Re: [Gimp-user] What is the scale of Levels?
Hi David, Obviously, you're more concerned about the mailing list. I know about flame wars and never do that. I do 100% agree that I should have emailed him personally on his own email address instead of this list but it's really shocking to read your stern reply. Does the freedom to say what you want to say really mean that you can say _whatever_ you want??? And, that too on a public mailing list??? Is _that_ an etiquette ? Aren't you hurting the feelings of so many thousands on this list by posting such offensive language/quotes on a public mailing list? Now who is hurting who? Can't you really see that that very offensive quote can start many flame wars now and in future? It's not me - I am not flaming. It's the quote. I don't have anything personal against you or Darxus but posting such offensive quotes on a public mailing list is way too offensive and can really start way more than a flame war. Please stop it. -Asif On 8/25/09, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Asif Lodhiasif.lo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 8/23/09, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. - Nietzsche Would you please stop using inappropriate language for God? Nietzsche also wrote God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead No doubt you disagree with that (I do not, myself.). Regardless, the topic that you brought up (and especially the way you brought it up; you are not the arbiter of 'inappropriate language for God', nor does the way you presented your *opinion* as if it were *factual* speak well of your honesty.) is one that is commonly regarded as one that should not be brought up, as a matter of etiquette, on a public mailing list. If the issue of another person putting particular quotes in their email signature bothers you, I suggest you email them privately and leave all mailing-lists out of it. It's far less likely to result in a flame war than what you did do (post to a public mailing list attempting to get Darxus to change his behaviour on account of your *opinion*) Flaming Flaming is the practice of attacking people on a personal level. While flaming is relatively common on the internet, almost everybody will claim they're opposed to it. They may even flame you for having flamed someone. It's all really confusing, actually. However, there are some fairly obvious things. Responding to someone's analysis of the deficit crisis by telling them that they probably walk funny or weren't breast fed could easily classify as flaming. Making rude comments about an individual's sexual organs or religion would also probably classify. Personally, I stick to a simple rule: **I say nothing about anybody that I can not back up with facts. I do not comment about people's religions, their eating habits, whether or not they smoke, etc**. If I decide to comment about someone's level of intelligence, I make sure I have good examples to support my comment. But even then, I do this very rarely. **emphasis** added by me. http://songweaver.com/netiquette.html and If you should find yourself in a disagreement with one person, make your responses to each other via mail rather than continue to send messages to the list or the group. If you are debating a point on which the group might have some interest, you may summarize for them later. http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html (RFC 1855, the 'official' netiquette guide) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Problem porting 1.x-Perl script to 2.x
Hello,
I'm trying to use a Perl script that makes use of Perl's Gimp module (the
simplified version Gimp::Fu) for Gimp Gimp versions 2.x. (I have GIMP 2.6.2
under OpenSUSE 11.2).
Whenever I try to execute the script from the Filters Perl-Fu menu option I
get error messages like:
Calling error for procedure 'gimp-procedural-db-proc-info':
Procedure 'gimp-gimp-image-new' not found.
The funny thing is that my procedures are correctly called in the script
('gimp-image-new', 'gimp-layer-new' ...), but somehow a 'gimp' is prepended
here.
Have you seen this before? How can I solve the problem?
Thanks in advance for your help,
Michael
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[Gimp-user] Gimp help pages (Windows)
I saw the post on the issue with Gimp help pages. Did this ever get resolved? I've never used Gimp before but after installing 2.6.7 I get the same behavior. Dave Detty ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] how to use layers
I've read the documentation several times and every tutorial I could get my hands on, but I still can't make any sense out of how to properly use layers.. For example, I want to merge two pictures, by taking some regions from one picture and some from another. I though I could do this by making unwanted regions transparent - this seems obvious. I also tried some other techniques basd on a few tutorials, but none seemed to work well. But I simply don't get results that make any sense. The vagueness of the docuemntation and being unable to find any other guide is not helping. Is this a case where GIMP simply makes it so difficult compared to Photoshop that I'd be better off buying a Windows machine and using Photoshop? I wanted to use GIMP for my photo manipulation. I had assumed after all these years that it was usable. I hope I'm not forced to go to Photoshop over something simple like this. If there's no chance that GIMP can be used as efficiently as photoshop, perhaps it would be sensible to give up sooner rather than later. But this is a big expense for me, at the least I'll need to buy a second machine, or give up on Linux on the desktop altogether. It's so tragic that after all these years, GIMP's user interface has seen no improvement. I had hoped that at least the documentation would be useful. -- thomas w. (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] how to use layers
thomas w. for...@gimpusers.com wrote: I've read the documentation several times and every tutorial I could get my hands on, but I still can't make any sense out of how to properly use layers.. For example, I want to merge two pictures, by taking some regions from one picture and some from another. I though I could do this by making unwanted regions transparent - this seems obvious. I also tried some other techniques basd on a few tutorials, but none seemed to work well. The best way to merge two pictures is probably to copy the relevant part of the first one (make a selection with one of the numerous tools and copy it) and then to paste it into the other picture. Then you have a new floating selection on this picture, and you may decide whether you want to immediately merge it into the background, or probably better, you prefer to make it a new layer. But I simply don't get results that make any sense. The vagueness of the docuemntation and being unable to find any other guide is not helping. I'm much more suspecting the vagueness of your explanations: what exactly are you doing, and what results do you get? Is this a case where GIMP simply makes it so difficult compared to Photoshop that I'd be better off buying a Windows machine and using Photoshop? Certainly not. Using layers is really basic in GIMP, and anybody can manage to do this. By all means, don't buy anything more, you already have all what you need! I wanted to use GIMP for my photo manipulation. I had assumed after all these years that it was usable. I hope I'm not forced to go to Photoshop over something simple like this. GIMP is very suited to photo manipulation. Ask the proper questions and you will get useful answers. If there's no chance that GIMP can be used as efficiently as photoshop, perhaps it would be sensible to give up sooner rather than later. But this is a big expense for me, at the least I'll need to buy a second machine, or give up on Linux on the desktop altogether. Already said, already answered. It's so tragic that after all these years, GIMP's user interface has seen no improvement. I had hoped that at least the documentation would be useful. What are your specific criticisms about the interface and the documentation? -- Olivier Lecarme ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] how to use layers
On 08/25/2009 07:23 PM, thomas w. wrote: I've read the documentation several times and every tutorial I could get my hands on, but I still can't make any sense out of how to properly use layers.. For example, I want to merge two pictures, by taking some regions from one picture and some from another. Hi, This seems like the first thing you need to grasp about layers: layers are not supposed to be merged, the whole point of layers is that they allow you to divide an image into several independent parts. Instead of merging, you could add a layer mask to the top-most layer and get rid of the parts you don't want using the mask. It's so tragic that after all these years, GIMP's user interface has seen no improvement. I had hoped that at least the documentation would be useful. GIMP development happens slowly but steadily. Being completely ignorant about the efforts that have been made to improve the GIMP UI lately is a good way to demotivate further work to be done. Just have some patience, or better, help us improve GIMP instead of complaining. BR, Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] how to use layers
I've read the documentation several times and every tutorial I could get my hands on, but I still can't make any sense out of how to properly use layers.. I felt like this not so long ago and then along came Rolf Steinort and www.meetthegimp.org and things started to fall into place. Norman ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp help pages (Windows)
Hi, On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 09:53 -0400, Detty, David W wrote: I saw the post on the issue with Gimp help pages. Did this ever get resolved? I’ve never used Gimp before but after installing 2.6.7 I get the same behavior. The GIMP docs team hasn't made a release of the user manual for GIMP 2.6 yet. All you can do at this point is using the installer for the last release, which handles GIMP 2.4. It is available from http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/old.html Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] how to use layers
thomas w. wrote: I wanted to use GIMP for my photo manipulation. I had assumed after all these years that it was usable. I hope I'm not forced to go to Photoshop over something simple like this. GIMP is really good for photo post-processing. I use it a lot; even though I bought a laptop with some stuff preinstalled, photoshop elements included. I gave it a couple tries, but I feel more comfortable with the Gimp (despite the fact that for some particular images I like the sharpening tool best that the filters/enhance/unsharpen mask in the Gimp. Overall, I have ended by no using PE at all. If there's no chance that GIMP can be used as efficiently as photoshop, perhaps it would be sensible to give up sooner rather than later. But this is a big expense for me, at the least I'll need to buy a second machine, or give up on Linux on the desktop altogether. The Gimp is a complex and powerful tool, which means it has a learning curve. But it is not by any means less efficiently usable than photoshop. If anything, you could say about the lack of support for CMYK (it is on the way) and bit depth = 8 (improving this is in the way too). It's so tragic that after all these years, GIMP's user interface has seen no improvement. I had hoped that at least the documentation would be useful. Concerning to the UI, I'd say that it is matter of tastes. I really like the Gimp UI; it feels less crammed with stuff, as you can work directly on the image window, and by using the tab key bring the tools window back and forth. I really hope the Gimp developers are not planning to 'photoshop-ize' it!. And the documentation is useful enough! For advise with how to set the layout in the UI, as well as for the layers stuff, I really recommend visiting http://meetthegimp.org. For a lazy guy like me, it really made the difference! In about 10 chapters, you'll be able to solve the UI and layers stuff, and maybe you'll feel compelled to watch the rest of the chapters. Hope it helps Cheers ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] how to use layers
thomas w. writes: For example, I want to merge two pictures, by taking some regions from one picture and some from another. I though I could do this by making unwanted regions transparent - this seems obvious. Yes, that's exactly the way to do it. And the best way to do that is to make a layer mask on the upper layer, then paint black, white or grey on the layer mask according to how transparent you want to make it (black for transparent, white for opaque). Is this a case where GIMP simply makes it so difficult compared to Photoshop that I'd be better off buying a Windows machine and using Photoshop? Not at all! Layer masks make this very straightforward in GIMP. For instance, start with step 4 of the selective colorization tutorial: http://gimp.org/tutorials/Selective_Color/ Or try a short video tutorial I made demonstrating layer masks: http://apress.com/book/view/1430210702 ...Akkana Beginning GIMP: From Novice to Professional: http://gimpbook.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] GEGL crashes Gimp 2.6.6 on XP (solved!)
Using Gimp 2.6.6 on XP SP3 and all current updates. When attempting at open the GEGL dialog, Gimp crashes. Anything else that I try works just fine (so far). Is this known? Is there a work around? Gimp 2.6.4 did not crash. Downloaded and installed Gimp 2.6.7 and it appears the the GEGL issue has been resolved. It works, I'm happy and MANY thanks to the developers for providing this application. Regards, John -- John (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Set active layer by referring to its name
On Thursday 20 August 2009, saulgo...@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com wrote: Quoting professor for...@gimpusers.com: When using Gimp interactively, I can assign names to the different layers, e.g. p1, p2, p3 etc. Now, is it possible to set a layer active by referring to its name? E.g.: gimp-image-set-active-layer p1 ? You will have to manually search the list of layers for the one with the matching name. The following function will do so for a given image, returning the layerID (or 0 if not found). (define (find-layer-by-name image s) (let* ( (layer's (vector-list (cadr (gimp-image-get-layers image (found 0) ) (while (pair? layer's) (if (string=? s (car (gimp-layer-get-name (car layer's (set! found (car layer's)) ) (set! layer's (cdr layer's)) ) found ) ) Huh???ah, You mean: def find_layer_by_name (image, name): for layer in image: if layer.name == name: return layer return None (yes, this is the actual python code for it, not pseudo-code) you just need a proper register call to have it as a gimp-plugin Scheme was great for its time - when computers could not hold interpreters mroe complex than what is needed to handle scheme. Scheme may still be usefull -and look great - for people who already hae it flowing in their veins. But the truth is that for very single problems one have to go through a lot of work around to get to the core of it. One of the ideas of Python, as a very high level language is not to stay between you and the problem, as you can see by the snippet above. js -- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Set active layer by referring to its name
Sorry -- there was an error in my python function On Wednesday 26 August 2009, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: Huh???ah, You mean: def find_layer_by_name (image, name): - for layer in image: + for layer in image.layers: if layer.name == name: return layer return None That is the correct version. js -- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
