Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evdev broken?
On Wednesday 20 Jul 2011 04:38:37 Francisco Ares wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-07-20, Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, All Recently, after blindingly emerging world, X11/Xorg stopped to accept mouse and keyboard events. After some ways to figure out what was going on, I found that it seems related to evdev. Anybody noticed something like that? The xorg-server package (or xorg-drivers, can't remember nor check now, because I had to use Windows :-( ) is being built with evdev flag, but there is an error in the :log : file about evdev could not be found, as long as dri and dri2. I am using nvidia proprietary video driver. You probably just need to re-emerge the xf86-input packages that you have installed. That happens after every update to the Xorg server, and there are probably messages in the portage log to that effect. -- Grant Thank you, gonna try it -- Francisco It worked. Thanks a lot!! Back to Gentoo / X11 again ;-) Every time after you emerge xorg you're meant to remerge its drivers (evdev being one of them). Usually there is some elog message telling you to run qfile to find what is need to be reinstalled: qlist -I -C x11-drivers/ -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evdev broken?
Mick wrote: Every time after you emerge xorg you're meant to remerge its drivers (evdev being one of them). Usually there is some elog message telling you to run qfile to find what is need to be reinstalled: qlist -I -C x11-drivers/ I think this works too: emerge -1av @x11-module-rebuild Correct me if I am wrong here. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] new notebook
On Tuesday 19 Jul 2011 21:47:38 Alan McKinnon wrote: Notebook renewal time has rolled around again, I've had the old one for 3 years now. Amazing how much can change in 3 years. I don't do notebook support so my knowledge is always out of date... I'm tending towards a Dell Precision M4600 partly because I've had 4 Dells in a row all troublefree but mostly because the company discount is a big number that can only be properly described as obscenely big I'd like to get some input from folks who might have used this hardware. Screens; a choice between 1920x1080 WLED 1920x1080 RGBLED IPS The IPS screen only comes with an NVIDIA Quadro 2000M with 2GB GDDR3, The regular screen comes with these choices of video card: AMD FirePro M5950 Mobility Pro with 1GB GDDR5 dedicated memory NVIDIA Quadro 1000M with 2GB GDDR3 dedicated memory NVIDIA Quadro 2000M with 2GB GDDR3 dedicated memory The price difference is substantial. Considering that my usage is nothing more stressful than KDE eye-candy and mplayer, is the IPS screen worth the extra price? OTOH the machine has VGA, HDMI and DisplayPort as well as internal screen and I believe the ATI can drive all 4 at the same time whereas the nVidia is pick any two. Up to 4 screens might be more useful than outright performance. I don't think it is. When I bought my XPS (a year and a half ago) the RGBLED screen was c. £150 on top of what was a rather expensive machine by my affordability standards. Perhaps it was an early version back then, but although it was claimed by those who bought it that the RGBLED has somewhat superior picture quality, it also had 2 more drawbacks besides the price: 1. You need to calibrate the monitor to get best picture and may need to repeat that every now and then. 2. It will suck your battery dry (much?) faster than the WLED. If you're always on mains then the latter may be less of a problem. A word of warning: the 1920x1080 resolution on a 16 monitor is *small*. Trying to read a typical website or even the content of my desktop menu would cause eye strain! Ha! Fantastic picture if you just want to watch videos in full 1080p HD, but if you are also thinking of productivity you may need to readjust your desktop settings to make reading comfortable. On e17 I had to change the Scaling setting to 80 DPI. A final note about Dell's build quality: This is meant to be a top of the range laptop. However, there are no substantial rubber stops to keep the screen surface away from the keyboard. Even with 3 additional self-adhesive rubber stops that I added, the keyboard is still touching and scratching the screen. For the sort of money I paid to buy it I would expect some more thought to have gone into the design and build of it. I guess all laptops these days are being churned out of some Chinese sweat shop, but for the money I expect a better product. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] xfce (window manager)
Dear All, I would like to ask the community anybody has experienced any problems regarding xfce? My problem is that after update the window decorators (window border, header the buttons on the left side [close, minimize, etc]) are missing. I'm sorry I'm not sure the window decorators definition is the proper for them. I've deleted my xfce settings to start a session with default settings without any success. Anybody has any idea or suggestion what should I do? Thanks in advance! András -- - - -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] Any way around Argument list too long?
Top-posting IMPORTANT NOTE ON TOP Do NOT create the file I mention below unless you WANT to risk deleting ALL your files. On Tuesday 19 July 2011 15:58:44 Florian Philipp wrote: The double dash will prevent mv from interpreting weird file names like -h as parameters. Just about every standard GNU tool supports this. Or worse, a file called -rf . If anyone wants to try what happens when rm * finds that file, please do so ONLY on a machine you want to wipe anyway... -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone got any older Portage snapshots kicking around?
On Saturday 16 July 2011 17:53:48 Stroller wrote: A bit of a long shot, this, but has anyone got any older Portage snapshots kicking around, by any chance? I have a box which hasn't been updated in 2 - 3 years. It would normally be easiest to format and reinstall, but in this case the box in question is a PS3 which was installed using the experimental PS3 stages which are (I think) no longer available. I'm pretty sure this machine has some PS3-specific hacks applied, so I think an attempt to upgrade the hard way is worthwhile. If it doesn't work I'll probably try Debian, or something. I have no illusions that attempting this *will* be a pain the ass, because in the past I've updated machines which have been ignored for 18 months, and that required lots of manually digging in the Portage CVS attic and copying files into the local overlay by hand. So if anyone has any Portage snapshots that are sufficiently old left lying around from an old install, it would save me that grunt work. Alternatively, if you, too, have a machine that hasn't been updated a long time, maybe you'll be able to help me by tarring up a copy of the Portage tree. Thanks for looking, Stroller. Stroller, If you are still looking, I have the following: portage-20100128.tar.bz2 portage-latest.tar.bz2 (dated Feb 23, 2010) portage-20090701.tar.bz2 (Find is still searching the rest of my system, but I think these are probably it. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] xfce (window manager)
Sometimes found re emerge xfce packages have helped with problems in particular xfce4-panel xfce4-session xfdesktop xfwm4 Jdm --Original Message-- From: András Csányi To: Gentoo ReplyTo: Gentoo Subject: [gentoo-user] xfce (window manager) Sent: 20 Jul 2011 09:49 Dear All, I would like to ask the community anybody has experienced any problems regarding xfce? My problem is that after update the window decorators (window border, header the buttons on the left side [close, minimize, etc]) are missing. I'm sorry I'm not sure the window decorators definition is the proper for them. I've deleted my xfce settings to start a session with default settings without any success. Anybody has any idea or suggestion what should I do? Thanks in advance! András -- - - -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2
Re: [gentoo-user] ulogd fails to start
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I emerged ulogd-2.0.0_beta4 and using the ulogd.conf that was installed by portage, it fails to start. I get this message in the log: Tue Jul 19 15:32:08 2011 8 ulogd.c:1179 not even a single working plugin stack Does anyone know what that's about? ULOG stuff is enabled in my kernel, and the plugins are on disk where the config file says. So I don't know what's wrong... Thanks, Paul What use flags did you use when installing this software? It seems that you didn't specify any plugins like mysql, pcap, postgres... Kfir
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't find reiser4 patch for kernel-2.6.39
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tuesday 19 July 2011 13:48:45 Bill Longman wrote: On 07/19/2011 07:43 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Tuesday 19 July 2011 12:39:09 Stroller wrote: On 19 July 2011, at 00:36, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Unless there is some family or intimate connection the rest of us are unaware of, there are no grounds for you to be offended on behalf of a convicted murderer. I am not offended because of a murderer. I am offended by your weak trolling. Somebody asks some raiser4 related questions and little trolls like you pop up and spout their crap. All the fucking time. Volker! This is the heart of the problem and you fail to see it. Stroller is *hardly* a troll but, as others have pointed out, you took his humor to be trolling. No one else did, so take another look. it is either trolling or tasteless. Does it become ok because it was a tasteless joke instead of an answer to a serious question? Sure; humor is subjective. People who 'get' the joke are welcome to dislike it, but it's still understood to be in jest, and not taken seriously. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone got any older Portage snapshots kicking around?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14040344/7-Oct-2010_portage.tar.bz2
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evdev broken?
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 20 Jul 2011 04:38:37 Francisco Ares wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-07-20, Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, All Recently, after blindingly emerging world, X11/Xorg stopped to accept mouse and keyboard events. After some ways to figure out what was going on, I found that it seems related to evdev. Anybody noticed something like that? The xorg-server package (or xorg-drivers, can't remember nor check now, because I had to use Windows :-( ) is being built with evdev flag, but there is an error in the :log : file about evdev could not be found, as long as dri and dri2. I am using nvidia proprietary video driver. You probably just need to re-emerge the xf86-input packages that you have installed. That happens after every update to the Xorg server, and there are probably messages in the portage log to that effect. -- Grant Thank you, gonna try it -- Francisco It worked. Thanks a lot!! Back to Gentoo / X11 again ;-) Every time after you emerge xorg you're meant to remerge its drivers (evdev being one of them). Usually there is some elog message telling you to run qfile to find what is need to be reinstalled: qlist -I -C x11-drivers/ -- Regards, Mick qlist works, too, thanks, that will be very useful in the future. Best regards Francisco
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evdev broken?
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:20 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mick wrote: Every time after you emerge xorg you're meant to remerge its drivers (evdev being one of them). Usually there is some elog message telling you to run qfile to find what is need to be reinstalled: qlist -I -C x11-drivers/ I think this works too: emerge -1av @x11-module-rebuild Correct me if I am wrong here. Dale :-) :-) Thanks for replying, but emerge tells me there are no sets to satisfy 'x11-module-rebuild' . Where would it come from? As far as I could tell, those sets are manually set, isn't it? And by the way, what is the use of 'xorg-drivers' package ? Best regards Francisco
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't find reiser4 patch for kernel-2.6.39
On 07/18/2011 11:45 PM, Bill Longman wrote: On 07/18/2011 06:50 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Monday 18 July 2011 14:30:28 Stroller wrote: On 18 July 2011, at 12:18, Mick wrote: Is it a matter of waiting a bit longer? Yes, I think he'll be eligible for parole beginning 2023. please refrain yourself from idiotic remarks like this. Everyone *knows* he's got full internet access, Stroller.sheesh. File a bug report and the warden will pass it his way. Given that he invented his own file system, I wonder why the prison bars are able to keep him locked up...
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evdev broken?
Francisco Ares writes: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:20 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mick wrote: Every time after you emerge xorg you're meant to remerge its drivers (evdev being one of them). Usually there is some elog message telling you to run qfile to find what is need to be reinstalled: qlist -I -C x11-drivers/ I think this works too: emerge -1av @x11-module-rebuild Correct me if I am wrong here. Thanks for replying, but emerge tells me there are no sets to satisfy 'x11-module-rebuild' . Where would it come from? As far as I could tell, those sets are manually set, isn't it? No, you just need a newer portage, probably a version = 2.2. This seems to be safe and is often suggested here on this list. Although there are frequent updates and I wonder if some big bug might slide into portage one day. If you want to do so, put sys-apps/portage- ** in /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords. Or something like =sys-apps/portage-2.2.0_alpha45 to install this version only, but I guess when it moves out of the portage tree it will be downgraded, so you'd need to put the ebuild into your local overlay then. And by the way, what is the use of 'xorg-drivers' package ? I think it's just some sort of meta package pulling in the real drivers. At least the output of equery files xorg-drivers is empty. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone got any older Portage snapshots kicking around?
On 20 July 2011, at 10:03, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Saturday 16 July 2011 17:53:48 Stroller wrote: A bit of a long shot, this, but has anyone got any older Portage snapshots kicking around, by any chance? ... If you are still looking, I have the following: portage-20100128.tar.bz2 portage-latest.tar.bz2 (dated Feb 23, 2010) portage-20090701.tar.bz2 (Find is still searching the rest of my system, but I think these are probably it. Those might be handy, thanks, Joost. Could you possibly put them on a web or ftp server, or on rapidshare, or something, and then mail me off-list to let me have the URL? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone got any older Portage snapshots kicking around?
On 20 July 2011, at 12:20, Thanasis wrote: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14040344/7-Oct-2010_portage.tar.bz2 Got it! Thanks! Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Re: evdev broken?
On 2011-07-20, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Every time after you emerge xorg you're meant to remerge its drivers (evdev being one of them). Usually there is some elog message telling you to run qfile to find what is need to be reinstalled: qlist -I -C x11-drivers/ I've always wondered why, if portage knows that has to be done, can't portage just go ahead and do it? -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Let's send the at Russians defective gmail.comlifestyle accessories!
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't find reiser4 patch for kernel-2.6.39
On 19 July 2011, at 15:43, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: … But we should put up with you trolling around and then acting all insulted and whiney when told to stop it? Unless there is some family or intimate connection the rest of us are unaware of, there are no grounds for you to be offended on behalf of a convicted murderer. I am not offended because of a murderer. I am offended by your weak trolling. Somebody asks some raiser4 related questions and little trolls like you pop up and spout their crap. All the fucking time. Ok, maybe I should just excuse you for your disability. It's clear you're not properly calibrated to social interactions. The whole point of trolling is that it *is* an attempt to offend or disturb. So if you have no reason to be offended or disturbed, then my joke couldn't possibly have been trolling. You had to use the word idiotic, apparently because it makes you feel big, like in your head you have more stature, when you slap someone else down. no, I used it because your 'joke' was idiotic. Beware: I did not call yourself an idiot. A suble difference you should have thought about. Are you trying to backpedal now? Because anyone can see that idiocy is inherently associated with idiots, and you're likely to antagonise people just the same whichever way you phrase it. I am sick of people who troll around and then go all whiney when put down. You can either handle the flames or you restrain yourself. It seems that you You're really not worth the time. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with xf86-video-ati nvidia-drivers
On 19 July 2011, at 20:41, Grant wrote: ... I found this: We recommend using the Just Scan mode with 1080i and 1080p material, which assures zero overscan and proper 1:1 pixel matching for this 1080p display. http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/lg-47lh90/4505-6482_7-33485570.html#reviewPage1 Just Scan is what I've always used which has the ghosting problem. I think I'm back to square one. I think the Windows versions of the nVidia drivers have options to over- or under-scan. This compensates for (older?) TVs which have no way to switch to a just scan mode. So the graphics card will, I think, output a slightly over-sized picture, then the telly will scale it down a bit back to normal size. This will not produce a perfect picture, but if overscan on the TV cannot be disabled, then there is no better choice. Is it possible they have recently added this feature to the Linux nVidia driver? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] ulogd fails to start
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Kfir Lavi lavi.k...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I emerged ulogd-2.0.0_beta4 and using the ulogd.conf that was installed by portage, it fails to start. I get this message in the log: Tue Jul 19 15:32:08 2011 8 ulogd.c:1179 not even a single working plugin stack Does anyone know what that's about? ULOG stuff is enabled in my kernel, and the plugins are on disk where the config file says. So I don't know what's wrong... Thanks, Paul What use flags did you use when installing this software? It seems that you didn't specify any plugins like mysql, pcap, postgres... Hi, thanks for the idea. I tried all combinations and, unfortunately, it fails with exactly the same error whether the USE flags are enabled or not. I guess I will file a bug report.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evdev broken?
On Wednesday 20 Jul 2011 15:16:06 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2011-07-20, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Every time after you emerge xorg you're meant to remerge its drivers (evdev being one of them). Usually there is some elog message telling you to run qfile to find what is need to be reinstalled: qlist -I -C x11-drivers/ I've always wondered why, if portage knows that has to be done, can't portage just go ahead and do it? Because as a gentoo user you may have some very good reason NOT to do it (i.e. you want to only emerge certain drivers and not others, unmask and emerge particular versions, etc.) Now portage could offer the choice of doing it (I have found these drivers, would sir/madam like me to remerge them?) but it could confuse newbies or halt emerges when run on a cron job. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] ulogd fails to start
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Kfir Lavi lavi.k...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I emerged ulogd-2.0.0_beta4 and using the ulogd.conf that was installed by portage, it fails to start. I get this message in the log: Tue Jul 19 15:32:08 2011 8 ulogd.c:1179 not even a single working plugin stack Does anyone know what that's about? ULOG stuff is enabled in my kernel, and the plugins are on disk where the config file says. So I don't know what's wrong... Thanks, Paul What use flags did you use when installing this software? It seems that you didn't specify any plugins like mysql, pcap, postgres... Hi, thanks for the idea. I tried all combinations and, unfortunately, it fails with exactly the same error whether the USE flags are enabled or not. I guess I will file a bug report. Solved it. It was a stupid mistake of mine. :) In /etc/ulogd.conf all of the stack lines were commented out by default. After I uncommented one, now it works.
Re: [gentoo-user] new notebook
On 19 July 2011, at 21:47, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... Screens; a choice between 1920x1080 WLED 1920x1080 RGBLED IPS The IPS screen only comes with an NVIDIA Quadro 2000M with 2GB GDDR3, The regular screen comes with these choices of video card: AMD FirePro M5950 Mobility Pro with 1GB GDDR5 dedicated memory NVIDIA Quadro 1000M with 2GB GDDR3 dedicated memory NVIDIA Quadro 2000M with 2GB GDDR3 dedicated memory The price difference is substantial. Considering that my usage is nothing more stressful than KDE eye-candy and mplayer, is the IPS screen worth the extra price? I *believe* that the difference between IPS screen and the other may manifest itself in things like viewing angle, accuracy or consistency of colour reproduction (for photographers / graphics designers) and clarity of viewing in daylight. This thread is 5 years old, so there may well have been developments since: http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus/44510-what-ips-screen.html This may not matter at all to you, and maybe you're just asking about the GPU, but I thought I'd address the question you actually posed. ;) Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] ulogd fails to start
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Kfir Lavi lavi.k...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I emerged ulogd-2.0.0_beta4 and using the ulogd.conf that was installed by portage, it fails to start. I get this message in the log: Tue Jul 19 15:32:08 2011 8 ulogd.c:1179 not even a single working plugin stack Does anyone know what that's about? ULOG stuff is enabled in my kernel, and the plugins are on disk where the config file says. So I don't know what's wrong... Thanks, Paul What use flags did you use when installing this software? It seems that you didn't specify any plugins like mysql, pcap, postgres... Hi, thanks for the idea. I tried all combinations and, unfortunately, it fails with exactly the same error whether the USE flags are enabled or not. I guess I will file a bug report. Solved it. It was a stupid mistake of mine. :) In /etc/ulogd.conf all of the stack lines were commented out by default. After I uncommented one, now it works. File a bug to issue a warning at the end of the emerge, so people know it will fail. As the error line is not in the old Ulog, this is new to version 2.0.0, so it is good you found this problem now. Regards, Kfir
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with xf86-video-ati nvidia-drivers
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 19 July 2011, at 20:41, Grant wrote: ... I found this: We recommend using the Just Scan mode with 1080i and 1080p material, which assures zero overscan and proper 1:1 pixel matching for this 1080p display. http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/lg-47lh90/4505-6482_7-33485570.html#reviewPage1 Just Scan is what I've always used which has the ghosting problem. I think I'm back to square one. I think the Windows versions of the nVidia drivers have options to over- or under-scan. This compensates for (older?) TVs which have no way to switch to a just scan mode. So the graphics card will, I think, output a slightly over-sized picture, then the telly will scale it down a bit back to normal size. This will not produce a perfect picture, but if overscan on the TV cannot be disabled, then there is no better choice. Is it possible they have recently added this feature to the Linux nVidia driver? Possibly related observation: On my 720p TV, if I output (via HDMI) 720p to it, I lose the outer ten or so pixels off of each side of the screen. NVidia video card configuration tool indicated a higher resolution was available, 13??x???, which resulted in a fine picture with no missing pixels, once I switched to it. This was about a year ago. (Can't easily test, now, because I no longer have a PC hooked up to that TV) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] new notebook
On Wednesday 20 July 2011 16:09:58 Stroller did opine thusly: On 19 July 2011, at 21:47, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... Screens; a choice between 1920x1080 WLED 1920x1080 RGBLED IPS The IPS screen only comes with an NVIDIA Quadro 2000M with 2GB GDDR3, The regular screen comes with these choices of video card: AMD FirePro M5950 Mobility Pro with 1GB GDDR5 dedicated memory NVIDIA Quadro 1000M with 2GB GDDR3 dedicated memory NVIDIA Quadro 2000M with 2GB GDDR3 dedicated memory The price difference is substantial. Considering that my usage is nothing more stressful than KDE eye-candy and mplayer, is the IPS screen worth the extra price? I *believe* that the difference between IPS screen and the other may manifest itself in things like viewing angle, accuracy or consistency of colour reproduction (for photographers / graphics designers) and clarity of viewing in daylight. This thread is 5 years old, so there may well have been developments since: http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus/44510-what-ips-screen.html This may not matter at all to you, and maybe you're just asking about the GPU, but I thought I'd address the question you actually posed. ;) Another admin just had his new notebook delivered with an IPS screen, so we sat for 3 hours inspecting it while an installer removed Windows. It's true that the IPS does have a fantastic viewing angle. I only started seeing bothersome colour shifts at about a 70degree angle viewed from the 10 o'clock position. Which is all great except that no-one in their right mind looks at a notebook from that acute angle. And I've never needed hugely accurate colour reproduction in 20 years, so I doubt that will change either anytime soon. My current machine is 1920x1200 with a regular display, and it's plenty good enough for me so I can't honestly say I see a need for the latest and greatest. But there's always a chance someone who's used one for a while will report significantly reduced eye strain or similar (impossible to detect this in the first short trial), hence my original question. I'm tending to think the ATI and a regular screen is the way forward, now to google how good the linux driver support is (my last ATI GPU was 6 years ago) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] ulogd fails to start
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Kfir Lavi lavi.k...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Kfir Lavi lavi.k...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I emerged ulogd-2.0.0_beta4 and using the ulogd.conf that was installed by portage, it fails to start. I get this message in the log: Tue Jul 19 15:32:08 2011 8 ulogd.c:1179 not even a single working plugin stack Does anyone know what that's about? ULOG stuff is enabled in my kernel, and the plugins are on disk where the config file says. So I don't know what's wrong... Thanks, Paul What use flags did you use when installing this software? It seems that you didn't specify any plugins like mysql, pcap, postgres... Hi, thanks for the idea. I tried all combinations and, unfortunately, it fails with exactly the same error whether the USE flags are enabled or not. I guess I will file a bug report. Solved it. It was a stupid mistake of mine. :) In /etc/ulogd.conf all of the stack lines were commented out by default. After I uncommented one, now it works. File a bug to issue a warning at the end of the emerge, so people know it will fail. As the error line is not in the old Ulog, this is new to version 2.0.0, so it is good you found this problem now. Done. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375777 Thanks, Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] new notebook
On Wednesday 20 July 2011 07:30:11 Mick did opine thusly: On Tuesday 19 Jul 2011 21:47:38 Alan McKinnon wrote: Notebook renewal time has rolled around again, I've had the old one for 3 years now. Amazing how much can change in 3 years. I don't do notebook support so my knowledge is always out of date... I'm tending towards a Dell Precision M4600 partly because I've had 4 Dells in a row all troublefree but mostly because the company discount is a big number that can only be properly described as obscenely big I'd like to get some input from folks who might have used this hardware. Screens; a choice between 1920x1080 WLED 1920x1080 RGBLED IPS The IPS screen only comes with an NVIDIA Quadro 2000M with 2GB GDDR3, The regular screen comes with these choices of video card: AMD FirePro M5950 Mobility Pro with 1GB GDDR5 dedicated memory NVIDIA Quadro 1000M with 2GB GDDR3 dedicated memory NVIDIA Quadro 2000M with 2GB GDDR3 dedicated memory The price difference is substantial. Considering that my usage is nothing more stressful than KDE eye-candy and mplayer, is the IPS screen worth the extra price? OTOH the machine has VGA, HDMI and DisplayPort as well as internal screen and I believe the ATI can drive all 4 at the same time whereas the nVidia is pick any two. Up to 4 screens might be more useful than outright performance. I don't think it is. When I bought my XPS (a year and a half ago) the RGBLED screen was c. £150 on top of what was a rather expensive machine by my affordability standards. Perhaps it was an early version back then, but although it was claimed by those who bought it that the RGBLED has somewhat superior picture quality, it also had 2 more drawbacks besides the price: I *can* see a difference with the RGBLED screen (see why answer to Stroller where someone in the office got one today), but its not a compelling difference and not big enough to make me go Wow! yet 1. You need to calibrate the monitor to get best picture and may need to repeat that every now and then. I will likely never do this :-) Mostly coz I'm lazy... 2. It will suck your battery dry (much?) faster than the WLED. If you're always on mains then the latter may be less of a problem. Mostly on mains, but I'd like to stay at more than 2 hours battery life from a full charge for 2.5 years A word of warning: the 1920x1080 resolution on a 16 monitor is *small*. Trying to read a typical website or even the content of my desktop menu would cause eye strain! Ha! Fantastic picture if you just want to watch videos in full 1080p HD, but if you are also thinking of productivity you may need to readjust your desktop settings to make reading comfortable. On e17 I had to change the Scaling setting to 80 DPI. Currently I have 1920x1200, 96dpi and konsole fonts set at 8pt. I'm used to people looking over my shoulder saying how the blazes do you read those tiny letters? A final note about Dell's build quality: This is meant to be a top of the range laptop. However, there are no substantial rubber stops to keep the screen surface away from the keyboard. Even with 3 additional self-adhesive rubber stops that I added, the keyboard is still touching and scratching the screen. For the sort of money I paid to buy it I would expect some more thought to have gone into the design and build of it. I guess all laptops these days are being churned out of some Chinese sweat shop, but for the money I expect a better product. I can't honestly fault this XPS's build quality. The palm rest area has warped, but it does run hot almost 24/7. The keyboard always felt a tad lower quality than it should have been, but did take 2.5 years for the legends to start wearing through. From what I've seen, the Precisions are better (there's quite a lot in the office of varying ages). They are almost as good as ThinkPads - not as good, but close. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] new notebook
on 07/20/2011 07:06 PM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: now to google how good the linux driver support is (my last ATI GPU was 6 years ago) I would choose nvidia, just for the driver support, but also make sure the thing doesn't suffer overheating...
[gentoo-user] Failure to compile 2.6.39-gentoo-r3
Hello, Just upgrading from 2.6.38-gentoo-r6 to 2.6.39-gentoo-r3 and I'm getting the following error: LD .tmp_vmlinux1 arch/x86/built-in.o: In function `microcode_init': microcode_core.c:(.init.text+0xaeb5): undefined reference to `init_intel_microcode' make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1 Any ideas? -Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] new notebook
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 20 July 2011 16:09:58 Stroller did opine thusly: It's true that the IPS does have a fantastic viewing angle. I only started seeing bothersome colour shifts at about a 70degree angle viewed from the 10 o'clock position. Which is all great except that no-one in their right mind looks at a notebook from that acute angle. It's good for pair programming scenarios, really. Although if you don't need to worry about that kind of scenario, having only a narrow accurate view angle might be a kind of privacy benefit. :) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evdev broken?
On Wednesday 20 July 2011 14:16:06 Grant Edwards did opine thusly: On 2011-07-20, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Every time after you emerge xorg you're meant to remerge its drivers (evdev being one of them). Usually there is some elog message telling you to run qfile to find what is need to be reinstalled: qlist -I -C x11-drivers/ I've always wondered why, if portage knows that has to be done, can't portage just go ahead and do it? Actually not. Portage doesn't know it has to be done, the ebuild dev knows and stuck a literal message in one of the post_() functions. To do what you mention, the driver would have to depend on xorg, but in fact xorg-server depends on the xorg-drivers meta package, which in turn depends on the drivers defined in USE. In theory, one could use PDEPEND I suppose, but I also suspect that would cause circular dependencies. The other option is to put an emerge call in pkg_postinst() but that would be heavily frowned upon as - it's a highly unusual solution and just an ugly hack - it wreaks the dep graph that emerge generates - stuff will get emerged that isn't visible at the beginning - portage can't definitively tell you before you start that the drivers will be remerged -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evdev broken?
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 14:16:06 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Every time after you emerge xorg you're meant to remerge its drivers (evdev being one of them). Usually there is some elog message telling you to run qfile to find what is need to be reinstalled: qlist -I -C x11-drivers/ I've always wondered why, if portage knows that has to be done, can't portage just go ahead and do it? Now that we have a set to do this, I see no reason why this could not be an option, enabled by a USE flag. -- Neil Bothwick COMMAND: A suggestion made to a computer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] new notebook
On Wednesday 20 July 2011 12:28:49 Michael Mol did opine thusly: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 20 July 2011 16:09:58 Stroller did opine thusly: It's true that the IPS does have a fantastic viewing angle. I only started seeing bothersome colour shifts at about a 70degree angle viewed from the 10 o'clock position. Which is all great except that no-one in their right mind looks at a notebook from that acute angle. It's good for pair programming scenarios, really. Although if you don't need to worry about that kind of scenario, having only a narrow accurate view angle might be a kind of privacy benefit. :) We all have 24 Samsung flat panels for pair programming :-) From 2 feet away at that size viewing angle isn't an issue. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] new notebook
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 20 July 2011 12:28:49 Michael Mol did opine thusly: It's good for pair programming scenarios, really. Although if you don't need to worry about that kind of scenario, having only a narrow accurate view angle might be a kind of privacy benefit. :) We all have 24 Samsung flat panels for pair programming :-) From 2 feet away at that size viewing angle isn't an issue. I think I need a better desk; three 23 CRTs at 1600x1200, and my coworkers can't get close enough to read any but the one furthest from me. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Failure to compile 2.6.39-gentoo-r3
Hi, CONFIG_MICROCODE=y CONFIG_MICROCODE_INTEL=y # CONFIG_MICROCODE_AMD is not set CONFIG_MICROCODE_OLD_INTERFACE=y -Michael
[gentoo-user] nginx init script dependencies
Hello, I'm new to this mailing list, so greetings to everyone! I am having some trouble starting nginx while some of the network interfaces are down. Running /etc/init.d/nginx ineed gives me fsck localmount dhcpcd net.eth0 net.eth1 net.lo I guess this means that all the net.* interfaces have to be up for nginx to start. Wouldn't it be more logical to require only one (like the loopback interface) to be up? The problem is that if I stop net.eth1 and start nginx it tries to start net.eth1, which I'd rather it did not do. Is there any way to avoid this? Thank you! Best regards, Giedrius Kudelis
Re: [gentoo-user] new notebook
On 7/19/2011 1:47 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: The price difference is substantial. Considering that my usage is nothing more stressful than KDE eye-candy and mplayer, is the IPS screen worth the extra price? OTOH the machine has VGA, HDMI and DisplayPort as well as internal screen and I believe the ATI can drive all 4 at the same time whereas the nVidia is pick any two. Up to 4 screens might be more useful than outright performance. I have the slightly older Dell E6410 with the NVS 3100M. It won't drive move than two displays though it does do two 1920x1200's quite nicely. I've found the display port less useful than I'd hoped mostly because I haven't bought a display port to HDMI cable. I don't think I've come across a display with a display port yet. Oddly VGA is the only common interface on all my display devices. As far as power I get 2.5 hours before needing to plug in. I'd expect to see about the same on the M4600. You might head over to your local big box electronic store. Dell seems to be well represented at most and hopefully they'd have a model with the IPS. I skipped the upgrade at the time and haven't felt the lack though if you like to work outside and it's bright enough it might be worth it. kashani
Re: [gentoo-user] nginx init script dependencies
on 07/20/2011 09:32 PM Giedrius Kudelis wrote the following: Hello, I'm new to this mailing list, so greetings to everyone! I am having some trouble starting nginx while some of the network interfaces are down. Running /etc/init.d/nginx ineed gives me fsck localmount dhcpcd net.eth0 net.eth1 net.lo I guess this means that all the net.* interfaces have to be up for nginx to start. Wouldn't it be more logical to require only one (like the loopback interface) to be up? The problem is that if I stop net.eth1 and start nginx it tries to start net.eth1, which I'd rather it did not do. Is there any way to avoid this? Thank you! Best regards, Giedrius Kudelis set rc_depend_strict=NO in /etc/rc.conf
Re: [gentoo-user] nginx init script dependencies
Hi, Thanks very much, that works! Best regards, Giedrius Kudelis
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with xf86-video-ati nvidia-drivers
--snip-- The TV is an LG 47LH90 and and it is said to do 1080p. I looked for ghosting in 16:9 mode instead of Just Scan mode and strangely the shadows are there, but they're oriented top and bottom instead of left and right. I can take another photo if anyone would like to see. Why do I need to select Just Scan in order to prevent all 4 edges of the screen from being cut off? - Grant BTW I think you're on to something Stroller because the overall picture is definitely improved in 16:9 mode compared to Just Scan mode. I just need to figure out how to prevent the edges of the screen from being cut off. - Grant Grant, By default most TVs overscan inputs due to broadcast signals at the edges as the picture there is not well defined and can have white overscan lines and such. The TV compensates by overscanning which basically zooms in on the picture making (on my 46 Samsung TV) the outer 1-1.5 of the picture disappear. On my TV it was fairly simple to turn this off, I just had to label the HDMI input as DVI PC and it automatically turned off any picture processing/overscanning. Yours may be similar. Sorry if there's typos, I have a bandaged finger and it's a PITA to type with. I think I fixed all of them. Dan I found this: We recommend using the Just Scan mode with 1080i and 1080p material, which assures zero overscan and proper 1:1 pixel matching for this 1080p display. http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/lg-47lh90/4505-6482_7-33485570.html# reviewPage1 Just Scan is what I've always used which has the ghosting problem. I think I'm back to square one. Just a thought: have you approached the OEM for the TV? If you could get to some technical department they would hopefully advise if this is a setting or hardware issue. That may be. I'll try that. Please let me know if you think this may be a software issue of some sort. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Time for hardware upgrade(s)
On Monday 04 July 2011 09:30:27 Grant wrote: I'm reading that ASUS and Gigabyte are the way to go for reliability. Don't forget Tyan. The workstation board I have here has been rock-solid even in really bad atmospheric conditions (large temperature and humidity differences) and a dodgy power supply from the utility company. They're just a bit more expensive then ASUS. -- Joost
[gentoo-user] Re: evdev broken?
On 2011-07-20, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 20 July 2011 14:16:06 Grant Edwards did opine thusly: On 2011-07-20, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Every time after you emerge xorg you're meant to remerge its drivers (evdev being one of them). Usually there is some elog message telling you to run qfile to find what is need to be reinstalled: qlist -I -C x11-drivers/ I've always wondered why, if portage knows that has to be done, can't portage just go ahead and do it? Actually not. Portage doesn't know it has to be done, the ebuild dev knows and stuck a literal message in one of the post_() functions. Ah, I see. To do what you mention, the driver would have to depend on xorg, but in fact xorg-server depends on the xorg-drivers meta package, which in turn depends on the drivers defined in USE. To paraphrase... The data structures and algorithms used to represent dependancies by portage can't deal with two packages that depend on each-other. That is the case with xorg and xorg-drivers, so the dependencies in one direction are ignore by Portage itself (but not by the devs who have put the message in the ebuild) and have to be handled out-of-band as special cases. Fair enough. If this is something peculiar to Xorg (it seems there are a lot of things that are) and doesn't crop up in other places, it's probably not worth trying to make Portage handle it. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Does someone from at PEORIA have a SHORTER gmail.comATTENTION span than me?
Re: [gentoo-user] Failure to compile 2.6.39-gentoo-r3
LD .tmp_vmlinux1 arch/x86/built-in.o: In function `microcode_init': microcode_core.c:(.init.text+0xaeb5): undefined reference to `init_intel_microcode' make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1 this should not happen: if you selected any module from the kernel tree to be built into the kernel (you did it for cpu firmware loader as it comes from previous message), the compiled code for every module pretended to be built into the kernel image is additively placed into built-in.o - actually the kernel tree contains built-in.o files for every kernel component, arch, mm, drivers, net etc. at the final build stage, all the object files are linked together producing vmlinux elf binary. i just tried to build test kernel with built-in firmware loader for x86 and x86_64 arches: both completed successfully so i guess you've got error due to some inconsistencies in the kernel directory. try it again from the scratch: * save somewhere out of kernel tree your current /usr/src/linux/.config * wipe out compeled and generated code from the kernel tree: cd /usr/src/linux; make mrproper * restore .config * make silentoldconfig * make words below are not directly related to the case, but proper behavior is to build cpu firmware loader as module (i presume the kernel is configured to load and unload modules: CONFIG_MICROCODE=m CONFIG_MICROCODE_INTEL=y CONFIG_MICROCODE_OLD_INTERFACE=y CONFIG_FW_LOADER=y * as you probably know microcode loader runs in userspace once at boot time (you have to emerge sys-apps/microcode-ctl and rc-update microcode_ctl boot) * microcode service script /etc/init.d/microcode_ctl at start loads kernel module 'microcode' * then the script starts microcode loader (data is in sys-apps/microcode-data) * at the end the script unloads microcode module thus freeing kernel resources (loaded data remains into cpu cache until reset) hth, victor
[gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer
I ran into an out of memory problem. The first mention of it in the kernel log is mysqld invoked oom-killer. I haven't run into this before. I do have a swap partition but I don't activate it based on something I read previously that I later found out was wrong so I suppose I should activate it. Is fstab the way to do that? I have a commented line in there for swap. Can anyone tell how much swap this is: /dev/sda2 80325 1140614 530145 82 Linux swap / Solaris If it's something like 512MB, that may not have prevented me from running out of memory since I have 4GB RAM. Is there any way to find out if there was a memory leak or other problem that should be investigated? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Problem with xf86-video-ati nvidia-drivers
... I was thinking about this. The digital HDMI signal must be converted into an analog signal at some point if it's being represented as light on a TV screen. Electrical interference generated by the computer and traveling up the HDMI wire should have its chance to affect things (i.e. create weird shadows) at that point, right? Not with DFPs. Those work digital even internally. I assume of course that his HDMI TV *is* a DFP. But at some point the 1s and 0s must be converted to some sort of an analog signal if only right behind the diode. A diode must be presented with a signal in some sort of analog form in order to illuminate, right? no. If your tv is a standard flat panel, the sub pixels only go from on to off and back. Nothing else. There is no analog signal, no transformation nothing. And off means 'let light through' and on 'black' Every digital signal is encoded into an analog signal. I think it would take some serious EMI to sufficiently change the characteristics of an analog signal so as to create an error in the overlying digital signal if that signal is traveling along a wire. I can imagine it happens but I would think it's rare. Even if that signal were altered, I would think it just about impossible that anything but an error could be produced. Whether an LED is on or off is determined by whether or not it is forward biased. Biasing is established by analog voltages and/or currents, and those can be altered by EMI. Again, I would think it's very rare that EMI could affect an LED's forward biasing and change its state from on to off or off to on. However, what color an LED emits is determined by the energy gap of the semiconductor which is very much an analog process. How could it be anything else? How do you tell a photon to emit a certain color by feeding it 1's and 0's? There has to be at least one D/A conversion somewhere between the digital signal and the emittance of the LED, and that is the most likely point for EMI to affect the final output. If you have an led display it is pretty much the same. All the levels you see are achieved with fast switching. There are no analog levels. Stroller is probably correct with overscan/underscan. But that has nothing to do with digital/analog conversion. Digital is just a figment of our imagination after all. emm, no, seriously not. It is though. It only exists in the conceptual world, not the physical world. If you want to do anything with your digital signal besides change it, store it, or transfer it, there must be a D/A conversion. You're thinking of PCM. (And that's what I was thinking of, earlier, too). I assume Stroller and Volker are talking about PWM, where a perceived analog value is achieved by rapidly turning a signal from full-on to full-off. (Yes, there's no such thing as pure-digital in the physical world. The confusion here appears to be in PWM vs PCM.) -- :wq Everything I said above applies to both PCM and PWM. They are only conceptual layers built on top of a physical/analog base. PWM switching from full-on to full-off and back is an analog process representing digital data in order to represent an analog signal. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I ran into an out of memory problem. The first mention of it in the kernel log is mysqld invoked oom-killer. I haven't run into this before. I do have a swap partition but I don't activate it based on something I read previously that I later found out was wrong so I suppose I should activate it. Is fstab the way to do that? I have a commented line in there for swap. Yes, just uncomment it and should be automatic. (you can use swapon to enable it without rebooting) Can anyone tell how much swap this is: /dev/sda2 80325 1140614 530145 82 Linux swap / Solaris If it's something like 512MB, that may not have prevented me from running out of memory since I have 4GB RAM. Is there any way to find out if there was a memory leak or other problem that should be investigated? That's 512MB. You can also create a swap file to supplement the swap partition if you don't want to or aren't able to repartition. I'd check the MySQL logs to see if it shows anything. Maybe check the settings with regard to memory upper limits (Google it, there's a lot of info about MySQL RAM management). If you're running any other servers that utilize MySQL like Apache or something, check its access logs to see if you had an abnormal number of connections. Bruteforce hacking or some kind of flooding/DOS attack might cause it to use more memory than it ordinarily would. A Basic what's using up my memory? technique is to log the output of top by using the -b command. Something like top -b toplog.txt. Then you can go back to the time when the OOM occurred and see what was using a lot of RAM at that time.
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Time for hardware upgrade(s)
On 07/20/2011 11:49 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Monday 04 July 2011 09:30:27 Grant wrote: I'm reading that ASUS and Gigabyte are the way to go for reliability. Don't forget Tyan. The workstation board I have here has been rock-solid even in really bad atmospheric conditions (large temperature and humidity differences) and a dodgy power supply from the utility company. They're just a bit more expensive then ASUS. +1 I had a DP Xeon mobo from them (S2665UANF) when the Xeon first got HT. Great machine.
[gentoo-user] Using KVM, what about clocks?
Maybe a bit OT, but otherwise close to gentoo as well (as we all configure our kernels individually ) (see ps below): When I configure my gentoo-server for Linux KVM, how to get the clock-issues right, in terms of correctness and performance? I assume that I am not the only one scratching his head ... but maybe some of us simply hesitate to ask ;-) HPET, RTC, TSC, blah ... A new server with a Xeon-CPU tells me: kvm: SMP vm created on host with unstable TSC; guest TSC will not be reliable Ah, ok. Is that bad? Could I do something? Should I? My question is // questions are: Are there any recommended kernel-config-settings for a performant and non-drifting KVM-server? Is there a best practise? What is your experience, your recommendation? Maybe it should find its way into the gentoo wiki :-) Thanks in advance, Stefan ps: yeah, I know, this should go to the linux-kvm-ml in an ideal world. We all know that we would end up subscribed to dozens of mailing-lists just to get our jobs done so pls be tolerant in terms of what is off-topic. thx.
Re: [gentoo-user] Using KVM, what about clocks?
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.atwrote: Maybe a bit OT, but otherwise close to gentoo as well (as we all configure our kernels individually ) (see ps below): When I configure my gentoo-server for Linux KVM, how to get the clock-issues right, in terms of correctness and performance? I assume that I am not the only one scratching his head ... but maybe some of us simply hesitate to ask ;-) HPET, RTC, TSC, blah ... A new server with a Xeon-CPU tells me: kvm: SMP vm created on host with unstable TSC; guest TSC will not be reliable Ah, ok. Is that bad? Could I do something? Should I? My question is // questions are: Are there any recommended kernel-config-settings for a performant and non-drifting KVM-server? Is there a best practise? What is your experience, your recommendation? Maybe it should find its way into the gentoo wiki :-) Thanks in advance, Stefan ps: yeah, I know, this should go to the linux-kvm-ml in an ideal world. We all know that we would end up subscribed to dozens of mailing-lists just to get our jobs done so pls be tolerant in terms of what is off-topic. thx. This question is totally related to Gentoo! Try -cpu ? and run with different cpu's to see if this can solve the problem. Kfir
Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer
On Wednesday 20 July 2011 13:30:05 Grant did opine thusly: I ran into an out of memory problem. The first mention of it in the kernel log is mysqld invoked oom-killer. I haven't run into this before. I do have a swap partition but I don't activate it based on something I read previously that I later found out was wrong so I suppose I should activate it. Is fstab the way to do that? I have a commented line in there for swap. Can anyone tell how much swap this is: /dev/sda2 80325 1140614 530145 82 Linux swap / Solaris If it's something like 512MB, that may not have prevented me from running out of memory since I have 4GB RAM. Is there any way to find out if there was a memory leak or other problem that should be investigated? To activate swap, put a line in fstab like so: /dev/sda2 noneswapsw 0 0 However, you do not want to use it. it is not the life-saver some howto authors on the internet claim it to be. When a linux machine hits swap, it does so very aggressively, there is nothing nice about it at all. The entire machine slows to a painstaking crawl for easily a minute at a time while the kernel writes pages out to disk, and disk is thousands of times slower than RAM. It gets so bad that you can't even run a shell properly to try and see what's going on and kill the actual memory hog. My personal rule of thumb: if you hit swap, the bad thing has already gone very very south, usually to the point where you can't do much about it and it's already too late. Besides, that bastard deomon spawn of satan called the oom-killer is likely about to kick in and REALLY make your day. Anyone else notice how oom-killer seems to be hard coded to zap the most inconvenient process of all?. What you need to be doing is monitor your memory usage during normal conditions and deal with issues before they become problems. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] new notebook
On Wednesday 20 July 2011 10:39:00 kashani did opine thusly: On 7/19/2011 1:47 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: The price difference is substantial. Considering that my usage is nothing more stressful than KDE eye-candy and mplayer, is the IPS screen worth the extra price? OTOH the machine has VGA, HDMI and DisplayPort as well as internal screen and I believe the ATI can drive all 4 at the same time whereas the nVidia is pick any two. Up to 4 screens might be more useful than outright performance. I have the slightly older Dell E6410 with the NVS 3100M. It won't drive move than two displays though it does do two 1920x1200's quite nicely. Google confirms :-) Apparently the nVidia GPU has two DACs so although it may have more than 2 output sockets, it's pick any two display ports I've found the display port less useful than I'd hoped mostly because I haven't bought a display port to HDMI cable. I don't think I've come across a display with a display port yet. Oddly VGA is the only common interface on all my display devices. Agreed. Macs have infested our techie areas, the things seem to breed under the desks overnight. Macs use DisplayPort and our techies can have their pick of just about any display device they feel like having (within reason). No-one has a native DisplayPort device, everyone has converter dongles (usual to VGA!) As far as power I get 2.5 hours before needing to plug in. I'd expect to see about the same on the M4600. This XPS M1530 gave me 2.5 hours when new with extended battery. A colleague with a one-year old Precision gets 4 on a standard battery! You might head over to your local big box electronic store. Dell seems to be well represented at most and hopefully they'd have a model with the IPS. I skipped the upgrade at the time and haven't felt the lack though if you like to work outside and it's bright enough it might be worth it. Ummm, I'm an Internets sysadmin. I long ago forgot what that exploding ball of hydrogen in the sky looks like in real life :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: evdev broken?
On 07/20/2011 12:37 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 14:16:06 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Every time after you emerge xorg you're meant to remerge its drivers (evdev being one of them). Usually there is some elog message telling you to run qfile to find what is need to be reinstalled: qlist -I -C x11-drivers/ I've always wondered why, if portage knows that has to be done, can't portage just go ahead and do it? Now that we have a set to do this, I see no reason why this could not be an option, enabled by a USE flag. The last time I complained about this, someone sent me here: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=192319
[gentoo-user] no_root_squash equivalent for virtualbox shared folders?
I've been trying to share /usr/portage on a gentoo host with a virtualbox gentoo guest, but I'm having an identity crisis ;) The /usr/portage/ share mounts perfectly on the gentoo guest, but even root (on the gentoo guest) can't write to the shared portage directory. After hours of googling and putzing around with mount options, I'm pretty sure that root on the host is not the same user as root on the virtualbox guest. This seems analogous to an NFS mount without the 'no_squash_root' mount option, but I haven't discovered the analogous solution for vboxfs mounts. Any applications of the cluestick would be most welcome :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't find reiser4 patch for kernel-2.6.39
On 07/20/2011 07:53 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 07/18/2011 11:45 PM, Bill Longman wrote: On 07/18/2011 06:50 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Monday 18 July 2011 14:30:28 Stroller wrote: On 18 July 2011, at 12:18, Mick wrote: Is it a matter of waiting a bit longer? Yes, I think he'll be eligible for parole beginning 2023. please refrain yourself from idiotic remarks like this. Everyone *knows* he's got full internet access, Stroller.sheesh. File a bug report and the warden will pass it his way. Given that he invented his own file system, I wonder why the prison bars are able to keep him locked up... If using a filesystem written by a murderer is wrong, I don't want to read/write!
Re: [gentoo-user] no_root_squash equivalent for virtualbox shared folders?
On Wednesday 20 July 2011 15:33:48 walt did opine thusly: I've been trying to share /usr/portage on a gentoo host with a virtualbox gentoo guest, but I'm having an identity crisis ;) The /usr/portage/ share mounts perfectly on the gentoo guest, but even root (on the gentoo guest) can't write to the shared portage directory. After hours of googling and putzing around with mount options, I'm pretty sure that root on the host is not the same user as root on the virtualbox guest. This seems analogous to an NFS mount without the 'no_squash_root' mount option, but I haven't discovered the analogous solution for vboxfs mounts. Any applications of the cluestick would be most welcome :) What are the relevant entries in /etc/exports on the host /etc/fstab on the guest root on one is not different to root on another; root is root. Well actually it's EUID=0 is EUID=0 but you get the idea. Your problem is one of root_squash active on the host mounted ro on the guest exported ro on the host some weird new funkyness courtesy of NFS4 -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer
I ran into an out of memory problem. The first mention of it in the kernel log is mysqld invoked oom-killer. I haven't run into this before. I do have a swap partition but I don't activate it based on something I read previously that I later found out was wrong so I suppose I should activate it. Is fstab the way to do that? I have a commented line in there for swap. Yes, just uncomment it and should be automatic. (you can use swapon to enable it without rebooting) Got it. Can anyone tell how much swap this is: /dev/sda2 80325 1140614 530145 82 Linux swap / Solaris If it's something like 512MB, that may not have prevented me from running out of memory since I have 4GB RAM. Is there any way to find out if there was a memory leak or other problem that should be investigated? That's 512MB. You can also create a swap file to supplement the swap partition if you don't want to or aren't able to repartition. So I'm sure I have the concept right, is adding a 1GB swap partition functionally identical to adding 1GB RAM with regard to the potential for out-of-memory conditions? I'd check the MySQL logs to see if it shows anything. Maybe check the settings with regard to memory upper limits (Google it, there's a lot of info about MySQL RAM management). Nothing in the log and from what I read online, an error should be logged if I reach mysql's memory limit. If you're running any other servers that utilize MySQL like Apache or something, check its access logs to see if you had an abnormal number of connections. Bruteforce hacking or some kind of flooding/DOS attack might cause it to use more memory than it ordinarily would. It runs apache and I found some info there. A Basic what's using up my memory? technique is to log the output of top by using the -b command. Something like top -b toplog.txt. Then you can go back to the time when the OOM occurred and see what was using a lot of RAM at that time. The kernel actually logged some top-like output and it looks like I had a large number of apache2 processes running, likely 256 processes which is the default MaxClients. The specified total_vm for each process was about 67000 which means 256 x 67MB = 17GB??? I looked over my apache2 log and I was hit severely by a single IP right as the server went down. However, that IP looks to be a residential customer in the US and they engaged in normal browsing behavior both before and after the disruption. I think that IP may have done the refresh-100-times thing out of frustration as the server started to go down. Does it sound like apache2 was using up all the memory? If so, should I look further for a catalyst or did this likely happen slowly? What can I do to prevent it from happening again? Should I switch apache2 from prefork to threads? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't find reiser4 patch for kernel-2.6.39
On Wednesday 20 July 2011 15:20:43 Stroller wrote: On 19 July 2011, at 15:43, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: … But we should put up with you trolling around and then acting all insulted and whiney when told to stop it? Unless there is some family or intimate connection the rest of us are unaware of, there are no grounds for you to be offended on behalf of a convicted murderer. I am not offended because of a murderer. I am offended by your weak trolling. Somebody asks some raiser4 related questions and little trolls like you pop up and spout their crap. All the fucking time. Ok, maybe I should just excuse you for your disability. It's clear you're not properly calibrated to social interactions. oh sure, because I have called you for your trolling, I am unable to interact. You know me really well. Wow, thanks for your distant-analyzation of my mind. You must be a genius. The whole point of trolling is that it *is* an attempt to offend or disturb. So if you have no reason to be offended or disturbed, then my joke couldn't possibly have been trolling. You offended and you disturbed. Instead of an answer you sent a tasteless joke. Which is a disturbance. Follwing your own sentence above that is trolling. Really, try better. You had to use the word idiotic, apparently because it makes you feel big, like in your head you have more stature, when you slap someone else down. no, I used it because your 'joke' was idiotic. Beware: I did not call yourself an idiot. A suble difference you should have thought about. Are you trying to backpedal now? no. I stand by my word. Your 'joke' was bad trolling and idiotic. Because anyone can see that idiocy is inherently associated with idiots, and you're likely to antagonise people just the same whichever way you phrase it. I really do not care about your esteem for me. Or what anybody else on this list think about me. If you were among my 'real life' friends - yeah, I would care. But some anonymous troll on a mailing list? Seriously, you aren't even man enough to post using your name - and I shall regard your person highly? I am sick of people who troll around and then go all whiney when put down. You can either handle the flames or you restrain yourself. It seems that you You're really not worth the time. because you got burnt it seems. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't find reiser4 patch for kernel-2.6.39
On Wednesday 20 July 2011 18:36:39 Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 07/20/2011 07:53 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 07/18/2011 11:45 PM, Bill Longman wrote: On 07/18/2011 06:50 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Monday 18 July 2011 14:30:28 Stroller wrote: On 18 July 2011, at 12:18, Mick wrote: Is it a matter of waiting a bit longer? Yes, I think he'll be eligible for parole beginning 2023. please refrain yourself from idiotic remarks like this. Everyone *knows* he's got full internet access, Stroller.sheesh. File a bug report and the warden will pass it his way. Given that he invented his own file system, I wonder why the prison bars are able to keep him locked up... If using a filesystem written by a murderer is wrong, I don't want to read/write! so you guys decided to jump on Stroller's bandwagon. Please, continue. Helps a lot when to decide which threads to ignore. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer
Does it sound like apache2 was using up all the memory? If so, should I look further for a catalyst or did this likely happen slowly? What can I do to prevent it from happening again? Should I switch apache2 from prefork to threads? Do you need the full 256 instances? How many simultaneous connections do you have? Are you running keep alive (connection persistence, and i *think* it also implies connection pipelining). Its the default these days but if you're been upgrading through older versions the config might have it disabled. Also, WRT swap you can set vm.swappiness in /etc/sysctl.conf from the default of 60 to something lower, to reduce the propensity to use swap.
Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer
On 7/20/2011 4:08 PM, Grant wrote: I ran into an out of memory problem. The first mention of it in the kernel log is mysqld invoked oom-killer. I haven't run into this before. I do have a swap partition but I don't activate it based on something I read previously that I later found out was wrong so I suppose I should activate it. Is fstab the way to do that? I have a commented line in there for swap. Yes, just uncomment it and should be automatic. (you can use swapon to enable it without rebooting) Got it. Can anyone tell how much swap this is: /dev/sda2 80325 1140614 530145 82 Linux swap / Solaris If it's something like 512MB, that may not have prevented me from running out of memory since I have 4GB RAM. Is there any way to find out if there was a memory leak or other problem that should be investigated? That's 512MB. You can also create a swap file to supplement the swap partition if you don't want to or aren't able to repartition. So I'm sure I have the concept right, is adding a 1GB swap partition functionally identical to adding 1GB RAM with regard to the potential for out-of-memory conditions? I'd check the MySQL logs to see if it shows anything. Maybe check the settings with regard to memory upper limits (Google it, there's a lot of info about MySQL RAM management). Nothing in the log and from what I read online, an error should be logged if I reach mysql's memory limit. If you're running any other servers that utilize MySQL like Apache or something, check its access logs to see if you had an abnormal number of connections. Bruteforce hacking or some kind of flooding/DOS attack might cause it to use more memory than it ordinarily would. It runs apache and I found some info there. A Basic what's using up my memory? technique is to log the output of top by using the -b command. Something like top -b toplog.txt. Then you can go back to the time when the OOM occurred and see what was using a lot of RAM at that time. The kernel actually logged some top-like output and it looks like I had a large number of apache2 processes running, likely 256 processes which is the default MaxClients. The specified total_vm for each process was about 67000 which means 256 x 67MB = 17GB??? I looked over my apache2 log and I was hit severely by a single IP right as the server went down. However, that IP looks to be a residential customer in the US and they engaged in normal browsing behavior both before and after the disruption. I think that IP may have done the refresh-100-times thing out of frustration as the server started to go down. Does it sound like apache2 was using up all the memory? If so, should I look further for a catalyst or did this likely happen slowly? What can I do to prevent it from happening again? Should I switch apache2 from prefork to threads? Switching from prefork to threads and vice versa can be very difficult depending on which modules and libraries your site uses. It is not on the list of things you should try first. Or second. Maybe 37th. I wouldn't expect adding swap to do much in this case. Your site gets hit hard, Mysql is a bit slow, Apache processes start stacking up, the system starts swapping, disk is really slow compared to RAM, and everything grinds to a complete halt possibly locking the machine up. The easiest thing to try is to turn off keepalives so child processes aren't hanging around keeping connections up. Also lower the number of Apache children to 8 * number of processors or a minimum of 32. Test a bit. Turning off keep alive can cause problems for Flash based uploaders to your site and code that expect the connection to stay up. For most sites this shouldn't matter. Next I'd look at tuning your Mysql config. If you've never touched my.cnf, by default it's set to use 64MB IIRC. You may need to raise this to get better performance. key_buffer and innodb_buffer_pool_size are the only two I'd modify without knowing more. kashani
Re: [gentoo-user] Using KVM, what about clocks?
On Wednesday, July 20 at 23:43 (+0200), Stefan G. Weichinger said: [...] Are there any recommended kernel-config-settings for a performant and non-drifting KVM-server? Well, KVM_CLOCK obviously: KVM_CLOCK bool KVM paravirtualized clock select PARAVIRT select PARAVIRT_CLOCK Turning on this option will allow you to run a paravirtualized clock when running over the KVM hypervisor. Instead of relying on a PIT (or probably other) emulation by the underlying device model, the host provides the guest with timing infrastructure such as time of day, and system time
Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer
The easiest thing to try is to turn off keepalives so child processes aren't hanging around keeping connections up. KeepAliveTimeout defaults to 5 seconds, so that shouldn't be a significant problem, and you get the efficiency of persistence and probably pipelining too. Could be worth reducing some of the tcp timers (the *_WAIT ones) if your netstat is full of CLOSE_WAIT/TIME_WAIT etc sessions (which will be more of a problem if you turn off keepalives). But completely agree, if your mysql is sluggish, it will mean apache processes hang around for longer than they need to and therefore build up and use more memory. Use top then shift-m for quick overview of memory use.
Re: [gentoo-user] Problems with Nvidia fake raid array
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 09:06 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 07/18/2011 11:08 PM, Jeff Cranmer wrote: Pardon my additional questions before taking the plunge here. So, given that I have three devices, /dev/sda, /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc, if I run the command mdadm --assemble --scan, would this find all the components and create a /dev/md0 disk without damaging the contents of the original RAID array? If you've got the space and time, a backup can't hurt. Using --scan will make it check the config file, but right now, there's probably nothing useful in it. This looks like what you want to do to me: If the --scan option is not given, then only devices and identities listed on the command line are considered. The first device will be the array device, and the remainder will be examined when looking for components. but I'd figure out where that md0 is coming from (below) first. When I tried mdadm --assemble --scan with nothing uncommented in the configuration file, I got mdadm: No arrays found in config file or automatically. Typing dmesg | grep md0 returned no lines. There are a couple of lines in dmesg when I run dmesg | grep md:, but they read md: linear personality registered for level -1 md: raid0 personality registered for level 0 md: raid1 personality registered for level 1 md: raid10 personality registered for level 10 md: raid6 personality registered for level 6 md: raid5 personality registered for level 5 md: raid4 personality registered for level 4 md: Waiting for all devices to be available before autodetect md: If you don't use raid, use raid=noautodetect md: Autodetecting RAID arrays md: Scanned 0 and added 0 devices md: autorun... md: ... autorun DONE. I think this means that raid5 is set up correctly in the kernel, but it can't find the raid array. Next I tried adding a line to the config file: DEVICE /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc mdadm --assemble --scan returned the same results as before Next, I tried commenting out the previously added DEVICE line, and adding ARRAY /dev/md0 devices=/dev/sda,/dev/sdb,/dev/sdc mdadm --assemble --scan returns something different mdadm: /dev/sdb has no superblock - assembly aborted. The only item in /dev/mapper is th default 'control' entry. There is a /dev/md0 item already listed, but presently when I try to mount it, it reports that it is unable to read the superblock. Would the command above fix this? Depends. Where'd the md0 come from? You probably have something in your logs or dmesg, unless that device was created manually on your old system. Where is the config file mentioned in your e-mail, and do I need to edit it first to add the three raid disks? It's /etc/mdadm.conf. You don't need it to create or use the array, but you'll want to run mdadm when the machine boots and the config file tells it what to do. Once the array is working, you can just do, mdadm --detail --scan /etc/mdadm.conf mdadm --detail --scan returns no output. Also, I just checked /dev and md0 is now gone from the list. Since there are also /dev/sg0, /dev/sg1 and /dev/sg1, I also tried those instead of /dev/sda, /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc in the ARRAY line, but mdadm --assemble --scan returned no output I tried re-booting, but /dev/md0 is now permanently gone. Does this give you any ideas what I can try next?? Thanks Jeff
Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:54 PM, kashani kashani-l...@badapple.net wrote: On 7/20/2011 4:08 PM, Grant wrote: I ran into an out of memory problem. The first mention of it in the kernel log is mysqld invoked oom-killer. I haven't run into this before. I do have a swap partition but I don't activate it based on something I read previously that I later found out was wrong so I suppose I should activate it. Is fstab the way to do that? I have a commented line in there for swap. Yes, just uncomment it and should be automatic. (you can use swapon to enable it without rebooting) Got it. Can anyone tell how much swap this is: /dev/sda2 80325 1140614 530145 82 Linux swap / Solaris If it's something like 512MB, that may not have prevented me from running out of memory since I have 4GB RAM. Is there any way to find out if there was a memory leak or other problem that should be investigated? That's 512MB. You can also create a swap file to supplement the swap partition if you don't want to or aren't able to repartition. So I'm sure I have the concept right, is adding a 1GB swap partition functionally identical to adding 1GB RAM with regard to the potential for out-of-memory conditions? I'd check the MySQL logs to see if it shows anything. Maybe check the settings with regard to memory upper limits (Google it, there's a lot of info about MySQL RAM management). Nothing in the log and from what I read online, an error should be logged if I reach mysql's memory limit. If you're running any other servers that utilize MySQL like Apache or something, check its access logs to see if you had an abnormal number of connections. Bruteforce hacking or some kind of flooding/DOS attack might cause it to use more memory than it ordinarily would. It runs apache and I found some info there. A Basic what's using up my memory? technique is to log the output of top by using the -b command. Something like top -b toplog.txt. Then you can go back to the time when the OOM occurred and see what was using a lot of RAM at that time. The kernel actually logged some top-like output and it looks like I had a large number of apache2 processes running, likely 256 processes which is the default MaxClients. The specified total_vm for each process was about 67000 which means 256 x 67MB = 17GB??? I looked over my apache2 log and I was hit severely by a single IP right as the server went down. However, that IP looks to be a residential customer in the US and they engaged in normal browsing behavior both before and after the disruption. I think that IP may have done the refresh-100-times thing out of frustration as the server started to go down. Does it sound like apache2 was using up all the memory? If so, should I look further for a catalyst or did this likely happen slowly? What can I do to prevent it from happening again? Should I switch apache2 from prefork to threads? Switching from prefork to threads and vice versa can be very difficult depending on which modules and libraries your site uses. It is not on the list of things you should try first. Or second. Maybe 37th. I wouldn't expect adding swap to do much in this case. Your site gets hit hard, Mysql is a bit slow, Apache processes start stacking up, the system starts swapping, disk is really slow compared to RAM, and everything grinds to a complete halt possibly locking the machine up. The easiest thing to try is to turn off keepalives so child processes aren't hanging around keeping connections up. Also lower the number of Apache children to 8 * number of processors or a minimum of 32. Test a bit. Turning off keep alive can cause problems for Flash based uploaders to your site and code that expect the connection to stay up. For most sites this shouldn't matter. Next I'd look at tuning your Mysql config. If you've never touched my.cnf, by default it's set to use 64MB IIRC. You may need to raise this to get better performance. key_buffer and innodb_buffer_pool_size are the only two I'd modify without knowing more. Also, run a caching proxy if at all possible. That made the single biggest difference for my server. Other useful things: * Set the MaxRequestsPerChild to something like 450. As part of their caching, things like mod_php will grow the process size a bit as the apache process gets old in the tooth. Setting MaxRequestsPerChild lower causes the process to expire and be replaced sooner. On my server, I see apache processes consume about 60MB towards the end, and then cycle back and consume about 22MB. * On my server, I have MinSpareServers at 10, and MaxSpareServers at 12. I handle spikes pretty well, and free the memory quickly. * If you're using PHP, set memory_limit in php.ini as low as your applications can survive. I'm assuming you're running on a VPS or similar. At 512MB of RAM with a web server and database server, you need to keep
[gentoo-user] New computer and Gentoo
Hi everyone, Today, I ordered a new desktop from Dell (offer too good to pass up!). The system is a Dell XPS 8300 with an Intel Core i7 processor. I was reading the Gentoo wiki about safe CFLAGS and it said that march=native is recommended if I use gcc = 4.2.3. I looked at processor specific CFLAGS and if I am understanding this correctly, for an Intel i7, I would use march=prescott for a 32 bit OS. It also mentions march=core2 if using gcc 4.3 for a 64-bit OS. However, it has amd64 in brackets. So would this be for an amd system? Should I stick with march=native? Advice would be appreciated. Regards, Colleen -- Registered Linux User #411143 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org
Re: [gentoo-user] New computer and Gentoo
amd64 means any x86 64bit platform, so Intel too. march=native is good if you're not using distcc, or if you're only using distcc on core2 boxes. Otherwise be specific.
