Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
Hi, Andreas Rsdal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To decide which operation which is most common, it would be interesting to see some numbers comparing the two alternatives (and perhaps others). One could gather data for which operation is most often executed by a typical user, sort of like a usability test. In fact, a totally different operation might be used more than either of these alternatives. This could be something to do on the next GIMPCon or similar. Very good point, except that GIMPCon is probably not the right event to do usability testing. After all usability tests should be done with users; experienced and new users. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
On 5/23/05, Laxminarayan Kamath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An entire new idea of keystrokes : for the keyboard shortcuts: if you press a key the normal way ,it will select the tool indefinetely alright. But if the key is pressed and held, and i do something, and then release the key, the tool reverts back to the one last used. EH ! I forgot to mention how the feature could help the current thread's problem: If this feature is implemented, m can be pushed for what is now for space. and space can be pused for panning! -- Laxminarayan Kamath Ammembal *note change of mobile number* (+91) 9342287956 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.geocities.com/kamathln ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
Jakub Friedl (lists) wrote: it is a good idea. the descibed behaviour is really handy when editing zoomed in image. however i use the current space function too. would it be possible to use a different key for the temporary move tool? The genius behind the choice of space key is that it can easily be hit (on all keyboard layouts!) without looking away from the screen... --adam ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
The genius behind the choice of space key is that it can easily be hit (on all keyboard layouts!) without looking away from the screen... exactly, and this is(imho, of course) most useful for panning Jakub Friedl ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
it is a good idea. the descibed behaviour is really handy when editing zoomed in image. however i use the current space function too. would it be possible to use a different key for the temporary move tool? Jakub Friedl ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
Hi, Jakub Friedl (lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it is a good idea. the descibed behaviour is really handy when editing zoomed in image. however i use the current space function too. would it be possible to use a different key for the temporary move tool? Anything is possible but the question is if it is a good idea to implement any possible option. The current feature is hard to discover already, adding another key will hide it even more. Since tools can already be switched using the keyboard, I propose that the current behaviour is ditched in favor of the panning feature. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
imho it is not a problem to have hidden features, if knowledge of such features is not required. at least we have some bonus for people rading the manual then. however i certainly support implementing the panning feature for the space key, because it is more useful than the current switch to move tool. i can live with normal keys for switching tools, even if it requires one more keypress. Jakub Friedl ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
Hi, I find the current use of the space key just great. If other image manipul;ation programs fail to do that, that is a lack of functionality on those programs - I see no reason to downgrade the GIMP just to get the look and feel of other programs. The panning funcionality on the botton right corner of the image windows works allright for me - maybe there could be a way to let that more visible. OTOH, what about making it configurable? Is it feasible? Regards, joao -- On Saturday 21 May 2005 12:00, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, I consider to change what GIMP uses the Space key for and would like to get some user feedback on this. Currently, pressing the Space key temporarily switches to the move tool. This is sometimes convenient but I am not sure if it is all that useful. Another image manipulation program, which GIMP is frequently being compared to, uses the Space key to offer the functionality that GIMP has bound to the middle mouse button: panning the image display. Since not everyone has a middle mouse button (especially on tablet pens), it might be a good idea to follow that example. If we did that, pressing Space would keep the current tool but the cursor would change to a hand symbol and one could drag the image display (not the content!) using the mouse. Any opinions on that, anyone? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
funcionality on the botton right corner of the image windows works allright for me - maybe there could be a way to let that more visible. That feature is really great when you need just panning, but in some cases it is not enough. I very often do retouching of zoomed photos with quick brush strokes and i do need a way to pan in the image very often. The Space is just ideal for that: stroke, stroke, stroke hit space and pan... stroke stroke stroke... hits space and pan... stroke stroke stroke --- this way i do not move my mouse/tablet cursor from the comfortable working area at all and it really speeds things up. Jakub Friedl ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
Adam D. Moss wrote: Sven Neumann wrote: Another image manipulation program, which GIMP is frequently being compared to, uses the Space key to offer the functionality that GIMP has bound to the middle mouse button: panning the image display. Since not everyone has a middle mouse button (especially on tablet pens), it might be a good idea to follow that example. If we did that, pressing Space would keep the current tool but the cursor would change to a hand symbol and one could drag the image display (not the content!) using the mouse. Any opinions on that, anyone? I agree that the space key should be reserved for something pretty amazingly common and useful. To decide which operation which is most common, it would be interesting to see some numbers comparing the two alternatives (and perhaps others). One could gather data for which operation is most often executed by a typical user, sort of like a usability test. In fact, a totally different operation might be used more than either of these alternatives. This could be something to do on the next GIMPCon or similar. However, the resemblance with Another image manipulation program might be important also. Andreas R. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
An entire new idea of keystrokes : for the keyboard shortcuts: if you press a key the normal way ,it will select the tool indefinetely alright. But if the key is pressed and held, and i do something, and then release the key, the tool reverts back to the one last used. very helpful for quick erasing,color picking, moving, panning, selection, unfloating floating area, etc. etc. etc :-) -- Laxminarayan Kamath Ammembal *note change of mobile number* (+91) 9342287956 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.geocities.com/kamathln ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
very helpful for quick erasing,color picking, moving, panning, selection, unfloating floating area, etc. etc. etc :-) -- would it be possible to extend dynamic shortcuts feature to this area? ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 06:54:10PM +0530, Laxminarayan Kamath wrote: An entire new idea of keystrokes : for the keyboard shortcuts: if you press a key the normal way ,it will select the tool indefinetely alright. But if the key is pressed and held, and i do something, and then release the key, the tool reverts back to the one last used. very helpful for quick erasing,color picking, moving, panning, selection, unfloating floating area, etc. etc. etc :-) That would be cool! Bye, TiI want it!no. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
Hi, Laxminarayan Kamath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An entire new idea of keystrokes : for the keyboard shortcuts: if you press a key the normal way ,it will select the tool indefinetely alright. But if the key is pressed and held, and i do something, and then release the key, the tool reverts back to the one last used. Sounds interesting. Probably worth trying. Anyone? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
On Monday 23 May 2005 20:08, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Laxminarayan Kamath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An entire new idea of keystrokes : for the keyboard shortcuts: if you press a key the normal way ,it will select the tool indefinetely alright. But if the key is pressed and held, and i do something, and then release the key, the tool reverts back to the one last used. Sounds interesting. Probably worth trying. Anyone? I like the idea. I had never looked at this part of the code. I believe that with Gimp contexts it is possible to push any tool with the current code already? JS -- Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
Sven Neumann wrote: Another image manipulation program, which GIMP is frequently being compared to, uses the Space key to offer the functionality that GIMP has bound to the middle mouse button: panning the image display. Since not everyone has a middle mouse button (especially on tablet pens), it might be a good idea to follow that example. If we did that, pressing Space would keep the current tool but the cursor would change to a hand symbol and one could drag the image display (not the content!) using the mouse. Any opinions on that, anyone? I agree that the space key should be reserved for something pretty amazingly common and useful. I suppose it's also likely that panning the image is a slightly more common temporary mode of action than moving a layer, regardless of what The Other program does, though we DO have a super-handy little single-click panning tool on the image window already, so overall I don't think it's a compelling win (or loss). --Adam -- Adam D. Moss - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
Hi, I consider to change what GIMP uses the Space key for and would like to get some user feedback on this. Currently, pressing the Space key temporarily switches to the move tool. This is sometimes convenient but I am not sure if it is all that useful. Another image manipulation program, which GIMP is frequently being compared to, uses the Space key to offer the functionality that GIMP has bound to the middle mouse button: panning the image display. Since not everyone has a middle mouse button (especially on tablet pens), it might be a good idea to follow that example. If we did that, pressing Space would keep the current tool but the cursor would change to a hand symbol and one could drag the image display (not the content!) using the mouse. Any opinions on that, anyone? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
