Re: [Gimp-user] de-mosaic ?
On Nov 22, 2007 5:19 AM, David Gowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 22, 2007 11:43 AM, Elwin Estle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does filtersenhancedespeckle maybe do what you want? Here is the relevant doc page. http://docs.gimp.org/en/plug-in-despeckle.html That might work as a workaround. Demosaicing is a specific algorityhm though -- GEGL implements a demosaicing op, for example. Richard, if you were willing to use the gegl commandline, you could demosaic those pages quickly. The demosaicing operation implemented in GEGL is the nearest neighbour equivalenet of demosicing, thus not really suitable for real work. It is alos highly doubtful that you want to (bayer) demosaic something coming from a scanner, since there isn't a good reason for the scanner to provide a bayer pattern in the first place. /Øyvind K. -- «The future is already here. It's just not very evenly distributed» -- William Gibson http://pippin.gimp.org/http://ffii.org/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Azerty keyboard problem with 2.4.2 gimp release
Hi, and first congratulations for the great job :), GIMP is amazing. My problem thow is : I am a french user, and therefore using our only-us-have-it azerty keyboard on a Windows XP sp 2 PC, and in gimp the keyboard is treated as a qwerty keyboard (only in GIMP I verified it). The strange thing is that at the first GIMP launch following the installation, the keyboard was correctly treated as an azerty keyboard. But this appears after I left GIMP and reboot my PC : next launch the keyboard is in QWERTY. This is very annoying, first for using textboxes, and the most for keyboard shortcuts use !!! (my CTRL+Z shortcut is interpreted as a CTRL+W, which asks me each time if I want to save my work before to close) Please, help me get rid of this cause it's the only thing that I find annoying on GIMP Best regards Gabriel ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Azerty keyboard problem with 2.4.2 gimp release
[EDIT] I'm sending this message again as I don't know if the first one succeeded for my inscription was not fully completed at the time I sent it [/EDIT] Hi, and first congratulations for the great job :), GIMP is amazing. My problem thow is : I am a french user, and therefore using our only-us-have-it azerty keyboard on a Windows XP sp 2 PC, and in gimp the keyboard is treated as a qwerty keyboard (only in GIMP I verified it). The strange thing is that at the first GIMP launch following the installation, the keyboard was correctly treated as an azerty keyboard. But this appears after I left GIMP and reboot my PC : next launch the keyboard is in QWERTY. This is very annoying, first for using textboxes, and the most for keyboard shortcuts use !!! (my CTRL+Z shortcut is interpreted as a CTRL+W, which asks me each time if I want to save my work before to close) Please, help me get rid of this cause it's the only thing that I find annoying on GIMP Best regards Gabriel ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] PLEASE HELP
I create a new page. When I try to draw on it, the image on the background is offset from where the cursor is. In other words the cursor is in one place and the drawing appears to its right. Image attached. My Mouse pointer with the little paintbrush was in the position marked with the red arrow. This means that the image was created as it should but off set to the right of where my mouse was moving. This was using a Genius Pen pad. When I use the standard mouse, the image does not even appear on the canvas. I presume it is being painted somewhere off canvas. Try going to preferences - input devices - configure extended input devices Select your tablet (even if it is already selected, I have to for some reason) and I'm guessing Mode may be set to Window. Change this to Screen, press save, close, and try again. (You may also want to press Save Input Device Settings Now in the input devices tab) What window mode does, is use the whole tablet to fit the dimensions of the image, that means if you have you pen at the top of the pad, it will be at the top of the image, not the desktop. However, if your window manager catches the pen input to use as a mouse, then as soon as you move the mous out of the image window, GIMP will no longer notice it, and stop moving the drawing cursor. This is how it works in MS Windows. Si ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Reducing noise with multiple exposures
I'm trying to reduce noise using multiple photos of the very same subject, using both a tripod or simply repeating a scan a number of times ( i have a flatbed scanner with a lot of noise especially in dark areas... ) So far i have tried with my old broken camera that had powerful noise at 400 iso and first results are not bad at all. Samples: http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6967/prova1wc2.jpg http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/448/prova2xh7.jpg http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7589/prova3on7.jpg ( heavy purple fringing is probably due to the fact that i choosed 5/7 of the max resolution, 5 mp instead of 7 ) But i have still some questions: I have used the first level, as normal, with 100% opacity, then i have added other 9 levels ( 9 photos ), with opacity 100/9=11,1, and mode set to normal. If i use 10 levels, at 10% opacity each one, the brightness of the result is different from the original ( lighter ). An example: i would like to use a grayscale image, shot 3 times. For a given pixel, i have that first image is 200, second 190, third 192. So i would like to have as a result (200+190+192)/3=194 So what do you think i should use? Thank you in advance. Giulio. DEXGATEMICRO il centralino VoIP multifunzione per l'azienda. Prova gratuita per 4 utenti! Scopri tutte le funzionalita' sul sito Dexgate.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Reducing noise with multiple exposures
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2007-11-24 at 1903.37 -): I'm trying to reduce noise using multiple photos of the very same subject, using both a tripod or simply repeating a scan a number of times ( i have a flatbed scanner with a lot of noise especially in dark areas... ) [...] I have used the first level, as normal, with 100% opacity, then i have added other 9 levels ( 9 photos ), with opacity 100/9=11,1, and mode set to normal. If i use 10 levels, at 10% opacity each one, the brightness of the result is different from the original ( lighter ). The trick for mixing this way is that the N layer has to be set to 1/N opacity. The reasoning is that the N layer will contribute that factor, and the rest ((N-1)/N) has to come from the previous mixed layers, so the result always totals 100% ((1 + N-1)/N). First (base) layer 1/1 - 100%, second layer (the one just above base) 1/2 - 50% (and the other 50% comes from the first), third layer 1/3 - 33.33% (and the other 66.66% comes from the 1 and 2) and so on. This approach will probably have rounding errors. So what do you think i should use? Imagemagick. Simpler, faster and maybe even less rounding issues (it can add all images at once, then do a single multiply by 1/N, at least that is how I would code such op). :] convert image1.png ... imageN.png -average result.png I investigated the topic for mixing different frames time ago to create more film like renders (lots of other things in the trick, but finding a fast and nice average op was one of the core issues I had to solve): http://www.infernal-iceberg.com/blender/mblur/ GSR ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] mask tutorial
Masks give you a lot of control over things, plus, until you apply them, they are non destructive. Here is one tutorial on them : http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/Shadows-And-Glows-3-d-Effects-4624-1.html And another : http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/The-Layer-mask-Rendering-Method-18687-1.html They are also very handy for doing effects in GAP. --- Helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to learn about layer masks. I'm probably missing something important, but seems to me that one can get the same result with less effort by simply erasing what one does not want in an image, and keeping what is left. Or is there something different achieved by masking? Thanks, Helen, using Gimp 2.2.10 on SuSE ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Out of office on Vacation
I will be out of the office starting 11/16/2007 and will not return until 11/26/2007. On Vacation. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] mask tutorial
On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 15:29 -0500, Helen wrote: I'm trying to learn about layer masks. I'm probably missing something important, but seems to me that one can get the same result with less effort by simply erasing what one does not want in an image, and keeping what is left. Or is there something different achieved by masking? Thanks, Helen, using Gimp 2.2.10 on SuSE Have a look at http://meetthegimp.org/ there are several good examples of using layer masks. Norman ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] mask tutorial
Here is one tutorial on them : http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/Shadows-And-Glows-3-d-Effects-4624-1.html And another : http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/The-Layer-mask-Rendering-Method-18687-1.html They are also very handy for doing effects in GAP. Tried both of these but Firefox can't find them. I wonder why? Norman ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] mask tutorial
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [11-24-07 16:20]: Here is one tutorial on them : http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/Shadows-And-Glows-3-d-Effects-4624-1.html And another : http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/The-Layer-mask-Rendering-Method-18687-1.html They are also very handy for doing effects in GAP. Tried both of these but Firefox can't find them. I wonder why? appears to be down, not responding to pings and address is unresolvable. Maybe they have not paid/renewed their domain/fees??? - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHSJ7aClSjbQz1U5oRAru3AKCNNt+kZtL7NLXSHYP9jYpvTN07sQCfV9MY 6b0ehmpo+kNW2sV01QtExSM= =YSzi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Save all opened files with ONE click, or with script...
Sven Neumann wrote: script-fu-save-all-images is a name in the script-fu namespace. This namespace should be kept for scripts that are distributed with Script-Fu. It would be safer to call your script for example saulgoode-save-all-images. If we ever added a script called script-fu-save-all-images to GIMP, your script would not clash with it. Thanks again for the information. It is a very reasonable policy of which I was unaware. From what I have seen, the vast majority of third-party Script-fu authors also are unaware of this and there is a Script-fu tutorial on GIMP.org which recommends using the script-fu- namespace (see below). There is currently a fairly extensive effort ongoing to update older scripts to assure compatibility with the TinyScheme-based interpreter. Would you recommend that these updates be encouraged to avoid the script-fu- namespace? If so, can we perhaps recommend a namespace convention for third-party scripts that might be more standardized? While using the script author's name as a base for the namespace would solve conflicts, perhaps we could also suggest a prefix to that so that third-party scripts would be easily recognized and grouped within the PDB browser (e.g., using sf-author- as a namespace). == http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-using-script-fu-tutorial-first-script.html 3.4.4. Naming Conventions ... It's GIMP convention to name your script functions script-fu-abc, because then when they're listed in the procedural database, they'll all show up under script-fu when you're listing the functions. This also helps distinguish them from plug-ins. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] mask tutorial
Guess they have server problems...again When I sent the email, I went to the actual sites and cut and pasted the address. Give it a bit, then try again. --- Patrick Shanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [11-24-07 16:20]: Here is one tutorial on them : http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/Shadows-And-Glows-3-d-Effects-4624-1.html And another : http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/The-Layer-mask-Rendering-Method-18687-1.html They are also very handy for doing effects in GAP. Tried both of these but Firefox can't find them. I wonder why? appears to be down, not responding to pings and address is unresolvable. Maybe they have not paid/renewed their domain/fees??? - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHSJ7aClSjbQz1U5oRAru3AKCNNt+kZtL7NLXSHYP9jYpvTN07sQCfV9MY 6b0ehmpo+kNW2sV01QtExSM= =YSzi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Out of office on Vacation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be out of the office starting 11/16/2007 and will not return until 11/26/2007. BIG party at Andy's house on the 25th! -- Until later, Geoffrey Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Feathered selections
Links to the brushes are here: Watercolor Paint: http://iceytina.deviantart.com/art/GIMP-PaintBrushes-Watercolors-31117244 Can someone explain how to get these brushes? How to install them into Gimp 2.2.10, on SuSE 10, Linux? 1. Click on the download item (iceytina_paint_watercolorsGIMP.zip) 2. Move the zip file to your ~/.gimp-2.2/brushes directory 3. Unzip them there Alternatively to 2 and 3 above, move the zip file to a new directory and unzip it in that directory, then copy or move the gbr files to your brushes directory Owen ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Feathered selections
I know there is another reply to this...but, since you might not know where your brushes directory is. You will have a hidden directory in your homve folder for gimp (whatever file manager you are using, Konqueror or Nautilus, should have an option to show hidden files). In this hidden folder will be some sub folders. One of them is for brushes. What I ususally do, so I don't have to keep turning on and off the hidden files, is to make a link to that folder (the brushes folder) and put it in my main home directory. Then the folder can stay hidden, but I will have an easy way to access it. You would just download the brushes and extract them into the link to the folder. --- Helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Links to the brushes are here: Watercolor Paint: http://iceytina.deviantart.com/art/GIMP-PaintBrushes-Watercolors-31117244 Can someone explain how to get these brushes? How to install them into Gimp 2.2.10, on SuSE 10, Linux? Thanks, Helen ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Out of office on Vacation
Geoffrey wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be out of the office starting 11/16/2007 and will not return until 11/26/2007. BIG party at Andy's house on the 25th! Send me directions, I'll be there! Jon ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Feathered selections
Thanks Elwin and Owen. I'm almost there. I downloaded, and *finally* found the file. It had gone into /tmp. And then I found the hidden files containing the brushes. Using Konqueror, I moved the zip file over to the /home/helen/.gimp-2.2/brushes directory. Then I clicked on the zip:/home/helen/.gimp-2.2/brushes/iceytina_paint_oilpastelsGIMP.zip/ file, and then I got a message saying The file zip:/home/helen/.gimp-2.2/brushes/iceytina_paint_oilpastelsGIMP.zip/iceytina-oilpastel_coarse01.gbr is a binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file. Would you give me some advice as to what I should do next? On Nov 24, 2007 7:43 PM, Elwin Estle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there is another reply to this...but, since you might not know where your brushes directory is. You will have a hidden directory in your homve folder for gimp (whatever file manager you are using, Konqueror or Nautilus, should have an option to show hidden files). In this hidden folder will be some sub folders. One of them is for brushes. What I ususally do, so I don't have to keep turning on and off the hidden files, is to make a link to that folder (the brushes folder) and put it in my main home directory. Then the folder can stay hidden, but I will have an easy way to access it. You would just download the brushes and extract them into the link to the folder. --- Helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Links to the brushes are here: Watercolor Paint: http://iceytina.deviantart.com/art/GIMP-PaintBrushes-Watercolors-31117244 Can someone explain how to get these brushes? How to install them into Gimp 2.2.10, on SuSE 10, Linux? Thanks, Helen ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Feathered selections
See the last point, or 1. Open up a (k)console or terminal 2. At the prompt, change directory to the gimp brush directory # cd .gimp-2.2/brushes 3. Do a listing to make sure you are there # ls 4. Then unzip the file. # unzip iceytina_paint_oilpastelsGIMP.zip Type unzip iceTab and it should auto complete for you 5. Do another listing to see what you have Alternative is to Right click on your file in Konqueror, one of the entries will be to Extract or similiar Owen Thanks Elwin and Owen. I'm almost there. I downloaded, and *finally* found the file. It had gone into /tmp. And then I found the hidden files containing the brushes. Using Konqueror, I moved the zip file over to the /home/helen/.gimp-2.2/brushes directory. Then I clicked on the zip:/home/helen/.gimp-2.2/brushes/iceytina_paint_oilpastelsGIMP.zip/ file, and then I got a message saying The file zip:/home/helen/.gimp-2.2/brushes/iceytina_paint_oilpastelsGIMP.zip/iceytina-oilpastel_coarse01.gbr is a binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file. Would you give me some advice as to what I should do next? On Nov 24, 2007 7:43 PM, Elwin Estle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there is another reply to this...but, since you might not know where your brushes directory is. You will have a hidden directory in your homve folder for gimp (whatever file manager you are using, Konqueror or Nautilus, should have an option to show hidden files). In this hidden folder will be some sub folders. One of them is for brushes. What I ususally do, so I don't have to keep turning on and off the hidden files, is to make a link to that folder (the brushes folder) and put it in my main home directory. Then the folder can stay hidden, but I will have an easy way to access it. You would just download the brushes and extract them into the link to the folder. --- Helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Links to the brushes are here: Watercolor Paint: http://iceytina.deviantart.com/art/GIMP-PaintBrushes-Watercolors-31117244 Can someone explain how to get these brushes? How to install them into Gimp 2.2.10, on SuSE 10, Linux? Thanks, Helen ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Feathered selections
Thanks!! Wow, this sure is easy when you know how to do it :-) Thanks, Helen On Nov 24, 2007 11:24 PM, Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See the last point, or 1. Open up a (k)console or terminal 2. At the prompt, change directory to the gimp brush directory # cd .gimp-2.2/brushes 3. Do a listing to make sure you are there # ls 4. Then unzip the file. # unzip iceytina_paint_oilpastelsGIMP.zip Type unzip iceTab and it should auto complete for you 5. Do another listing to see what you have Alternative is to Right click on your file in Konqueror, one of the entries will be to Extract or similiar Owen Thanks Elwin and Owen. I'm almost there. I downloaded, and *finally* found the file. It had gone into /tmp. And then I found the hidden files containing the brushes. Using Konqueror, I moved the zip file over to the /home/helen/.gimp-2.2/brushes directory. Then I clicked on the zip:/home/helen/.gimp-2.2/brushes/iceytina_paint_oilpastelsGIMP.zip/ file, and then I got a message saying The file zip:/home/helen/.gimp-2.2 /brushes/iceytina_paint_oilpastelsGIMP.zip/iceytina-oilpastel_coarse01.gbr is a binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file. Would you give me some advice as to what I should do next? On Nov 24, 2007 7:43 PM, Elwin Estle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there is another reply to this...but, since you might not know where your brushes directory is. You will have a hidden directory in your homve folder for gimp (whatever file manager you are using, Konqueror or Nautilus, should have an option to show hidden files). In this hidden folder will be some sub folders. One of them is for brushes. What I ususally do, so I don't have to keep turning on and off the hidden files, is to make a link to that folder (the brushes folder) and put it in my main home directory. Then the folder can stay hidden, but I will have an easy way to access it. You would just download the brushes and extract them into the link to the folder. --- Helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Links to the brushes are here: Watercolor Paint: http://iceytina.deviantart.com/art/GIMP-PaintBrushes-Watercolors-31117244 Can someone explain how to get these brushes? How to install them into Gimp 2.2.10, on SuSE 10, Linux? Thanks, Helen ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
