Apple has no Delete Key [Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining]
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Daniel Egger wrote: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:20:13 +0200 From: Daniel Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gimp Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining Am Fre, 2003-09-12 um 11.25 schrieb Simon Budig: It would be nice to have more keys available to the tools. I'd love to get the Del-Key working for deletion of nodes in the path tool... The del key is a bad choice. Quite a few GIMP users have Apple machines which don't have a del key. I think Apple is exceptional in that regard and didn't they put some of the keys back in the later iMac designs? Delete is such a particularly good and obvious keybinding for Deleting things with on other platforms couldn't we use delete as well as another keybinding for the benifit of Mac users? - Alan H. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: Apple has no Delete Key [Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining]
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Alan Horkan wrote: It would be nice to have more keys available to the tools. I'd love to get the Del-Key working for deletion of nodes in the path tool... The del key is a bad choice. Quite a few GIMP users have Apple machines which don't have a del key. I think Apple is exceptional in that regard and didn't they put some of the keys back in the later iMac designs? Delete is such a particularly good and obvious keybinding for Deleting things with on other platforms couldn't we use delete as well as another keybinding for the benifit of Mac users? It is true that the Apple keyboards that used to come with the iMacs, B/W G3s and G4s don't have a del key. However, this keyboard has long since been replaced with the full-sized keyboard, which does have the key. As does every older mac keyboard in existence, save the PowerBook keyboards. Simply put, most people should have the key. However, how about using backspace, which IMO is more intuitive for deleting things. (Though it could be used by something else, I'm not entirely sure.) Marco ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: Apple has no Delete Key [Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining]
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Marco Wessel wrote: snip It is true that the Apple keyboards that used to come with the iMacs, B/W G3s and G4s don't have a del key. However, this keyboard has long since been replaced with the full-sized keyboard, which does have the key. As does every older mac keyboard in existence, save the PowerBook keyboards. Simply put, most people should have the key. However, how about using backspace, which IMO is more intuitive for deleting things. (Though it could be used by something else, I'm not entirely sure.) Backspace is used to clear a dynamic a dynamic menu keybinding. (Not to rule out the possibility of that specific context being made properly isolated to allow use of Backspace else where). sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: Apple has no Delete Key [Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining]
Am Sam, 2003-09-13 um 23.30 schrieb Marco Wessel: It is true that the Apple keyboards that used to come with the iMacs, B/W G3s and G4s don't have a del key. However, this keyboard has long since been replaced with the full-sized keyboard, which does have the key. Just curious, where is it on the later keyboards? As does every older mac keyboard in existence, save the PowerBook keyboards. None of the notebooks have it which are oddly enough quite common to find at artists. Simply put, most people should have the key. Talking about all users sure, with Mac users I'd be careful with this claim. -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: Apple has no Delete Key [Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining]
Am Sam, 2003-09-13 um 22.38 schrieb Alan Horkan: Delete is such a particularly good and obvious keybinding for Deleting things Actually I believe that having both a backspace and a delete key is confusing in the original wordprocessing meaning; why would one want to delete a character following the cursor? Personally I've been living without one for years now and I'm not missing it except when some UI designers think that the delete key is more straight forward than the backspace key and unfortunately mapped some often used function to it like deleting mail -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: Apple has no Delete Key [Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining]
Daniel Egger wrote: Am Sam, 2003-09-13 um 22.38 schrieb Alan Horkan: Delete is such a particularly good and obvious keybinding for Deleting things Actually I believe that having both a backspace and a delete key is confusing in the original wordprocessing meaning; why would one want to delete a character following the cursor? Personally I've been living without one for years now and I'm not missing it except when some UI designers think that the delete key is more straight forward than the backspace key and unfortunately mapped some often used function to it like deleting mail slowly i learn how to use the delete key. i would not miss it. typewriters had only a backspace key. many a fine document has been typed without one. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: Apple has no Delete Key [Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining]
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Daniel Egger wrote: Am Sam, 2003-09-13 um 23.30 schrieb Marco Wessel: It is true that the Apple keyboards that used to come with the iMacs, B/W G3s and G4s don't have a del key. However, this keyboard has long since been replaced with the full-sized keyboard, which does have the key. Just curious, where is it on the later keyboards? Same place as ever. Right under ins/help, next to end. As does every older mac keyboard in existence, save the PowerBook keyboards. None of the notebooks have it which are oddly enough quite common to find at artists. I don't know about the PC notebooks, but the powerbooks don't have one. Of course their keyboard is smaller than the iMac one, and the key is rarely used on macs. So this is understandable. Simply put, most people should have the key. Talking about all users sure, with Mac users I'd be careful with this claim. Most pro users will have replaced their keyboards with the larger keyboard. The larger part of the non-powerbook folks will have it. Anyway, I recall forward delete being shift-backspace in macos on those keyboard, and I even recall using that. Oddly, when I just tried it, it didn't work. I'm guessing it's an option somewhere. Marco ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining
While talking about UI ideas, how about keyboard-mouse chording? Currently, while painting with the mouse (or tablet pen), the other hand is presumably idle. Would it be a good idea to be able to use keyboard keys to modify the painting action? I am thinking of some fresh ways to interact using both keybaord and mouse simultaneously. Of course, most keyboard keys are used for shortcuts, so it might be a bit confusing if those keys had a different meaning while drawing with the mouse. But on the other hand, people hardly would do it by mistake? Wild idea: Banging on the spacebar with varying frequencey while moving a drawing tool with the mouse would be similar to varying the pressure if you had a pressure-sensitive pen. Each press on the spacebar would temporarily increase the pressure, which would then slowly decay. Or, the arrow keys could be used to finetune the pressure and tilt while moving the mouse. Some other keys could be used to modulate the colour, opacity, whatnot. I'm sure we could brainstorm more similar stuff. Has any program used an UI like this? Does it sound like a good or just goofy idea? --tml ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining
Tor Lillqvist ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Or, the arrow keys could be used to finetune the pressure and tilt while moving the mouse. Just wanted to point out that since gimpcon it is possible to change the opacity with the cursor keys for all Paint tools. It would be nice to have more keys available to the tools. I'd love to get the Del-Key working for deletion of nodes in the path tool... Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining
tor:
you reminded me of a feature which would GREATLY improve the functionality of
gimp: moving through the active palette's colors with shortcut keys.
i'll create a patch for it at the first opportunity (after learning how to add
menu items). its such a uber-useful and simple feature i'm surprised it
wasn't implemented LNG ago.
the doc i've written:
in 'navigation' submenu:
'[' ']' prev/next color in palette
'{' '}' prev/next gradient sample *
',' '.' prev/next brush
'' '' prev/next pattern
{ other prev/next items here }
* gradient sample number should be customizable. and/or movement along
gradient should
have acceleration like spinbuttons, but i don't know if that's doable.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining
From: Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Gimp Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:22:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 11:25, Simon Budig wrote: Tor Lillqvist ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Or, the arrow keys could be used to finetune the pressure and tilt while moving the mouse. Just wanted to point out that since gimpcon it is possible to change the opacity with the cursor keys for all Paint tools. Which I greatly appreciate and thank you for that. But, you know.. It's kinda awkward for a right-hander to reach for the cursor keys ;) Ultimately a a herf=http://www.eviloverlord.net/powermate.html;powermate/a control would be best. oooh, wow, /me wants one! that does sounds like a great control device for use in GIMP though, how likely would support be? Phil. cheers -- Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer _ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining
4.) The old eraser should be replaced with an 'Erase' - mode for the paint tools (Brush, Pen, Airbrush, Ink, Text, Fill), to be able to use e.g. the Airbrush as Eraser, this would make the interface less cluttered and also improves the flexibility. Same goes for the 'Smudge', 'Blur', 'Paint using Patterns' 'Sharpen' tools; Ok, here is how Deluxe Paint would deal with this: painting with right mouse button instead of the left would use the Background color, instead of foreground. In the GIMP, while it is not possible to make such a ssue to the right mouse button, there could, and IMO should, be a fast keystroke (mnemonic?) to swap BG and FG. It is great for a couple of fancy effects to be able to quicly switch between fg/bg without moving the cursor. That's not what I meant, I meant the eraser, not the bg color. But you are right on the keystroke, this would be a great addition. As for the eraser tool, it is currently the only of the paint tools that paints to transparency without the need to paint on the mask. Besides, the behavior of the ctrl key in it comes close, if one is paiting on the background, of the color swapping feature. And this is exactly the problem, only the eraser tool paints to transparency. And it should be possible to use ANY paint tool to do this. It could be as simple as reversing the alpha value for this tool... Alpha/ erase != bg color (at least if you use more than one layer). Have you entered this issue as a enhancement bug to Gimp bugzilla? If not would you do it or I could do it, because IMHO it would be a really good thing to have. I think it's pretty orthogonal to having alpha value in color picker and selector, because it could simply paint to full transparency (based on the properties of the brush and kind of a paint tool). In case of images without alpha channel it would simply paint to background color. Tom Mraz ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining
Willie, Excellent! Lets hope the right folks are paying attention. Seems like a wonderful idea. It's both more functional *and* more attractive. I've always felt the stock Gimp interface was a little too weird/clumsy in it's layout. Cheers, Bowie Bowie J. Poag [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Willie Sippel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining I already explained most of my suggestions to Joao. I did another design, available at http://www.zeitgeistmedia.net/gimp/gimpstreamline2.png On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 18:17, Alan Horkan wrote: On 1 Sep 2003, Willie Sippel wrote: Date: 01 Sep 2003 20:09:23 +0200 From: Willie Sippel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining Hi there. First post, so please go easy on me ;-). Also Gimp always gets better and more powerful, the interface still needs a lot of work. It almost looks like yet another Photoshop clone - I really dont think GIMP looks at all like Photoshop although ... and even if Photoshop is some sort of de facto standard, it's interface is pretty clumsy and inefficient. ... I agree Photoshop is far from perfect either. 1.) Remove unnecessary buttons from the main toolbox to reduce clutter: Smudge, Dodge or Burn, Blur or Sharpen, Erase, Zoom, Color Picker; I also would love for the toolbox to be customizable http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105764 I don't want a customizable toolbar, but some of these tools are already modes for paint tools, and the other mentioned tools should be the same. but comletely removing the buttons as you suggest without anyway to add them back will likely displease many different people depending on which features they happen to use, personally I would miss the Zoom button. It might also be worth considering better to do like Photoshop and Sodipodi and have button submenus, that when you click and hold you get more of the related items. Screenshot of Adobe Photoshop toolbox submenu http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/gimp/screenshots/photoshop/Ad obePhotoshop-clicknhold.png shorter link to Photoshop screenshot http://tardis.linux.ie/1653/matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie I know Photoshop very well, but I don't like the submenus, as they are wasting time (click, hold, wait, look for the right option, move mouse, release...) - this is unnecessary. Look at my new design for another way to deal with that issue, might be more useful than a 'click and hold' menu, and also better than my first suggestion. 5.) The Color Picker should become available when you click the foreground or background color in the main toolbar, and should set the respective color (set foreground when you clicked the foreground color); This is already the case in GIMP 1.2, just double click on it. OK. What about the right or middle mouse button? Check my new mock-up, I've changed this. 6.) Add 'Alpha' to the Color Picker; Consider carefully if the more user friendly term Transparency should be used. 'A rose, by any other name...' - granted, but well - it IS alpha. And Gimp is not Tuxpaint. But I thought about this, and this one should remain as it is today, 'opacity' on the tool settings. Changing the current color sliders from HSVRGB to HSVRGBA would be sufficient. 8.) Remove the giant FG/ BG preview at the bottom of the 'Colors' window to make the interface more compact; There is an option to hide the brush+pattern preview, an additional option to hide the colours widget might be an acceptable idea (but there is always the matter of getting some one to write the needed code). 9.) The remaining buttons on the main toolbox should be reordered: Brush | Pen | Airbrush | Ink | Text | Fill | Select | Transform | Create paths | Measure tools care to explain your reasoning for this reordering? I changed this one, but I think it's faster if the most common used tool is also the first button on the list. I think 'ordered by importance' is better as ordered random, like it seems today... 15.) Remove the brush and pattern preview from the main toolbox, because it clutters the toolbox - it's redundant, anyway, because there is allready a preview in the tool settings window. It might be even better to also remove the pattern preview from the tool settings and show the selected pattern on the color preview of the main toolbox; There is already a preference to remove it. Toolbox, File, Preferences... Interface, [] Display Brush, Pattern and Gradient Indicators. I must have missed this one. 16.) The color preview on the main toolbox should be redesigned: some paint programs have differnt designs, some even allow you to choose which design you
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining
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On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 07:49, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: In the GIMP, while it is not possible to make such a ssue to the right mouse button, there could, and IMO should, be a fast keystroke (mnemonic?) to swap BG and FG. It is great for a couple of fancy effects to be able to quicly switch between fg/bg without moving the cursor. For a long time this has been bound to the 'X' key. Can't live without it. Also 'D' for resetting the colors to default is handy. cheers -- Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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I already explained most of my suggestions to Joao. I did another design, available at http://www.zeitgeistmedia.net/gimp/gimpstreamline2.png that's REALLY nice looking, and I like it, not that my opinion counts for much :) Jon ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: Let's check your ideias. One thing, from reafdign your e-mail I guess you are using 1.2 GIMP series. A lot of what you comment has changed to the 1.3 series. To be fair from his screenshot he is clearly using some version of 1.3 http://www.zeitgeistmedia.net/gimp/gimpstreamline2.png Sincerely Alan Horkan http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining
I already explained most of my suggestions to Joao. I did another design, available at http://www.zeitgeistmedia.net/gimp/gimpstreamline2.png On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 18:17, Alan Horkan wrote: On 1 Sep 2003, Willie Sippel wrote: Date: 01 Sep 2003 20:09:23 +0200 From: Willie Sippel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining Hi there. First post, so please go easy on me ;-). Also Gimp always gets better and more powerful, the interface still needs a lot of work. It almost looks like yet another Photoshop clone - I really dont think GIMP looks at all like Photoshop although ... and even if Photoshop is some sort of de facto standard, it's interface is pretty clumsy and inefficient. ... I agree Photoshop is far from perfect either. 1.) Remove unnecessary buttons from the main toolbox to reduce clutter: Smudge, Dodge or Burn, Blur or Sharpen, Erase, Zoom, Color Picker; I also would love for the toolbox to be customizable http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105764 I don't want a customizable toolbar, but some of these tools are already modes for paint tools, and the other mentioned tools should be the same. but comletely removing the buttons as you suggest without anyway to add them back will likely displease many different people depending on which features they happen to use, personally I would miss the Zoom button. It might also be worth considering better to do like Photoshop and Sodipodi and have button submenus, that when you click and hold you get more of the related items. Screenshot of Adobe Photoshop toolbox submenu http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/gimp/screenshots/photoshop/AdobePhotoshop-clicknhold.png shorter link to Photoshop screenshot http://tardis.linux.ie/1653/matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie I know Photoshop very well, but I don't like the submenus, as they are wasting time (click, hold, wait, look for the right option, move mouse, release...) - this is unnecessary. Look at my new design for another way to deal with that issue, might be more useful than a 'click and hold' menu, and also better than my first suggestion. 5.) The Color Picker should become available when you click the foreground or background color in the main toolbar, and should set the respective color (set foreground when you clicked the foreground color); This is already the case in GIMP 1.2, just double click on it. OK. What about the right or middle mouse button? Check my new mock-up, I've changed this. 6.) Add 'Alpha' to the Color Picker; Consider carefully if the more user friendly term Transparency should be used. 'A rose, by any other name...' - granted, but well - it IS alpha. And Gimp is not Tuxpaint. But I thought about this, and this one should remain as it is today, 'opacity' on the tool settings. Changing the current color sliders from HSVRGB to HSVRGBA would be sufficient. 8.) Remove the giant FG/ BG preview at the bottom of the 'Colors' window to make the interface more compact; There is an option to hide the brush+pattern preview, an additional option to hide the colours widget might be an acceptable idea (but there is always the matter of getting some one to write the needed code). 9.) The remaining buttons on the main toolbox should be reordered: Brush | Pen | Airbrush | Ink | Text | Fill | Select | Transform | Create paths | Measure tools care to explain your reasoning for this reordering? I changed this one, but I think it's faster if the most common used tool is also the first button on the list. I think 'ordered by importance' is better as ordered random, like it seems today... 15.) Remove the brush and pattern preview from the main toolbox, because it clutters the toolbox - it's redundant, anyway, because there is allready a preview in the tool settings window. It might be even better to also remove the pattern preview from the tool settings and show the selected pattern on the color preview of the main toolbox; There is already a preference to remove it. Toolbox, File, Preferences... Interface, [] Display Brush, Pattern and Gradient Indicators. I must have missed this one. 16.) The color preview on the main toolbox should be redesigned: some paint programs have differnt designs, some even allow you to choose which design you like best but I dont understand what is wrong with the current design, please explain why your suggestion is better. Check my mock-up, I explained it there. Making the preview bigger and not overlapping would make the preview on the color dialog obsolete. Some other small suggestions, as well as many of the described suggestions are on the mock-up, http://www.zeitgeistmedia.net/gimp/gimpstreamline.png Suggestions and comments are very welcome and appreciated. It is great that you took the time to thnk about how to improve the GIMP but keep in mind that you suggested
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining
On 1 Sep 2003, Willie Sippel wrote: Date: 01 Sep 2003 20:09:23 +0200 From: Willie Sippel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining Hi there. First post, so please go easy on me ;-). Also Gimp always gets better and more powerful, the interface still needs a lot of work. It almost looks like yet another Photoshop clone - I really dont think GIMP looks at all like Photoshop although ... and even if Photoshop is some sort of de facto standard, it's interface is pretty clumsy and inefficient. ... I agree Photoshop is far from perfect either. 1.) Remove unnecessary buttons from the main toolbox to reduce clutter: Smudge, Dodge or Burn, Blur or Sharpen, Erase, Zoom, Color Picker; I also would love for the toolbox to be customizable http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105764 but comletely removing the buttons as you suggest without anyway to add them back will likely displease many different people depending on which features they happen to use, personally I would miss the Zoom button. It might also be worth considering better to do like Photoshop and Sodipodi and have button submenus, that when you click and hold you get more of the related items. Screenshot of Adobe Photoshop toolbox submenu http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/gimp/screenshots/photoshop/AdobePhotoshop-clicknhold.png shorter link to Photoshop screenshot http://tardis.linux.ie/1653/matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie 5.) The Color Picker should become available when you click the foreground or background color in the main toolbar, and should set the respective color (set foreground when you clicked the foreground color); This is already the case in GIMP 1.2, just double click on it. 6.) Add 'Alpha' to the Color Picker; Consider carefully if the more user friendly term Transparency should be used. 8.) Remove the giant FG/ BG preview at the bottom of the 'Colors' window to make the interface more compact; There is an option to hide the brush+pattern preview, an additional option to hide the colours widget might be an acceptable idea (but there is always the matter of getting some one to write the needed code). 9.) The remaining buttons on the main toolbox should be reordered: Brush | Pen | Airbrush | Ink | Text | Fill | Select | Transform | Create paths | Measure tools care to explain your reasoning for this reordering? 15.) Remove the brush and pattern preview from the main toolbox, because it clutters the toolbox - it's redundant, anyway, because there is allready a preview in the tool settings window. It might be even better to also remove the pattern preview from the tool settings and show the selected pattern on the color preview of the main toolbox; There is already a preference to remove it. Toolbox, File, Preferences... Interface, [] Display Brush, Pattern and Gradient Indicators. 16.) The color preview on the main toolbox should be redesigned: some paint programs have differnt designs, some even allow you to choose which design you like best but I dont understand what is wrong with the current design, please explain why your suggestion is better. Some other small suggestions, as well as many of the described suggestions are on the mock-up, http://www.zeitgeistmedia.net/gimp/gimpstreamline.png Suggestions and comments are very welcome and appreciated. It is great that you took the time to thnk about how to improve the GIMP but keep in mind that you suggested a whole lot of changes that could take a long time to get done iff there is a developer interested in making the changes you suggest. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
