Re: [Gimp-developer] Baby photos
Hi, Simon Budig wrote: Markus Triska ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Maybe Dave can explain to you why he did so, and you can then try convincing him that he put the picture back, if this is what you want, but please keep me out of that. Uh, this is getting too hot for me, let Dave pick the potatoes from the fire since he is the one who implemented my wish. How convenient. Please bear in mind the origin of the mail (me, not Markus). Indeed, as has been said, the original mail was the trigger - until I had received that mail it would never have occurred to me that the screenshot could be viewed sexually. After the mail, that thought did occur to me. Perhaps if it were me and not Thomas, I wouldn't mind, but, well, I don't apply the same standards to myself as I do to my behaviour with respect to my son. [1] Please note, that the removal of the image does not necessarily mean, that Dave agrees with your opinions on a rational level. His description of the events very clearly indicates an emotional reaction - this is by far easier to accept for me than your poking in the fog. Yeah, this is pretty accurate... in general I think baby photos are great, and I have no problem showing photos of Thomas to more or less anyone. But this discussion (or rather, the original mail) made me see a popular website's place in the internet slightly differently. I'd appreciate it if we could let this thread drop, though. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Baby photos (was: Gimp 2.0)
I can think of a lot of reasons for Dave to a) remove the image and b) keep the image removed. This discussion being the first one (even without considering the positions exchanged [1]). I certainly won't ask him to put it up again because this is of no vital interest to me. I know that it was me who triggered that. Why can't you believe this? I hope Dave will clarify this on the list so that you can take it for granted. What a pity. This could have been an interesting discussion. One of the reasons that I will not discuss this with you is that I feel you are more interested in discussing per se than what happens to the baby and the photo. Discussing is of no interest to me with regards to this picture. I felt it should not be on the site, for the baby's sake, and Dave felt so, too. There is no way for me to make you feel so, too, because you are so attached to the wording I choose, and to the structure of my arguments. To convince Dave, I needed no arguments, and no structure, but a short message sufficed. That Dave removed his own picture should be enough argument for you. This is not getting too hot for me, but I consider it a waste of time to discuss with persons of your mindset. I knew that Dave would not be that kind of person, and that is why I mailed him privately. I never wanted to discuss this on the Gimp developer's list. All I can do know is not defend myself, but to clarify the wording of the private mail I sent to Dave for all you others, who never were intended to see it. Best regards, Markus Triska. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] RE: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 19, Issue 24
This is news to me! where did Jesus say that? He might be refering to Luke 18, 15-17. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Come on guys and gals!
Let's hear more about actual GIMP development on this list, eh? :) It looks like the response to 2.0 has been positive albeit muted. Congratulations to all, and luck with 2.2... --Adam -- Adam D. Moss . ,,^^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.foxbox.org/ co:3 ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] status report from the development branch
Hi, Nathan Carl Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I figured that the plug-in is not working correctly at the moment. Not sure what exactly is going wrong but there's some debugging needed here. I'm not sure what the problem you are having is, but I can say that last time I looked at the windows .ICO plugin it didn't support multiple-bitdepth icons, at least on saving. Well, the plug-in that is now in CVS does support this. But it looks as if I introduced a bug when cleaning up the code and porting to GTK+-2.4. Shouldn't be hard to fix but someone needs to look at it. I mentioned this because I hope that someone else but me can have a look at this problem. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] what's wrong about this list [was: Gimp 2.0]
Hi, Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Currently, I think that having a look at the ChangeLog is the best way (although cumbersome) to figure out who is working on what. Maybe we could make this easier by processing the ChangeLog automatically, analyzing who is working on what and publishing a list of the top contributors to each part of the code in the last N months (e.g., stats per directory in the source tree). That would not be perfect, but maybe it would be better than what we have now because this would be updated automatically. Some time ago, I wrote a script that parses the GIMP ChangeLog files and tries to figure out who are the most active developers. Maybe I should try to hack it a bit more. That sounds like something that should be done using the CVS information, not by parsing the ChangeLog. Perhaps have a look at statcvs, a CVS Repository statistic analysis tool. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] Environment settings big images
Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Photoshop handles large images better than GIMP. That's a known fact and it's not trivial to improve. How, exactly? I've heard this too, but I have no clear idea how they do so - do they have a similar caching system, and just make better decisions about what to cache and when? Or do they use OS specific features to reduce read times for caching operations? AFAIK they don't load the full image into memory. If you open a large image, only the preview is loaded and if you zoom in, then only the necessary parts are pulled into memory. Of course this doesn't work with all file formats. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] what's wrong about this list [was: Gimp 2.0]
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23 Apr 2004 13:10:00 +0200 Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Currently, I think that having a look at the ChangeLog is the best way (although cumbersome) to figure out who is working on what. Maybe we could make this easier by processing the ChangeLog automatically, analyzing who is working on what and publishing a list of the top contributors to each part of the code in the last N months (e.g., stats per directory in the source tree). That would not be perfect, but maybe it would be better than what we have now because this would be updated automatically. Some time ago, I wrote a script that parses the GIMP ChangeLog files and tries to figure out who are the most active developers. Maybe I should try to hack it a bit more. That sounds like something that should be done using the CVS information, not by parsing the ChangeLog. Perhaps have a look at statcvs, a CVS Repository statistic analysis tool. I have a script that I use to auto-generate a change log from a CVS repository that's used to generate the Gimp-Print change log. It coalesces multiple commits close in time that have the same log message and handles branches correctly (i. e. if the sandbox being used is on a branch, it logs all versions leading up to the branch). I can post it if anyone likes, or it can be extracted from the Gimp-Print source as scripts/mkchlog. -- Robert Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project lead for Gimp Print --http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works. --Eric Crampton ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Baby photos (was: Gimp 2.0)
On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 01:40:14AM +, Markus Triska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have not yet explained what exactly makes you think of Dutroux when looking at the Photo and what exactly you think has been gained by removing that image in that context. The Dutroux connection is especially important, since this is a typical Totschlagargument [1] It rather was the other way around. Only because I continuously read and hear about this alleged criminal on the media did I think about this context when looking at the photo. You can take that remark out of my initial mail, and the point it raised would still be valid. Please consider that millions of people have heard about this case on TV, but so far you are the only person who thinks of this case when looking at baby pictures (there is no connection to babies in the dutroux case at all...), at least the only person on this list, while many others have made it clear to you that they don't think in tis strange way, including Dave. This is certainly not normal. What's also not normal is that you continously insist that you know that Dave removed the picture because he follows your reasoning, despite there is evidence to the contrary. At the moment, you are just trolling, nothing more. And you surely know that and still go on with your abuse of this case, which is probably the reason why so many people on this list are upset. Shame on you. -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | | ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] what's wrong about this list [was: Gimp 2.0]
Hi, Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a script that I use to auto-generate a change log from a CVS repository that's used to generate the Gimp-Print change log. It coalesces multiple commits close in time that have the same log message and handles branches correctly (i. e. if the sandbox being used is on a branch, it logs all versions leading up to the branch). I can post it if anyone likes, or it can be extracted from the Gimp-Print source as scripts/mkchlog. That script will probably not work well with the style of CVS log messages that we use. Also the information we need here is not in the CVS log message nor in the ChangeLog. All that's needed is information about who changed how many lines in which files at what time. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] what's wrong about this list [was: Gimp 2.0]
On Friday 23 April 2004 08:10, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Currently, I think that having a look at the ChangeLog is the best way (although cumbersome) to figure out who is working on what. Maybe we could make this easier by processing the ChangeLog automatically, analyzing who is working on what and publishing a list of the top contributors to each part of the code in the last N months (e.g., stats per directory in the source tree). That would not be perfect, but maybe it would be better than what we have now because this would be updated automatically. Some time ago, I wrote a script that parses the GIMP ChangeLog files and tries to figure out who are the most active developers. Maybe I should try to hack it a bit more. That sounds like something that should be done using the CVS information, not by parsing the ChangeLog. Perhaps have a look at statcvs, a CVS Repository statistic analysis tool. Would not that turn up just those who have CVS access? Maybe a mix of both. Maybe split contributors in developers and small contributors. That way, one looking on the about dialog would not have to wait ages to see your name and Mitch's, for example. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] CVS statistics
Hi, for those of you that are into statistiscs, have a look at this: http://libresoft.dat.escet.urjc.es/cvsanal/gnome-cvs/index.php?menu=Modulesmodule=gimp Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] status report from the development branch
Sven wrote: But it looks as if I introduced a bug when cleaning up the code and porting to GTK+-2.4. I am classifying this one as NEEDINFO. What is the bug, please? Could you submit it to Bugzilla so that there is a place to put a fix should somebody happen to come up with one? Best, -- Bill __ __ __ __ Sent via the KillerWebMail system at primate.ucdavis.edu ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Baby photos (was: Gimp 2.0)
Dear Marc, Please consider that millions of people have heard about this case on TV, but so far you are the only person who thinks of this case when looking at baby pictures (there is no connection to babies in the dutroux case at all...), at least the only person on this list, while many others have made it clear to you that they don't think in tis strange way, including Dave. I did not talk about baby pictures, but about the particular picture that was in the screen-shots section. I have asked Dave if he had any other pictures of his (dressed) son available, and I offered my help in improving the photographs as best as I can. Also, I have proof that I am not the only person that considered it a bad idea to have a picture of an apparently naked, wet child in the screen-shots section of a program that is used not only in the US or Europe, but world-wide. I want to remind you that there are countries on this world that consider an unveiled woman offensive, let alone a naked woman, or child, and not everyone will post his thoughts about this matter on the list, perhaps mainly due to language differences, and neither would have I, because this is not a technical matter that you can discuss, like say, if we would use C++ or some higher level language for the Gimp core code, or when we should get rid of deprecated Gtk implementations. Those are the things that you can discuss, because they are intellectually, not emotionally justifiable, and do not depend on your culture. Also, there is no choosing a side, or changing your mind by arguments in this issue, as Simon said, and this is why I mailed Dave, not you, and not to this list, because I expected he would understand my opinion immediately. What's also not normal is that you continously insist that you know that Dave removed the picture because he follows your reasoning, despite there is evidence to the contrary. Dave clearly stated that he took away the picture as a direct consequence of my mail. In his own words: this discussion (or rather, the original mail) made me see a popular website's place in the internet slightly differently. He has no problem with baby photos, and neither have I, but you might understand that there is some kind of strong correlation between my mail and him taking the picture away, or you are the one who is trolling. At the moment, you are just trolling, nothing more. And you surely know that and still go on with your abuse of this case, which is probably the reason why so many people on this list are upset. Shame on you. I again apologize for all the confusion and trouble I have caused on this list, please forgive me. I never meant to send my thoughts about the picture to a developer's list. Also, I have clearly stated in an earlier message that I want to end now this discussion that I did not want to start in the first place, and especially not on this place. It is posts like yours that keep the words rolling, because they attack me personally, saying I am not normal, have a smutty mind, or accusing me of other things, like trolling or abusing. You might understand that I can not let that stand as it is. Regards, Markus Triska. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Unsharp plug-in
hello, this is the first time I'm posting on this list. It realy is the gimp developer list? I've modified the unsharp plugin and added a preview functionality to it. How do I share it, do I sent it to someone for review? kind regards Geert Jordaens ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Unsharp plug-in
On 23 Apr 2004, at 20:25, geert jordaens wrote: this is the first time I'm posting on this list. It realy is the gimp developer list? Yes it is. Welcome! I've modified the unsharp plugin and added a preview functionality to it. How do I share it, do I sent it to someone for review? There are a number of instructions in http://developer.gimp.org/HACKING that you should probably follow. There's also a developer FAQ with some information at http://developer.gimp.org/faq.html. You should probably check first to see if a bug report for this has already been opened, and if people have already been working on previews. -- branko collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] A very brief study about The GIMP
Hi, First, I apologize in advance for my poor english, I'm french and not so gifted for language. Second, I have to present myself and why I'm writing to this list although I'm not (and will not be) a GIMP programmer. I'm part of a free software user group (free in the mean of french word libre, of course). We try to devellop free software and take part of several manifestations (local, national or international). In order to introduce free software to person who doesn't know what free software is (and to non computer familiar people), I write what I called the fiches libres (we can traduce that by free tips, but you still have to remain that it is freedom and not free of charges). Each tip is a brief resume of one (and only one) aspect of free software (fundamental freedoms, open stantards, GNU/Linux, etc.). You can get it at or website : http://www.aldil.org/projets/fiches_libres/ (french only) And so what about The GIMP ? I'm coming :). For the 9th tip, I wanted to write about a brillant, symbolic and successful project. As a presentation of what is exactly a free software project. ... And after some (not so hard) discutions we decided for The GIMP. Third, of course I have some questions :) I could find some history piece about the GIMP development on the gimp.org website. I can find everything I want about what it is possible to do with The GIMP under the web (but that is not the subject of the tip). But I have a very little information about _how_ The GIMP has been and is developped. How many contributors ? from where ? What is the role of the Berkeley University ? Does Peter Mattis (and others) codes it on his free time or as employed ? Does The GIMP have sponsors (finantial or in other form) ? I supposed that if you read this mail, it's because you have done something for The GIMP. If you have some time to waste, I'm interrested by everyone story (even if you have only write a very little patch). And for the sysadmin, is it possible to have some numbers, such as the CVS log, the website statistic, the mailman log ? even I won't published those datas, it's always very interresting to extract some numbers on a quite long periode such as the gimp developpment one. (if it isn't possible, I'll interstand that) Many thanks for those who read all my awfully spelled and long message, and for those who will answer :) Mr YouP. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] [META] Subject tags / List Moderation
I've seen a bunch of messages with the title Gimp 2.0 in the list which were absolutely, definitively off-topic. As a reminder, this list is intended for discussion about gimp development-related issues. Many of the discussions are kept on IRC but since not everyone is awake at all times and not everyone is on IRC this is^H^Hshould be a good means for communication between developers and perhaps to receive suggestions, feedback or casual comments by users. So please let's adopt the good habit of sticking an [OT] tag to the messages that are off-topic or go off-topic (where on-topic is more or less defined above but with a bit of relaxation). Comments about the list itself can be marked with the [META] tag as this one, though this is just my suggestion instead of common practice. Also, perhaps there is consensus on that the lists should be moderated. If so, - How many people don't agree about it being moderated? - Is there someone who volunteers to moderate the list? I'd offer myself but I'm afraid that my job won't allow me to cope with that. -- Pedro Gimeno ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Unsharp plug-in
Geert Jordaens wrote: I've modified the unsharp plugin and added a preview functionality to it. How do I share it, do I sent it to someone for review? Branko Collin wrote: You should probably check first to see if a bug report for this has already been opened, and if people have already been working on previews. There is in fact a bug report (#52374) called Some plugins lack a preview area. There has been some discussion a while ago on this mailing list of the possibility of creating a standard preview widget for plug-ins to use. This is on the to-do list, but nobody is actually working on it at the moment as far as I know. In the meantime, there has been little work on previews for individual plug-ins because of the likelihood that in the near future they would be obsoleted. You can find an archive of the mailing list at http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer%40lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/ Anyway, the approach that is most convenient for everybody is to do this: 1) Register the plug-in in the GIMP Plug-In Registry (registry.gimp.org), and put the source code there so that people can download it. 2) Send a message to this list saying how to download the plug-in, and asking for people to test it and consider it for inclusion in the main distribution. Best, -- Bill __ __ __ __ Sent via the KillerWebMail system at primate.ucdavis.edu ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] Environment settings big images
On 23 Apr 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Photoshop handles large images better than GIMP. That's a known fact and it's not trivial to improve. How, exactly? AFAIK they don't load the full image into memory. If you open a large image, only the preview is loaded and if you zoom in, then only the necessary parts are pulled into memory. Of course this doesn't work with all file formats. There are already bugzilla entries about this -- most prominantly #107246. I have a feeling to do this right it would have to be a fairly sophisticated GEGL node. Why aren't I on gegl-developer again? :) Rockwalrus ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] CVS statistics
On 23 Apr 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, for those of you that are into statistiscs, have a look at this: http://libresoft.dat.escet.urjc.es/cvsanal/gnome-cvs/index.php?menu=Modulesmodule=gimp Obviously, the top 21 on that page should get special privileges. ;) Rockwalrus ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [META] Subject tags / List Moderation
On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 08:16:46PM +, Pedro Gimeno Fortea wrote: - How many people don't agree about it being moderated? this list is already moderated. you have the option to delete. moderation starts at home. - Is there someone who volunteers to moderate the list? I'd offer myself but I'm afraid that my job won't allow me to cope with that. with the method of self-moderation, we all have a job on this list. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] more GIMP foundation stuff
Hi again, I have almost completed all the paperwork to get The GIMP Foundation up and running. The last slightly compliciated bit left is to get the bylaws finished. I have a draft version of the bylaws that need a few gaps filled in. I've put it here: http://www.phasevelocity.org/bylaws.doc These bylaws get sent with the rest of the paperwork (and the filing fee) to the IRS to get tax-exempt status. This copy of the bylaws is pretty standard stuff, with parts that need filling in, highlighted in red. We are, of course, free to change the bylaws at anytime in the future (within certain limits), but we do need a copy of the bylaws, and a first board meeting held within the rules of those bylaws, where the bylaws are formally approved by the board. Here are the things left to do. Within a week I need to get the parts in red of the draft bylaws fleshed out at at least the majority satisfiaction of the community. In addition to the red parts, the membership section needs to be writtin. I need to appoint an initial board, whose job will be to set up a membership system, start collecting members, and allow those members to vote in a non-interim board (any takers?) I need to send in the corporate paperwork to the IRS (with the filing fee) and wait a few months for the IRS to send some questions answer those questions, and wait a few more months to get our non-profit status approved. Instead of all this though, I've been talking to Tim Ney about having the GNOME Foundation take a more active role in supporting the GIMP. If GNOME was willing to do this, this would probably be a good option for us. Gnome already has the infrastruction and ability to act as a non-profit, as well as plenty of corporate suppport. What do people think of this plan? -- Daniel P.S. Real life is taken over recently. I have a new child on the way, my wife is almost finished with school, I'm looking at grad schools, and I have a practical need to focus my work on the bits that I get paid a regular salery for. This means I have very little time for gimp related stuff recently. In fact, I'm looking to get TGF (or whatever this becomes) handed off to a competent interim board as soon as I can. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] The issue of JPEG Patents?
Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: On Friday 23 April 2004 18:39, Alan Horkan wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/23/forgent_jpeg_suit/ Has the issue of Jpeg Patents been brought up yet? (a quick but not thorough search suggests not) hmmm...What about waiting until october, and THEM start the Gimp Foundation? You can't sue what does not exist Honestly...I got scared for the GIMP when I read about the thou shalt not open scanned-up money images blurbs ... when I read about this JPEG patents, I did not even thought about the GIMP, because it's just too stupid. But..who knows where human greed can take us? Well you could still sue the plugin maintainer. but that is no point. It is greed drivin, thus there is a second, implict rule, thou shall not sue that which has no money. -- Dan ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
