Re: [Audyssey] dragonSlayers games
Hello tom. While I understand the various reasons behind your annoyence with licensing and other issues, these weren't the reasons given by the lead developer of Dragonslayer. I actually had several conversations with him, sinse I felt he had a lot of enthusiasm, and indeed potentially good ideas of implementing interesting games even if he was just learning his craft, - pluss he was a genuinely nice chap to talk to. After this great display of enthusiasm though, he literally just dropped off the map, and I don't just mean in terms of programming I mean in terms of the games community in general. He no longer posted on the forum, nor indeed when i E-mailed him did he answer. At a later date, another friend of mine happened to run across him on Skype, and asked why, to which he dismissively replied that now he "had a life" so wasn't bothered about accessible games anymore. the fact that one can be interested in computer games and indeed have a life, interests, and friends outside them had planely not occurred to him at all. while he on average showed a mature atitude, this sounded to me more a case of teenaged anxt than anything else, - he certainly never voiced the concerns your raising. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragonSlayers games Hi Dark, Being a game developer myself I think I can understand the lead developer's reasons well enough. It is pretty easy to get disenchanted and out right discouraged when creating audio games. I'm obviously a lot older and more seasoned than the lead developer for Dragon Slayer Games was, but even I feel like hanging it up from time to time. Although, my major gripe has to do with licensing issues. When I first started writing accessible games I imagined writing games like those I use to play in the good old days when I still could see. I figured as the common person does that I would be able to make my own versions of Double Dragon, Castlevania, Tomb Raider, Star Wars, whatever, and the mainstream companies would leave me alone. No such luck. i found out the hard way when I got threatened with a law suit over Montezuma's Revenge, and now i feel pretty bitter about that. Especially, considering the fact that current laws grants these companies nearly godlike control over their copyrights, trade marks, and creations regardless of accessibility concerns. That alone killed many of my hopes and dreams for creating audio games. Then, there is the technical aspects to deal with. If a developer wants to specifically program for Windows the sky is the limit. However, over the passed couple of years I have joined the ranks of blind computer users that use alternative operating systems such as Linux and Mac OS. This makes writing games tricky because it is hard to find any programming API, specification, that is supported on Mac, Linux, and Windows. There are some good ones out there like the FMOD Audio API, but it isn't free for commercial developers. Licensing can be steep, and a certain percentage of all sales will have to go into licensing the API. This isn't necessarily an acceptable situation given USA Games doesn't make all that much off our games to begin with. Basically, enough just to properly license, sounds, music, and perhaps an API like FMOD if we can afford it. Finally, after all that there are complete jerks out there that will happily crack and redistribute the game to every disreputable blind person on the planet. To them it doesn't matter how long it took to create the game, how much it cost the developer to license this or that, and so on. All of that means nothing to them. Instead the game is something they can hack, crack, and pass around like bubble gum cards. So, bottom line, there is a lot a developer can get disenchanted about. It is hard work for very little financial gain, and sometimes little recognition. I do it because I generally like the work despite the troubles, bologna, and other crap I have to put up with. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.co
[Audyssey] vip question with triggers and back sound
Hey all, I remember not that long ago someone posted a file of them playing a mud with all the sound effects and music background in the game. Was the mud cyber punk? I can't remember who it was, but I was wondering, is it possible for me to get the set file so I can look at the scripting you did in order to get some of the sound effects accomplished? Not for the same mud, but if I can see how someone used it in real life I may get ideas. I can do basic triggers. But, I am trying to have sounds loop in the backgroun for ambiance. an example is when I am on my ship in Materia magica. I have a loop I want to use for ocean noises but I cna't seem to figure out how to write ir properly so that it works. Well, I get it to start but I cna't get it to shut off when I want too. So again, I was hoping that maybe if I looked at another script I may be able to get ideas. I have read the help file in vip mud for scripting and it left me confused. If anyone could help me out I would greatly appreciate it. I am really trying to bring my game to life and I am sort of getting there but... still have a long way to go. Thanks so much in advance. Kellie and my lovable Lady J. Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus www.guidedogs.com - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragonSlayers games Hello tom. While I understand the various reasons behind your annoyence with licensing and other issues, these weren't the reasons given by the lead developer of Dragonslayer. I actually had several conversations with him, sinse I felt he had a lot of enthusiasm, and indeed potentially good ideas of implementing interesting games even if he was just learning his craft, - pluss he was a genuinely nice chap to talk to. After this great display of enthusiasm though, he literally just dropped off the map, and I don't just mean in terms of programming I mean in terms of the games community in general. He no longer posted on the forum, nor indeed when i E-mailed him did he answer. At a later date, another friend of mine happened to run across him on Skype, and asked why, to which he dismissively replied that now he "had a life" so wasn't bothered about accessible games anymore. the fact that one can be interested in computer games and indeed have a life, interests, and friends outside them had planely not occurred to him at all. while he on average showed a mature atitude, this sounded to me more a case of teenaged anxt than anything else, - he certainly never voiced the concerns your raising. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragonSlayers games Hi Dark, Being a game developer myself I think I can understand the lead developer's reasons well enough. It is pretty easy to get disenchanted and out right discouraged when creating audio games. I'm obviously a lot older and more seasoned than the lead developer for Dragon Slayer Games was, but even I feel like hanging it up from time to time. Although, my major gripe has to do with licensing issues. When I first started writing accessible games I imagined writing games like those I use to play in the good old days when I still could see. I figured as the common person does that I would be able to make my own versions of Double Dragon, Castlevania, Tomb Raider, Star Wars, whatever, and the mainstream companies would leave me alone. No such luck. i found out the hard way when I got threatened with a law suit over Montezuma's Revenge, and now i feel pretty bitter about that. Especially, considering the fact that current laws grants these companies nearly godlike control over their copyrights, trade marks, and creations regardless of accessibility concerns. That alone killed many of my hopes and dreams for creating audio games. Then, there is the technical aspects to deal with. If a developer wants to specifically program for Windows the sky is the limit. However, over the passed couple of years I have joined the ranks of blind computer users that use alternative operating systems such as Linux and Mac OS. This makes writing games tricky because it is hard to find any programming API, specification, that is supported on Mac, Linux, and Windows. There are some good ones out there like the FMOD Audio API, but it isn't free for commercial developers. Licensing can be steep, and a certain percentage of all sales will have to go into licensing the API. This isn't necessarily an acceptable situation given USA Games doesn't make all that much off our games to begin with. Basically, enough just to properly license, sounds, music, and perhaps an API like FMOD if we can afford it. Finally, after all that there are complete jerks out there that will happily crack and redist
Re: [Audyssey] vip question with triggers and back sound
heh the subject was supposed to be background sound and music. lol That is why you don't send emails at 2 in the morning. lol Kellie and my lovable Lady J. Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus www.guidedogs.com - Original Message - From: "Kellie and my lovable Lady J." To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:47 AM Subject: [Audyssey] vip question with triggers and back sound Hey all, I remember not that long ago someone posted a file of them playing a mud with all the sound effects and music background in the game. Was the mud cyber punk? I can't remember who it was, but I was wondering, is it possible for me to get the set file so I can look at the scripting you did in order to get some of the sound effects accomplished? Not for the same mud, but if I can see how someone used it in real life I may get ideas. I can do basic triggers. But, I am trying to have sounds loop in the backgroun for ambiance. an example is when I am on my ship in Materia magica. I have a loop I want to use for ocean noises but I cna't seem to figure out how to write ir properly so that it works. Well, I get it to start but I cna't get it to shut off when I want too. So again, I was hoping that maybe if I looked at another script I may be able to get ideas. I have read the help file in vip mud for scripting and it left me confused. If anyone could help me out I would greatly appreciate it. I am really trying to bring my game to life and I am sort of getting there but... still have a long way to go. Thanks so much in advance. Kellie and my lovable Lady J. Resident Adviser, Guide Dogs for the Blind Oregon campus www.guidedogs.com - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragonSlayers games Hello tom. While I understand the various reasons behind your annoyence with licensing and other issues, these weren't the reasons given by the lead developer of Dragonslayer. I actually had several conversations with him, sinse I felt he had a lot of enthusiasm, and indeed potentially good ideas of implementing interesting games even if he was just learning his craft, - pluss he was a genuinely nice chap to talk to. After this great display of enthusiasm though, he literally just dropped off the map, and I don't just mean in terms of programming I mean in terms of the games community in general. He no longer posted on the forum, nor indeed when i E-mailed him did he answer. At a later date, another friend of mine happened to run across him on Skype, and asked why, to which he dismissively replied that now he "had a life" so wasn't bothered about accessible games anymore. the fact that one can be interested in computer games and indeed have a life, interests, and friends outside them had planely not occurred to him at all. while he on average showed a mature atitude, this sounded to me more a case of teenaged anxt than anything else, - he certainly never voiced the concerns your raising. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragonSlayers games Hi Dark, Being a game developer myself I think I can understand the lead developer's reasons well enough. It is pretty easy to get disenchanted and out right discouraged when creating audio games. I'm obviously a lot older and more seasoned than the lead developer for Dragon Slayer Games was, but even I feel like hanging it up from time to time. Although, my major gripe has to do with licensing issues. When I first started writing accessible games I imagined writing games like those I use to play in the good old days when I still could see. I figured as the common person does that I would be able to make my own versions of Double Dragon, Castlevania, Tomb Raider, Star Wars, whatever, and the mainstream companies would leave me alone. No such luck. i found out the hard way when I got threatened with a law suit over Montezuma's Revenge, and now i feel pretty bitter about that. Especially, considering the fact that current laws grants these companies nearly godlike control over their copyrights, trade marks, and creations regardless of accessibility concerns. That alone killed many of my hopes and dreams for creating audio games. Then, there is the technical aspects to deal with. If a developer wants to specifically program for Windows the sky is the limit. However, over the passed couple of years I have joined the ranks of blind computer users that use alternative operating systems such as Linux and Mac OS. This makes writing games tricky because it is hard to find any programming API, specification, that is supported on Mac, Linux, and Windows. There are some good ones out there like the FMOD Audio API, but it isn't free for commercial deve
[Audyssey] Huge cave.
Hi all, Just wondering if anyone has ported across that huge cave or colossal cave game from dos to windows and if so where can I get it please/ thanks in advance. lisa Hayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Huge cave.
Hello Lisa. If you mean the original cave adventure from the 1970's, there's a really nice version for Tads, with all original game text but a slightly updated parza. you can find it on the If archive, or indeed on http://www.rickadams.org/adventure/index.html Hth. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: "Lisa Hayes" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:59 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Huge cave. Hi all, Just wondering if anyone has ported across that huge cave or colossal cave game from dos to windows and if so where can I get it please/ thanks in advance. lisa Hayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Huge cave.
hi Lisa, you may try http://www.rickadams.org/adventure/ hth http://www.secretsthatwekeep.com/003 Simon msn: simod...@hotmail.com skype, slifinger - Original Message - From: "Lisa Hayes" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:59 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Huge cave. Hi all, Just wondering if anyone has ported across that huge cave or colossal cave game from dos to windows and if so where can I get it please/ thanks in advance. lisa Hayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon slayers games
Hi thomas, Is it possible that there is some kind of conspiracy goingon with copyright laws that gives companies godLike control over their so-called intellectual property? I went to hp's site the other day and read about their computers. It says they got windows genuine advantage, norton security norton anti-virus, antispyware all this stuff on them. Sure the computers gotta have fast processors, because you're using a lot of that power to make up for the slowing-down that antivirus and other such software does. When will the average consumer learn that Mac and Linux are more secure? And also google Chrome OS running on Linux rumored to be being created for release sometime next year? When will the consumer get tired of the krap, the $1200 for Jaws and Window-eyes and say, I've had it? As soon as I can I'm getting a MacBook putting windows xp on it and will only use windows for games that's really about it. Otherwise I'll use the Mac OS. You know after a fresh install of windows xp things load lots faster? then put your antivirus and antispyware and securitty software on there and things run half or less than half as fast because everything's being scanned. But if you remove the security software you risk a total breakdown. When will the consumers learn macs and Linux are better? I'm not talking about whether one chooses the command line or the gui that's notthe issue. The issue is the OS viruses and security. If we wouldn't have to worry about that games would... run faster load faster not crash with errors or if they did hardly ever if at all. I agree that programmers gotta make money. But in my opinion putting such tight restrictions and making such tight tight tight copyright laws actually stifles an artists creativity. That's what you game programmers are part artist, computer scientist, and programmer writing commands to tell the computer what to do. And your creativity as an artist is being stifled by very restrictive copyright laws and its sighted people too. when will the consumers get a clue, wake up, and say I've had it! I'm not putting up with thiss anymore! Some arre doing it, but very few, serotek and mozilla and Ubuntu. Why so many choices with screen readers? because they don't all do the same thing. Now what if ms built a powerful screen reader rightinto windows itself? A screen reader that combined the strengths of all our current windows screen readers and our favorite voices? We need accessibility built-in, not as an afterthought and bolted on-top. Josh download Klango, its free at www.klango.net download Vinux at www.vinux.org.uk my twitter is: www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] dragonSlayers games
Hi Thomas, And for me it is the love of the idea I have for the game that I am developing and the wanting to play it. Pretty sure that I would want to hang it up if say I was tied into producing games that I was not really in love with. So for me playing the finished game and the fun of figuring out the code is the fun of it all. Of course it has been very very rewarding hearing from those who enjoy the games for all these years. TGIF and BFN Jim I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Loan Wolf Sound Packs
HEY THOMAS, PLEASE DO. i WANTED TO GET YOUR PACK FOR A WHILE NOW. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Loan Wolf Sound Packs Hi, I can reupload the USA Games Lonewolf sound pack. I don't have time to put it up right now, but I'll try and reupload tomorrow. Hayden Presley wrote: Hello, I know the USA Games sound pack got deleted, but is there some way to get the PCS Games sound pack for this game? Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] dragonSlayers games
Hi, Dark. I realize that. My actual point was to point out that while programming accessible games is often rewarding it also can be disenchanting once you discover all the legal and technical entanglements that goes with the job. I'm not sure what the lead developers reasons were, but I know how I feel about the issues I mentioned earlier. Which I braught them up as an example of the kinds of problems we face as audio game developers. As far as the developers comments about "he now had a life" I agree this sounds more like teenaged anxt than anything else. I program and play accessible games, but I do have a life outside of it. I'm not sure where he is coming from, but maybe he felt it took up too much of his time. Its hard to say without him giving his reasons. Smile. dark wrote: Hello tom. While I understand the various reasons behind your annoyence with licensing and other issues, these weren't the reasons given by the lead developer of Dragonslayer. I actually had several conversations with him, sinse I felt he had a lot of enthusiasm, and indeed potentially good ideas of implementing interesting games even if he was just learning his craft, - pluss he was a genuinely nice chap to talk to. After this great display of enthusiasm though, he literally just dropped off the map, and I don't just mean in terms of programming I mean in terms of the games community in general. He no longer posted on the forum, nor indeed when i E-mailed him did he answer. At a later date, another friend of mine happened to run across him on Skype, and asked why, to which he dismissively replied that now he "had a life" so wasn't bothered about accessible games anymore. the fact that one can be interested in computer games and indeed have a life, interests, and friends outside them had planely not occurred to him at all. while he on average showed a mature atitude, this sounded to me more a case of teenaged anxt than anything else, - he certainly never voiced the concerns your raising. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragonSlayers games Hi Dark, Being a game developer myself I think I can understand the lead developer's reasons well enough. It is pretty easy to get disenchanted and out right discouraged when creating audio games. I'm obviously a lot older and more seasoned than the lead developer for Dragon Slayer Games was, but even I feel like hanging it up from time to time. Although, my major gripe has to do with licensing issues. When I first started writing accessible games I imagined writing games like those I use to play in the good old days when I still could see. I figured as the common person does that I would be able to make my own versions of Double Dragon, Castlevania, Tomb Raider, Star Wars, whatever, and the mainstream companies would leave me alone. No such luck. i found out the hard way when I got threatened with a law suit over Montezuma's Revenge, and now i feel pretty bitter about that. Especially, considering the fact that current laws grants these companies nearly godlike control over their copyrights, trade marks, and creations regardless of accessibility concerns. That alone killed many of my hopes and dreams for creating audio games. Then, there is the technical aspects to deal with. If a developer wants to specifically program for Windows the sky is the limit. However, over the passed couple of years I have joined the ranks of blind computer users that use alternative operating systems such as Linux and Mac OS. This makes writing games tricky because it is hard to find any programming API, specification, that is supported on Mac, Linux, and Windows. There are some good ones out there like the FMOD Audio API, but it isn't free for commercial developers. Licensing can be steep, and a certain percentage of all sales will have to go into licensing the API. This isn't necessarily an acceptable situation given USA Games doesn't make all that much off our games to begin with. Basically, enough just to properly license, sounds, music, and perhaps an API like FMOD if we can afford it. Finally, after all that there are complete jerks out there that will happily crack and redistribute the game to every disreputable blind person on the planet. To them it doesn't matter how long it took to create the game, how much it cost the developer to license this or that, and so on. All of that means nothing to them. Instead the game is something they can hack, crack, and pass around like bubble gum cards. So, bottom line, there is a lot a developer can get disenchanted about. It is hard work for very little financial gain, and sometimes little recognition. I do it because I generally like the work despite the troubles, bologna, and other crap I have to put up with. Cheers! --- Ga
Re: [Audyssey] the game zone
Hi Michael, I just listened to some of your game zone show and it certainly has potential. I live in Georgia too by the way, grin. The only real problem I had with the show was sound quality. I am not sure if that is something at your end that can be improved, or if it is a problem with my end meaning the phone and or service I use. Unfortunatley, It was hard to understand, and I would have listened longer but for that one problem. al of - Original Message - From: "michael barnes" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: [Audyssey] the game zone have you ever wanted a show for all gamers of different kind of games will i have a show just forr that reason it call the game zone. it is free to call and listen to it the show is only 30 minutes long and on this show we talk about audio games video games text games and other kind of games please check out my new show and tell me what you think here is the number 206-426-3790 i also plan to have game makers on the show some time and talk about things that was talk about on this list -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Playing oldies games on XP
Dear friends, I like NHL very much and I heard,that is not function NHL 2000 for XP.It is very sat.This game was good for us,sound autoreplay and crowts.Please,I downloaded NHL97.I know,it is for dos and Windows 95,but I like experiments.:)But I can not install them.Thit error is on computer: --- Application Error: H:\INSTALL\Winstall.exe --- The instruction at 00415fbd referenced memory at The memory could not be read from Click on OK to terminate the application --- OK --- It is definitivly loose?Please,help.:)Or it is not possible?Does exist some emulator? Lukáš Kakara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Copyright Problems was dragon slayers games
Hi, Josh. Josh wrote: Is it possible that there is some kind of conspiracy going on with copyright laws that gives companies godlike control over their so-called intellectual property? My response: No, that's just the way it is. Since we live in a capitalist society, where everyone maintains the right to hold private property, the copyright laws are there to protect companies intellectual and material rights to their products, ideas, and services. That said, there are limits on how much control companies and individuals has over a certain copyright, and often this is where the courts get involved to draw those boundaries. For example, the case, Intel VS AMD, regarding the 586 processor. In that case Intel sued AMD for releasing a 586 processor, and Intel maintained they had full rights to the 586 trade mark. The Supreme Court made a ruling that a number could not be copyrighted, and a trade mark has to be a unique product name of a specific design. After that Intel released their 586 line as the Pentium processor and AMD later released their Athelon series of processors. Both the Pentium and Athelon names are true trade marks where a name like 586 is not. Anyway, even though there are limits on copyrights and trade marks the law more often as not comes down on the side of the company or individual who comes up with a product or idea first. Issues like accessibility were not included in the original copyright laws, and therefore have had to be fought for in the courts every step of the way. Laws like Public Law 9-22, which gives us the right in the U.S.A. to get written materials in an accessible format, was necessary to force publishers into allowing books, magazines, etc to be produced in accessible formats. Otherwise without Public Law 9-22 publishers could sue American Printing House, Bookshare, Recordings for the Blind, etc for reproducing printed materials in braille, audio, or daisy format without written permission from the publisher. It is, in fact, areas like this where the copyright laws have obstructed the needs of the blind and others with physical disabilities. When it comes to certain media like games we really got the short end of the stick. Unlike books most people see games as purely entertainment, they are a non-essential item, and therefore there aren't currently many people out there pushing for their rights to accessible games. There are, unfortunately, more important issues like making our money accessible by feel rather than having to purchase and use a money reader. Being able to tell the difference between a $10 bill and a $1 bill is imho much more important in the long run than weather or not the latest video game is accessible or not. The only way I can see to solve this problem is if our government would either pass a law to enforce equal accessibility for movies, books, games, etc forcing all publishers and companies to include accessibility from the start, or create a more generalized Public Law 9-22 that allows third-party organizations to freely create accessible versions of books, movies, or games in an accessible format. Unfortunately, neither of these are very likely given our current laws and the publics general indifference to accessibility rights and issues. Not to mention the very companies who lines this or that candidates pockets aren't going to approve of either of those suggestions, and you can bet they will put the squeeze on anyone who tries to sponsor a bill like that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] game sellers
i'm interested in a list of people who sell games I play fantasy baseball, fantasy football and freekick. I'm wondering of madden football is accessible. even if they are muds, I'd be interested in knowing about them sincerely, stephen rogers --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Consumers and alternatives was dragon slayers games
Hi, Josh. Josh wrote: When will the average consumer learn that Mac and Linux are more secure? My response: That's a good question, and one I can't answer. I need a crystal ball for that one. Although, I can say this. In my years working with the public, trouble shooting their computers, etc I generally find security isn't often at the top of their list of requirements. The average John and Jane out there only care about being able to send and exchange e-mails with their friends and family, do some instant messenging, browse the net for that special recipe, play a few games, and maybe a few other odd tasks. They usually don't worry about system security, or know how to make their computers more safe and secure. I've met plenty of people who don't even update their anti-virus software regularly, because they were never told they needed too. They just assumed since it was installed and running they were safe. I've met several people who run XP as administrator even though Microsoft warns end users not to do it on a regular basis. Most people do it unaware or holy innocent of the damage that could happen as a result of running as administrator. Bottom line, your average consumer really doesn't understand computer security well, and regardless of the operating system being used half of the problem is the operator's own knowledge about how to secure his/her computer effectively. For example, you say that Mac and Linux is more secure than Windows. Generally speaking that is absolutely true, but it isn't invincible. I can think of several ways in which a poor operator can weaken the operating system's security without even thinking about it such as using weak passwords, logging on as root, forgetting to password protect his or her system, enabling automatic login on startup, and so on. These are all common problems we techs see on Mac, Linux, and Windows and our average consumers have picked up some rather bad security habits and practices that carry over from operating system to operating system. Bad operator equals bad security too. Here is a simple example. A couple years ago my wife and I did some house sitting for her parents, and she decided she wanted to browse the internet. When she started her dad's computer up it was password protected. Well, seeing as her dad is a minister we decided to try the obvious. We typed Jesus into the password box, and sure enough we logged right on. Point being if we could crack it with one guess his password was far too simple, easy, and was very weak. People do stupid stuff like that all the time holy unaware of how easy their security can be compromised by a determined hacker, or a lucky guess as was our case. Josh wrote: You know after a fresh install of windows xp things load lots faster? then put your anti-virus and anti-spyware and security software on there and things run half or less than half as fast because every thing's being scanned. But if you remove the security software you risk a total breakdown. My response: Yes, I know that. That is one of my major gripes with Windows. As long as you don't plan to use Windows for the internet you don't need as much security software, but the average user does thus they need the entire range of security software. I know as well as anyone having a screen reader, anti-virus program, spam blockers, firewall, etc all running in the background eats into memory and CPU performance. Josh wrote: When will the consumer get tired of the crap, the $1200 for Jaws and Window-eyes and say, I've had it? My response: Well, there is more to it than just security or the cost of the software to consider here. Most of it comes down to availability and compatibility issues. Most of the people in the world use Windows, own Windows, so most of the hardware and software out there is designed for Windows. Most programmers are taught to program for Windows, most technical manuals and guides are for Windows, and the list goes on and on. Converting the consumer base over to something else like Mac OS or Linux is a massive undertaking that can't be done over night if at all. First of all, you have this huge catalog of Windows software that includes things like games, financial programs, imaging software, you name it that won't run on anything else but Windows computers. So assuming user x decides to install and run Linux the first major problem he/she will have is trying to locate software that compares to what he/she already owns and likes. Speaking from experience it is hard to find something that really compares to Sound Forge, Adobe Photo Shop, the DirectX API, Quicken, etc. Sure their is Audacity, Gimp, and GNU Cash, that can serve as alternatives they still aren't 100% equal to their Windows counterparts. That is only the beginning of problems. Second of all, you have hardware issues. Some companies are hell bent on producing Windows only hardware, and or ship onl
Re: [Audyssey] dragonSlayers games
Hi Jim, Yeah, I'm not really in it for the money either. I mainly started writing games purely for the fun of it too. However, arguing with companies over copyrights has taken a good deal of fun out of it. However, if I were to go straight freeware or open source I could probably save myself a lot of grief. As I have said many times before on list a developer is more likely to get sued or get attention when or if he or she tries to market a product commercially. Since all of your games are totally free Hazbro isn't likely to send you a letter to yank Monopoly off your site because it would cost them more to lidigate the issue than they would get out of suing you, and they know it. Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Thomas, And for me it is the love of the idea I have for the game that I am developing and the wanting to play it. Pretty sure that I would want to hang it up if say I was tied into producing games that I was not really in love with. So for me playing the finished game and the fun of figuring out the code is the fun of it all. Of course it has been very very rewarding hearing from those who enjoy the games for all these years. TGIF and BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Loan Wolf Sound Packs
I would check at www.pcsgames.net or ask Phil. HTH. Stop repeat offenders! Don't reelect them! - Original Message - From: "Nick Helms" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Loan Wolf Sound Packs Lonewolf comes with sounds, if you’re thinking of the same one I am, GMA games’s lone wolf sub si? On 9/18/09, Hayden Presley wrote: Hello, I know the USA Games sound pack got deleted, but is there some way to get the PCS Games sound pack for this game? Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- website: Nickhelms.net sip phone number: 360-526-6509 Skype: Nickster919 twitter: Nickster919 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
Hi all I am pleased to announce that my mom has at last agreed that shades of doom is ok for me to play. She has tried to forbid me for years to play sod as she felt its sheer violence. I will tell how it came to be that my mom has softened her view about sod. me and a friend of mine were having a pizza at a restaurant yesterday evening and we talked about games. I told this friend about the audio games I am playing, I described pipe2 to him in detail. and he told me about his games. He told me that he is currently playing mainstream games made for the pc. He once had the x box but it was too expensive. Each game on the x box costs 500 south african rand. But this friend told me about ashooting game that he bought himself for his pc, called unreal tournament where there is a lot of shooting involved. The game consist of different missions/tasks but the main objective is fighting. So I asked him whether his dad is ok with the game he is playing as he stays with his family and they are also Jehovah witnesses, he told me yes. So today I spoke to my mom about this friend's game, telling her his dad does not have a problem with him playhing it. and she told me that each person must decide according to his conscience. So I described shades of doom to my mom in the language of the man on the street. I told my mom that in shades of doom I do not kill people, I kill monsters similar to prehistoric monsters such as dinosaurs. I told her about the experiment that went wrong and that my mission is to collect wafers to shut down the experiment and to collect the wafers I have to kill creatures. She asked if there is blood in the sod game and I answered no. So eventually she agreed that its not harmfull to me. I will try to translate her words into English. "now I agree a game of erasing monsters is not that bad." So now I can freelly play shades of doom without anybody asking me what I am playing if they see the title on my screen. Because I share my flat with a couple, my mom's friends, and they care for me such as doing the cooking. So if they have any questions, I will just explain to them how I have explained to my mom and that its ok with her for me to play sod. Spoiler space And I can also now play sarah soon even though my mom and her friends hates magic games . so soon I can also now freely play sarah without them watching the screen due to the fact that phil will change the screen name to only sarah instead of sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry in his coming update. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
UmThat's great, but how old are you? Allison http://www.allisonmervis.com/ - Original Message - From: "Nicol" To: "gamers" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom Hi all I am pleased to announce that my mom has at last agreed that shades of doom is ok for me to play. She has tried to forbid me for years to play sod as she felt its sheer violence. I will tell how it came to be that my mom has softened her view about sod. me and a friend of mine were having a pizza at a restaurant yesterday evening and we talked about games. I told this friend about the audio games I am playing, I described pipe2 to him in detail. and he told me about his games. He told me that he is currently playing mainstream games made for the pc. He once had the x box but it was too expensive. Each game on the x box costs 500 south african rand. But this friend told me about ashooting game that he bought himself for his pc, called unreal tournament where there is a lot of shooting involved. The game consist of different missions/tasks but the main objective is fighting. So I asked him whether his dad is ok with the game he is playing as he stays with his family and they are also Jehovah witnesses, he told me yes. So today I spoke to my mom about this friend's game, telling her his dad does not have a problem with him playhing it. and she told me that each person must decide according to his conscience. So I described shades of doom to my mom in the language of the man on the street. I told my mom that in shades of doom I do not kill people, I kill monsters similar to prehistoric monsters such as dinosaurs. I told her about the experiment that went wrong and that my mission is to collect wafers to shut down the experiment and to collect the wafers I have to kill creatures. She asked if there is blood in the sod game and I answered no. So eventually she agreed that its not harmfull to me. I will try to translate her words into English. "now I agree a game of erasing monsters is not that bad." So now I can freelly play shades of doom without anybody asking me what I am playing if they see the title on my screen. Because I share my flat with a couple, my mom's friends, and they care for me such as doing the cooking. So if they have any questions, I will just explain to them how I have explained to my mom and that its ok with her for me to play sod. Spoiler space And I can also now play sarah soon even though my mom and her friends hates magic games . so soon I can also now freely play sarah without them watching the screen due to the fact that phil will change the screen name to only sarah instead of sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry in his coming update. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4438 (20090918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4438 (20090918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
it's not age that's the issue. At 08:37 AM 19/09/2009, you wrote: UmThat's great, but how old are you? Allison http://www.allisonmervis.com/ - Original Message - From: "Nicol" To: "gamers" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom Hi all I am pleased to announce that my mom has at last agreed that shades of doom is ok for me to play. She has tried to forbid me for years to play sod as she felt its sheer violence. I will tell how it came to be that my mom has softened her view about sod. me and a friend of mine were having a pizza at a restaurant yesterday evening and we talked about games. I told this friend about the audio games I am playing, I described pipe2 to him in detail. and he told me about his games. He told me that he is currently playing mainstream games made for the pc. He once had the x box but it was too expensive. Each game on the x box costs 500 south african rand. But this friend told me about ashooting game that he bought himself for his pc, called unreal tournament where there is a lot of shooting involved. The game consist of different missions/tasks but the main objective is fighting. So I asked him whether his dad is ok with the game he is playing as he stays with his family and they are also Jehovah witnesses, he told me yes. So today I spoke to my mom about this friend's game, telling her his dad does not have a problem with him playhing it. and she told me that each person must decide according to his conscience. So I described shades of doom to my mom in the language of the man on the street. I told my mom that in shades of doom I do not kill people, I kill monsters similar to prehistoric monsters such as dinosaurs. I told her about the experiment that went wrong and that my mission is to collect wafers to shut down the experiment and to collect the wafers I have to kill creatures. She asked if there is blood in the sod game and I answered no. So eventually she agreed that its not harmfull to me. I will try to translate her words into English. "now I agree a game of erasing monsters is not that bad." So now I can freelly play shades of doom without anybody asking me what I am playing if they see the title on my screen. Because I share my flat with a couple, my mom's friends, and they care for me such as doing the cooking. So if they have any questions, I will just explain to them how I have explained to my mom and that its ok with her for me to play sod. Spoiler space And I can also now play sarah soon even though my mom and her friends hates magic games . so soon I can also now freely play sarah without them watching the screen due to the fact that phil will change the screen name to only sarah instead of sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry in his coming update. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4438 (20090918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4438 (20090918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
Hi Nicol, Smile. I'm glad you won this small victory. Since my in-laws' opinions are similar to your mother's opinions I know all too well how hard it is to get people like that to see your point of view. Cheers! Nicol wrote: Hi all I am pleased to announce that my mom has at last agreed that shades of doom is ok for me to play. She has tried to forbid me for years to play sod as she felt its sheer violence. I will tell how it came to be that my mom has softened her view about sod. me and a friend of mine were having a pizza at a restaurant yesterday evening and we talked about games. I told this friend about the audio games I am playing, I described pipe2 to him in detail. and he told me about his games. He told me that he is currently playing mainstream games made for the pc. He once had the x box but it was too expensive. Each game on the x box costs 500 south african rand. But this friend told me about ashooting game that he bought himself for his pc, called unreal tournament where there is a lot of shooting involved. The game consist of different missions/tasks but the main objective is fighting. So I asked him whether his dad is ok with the game he is playing as he stays with his family and they are also Jehovah witnesses, he told me yes. So today I spoke to my mom about this friend's game, telling her his dad does not have a problem with him playhing it. and she told me that each person must decide according to his conscience. So I described shades of doom to my mom in the language of the man on the street. I told my mom that in shades of doom I do not kill people, I kill monsters similar to prehistoric monsters such as dinosaurs. I told her about the experiment that went wrong and that my mission is to collect wafers to shut down the experiment and to collect the wafers I have to kill creatures. She asked if there is blood in the sod game and I answered no. So eventually she agreed that its not harmfull to me. I will try to translate her words into English. "now I agree a game of erasing monsters is not that bad." So now I can freelly play shades of doom without anybody asking me what I am playing if they see the title on my screen. Because I share my flat with a couple, my mom's friends, and they care for me such as doing the cooking. So if they have any questions, I will just explain to them how I have explained to my mom and that its ok with her for me to play sod. Spoiler space And I can also now play sarah soon even though my mom and her friends hates magic games . so soon I can also now freely play sarah without them watching the screen due to the fact that phil will change the screen name to only sarah instead of sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry in his coming update. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
I am 31. My mom never think that I am a child, its because she is a Jehovah witness. It all goes about religion, certain games like violence and magic is forbidden for the Jehovah witnesses and my mom tried for many years to force me into the Jehovah witness religion. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]on Behalf Of Allison Mervis Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:37 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom UmThat's great, but how old are you? Allison --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
Hi Allison, He is an adult, but age really isn't the issue here. Apparently from what I gather regardless of his age his mother tries to control him, boss him around, and tell him what to do. Especially, when a game, book, or something offends her religious views. For most of us we move away from home, get a job, and when a parent or in-laws try to tell us what to do we can tell them "bite me" and that will be the end of it. I guess he still lives with or near enough to his mother that she still has a controlling influence on his life so telling her to "go jump in a river" isn't feasible. Allison Mervis wrote: UmThat's great, but how old are you? Allison http://www.allisonmervis.com/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
Well good for you for fighting back however you can. Allison http://www.allisonmervis.com/ - Original Message - From: "Nicol" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom I am 31. My mom never think that I am a child, its because she is a Jehovah witness. It all goes about religion, certain games like violence and magic is forbidden for the Jehovah witnesses and my mom tried for many years to force me into the Jehovah witness religion. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]on Behalf Of Allison Mervis Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:37 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom UmThat's great, but how old are you? Allison --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4438 (20090918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4439 (20090918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Loan Wolf Sound Packs
Great Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Loan Wolf Sound Packs Hi, I can reupload the USA Games Lonewolf sound pack. I don't have time to put it up right now, but I'll try and reupload tomorrow. Hayden Presley wrote: > Hello, > > I know the USA Games sound pack got deleted, but is there some way to get > the PCS Games sound pack for this game? > > Hayden > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
I completely understand. Please know that my question wasn't meant to offend or cause any kind of controversy. This kind of situation is unfortunately something which I encounter every day as part of my job. There are tactful ways of telling her to go jump in a river without saying it outright. However, that's beyond the scope of this list, so I won't elaborate further. http://www.allisonmervis.com/ - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom Hi Allison, He is an adult, but age really isn't the issue here. Apparently from what I gather regardless of his age his mother tries to control him, boss him around, and tell him what to do. Especially, when a game, book, or something offends her religious views. For most of us we move away from home, get a job, and when a parent or in-laws try to tell us what to do we can tell them "bite me" and that will be the end of it. I guess he still lives with or near enough to his mother that she still has a controlling influence on his life so telling her to "go jump in a river" isn't feasible. Allison Mervis wrote: UmThat's great, but how old are you? Allison http://www.allisonmervis.com/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4439 (20090918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4439 (20090918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] dragonSlayers games
Hi Thomas, Yes, producing free games definitely allows a certain amount of copyright freedom etc. Like when I was breaking bread with one of the writers from the Simpson's and mentioned that Homer was in just about every one of my games, he was about to say something about it because the Simpson's have always been strict on copyright issues, until I mentioned that all of my games are totally free. Then he and his wife started asking me questions about How I make my games and how they do the audio described TV show of The Simpson's. BTW It was weird that today on the history channel I learned that President Abraham Lincoln's effigy was done by Matthew Simpson in Springfield Illinois. And of course the writers never realized that there is actually a Shelbyville just north of Springfield Illinois. BFN Jim Compiling...Linking...Dialing Copyright Lawyer... j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
That is good news. I actually had a girlfriend who, thought not of the same religious persuasion, used to have those beliefs or very similar ones. Of course she does seem to have calmed down in that area lately. But she would have done the same things when we were together had I given her the opportunity. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: "Nicol" To: "gamers" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom Hi all I am pleased to announce that my mom has at last agreed that shades of doom is ok for me to play. She has tried to forbid me for years to play sod as she felt its sheer violence. I will tell how it came to be that my mom has softened her view about sod. me and a friend of mine were having a pizza at a restaurant yesterday evening and we talked about games. I told this friend about the audio games I am playing, I described pipe2 to him in detail. and he told me about his games. He told me that he is currently playing mainstream games made for the pc. He once had the x box but it was too expensive. Each game on the x box costs 500 south african rand. But this friend told me about ashooting game that he bought himself for his pc, called unreal tournament where there is a lot of shooting involved. The game consist of different missions/tasks but the main objective is fighting. So I asked him whether his dad is ok with the game he is playing as he stays with his family and they are also Jehovah witnesses, he told me yes. So today I spoke to my mom about this friend's game, telling her his dad does not have a problem with him playhing it. and she told me that each person must decide according to his conscience. So I described shades of doom to my mom in the language of the man on the street. I told my mom that in shades of doom I do not kill people, I kill monsters similar to prehistoric monsters such as dinosaurs. I told her about the experiment that went wrong and that my mission is to collect wafers to shut down the experiment and to collect the wafers I have to kill creatures. She asked if there is blood in the sod game and I answered no. So eventually she agreed that its not harmfull to me. I will try to translate her words into English. "now I agree a game of erasing monsters is not that bad." So now I can freelly play shades of doom without anybody asking me what I am playing if they see the title on my screen. Because I share my flat with a couple, my mom's friends, and they care for me such as doing the cooking. So if they have any questions, I will just explain to them how I have explained to my mom and that its ok with her for me to play sod. Spoiler space And I can also now play sarah soon even though my mom and her friends hates magic games . so soon I can also now freely play sarah without them watching the screen due to the fact that phil will change the screen name to only sarah instead of sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry in his coming update. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon slayers games
well its not like we have the choice mate. However its why when anyone tries to get a computer I always say avoid package deals like the plague. I also think one should not pay for security. spybot sd avg, and spywareblaster are all the average jo needs, maybe if you are paranoid zone alarm, and a well adjusted router or other firewall. I also no longer will go for mother bumpkin's security. In other words the best aint always the best. saying that if nod32 was not so expensive like 60 for each system I'd get the smart security package. Even though I don't go for packaged stuff in general if I can get software packages with stuff I want for one lump price I am more likely to go with it rather than single software titles. On the subject of jaws, and other readers, I wouldn't buy it myself. if I needed something then I'd apply to a work agency or training org or something like that if I needed it for a spaciffic purpose. I wouldn't just grab it just because. In this reguard though unless you need to upgrade things all the time ie you are working then its no big issue. Compared to say a mac costing 1200 the pc can be got for about 600 and a laptop with base settings can be got for 1000 bucks. As supposed to what it used to cost. And as long as you could have a tech to load the packages for you then fine. I don't aggree with the fact that you should have all the limits on licences for updates, etc which is why I use avg. Now going back to your message if you want to find avg at a shop then you are probably out of luck. There are security updates for all oses, saying systems are more secure is a myth, no os is fully secure. while its true macs get less updates than windows they do. There are viruses that can effect macs and linux to. Also right now I aggree with you in principal but all things right now are geared to windows, all or most things run on windows. If you get something its in windows. If you just want linux then live in india! This is not being racest or anything, in india linux is the main os aparently says one of my friends. I know what you mean though. I manage several machines. 3 at home, a laptop, and 2 desktops here and one system that is remotely managed. Ie I have to either go to it or have it brought here. So its not like I could rely on payed for software. On that note not all is lost. Its possible without cracking, pirating, etc to have a reasonable pc existance. though you still will have to get windows ofcause ms is starting to use the open xml format and also odf support is in the latest office service pack. Some places have started using openoffice. Linux while still a programmer's and server admin's system is getting more usable, not as usable as its windows counterpart but its getting better. I should also mention the down side to going totally opensource however. There is no official tech support. I know that I pay for my stuff and or its got for me, reguardless I know that I will get some free or all free support, I have payed for said software and therefore the company needs to or rather has to previde support, free or otherwise and service. In opensource if something really goes then you are on your own. On that note when or if you buy a package who says you need to use their stuff. When ever I get a packaged system, ie a laptop or something, I always reformat. even if it works, I reformat. I then don't install or remove is recovery cds use it all stuff I don't need or want. issue solved. ie my laptop came with norton security 2006 I did not install it I did not use it! And it came with other config things. I got rid of everything I didn't want and thats all. True I'd have liked to not have those at all but beggers can't be choosers. On that note you can always try to bargin, ie ask them what all the stuff came with. You could ask if you could just not get all the stuff you didn't want or if you could substatute stuff with other stuff. or if you could just remove that stuff and get a cheaper price. They can always say no but mostly they actually will respect what the consumer wants. There however are places for package deals. ie, the novis user that has no idea should get a package deal. I encourage the first system anyone gets unless he knows what he wants to be a package deal. as you get used to the net you can customise things. all systems up till the stuff we got in 2001 were package deals. in 2003 we got our first customised system and in 2008 last year we got our second. next year I plan to upgrade the other 2003 system with another customised system. its taken me the last few years from 1997 till now to find out what config I like, the level of security I want and the fact I don't want to change my config every 2 seconds and that it works well for me. My security config may be a bit on the low side but I have stuff that even at full level if I choose to use it I won't have to touch or anything. all updates are free, or almost so, and there
Re: [Audyssey] dragon slayers games
as an add on to your message I aggree with you in that reguard to. also people have said enough is enough. Currently its called lets crack the software. Seriously though josh I don't think there are enough of us to actually make a difference. I aggree with every point you just put up so do others. there are opensource things all the time but cash needs to be earned and all that. and there are disadvantages to totally free things to since it always ends up in more cash. yes we would do if we did not have viruses in general. And mostly the security software has to guard against the dumb consumer like most non computer savi are. I do admit though that people can be to restrictive sometimes. and some prices can be a bit successive. Hmm would be good if everything came accessible out the box wouldn't it. as I said before there is not enough of us to actually push the bounderies. As I said, you can get stuff alegally so psudo free for you. However to actually get this done ie have it actually legal and all that we would need everyone like half the world or something to shift over to a particular thing and force the big corps to change. Its not happened yet, it may do at some stage soon but not yet. And ofcause there are businesses that mostly get this stuff right now, the average jo was probably an afterthought to. Sad isn't it? At 01:16 a.m. 19/09/2009, you wrote: >Hi thomas, > >Is it possible that there is some kind of conspiracy goingon with copyright >laws that gives companies godLike control over their so-called intellectual >property? I went to hp's site the other day and read about their computers. It >says they got windows genuine advantage, norton security norton anti-virus, >antispyware all this stuff on them. Sure the computers gotta have fast >processors, because you're using a lot of that power to make up for the >slowing-down that antivirus and other such software does. When will the >average consumer learn that Mac and Linux are more secure? And also google >Chrome OS running on Linux rumored to be being created for release sometime >next year? When will the consumer get tired of the krap, the $1200 for Jaws >and Window-eyes and say, I've had it? As soon as I can I'm getting a MacBook >putting windows xp on it and will only use windows for games that's really >about it. Otherwise I'll use the Mac OS. You know after a fresh install of >windows xp things load lots faster? then put your antivirus and antispyware and securitty software on there and things run half or less than half as fast because everything's being scanned. But if you remove the security software you risk a total breakdown. When will the consumers learn macs and Linux are better? I'm not talking about whether one chooses the command line or the gui that's notthe issue. The issue is the OS viruses and security. If we wouldn't have to worry about that games would... >run faster >load faster >not crash with errors or if they did hardly ever if at all. > >I agree that programmers gotta make money. But in my opinion putting such >tight restrictions and making such tight tight tight copyright laws actually >stifles an artists creativity. That's what you game programmers are part >artist, computer scientist, and programmer writing commands to tell the >computer what to do. And your creativity as an artist is being stifled by very >restrictive copyright laws and its sighted people too. when will the consumers >get a clue, wake up, and say I've had it! I'm not putting up with thiss >anymore! Some arre doing it, but very few, serotek and mozilla and Ubuntu. Why >so many choices with screen readers? because they don't all do the same thing. >Now what if ms built a powerful screen reader rightinto windows itself? A >screen reader that combined the strengths of all our current windows screen >readers and our favorite voices? We need accessibility built-in, not as an >afterthought and bolted on-top. > >Josh > >download Klango, its free at www.klango.net >download Vinux at www.vinux.org.uk >my twitter is: www.twitter.com/jkenn337 >--- >Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding
Re: [Audyssey] dragonSlayers games
I wish that was what everyone wanted. Though some are just greedy and only think in dollar values. At 01:44 a.m. 19/09/2009, you wrote: >Hi Thomas, > >And for me it is the love of the idea I have for the game that I am developing >and the wanting to play it. Pretty sure that I would want to hang it up if >say I was tied into producing games that I was not really in love with. So >for me playing the finished game and the fun of figuring out the code is the >fun of it all. Of course it has been very very rewarding hearing from those >who enjoy the games for all these years. > >TGIF and BFN > >Jim > >I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it. > >j...@kitchensinc.net >http://www.kitchensinc.net >(440) 286-6920 >Chardon Ohio USA >--- >Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Consumers and alternatives was dragon slayers games
well once linux becomes as usable as windows, ie you don't have to think of extras to load and it becomes as easy as windows maybe. no idea why mac is not noticed more. At 07:58 a.m. 19/09/2009, you wrote: >Hi, Josh. > >Josh wrote: >When will the average consumer learn that Mac and Linux are more secure? > >My response: >That's a good question, and one I can't answer. I need a crystal ball for that >one. > >Although, I can say this. In my years working with the public, trouble >shooting their computers, etc I generally find security isn't often at the top >of their list of requirements. The average John and Jane out there only care >about being able to send and exchange e-mails with their friends and family, >do some instant messenging, browse the net for that special recipe, play a few >games, and maybe a few other odd tasks. They usually don't worry about system >security, or know how to make their computers more safe and secure. > >I've met plenty of people who don't even update their anti-virus software >regularly, because they were never told they needed too. They just assumed >since it was installed and running they were safe. I've met several people who >run XP as administrator even though Microsoft warns end users not to do it on >a regular basis. Most people do it unaware or holy innocent of the damage that >could happen as a result of running as administrator. Bottom line, your >average consumer really doesn't understand computer security well, and >regardless of the operating system being used half of the problem is the >operator's own knowledge about how to secure his/her computer effectively. > >For example, you say that Mac and Linux is more secure than Windows. Generally >speaking that is absolutely true, but it isn't invincible. I >can think of several ways in which a poor operator can weaken the operating >system's security without even thinking about it such as using weak passwords, >logging on as root, forgetting to password protect his or her system, enabling >automatic login on startup, and so on. These are all common problems we techs >see on Mac, Linux, and Windows and our average consumers have picked up some >rather bad security habits and practices that carry over from operating system >to operating system. Bad operator equals bad security too. > >Here is a simple example. A couple years ago my wife and I did some house >sitting for her parents, and she decided she wanted to browse the internet. >When she started her dad's computer up it was password protected. Well, seeing >as her dad is a minister we decided to try the obvious. We typed Jesus into >the password box, and sure enough we logged right on. Point being if we could >crack it with one guess his password was far too simple, easy, and was very >weak. People do stupid stuff like that all the time holy unaware of how easy >their security can be compromised by a determined hacker, or a lucky guess as >was our case. > >Josh wrote: >You know after a fresh install of windows xp things load lots faster? then put >your anti-virus and anti-spyware and security software >on there and things run half or less than half as fast because every thing's >being scanned. But if you remove the security software you risk a total >breakdown. > >My response: >Yes, I know that. That is one of my major gripes with Windows. As long as you >don't plan to use Windows for the internet you don't need as much security >software, but the average user does thus they need the entire range of >security software. I know as well as anyone having a screen reader, anti-virus >program, spam blockers, firewall, etc all running in the background eats into >memory and CPU performance. > >Josh wrote: >When will the consumer get tired of the crap, the $1200 for Jaws and >Window-eyes and >say, I've had it? > >My response: >Well, there is more to it than just security or the cost of the software to >consider here. Most of it comes down to availability and compatibility issues. >Most of the people in the world use Windows, own Windows, so most of the >hardware and software out there is designed for Windows. Most programmers are >taught to program for Windows, most technical manuals and guides are for >Windows, and the list goes on and on. Converting the consumer base over to >something else like Mac OS or Linux is a massive undertaking that can't be >done over night if at all. > >First of all, you have this huge catalog of Windows software that includes >things like games, financial programs, imaging software, you name it that >won't run on anything else but Windows computers. So assuming user x decides >to install and run Linux the first major problem he/she will have is trying to >locate software that compares to what he/she already owns and likes. Speaking >from experience it is hard to find something that really compares to Sound >Forge, Adobe Photo Shop, the DirectX API, Quicken, etc. Sure their is >Audacity,
Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
well I have a religious christian uncle that I talk about games. entombed does sound a bit evil. Though I talked of that in the dnd style of stuff. I have a friend heavily into this religious thing that played dnd and so I understand this type which is what entombed is like. At 10:34 a.m. 19/09/2009, you wrote: >Hi all >I am pleased to announce that my mom has at last agreed that shades of doom >is ok for me to play. >She has tried to forbid me for years to play sod as she felt its sheer >violence. >I will tell how it came to be that my mom has softened her view about sod. >me and a friend of mine were having a pizza at a restaurant yesterday >evening and we talked about games. >I told this friend about the audio games I am playing, I described pipe2 to >him in detail. and he told me about his games. >He told me that he is currently playing mainstream games made for the pc. >He once had the x box but it was too expensive. >Each game on the x box costs 500 south african rand. >But this friend told me about ashooting game that he bought himself for his >pc, called unreal tournament where there is a lot of shooting involved. > The game consist of different missions/tasks but the main objective is >fighting. >So I asked him whether his dad is ok with the game he is playing as he stays >with his family and they are also Jehovah witnesses, he told me yes. >So today I spoke to my mom about this friend's game, telling her his dad >does not have a problem with him playhing it. and she told me that each >person must decide according to his conscience. >So I described shades of doom to my mom in the language of the man on the >street. >I told my mom that in shades of doom I do not kill people, I kill monsters >similar to prehistoric monsters such as dinosaurs. >I told her about the experiment that went wrong and that my mission is to >collect wafers to shut down the experiment and to collect the wafers I have >to kill creatures. >She asked if there is blood in the sod game and I answered no. >So eventually she agreed that its not harmfull to me. >I will try to translate her words into English. >"now I agree a game of erasing monsters is not that bad." >So now I can freelly play shades of doom without anybody asking me what I am >playing if they see the title on my screen. >Because I share my flat with a couple, my mom's friends, and they care for >me such as doing the cooking. >So if they have any questions, I will just explain to them how I have >explained to my mom and that its ok with her for me to play sod. >Spoiler >space >And I can also now play sarah soon even though my mom and her friends hates >magic games . so soon I can also now freely play sarah without them watching >the screen due to the fact that phil will change the screen name to only >sarah instead of sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry in his >coming update. > > >--- >Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
If you are not a Jehovah's Witness, and you are an adult, your wish should be your command, so to speak, as long as there is no harm in your choices, particularly when it comes to playing computer games. The fact that you can now play SOD is very good news. Stop repeat offenders! Don't reelect them! - Original Message - From: "Nicol" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom I am 31. My mom never think that I am a child, its because she is a Jehovah witness. It all goes about religion, certain games like violence and magic is forbidden for the Jehovah witnesses and my mom tried for many years to force me into the Jehovah witness religion. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]on Behalf Of Allison Mervis Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:37 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom UmThat's great, but how old are you? Allison --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
Hello there, I came into this thread a bit late...so I had to go back and read alot of old messages to get the feel for what is going on here. My experience to some of what is being discussed goes like this: I used to live with a girlfriend in my house. I also played shades of doom. she is a born again christian as am I. she was a bit miffed I was playing this shooting game. here is how I settled the matter. As I am totally blind..I turned my monitor off. even if she walks by my open door, she will not know what I am doing. as many of these games are very specific about what direction a sound comes at you from, I got a very nice pair of headphones to wear when I play any game. so once again, even when she is standing in my room talking to me..she has no idea what I am doing unless I have the volume on the head phones turned way up high. I consider this leveling the playfield. when she is on her computer I have no idea what she is doing as she turns her speakers off. I can't see or hear what she is doing and she can't see or hear what I am doing. No problem here...grin. religion and computer games can co-exist. Robert --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon slayers games
Hi Shaun, Shaun wrote: Linux while still a programmer's and server admin's system is getting more usable, not as usable as its windows counterpart but its getting better. My response: I might add here that a lot depends on what distribution of Linux a person decides to use. Some distributions like Ubuntu are very user friendly, pretty decent, and other's like Rock Linux are pretty crappy. One of the major problems new Linux users have is that they don't know which Linux distributions are good, user friendly, have technical support, etc and which ones are geekware. Ubuntu is a very good commercial release of Linux where something like Rock Linux is a complete do it yourself operating system. Shaun wrote: There is no official tech support. My response: Again this totally depends on the Linux developer in question. Most of the major distributions like Ubuntu, Suse, Mandriva, etc offer tech support services. It is the small one man bands like Rock Linux that don't offer much in the way of documentation or technical support. In addition to paid tech support some distributions like Ubuntu have a wiki, downloadable manuals, mailing lists, and so on. So a person isn't totally left hanging in the wind. You just need to know where to find the help you are looking for. Shaun wrote: Compared to say a mac costing 1200 the pc can be got for about 600 and a laptop with base settings can be got for 1000 bucks. My response: Actually I picked up a Compaq laptop, brand new, over a year ago for under 600 here in the U.SA. so Windows laptops are practically dirt cheap now days. That said, there is a reason Mac's are so expensive. As I pointed out to Josh off list Mac's generally use top of the line hardware. The combo of quality hardware and software is one of the reasons Mac's out perform Windows PCs. However, the cost of a Mac verses a Windows PC is another reason people don't buy them. If it costs too much they won't or can't pay for it. Shaun wrote: If you just want linux then live in india! This is not being racest or anything, in india linux is the main os apparently says one of my friends. My response: That's correct. Linux has become quite popular in India as well as several other low income areas of the world. The reason for this is rather obvious. Since Microsoft only deals in American dollars the price of their flagship products like Office, Windows, MS Money, you name it is prohibitively expensive to own and operate in those countries. One person told me if he were to go out and buy Windows XP on his own based on his wages it would cost him an entire years income to purchase it. That's absolutely an unacceptable price for a piece of software. Therefore Linux is his only real option unless he is willing to crack Windows and use it illegally. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom
Hi Nicol, I know exactly what it feels like to have an overbearing mother/ family. That control issue gets even worse when there is a handicap involved. I commend you on handaling such a situation with careful consideration. I would have flown off the handle but you sound like you really handled yourself with a mature yet respectful attitude. I'm impressed and thank you for sharing that. al - Original Message - From: "Nicol" To: "gamers" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: [Audyssey] good news: shades of doom Hi all I am pleased to announce that my mom has at last agreed that shades of doom is ok for me to play. She has tried to forbid me for years to play sod as she felt its sheer violence. I will tell how it came to be that my mom has softened her view about sod. me and a friend of mine were having a pizza at a restaurant yesterday evening and we talked about games. I told this friend about the audio games I am playing, I described pipe2 to him in detail. and he told me about his games. He told me that he is currently playing mainstream games made for the pc. He once had the x box but it was too expensive. Each game on the x box costs 500 south african rand. But this friend told me about ashooting game that he bought himself for his pc, called unreal tournament where there is a lot of shooting involved. The game consist of different missions/tasks but the main objective is fighting. So I asked him whether his dad is ok with the game he is playing as he stays with his family and they are also Jehovah witnesses, he told me yes. So today I spoke to my mom about this friend's game, telling her his dad does not have a problem with him playhing it. and she told me that each person must decide according to his conscience. So I described shades of doom to my mom in the language of the man on the street. I told my mom that in shades of doom I do not kill people, I kill monsters similar to prehistoric monsters such as dinosaurs. I told her about the experiment that went wrong and that my mission is to collect wafers to shut down the experiment and to collect the wafers I have to kill creatures. She asked if there is blood in the sod game and I answered no. So eventually she agreed that its not harmfull to me. I will try to translate her words into English. "now I agree a game of erasing monsters is not that bad." So now I can freelly play shades of doom without anybody asking me what I am playing if they see the title on my screen. Because I share my flat with a couple, my mom's friends, and they care for me such as doing the cooking. So if they have any questions, I will just explain to them how I have explained to my mom and that its ok with her for me to play sod. Spoiler space And I can also now play sarah soon even though my mom and her friends hates magic games . so soon I can also now freely play sarah without them watching the screen due to the fact that phil will change the screen name to only sarah instead of sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry in his coming update. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
