Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 01:45, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 9/11/2010, at 9:03pm, Fatih Tümen wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 22:05, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The language of this list is English. You might be lucky and find someonewhounderstands French and knows the answer to your problem, but the odds arenotgood. I don't speak French at all, I can't even make jokes about leBigMacand get it right, so I can't help you much :-) I suggest you find and post to a French speaking list, or translate theFrencherror messages to English. Come on, there was nothing French there except 'Leaving directory' message preceded by its mnemonic 'make[1]':) The point is that I don't know that the error message translates to 'Leaving directory'. And it's the only error message there is. Sorry for assuming that the words 'quitant' and 'enterant' were trivial for a English speaker. Anyway that line was not an error line. Correct me if I am wrong but make usually [always?] shouts the errors with triple asteriks followed by error numbers as in: make[1]: *** [../../dist/public/dbm] Erreur 134 make: *** [export] Erreur 2 package name, make, and error nr are the keyword of my search. Isn't it possible for non-English speakers to set something like LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 in /etc/env.d/02locale and then simply `export LANG=en_GB.UTF-8` before posting their errors? If it is not a bug of portage to produce error messages in English on a system with non-English locale then it should be a feature of portage to reproduce all error messages in English. -- Fatih
[gentoo-user] GNS3 gentoo overlay
Hello all, I see the gns3 overlay link is broken http://code.gns3.net/gns3-overlay/file/ec6bc595d263/gns3-overlay-docs.txt Do any of you use gns3? what is the recommended way of installing it on gentoo? Regards, Coert Waagmeester
Re: [gentoo-user] GNS3 gentoo overlay SOLVED
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:52:08 +0200, Coert Waagmeester wrote: My bad, I found it after some more googling in the zugaina overlay. Eix is able to search overlays, installed and otherwise, for packages. In this case it shows that sunrise has a newer version that zuigana. -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 018: Unrecoverable error - System has been destroyed. Buy a new one. Old Windows licence is not valid anymore. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
Selon Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: I would try it with sandbox disabled. FEATURES=-*sandbox* your emerge command here It may work. Certainly worth a shot I guess. Bingo! For some reason, FEATURES=-*sandbox* emerge nss did'nt work (sandbox still used) when replacing FEATURE=...usersandbox by -sandbox launching emerge -u nss worked. Thanks Dale, Thanks Alan for helping in explaining why you can't help.
Re: [gentoo-user] GNS3 gentoo overlay SOLVED
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:52:08 +0200, Coert Waagmeester wrote: My bad, I found it after some more googling in the zugaina overlay. Eix is able to search overlays, installed and otherwise, for packages. In this case it shows that sunrise has a newer version that zuigana. Thanks Neil, The older version depended on a hard masked qt. This is indeed better!
Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Laptop battery not showing up in KDE, Smart Battery calibration
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 23:52, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a laptop running Gentoo (with dual-boot to Windows XP). It was manufactured in 2004 and battery life have been consistent for all those years. However, it sat dormant for almost a year, after which I did a few days worth of updating to bring it up to current kernel and ~amd64 package levels. There are two issues that have arisen: 1) The smart battery is not so smart anymore. It only charges about halfway, then the charging light turns green and it stops. Effective battery capacity is about one-third of what it used to be. From what I understand, while Li-ion don't have memory like old Ni-Cd batteries, the smart circuitry cannot account for power drain that happens when the battery is not in use. Say the battery lost half of its power while it was in storage, so the chip thinks charge is at one level when it is really much lower. When recharging, it stops when it is full even though it's only halfway there. Has anyone successfully re-calibrated one of these batteries to recognize a larger capacity? My understanding is that, to do this, I should discharge at a constant rate until it is empty, then charge to full. Repeat ?? times. I've drained the poor little battery after regular usage (not a constant rate of discharge) a few times and haven't noticed any change so far. So I'm probably doing it wrong (or completely misunderstanding...) AFAIK, this is the advised way to dis/charge Li-ion batteries to keep their performance up. But since you left it to sleep for a year, you probably lost some of the cells to death. You can perhaps try keep doing that not to loose any more of them. This is complicated by my second problem: 2) If I click on the Power Management in the KDE system settings, it says Number of CPUs 0 Number of batteries 0 and battery-related options are greyed out. Since battery monitoring does not work, I have no idea how much battery life is left and have no warning when it suddenly shuts down, causing filesystem corruption and who knows what other problems. Everything in /proc/acpi/battery/ seems normal and /proc/cpuinfo does as well: $ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/info present: yes design capacity: 4400 mAh last full capacity: 1984 mAh [..] $ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state present: yes capacity state: ok charging state: charged present rate: 0 mA remaining capacity: 1984 mAh present voltage: 16384 mV Only ~45% [1985/4400*100] of your battery seems to be alive. For reference, I have 3062/4400*100 ~70% of a 5 year old battery here and I have not paid attention to the above mentioned dis/charge advise. I don't know why KDE cannot read. Try to check ~/.xsession-error for some useful error. FYI the remaining battery level is calculated by the following formula FYI: remaining capacity / last full capacity * 100 If youre planning to use this battery, either try other battery monitors or have a script to calculate above values periodically and give a warning. Otherwise at some point your system will get as corrupted as your battery. Good luck. -- Fatih
[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone using consolekit?
On 11/09/2010 05:08 AM, 李健 wrote: I don't know how to solve this, but I hope the following messages may help you. Messages generated by process 14982 on 2010-10-18 23:54:00 CST for package sys-auth/polkit-0.96-r1: WARN: postinst If you don't use GDM or KDM for logging in, you must start your desktop environment (DE) as follows: ck-launch-session $STARTGUI Where $STARTGUI is a DE-starting command such as 'gnome-session'. You should add this to your ~/.xinitrc if you use startx. I don't know how I missed that message after emerging consolekit ten times, but I missed it. Thanks, I'll give that a try. 2010/11/6 walt w41...@gmail.com mailto:w41...@gmail.com When I turned on the consolekit useflag, all the nice auto-mounting stuff in gnome stopped working.
Re: [gentoo-user] GNS3 gentoo overlay SOLVED
Coert Waagmeester wrote: Hello all, I see the gns3 overlay link is broken http://code.gns3.net/gns3-overlay/file/ec6bc595d263/gns3-overlay-docs.txt Do any of you use gns3? what is the recommended way of installing it on gentoo? Regards, Coert Waagmeester My bad, I found it after some more googling in the zugaina overlay. Rgds, Coert
[gentoo-user] [OT] rsync question
Hi, the following behaviour of rsync puzzles me. I have the following situation Source/Athis is a symlink ! Dest/A this is a real directory now cd Dest/A rsync -auHz -ni --rsh=ssh --delete --exclude='/A/' source machine:Source/ . shows that it's going to delete the folder Dest/A Can anybody please explain me why? Thanks a lot, Helmut. (P.S. : I did google for it but couldn't find an explanation)
Re: [gentoo-user] suidperl missing after update to perl 5.12.2-r2
On Monday 08 November 2010 20.18:22 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 08.11.2010 15:02, schrieb Dan Johansson: Hi, After updating from dev-lang/perl-5.8.8-r8 to dev-lang/perl-5.12.2-r2 I am no missing the suidperl binary. Some of my perl scripts _need_ this feature. Any suggestion on how to be able to execute perl-scritps suid (except downgrade to 5.8.8). Hello, have you run perl-cleaner --phall after the update? If not, do so. No, only perl-cleaner --all was run. I have now run perl-cleaner --phall as well and it did not help - still no suidperl. Regards, -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! ***
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
I haven't read the entire thread and I don't intend to. The whole concept is so bizarre that I could not read it without thinking of the worst most evil bosses and environments I have worked on, and none of them even come close. It does remind me a bit of what I have read about computers back in the 1930s, and especially on the atom bomb projects. There would be a project leader who would have to break some formula down into little bitty steps which could be famed out to people running calculating machines. There would be a page of steps. The first few numbers would be filled in; each computer (being a human at this time) would follow one specific line, say 17 being the sum of 10 and 6, and pass the sheet on to someone else. Presumably hard problems had many pages, and someone would copy final numbers from one page to beginning numbers on another page. Not only did the steps have to be simple, they had to parallelize as much as possible, so multiple sheets could start at once, only coming together for the final calculations. But what really made it fascinating was that for anything secret, whether the atom bomb or mere commercial trade secrets, one of the goals was to make sure that no one who worked on any single sheet could have any idea of the overall project. You never put units on a sheet, never used familiar constants (5280 feet per mile), never ever ever let anyone have any idea what they were doing other than repeating line 6 + line 10 yields line 17. I would imagine that if you wanted to multiple miles by 5280 to get feet, you could split it into two steps on different sheets; one multiplied by 264, the other by 20, but probably more obfuscated. That is what Grant wants here, and it requires that the people he hire be mere mechanical monkeys. Anyone with any intelligence will run away from such a project faster than kryptonite diarrhea thru Superman. Grant, you need to stop being paranoid. I am surprised you even worked up the courage to let slip on here, in public, that you even have a sooper dooper sekrit project. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / fe...@crowfix.com GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
Am 10.11.2010 06:56, schrieb Grant Edwards: On 2010-11-09, Florian Philipp li...@f_philipp.fastmail.net wrote: Well, there are two ways to go here: 1. Modularize what you have. Give every developer only the source he is supposed to work on and binary interfaces (libs + header files for C/C++) and documentation for everything else. Then the devs will be able to run the software but no one will have all the source code. 2. Do not give working code to anyone. Define specs, test cases, prototypes and mock-ups. Then tell your devs to develop against these. When they have finished their modules (classes, units, whatever), it is your job to integrate these modules and see whether they work together as expected. If they don't, improve your specs and tests and give the code back to the devs for another iteration. I favor the second approach, especially as there are tools available to help you and it is safer against reverse-engineering. Both of these approaches are going to involve a lot of overhead (the second more so that the first). I would _guess_ than approach 2 will add at least 50-100% overhead. IOW, there's a pretty good chance that writing the whole thing yourself would take less of your time than designing, specifying, coordinating, integrating, testing and managing approach 2. [...] Sure. But it will be fun! ;) ... Just kidding. Unless specifications, inline interface documentation (doxygen, javadoc) and unit tests were already planned or even done (kudos if you actually do this while developing), you are probably right concerning the overhead. Of course it all depends on your development environment. When you get into the embedded, real-time, high-performance, high-security or high-redundancy realm, specifications etc. tend to become less overhead in comparison to actual coding and algorithmic effort. There are reasons why in some environments it is even affordable to create two independent implementations and then choose the better one. I highly doubt that we are actually talking about such software here, though. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Laptop battery not showing up in KDE, Smart Battery calibration
Hi, On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a laptop running Gentoo (with dual-boot to Windows XP). It was manufactured in 2004 and battery life have been consistent for all those years. However, it sat dormant for almost a year, after which I did a few days worth of updating to bring it up to current kernel and ~amd64 package levels. There are two issues that have arisen: 1) The smart battery is not so smart anymore. It only charges about halfway, then the charging light turns green and it stops. Effective battery capacity is about one-third of what it used to be. From what I understand, while Li-ion don't have memory like old Ni-Cd batteries, the smart circuitry cannot account for power drain that happens when the battery is not in use. Say the battery lost half of its power while it was in storage, so the chip thinks charge is at one level when it is really much lower. When recharging, it stops when it is full even though it's only halfway there. Has anyone successfully re-calibrated one of these batteries to recognize a larger capacity? My understanding is that, to do this, I should discharge at a constant rate until it is empty, then charge to full. Repeat ?? times. I've drained the poor little battery after regular usage (not a constant rate of discharge) a few times and haven't noticed any change so far. So I'm probably doing it wrong (or completely misunderstanding...) This is complicated by my second problem: 2) If I click on the Power Management in the KDE system settings, it says Number of CPUs 0 Number of batteries 0 and battery-related options are greyed out. Since battery monitoring does not work, I have no idea how much battery life is left and have no warning when it suddenly shuts down, causing filesystem corruption and who knows what other problems. I would guess that you are missing either hal or solid? Everything in /proc/acpi/battery/ seems normal and /proc/cpuinfo does as well: $ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/info present: yes design capacity: 4400 mAh last full capacity: 1984 mAh battery technology: rechargeable design voltage: 14800 mV design capacity warning: 300 mAh design capacity low: 100 mAh cycle count: 0 capacity granularity 1: 32 mAh capacity granularity 2: 32 mAh model number: 01ZG serial number: 1020 battery type: LION OEM info: SMP $ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state present: yes capacity state: ok charging state: charged present rate: 0 mA remaining capacity: 1984 mAh present voltage: 16384 mV $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 15 model : 28 model name : Mobile AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+ stepping : 0 cpu MHz : 2000.000 cache size : 512 KB fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good bogomips : 4009.21 TLB size : 1024 4K pages clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts fid vid ttp That all seems to look normal to me, so I'm not sure if I'm missing some setting somewhere else. Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Paul Best regards Petri Rosenström
Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Laptop battery not showing up in KDE, Smart Battery calibration
2010/11/10 Fatih Tümen fthtmn+gen...@gmail.com: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 23:52, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a laptop running Gentoo (with dual-boot to Windows XP). It was manufactured in 2004 and battery life have been consistent for all those years. However, it sat dormant for almost a year, after which I did a few days worth of updating to bring it up to current kernel and ~amd64 package levels. There are two issues that have arisen: 1) The smart battery is not so smart anymore. It only charges about halfway, then the charging light turns green and it stops. Effective battery capacity is about one-third of what it used to be. From what I understand, while Li-ion don't have memory like old Ni-Cd batteries, the smart circuitry cannot account for power drain that happens when the battery is not in use. Say the battery lost half of its power while it was in storage, so the chip thinks charge is at one level when it is really much lower. When recharging, it stops when it is full even though it's only halfway there. Has anyone successfully re-calibrated one of these batteries to recognize a larger capacity? My understanding is that, to do this, I should discharge at a constant rate until it is empty, then charge to full. Repeat ?? times. I've drained the poor little battery after regular usage (not a constant rate of discharge) a few times and haven't noticed any change so far. So I'm probably doing it wrong (or completely misunderstanding...) AFAIK, this is the advised way to dis/charge Li-ion batteries to keep their performance up. But since you left it to sleep for a year, you probably lost some of the cells to death. You can perhaps try keep doing that not to loose any more of them. After consulting my laptop manual, it recommends doing full discharge/charge cycle once a month, to remove battery when operating solely on AC power, and to remove battery when laptop is not in use. I didn't do any of those things. If youre planning to use this battery, either try other battery monitors or have a script to calculate above values periodically and give a warning. Otherwise at some point your system will get as corrupted as your battery. Good luck. Thanks, it seems my poor batteries may have been killed then. My laptop used to last about 90 minutes in Linux or 2.5 hours in Windows XP, at the beginning of this year. Under extreme load (frequency scaling disabled) it would last about 30 minutes. Last night I took it to full charge, put in memtest86+ boot CD and the system lasted 9 minutes before battery was drained. So that matches the 1/3 batter life I experienced under normal usage, too. I just read somewhere on WWW that sometimes better calibration can be achieved by leaving battery completely drained for some time (more than 5 hours) before plugging the charger back in. So I'll try that as one last desperate hope. If the cells are dead then I can't do any more harm to them so why not try it? :) Now, since this is an old laptop (6 years) I am skeptical about buying a replacement battery that may have been sitting in a stockroom for several years. Local battery store wants more than US$100 for a name brand replacement (Rayovac). Online, I can find one for less than half that price, but I am really suspicious about the quality. My past experience of buying generic laptop batteries online has not been good. Don't fit properly, poor lifespan, etc. Of course Acer does not sell the batteries for my laptop anymore, so getting an original battery is not an option. Has anyone tried to replace the cells inside their own battery? I'm reading this site: http://www.electronics-lab.com/articles/Li_Ion_reconstruct/ Seems kind of dangerous... I can't price the cells because I haven't opened my battery pack, so I don't know if it's really any cheaper than buying a new one.
Re: [gentoo-user] Suspect fs, or suspect disk, or something else?
On 9 November 2010 23:30, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 9/11/2010, at 4:04pm, Alex Schuster wrote: ... I need to mention here that the machine is a laptop which I use regularly on train journeys (bumpy ride). The drive has a Seagate G-Force Protection™ which is meant to park the head in case of a fall. Which probably would not help in the train, unless you drop it there. Further to Alex's comment: the G-Force Protection™ probably parks the head in the event that the laptop goes weightless (a cheap sensor built into the drive would be quite adequate to detect that), but it probably takes half a second to do so. In the case of up and down jolts I'm not sure that it would detect those the same way - maybe it is indeed clever enough to do so, but would it have time to park the head? Thank you all, I have now completed exhaustive (and exhausting) tests with memtest86+, memtester and badblocks. They did not show errors. So if I am to believe all the results I have gathered the disk and memory should be OK. Have you had any problems with this Seagate Momentus 7200? Have you had any fs corruptions with Reiser4? -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] suidperl missing after update to perl 5.12.2-r2
On 8/11/2010, at 2:02pm, Dan Johansson wrote: ... After updating from dev-lang/perl-5.8.8-r8 to dev-lang/perl-5.12.2-r2 I am no missing the suidperl binary. Some of my perl scripts _need_ this feature. Any suggestion on how to be able to execute perl-scritps suid (except downgrade to 5.8.8). I've been slightly paranoid after a couple of recent updates, so looked to see on my system, and it doesn't have suidperl, either. So I googled it for you: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344945 Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
Am 10.11.2010 17:44, schrieb fe...@crowfix.com: I haven't read the entire thread and I don't intend to. The whole concept is so bizarre that I could not read it without thinking of the worst most evil bosses and environments I have worked on, and none of them even come close. It does remind me a bit of what I have read about computers back in the 1930s, and especially on the atom bomb projects. There would be a project leader who would have to break some formula down into little bitty steps which could be famed out to people running calculating machines. There would be a page of steps. The first few numbers would be filled in; each computer (being a human at this time) would follow one specific line, say 17 being the sum of 10 and 6, and pass the sheet on to someone else. Presumably hard problems had many pages, and someone would copy final numbers from one page to beginning numbers on another page. Not only did the steps have to be simple, they had to parallelize as much as possible, so multiple sheets could start at once, only coming together for the final calculations. But what really made it fascinating was that for anything secret, whether the atom bomb or mere commercial trade secrets, one of the goals was to make sure that no one who worked on any single sheet could have any idea of the overall project. You never put units on a sheet, never used familiar constants (5280 feet per mile), never ever ever let anyone have any idea what they were doing other than repeating line 6 + line 10 yields line 17. I would imagine that if you wanted to multiple miles by 5280 to get feet, you could split it into two steps on different sheets; one multiplied by 264, the other by 20, but probably more obfuscated. That reminds me of its modern successor: Secure computation [1] In a nutshell: Do arbitrary computations with data from different organizations who do not want to share their source data with each other. They only want to share the final result. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_multi-party_computation signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] suidperl missing after update to perl 5.12.2-r2
On Wednesday 10 November 2010 18.17:19 Stroller wrote: On 8/11/2010, at 2:02pm, Dan Johansson wrote: ... After updating from dev-lang/perl-5.8.8-r8 to dev-lang/perl-5.12.2-r2 I am no missing the suidperl binary. Some of my perl scripts _need_ this feature. Any suggestion on how to be able to execute perl-scritps suid (except downgrade to 5.8.8). I've been slightly paranoid after a couple of recent updates, so looked to see on my system, and it doesn't have suidperl, either. So I googled it for you: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344945 Yeah, I have seen that too (after I started this thread). What I'm looking for now is some wrapper functionality for my CGI-script. Regards, -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! ***
Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Laptop battery not showing up in KDE, Smart Battery calibration
On Wednesday 10 November 2010 18:05:40 Paul Hartman wrote: 2010/11/10 Fatih Tümen fthtmn+gen...@gmail.com: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 23:52, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, snipped Last night I took it to full charge, put in memtest86+ boot CD and the system lasted 9 minutes before battery was drained. So that matches the 1/3 batter life I experienced under normal usage, too. I just read somewhere on WWW that sometimes better calibration can be achieved by leaving battery completely drained for some time (more than 5 hours) before plugging the charger back in. So I'll try that as one last desperate hope. If the cells are dead then I can't do any more harm to them so why not try it? :) If these are discharged too far (The circuitry in the battery-pack should prevent this) the cells can get permanently damaged. This seems to have happened. Best practices for batteries (any type, apart from Lead Acid ;) ) is to take them out of the laptop when running for long periods from the mains. This is to prevent the batteries from being constantly charged. Now, since this is an old laptop (6 years) I am skeptical about buying a replacement battery that may have been sitting in a stockroom for several years. Local battery store wants more than US$100 for a name brand replacement (Rayovac). Online, I can find one for less than half that price, but I am really suspicious about the quality. My past experience of buying generic laptop batteries online has not been good. Don't fit properly, poor lifespan, etc. snipped If these batteries have been charged to 70% before storage, they can last a while, but one should still top them up to 70% once every year or so. Has anyone tried to replace the cells inside their own battery? I'm reading this site: http://www.electronics-lab.com/articles/Li_Ion_reconstruct/ Seems kind of dangerous... I can't price the cells because I haven't opened my battery pack, so I don't know if it's really any cheaper than buying a new one. Actually, it is dangerous and I wouldn't trust the batterypack anywhere near my laptop after a procedure like that. If the soldering isn't done correctly, the battery-pack can literally explode when put under load. -- Joost Roeleveld
Re: [gentoo-user] suidperl missing after update to perl 5.12.2-r2
On 10/11/2010, at 6:04pm, Dan Johansson wrote: On Wednesday 10 November 2010 18.17:19 Stroller wrote: On 8/11/2010, at 2:02pm, Dan Johansson wrote: ... After updating from dev-lang/perl-5.8.8-r8 to dev-lang/perl-5.12.2-r2 I am no missing the suidperl binary. Some of my perl scripts _need_ this feature. Any suggestion on how to be able to execute perl-scritps suid (except downgrade to 5.8.8). I've been slightly paranoid after a couple of recent updates, so looked to see on my system, and it doesn't have suidperl, either. So I googled it for you: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344945 Yeah, I have seen that too (after I started this thread). What I'm looking for now is some wrapper functionality for my CGI-script. Well, if you don't think this decision will be reviewed, have you tried digging out the previous version of the rebuild (CVS attic, if necessary), and copying it to /usr/local/portage/dev-lang/perl/perl-5.12.2-r2.ebuild ? Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Swing !
Hi, I am a little confused. I am compiled SuperCollider3 from source. When started, it complains of not finding swing. As far as I know, Swing is part of the java sdk. Is it? Or what can trigger this message? Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit-Executables on a AMD64 system...
Coert Waagmeester lgro...@waagmeester.co.za [10-11-10 18:40]: meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, it is possible to run a 32-bit binary executable on a 64-bit system (AMD64). But: Is it possible to compile source code on a 64-bit system and get an 32-bit executable a the result ??? And if 'yes'...how??? Thank you very much for any help in advance! Best regards, mcc Hello Meino, My setup is one 32bit pc with gentoo and another 64bit pc with gentoo I managed to get this going on the 64bit with a 32-bit chroot, distcc, and crosstools Just make sure you compiled your kernel with IA32 binary support (should be default) Here are some links: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1chap=2 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml?part=1chap=2 Regards, Coert Waagmeester Hi Coert, thanks a lot for your informations and the links! :) I will see, how I will proceed... Best regards mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] suidperl missing after update to perl 5.12.2-r2
Apparently, though unproven, at 20:40 on Wednesday 10 November 2010, Stroller did opine thusly: On 10/11/2010, at 6:04pm, Dan Johansson wrote: On Wednesday 10 November 2010 18.17:19 Stroller wrote: On 8/11/2010, at 2:02pm, Dan Johansson wrote: ... After updating from dev-lang/perl-5.8.8-r8 to dev-lang/perl-5.12.2-r2 I am no missing the suidperl binary. Some of my perl scripts _need_ this feature. Any suggestion on how to be able to execute perl-scritps suid (except downgrade to 5.8.8). I've been slightly paranoid after a couple of recent updates, so looked to see on my system, and it doesn't have suidperl, either. So I googled it for you: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344945 Yeah, I have seen that too (after I started this thread). What I'm looking for now is some wrapper functionality for my CGI-script. Well, if you don't think this decision will be reviewed, have you tried digging out the previous version of the rebuild (CVS attic, if necessary), and copying it to /usr/local/portage/dev-lang/perl/perl-5.12.2-r2.ebuild ? Stroller. We don't know the specifics of what Dan wants to do, but I would definitely recommend the use of sudo. suidperl always seemed a botch job to me, and effort to get something to work at any cost. Almost exactly the same thought process that led to suid itself (I'm not arguing against suid, I don't know any other easy way to achieve that result - I just resent the need for there to be a suid at all.) I almost never want to run something as root. I usually want a specific user to be able to run something as root under specific circumstances or times. And all those specifics can be configured into /etc/sudoers, even down to no password being needed. It does mean a litte more work to set sudo up properly, but IMHO it's usually worth the effort. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from FX-5200 to a GeForce 6200 512MB
Dale wrote: According to top, gkrellm and cat /proc/meminfo there is no swap in use. I have 2Gbs of ram and have swappiness set to 20 or 30. I rarely use swap unless I am compiling something huge, OOo comes to mind, or have a LOT of images open with GIMP. I did check to make sure tho. My swappiness did get magically changed once before. I wish it was something that easy tho. Still open to ideas. I started a emerge -e world. Dale :-) :-) Just to update here. I started a emerge -e world. It has not even finished yet but it appears to be working fine now. It was working yesterday, last night, this morning and was working fine when I tried just a minute ago. So, it appears that something needed to be recompiled somewhere but no clue what that could have been. I'll keep testing over the next few days and may report back if it is still working correctly. I hope that it does tho. It was getting on my nerves. Thanks for the ideas and help. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Colors of the USE flags in emerge --pretend
Hi , When running emerge -p for some package , one gets for each dependency and package a list of USE flags at the end of the line. some are colored in red , some blue what are the differences ? Thanks, Benny
Re: [gentoo-user] Colors of the USE flags in emerge --pretend
Am 10.11.2010 21:37, schrieb Benyamin Dvoskin: Hi , When running emerge -p for some package , one gets for each dependency and package a list of USE flags at the end of the line. some are colored in red , some blue what are the differences ? Thanks, Benny Hi, for me red is enabled and blue disabled. _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X / \ ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org Regards kh
Re: [gentoo-user] Colors of the USE flags in emerge --pretend
Benyamin Dvoskin wrote: Hi , When running emerge -p for some package , one gets for each dependency and package a list of USE flags at the end of the line. some are colored in red , some blue what are the differences ? Thanks, Benny From the emerge man page: [ebuild U ] sys-devel/distcc-2.16 [2.13-r1] USE=ipv6* -gtk -qt% Here we see that the make.conf variable USE affects how this package is built. In this example, ipv6 optional support is enabled and both gtk and qt support are disabled. The asterisk following ipv6 indicates that ipv6 support was disabled the last time this packages was installed. The per- cent sign following qt indicates that the qt option has been added to the package since it was last installed. For information about all USE symbols, see the --verbose option documentation above. *Note: Flags that haven't changed since the last install are only displayed when you use the --pretend and --verbose options. Using the --quiet option will prevent all information from being displayed. The colors tend to follow what is being changed to make it more noticeable. I think red is disabled or something to that effect. I don't pay to much attention to the colors, I look for the percent sign for changes. Keep in mind that you can change or disable those colors locally too. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote: Selon Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com: I would try it with sandbox disabled. FEATURES=-*sandbox*your emerge command here It may work. Certainly worth a shot I guess. Bingo! For some reason, FEATURES=-*sandbox* emerge nss did'nt work (sandbox still used) when replacing FEATURE=...usersandbox by -sandbox launching emerge -u nss worked. Thanks Dale, Thanks Alan for helping in explaining why you can't help. You're welcome. I wasn't sure it would help but it couldn't hurt to try it at least. Sometimes things won't compile with sandbox just like sometimes you can't use more than one core to compile a package. I guess one gets ahead of the other or something. When grasping at straws, grab all you can. lol Glad you got it fixed. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: When ls command fails but only on $HOME
* Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Just to close this thread... a reboot swept away all `ls' problems so still not sure what caused it, but am happily having normal experience with `ls' once again. Might well be that the reboot caused an fsck run, which fixed the problems. cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weig...@metux.de mobile: +49 151 27565287 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
Re: [gentoo-user] Converting RCS/CVS to git
* fe...@crowfix.com fe...@crowfix.com wrote: I found git has a cvsimport command, but it complained that cvs didn't recognize the server command, and some hints I saw of requiring cvs 2 made me pause ... all I can see is cvs 1.12. echo dev-vcs/cvs server /etc/portage/package.use emerge -1 cvs I am not excited at git expecting a cvs server; I'll be danged if I'm going to muck around with that just to convert a few files when git has direct access to the ,v files themselves. You dont need to have an cvs server listening on some port. git-cvsimport just uses the cvs server command to check out individual revisions. Directly working on *,v files would require an completely separate implementation, just for the special case of importing local repos. cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weig...@metux.de mobile: +49 151 27565287 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
Re: [gentoo-user] Colors of the USE flags in emerge --pretend
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Benyamin Dvoskin benyamin.dvos...@gmail.com wrote: Hi , When running emerge -p for some package , one gets for each dependency and package a list of USE flags at the end of the line. some are colored in red , some blue what are the differences ? It's a little confusing but you can see the the portage colors by doing: man color.map
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: VMware - Linux kernel yield() functionality is disabled.
* Remy Blank remy.bl...@pobox.com wrote: Put your /etc under SVN, or Mercurial, or whatever revision control system du jour. Bonus points if you manage to store file and directory permissions in there as well. Is there a way to tell portage to conf-protected files under some prefix ? This would allow easy integration into an semi-automated vcs workflow. cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weig...@metux.de mobile: +49 151 27565287 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from FX-5200 to a GeForce 6200 512MB
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:18 on Wednesday 10 November 2010, Dale did opine thusly: Dale wrote: According to top, gkrellm and cat /proc/meminfo there is no swap in use. I have 2Gbs of ram and have swappiness set to 20 or 30. I rarely use swap unless I am compiling something huge, OOo comes to mind, or have a LOT of images open with GIMP. I did check to make sure tho. My swappiness did get magically changed once before. I wish it was something that easy tho. Still open to ideas. I started a emerge -e world. Dale :-) :-) Just to update here. I started a emerge -e world. It has not even finished yet but it appears to be working fine now. It was working yesterday, last night, this morning and was working fine when I tried just a minute ago. So, it appears that something needed to be recompiled somewhere but no clue what that could have been. I'll keep testing over the next few days and may report back if it is still working correctly. I hope that it does tho. It was getting on my nerves. Useful tip to keep in mind: Sometimes emerge -e world works out great. It's way overkill mostly but unlike a sledgehammer to kill a mosquito, doesn't break the wall as well as kill the insect :-) IIRC, revdep-rebuild came about from the same line of thought. Some libs were being wrongly linked or linked to missing stuff and it was a huge ball-ache to find them all. Imagine running ldd on every binary and grepping for not found :-) It might even have been a glibc update (memory weak this end). revdep-rebuild finds the easily detectable stuff. But there's other problems that can happen with binaries that are not so easy to check (or not known to the dev), and none of the Gentoo tools help locate the culprit. emerge -e world will just rebuild everything in sight with the nice side effect of taking care of these mysterious problems. Hello sledgehammer. Pity that it can't record what it fixed though. It's interesting to see why Ubuntu and other binary distros never have this problem. First, they don't rip foundation libs out underneath a running system and insert different ones on the fly, and the API/ABI of their libs doesn't change for the life of that release of the distro. Plus, their build farms that generate new rpms/debs/pkgs nightly, essentially do the equivalent of a full emerge -e world daily and copy the binaries to the download server So sometimes when all else fails and suicide seems attractive, this is a workable approach that can help. Now if we can just get the gcc upgrade docs changed to reflect intelligent reality, we can get newbies to grok that emerge -e world is not suitable for the *first* fault-finding tool one uses -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Colors of the USE flags in emerge --pretend
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:37 on Wednesday 10 November 2010, Benyamin Dvoskin did opine thusly: Hi , When running emerge -p for some package , one gets for each dependency and package a list of USE flags at the end of the line. some are colored in red , some blue what are the differences ? Thanks, Benny You got three correct answers, so I won't repeat them here. I would like to ask you to switch HTML mail OFF please. Folks on this mailing list prefer good old simple plaintext only. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: VMware - Linux kernel yield() functionality is disabled.
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:37 on Wednesday 10 November 2010, Enrico Weigelt did opine thusly: * Remy Blank remy.bl...@pobox.com wrote: Put your /etc under SVN, or Mercurial, or whatever revision control system du jour. Bonus points if you manage to store file and directory permissions in there as well. Is there a way to tell portage to conf-protected files under some prefix ? This would allow easy integration into an semi-automated vcs workflow. CONFIG_PROTECT in make.conf(5) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Colors of the USE flags in emerge --pretend
sure sorry about the HTML ... :) On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 22:37 on Wednesday 10 November 2010, Benyamin Dvoskin did opine thusly: Hi , When running emerge -p for some package , one gets for each dependency and package a list of USE flags at the end of the line. some are colored in red , some blue what are the differences ? Thanks, Benny You got three correct answers, so I won't repeat them here. I would like to ask you to switch HTML mail OFF please. Folks on this mailing list prefer good old simple plaintext only. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit-Executables on a AMD64 system...
* meino.cra...@gmx.de meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Is there a toolchain already setup for cross-compiling 32-bit executables on a AMD64 system, or do I have to do all that cross- compiling magic by myself ? crosstool-ng If you want a build system for crosscompiling, you might like to look at Briegel. cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weig...@metux.de mobile: +49 151 27565287 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit-Executables on a AMD64 system...
* meino.cra...@gmx.de meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: gr...@kraken ~ $ gcc -o a.out.64 test.c gr...@kraken ~ $ gcc -m32 -o a.out.32 test.c gr...@kraken ~ $ file a.out.* a.out.32: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not stripped a.out.64: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not stripped gr...@kraken ~ $ Br, Maciej Grela Oh YEAH! That's a definition of straight forward I do like very much! Thanks a lot, Maciej! You saved me a lot of half defunct bits ! ;) Only for the specific case that your target system has the same system libraries (and you have a *full* multilib installation) as the building system. If you want to crosscompile, you *most likely* want sysroot too. cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weig...@metux.de mobile: +49 151 27565287 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit-Executables on a AMD64 system...
* Coert Waagmeester lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: My setup is one 32bit pc with gentoo and another 64bit pc with gentoo I managed to get this going on the 64bit with a 32-bit chroot, distcc, and crosstools Why do you need an 32bit chroot if you're going to use an crosscompiler anyways ? Just make sure you compiled your kernel with IA32 binary support (should be default) The _target_ kernel has to support the IA32 ABI. The host (building) might be better off w/o it (better detection of build errors). cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weig...@metux.de mobile: +49 151 27565287 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: VMware - Linux kernel yield() functionality is disabled.
* Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:37 on Wednesday 10 November 2010, Enrico Weigelt did opine thusly: * Remy Blank remy.bl...@pobox.com wrote: Put your /etc under SVN, or Mercurial, or whatever revision control system du jour. Bonus points if you manage to store file and directory permissions in there as well. Is there a way to tell portage to conf-protected files under some prefix ? This would allow easy integration into an semi-automated vcs workflow. CONFIG_PROTECT in make.conf(5) According to the manpage, this only tells which directories should be config-protect'ed. What I need is that these files should be put under some prefix (w/ the same hierachy/names) instead of renamed to ._cfg*. cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weig...@metux.de mobile: +49 151 27565287 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: VMware - Linux kernel yield() functionality is disabled.
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:02 on Thursday 11 November 2010, Enrico Weigelt did opine thusly: * Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:37 on Wednesday 10 November 2010, Enrico Weigelt did opine thusly: * Remy Blank remy.bl...@pobox.com wrote: Put your /etc under SVN, or Mercurial, or whatever revision control system du jour. Bonus points if you manage to store file and directory permissions in there as well. Is there a way to tell portage to conf-protected files under some prefix ? This would allow easy integration into an semi-automated vcs workflow. CONFIG_PROTECT in make.conf(5) According to the manpage, this only tells which directories should be config-protect'ed. What I need is that these files should be put under some prefix (w/ the same hierachy/names) instead of renamed to ._cfg*. What version of portage are you running? Mine is 2.2.0_alpha4 and the man page says: CONFIG_PROTECT = [space delimited list of files and/or directories] All files and/or directories that are defined here will have config file protection enabled for them. See the CONFIGURATION FILES section of emerge(1) for more information. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE
Lately I've been getting this MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE error. It only happens when I'm logged into my home amd64 box from my office x86 box. I use ssh -X ip.add.res.s to log in. Everything seems to work and save fine except for the error message and not being able to run an x-application remotely. The first error occurs when I try to run an x-application remotely. $ jpilot Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyInvalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key (jpilot:16276): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:11.0 The second error occurs after I exit a file from a text editor. $ vi file.txt Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyInvalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key I've been doing this for years without any problems and this probably started in the last month or so. I've seen a few things on line, but nothing that looks right. I also don't want to run the xhost+ command. Any ideas? Thanks, --dhk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: VMware - Linux kernel yield() functionality is disabled.
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:18:08 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
According to the manpage, this only tells which directories should
be config-protect'ed. What I need is that these files should be put
under some prefix (w/ the same hierachy/names) instead of renamed
to ._cfg*.
What version of portage are you running?
Mine is 2.2.0_alpha4 and the man page says:
CONFIG_PROTECT = [space delimited list of files and/or
directories] All files and/or directories that are defined here will
have config file
protection enabled for them. See the
CONFIGURATION FILES section of
emerge(1) for more information.
I think what Enrico is getting at is storing the new config files
somewhere else, instead of the original path with the name prefixed
by ._cfg.
Such a move would break {etc,conf,cfg}-update for no real benefit. What
is the point of including these files in a VCS if you already have the
files they are to replace under VCS?
--
Neil Bothwick
Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs.
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Re: [gentoo-user] MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:35:20 -0500, dhk wrote: Lately I've been getting this MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE error. It only happens when I'm logged into my home amd64 box from my office x86 box. I use ssh -X ip.add.res.s to log in. Have you tried using -Y instead of -X? -- Neil Bothwick Voting Democrat or Republican is like choosing a cabin in the Titanic. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
Grant, you need to stop being paranoid. I am surprised you even worked up the courage to let slip on here, in public, that you even have a sooper dooper sekrit project. This seems to be the general consensus. You see, I don't have a computer science degree and about 75% of what I know about Linux I learned on this list. Apparently this idea of mine is not a good one. The sekrit isn't really a secret, it's just a mature piece of ordinary software. Most if not all of you wouldn't be interested in receiving it for free, but people in the right industry would like to have it and I'd like to keep it for myself. Surely there is room for private software even in an open source world. So it's either trust your coders or do it yourself? My budget is small and the coders I can afford are outside of the US. I'd be working with them via chat, email, or phone. Should I feel OK about turning my source over to them? Should I only hire coders I can sit in the same room with? - Grant
[gentoo-user] Re: netbook
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: This isn't such a problem with 10 netbooks where the keyboards tend to be around 92% of full size. On the other hand, my old Eee PC 900 didn't work well with my fat fingers (the fat fingers are on both hands, not just the other one). Thanks for all the good view pionts on hardware. I'll post back when I find potential hardware. I do like the idea of SSD, but I am leaning towards a HD for now, but in a 10 screen for small size. Web and email are most it is for, but, I do want the kid to be able to boot W7 and Gentoo, as the teachers at school want windoze.. His pals all like Ubuntoo, so I figured I'd set up Gentoo on his box (or show him the manual) and help him with the install.He's been using Gentoo for a couple of years. Now it's time to deepen the learning curve. cheers! James
[gentoo-user] Re: DNSSEC
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: My first spot of advice would be to use unbound as your caching servers - Yes, I'm going to play around with unbound first. PowerDNS is a fine auth server. If it suits your needs I'd recommend you try it first. I don't know about it's DNSSEC abilities or feature roadmap - it's been a long time since I looked closely at it. Lack of ACLs is what killed PowerDNS for us, I still feel sad about that Ok, I'll look into PowerDNS too. Research for a while. To the other posters, I might be rusty with DNS servers, but, certainly not security nor circuit nor interface monitoring... James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from FX-5200 to a GeForce 6200 512MB
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 22:18 on Wednesday 10 November 2010, Dale did opine thusly: Dale wrote: According to top, gkrellm and cat /proc/meminfo there is no swap in use. I have 2Gbs of ram and have swappiness set to 20 or 30. I rarely use swap unless I am compiling something huge, OOo comes to mind, or have a LOT of images open with GIMP. I did check to make sure tho. My swappiness did get magically changed once before. I wish it was something that easy tho. Still open to ideas. I started a emerge -e world. Dale :-) :-) Just to update here. I started a emerge -e world. It has not even finished yet but it appears to be working fine now. It was working yesterday, last night, this morning and was working fine when I tried just a minute ago. So, it appears that something needed to be recompiled somewhere but no clue what that could have been. I'll keep testing over the next few days and may report back if it is still working correctly. I hope that it does tho. It was getting on my nerves. Useful tip to keep in mind: Sometimes emerge -e world works out great. It's way overkill mostly but unlike a sledgehammer to kill a mosquito, doesn't break the wall as well as kill the insect :-) IIRC, revdep-rebuild came about from the same line of thought. Some libs were being wrongly linked or linked to missing stuff and it was a huge ball-ache to find them all. Imagine running ldd on every binary and grepping for not found :-) It might even have been a glibc update (memory weak this end). revdep-rebuild finds the easily detectable stuff. But there's other problems that can happen with binaries that are not so easy to check (or not known to the dev), and none of the Gentoo tools help locate the culprit. emerge -e world will just rebuild everything in sight with the nice side effect of taking care of these mysterious problems. Hello sledgehammer. Pity that it can't record what it fixed though. It's interesting to see why Ubuntu and other binary distros never have this problem. First, they don't rip foundation libs out underneath a running system and insert different ones on the fly, and the API/ABI of their libs doesn't change for the life of that release of the distro. Plus, their build farms that generate new rpms/debs/pkgs nightly, essentially do the equivalent of a full emerge -e world daily and copy the binaries to the download server So sometimes when all else fails and suicide seems attractive, this is a workable approach that can help. Now if we can just get the gcc upgrade docs changed to reflect intelligent reality, we can get newbies to grok that emerge -e world is not suitable for the *first* fault-finding tool one uses Yea, this for me was only considered when there was no more ideas coming. People posted ideas and I tried different things but it still messed up with no error that I could find. I guess I could have just did a emerge -e nvidia-drivers and that would have rebuilt everything needed by nvidia and should in theory have worked. I do wish I knew what fixed it tho. It may be a bug or like when we have to rebuild keyboard and mouse drivers after a xorg update. It may be something that others need to know about as well. Right now, we don't know what was wrong. This particular hammer just hit everything instead of one nail that was popping up. I just checked again, it is still working. I'm liking that I can watch a video whenever I want instead of when it decides to work. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Command-line wicd?
On 05/11/10 04:44, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 04 November 2010 17:22:28 Neil Bothwick wrote: Wicd also has an X use flag. I've just tried emerge -p wicd on a headless (and Xless) box and it didn't try to pull in any X related packages. You'll have to try USE=-X -gtk -qt4 emerge -pvt wicd see what is pulling in X, add USE flags to the command, rinse and repeat. That it can be done is not in doubt, whether it is worth the effort is. Personally, I USE=eth0 when installing Gentoo on a laptop. I see what you mean. I'll do that. Thanks all. j...@aus10224 ~ $ equery hasuse eth0 * Searching for USE flag eth0 ... j...@aus10224 ~ $ Am I missing something here? I never heard of that use flag before. Jake Moe
Re: [gentoo-user] Command-line wicd?
On Thursday 11 November 2010 02:35:21 Jake Moe wrote: On 05/11/10 04:44, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 04 November 2010 17:22:28 Neil Bothwick wrote: [...] Personally, I USE=eth0 when installing Gentoo on a laptop. I see what you mean. I'll do that. Thanks all. j...@aus10224 ~ $ equery hasuse eth0 * Searching for USE flag eth0 ... j...@aus10224 ~ $ Am I missing something here? I never heard of that use flag before. It isn't a USE flag; it's a way of connecting to the network. You know: set the Ethernet connection up in /etc/conf.d/net as described in the installation handbook. (I think Neil's caps-lock key stayed on a bit too long.) -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: netbook
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 01:31:08AM +, James wrote Thanks for all the good view pionts on hardware. Do *NOT* get a machine with a Poulsbo video chip. It supported one version of the linux kernel at release time, with a proprietary blob. No updates since. And as we all know, kernel upgrades and Xorg upgrades kill compatability with binary blob video drivers every so often. What was sold as a 1366x768 Windows machine with decent video speed is now a 1024x768 VESA-driven display that sucks at Youtube video playback. It works for general browsing+email, but I could use some extra screen pixels. Poulsbo is a 3rd-party that Intel subcontracted for the video chip. Intel doesn't own, and cannot release the Poulsbo api. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
