavior.
>>> On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard
>>> to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not
>>> wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I
>>> can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed
>>> my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright
>>> from the store someone lost money from my piracy.
>>> Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply
>>> did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a
>>> group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was
>>> candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we
>>> would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever
>>> got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for
>>> download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did.
>>> Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine
>>> not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while
>>> that weather I copied software or stole  it directly from Best Buy,
>>> Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long
>>> time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also
>>> had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was
>>> wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a
>>> conscience?
>>> Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human
>>> heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I
>>> didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't
>>> use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want
>>> to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I

Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Regardless of whether you format once per week or once per year, you 
should not have cracked software. If it means asking for extra codes, 
that is what you do. Some companies like BSC Games has a 4 limit per 
year code replacement, but again, any typical person does not format 
more than once every six months. If you do, it's usually because you are 
running a test machine or doing something you are not supposed to in the 
first place. Also, I've seen game keys with your name being passed 
around. If you want to call that accusing, then so be it. So, I 
recommend you fess up and stop, or you may find yourself getting 
reported to people who just may be able to do something about it.

oriol gómez said the following on 2/5/2008 1:22 AM:
> Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
> game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
> it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
> and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
> super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
> really bought the game.
> 
> On 2/5/08, Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think he just forgot the don't.
>> If everyone cared and nobody cried
>> If everyone loved and nobody lied
>> If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
>> Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
>> Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>
>>
>>> You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
>>> understand why people just
>>> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
>>> like
>>> beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
>>>
>>> Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless
>>> of
>>> the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>>
>>>
 Hi Liam,

 I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why people just
 fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
 like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
>>>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
This is the kind of attitude which clearly shows a 2-faced mentality. On 
one hand you say you don't pirate software, then on the other hand, you 
say you pirate music. What's the difference?

Amazing hypocrisy.

shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:29 AM:
> well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going alegal 
> software wise.
> I still do music though.
> Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s.
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Kuvvosh
Well I don't crack, but I do have a prob with some Activation of software.
I do a lot of Beta testing and as such I reformat my computer almost ever
month as well if not more.  So I know Dev's get tired of seing a new key and
have to send another one, and probley thinking I'm cracking or something.
So I've kind of just gave up on the games I've bought that required
activation at the moment.  I got 4 games that need activation and right now
they sitting on a server till I feel that I can keep a system from being
formatted all the t ime from beta testing.  Matter of Fact, I just got a new
laptop that I don't put beta software on, and Might throw them on there and
activate them there.  Also if you format your computer a lot, might want to
consider on a Back-up Imaging system, that's what I'm using now to restore
without having to lose safed info and stuff.

Kuvvosh

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of shaun everiss
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:39 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

Why do you need to format once a month.
You don't have to do that unless something is failing.
Something is failing and the thing needs to be replaced.
or it could be security if you do that sort of securing in a large org.
You don't need to reformat once a month.
I recomend you image the drive with ghost or something that in theory should
allow you to keep your id.
At 07:22 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
>game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
>it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
>and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
>super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
>really bought the game.
>
>On 2/5/08, Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think he just forgot the don't.
>> If everyone cared and nobody cried
>> If everyone loved and nobody lied
>> If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
>> Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
>> Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>
>>
>> > You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
>> > understand why people just
>> > fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
>> > like
>> > beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
>> >
>> > Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself.
Regardless
>> > of
>> > the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
>> >
>> >
>> > ---
>> > If you don't stand behind our troops,
>> > please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Tj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Liam,
>> >>
>> >> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why people
just
>> >> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was
something
>> >> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Audyssey] Atari games

2008-02-05 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
I remember it, but never had it. I was able to borrow it from a friend 
and it was fun. But yeah, Dig Dug and Jungle Hunt were two other good 
ones. I especially liked the swimming levels of Jungle Hunt.

darren harris said the following on 2/4/2008 3:50 PM:
> I loved that game!! That was adictive!! Remember mouse trap? 
> 
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> Sent: 04 February 2008 20:51
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> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Atari games
> 
> 
> I remember doing that with various games. One in particular was 
> Kangaroo. When you went into that weird mode, you got to play a 
> different level. Not sure if it was by design or just really weird, but 
> there it was. Also, Dig Dug would present you with another level with 
> all kinds of different and goofy colors.
> 
> Darren Harris said the following on 2/4/2008 2:53 PM:
>> You had to switch it off and on in the right way and fiddle about with 
>> the switch. It made the game do funny things.


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Re: [Audyssey] Atari games

2008-02-05 Thread Darren Harris
We're forgetting packman!! Now phils packman puts me very much in mind of
the old atari packman. By the way the maze is organized. Still if I could
get my hands on that old first version of packman I'd play that for ages!!

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I remember it, but never had it. I was able to borrow it from a friend 
and it was fun. But yeah, Dig Dug and Jungle Hunt were two other good 
ones. I especially liked the swimming levels of Jungle Hunt.

darren harris said the following on 2/4/2008 3:50 PM:
> I loved that game!! That was adictive!! Remember mouse trap?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
> Sent: 04 February 2008 20:51
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> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Atari games
> 
> 
> I remember doing that with various games. One in particular was
> Kangaroo. When you went into that weird mode, you got to play a 
> different level. Not sure if it was by design or just really weird, but 
> there it was. Also, Dig Dug would present you with another level with 
> all kinds of different and goofy colors.
> 
> Darren Harris said the following on 2/4/2008 2:53 PM:
>> You had to switch it off and on in the right way and fiddle about 
>> with
>> the switch. It made the game do funny things.


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Re: [Audyssey] self distruct

2008-02-05 Thread josh
I'm getting the same thing and I'm running xp pro here at home.

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> You can get a registration code by running the keygen program that comes
> with the game. As Thomas said in another post, the program is in 
> c:\Program
> Files assuming you installed the game there. It isn't in the Self-Destruct
> game folder itself. I don't think it likes Vista though. When trying to 
> get
> a game ID it says it doesn't exist, and when trying to uninstal it says 
> the
> uninstal.dat log isn't recognized. I'm guessing I have to manually 
> uninstall
> the game, but I don't know if it has any registry keys created.
>
> --
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>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is there any way to register self distruct?
>>
>> Josh
>>
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] Atari games

2008-02-05 Thread Bryan
Ah yes, fond memories. I still have my copy actually. Ok so it's not the 
original but it came with the Atari I got from my sister's x about ten years 
ago. It has cool sound, even if it's not as cool as the Arcade version.
If everyone cared and nobody cried
If everyone loved and nobody lied
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Atari games


> We're forgetting packman!! Now phils packman puts me very much in mind of
> the old atari packman. By the way the maze is organized. Still if I could
> get my hands on that old first version of packman I'd play that for ages!!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
> Sent: 05 February 2008 13:44
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Atari games
>
>
> I remember it, but never had it. I was able to borrow it from a friend
> and it was fun. But yeah, Dig Dug and Jungle Hunt were two other good
> ones. I especially liked the swimming levels of Jungle Hunt.
>
> darren harris said the following on 2/4/2008 3:50 PM:
>> I loved that game!! That was adictive!! Remember mouse trap?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
>> Sent: 04 February 2008 20:51
>> To: Gamers Discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Atari games
>>
>>
>> I remember doing that with various games. One in particular was
>> Kangaroo. When you went into that weird mode, you got to play a
>> different level. Not sure if it was by design or just really weird, but
>> there it was. Also, Dig Dug would present you with another level with
>> all kinds of different and goofy colors.
>>
>> Darren Harris said the following on 2/4/2008 2:53 PM:
>>> You had to switch it off and on in the right way and fiddle about
>>> with
>>> the switch. It made the game do funny things.
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] Atari games

2008-02-05 Thread Bryan
Ah yes, Jungle Hunt. Another favorite of mine. In fact if you look at BSC's 
hunter, the final level is very similar to the first level of Jungle Hunt 
except tat in JH you weren't necessarily crossing a waterfall and you only 
had to jump up and grab the vines. The game did the rest for you. It had 
cool audio though, especially in the last level.
If everyone cared and nobody cried
If everyone loved and nobody lied
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
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From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Atari games


>I remember it, but never had it. I was able to borrow it from a friend
> and it was fun. But yeah, Dig Dug and Jungle Hunt were two other good
> ones. I especially liked the swimming levels of Jungle Hunt.
>
> darren harris said the following on 2/4/2008 3:50 PM:
>> I loved that game!! That was adictive!! Remember mouse trap?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
>> Sent: 04 February 2008 20:51
>> To: Gamers Discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Atari games
>>
>>
>> I remember doing that with various games. One in particular was
>> Kangaroo. When you went into that weird mode, you got to play a
>> different level. Not sure if it was by design or just really weird, but
>> there it was. Also, Dig Dug would present you with another level with
>> all kinds of different and goofy colors.
>>
>> Darren Harris said the following on 2/4/2008 2:53 PM:
>>> You had to switch it off and on in the right way and fiddle about with
>>> the switch. It made the game do funny things.
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] self distruct uninstall problem

2008-02-05 Thread Bryan Mckinnish
Hi.
Run the setup file again and then when it finnishes uninstall it. I had the 
same problem once.
Hth.
Bryan Mckinnish
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> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to uninstall or remove self distruct from my computer and I'm
> getting the following error.
>
> Error
> The uninstall log file "C:\Program Files\XLStudios, SI\Self
> Destruct\unins000.dat" is in a format not recognized by this
> version of the uninstaller. Cannot uninstall.
> OK
>
> How can I remove self distruct?
>
> Josh
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Trouble
If you format that much. Then either you got major issues with the 
box and hardware or just need computer lessons.

At 01:22 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote:
>Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
>game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
>it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
>and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
>super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
>really bought the game.
>
>On 2/5/08, Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think he just forgot the don't.
> > If everyone cared and nobody cried
> > If everyone loved and nobody lied
> > If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
> > Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
> > Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
> >
> >
> > > You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
> > > understand why people just
> > > fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
> > > like
> > > beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
> > >
> > > Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless
> > > of
> > > the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
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> > > please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Tj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi Liam,
> > >>
> > >> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why 
> people just
> > >> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
> > >> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
> > >
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Willem
books are my main problem. I can't scan every book I want to read, so I 
download it from a site. Yeah, there are some electronic books, but it is 
pot luck if you'll get it in a format that your screen reader will read.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day


>I tried to program but gave in, did some courses and just didn't get 
>interested.
> I do try to stay as legally free if I can, about 98% of software is free, 
> shareware with no demo or limitation or opensource windows, flashxp and 
> prity much all the games here on are purchaced ones.
> The rest, well its very small.
> I must admit I do get music, who doesn't get music, and audio, its mostly 
> for me to listen to I don't share it much at all.
> And audiobooks.
> I do have lagit mp3s too.
> At 03:49 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>>Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same 
>>before
>>I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard it 
>>is
>>to do something.
>>I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software or
>>copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only 
>>like
>>recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's,
>>cracking software's the new way.
>>But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked software
>>on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal licences
>>for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various 
>>software
>>libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Damien
>>
>>
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>
>>
>>> Hi Liam and all,
>>> I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some
>>> explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you
>>> need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate.
>>> A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily
>>> be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go
>>> clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude
>>> like, "why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for 
>>> free?"
>>> On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a
>>> Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd,
>>> software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and
>>> criminal behavior.
>>> On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard
>>> to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not
>>> wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I
>>> can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed
>>> my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright
>>> from the store someone lost money from my piracy.
>>> Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply
>>> did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a
>>> group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was
>>> candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we
>>> would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever
>>> got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for
>>> download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we 
>>> did.
>>> Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine
>>> not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while
>>> that weather I copied software or stole  it directly from Best Buy,
>>> Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long
>>> time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also
>>> had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was
>>> wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a
>>> conscience?
>>> Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human
>>> heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I
>>> didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't
>>> use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want
>>> to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to
>>> steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my
>>> conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, "copying software
>>> isn't like armed robbery."
>>> In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience.
>>> Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that
>>> piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselv

Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Bryan
I'd hate to have to deal with reinstalling all my programs once a week. As i 
say in another post I see no credible reason to format that often. That's 
just riddiculous. Kinda like defragging once a day.
If everyone cared and nobody cried
If everyone loved and nobody lied
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
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From: "Trouble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day


> If you format that much. Then either you got major issues with the
> box and hardware or just need computer lessons.
>
> At 01:22 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote:
>>Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
>>game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
>>it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
>>and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
>>super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
>>really bought the game.
>>
>>On 2/5/08, Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I think he just forgot the don't.
>> > If everyone cared and nobody cried
>> > If everyone loved and nobody lied
>> > If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
>> > Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
>> > Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>> >
>> >
>> > > You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
>> > > understand why people just
>> > > fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was 
>> > > something
>> > > like
>> > > beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
>> > >
>> > > Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. 
>> > > Regardless
>> > > of
>> > > the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ---
>> > > If you don't stand behind our troops,
>> > > please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
>> > >
>> > > - Original Message -
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>> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Hi Liam,
>> > >>
>> > >> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why
>> people just
>> > >> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was 
>> > >> something
>> > >> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
>> > >
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Willem
I have the same problem with hardware based product key's, but I haven't any 
cracked games on any of my systems.
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> Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
> game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
> it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
> and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
> super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
> really bought the game.
>
> On 2/5/08, Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think he just forgot the don't.
>> If everyone cared and nobody cried
>> If everyone loved and nobody lied
>> If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
>> Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
>> Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>
>>
>> > You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
>> > understand why people just
>> > fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
>> > like
>> > beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
>> >
>> > Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. 
>> > Regardless
>> > of
>> > the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
>> >
>> >
>> > ---
>> > If you don't stand behind our troops,
>> > please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
>> >
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>> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Liam,
>> >>
>> >> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why people 
>> >> just
>> >> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was 
>> >> something
>> >> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
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Re: [Audyssey] Registering Self Destruct.

2008-02-05 Thread James Scholes
Sorry to sound stupid, but is Self Destruct a free game? If so, then why the 
keygen? If not, then I obveously understand why the keygen is included.

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> well the installer installs it wrongly in the root of program files folder 
> so you need to manually go to program files folder in c and run keygen 
> manually.
> you then can get it to work.
> At 11:48 a.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>The keyjen doesn't work, how can I register this game? I downloaded it off 
>>of Tom's site.
>>Ryan
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread James Scholes
I think he was refering to the fact that selling the game Beep for any 
price, no matter how low, with be a completely stupid move, as all you do is 
hit the space bar for 5 minutes, then its over! Just my thoughts.

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> You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
> understand why people just
> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something 
> like
> beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
>
> Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless 
> of
> the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
>
>
> ---
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> please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
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> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
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>
>> Hi Liam,
>>
>> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why people just
>> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
>> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
>
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[Audyssey] I just love sound puzzle! Anyone else?

2008-02-05 Thread Valiant (on laptop)
Sound puzzle rocks something serious. Those sounds you hear when you move your 
arrow keys around and you try to put all the sounds in the right places, they 
sound s cool. It's oddly relaxing to give that game a go, like during lunch 
at school, pull out the laptop and have a game of sound puzzle. I've beaten it 
like 5 times by now, I think my highest score was 18000 something. *pats self 
on the back proudly*
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Re: [Audyssey] Anyone willing to make a recording for me?

2008-02-05 Thread James Scholes
Cheers!

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> ok, i'll make a recording then.
> i'll talk to you on msn when it's done.
>
> regards,
>
> damien
>
>
> - Original Message - 
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>
>> Raul's recording is excelent, but it only covers act 1.
>>
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>> From: "Damien Sadler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:47 PM
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>>> I believe Raul has a recordingof it. In addition, I'm hoping to do some
>>> more
>>> game recordings soon too.
>>> Regards,
>>> Damien
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "James Scholes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:46 PM
>>> Subject: [Audyssey] Anyone willing to make a recording for me?
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>>>
 Hi all, I know this is a lot to ask, but would anyone be willing to
 record
 them self playing act 2 of the lava lake in Super Liam? Please?
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Michael Feir
It's been a while but I believe I'll step into the dirt this time around. 
I'm certainly guilty of mp3 piracy in the past. I used to hate buying an 
album and then discovering that out of thirteen or sixteen songs, there was 
maybe four or five that I actually enjoyed if I was very lucky. I used to 
deeply resent that. I found it all too easy to rationalise grabbing a song 
here or there that I actually wanted. With software, there's too much of a 
stretch for me to ever make that kind of compromise with morality. If I 
enjoy using a program, I'll either enjoy it enough to buy it or simply do 
without it. It's that cut and dried. You're purchasing one thing that 
presumeably does what you want or need it to do. There's no slippery slope 
there. It's just a moral cliff to either jump off or not. Personally, I much 
prefer the higher ground. If, for some reason, I need technical support or a 
replacement key, I know I'm entitled to good customer care.

On the music front, I've finally had the good luck to have found:

www.mp3fiesta.com

It sells mp3s very cheaply so that buying an album is something like two 
dollars US and individual tracks are around ten cents. Downloading the mp3s 
is as easy as downloading a regular file and I don't have to worry about 
them only working on one machine or anything like that. It's about as 
reasonable as humanly possible and I know I'm supporting the artists.

Any way you slice it, piracy is wrong. I'm not certain there's all that much 
to understand about why people do it. On the face of it, piracy doesn't seem 
wrong because no physical goods are being taken. I think we're all still 
catching up to the new digital world we live in. We have a hard time seeing 
the physical consequences of the act and that has allowed piracy to become 
as pervasive as it has particularly with music. In the accessible games 
industry, we'll feel the effects of piracy far more keenly as developers 
either go out of business or make their security more restrictive to the 
point where it starts to deny legitimate customers the ownership rights they 
ought to have. That process has already started with these activation keys 
which tie a game to a certain machine. I just had to get another code for 
Pipe2 so I could have it on my new desktop. If and when I'm able to get the 
funds to upgrade Jaws and go to a Vista machine, I'll have to do that all 
over again. If people keep passing around keys and cracks, I just hope 
developers keep their legal customers foremost.

Michael Feir
Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine
1996-2004
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> This is the kind of attitude which clearly shows a 2-faced mentality. On
> one hand you say you don't pirate software, then on the other hand, you
> say you pirate music. What's the difference?
>
> Amazing hypocrisy.
>
> shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:29 AM:
>> well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going 
>> alegal software wise.
>> I still do music though.
>> Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s.
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Willem
I don't agree.  With music and software, if you copy it, you steal money 
from the person who put in a lot of effort, time and money  to produce it.
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> yeah, music and audio is one thing software is another.
> At 04:20 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>>Hi Damien,
>>Exactly. That was one of the points I was trying to get at. I am willing
>>to bet most of us have copied a music cd, recorded a music tape, etc and
>>gave it to a friend not thinking much about it. Well, I  use to feel
>>that way about cracking software.I was very idealistic, and sort of
>>believed we should just share everything and not pay for it. Which
>>happens to be a grand but unrealistic outlook on life.
>>
>>
>>Damien Sadler wrote:
>>> Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same 
>>> before
>>> I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard 
>>> it is
>>> to do something.
>>> I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software 
>>> or
>>> copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only 
>>> like
>>> recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's,
>>> cracking software's the new way.
>>> But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked 
>>> software
>>> on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal 
>>> licences
>>> for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various 
>>> software
>>> libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Damien
>>>
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] running games on a stick?

2008-02-05 Thread Willem
For games like showdown, crazy tennis and kitchensinc you can copy the 
program files onto the stick and play it, but not all games work like that. 
Some require registry keys or look for dll's.
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> Hi all,
> I'm not exactly sure, as this is a bit new to me, but I just bought a u3
> stick. According to my friend, with a u3 stick, you can install things on 
> it
> like a hard drive, and then plug it into any pc and run any program off it
> without disturbing the configuration of the pc on which you're running 
> these
> from, because it's just between your pc and drive. At the uni where I am,
> there are no accessible games installed for totally blind people, so when 
> we
> have finished our work, the sighted people can play solitaire, but nothing
> for us. If this is what a u3 stick does, how do I install games onto it, 
> I'd
> like Sound RTS, Showdown, and some of the SpoonBill Card games. We can't
> install any games directly onto the pc itself, it's not an administrator
> thing, but it has a program that, whenever the pc restarts, software gets
> deleted.
> Ari
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Willem
Yes. My home pc's harddrive broke, after I had to repare windows 3 times in 
6 months, so I'm waiting a few days to see if the system is stable before 
requesting keys.  Bottom line, I hate the feeling requesting a key after I 
already asked for 2 keys before that, so I end up not playing a game.  Sarah 
and the gma games are examples.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:35 PM
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> Well I don't crack, but I do have a prob with some Activation of software.
> I do a lot of Beta testing and as such I reformat my computer almost ever
> month as well if not more.  So I know Dev's get tired of seing a new key 
> and
> have to send another one, and probley thinking I'm cracking or something.
> So I've kind of just gave up on the games I've bought that required
> activation at the moment.  I got 4 games that need activation and right 
> now
> they sitting on a server till I feel that I can keep a system from being
> formatted all the t ime from beta testing.  Matter of Fact, I just got a 
> new
> laptop that I don't put beta software on, and Might throw them on there 
> and
> activate them there.  Also if you format your computer a lot, might want 
> to
> consider on a Back-up Imaging system, that's what I'm using now to restore
> without having to lose safed info and stuff.
>
> Kuvvosh
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of shaun everiss
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:39 AM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
> Why do you need to format once a month.
> You don't have to do that unless something is failing.
> Something is failing and the thing needs to be replaced.
> or it could be security if you do that sort of securing in a large org.
> You don't need to reformat once a month.
> I recomend you image the drive with ghost or something that in theory 
> should
> allow you to keep your id.
> At 07:22 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>>Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
>>game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
>>it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
>>and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
>>super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
>>really bought the game.
>>
>>On 2/5/08, Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I think he just forgot the don't.
>>> If everyone cared and nobody cried
>>> If everyone loved and nobody lied
>>> If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
>>> Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
>>> Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>>
>>>
>>> > You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
>>> > understand why people just
>>> > fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was 
>>> > something
>>> > like
>>> > beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
>>> >
>>> > Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself.
> Regardless
>>> > of
>>> > the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---
>>> > If you don't stand behind our troops,
>>> > please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: "Tj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Liam,
>>> >>
>>> >> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why people
> just
>>> >> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was
> something
>>> >> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
>>> >
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread James Scholes
Well said, Thomas!

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> Hi Liam and all,
> I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some
> explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you
> need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate.
> A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily
> be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go
> clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude
> like, "why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for free?"
> On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a
> Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd,
> software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and
> criminal behavior.
> On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard
> to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not
> wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I
> can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed
> my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright
> from the store someone lost money from my piracy.
> Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply
> did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a
> group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was
> candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we
> would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever
> got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for
> download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we did.
> Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine
> not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while
> that weather I copied software or stole  it directly from Best Buy,
> Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long
> time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also
> had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was
> wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a
> conscience?
> Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human
> heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I
> didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't
> use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want
> to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to
> steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my
> conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, "copying software
> isn't like armed robbery."
> In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience.
> Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that
> piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves
> accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for
> material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love,
> friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are
> truly worth while, and can bring true joy.
> Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games
> has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling
> your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied
> pinheads with no conscience. I sincerely doubt they even know themselves
> why they are driven to steel, pirate, and copy. I sure didn't back in my
> bad old cracking days.
> Hope this helps.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread James Scholes
Indeed it does.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:54 AM
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> I think it restricts the bonus round.
> Regards,
> Damien
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list" 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
>
>> and why do we need to reg it anyway I can play the entire thing as it is.
>> At 12:20 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>>>Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're
>>>not supporting
>>>it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I
>>>can't vuy it. I
>>>can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have
>>>the setup file for it.
>>>So, what is there to do.
>>>
>>>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote:
>>>
>>>
It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around
cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products.
This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is
bad.  Ya.  It's bad.  We all know that.  My big question is.  why do
people feel th eneed to do it?  I mean.  is there a problem with the
demo?  Is it too short?  Or are some people just big jerks.  I'm not
going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of
not only asking for, but supplying this information.  I don't want this
to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause
thomas raul and kevin headakes.  I just want to know why people feel the
need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince
people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time
writing.
for those who don't know me.  It's pretty much just me who program
everything.  You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the
hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual
impairments.  I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it
disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard
work for free.  If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you
can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  If you've pirated a game and want to
admit it, I won't hold anything against you.  all I want you to do is to
tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be
held.

thanks:
Liam


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Re: [Audyssey] Anyone willing to make a recording for me?

2008-02-05 Thread James Scholes
Hi, got it, thanks.

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> I already have a recording of myself playing the entire Super Liam game.
> Check out www.liamerven.com/games for the back up files as I still have
> not gotten off my lazy posterior to put up my games.asmodean.net site
> back up.
>
> James Scholes said the following on 2/4/2008 3:46 PM:
>> Hi all, I know this is a lot to ask, but would anyone be willing to 
>> record them self playing act 2 of the lava lake in Super Liam? Please?
>> James Scholes
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Re: [Audyssey] self distruct

2008-02-05 Thread James Scholes
Just run c:\program files\keygen.exe

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> I'm getting the same thing and I'm running xp pro here at home.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Stefen Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] self distruct
>
>
>> You can get a registration code by running the keygen program that comes
>> with the game. As Thomas said in another post, the program is in
>> c:\Program
>> Files assuming you installed the game there. It isn't in the 
>> Self-Destruct
>> game folder itself. I don't think it likes Vista though. When trying to
>> get
>> a game ID it says it doesn't exist, and when trying to uninstal it says
>> the
>> uninstal.dat log isn't recognized. I'm guessing I have to manually
>> uninstall
>> the game, but I don't know if it has any registry keys created.
>>
>> --
>> From: "josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:45 PM
>> To: "gamers discussion list" 
>> Subject: [Audyssey] self distruct
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Is there any way to register self distruct?
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread oriol gómez
ok guys, I didn't write why i have a jd crack so you guys could pick
on me, i only wrote that because liam asked us why we are doing it. m

On 2/5/08, James Scholes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Indeed it does.
>
> --
> From: "Damien Sadler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:54 AM
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
> > I think it restricts the bonus round.
> > Regards,
> > Damien
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list"
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
> >
> >
> >> and why do we need to reg it anyway I can play the entire thing as it is.
> >> At 12:20 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
> >>>Speaking of cracks, what the blowing heck did Super Shot go. Since you're
> >>>not supporting
> >>>it anymore Liam, is there any way that it can be registered? I mean, I
> >>>can't vuy it. I
> >>>can't register it. And there's not even a way to download it, but I have
> >>>the setup file for it.
> >>>So, what is there to do.
> >>>
> >>>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:22:54 -0600, Liam Erven wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> It's come to my attention that people have felt the need to pass around
> cracked versions of judgment day and other LWorks products.
> This email is a departure from the standard emails about how piracy is
> bad.  Ya.  It's bad.  We all know that.  My big question is.  why do
> people feel th eneed to do it?  I mean.  is there a problem with the
> demo?  Is it too short?  Or are some people just big jerks.  I'm not
> going to name any names, but there are people on list who are guilty of
> not only asking for, but supplying this information.  I don't want this
> to blow up in to a big topic on list that will stray off topic and cause
> thomas raul and kevin headakes.  I just want to know why people feel the
> need to do it and if there's anything I can do in future to convince
> people not to pirate my software that I spent my own personal time
> writing.
> for those who don't know me.  It's pretty much just me who program
> everything.  You can ask people who know me, and they'll tell you the
> hours and the headakes I endure to make software for people with visual
> impairments.  I'm not going to give any sob stories, but I just find it
> disrespectful when someone wants to intensionally pass around my hard
> work for free.  If you'd like to comment on this to me personally, you
> can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  If you've pirated a game and want to
> admit it, I won't hold anything against you.  all I want you to do is to
> tell me why you felt th eneed to do it, and no hard feelings will be
> held.
> 
> thanks:
> Liam
> 
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Re: [Audyssey] running games on a stick?

2008-02-05 Thread ari
So then, what do you think the best way is? Would it work, if I ran a setup 
file, you know the part where you choose the letter to install to, the drive 
lettre, if my stick's lettre is G, can I change the directory to G:\? Or is 
it better to just copy the Showdown folder from my program files to a 
directory on the stick?
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Tj
James is correct.  But it's a bit deeper than that.  My thing is, that's 
wrong on the producer's end too.  To put 3 minutes into coding something to 
sell for like 30 dollars.  If we can do that, why don't I write out the 
score of the superbowl and sell it for 20 bucks.
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>I think he was refering to the fact that selling the game Beep for any
> price, no matter how low, with be a completely stupid move, as all you do 
> is
> hit the space bar for 5 minutes, then its over! Just my thoughts.
>
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>> You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
>> understand why people just
>> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
>> like
>> beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
>>
>> Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless
>> of
>> the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
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>>> Hi Liam,
>>>
>>> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why people 
>>> just
>>> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
>>> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
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Re: [Audyssey] running games on a stick?

2008-02-05 Thread Darren Harris
But the access speed is slower. Why would you want to do that?

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So then, what do you think the best way is? Would it work, if I ran a setup 
file, you know the part where you choose the letter to install to, the drive

lettre, if my stick's lettre is G, can I change the directory to G:\? Or is 
it better to just copy the Showdown folder from my program files to a 
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread ari
Given what Thomas says, to me the piracy question is relative, in some cases 
and for some products, I have seen cases where I would justify piracy, but, 
in this case, I think it's awful. We must remember that Liam is not some 
multi-million-dollar company, and I also don't think he's charging huge 
price for his game. I mean, take the other fact that he also bothers giving 
us support and helping out as well, it's really not nice that keys for his 
games are being circulated. I do agree though that I hate the whole thing 
with a game where you format the computer, but are people responsible enough 
that if you don't put security measures on they won't pirate?
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Re: [Audyssey] I just love sound puzzle! Anyone else?

2008-02-05 Thread nicol
Is it a free game?

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Subject: [Audyssey] I just love sound puzzle! Anyone else?

Sound puzzle rocks something serious. Those sounds you hear when you move
your arrow keys around and you try to put all the sounds in the right
places, they sound s cool. It's oddly relaxing to give that game a go,
like during lunch at school, pull out the laptop and have a game of sound
puzzle. I've beaten it like 5 times by now, I think my highest score was
18000 something. *pats self on the back proudly*
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Re: [Audyssey] Uninstaling Self-Destruct

2008-02-05 Thread nicol
HI steeve
Please don't uninstall the game without really giving it a  try. I'm farely
good with self destruct. Its just level10 that's a bit hard for me but I
even managed to beat level10 in some way. Please tell me where in the game
you get stuck, I want to help you.
I think self destruct is a great game.
If you tell me where you get stuck, I can help you out and maybe  you will
then enjoy the game.
Please give it another try.
If you really don't want to play it further, I will then tell you if its
safe to uninstall the game like you said, but just give me a chance to help
you out.
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So...I tried out Self-destruct and now want to uninstall it. The problem is
it tells me that the format of the uninstal log isn't recognized by that
version of the uninstaler. Is it safe to just delete the menu shortcuts and
program folder manually, or are there also registry keys I'll have to
manually delete as well?
Thanks.
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread ari
Who knows, you might get some poor guy who'll pay you for that, grin!
Ari

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Re: [Audyssey] Registering Self Destruct.

2008-02-05 Thread nicol
Self destruct is abandon ware.
In the days when xl studios sold self destruct, when it was still a retale
game, they supposedly e-mailed each customer the keygen program after
receiving the customer's payment. And when the game got abandoned the keygen
program was supposedly  included in the setup program.

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Sorry to sound stupid, but is Self Destruct a free game? If so, then why the
keygen? If not, then I obveously understand why the keygen is included.

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> well the installer installs it wrongly in the root of program files folder
> so you need to manually go to program files folder in c and run keygen
> manually.
> you then can get it to work.
> At 11:48 a.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>The keyjen doesn't work, how can I register this game? I downloaded it off
>>of Tom's site.
>>Ryan
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Re: [Audyssey] Money Orders was piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread nicol
Take a company like b s c games.
They use w s r e g to process money orders, so for  Justin it isn't that
extra trouble to get a driver to take him to cash the money order.
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Hi Constantine,

Quote
1. In future, can devs please make money order possible (or does this cost)?
End quote


Well, it is more a major inconvenience to the developer than anything
else, but yes using money orders does cost more in the long run. Using
Paypal.com to process electronic checks, direct deposits, and credit
card transactions is a whole lot cheaper and easier than handling a
money order. Let's compare these two methods below.

1. Game developer x accepts money orders. He/she has to wait a week or
more to recieve your payment by snale mail. After it arrives the
developer must get a cab, bus,  friend, or family member to drive
him/her to a place to cash the money order. After cashing it he or she
must get a ride to his/her bank to deposit your payment. Come home and
send out your sales recete and product key.

2. Game developer x uses Paypal.com for recieving your money. Customer
decides to pay using electronic check, direct deposit, or instant credit
card checkout. The next time game developer x checks his/her email the
developer will see a payment notice from Paypal.com from customer x.
Developer x processes the order using the information in the email,
sends the customer his/her sales recete, and is done.

Given the two methods above which would you honestly pick? If you said
Paypal.com you are talking some sense.
With the money order method there is all kinds of costs you haven't
thought about such as paying a driver to take the blind developer to
cash that money order. You probably haven't thought about the turn
around for each and every order done via money order. Rather than
processing transactions in a few hours the time required for each
transaction now becomes days. That is bad for the customer and the
developer both.


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Re: [Audyssey] self distruct uninstall problem

2008-02-05 Thread nicol
No no no no!
Where in self destruct are you getting stuck? Please don't give up too soon!
I can help you /!!!
I'm farely good with self destruct.

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Hi,

I'm trying to uninstall or remove self distruct from my computer and I'm
getting the following error.

Error
The uninstall log file "C:\Program Files\XLStudios, SI\Self
Destruct\unins000.dat" is in a format not recognized by this
version of the uninstaller. Cannot uninstall.
OK

How can I remove self distruct?

Josh



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[Audyssey] Games on the Braille Desk?

2008-02-05 Thread ari
Hi all,
Sorry, am asking again, in case noone read my last post about this. My 
friend still has an Arctic Braille Desk, and we want to know if it's 
possible, using it's Standcom utility, to put games onto it, as we have 
heard it's possible, but the mannual is quite vague about whether you can 
run things after transferring them with standcom, and we're a bit nervy to 
try.
Thanks
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Re: [Audyssey] running games on a stick?

2008-02-05 Thread ari
so that I can carry it around and play it on other people's computers 
without having to install it and causing them hassles. I've already put nvda 
on, but that was a specially designed portable ap, but, as I've heard, you 
can also do it with games, so it's cool. Also, what you need, is if someone 
could make nvda read the frotz, tads and Alan, you could of course play text 
adventures as well.
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[Audyssey] What is your Gameing Rig Specs?

2008-02-05 Thread Kuvvosh
Thought I would throw a topic out there.

 

What is Your Gameing Rig specs.

 

Mine

 

Main Gameing Rig.

 

Intel 2 Duo 1.86 Ghz Overclocked to 2.98 Ghz with 4 meg Cach 1066 Bus

EVGA NVida 8series Mobo 

3 74 Gig Raptor 10k drive in a Raid 5 Total 148 gigs

3 Terabytes Yes Tera Bytes of Network attached storage.

4 Gigs of DDR 2 1066  OCC Ram

2 Sound Blaster Gamer Sound cards

1200 watt  Tagan Power supply

2 Dual Layer DVD burners

Windows Vista Ultra

All cooled with a Water cooling kit.

 

And what make this system so hot, is that there is no monitor, no mouse just
the box, keyboard and speakers.  My brother Hates me for having this system
and he with a cheesy clunker.

 

Any how, this is not supposed to be a flaming bragging right topic.  Just
wondering what people have out there.

 

I could have listed my other 5 other rigs I have here in this room.  Which
are kind of old ones now since this one has been built only a few months by
me.

 

 

Kuvvosh

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[Audyssey] sounds totally unnecessary - Re: piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Charles Rivard
Why on earth would you reformat your hard drive so often?

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> Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
> game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
> it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
> and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
> super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
> really bought the game.


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Re: [Audyssey] sounds totally unnecessary

2008-02-05 Thread Demetry
Hi,

I know this problem. On last December I
bought a new hard drive disc an before two days ago this disc was 
crashed unfortunately. Since yesterday I have a new (second) disc. I 
really dislike the hardware IDs of the games too. Because now, I need to 
recontact the L-Works and other companies where I can get a new product 
key for the game...
But, I understanding the game developer, because they want to be sure 
who use the registered game. Software Piracy is not a cavalier offence...
BTW: I would like to know, how will create such as an hardware ID?

Demetry


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[Audyssey] harry potter question set for freedom millionaire?

2008-02-05 Thread nicol
Can someone please  create a question set of harry potter for the freedom
millionaire game?
I've played all the other question sets, and I beat them all. All the
challenge is gone, I  almost never loose a game.  Almost each time I win the
game on each question set. I'm looking for a new challenge and it would rock
if someone could have the time to create a harry potter question set.


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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Trouble
Sense you do that a little tool might help you a lot in time and 
effort. a removable drive bay. You can put your main drive in it and 
put what ever you want on it. When you want to test. Just pull it out 
and put in another drive with the op and off testing. that way your 
drive with personal stuff stays good and your test drive crash as 
much as needed without you losing a thing.

At 08:35 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote:
>Well I don't crack, but I do have a prob with some Activation of software.
>I do a lot of Beta testing and as such I reformat my computer almost ever
>month as well if not more.  So I know Dev's get tired of seing a new key and
>have to send another one, and probley thinking I'm cracking or something.
>So I've kind of just gave up on the games I've bought that required
>activation at the moment.  I got 4 games that need activation and right now
>they sitting on a server till I feel that I can keep a system from being
>formatted all the t ime from beta testing.  Matter of Fact, I just got a new
>laptop that I don't put beta software on, and Might throw them on there and
>activate them there.  Also if you format your computer a lot, might want to
>consider on a Back-up Imaging system, that's what I'm using now to restore
>without having to lose safed info and stuff.
>
>Kuvvosh
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of shaun everiss
>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:39 AM
>To: Gamers Discussion list
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
>Why do you need to format once a month.
>You don't have to do that unless something is failing.
>Something is failing and the thing needs to be replaced.
>or it could be security if you do that sort of securing in a large org.
>You don't need to reformat once a month.
>I recomend you image the drive with ghost or something that in theory should
>allow you to keep your id.
>At 07:22 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
> >Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
> >game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
> >it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
> >and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
> >super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
> >really bought the game.
> >
> >On 2/5/08, Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I think he just forgot the don't.
> >> If everyone cared and nobody cried
> >> If everyone loved and nobody lied
> >> If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
> >> Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
> >> Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> >> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
> >>
> >>
> >> > You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
> >> > understand why people just
> >> > fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
> >> > like
> >> > beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
> >> >
> >> > Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself.
>Regardless
> >> > of
> >> > the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---
> >> > If you don't stand behind our troops,
> >> > please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message -
> >> > From: "Tj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> >> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Liam,
> >> >>
> >> >> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why people
>just
> >> >> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was
>something
> >> >> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread blindguy250
Well said, except James Scholes created a list for everything piracy. So, yeah. 
Well said Thom. , if you need more info about this list I could supply it. 
Email me offlist 
though.

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:38:30 -, James Scholes wrote:


>Well said, Thomas!
>
>--
>From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM
>To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
>>Hi Liam and all,
>>I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some
>>explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you
>>need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate.
>>A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily
>>be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go
>>clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude
>>like, "why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for 
>>free?"
>>On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a
>>Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd,
>>software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and
>>criminal behavior.
>>On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard
>>to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not
>>wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I
>>can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed
>>my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright
>>from the store someone lost money from my piracy.
>>Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply
>>did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a
>>group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was
>>candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we
>>would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever
>>got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for
>>download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we 
>>did.
>>Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine
>>not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while
>>that weather I copied software or stole  it directly from Best Buy,
>>Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long
>>time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also
>>had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was
>>wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a
>>conscience?
>>Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human
>>heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I
>>didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't
>>use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want
>>to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to
>>steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my
>>conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, "copying software
>>isn't like armed robbery."
>>In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience.
>>Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that
>>piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves
>>accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for
>>material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love,
>>friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are
>>truly worth while, and can bring true joy.
>>Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games
>>has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling
>>your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied
>>pinheads with no conscience. I sincerely doubt they even know themselves
>>why they are driven to steel, pirate, and copy. I sure didn't back in my
>>bad old cracking days.
>>Hope this helps.
>>
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] sounds totally unnecessary

2008-02-05 Thread Darren Harris
I must admit that is a pain when you change systems. I'm in the middle of
changing everything. Some of my games am just going to drop because I just
can't be bothered

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Hi,

I know this problem. On last December I
bought a new hard drive disc an before two days ago this disc was 
crashed unfortunately. Since yesterday I have a new (second) disc. I 
really dislike the hardware IDs of the games too. Because now, I need to 
recontact the L-Works and other companies where I can get a new product 
key for the game...
But, I understanding the game developer, because they want to be sure 
who use the registered game. Software Piracy is not a cavalier offence...
BTW: I would like to know, how will create such as an hardware ID?

Demetry


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[Audyssey] hay I like the shoot da me game!

2008-02-05 Thread nicol
Congrats ryan, cool game!
I need some more practice with the boss, it's a nice challenge.
When  trying to post my score, the voice says: there is an error posting
your score, check  your internet connection.
But my internet connection is fine, I am receiving e-mail all the time. What
might be the problem there?
I'm looking forward to the side scroller.


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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Trouble
If you would of did the score before the game played it probably 
would of sold to a few hard luck betters.

At 11:52 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote:
>James is correct.  But it's a bit deeper than that.  My thing is, that's
>wrong on the producer's end too.  To put 3 minutes into coding something to
>sell for like 30 dollars.  If we can do that, why don't I write out the
>score of the superbowl and sell it for 20 bucks.
>- Original Message -
>From: "James Scholes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:36 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
>
> >I think he was refering to the fact that selling the game Beep for any
> > price, no matter how low, with be a completely stupid move, as all you do
> > is
> > hit the space bar for 5 minutes, then its over! Just my thoughts.
> >
> > --
> > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:48 AM
> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
> >
> >> You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
> >> understand why people just
> >> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
> >> like
> >> beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
> >>
> >> Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless
> >> of
> >> the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> If you don't stand behind our troops,
> >> please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Tj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> >> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Liam,
> >>>
> >>> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why people
> >>> just
> >>> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
> >>> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Audyssey] hay I like the shoot da me game!

2008-02-05 Thread James Scholes
What is this game? sounds fun.

--
From: "nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:21 PM
To: "gamers" 
Subject: [Audyssey] hay I like the shoot da me game!

> Congrats ryan, cool game!
> I need some more practice with the boss, it's a nice challenge.
> When  trying to post my score, the voice says: there is an error posting
> your score, check  your internet connection.
> But my internet connection is fine, I am receiving e-mail all the time. 
> What
> might be the problem there?
> I'm looking forward to the side scroller.
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Liam Erven
james.  let me make a suggestion.  if people discuss this, you might want to 
be more proactive in takign care of this.  it will give you a bad name, and 
I don't want to see anyone get a bad name especially if they didn't do it on 
purpose.

- Original Message - 
From: "James Scholes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day


> Come on now, that's just unfare, I created a list for software downloads
> because a lot of people asked me too, and as is stated in the guidelines 
> of
> my list, if people share pirated software, that's their own doing, not 
> mine!
> I do not agree with software piracy, especially game pirating. I love 
> audio
> games, so why would I use pirated copies of them?
>
> --
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:47 PM
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
>> Well said, except James Scholes created a list for everything piracy. So,
>> yeah.
>> Well said Thom. , if you need more info about this list I could supply 
>> it.
>> Email me offlist
>> though.
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:38:30 -, James Scholes wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well said, Thomas!
>>>
>>>--
>>>From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM
>>>To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>>
Hi Liam and all,
I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some
explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you
need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate.
A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily
be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go
clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude
like, "why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for
free?"
On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a
Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd,
software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and
criminal behavior.
On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard
to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not
wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I
can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed
my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright
from the store someone lost money from my piracy.
Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply
did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a
group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was
candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we
would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever
got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for
download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we
did.
Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine
not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while
that weather I copied software or stole  it directly from Best Buy,
Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long
time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also
had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was
wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a
conscience?
Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human
heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I
didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't
use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want
to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to
steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my
conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, "copying software
isn't like armed robbery."
In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience.
Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that
piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves
accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for
material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love,
friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are
truly worth while, and can bring true joy.
Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games
has nothing to do with what you d

[Audyssey] MojoPac service was Re: running games on a stick?

2008-02-05 Thread Yohandy
Hey guys,
For those wishing to carry your games with you on USB flashdrives, check out 
the following site.
www.mojopac.com
It allows you to virtualized software and run it on any USB enabled device. 
Not only games, but your entire computing environment. I haven't tried this 
myself but it sounds amazing. it is also free. good luck!


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> so that I can carry it around and play it on other people's computers
> without having to install it and causing them hassles. I've already put 
> nvda
> on, but that was a specially designed portable ap, but, as I've heard, you
> can also do it with games, so it's cool. Also, what you need, is if 
> someone
> could make nvda read the frotz, tads and Alan, you could of course play 
> text
> adventures as well.
> Ari


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Re: [Audyssey] hay I like the shoot da me game!

2008-02-05 Thread nicol
Its rs games' first production.
The creator is ryan smith.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] hay I like the shoot da me game!

What is this game? sounds fun.

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> Congrats ryan, cool game!
> I need some more practice with the boss, it's a nice challenge.
> When  trying to post my score, the voice says: there is an error posting
> your score, check  your internet connection.
> But my internet connection is fine, I am receiving e-mail all the time.
> What
> might be the problem there?
> I'm looking forward to the side scroller.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Liam Erven
shrugs.  I didn't want to bring that up onlist, bu tthat's sort of where I 
found out about it.  indirectly from about 3 people who were less than 
pleased that this was going on.

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> Well said, except James Scholes created a list for everything piracy. So, 
> yeah.
> Well said Thom. , if you need more info about this list I could supply it. 
> Email me offlist
> though.
>
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:38:30 -, James Scholes wrote:
>
>
>>Well said, Thomas!
>>
>>--
>>From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM
>>To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>
>>>Hi Liam and all,
>>>I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some
>>>explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you
>>>need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate.
>>>A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily
>>>be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go
>>>clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude
>>>like, "why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for
>>>free?"
>>>On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a
>>>Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd,
>>>software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and
>>>criminal behavior.
>>>On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard
>>>to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not
>>>wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I
>>>can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed
>>>my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright
>>>from the store someone lost money from my piracy.
>>>Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply
>>>did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a
>>>group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was
>>>candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we
>>>would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever
>>>got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for
>>>download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we
>>>did.
>>>Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine
>>>not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while
>>>that weather I copied software or stole  it directly from Best Buy,
>>>Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long
>>>time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also
>>>had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was
>>>wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a
>>>conscience?
>>>Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human
>>>heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I
>>>didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't
>>>use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want
>>>to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to
>>>steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my
>>>conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, "copying software
>>>isn't like armed robbery."
>>>In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience.
>>>Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that
>>>piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves
>>>accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for
>>>material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love,
>>>friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are
>>>truly worth while, and can bring true joy.
>>>Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games
>>>has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling
>>>your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied
>>>pinheads with no conscience. I sincerely doubt they even know themselves
>>>why they are driven to steel, pirate, and copy. I sure didn't back in my
>>>bad old cracking days.
>>>Hope this helps.
>>>
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Re: [Audyssey] self distruct uninstall problem

2008-02-05 Thread josh
no that's not the point as this problem could affect other people who may 
want to remove the program for some reason. I haven't played it yet. I just 
tried out the uninstall feature and found this error.

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> No no no no!
> Where in self destruct are you getting stuck? Please don't give up too 
> soon!
> I can help you /!!!
> I'm farely good with self destruct.
>
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> Subject: [Audyssey] self distruct uninstall problem
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to uninstall or remove self distruct from my computer and I'm
> getting the following error.
>
> Error
> The uninstall log file "C:\Program Files\XLStudios, SI\Self
> Destruct\unins000.dat" is in a format not recognized by this
> version of the uninstaller. Cannot uninstall.
> OK
>
> How can I remove self distruct?
>
> Josh
>
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Re: [Audyssey] harry potter question set for freedom millionaire?

2008-02-05 Thread James Scholes
I believe it is legal to create your own question sets with copyrighted 
material in them like Harry potter, as long as you don't make money from it. 
What happened to the freedom games website, anyway?

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> Do you know how to create them?  Let me know, and I'll see what I, or
> someone else, can do.  Also, is it legal to create your own categories?
> Thanks.
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:39 AM
> Subject: [Audyssey] harry potter question set for freedom millionaire?
>
>
>> Can someone please  create a question set of harry potter for the freedom
>> millionaire game?
>> I've played all the other question sets, and I beat them all. All the
>> challenge is gone, I  almost never loose a game.  Almost each time I win
>> the
>> game on each question set. I'm looking for a new challenge and it would
>> rock
>> if someone could have the time to create a harry potter question set.
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] harry potter question set for freedom millionaire?

2008-02-05 Thread Charles Rivard
Do you know how to create them?  Let me know, and I'll see what I, or 
someone else, can do.  Also, is it legal to create your own categories? 
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Subject: [Audyssey] harry potter question set for freedom millionaire?


> Can someone please  create a question set of harry potter for the freedom
> millionaire game?
> I've played all the other question sets, and I beat them all. All the
> challenge is gone, I  almost never loose a game.  Almost each time I win 
> the
> game on each question set. I'm looking for a new challenge and it would 
> rock
> if someone could have the time to create a harry potter question set.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Charles Rivard
I can't think of any instance where stealing, oops, I mean, pirating, is 
justified.

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> Given what Thomas says, to me the piracy question is relative, in some 
> cases
> and for some products, I have seen cases where I would justify piracy, 
> but,
> in this case, I think it's awful. We must remember that Liam is not some
> multi-million-dollar company, and I also don't think he's charging huge
> price for his game. I mean, take the other fact that he also bothers 
> giving
> us support and helping out as well, it's really not nice that keys for his
> games are being circulated. I do agree though that I hate the whole thing
> with a game where you format the computer, but are people responsible 
> enough
> that if you don't put security measures on they won't pirate?
> Ari
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Re: [Audyssey] sounds totally unnecessary

2008-02-05 Thread Liam Erven
I know a lot of people have really had problems with hardware Ids.  I'm 
looking at the possibility of goign with a user name based key which yes.  I 
know opens up the possibility for sharing keys, but I think it'll make the 
end user happy and cut down on the amount of hey liam can you generate a new 
unlock code emails.

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> Hi,
>
> I know this problem. On last December I
> bought a new hard drive disc an before two days ago this disc was
> crashed unfortunately. Since yesterday I have a new (second) disc. I
> really dislike the hardware IDs of the games too. Because now, I need to
> recontact the L-Works and other companies where I can get a new product
> key for the game...
> But, I understanding the game developer, because they want to be sure
> who use the registered game. Software Piracy is not a cavalier offence...
> BTW: I would like to know, how will create such as an hardware ID?
>
> Demetry
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread James Scholes
Come on now, that's just unfare, I created a list for software downloads 
because a lot of people asked me too, and as is stated in the guidelines of 
my list, if people share pirated software, that's their own doing, not mine! 
I do not agree with software piracy, especially game pirating. I love audio 
games, so why would I use pirated copies of them?

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> Well said, except James Scholes created a list for everything piracy. So, 
> yeah.
> Well said Thom. , if you need more info about this list I could supply it. 
> Email me offlist
> though.
>
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:38:30 -, James Scholes wrote:
>
>
>>Well said, Thomas!
>>
>>--
>>From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM
>>To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>
>>>Hi Liam and all,
>>>I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some
>>>explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you
>>>need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate.
>>>A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily
>>>be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go
>>>clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude
>>>like, "why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for
>>>free?"
>>>On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a
>>>Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd,
>>>software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and
>>>criminal behavior.
>>>On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard
>>>to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not
>>>wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I
>>>can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed
>>>my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright
>>>from the store someone lost money from my piracy.
>>>Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply
>>>did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a
>>>group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was
>>>candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we
>>>would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever
>>>got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for
>>>download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we
>>>did.
>>>Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine
>>>not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while
>>>that weather I copied software or stole  it directly from Best Buy,
>>>Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long
>>>time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also
>>>had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was
>>>wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a
>>>conscience?
>>>Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human
>>>heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I
>>>didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't
>>>use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want
>>>to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to
>>>steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my
>>>conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, "copying software
>>>isn't like armed robbery."
>>>In my own personal experience the only cure for piracy is a conscience.
>>>Weather the person is a Christian or not they need to believe that
>>>piracy is wrong. They need to recognize there greed, and hold themselves
>>>accountable for that greed. They need to let go of their desires for
>>>material things, and look for non-material things in life such as love,
>>>friendship, happy memories, etc. To value the things in life that are
>>>truly worth while, and can bring true joy.
>>>Liam, I'd just like to say that the piracy and cracking of your games
>>>has nothing to do with what you did or did not do. The people steeling
>>>your games are simply selfish, greedy, unsympathetic, and unsatisfied
>>>pinheads with no conscience. I sincerely doubt they even know themselves
>>>why they are driven to steel, pirate, and copy. I sure didn't back in my
>>>bad old cracking days.
>>>Hope this helps.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Audyssey] hay I like the shoot da me game!

2008-02-05 Thread James Scholes
Cool, I'll check it out.

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> Its rs games' first production.
> The creator is ryan smith.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] hay I like the shoot da me game!
>
> What is this game? sounds fun.
>
> --
> From: "nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:21 PM
> To: "gamers" 
> Subject: [Audyssey] hay I like the shoot da me game!
>
>> Congrats ryan, cool game!
>> I need some more practice with the boss, it's a nice challenge.
>> When  trying to post my score, the voice says: there is an error posting
>> your score, check  your internet connection.
>> But my internet connection is fine, I am receiving e-mail all the time.
>> What
>> might be the problem there?
>> I'm looking forward to the side scroller.
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] harry potter question set for freedom millionaire?

2008-02-05 Thread Charles Rivard
I don't know what happened to the site, but hopefully, someone else does and 
can share the info?  Yes, that's a hint to list members, and thanks in 
advance for the information.  And, if the info is not shared on this list, I 
hope you can never beat your accessible games ever! ever! again!  (ornery 
threatening grin)

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>I believe it is legal to create your own question sets with copyrighted
> material in them like Harry potter, as long as you don't make money from 
> it.
> What happened to the freedom games website, anyway?
>
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> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> millionaire?
>
>> Do you know how to create them?  Let me know, and I'll see what I, or
>> someone else, can do.  Also, is it legal to create your own categories?
>> Thanks.
>>
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>> From: "nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "gamers" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:39 AM
>> Subject: [Audyssey] harry potter question set for freedom millionaire?
>>
>>
>>> Can someone please  create a question set of harry potter for the 
>>> freedom
>>> millionaire game?
>>> I've played all the other question sets, and I beat them all. All the
>>> challenge is gone, I  almost never loose a game.  Almost each time I win
>>> the
>>> game on each question set. I'm looking for a new challenge and it would
>>> rock
>>> if someone could have the time to create a harry potter question set.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Audyssey] running games on a stick?

2008-02-05 Thread Willem
copying the folder would work.
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> So then, what do you think the best way is? Would it work, if I ran a 
> setup
> file, you know the part where you choose the letter to install to, the 
> drive
> lettre, if my stick's lettre is G, can I change the directory to G:\? Or 
> is
> it better to just copy the Showdown folder from my program files to a
> directory on the stick?
> Ari
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Willem
Well said.
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> It's been a while but I believe I'll step into the dirt this time around.
> I'm certainly guilty of mp3 piracy in the past. I used to hate buying an
> album and then discovering that out of thirteen or sixteen songs, there 
> was
> maybe four or five that I actually enjoyed if I was very lucky. I used to
> deeply resent that. I found it all too easy to rationalise grabbing a song
> here or there that I actually wanted. With software, there's too much of a
> stretch for me to ever make that kind of compromise with morality. If I
> enjoy using a program, I'll either enjoy it enough to buy it or simply do
> without it. It's that cut and dried. You're purchasing one thing that
> presumeably does what you want or need it to do. There's no slippery slope
> there. It's just a moral cliff to either jump off or not. Personally, I 
> much
> prefer the higher ground. If, for some reason, I need technical support or 
> a
> replacement key, I know I'm entitled to good customer care.
>
> On the music front, I've finally had the good luck to have found:
>
> www.mp3fiesta.com
>
> It sells mp3s very cheaply so that buying an album is something like two
> dollars US and individual tracks are around ten cents. Downloading the 
> mp3s
> is as easy as downloading a regular file and I don't have to worry about
> them only working on one machine or anything like that. It's about as
> reasonable as humanly possible and I know I'm supporting the artists.
>
> Any way you slice it, piracy is wrong. I'm not certain there's all that 
> much
> to understand about why people do it. On the face of it, piracy doesn't 
> seem
> wrong because no physical goods are being taken. I think we're all still
> catching up to the new digital world we live in. We have a hard time 
> seeing
> the physical consequences of the act and that has allowed piracy to become
> as pervasive as it has particularly with music. In the accessible games
> industry, we'll feel the effects of piracy far more keenly as developers
> either go out of business or make their security more restrictive to the
> point where it starts to deny legitimate customers the ownership rights 
> they
> ought to have. That process has already started with these activation keys
> which tie a game to a certain machine. I just had to get another code for
> Pipe2 so I could have it on my new desktop. If and when I'm able to get 
> the
> funds to upgrade Jaws and go to a Vista machine, I'll have to do that all
> over again. If people keep passing around keys and cracks, I just hope
> developers keep their legal customers foremost.
>
> Michael Feir
> Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine
> 1996-2004
> Check out my blog at:
> www.blindspots.net
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
>
>> This is the kind of attitude which clearly shows a 2-faced mentality. On
>> one hand you say you don't pirate software, then on the other hand, you
>> say you pirate music. What's the difference?
>>
>> Amazing hypocrisy.
>>
>> shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:29 AM:
>>> well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going
>>> alegal software wise.
>>> I still do music though.
>>> Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s.
>> -- 
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Re: [Audyssey] harry potter question set for freedom millionaire?

2008-02-05 Thread Bryan Mckinnish
Hi. I'd like to know how to create question sets myself.
I think that would be cool.
I wonder if there could be a program to do this.


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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Darren Harris
Here's my take on the subject.

If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that.
Whether it be downloading mp3's or games or what ever. Games and software I
don't pirate in case I need the technical support. But for stull like jaws
cracks and the like I can definitely see why they are around. But then again
if a company wants to charge stupid prices for a product then they deserve
everything they get. Just because it's a small market doesn't give fs or gw
micro the right to scoop the market for all the cash they can. 

Like I say I don't pirate software because I want the technical support that
goes with it. Also because sometimes cracked versions of software can leed
to all sorts of strange and wonderful problems. Am lucky enough to have a
credit card so I can buy what I want and pay it back in the manor of time
that sutes me. Not only that, with cracks, there's not always the guarantee
that you will be able to upgrade to the latest version. So if a person is
sensable, certain things you don't get cracked versions of. But you can't
define a difference. You are either a pirate or you aren't. if you're going
to shoot someone down for pirating a game then you have to do the same thing
for anybody who pirates music or shares it. There is no difference.


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Re: [Audyssey] self distruct uninstall problem

2008-02-05 Thread Stefen Hudson
Wow, that worked. Not sure why though, but it did. Thanks.

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> Hi.
> Run the setup file again and then when it finnishes uninstall it. I had 
> the
> same problem once.
> Hth.
> Bryan Mckinnish
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:50 AM
> Subject: [Audyssey] self distruct uninstall problem
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm trying to uninstall or remove self distruct from my computer and I'm
>> getting the following error.
>>
>> Error
>> The uninstall log file "C:\Program Files\XLStudios, SI\Self
>> Destruct\unins000.dat" is in a format not recognized by this
>> version of the uninstaller. Cannot uninstall.
>> OK
>>
>> How can I remove self distruct?
>>
>> Josh
>>
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] Uninstaling Self-Destruct

2008-02-05 Thread Stefen Hudson
The game itself is pretty neat. However, the voice is way too quiet, and it 
didn't let me create a game ID for some reason, so the keygen won't work. I 
suppose I could edit the volume of the sounds since they're just normal .wav 
files though.

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> HI steeve
> Please don't uninstall the game without really giving it a  try. I'm 
> farely
> good with self destruct. Its just level10 that's a bit hard for me but I
> even managed to beat level10 in some way. Please tell me where in the game
> you get stuck, I want to help you.
> I think self destruct is a great game.
> If you tell me where you get stuck, I can help you out and maybe  you will
> then enjoy the game.
> Please give it another try.
> If you really don't want to play it further, I will then tell you if its
> safe to uninstall the game like you said, but just give me a chance to 
> help
> you out.
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [Audyssey] Uninstaling Self-Destruct
>
> So...I tried out Self-destruct and now want to uninstall it. The problem 
> is
> it tells me that the format of the uninstal log isn't recognized by that
> version of the uninstaler. Is it safe to just delete the menu shortcuts 
> and
> program folder manually, or are there also registry keys I'll have to
> manually delete as well?
> Thanks.
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Re: [Audyssey] running games on a stick?

2008-02-05 Thread SoundMUD
For SoundRTS, just copy the "c:\program files\soundrts test" folder to
any USB stick and it might work when you run soundrts.exe . Nothing is
recorded in the Windows registry anyway.

2008/2/5, Willem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> copying the folder would work.
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>
>
> > So then, what do you think the best way is? Would it work, if I ran a
> > setup
> > file, you know the part where you choose the letter to install to, the
> > drive
> > lettre, if my stick's lettre is G, can I change the directory to G:\? Or
> > is
> > it better to just copy the Showdown folder from my program files to a
> > directory on the stick?
> > Ari
> >
> >
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Re: [Audyssey] hay I like the shoot da me game!

2008-02-05 Thread Ryan Smith
Hi,
It's not your fault, it's my fault, there is a bug, I am still figuring it
out, however I have been a little slow on it becuase, your score posts
anyway, even though it says it doesn't. This has happened many times yup
nicol is on the boards.

So I hope you enjoy it.

-Ryan Smith
Head of RSG
www.rsgames.co.nr
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Bryan
At least GW Micro lets you buy Window-Eyes on time. FS doesn't let you do 
that for JAWS. But tell me this. What if you need techncal support for that 
screen reader you pirated? As far as i'm concerned it's no different.
If everyone cared and nobody cried
If everyone loved and nobody lied
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day


> Here's my take on the subject.
>
> If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that.
> Whether it be downloading mp3's or games or what ever. Games and software 
> I
> don't pirate in case I need the technical support. But for stull like jaws
> cracks and the like I can definitely see why they are around. But then 
> again
> if a company wants to charge stupid prices for a product then they deserve
> everything they get. Just because it's a small market doesn't give fs or 
> gw
> micro the right to scoop the market for all the cash they can.
>
> Like I say I don't pirate software because I want the technical support 
> that
> goes with it. Also because sometimes cracked versions of software can leed
> to all sorts of strange and wonderful problems. Am lucky enough to have a
> credit card so I can buy what I want and pay it back in the manor of time
> that sutes me. Not only that, with cracks, there's not always the 
> guarantee
> that you will be able to upgrade to the latest version. So if a person is
> sensable, certain things you don't get cracked versions of. But you can't
> define a difference. You are either a pirate or you aren't. if you're 
> going
> to shoot someone down for pirating a game then you have to do the same 
> thing
> for anybody who pirates music or shares it. There is no difference.
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Charles Rivard
You can also say the same for pirates of JAWS, Window-Eyes, OpenBook, and 
other such software.  You cannot exclude based on the price.

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> Here's my take on the subject.
>
> If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that.
> Whether it be downloading mp3's or games or what ever. Games and software 
> I
> don't pirate in case I need the technical support. But for stull like jaws
> cracks and the like I can definitely see why they are around. But then 
> again
> if a company wants to charge stupid prices for a product then they deserve
> everything they get. Just because it's a small market doesn't give fs or 
> gw
> micro the right to scoop the market for all the cash they can.
>
> Like I say I don't pirate software because I want the technical support 
> that
> goes with it. Also because sometimes cracked versions of software can leed
> to all sorts of strange and wonderful problems. Am lucky enough to have a
> credit card so I can buy what I want and pay it back in the manor of time
> that sutes me. Not only that, with cracks, there's not always the 
> guarantee
> that you will be able to upgrade to the latest version. So if a person is
> sensable, certain things you don't get cracked versions of. But you can't
> define a difference. You are either a pirate or you aren't. if you're 
> going
> to shoot someone down for pirating a game then you have to do the same 
> thing
> for anybody who pirates music or shares it. There is no difference.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread Darren Harris
Like I said. I don't pirate software. Which I already stated. Equally a
pirate is a pirate whether you do music or software. 1 is just as bad as the
other.

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At least GW Micro lets you buy Window-Eyes on time. FS doesn't let you do 
that for JAWS. But tell me this. What if you need techncal support for that 
screen reader you pirated? As far as i'm concerned it's no different. If
everyone cared and nobody cried If everyone loved and nobody lied If
everyone shared and swallowed their pride Then we'd see the day when nobody
died. Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:56 PM
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> Here's my take on the subject.
>
> If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that. 
> Whether it be downloading mp3's or games or what ever. Games and 
> software I don't pirate in case I need the technical support. But for 
> stull like jaws cracks and the like I can definitely see why they are 
> around. But then again
> if a company wants to charge stupid prices for a product then they deserve
> everything they get. Just because it's a small market doesn't give fs or 
> gw
> micro the right to scoop the market for all the cash they can.
>
> Like I say I don't pirate software because I want the technical 
> support
> that
> goes with it. Also because sometimes cracked versions of software can leed
> to all sorts of strange and wonderful problems. Am lucky enough to have a
> credit card so I can buy what I want and pay it back in the manor of time
> that sutes me. Not only that, with cracks, there's not always the 
> guarantee
> that you will be able to upgrade to the latest version. So if a person is
> sensable, certain things you don't get cracked versions of. But you can't
> define a difference. You are either a pirate or you aren't. if you're 
> going
> to shoot someone down for pirating a game then you have to do the same 
> thing
> for anybody who pirates music or shares it. There is no difference.
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
Hmm.
I do testing here tom.
Only stable tests mind you, I try not to reformat my pc as long as I can.
Usually though 2 years is my limit.
I never came accross having to get codes.
One thing that can happen is if you use id blaster from www.javacoolsoftware.com
Don't, it mangles all the ids and your games well are history.
However I don't know if its just me or I am having a fake run of reg codes 
because I have a ghost of my system as the manufacturer had it so don't know if 
I keep my codes and don't need to ask for more ids falsly.
At 02:31 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote:
>Regardless of whether you format once per week or once per year, you 
>should not have cracked software. If it means asking for extra codes, 
>that is what you do. Some companies like BSC Games has a 4 limit per 
>year code replacement, but again, any typical person does not format 
>more than once every six months. If you do, it's usually because you are 
>running a test machine or doing something you are not supposed to in the 
>first place. Also, I've seen game keys with your name being passed 
>around. If you want to call that accusing, then so be it. So, I 
>recommend you fess up and stop, or you may find yourself getting 
>reported to people who just may be able to do something about it.
>
>oriol gómez said the following on 2/5/2008 1:22 AM:
>> Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
>> game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
>> it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
>> and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
>> super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
>> really bought the game.
>> 
>> On 2/5/08, Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I think he just forgot the don't.
>>> If everyone cared and nobody cried
>>> If everyone loved and nobody lied
>>> If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
>>> Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
>>> Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>>
>>>
 You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
 understand why people just
 fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
 like
 beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."

 Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless
 of
 the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.


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> Hi Liam,
>
> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why people just
> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.

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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
yeah I know, I think most  copy mp3s, though,  they are everyware.
Even copying a cd is pirating even if its for personal use.
I think though it will even itself out once the industry goes digital, its 
already happening.
Its just the industry wasn't ready at the time.
At 02:35 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote:
>This is the kind of attitude which clearly shows a 2-faced mentality. On 
>one hand you say you don't pirate software, then on the other hand, you 
>say you pirate music. What's the difference?
>
>Amazing hypocrisy.
>
>shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:29 AM:
>> well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going alegal 
>> software wise.
>> I still do music though.
>> Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s.
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Re: [Audyssey] I just love sound puzzle! Anyone else?

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
Never was able to figure out soundpuzzle.
At 02:41 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote:
>Sound puzzle rocks something serious. Those sounds you hear when you move your 
>arrow keys around and you try to put all the sounds in the right places, they 
>sound s cool. It's oddly relaxing to give that game a go, like during 
>lunch at school, pull out the laptop and have a game of sound puzzle. I've 
>beaten it like 5 times by now, I think my highest score was 18000 something. 
>*pats self on the back proudly*
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
Well if you do test a load and in particularly unstalbe software you really 
need a second system.
A working system shouldn't be subject to tests.
Which is why I only test games and stuff like websites now.
One day when I can get the desk space or something I'd like to test more buggy 
and unstable things, but I only have 1 system.
I think it would be good for all devs to get some sort of automated 
registration server loaded like gma has so that when you need a key you put 
your user code and your name, maybe a password in if you need one and you get a 
reg key.
Gma's one is on email but If you did it through a secure login for the emailed 
key and got it that way that would be ok to.
At 02:35 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote:
>Well I don't crack, but I do have a prob with some Activation of software.
>I do a lot of Beta testing and as such I reformat my computer almost ever
>month as well if not more.  So I know Dev's get tired of seing a new key and
>have to send another one, and probley thinking I'm cracking or something.
>So I've kind of just gave up on the games I've bought that required
>activation at the moment.  I got 4 games that need activation and right now
>they sitting on a server till I feel that I can keep a system from being
>formatted all the t ime from beta testing.  Matter of Fact, I just got a new
>laptop that I don't put beta software on, and Might throw them on there and
>activate them there.  Also if you format your computer a lot, might want to
>consider on a Back-up Imaging system, that's what I'm using now to restore
>without having to lose safed info and stuff.
>
>Kuvvosh
>
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>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:39 AM
>To: Gamers Discussion list
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
>Why do you need to format once a month.
>You don't have to do that unless something is failing.
>Something is failing and the thing needs to be replaced.
>or it could be security if you do that sort of securing in a large org.
>You don't need to reformat once a month.
>I recomend you image the drive with ghost or something that in theory should
>allow you to keep your id.
>At 07:22 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>>Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
>>game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
>>it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
>>and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
>>super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
>>really bought the game.
>>
>>On 2/5/08, Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I think he just forgot the don't.
>>> If everyone cared and nobody cried
>>> If everyone loved and nobody lied
>>> If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
>>> Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
>>> Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>>
>>>
>>> > You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
>>> > understand why people just
>>> > fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
>>> > like
>>> > beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
>>> >
>>> > Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself.
>Regardless
>>> > of
>>> > the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> > please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: "Tj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Liam,
>>> >>
>>> >> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why people
>just
>>> >> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was
>something
>>> >> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
>>> >
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Re: [Audyssey] Atari games

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
I never experienced that.
For a brief time when my old 386 was online I played the inform arcade games.
However I really don't have that no more and I havn't played or heard the 
actual game although I was fiddling with some nentendo roms with a emulator 
once.
It was ages ago though.
At 02:44 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote:
>I remember it, but never had it. I was able to borrow it from a friend 
>and it was fun. But yeah, Dig Dug and Jungle Hunt were two other good 
>ones. I especially liked the swimming levels of Jungle Hunt.
>
>darren harris said the following on 2/4/2008 3:50 PM:
>> I loved that game!! That was adictive!! Remember mouse trap? 
>> 
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>> Sent: 04 February 2008 20:51
>> To: Gamers Discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Atari games
>> 
>> 
>> I remember doing that with various games. One in particular was 
>> Kangaroo. When you went into that weird mode, you got to play a 
>> different level. Not sure if it was by design or just really weird, but 
>> there it was. Also, Dig Dug would present you with another level with 
>> all kinds of different and goofy colors.
>> 
>> Darren Harris said the following on 2/4/2008 2:53 PM:
>>> You had to switch it off and on in the right way and fiddle about with 
>>> the switch. It made the game do funny things.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] Atari games

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
what was the first version like, any different to the esp pinbal packman, or 
the pcs one?
At 02:45 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote:
>We're forgetting packman!! Now phils packman puts me very much in mind of
>the old atari packman. By the way the maze is organized. Still if I could
>get my hands on that old first version of packman I'd play that for ages!!
>
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>To: Gamers Discussion list
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Atari games
>
>
>I remember it, but never had it. I was able to borrow it from a friend 
>and it was fun. But yeah, Dig Dug and Jungle Hunt were two other good 
>ones. I especially liked the swimming levels of Jungle Hunt.
>
>darren harris said the following on 2/4/2008 3:50 PM:
>> I loved that game!! That was adictive!! Remember mouse trap?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
>> Sent: 04 February 2008 20:51
>> To: Gamers Discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Atari games
>> 
>> 
>> I remember doing that with various games. One in particular was
>> Kangaroo. When you went into that weird mode, you got to play a 
>> different level. Not sure if it was by design or just really weird, but 
>> there it was. Also, Dig Dug would present you with another level with 
>> all kinds of different and goofy colors.
>> 
>> Darren Harris said the following on 2/4/2008 2:53 PM:
>>> You had to switch it off and on in the right way and fiddle about 
>>> with
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Re: [Audyssey] self distruct uninstall problem

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
just go to the program files folder
delete keygen.exe
then delete the self destruct folder.
then go to the start menu and run type startm~1 and push enter.
navigate to the programs group
folder hit enter
find selfdestruct and delete if its not there go to start then run and type c:
select documents and settings then select all users then start menu
then programs.
and delete self destruct from there.
Next go start, run regedit.
then navigate to hkey_current_user
navigate to software then select self destruct or vba programming I think I 
think, maybe xlstudios, I have not needed to do it this way.
anyway just delete the xlstudios key  do the same with 
hkey_local_machine\software with the xlstudios keys as well.
close regedit.
I don't think the application folders use anything.
then just reboot.
Unfortunately this approach doesn't remove system files for the game so you 
will still have some dlls etc on the system.
What I do Is save all the errors and stuff up till a major one comes then just 
reformat.
Depending on how serious it is.
I have never needed to uninstall selfdestruct.
At 02:50 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm trying to uninstall or remove self distruct from my computer and I'm 
>getting the following error.
>
>Error
>The uninstall log file "C:\Program Files\XLStudios, SI\Self 
>Destruct\unins000.dat" is in a format not recognized by this
>version of the uninstaller. Cannot uninstall.
>OK
>
>How can I remove self distruct?
>
>Josh
>
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[Audyssey] star trek final conflict problem

2008-02-05 Thread josh
Hi,

I installed the dot net framework and direct-x from tom's site but when I 
play final conflict the game locks up whenever the borg attack and I have to 
close it with alt f4.

Josh



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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread darren harris
Yes space wise I don't have the physical space that I would need for all my
audio books and music. I'd need another house just for my collection. 

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yeah I know, I think most  copy mp3s, though,  they are everyware. Even
copying a cd is pirating even if its for personal use. I think though it
will even itself out once the industry goes digital, its already happening.
Its just the industry wasn't ready at the time. At 02:35 a.m. 6/02/2008, you
wrote:
>This is the kind of attitude which clearly shows a 2-faced mentality. 
>On
>one hand you say you don't pirate software, then on the other hand, you 
>say you pirate music. What's the difference?
>
>Amazing hypocrisy.
>
>shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:29 AM:
>> well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going 
>> alegal software wise. I still do music though. Really would run out 
>> of space if I didn't have mp3s.
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
One thing I found out is that unless you set tweakui to clear your document and 
run history it will eventually fill up and crash windows or parts of it which 
required a reformat to fix it but once its set up there is no problem.
I never noticed this when I first got xp since in 98 you can let the histories 
fill right up but in xp its not advisable to do this unless you want xp to 
struggle when trying to access the file menu.
ANd if you don't use tweakui you can do it through the taskbar start menu 
classic custom tab but you can forget to.
At 03:11 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote:
>If you format that much. Then either you got major issues with the 
>box and hardware or just need computer lessons.
>
>At 01:22 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote:
>>Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
>>game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
>>it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
>>and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
>>super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
>>really bought the game.
>>
>>On 2/5/08, Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I think he just forgot the don't.
>> > If everyone cared and nobody cried
>> > If everyone loved and nobody lied
>> > If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
>> > Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
>> > Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>> >
>> >
>> > > You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
>> > > understand why people just
>> > > fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
>> > > like
>> > > beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
>> > >
>> > > Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. Regardless
>> > > of
>> > > the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ---
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>> > > please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
>> > >
>> > > - Original Message -
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>> > > To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Hi Liam,
>> > >>
>> > >> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why 
>> people just
>> > >> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was something
>> > >> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
>> > >
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Re: [Audyssey] Atari games

2008-02-05 Thread darren harris
Well it was just a square board, with 2 escape holes, 1 at the top, 1 at the
bottom. The ghost house was in the middle, and you just played the game. It
was great!

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what was the first version like, any different to the esp pinbal packman, or
the pcs one? At 02:45 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote:
>We're forgetting packman!! Now phils packman puts me very much in mind 
>of the old atari packman. By the way the maze is organized. Still if I 
>could get my hands on that old first version of packman I'd play that 
>for ages!!
>
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>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Atari games
>
>
>I remember it, but never had it. I was able to borrow it from a friend
>and it was fun. But yeah, Dig Dug and Jungle Hunt were two other good 
>ones. I especially liked the swimming levels of Jungle Hunt.
>
>darren harris said the following on 2/4/2008 3:50 PM:
>> I loved that game!! That was adictive!! Remember mouse trap?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
>> Sent: 04 February 2008 20:51
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>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Atari games
>> 
>> 
>> I remember doing that with various games. One in particular was 
>> Kangaroo. When you went into that weird mode, you got to play a 
>> different level. Not sure if it was by design or just really weird, 
>> but there it was. Also, Dig Dug would present you with another level 
>> with all kinds of different and goofy colors.
>> 
>> Darren Harris said the following on 2/4/2008 2:53 PM:
>>> You had to switch it off and on in the right way and fiddle about
>>> with
>>> the switch. It made the game do funny things.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread josh
Hi,
yes but with gw-micro you don't have to pirate because they have a monthly 
payment plan now.
the only one that doesn't is freedom scientific.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day


> Here's my take on the subject.
>
> If you're a pirate, you're a pirate. You can't say any more than that.
> Whether it be downloading mp3's or games or what ever. Games and software 
> I
> don't pirate in case I need the technical support. But for stull like jaws
> cracks and the like I can definitely see why they are around. But then 
> again
> if a company wants to charge stupid prices for a product then they deserve
> everything they get. Just because it's a small market doesn't give fs or 
> gw
> micro the right to scoop the market for all the cash they can.
>
> Like I say I don't pirate software because I want the technical support 
> that
> goes with it. Also because sometimes cracked versions of software can leed
> to all sorts of strange and wonderful problems. Am lucky enough to have a
> credit card so I can buy what I want and pay it back in the manor of time
> that sutes me. Not only that, with cracks, there's not always the 
> guarantee
> that you will be able to upgrade to the latest version. So if a person is
> sensable, certain things you don't get cracked versions of. But you can't
> define a difference. You are either a pirate or you aren't. if you're 
> going
> to shoot someone down for pirating a game then you have to do the same 
> thing
> for anybody who pirates music or shares it. There is no difference.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
I get audio books myself, they cost more in digital format to get.

At 03:36 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote:
>books are my main problem. I can't scan every book I want to read, so I 
>download it from a site. Yeah, there are some electronic books, but it is 
>pot luck if you'll get it in a format that your screen reader will read.
>- Original Message - 
>From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>
>
>>I tried to program but gave in, did some courses and just didn't get 
>>interested.
>> I do try to stay as legally free if I can, about 98% of software is free, 
>> shareware with no demo or limitation or opensource windows, flashxp and 
>> prity much all the games here on are purchaced ones.
>> The rest, well its very small.
>> I must admit I do get music, who doesn't get music, and audio, its mostly 
>> for me to listen to I don't share it much at all.
>> And audiobooks.
>> I do have lagit mp3s too.
>> At 03:49 p.m. 5/02/2008, you wrote:
>>>Yeah, I suppose you're right there. I will admit that I was the same 
>>>before
>>>I got into software development and realised just myself just how hard it 
>>>is
>>>to do something.
>>>I don't know a single person who has never cracked a piece of software or
>>>copied a music cd and redistributed it, so I always thought, it's only 
>>>like
>>>recording a tape. People constantly do it, people constantly burn CD's,
>>>cracking software's the new way.
>>>But, like others, I saw sense. I hardly have one piece of cracked software
>>>on my computer now. Every single game that I enjoy I bought legal licences
>>>for, as well as Goldwave, GWVoice, DVD Audio Extractor, and various 
>>>software
>>>libraries, including registration, encryption and recording systems.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Damien
>>>
>>>
>>>- Original Message - 
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>>>To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:58 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>>
>>>
 Hi Liam and all,
 I haven't cracked any of your games, but I think I can offer up some
 explanation as to why people are cracking your games. To understand you
 need to get into the mind of a cracker and software pirate.
 A few years ago, back in my late teens and early 20's, I use to heavily
 be into the cracking and software piracy thing before I decided to go
 clean. Usually what it boiled down to was a self-righteous attitude
 like, "why should I pay for something if I know where to get it for 
 free?"
 On one hand I knew steeling was wrong. I would have never walked into a
 Wal-Mart, Best Buy, or some place like that and stole a music cd,
 software cd, or dvd movie off the shelf. I saw that as steeling and
 criminal behavior.
 On the other hand I saw nothing wrong with copying something. It is hard
 to explain, but I had a thousand excuses why copying, pirating, was not
 wrong. So and so was willing to give me a free copy, why pay for it if I
 can get it for free, it is only a copy not stolen,etc. It never crossed
 my mind weather I copied that music or software cd or stole it outright
 from the store someone lost money from my piracy.
 Bottom line at that time in my life copying or pirating something simply
 did not bother my conscience. I can remember at college there were a
 group of us tech types that passed around pirated software like it was
 candy or bubble gum cards. When one of us got a copy of say MS Office we
 would zip the cd and put it on Res Net. When Windows 98 came out whoever
 got a copy burned copies for everyone else, or put it on Res Net for
 download. We didn't think anything about it. It was just something we 
 did.
 Around 5 years ago I began attending church, and I started to reexamine
 not only my life, but the way I viewed things. I concluded after a while
 that weather I copied software or stole  it directly from Best Buy,
 Wal-Mart, or somewhere else it was still steeling. It took me a long
 time during my baptismal classes to come to terms with that fact.I also
 had to figure out why I refused to accept copying software and music was
 wrong. You want to know why I copied software and music without a
 conscience?
 Well, the answer comes down to some very basic human desires. The human
 heart and mind is greedy. I wanted that software, music, etc but I
 didn't want to pay for it. If I paid for it that was money I couldn't
 use for something else I wanted. I wanted everything, but I didn't want
 to pay for it all. I actually couldn't pay for it all so I decided to
 steel it, and then sweep it under the mental rug out of view of my
 conscience. Then, excuse it by saying something like, "copying software
 isn't like armed robbery."
 In my own personal ex

Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
Yeah.
And if you need to test stuff requiring a format concider buying a vertual 
machine software like vmware if your pc can run it right.
I tried but I have no use for it.
But if your pc can run it then you can test all you want and if your machine 
gets mangled you can restore a snapshot or just delete the machine and recreate 
it.
The vm does take resources and stuff though.
At 03:24 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote:
>I'd hate to have to deal with reinstalling all my programs once a week. As i 
>say in another post I see no credible reason to format that often. That's 
>just riddiculous. Kinda like defragging once a day.
>If everyone cared and nobody cried
>If everyone loved and nobody lied
>If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
>Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
>Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
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>From: "Trouble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
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>> If you format that much. Then either you got major issues with the
>> box and hardware or just need computer lessons.
>>
>> At 01:22 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote:
>>>Ok, I have the judgmenent day crack too, but I actually bought the
>>>game. Reason? I reformat my computer a lot, probably once per month if
>>>it gets bad, so I constantly have to either ask for new product ID's
>>>and dan is probably getting mad at me because I keep asking for new
>>>super deekout codes. That's the only reason I have your jd crack but I
>>>really bought the game.
>>>
>>>On 2/5/08, Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > I think he just forgot the don't.
>>> > If everyone cared and nobody cried
>>> > If everyone loved and nobody lied
>>> > If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
>>> > Then we'd see the day when nobody died.
>>> > Nickelback, If Everyone Cared
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > You say, and I quote, "I personally have found it just fine.  I don't
>>> > > understand why people just
>>> > > fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was 
>>> > > something
>>> > > like
>>> > > beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it."
>>> > >
>>> > > Unless I misunderstand you, you aughta be ashamed of yourself. 
>>> > > Regardless
>>> > > of
>>> > > the price of a product, stealing is wrong, and cracking is stealing.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ---
>>> > > If you don't stand behind our troops,
>>> > > please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
>>> > >
>>> > > - Original Message -
>>> > > From: "Tj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> > > To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:31 PM
>>> > > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >> Hi Liam,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I personally have found it just fine.  I don't understand why
>>> people just
>>> > >> fork out the money for high quality games.  I mean, if it was 
>>> > >> something
>>> > >> like beep you were selling for 30 bucks, heck yes 'd crack it.
>>> > >
>>> > >
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Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day

2008-02-05 Thread shaun everiss
Hmm thanks for that site.
2 bucks per album man.
At 04:18 a.m. 6/02/2008, you wrote:
>It's been a while but I believe I'll step into the dirt this time around. 
>I'm certainly guilty of mp3 piracy in the past. I used to hate buying an 
>album and then discovering that out of thirteen or sixteen songs, there was 
>maybe four or five that I actually enjoyed if I was very lucky. I used to 
>deeply resent that. I found it all too easy to rationalise grabbing a song 
>here or there that I actually wanted. With software, there's too much of a 
>stretch for me to ever make that kind of compromise with morality. If I 
>enjoy using a program, I'll either enjoy it enough to buy it or simply do 
>without it. It's that cut and dried. You're purchasing one thing that 
>presumeably does what you want or need it to do. There's no slippery slope 
>there. It's just a moral cliff to either jump off or not. Personally, I much 
>prefer the higher ground. If, for some reason, I need technical support or a 
>replacement key, I know I'm entitled to good customer care.
>
>On the music front, I've finally had the good luck to have found:
>
>www.mp3fiesta.com
>
>It sells mp3s very cheaply so that buying an album is something like two 
>dollars US and individual tracks are around ten cents. Downloading the mp3s 
>is as easy as downloading a regular file and I don't have to worry about 
>them only working on one machine or anything like that. It's about as 
>reasonable as humanly possible and I know I'm supporting the artists.
>
>Any way you slice it, piracy is wrong. I'm not certain there's all that much 
>to understand about why people do it. On the face of it, piracy doesn't seem 
>wrong because no physical goods are being taken. I think we're all still 
>catching up to the new digital world we live in. We have a hard time seeing 
>the physical consequences of the act and that has allowed piracy to become 
>as pervasive as it has particularly with music. In the accessible games 
>industry, we'll feel the effects of piracy far more keenly as developers 
>either go out of business or make their security more restrictive to the 
>point where it starts to deny legitimate customers the ownership rights they 
>ought to have. That process has already started with these activation keys 
>which tie a game to a certain machine. I just had to get another code for 
>Pipe2 so I could have it on my new desktop. If and when I'm able to get the 
>funds to upgrade Jaws and go to a Vista machine, I'll have to do that all 
>over again. If people keep passing around keys and cracks, I just hope 
>developers keep their legal customers foremost.
>
>Michael Feir
>Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine
>1996-2004
>Check out my blog at:
>www.blindspots.net
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:35 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] piracy of judgment day
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>> This is the kind of attitude which clearly shows a 2-faced mentality. On
>> one hand you say you don't pirate software, then on the other hand, you
>> say you pirate music. What's the difference?
>>
>> Amazing hypocrisy.
>>
>> shaun everiss said the following on 2/5/2008 3:29 AM:
>>> well I am around 25 now, I try to stay as free as I can without going 
>>> alegal software wise.
>>> I still do music though.
>>> Really would run out of space if I didn't have mp3s.
>> -- 
>> Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net
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