Re: [gecko]Shipping with DHL
Hi Ulli and Julie, Thanks for the info! I usually ship with UPS, but a customer has a DHL account that he wants me to use. It's OK with me if it's good for the geckos ;-) Melody Ulrike und Jan Anders wrote: Hi Melody, I can only speak for Germany, and there they are only reliable when you choose an express mail for at least about 20,- EUR. It is not allowed to send living animals by post, which is DHL here, by the way. If I could not avoid sending animals, I would look for a company specialized in that, in Germany for example carecourier (see topic Versand von Tieren on http://www.ig-phelsuma.de/board/viewtopic.php?t=840). Good luck, Ulli Melody Hartley wrote: Hi all, Does anyone ship with DHL? Are they reliable? Thanks, Melody -- HeartSong Crystals www.heartsongcrystals.com HeartSong Turtle Sanctuary http://home.netcom.com/~mhartley/ ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]Shipping with DHL
Hi all, Does anyone ship with DHL? Are they reliable? Thanks, Melody -- HeartSong Crystals www.heartsongcrystals.com HeartSong Turtle Sanctuary http://home.netcom.com/~mhartley/ ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Shipping with DHL
They used to be Airborne who did a very mediocre job for me for years. UPS is much, much better. Many folks like FEDEX but I have no experience with them. Read more about this issue on Allen Repashy's website here: http://www.forums.repashy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=62 Julie B. Melody Hartley wrote: Hi all, Does anyone ship with DHL? Are they reliable? Thanks, Melody ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Shipping to hawaii
I managed to return with a few eggs last time we visited the islands and had sucessful hatches. Man beautiful animals. They have a ton of them in Kona on the Big Island. -Original Message- From: Julie Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 5, 2005 7:57 PM To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Subject: Re: [gecko]Shipping to hawaii Hi Melody, That is an easy one, no! The government there stopped this several years back due to extensive problems with invasive species and the illegal pet trade. I did find out you can get a one time permit to ship 4 P. laticauda back to the mainland! A buddy just did this. Julie B. Melody Hartley wrote: Hi all, Is it legal to ship day geckos to Hawaii? Thanks, Melody ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Shipping to hawaii
Thanks again Julie!! You are such a font of helpful info!! Julie Bergman wrote: Hi Melody, That is an easy one, no! The government there stopped this several years back due to extensive problems with invasive species and the illegal pet trade. I did find out you can get a one time permit to ship 4 P. laticauda back to the mainland! A buddy just did this. Julie B. Melody Hartley wrote: Hi all, Is it legal to ship day geckos to Hawaii? Thanks, Melody ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]Shipping to hawaii
Hi all, Is it legal to ship day geckos to Hawaii? Thanks, Melody ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Shipping costs
Hi Melody, Sometimes US Postal will work in a pinch. I finally had to raise my shipping rates too using UPS. I use Superior Enterprise's 12x9x6 box whenever I can now, used to always use the 15x11x7. http://www.superiorenterprise.com/boxes.html Use a small box and send anything that is not a gecko through the regular mail! Fedex does not take gex. Fedex ain't gexex! ;) Julie B. Melody Hartley wrote: Hi all, I haven't shipped for a while and I knew costs had gone up, but I still have sticker shock! Anyone have any suggestions for reducing costs? I usually do UPS overight, but it looks like they want to charge by the size of the box now. Anyone use FedEx? If so, how are they? Thanks, Melody ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]shipping
I really appreciate the time Leann, Greg, and Julie took to give us such a thorough discussion on shipping complete with the sources for their recommended products! Leann---Which shipping containers do you prefer when buying boxes from Thermosafe to give you that EXTRA measure of safety? For those folks interested in extremely good insulation and constructing their own shipping boxes, there is a product which comes in sheets (like styrofoam) at stores like Home Depot called Insulfoam which has an R factor of about 5.3. This can be cut into custom sheets to line any cardboard box! Elizabeth
Re: [gecko]shipping
Hi Preston, What do you mean, how do you get them ready for the trip by making sure they are in good body condition, or how you pack a box? If it is how you pack them and put them in a box, check the archives first. This is a subject that is very complicated. I am happy to go over it again if you can't get what you need from the archives. Julie Bergman http://www.geckoranch.com Preston Weintraub wrote: I will be shipping an animal from Texas to Washington State. How do I prepare the animal, an R. auriculatus, to survive the trip? Preston ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Shipping
Hi Leann, Are you working with your local UPS rep? That is the person who gets everything done for me. To try and call UPS and get an account started with a rep's help would be very, very hard. It is surprising your old rep did not take care of this for you. Julie B. Leann Christenson wrote: I just talked with Airborne yesterday. They definitely don't want anyone (even people with a turtle account) to ship lizards. Apparently they are doing a crackdown as a large snake recently escaped in one of the mail hubs. FedEx is also a no. UPS is not being easy about me starting a new account in our new homestate -- three weeks and counting to get them to write up a contact allowing me to ship geckos. I am on pins and needs waiting for them. Our options are slimming. Leann - Original Message - From: "Melody Hartley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [gecko]Shipping Thanks Julie and Nathan for the info. Do you know if I can set up an account on their website, or do I need to call them? I have an Airborne account because they will take turtles, and UPS didn't used to -- I don't know about now. Melody -- HeartSong Sanctuary - Asian turtles, day geckos, and frogs http://home.netcom.com/~mhartley/ ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Shipping
Julie--- Many thanks for commenting further on this "shipping" thread. The more feedback we have from gecko shippers, the more success we can all have. Does the single 1/8" hole you use go through the sides of both the styrofoam and the cardboard at the SAME place? I've been using a single hole in the center of one side of the styrofoam box ONLY. What size are your standard Superior Enterprise boxes? How thick is the styrofoam? I've yet to make my own boxes, but may have posted earlier about these Insulfoam styro sheets you can buy at Home Depot with an R factor of about 5.3 which is really recommended for superior insulation, both hot and cold. Then you cut to fit your cardboard boxes. Even though the 40 hr heat packs say they'll spike at 130-140 F for a few hours I've never found that to be true in the tests I've run simulating the "boxed experience" one of my geckos would have if it were shipped with ambient temps in the mid to high 50s. I've recorded temps after 24 hours and after 36 hours under such circumstances. Perhaps the tests that report 130-140 F spikes are done in a coat pocket or between two pillows. A couple years ago I had a discussion with RLD owner Bob about such. In my experience both Pachydactylus tigrinus and Lepidodactylus lugubris which have experienced temps of 40s-50s and USPS Overnight Express Service (not next day delivery, but second day delivery) have mostly not survived the trip. :-[ The temps-in-transit have been recorded by an enclosed Radio Shack min-max digital thermometer. In Seattle there is a fellow at the SeaTac airport who is responsible for live animal shipments. I've been told that the pressurized belly of the plane where the geckos fly may or may not be heated always and that the pilot should be reminded that live animals requiring heat are aboard so he should turn on the heat. Elizabeth Subj: Re: [gecko]Shipping Date: 9/13/03 12:35:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Julie Bergman) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Leann folks, Been following this thread. Is Continental Airline's Quick Pack service an option for Birmingham? Stacy has used them in the past. In Seattle I have used USPS Overnight Express as recently as Memorial Day 2003 for sending geckos to Boston---though the USPS service is more limited than pre-9/11. I have never used UPS because they told me they do not provide any heat for their shipments. That was also my concern although my fatality list is very short with them. A fellow gecko shipper who works primary with Phelsuma told me it is quite warm on their cargo jets, about 70-80F. The getting on the plane, off the plane and motor vehicle transport to and from is the big worry. Just to note my UPS fatalities have been mostly due to high impact forces. It is as important to pack for temp as it is to pack for impact! I use 40 hr heat packs I use 60s due to the high heat spike in the 40s. The 60s are more stable at about 100F and the RLDs I have about three days of heat output. in styro insulated cardboard shipping containers with regular styro peanuts (never the peanuts which dissolve), extremely limited holes for ventilation--usually a single 1/8"-1/4" hole I use one 1/8" hole on the side of the box, which is never allowed to directly vent on the gex. in styro box only taping--if necessary--all corner holes where the cardboard does not meet very well at the corners, and only ship during certain months of the year. In my Superior Enterprises boxes there is one seam I tape except during hot parts of the year. In pre-shipping tests I have found that my heat packs only add 10-15 degrees at most to the ambient room temperature. The 40 hours will spike up to as high as 130-140F for a few hours then drop quickly. My Pachydactylus tigrinus and Lepidodactylus lugubris do not consistently survive when the temps they experience during shipping fall much below 60 F. I ship leopards all the time at temps from 30-90F with virtually no problems. I have not had any problems with P. tigrinus shipping in that range, no experience with L lugubris. Phelsuma I like to ship in temps of 50-80F. Julie B.
Re: [gecko]Shipping
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julie--- Many thanks for commenting further on this "shipping" thread. The more feedback we have from gecko shippers, the more success we can all have. Indeed! Does the single 1/8" hole you use go through the sides of both the styrofoam and the cardboard at the SAME place? Just one hole, one vertical side (on an end). I've been using a single hole in the center of one side of the styrofoam box ONLY. What size are your standard Superior Enterprise boxes? How thick is the styrofoam? I've yet to make my own boxes, but may have posted earlier about these Insulfoam styro sheets you can buy at Home Depot with an R factor of about 5.3 which is really recommended for superior insulation, both hot and cold. Then you cut to fit your cardboard boxes. Check out the Superior Enterprise boxes here: http://www.superiorenterprise.com/boxes.html I use the 15x11x7s most of the time. If it is too cold for these boxes it is too cold to ship, again IMHO. Cost is very reasonable. Even though the 40 hr heat packs say they'll spike at 130-140 F for a few hours I've never found that to be true in the tests I've run simulating the "boxed experience" one of my geckos would have if it were shipped with ambient temps in the mid to high 50s. I've recorded temps after 24 hours and after 36 hours under such circumstances. Perhaps the tests that report 130-140 F spikes are done in a coat pocket or between two pillows. It all would depend on the positioning of the heat pack. If I want the heat pack to last and be lower temp I'll tape it fairly tightly to the top lid. The looser the more oxygen gets to it producing the higher temps. You can also effectively reduce the size of the heated area, increasing temps, by "sealing off" the bottom part of the box (I use bubble wrap), leaving only a part of the box to be heated. These second day shipments may have run out of heat as the 40hrs fizzle out pretty fast on the second day. I'd go 60 hours only in that circumstance. I pretty much only use 60hrs as it is, you never know when your gex are going to be delayed. Packing materials are important here too, styro popcorn retains heat a lot better than newspaper. A couple years ago I had a discussion with RLD owner Bob about such. In my experience both Pachydactylus tigrinus and Lepidodactylus lugubris which have experienced temps of 40s-50s and USPS Overnight Express Service (not next day delivery, but second day delivery) have mostly not survived the trip. :-[ That service is too compromised because of this circumstance IHMO. The temps-in-transit have been recorded by an enclosed Radio Shack min-max digital thermometer. I have run my own tests and have produced the high temp spikes with the 40hr RLD packs. Their 60hrs are as solid as a rock at about 100F for about three days. Everyone should test their heat packs so they can get the right combo with their packing style. In Seattle there is a fellow at the SeaTac airport who is responsible for live animal shipments. I've been told that the pressurized belly of the plane where the geckos fly may or may not be heated always and that the pilot should be reminded that live animals requiring heat are aboard so he should turn on the heat. Reminded? By whom? I would not count on this at all. If the gex are packed in a standard shipping container like I think they are they should be fairly well insulated anyway. After two years of shipping with UPS I do not feel heat/lack of heat on airplanes is a danger granted you have packed them well. Julie B.
Re: [gecko]Shipping
Lisa and all, I had an account with them and let it go inactive because UPS was such a better deal. Unless you are dealing with a very expensive shipment it will not be worth it to set up an account with them. They require a facility inspection and a minimum amount of shipments to keep your account. If you did not have an account with them prior to 9/11/01 you will likely have a hard time establishing yourself. You can try though, go for it and let us know what they say! Julie B. ljjh wrote: Has anyone ever used Delta Dash for geckos? I have used them for tortoises and it ended up being cheaper than Airborne Express, they spent much less time in transit too. Lisa
Re: [gecko]Shipping
In a message dated 9/13/2003 4:58:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had an account with them and let it go inactive because UPS was such a better deal. Unless you are dealing with a very expensive shipment it will not be worth it to set up an account with them. They require a facility inspection and a minimum amount of shipments to keep your account. If you did not have an account with them prior to 9/11/01 you will likely have a hard time establishing yourself. You can try though, go for it and let us know what they say! Julie, To obtain my Continental Airlines account as a Known Shipper, a representative had to inspect my facility (my house-haha!!) and my animals, although, there is no minimum number of shipments required. Also, at the time I acquired my Known Shipper status, there was no charge to do so. If I remember correctly, all of the other airlines had a fee to get an account some of which were over $100 (sometimes with an additional fee for the representative's travel to your facility) and may have further requirements, too. Continental Airlines also has a hub here which, therefore, offered more direct flights than other airlines. It certainly is nice to have them as a back up and for the more expensive or larger shipments---it's the same price for 1 to 50 pounds! Stacy
Re: [gecko]Shipping ...UPS
Yes, folks--- Yes...indeed! In a message dated 9/13/03 1:59:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for getting an account with UPS, it took me a few phone calls and actually connecting with a representative who knew their policies. If you are having trouble convincing the UPS employees in your area (at the distribution center) that geckos can be shipped, I suggest you show them the article about Jon Boone (UPS and geckos!) in People magazine!! I mean, what more proof do they need? ;-) [Elizabeth's boldface type!] Stacy Elizabeth Seattle l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert robert hubert 15 yo r.i.p. r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]Shipping...maximizing heat pack output
Julie I am interested in replicatiing your heat pack tests. How have you run your tests? Taping the heat packs to the tops of the boxes? I have always heard that heat rises, so if we want to heat a box, why not tape it to the bottom of the box? Seriously? I am wondering here whether it is my heat packs, because of what I've done, and/or how I position the heat pack in my overnight shipments. Seriously I usually place the 40 hour heat pack right between the two 16 oz deli cups which are packed with paper towel strips (sometimes moistened) to cushion the animals on their flight. Using a 16 oz deli cup allows the ~4" animals I ship room to thermoregulate. After my first couple shipments I always enclose a min-max to monitor the critters. In a message dated 9/13/03 1:58:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The temps-in-transit have been recorded by an enclosed Radio Shack min-max digital thermometer. I have run my own tests and have produced the high temp spikes with the 40hr RLD packs. Their 60hrs are as solid as a rock at about 100F for about three days. Everyone should test their heat packs so they can get the right combo with their packing style. In Seattle there is a fellow at the SeaTac airport who is responsible for live animal shipments. This person is a USPS employee. Elizabeth l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert robert hubert 15 yo r.i.p. r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
Re: [gecko]Shipping
They don't require you to have an account with them anymore. They have relaxed their restrictions somewhat since their reactions to 9/11. I just shipped two tortoise Delta Dash in June and I do not have an account with them. Lisa At 01:51 PM 9/13/2003 -0700, you wrote: Lisa and all, I had an account with them and let it go inactive because UPS was such a better deal. Unless you are dealing with a very expensive shipment it will not be worth it to set up an account with them. They require a facility inspection and a minimum amount of shipments to keep your account. If you did not have an account with them prior to 9/11/01 you will likely have a hard time establishing yourself. You can try though, go for it and let us know what they say! Julie B. ljjh wrote: Has anyone ever used Delta Dash for geckos? I have used them for tortoises and it ended up being cheaper than Airborne Express, they spent much less time in transit too. Lisa
Re: [gecko]Shipping
I think this all depends on who is working the counter at Delta. Shades of UPS! Julie B. ljjh wrote: They don't require you to have an account with them anymore. They have relaxed their restrictions somewhat since their reactions to 9/11. I just shipped two tortoise Delta Dash in June and I do not have an account with them. Lisa At 01:51 PM 9/13/2003 -0700, you wrote: Lisa and all, I had an account with them and let it go inactive because UPS was such a better deal. Unless you are dealing with a very expensive shipment it will not be worth it to set up an account with them. They require a facility inspection and a minimum amount of shipments to keep your account. If you did not have an account with them prior to 9/11/01 you will likely have a hard time establishing yourself. You can try though, go for it and let us know what they say! Julie B. ljjh wrote: Has anyone ever used Delta Dash for geckos? I have used them for tortoises and it ended up being cheaper than Airborne Express, they spent much less time in transit too. Lisa
Re: [gecko]Shipping
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/13/2003 3:12:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is Continental Airline's Quick Pack service an option for Birmingham? Stacy has used them in the past. Leann and all, I have an account with UPS and with Continental Airlines for Quick Pak shipping. I probably use UPS most frequently, but I still use USPS when I can arrange good flight connections. I rarely have to use Continental, although, I when I do, they are wonderful to work with. (For what it's worth, you can also ship via Delta, SW, Not from Sacramento, I checked. American, and a few other airlines.) In my opinion, the most important factor when shipping is having a good working relationship with the employee(s) for each respective carrier. When shipping via USPS, I make arrangements directly with the Supervisor of Express Mail at our airport post office. As a reaction to 9-11-01, our USPS closed their airport office to the public at Sacramento. That would be really great if they reversed this decision, it would save $ on shipping and make USPS a good alternate shipper in my case. I'll have to check this situation out again. I also ship out from our airport post facility---which is about a 30 minute drive, but well worth it. If at all possible, I ask my customer to "pick up" the "held" package at an airport or main post office to avoid any unnecessary truck transportation. Believe it or not, out of the last 9 packages I shipped out via USPS, 8 of them arrived at the airport/main post office the same day as I shipped and were available for "pick up". All of these packages were dropped off at my airport PO early in the morning and were available for "pick up" in the late afternoon or early evening of the same day! If this can't be arranged, the package usually arrives to its destination the next day..making it an overnight delivery. That is really cool! As for getting an account with UPS, it took me a few phone calls and actually connecting with a representative who knew their policies. If you are having trouble convincing the UPS employees in your area (at the distribution center) that geckos can be shipped, I suggest you show them the article about Jon Boone (UPS and geckos!) in People magazine!! I mean, what more proof do they need? ;-) Stacy LOL! Julie B.
Re: [gecko]Shipping
This is from Delta's web site http://www.delta.com/travel/trav_serv/pet_travel/pet_cargo/index.jsp Types of Animals We ship most types of animals and reptiles. However, live snakes or venomous reptile shipments will only be accepted from approved shippers. We will not ship any primates including: lemurs, monkeys, orangutans, gorillas, and chimpanzees Reptile Containers Note: Reptiles are only accepted as air cargo, not as carry-on or checked baggage. Reptiles, other than snakes, need to be placed in a container constructed of wood, plastic or corrugated material. For flight purposes, animals in this category include: caiman chameleons frogs geckos iguanas lizards newts salamanders toads Safety and security concerns for Delta personnel and customers prevent removal of live snake shipments from shipping containers. At 03:28 PM 9/13/2003 -0700, you wrote: I think this all depends on who is working the counter at Delta. Shades of UPS! Julie B. ljjh wrote: They don't require you to have an account with them anymore. They have relaxed their restrictions somewhat since their reactions to 9/11. I just shipped two tortoise Delta Dash in June and I do not have an account with them. Lisa At 01:51 PM 9/13/2003 -0700, you wrote: Lisa and all, I had an account with them and let it go inactive because UPS was such a better deal. Unless you are dealing with a very expensive shipment it will not be worth it to set up an account with them. They require a facility inspection and a minimum amount of shipments to keep your account. If you did not have an account with them prior to 9/11/01 you will likely have a hard time establishing yourself. You can try though, go for it and let us know what they say! Julie B. ljjh wrote: Has anyone ever used Delta Dash for geckos? I have used them for tortoises and it ended up being cheaper than Airborne Express, they spent much less time in transit too. Lisa
Re: [gecko]Shipping
I just talked with Airborne yesterday. They definitely don't want anyone (even people with a turtle account) to ship lizards. Apparently they are doing a crackdown as a large snake recently escaped in one of the mail hubs. FedEx is also a no. UPS is not being easy about me starting a new account in our new homestate -- three weeks and counting to get them to write up a contact allowing me to ship geckos. I am on pins and needs waiting for them. Our options are slimming. Leann - Original Message - From: Melody Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [gecko]Shipping Thanks Julie and Nathan for the info. Do you know if I can set up an account on their website, or do I need to call them? I have an Airborne account because they will take turtles, and UPS didn't used to -- I don't know about now. Melody -- HeartSong Sanctuary - Asian turtles, day geckos, and frogs http://home.netcom.com/~mhartley/ ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Shipping
Hi all, Good news -- I just called USPS at the Portland Oregon airport, and they do take lizards as long as the animal is not over 20 long. You need to call first so USPS can make sure they have a plane going that can take them that day. And of course you need to take the package to the post office. But workable!! I have shipped with them a few times (next day delivery) and had good results. The only thing they did was misroute a package once, and it got there a day late, but then they refunded the shipping charge. The gex were fine, fortunately. But I did decide to use longer-term heat packs. Melody Leann Christenson wrote: I just talked with Airborne yesterday. They definitely don't want anyone (even people with a turtle account) to ship lizards. Apparently they are doing a crackdown as a large snake recently escaped in one of the mail hubs. FedEx is also a no. UPS is not being easy about me starting a new account in our new homestate -- three weeks and counting to get them to write up a contact allowing me to ship geckos. I am on pins and needs waiting for them. Our options are slimming. Leann - Original Message - From: Melody Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [gecko]Shipping Thanks Julie and Nathan for the info. Do you know if I can set up an account on their website, or do I need to call them? I have an Airborne account because they will take turtles, and UPS didn't used to -- I don't know about now. Melody -- HeartSong Sanctuary - Asian turtles, day geckos, and frogs http://home.netcom.com/~mhartley/ ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko -- HeartSong Sanctuary - Asian turtles, day geckos, and frogs http://home.netcom.com/~mhartley/ ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
[gecko]Shipping
Hi all, I haven't shipped for a while, and thought I'd check on the current state of affairs. USPS does not take reptiles at all any more? Is Airborne or UPS cheaper? Thanks, Melody -- HeartSong Sanctuary - Asian turtles, day geckos, and frogs http://home.netcom.com/~mhartley/ ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Shipping
I definitely agree with Julie. I have been using UPS for years, and their professionalism can't be beat. In order to ship geckos, you have to have an account with them. Nathan HallGECKOS UNLIMITED- Original Message - From: Julie Bergman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [gecko]Shipping I stopped using USPS after 9-11-01, so don't know about them. UPS is cheaper and certainly more reliable that Airborne.Julie B.Melody Hartley wrote:Hi all,I haven't shipped for a while, and thought I'd check on the currentstate of affairs. USPS does not take reptiles at all any more? IsAirborne or UPS cheaper?Thanks,Melody ___Global Gecko Associationhttp://www.gekkota.comClassifiedshttp://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgigecko mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]Shipping Geckos: Current Heat Packs, et cetera
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Julie, Just checking to see how you are packing your geckos now. Know that at least one batch of your heat packs from RLD did not perform. That was from Superior, I believe the RLDs have been good. * Have you gone back to him? to Superior Enterprises? RLD 60 hours. * Are you using only 60 hr HPs now for more even heat? That's the ticket! Also longer heat, these things stay warm for three days, a little warm on the fourth day. This is reassuring considering possibility of delays. I don't think UPS has had many significant delays for the last two years I have been using them though. What is your current source for cardboard and for styrofoam boxes? Superior Enterprise. Very cheap! Less than $4 per box if I remember right. Recently I heard about this stuff called Insulfoam (3/4") which has a R factor of over 5.0. One side is covered with aluminum foil. It's available at places like Home Depot. The fellow just cuts it to size, top, bottom, sides as a liner for all his boxes. He says 3/4" Insulfoam is far superior to the styrofoam we get in premade styro insulated boxes!!! I am looking for something better than the "premade" styrofoam boxes. I don't ship if it is going to be that cold! The Superior Enterprise boxes (you make them up, he sends you the components) are just fine in temps approx 30F with styro popcorn as packing material, a layer of bubble wrap on the bottom, then a layer of styro pops, then a layer of bubble wrap on the bottom of the deli cups with the gex in them. This makes the box "smaller" and keeps them warmer in cold conditions. In "transition" days from spring to summer I use both cool and heat packs. The small cool pack will melt by nightfall and the heat pack will keep them warm on a cool night's journey. It is mild here right now (low 80s) and I am using popcorn and no heat or cool packs since it is mild in my destinations and UPS hubs this week. During 85-90F streaks I use newspaper exclusively because it does not retain heat like the styro pops. I also put in a small cool pack for the journey out of the Sacramento-Ontario (next hub in SoCal for east coast shipments) area during 90F temps. I don't ship over 90F. So far so good, knock on wood (my head!) ;) Then there is the whole story about how I pack the guys in deli cups, each species is different, however, I could probably do a write-up about that soon. Julie Bergman http://www.geckoranch.com GGA lifetime member Elizabeth l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert robert hubert 14.75 yo r.i.p. r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
