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Empowering rural women... the self-help group way. Really?

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Empowering Rural Women in Goa:
An appraisal of Self-Help Groups under SGSY
Arlette M H Mascarenhas
Goa Institute of Rural Development  Administration
Ela, Old Goa
No date mentioned. 96pp.
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It's one of those schemes with an unpronounceable, almost
unrememberable names, probably crafted by bureaucrats with a
one-size-fits-all approach in New Delhi. So who's to blame
for not recognising sufficiently the Swarnajayanti Gram
Swarojgar Yojana (SGSY Scheme)?

Do we fail to appreciate its potential? Have we just become
cynical of all government? Have we no empathy left for rural
concerns? Or is this all just official spin?

Mascarenhas introduces the SGSY as one of the micro-credit
programmes for women (that are being) increasingly lauded by
development agencies as an effective intervention with a
positive impact on economic growth and improvement of the
social status of women. This is not necessarily true in Goa,
but in other parts of the 'developing' world and India.

So how is this being played out in Goa? Does it go beyond the
traditional pickles-and-papads model? Does it impart new
skills?

  This study looks at Ponda and Quepem talukas. It
  focuses on all-women self-help groups. Ponda is
  described as the land of temples, singing, drama
  and folk-art. Becoming a tourism spot, with many
  engaged in tourism-related activited and
  agriculture, it's very different from hilly Quepem
  with its villages scattered. Quepem's people depend
  on agriculture and farming.

Mascarenhas says Goa has 426 self-help groups under the SGSY.
With names like Nagesh SHG, Betora SHG or Kamakshi SHG,
Navdurga SHG, Mahalsa SHG, and Sateri SHG, these tiny
insitutions are bringing about a change in the way women
perceive themselves, and their abilities.

Or, are they?

So what do they do? Mascarenhas writes: Their activities
include vegetable, flower and coconut selling, taking
catering orders at weddings and feasts; and selling flowers,
making and selling masala powder, pickles, sweets, papads,
shell items, etc.

Ponda's many temples, notes the author, creates good
business for selling flowers and coconut. But then,
shouldn't value-added speedy skill upgradation be a priority
with Goa's rural womenfolk? Can we just manage with a 'more
of the same' approach?

In Quepem, meanwhile, self-help groups now have an income
from Rs 3000 to even Rs 6000 and even around Rs 8,000 at
times. This sum may seem like a pittance, when converted
into dollar-equivalents. But consider the fact that many
parts of Goa simply don't have access to the monetised
economy. And that, till a generation ago, most people lived
without money in any case. On the other hand, we can't get
smug with a this-is-fine approach!

Activities are mostly agricultural like cashew, fruit and
coconut selling, dairy farming, with a few taking up to
sweet-making and candle-making.

Amidst a whole lot of detail -- such as what motivated women
to join, family incomes before and after joining the
self-help groups, attitudes within the groups, group
functioning and more -- there is also an attempt to sketch
the broad picture.

Some conclusions:

* Such groups can do much better in Goa.
* Mere financial assistance does not help the women.
* Many women do not possess prior experience in production.
* They need institutional support.
* Training, skill upgradation, marketing strategies is their need.
* Information on the latest available technology is also key.
* Such schemes are meant mainly for BPL (below the poverty line)
sections; but others too manipulate and squeeze in.
* Officials need to focus on quality groups, rather than
just forming groups for quality sake.
* Officials need training in rural communication, and
patience with the rural poor.
* Before introducing credit programmes, officials need to
offer brainstorming sessions on the principles of
micro-credit.
* Group members need to act as managers and watchdogs,
ensuring discipline on themselves and reducing dependency on
outsiders.
* Villagers need training in marketing techniques.

Mascarenhas' report suggests that such groups venture into
other activities -- fruit, fish and meat processing or
canning; tailoring, flower and candle-making; organic
farming;

[Goanet] 22nd Sept. Dr. Samir Kelekar to speak at FRIDAY BALCAO.

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Dear Cybergaonkars on Goanet,

Friday Balcao the fortnightly discussion event to be held
on 22nd September will focus on the need for citizens to
leverage technology to push democracy transparency.
Dr. Samir Kelekar will lead the discussion by making a
presentation on the topic in the context of Goa.

Dr. Samir Kelekar has over 23 years of experience in the
world-wide IT industry. He is currently the founder-director
of Teknotrends Software, Bangalore, a company that does
cutting edge work in the exciting and growing field of network
security.

A BTech from IIT Bombay and a PhD from the famous
Ivy-league Columbia University, New York, USA, Samir
has worked at Fortune 500 companies such as Motorola,
Alcatel and IBM Research.

He has published in top international journals and has
written for top IT trade magazines. He has spent
around 10 years studying and working in the USA before
returning to India. He consults for top Silicon Valley
based start up companies.

He is a true blooded Goenkar who did his primary
education in Konkani and studied at Bhatikar High
School and Chowgule College Margao. He was a board
ranker in Goa having stood first in the 12th.

Though out of Goa since the age of 16, Samir has been
constantly in touch with what is happening in Goa,
visits Goa very often and takes active part in issues
relating to the people in Goa. He is highly active in Goan
cyberspace, including yahoo groups such as those of
the linux users group and the Computer Society of
India, Goa Chapter.

There are a handful of Goans today who have both an
expertise, experience and reputation in the IT world,
and understanding of the issues and psyche of the Goan
people. Samir is one of them.

Today, technology and communications are synonymous.
Samir will talk about few instances where technology
worldwide has been used to further democracy and transparency.

Some of them are hectivism, use of technology for sting operations,
the effect of a group such as moveon.org in the US, how people are
using internet to break China's tough censors and so on and so forth.

Samir will then identify situations and opportunities wherein
citizens in Goa can also leverage technology in this direction and respond
to questions.

How can students youth in Goa use the technology facilities they
have in their educational institutions to further democracy and
transparency ? What will e-governance mean to citizens in Goa
in the context of their Village Panchayats and Municipal Councils ?
Will e-governance get a boost in the context of Goa being promoted
as a centre for the IT industry ?

The Balcao discussion will cover these questions and
also evolve an agenda for action by citizens on the issue.

Friday Balcao will be from 4pm to 6pm
at the Goa Desc Resource Centre
No.11 Liberty Apartments Feira Alta,
Mapusa and is open to members of the public.

We invite you to attend the Friday Balcao event
but if you cannot attend, then please send your
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Re: [Goanet] Calapur (4 -pillars) Development - Comments

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CONFIDENTIAL

GOA COASTAL ZONE MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY
C/o, Department of Science, Technology  Environment
Opp. Saligao Seminary, P.O. Saligao, Bardez, Goa - 403 511
PhonesL0832) 407186, 407187, 407189 Fax: (0832) 407186

Date: 29/05/2001
Ref. No. GCZMA/N/134/01/75
To
The Chief Town Planner
Town  Country Planning Department Panaji, Goa.

Sub: Proposed International Stadium at Santa Cruz.

Sir,

This has a reference to your letter No. TIS/3315/TCP/2000/243 dated
05/04/2001 on the above subject matter. It may be noted that in the absence
of a layout plan and other project details, it is not possible to make a
comprehensive analysis of the probable impacts of the proposed project.

However, due to the urgency indicated by you, we are enclosing herewith a
preliminary report of the possible impacts of a project of this magnitude
vis-à-vis the location in question. Consequently, from the environmental
angle, it appears that the proposed location may not be suitable for the
proposed stadium.

Yours faithfully,
Sd/-
(Dr. N.P.S. Varde)
Member Secretary.

Encl. As above.

CONFIDENTIAL

INSPECTION REPORT OF THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION SITE OF INTERNATIONAL STADIUM
AT SANTA CRUZ IN TISWADI TALUKA.

The site has an approximate area of 0.23 km2 covering Survey Nos. 531 to 542
and 557 to 575 of Santa Cruz village in Tiswadi Taluka. It is approachable
from Panaji  Santa Cruz by road and connected to the NH-17 by a narrow road
of 4 mts. The existing main road to the site is 6 mts. Wide and looped by a
narrow by-pass road of approximate width of 4 mts. Linking the main
Panaji-Cortalim NH-17.

The site is about 3 km from the Panaji bus stand and 0.5 km from the Santa
Cruz market.

Out of the above area, an area of 0.040 km2 covered under Survey Nos. 571,
535, 559, [541], [542], 573 and 567 is under salt pans, of which Survey No.
573 admeasuring an area of 0.0083 km2 is covered by active salt pans and an
area of 0.007 km2 is under pisciculture.

The area comprises of wetland with some mangroves and most of the area,
under Survey Nos. 542  541, of around 0.0102 km2, is water logged.

The mangrove ecosystem along with some coconut plantations is confined to
the area adjoining the bunds.

A number of coconut plantations are concentrated in pockets on the bunds in
the region. Adjacent to these bunds is a small structure having an approx,
area of 10 m2.

 A cement grill-making unit with a small structure is situated in survey No.
574.

An area of approximate 0.010 km2 under Survey No. 575 is already reclaimed
and currently being used as a playground for the Santa Cruz villagers.

A perennial rivulet subjected to direct tidal influence and having an
average width of 60 mts., is running parallel to the Northern part of the
area. Thus, the provisions of the CRZ Notification of 1991 affect part of
the proposed stadium site.

A power line passes through part of the area.

PRELIMINARY STATEMENT OF POSSIBLE IMPACT:

As the site comprises of wetlands, salt flats, mangroves, low-lying
agricultural land and a rivulet, the reclamation of this site for the
proposed stadium will have an adverse ecological impact on the ecosystem in
the region. The impacts would be as follows:
i.Damage to wetland flora and fauna.
ii.   Obstruction to natural water flow and drainage.
iii. Effect on the livelihood of traditional salt farmers.
iv. Effect on the pisciculture activity.
v.  Flooding of the adjoining low-lying area resulting in inundation of
surrounding agricultural land.
vi. Damage to the mangroves.
vii.   Effect on migratory birds.
viii.  Aesthetic degradation of the landscape.
ix. Induced reclamation and development of adjoining wetlands resulting
in drastic changes of the pristine ecosystem.

The proposed stadium site is located along the Southern bank of the tidal
rivulet having a  width of 60 mts. And hence part of the area is affected by
the CRZ Notification of 1991. This locality is classified as CRZ-III and as
such, the belt of land located within 60 mts. Of the High Tide Line (HTL)
parallel to the Southern bank of the rivulet is classified as No.
Development Zone (NDZ). Thus, an approximate area of 0.048 km2 which is
under the NDZ and an area of 0.010 km2 is unde rthe existing stadium will
have to be deducted from the gross area (0.23 km2) leaving only an area
0.172 km2 for the development of the stadium.
The existing road connecting Panaji city to Santa Cruz village through

Re: [Goanet] More info on the Cancer Myth re decency

2006-09-21 Thread Carvalho


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Decency is like pornography. You can't really define
what it is but you know it when you see it.

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[Goanet] GoaGroove.com

2006-09-21 Thread Roland Francis


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Re: [Goanet] Inconvenient truths/ Final response to Filomena Giese

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Sunith,
Thanks for the clarification.  Indeed, we can discuss
until the cows come home as Edwin Fernandes said and
not arrive at any solution.
Just briefly and finally (unless you have some other
comment which I would welcome)
1.  I gave my observations without too much in-depth
analysis of how the various problems arose and
certainly not with intent that they should be
abolished on the spot.  I merely noted the increase in
the number of slums in Goa since my visit there many
years ago, how noticeable this has become.  I did not
talk about abolishing these slums.
2.  Subsequently, when I was called elitist for my
wording about slums in Goa because I had mentioned
their negative effect on Goa, I responded that slums
should be abolished all over India, meaning that Goa
should not have special and preferential treatment.   
This was in the context of a  thought provoking and
general discussion about why slums arise and who
benefits from them and not about my original
observations on Goa.
It was confusing to link the article on slums in Assam
and the slums in Goa.  It was confusing to link the
slums in Goa and my general sentiments on slums in
India as a whole, which I feel should no longer exist
in today's wealthy India.
Filomena



--- Sunith Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Filomena,
 
 While you didn't say abolish in the article this
 is what you wrote in a 
 follow up response  I will let the reader decide
 who is more elitist- me, 
 who believes that all slums should be abolished
 in today's wealthy India . (end of quote)
 
 The word menace I believe was used by another
 netter in response to your 
 article. (That post is what made me respond!).
 
 Just clarifying. I do not wish to continue this
 argument any further.
 
 Regards
 Sunith Velho
 
 Filomena writes:
 
 You have read more into what I wrote in my list of
 observations on today's 
 Goa than was actually there.
 You had me callling slums a menace in an earlier
 post.  Now you imply to 
 the reader that I had proposed
 that slums be abolished. 
 
 
 


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Re: [Goanet] Pope Benny XVI Should Resign - Absolutely not.


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Yeah, Selma. For every time the Ku Klux Klan committed a racist crime,
our grandparents should have loudly apologised, or at least proclaimed
their dislike of the same. Since they didn't, we should be doing so.
And don't forget all those other crimes carried out in the names of
religions/belief systems/ideologies/national identities that we carry
along with us!

In this part of the globe, everytime India  plays Pakistan, the
Muslims here have to once again prove their patriotism. (Nobody asked
questions, as far as I can remember, when Goan women supported
Scandinavian football players in a match some years ago... and nothing
wrong with that either! It's just a choice everyone exercises, and
there are complex reasons why we make such choices.)

We're you ever asked to prove your liberal or tolerant bonafides just
because of the religious tradition you belong to, or the shade of your
skin colour?

When there are so many diverse Mulims around the globe, why does the
media focus just on the intolerant fringe within that culture and
religion? It's like the media showing Goans as drunks and vamps ...
even though there are so many of us sober guys and teetotallers
around!

What you see, and how you perceive the world, also depends on which
spectacles you choose to see it through. I would suggest the dominant
media in the West is suffering from an acute perspective problem as
far as Islam and its people currently go. And, everyone tends to get
infected by this, even if you generally depend on alternative sources
for your perspectives.

My visits to Malaysia and Bangladesh never once (except at the time of
Friday Jumma prayers, in Dhaka, which coincided with our meal-time)
reminded me I was in a different religious sphere. People there very
much wanted the same things we are after in life: a less dehumanising
and more meaningful existence. That's all  or at least, that's how
I perceived it.

But then maybe I wasnt' bombarded by this Islam=extremist=terrorist
filters that people who watch CNN, and read TIME get their dose of
(like pesticides in our cold-drinks!)

FN

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 The silence from their so-called voice of moderation
 is deafening, while fatwas are pronounced, holy-wars
 are incited against the infidels, beheadings are
 carried out under Sharia law, planes and towers are
 brought down in the name of Allah, embassies are
 burned to the ground on the flimsiest of excuses.
 Meanwhile the world is held hostage to Muslim
 sentiments outraged by cartoons and speeches.

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Rainbow FM. There's a programme on dementia going on ... with medical
professionals being interviewed. Just a factoid: estimated number of
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Re: [Goanet] Pope Benny XVI Should Resign and Elevate Amcho CardinalIvan Dias to Papacy !

2006-09-21 Thread cornel


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Hi Carmo
Paradoxically, for a Muslim country, Turkey badly needs Benedict's visit for 
political reasons. Turkey is pretty desperate to join the EU and even though 
Benedict had rejected this idea at one stage, Turkey has to be seen as being 
a mature democracy (with  particular emphases on human rights including the 
elimination of capital punishment and full acceptance of free speech), to 
help its passage to the EU. To this end, I think Turkey will, of necessity, 
stifle all its known hot heads before and during the Papal visit which in 
turn will be most carefully orchestrated.
Cornel
PS I have read the entire speech by Benedict. I believe he made an error of 
judgement at this juncture on using a pretty unhelpful  quote without 
adequate and transparent qualification. But his apology should be enough. I 
definitely cannot condone/support Muslim outrage over the Pope's speech. I 
really am tired of fundamentalist groups whether Sikh, Muslim, Christian or 
whatever, taking bigotry to extremes and especially trying to stifle free 
speech--the most treasured thing we have at our disposal.
Cornel

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[Goanet] Goanet News Headlines: Sept 21, 2006: Focus on stronger police... with a Western Indian states meet in Goa


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Goanet News Headlines: Sept 21, 2006

* Strengthen police force, Union home minister Shivraj Patil tells states. (NT)
* Home minister suggests police stations with speedboats in coastal states.GT
* Goa, Maharshtra, Gujarat moot joint action force plan. (H)
* Defiant Karnataka to go ahead with Rs 100 cr Kalasa border project. (H)
* Lalu Prasad Yadav, Rly Ministry, says put Skybus on track. (H)
* Pope Benedict told pilgrims that Muslim anger at his Germany speech
   was the result of an unfortunate misunderstanding. (H)
* All Indians in Thailand safe after military coup. (NT)
* Belgaum to host special session of Karnataka assly for five days. (NT)

* Congress trying to split BJP? Rumours over Azgaonkar, Ramrao. (GT)
* New Coastal Regulation Zoning may do away with 500 m ban. (H)
* Low voltage hampers minister Lalu's Skybus test ride at Margao. (H)
* Bid to burgle Farmacia Telles in Vasco foiled. (H)
* Salcete Shiv Sena workers storm police; Colva mundkar's house demolition.(H)
* Land acquisition for Betul food processing park soon: Luizinho. (H)
* Accord due respect to elected reps, argues Digambar Kamat. (H)

* Envirovision 2006 conf on environment from Sept 21 to 23 at Cidade. (H)
* St Theresa's Candolim to organised all-Goa Konkani monologue, Sept 23.
* Four day free mass healing, Kundalini meditation, this week in Panjim. (H)
* Davorlim consumer meet on Sept 24 at Flossy Coutinho's home. (H)
* Goa Science Centre seminar with Alliance Francaise, Sept 22, 6 pm. (H)
* Stress management workshop, Sept 23 at Rizvi Towers, 26 pm. (H)
* Free medical camp at Consua StVdeP Sept 24. (H)
* One person one PAN: Having more than Income Tax PAN card against law.

* Amendment in law to benefit Mayem mundkars, promises Rane. (NT)
* Mormugao seeks more land to expand garbage treatment plant. (NT)
* Skybus project likely to be launched in 2007. (NT)
* Melissa Paes, Doordarshan soap star, featured in an interview in GT/Aarti Das.

HEALTH

* Goa Medical College radiology assoc prof Awadesh Kumar Pandey says there
   are 1000 new cancer cases at the GMC each year, and stressed on
   early diagnosis to reduce cost of treatment. Neck and head cancer rank
   highest among men at the GMC, and breast cancer has the highest
   prevalence among women at the GMC. (H)
* GMC interns call of strike, following minister Narvekar's intervention.(H)
* Bro Johnson Sequeira holds meets at St Anee's Ponda, Dsya Porvorim for
   alcoholics, drug addicts and those with other problems. (H)

EDUCATION

* 10,000 cycles to be distributed to girls who passed Std VII. (H)
* Maria Bambina Convent, Cuncolim tops in Bible quiz. (H)
* Government high school at Alto Betim in bad state. (H)
* 500 primary schools provided with basic facilities, says Faleiro. (NT)
* 20 students receive Dhirubhai Foundation scholarships. (GT)

MEDIA

* Late Umesh Mahambre's play for children 'Orrad Torrad Rakshas' (Those
  Demons With Punch) on Goa TV, Fri Sept 22, 6-7 pm.

RELIGION

* Syrian church to celebrate death anniversary of Alvares Mar Julius. (NT)
* Navdurga temple of Kundai, a cultural heritage. (Feature, NT)

URBAN LIFE

* Margao council chairperson scraps market panel poll process. (H)

VILLAGES

* Govt to compulsorily acquire 130,000 sqm of land for an international
   cricket stadium in Tivim. Three-page advert in NT. Most shown beloning
   to Maria Consesao Costha (sic) and others.
* Good worth Rs 50,000 gutted in Varca linen room star-resort fire. (H)
* Mickky asks Lalu for railway bridge at Majorda crossing. (H)
* Keri-Sattari sarpanch Ashok Gawas and deputy voted out. (H)
* Loliem-Polem to get childrens' park. (NT)

ISSUES AND CAMPAIGNS

* Save Goa Front to stop IFFI if demands not met. (H)
* Jagrut Goenkar formed to promote thinking among youth, says Pascoal Noronha.
* GEC engineering students serve ultimatum to government; over lecturer. (H)
* North Indian body wants Varanasi-Pune Gyan Ganga train extended to Vasco.
* Reckless mining responsible for water shortages, say Bicholim residents.(GT)
* Vasco Collector warns land grabbers. (GT)

LEGAL NOTICE

* Piriani Gopal Nihchaldas has entered into an 'agreement of developent' with
   Kelwin Lewis Fernandes and others with rest to a 2650 sq.m property
   called 'gorbata' opposite to the Don Bosco High School and Church in
   Calangute...

SPORTS

* Churchill Bros stun Dempos' 1:0 in Hutch Goa League. (H)
* Raia upset Salgaocar 1-0. (H)
* Churchill Bros SC could invite

Re: [Goanet] Pope Benny XVI Should Resign - Absolutely not.

2006-09-21 Thread Carvalho


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Dear Frederick,

I totally agree with you that the bulk of Muslims are
peaceful people who want nothing to do with the
extremists, the radical, the fundamentalist. But that
is akin to saying the vast majority of Germans in Nazi
Germany were good people. That's not the point. The
point is, in any society the moderates must be strong
enough, vocal enough and willing enough to voice their
opposition, not cow down in submission to more
strident voices. For evil to persist all it takes is
for good men to do nothing.

Do you think extremist aren't vocal in the West? They
have megaphones of their own to incite hate. But there
are effective checks and balances in place to keep
their voices where they belong, on the lunatic fringe.
That is the mark of a community that holds itself
accountable for its actions, and is able to reign in
its hawks by its doves.

It is time for the Muslim moderate voices to be heard,
everytime we have nonsense being perpetrated onto the
world, in the name of religion, whichever quarter that
maybe from.

Selma
PS: There is a misconception that CNN is a
government-lackey. It is infact the brainchild of Ted
Turner, who is one of America's foremost liberals. It
may relay news softened to American sensibilities but
which news media won't do that? Will NDTV show India
in a poor light while expressing sympathy for
Pakistan's policies?
-

--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What you see, and how you perceive the world, also
 depends on which
 spectacles you choose to see it through. I would
 suggest the dominant
 media in the West is suffering from an acute
 perspective problem as
 far as Islam and its people currently go. And,
 everyone tends to get
 infected by this, even if you generally depend on
 alternative sources
 for your perspectives.
 


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[Goanet] NEWS: Navy war room leak.... Mozart in Goa... intellectual capital... AGCL shares... Lalu revives skybus project...

2006-09-21 Thread Goanet News


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Navy war room leak: assets in Goa seized 

NT Staff Reporter


Panaji, Sept 19: A team of Central Bureau of Investigation today
attached the factory of Ravi Shankaran, the main accused in the navy war
room leak case, at Verna Industrial Estate and has frozen his bank
accounts in State Bank of India, Vasco.

The attachment was carried out by a CBI team from New Delhi and was
assisted by state government officials and local CBI officials. The
attachment was carried out under Section 83 of Criminal Procedure Code
following an order issued by the additional chief metropolitan
magistrate, New Delhi.

According to sources, the factory named Shanx Oceaneering Pvt Ltd,
located in phase II of Verna Industrial Estate was attached by CBI
deputy superintendent of police, Mr R Singh, from New Delhi and that he
was associated by the deputy collector (South), Mr Deepak Dessai and CBI
inspector, Mr A Z Shaikh.

The ACMM New Delhi has addressed the order directing attachment of the
property to the collector of South Goa. The attachment order was served
on Ms Jennifer Mirza, who is reported to be a close confidante of the
main accused. The CBI team later froze the bank account of Shankaran,
the sources disclosed.

However, there were heated arguments between Ms Mirza and team of local
television journalists who rushed to the site to film the attachment
process.

PTI ADDS FROM NEW DELHI: The CBI today attached the property and bank
accounts of Ravi Shankaran, the kin of naval chief Admiral Arun Prakash,
for failing to appear before the agency for questioning in connection
with the navy war room leak case.

A CBI spokesman said the warrants of attachment were handed over to the
concerned district magistrates of Goa and Pune for compliance with the
order issued by a special court here yesterday.

After attaching the property in Goa, the sleuths later went to seize
Shankaran’s Mercedes car (registration number MH-04-CD 9010) from 5/15,
Rukmani Bhavan, Shanker Seth Road, Pune, in line with the court’s orders
but the vehicle was found missing.

His father, Mr Raju Shankaran told the CBI party that since “someone had
come to him with a message from his son, it (the car) was handed over to
him sometime ago,” the spokesman said, adding the parents refused to
give further details.

Further action is on to trace the car, he said.

The spokesman said the accounts with HSBC Bank of a firm called Besix
India, a proprietory firm belonging to Shankaran, were also frozen.

Shankaran is a key accused in the case related to the leak of sensitive
information from the navy’s directorate of operations and his passport
has been revoked by the government. A Red Corner notice has been issued
by Interpol against Shankaran, who is believed to be in Europe.

The move by the CBI came a day after the agency procured the warrant of
attachment from the designated court here for taking over Shankaran’s
property as he had not made himself available for questioning despite
several notices and also a proclamation order, official sources said.

The CBI will now be the custodian of the property.

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http://in.news.yahoo.com/060917/211/67o7h.html
Photo: Goa church pays tribute to Mozart 
Sunday September 17, 07:58 PM

On the 250th year of the Mozart's birth, a church in Goa found a unique
way to pay its tribute to the composer. 

Previous photo:  Video: Goa church pays tribute to Mozart  -
IBNlive.com 

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Goa should improve intellectual capital: Infosys director

By IANS
Sunday September 17, 05:37 PM
Panaji, Sep 17 (IANS) Goa needs to address its 'limited educational
capabilities' if it is to come anywhere near its dream of luring IT
players to this region, said Infosys Director (resources) T.V. Mohandas
Pai.

Pai critiqued the view that IT companies would come in if they were
merely provided 'power and land' and suggested that the region needed to
work on the most vital ingredient the state still lacks - intellectual
capital.

IT involved 'building businesses with nothing but what you have in your
mind', said Pai Saturday while speaking at the launch of the Exhibition
of Computers and Allied Products organised by the Computer Society of
India (Goa chapter).

He said a partnership between enlightened corporates, civil society and
the media could work for change.

Goa, caught among major IT towns like

Re: [Goanet] What's wrong with Goa's panchayats and their gram sabhas?

2006-09-21 Thread Floriano


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Floriano C. Lobo
383A Pirazona-Moira-Bardez-Goa-403507 Ph: (R) 2470223  (M) 9422060347
MOST URGENT
21 August, 2006
To,
The Sarpanch,
V.P. Moira,
Moira-Bardez Goa.
Sir/Madam,
Subject: MS Fabricated enclosure at Moira Bridge in the road set-back area.
This is to bring to your kind notice that some unknown person/s is
constructing MS pipe fabricated enclosure  at the Moira Bridge junction
(Attafondem route) which is entirely in the road set-back area. The GI pipe
supports are very much encroaching in the set-back area, especially at this
critical position, where it is a turning angle.  Of late this setback area
has been reclaimed and re-enforced with a concrete retaining wall.

I have checked with the concerned ward member Ms. Vizilia D'Sa and I am
informed that there is no N.O.C. issued  by the Panchayat for this permanent
structure. Therefore, I have taken the liberty to inform  (1) to
the Mapusa Police Station (2) Control Room, Panjim, (3) Mr. Patil, PI Mapusa
on 20/8/06 at 2100 hours, yesterday being Sunday, when I noticed that the
welding work on the roof trusses was ongoing with cement asbestos sheets
ready to be installed. I have specifically instructed the PI, Mapusa, Mr.
Patil,  to stop this work at the earliest and maintain status quo so that
this matter can be taken up with the Panchayat this morning.

It is my belief that the work has been stopped and a status quo has been
maintained with the cement asbestos sheets still not installed when seen
this morning.

I want to go on record that I am not against this structure as such. This
shade structure is most welcome as it could add to the aesthetics of the
surrounding even as it doubles up as  a multipurpose shamiana. However this
cannot be at the cost of the road safety, as this encroachment will
restricts the movement of vehicles, especially trucks, and could be an
accident prone zone.

Therefore, it is suggested that if the person/s engaged in this programme do
not modify the structure to be of a 'cantilever' nature with plastic sheets
for roofing instead of heavy asbestos sheets, this structure should be
totally demolished and the road set-back area freed from all encroachments.
Please note that this is the Panchayat road and the set-back for this road
is seven and half meters from the center line of the road.

I do hope that proper sense will prevail and necessary action taken with
immediate effect.

Thanking you,
Yours faithfully,
Sd/-
Copy: Ms. Vizilia D'Sa, Ward member (Attafondem).
Copy: Town  Country Planning Department, Mapusa.
Copy: Dy. Collector, Mapusa.
Copy: Block Development Officer, Mapusa.
Copy: PI, Mapusa Police Station

**
Floriano C. Lobo
383A Pirazona-Moira-Bardez-Goa-403507 Ph: (R) 2470223  (M) 9422060347
MOST URGENT
23 August, 2006
To,
The Secretary,
V.P. Moira,
Moira-Bardez Goa.
Sir,
Subject: Information requested thro' RTI.

This is in reference to the complaint letter from me dated 21 August, 2006
regarding the 'Development Project' executed by the Panchayat of Moira
through the tendering process to build a 'Shamiana' of permanent nature at
the junction of the Moira Bridge on the entrance to the road leading to
Attafondem.

Kindly, therefore, furnish the following information:-

The purpose of the project
Cost of the project as tendered.
Type of construction.
If the project was discussed in any Gram Sabha Meetings. If so kindly
furnish the following:-
a)  Date of the Meeting.
b) The minutes of the meeting relating to this project only.
c)  Xerox of the signatories of attendees for the meeting.

If the project was discussed in the bi-monthly meetings of the Panchayat. If
so, kindly furnish the following information:-
a)  Date of the meeting
b) Attendance and/or names and signatures of the attending members.
c)  How was the tender announced. Give copies of newspaper
advertisements if any.
d) Number of tenders received.
e)  Copy of each tender application received.
f)   Amount tender was approved.
g)  Name of the awardee.

Thanking you,
Yours faithfully,
Sd/-
Copy : BDO, Mapusa.
Copy : Director of Panchayats, Panjim.

Comments:
The project has been tendered for Rs. 1,67,000=00 purportly without the
knowledge of the concerned ward member. This is difficult to believe and it
makes us feel that people involved are not telling the entire truth. Tax
payer's money is thus squandered as we believe that this cannot cost more
than half the amount tendered,

Re: [Goanet] Pope Benny XVI Should Resign /response to Cornel

2006-09-21 Thread Carvalho


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Dear Cornel,

I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm also glad
you've given us more insight regarding his alleged
dislike of all things Turkish. It's been said that he
is against Turkey joining the EU but now that you've
given us the proper background for it, it puts a new
light on that perception.

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--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Carmo
 Paradoxically, for a Muslim country, Turkey badly
 needs Benedict's visit for 
 political reasons. Turkey is pretty desperate to
 join the EU and even though 
 Benedict had rejected this idea at one stage, Turkey
 has to be seen as being 
 a mature democracy (with  particular emphases on
 human rights including the 
 elimination of capital punishment and full
 acceptance of free speech), to 
 help its passage to the EU. To this end, I think
 Turkey will, of necessity, 
 stifle all its known hot heads before and during the
 Papal visit which in 
 turn will be most carefully orchestrated.
 Cornel
 PS I have read the entire speech by Benedict. I
 believe he made an error of 
 judgement at this juncture on using a pretty
 unhelpful  quote without 
 adequate and transparent qualification. But his
 apology should be enough. I 
 definitely cannot condone/support Muslim outrage
 over the Pope's speech. I 
 really am tired of fundamentalist groups whether
 Sikh, Muslim, Christian or 
 whatever, taking bigotry to extremes and especially
 trying to stifle free 
 speech--the most treasured thing we have at our
 disposal.
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Re: [Goanet] More info on the Cancer Myth

2006-09-21 Thread Santosh Helekar


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--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 However, as we have seen over and over again, most
 recently in the unprovoked and horrific attack on
 Gilbert's professionalism and core ethics, based on
 a totally false reading of what Gilbert had written
 and a rush to judgement that was grossly uncalled
for
 from a medical professional, what we need is an
attitude adjustment and a respect for opposing views
that is totally lacking, no matter how many personal
testimonials are forthcoming from old friends on
Goanet.


I am confident that objective and impartial people
would note that I had only pointed out the flaws in
Gilbert's post and the myths that were likely to be
propagated by it, without commenting on his
professionalism or ethics. Critiquing of the writings
and opinions of peers and colleagues is a standard
practice in medical and scientific fields.

If anybody's professionalism was questioned, it was
done right in that post, wherein reference was made to
a pseudo-scientist who ignores grandmother's kanneo,
and in a subsequent post to a fool with whom one
should not argue. My professionalism as well as ethics
as a human being are now ironically being questioned
in the above post by a man who has never demonstrated
an attitude of adjustment and a respect for opposing
views. What is even more remarkable is, others are
being exhorted to rethink whether I am a decent human
being or not based solely on the biased testimony and
personal opinion of a man who has implied in the past
that I am a pig. What gall!

I am sorry, but there is something very offensive
about being lectured by someone who has never
practiced what he is preaching i.e. showing an
attitude of adjustment and a respect for opposing
views. What is worse, is that Goveia has never shown
respect for the opponent, himself/herself, let alone
his/her views. The response to this post of mine would
very likely vindicate my view about this man. I only
hope that that response does not involve the use of
obscene words such as p*ssing and pig.

Cheers,

Santosh
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Re: [Goanet] Inconvenient truths about Goa/Mario

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Dear Mario,
I enjoyed reading your comments.
1.  Yes, Bangladesh is a separate country.  I think
that this is not new information.  The Assamese were
extremely upset at having illegal migrants put on the
electoral rolls as well as by the slums created by
lakhs of these settlers.  I happened to link the slums
issue in Assam that I happened to read about to slums
in Goa.  I see that this has caused a good bit of
confusion.
2.  No, I am not contemptuous of business people and
development, capitalistic or socialist.  I was not
being contemptuous, period, when I shared my list of
observations.  I gave my simple list, as I hope that
you or any other Goanet member would do.  Why slums
exist came up as a sub-topic.  Everyone is free to
decide for themselves whether there is an element of
greed and exploitation, capitalistic or socialist, in
the continuation of slum conditions in today's booming
and wealthy India.
3.  I feel that you, not me, should offer solutions
since you seem to be knowledgeable about capitalism,
socialism, the old and new economic history of India
etc.I can't see what good my giving theoretical
and speculative solutions to  such a  large and
complex problem like slums  can do.  I noted some
major problems in Goa as I saw it.  Now, I can only
contribute my own time, money, and resources to what
our group here in California decides is a good
contribution to the well-being of the Goan community,
year by year.  I should put my money where my mouth
is.  That's my solution, something modest that I can
live with.  Otherwise, I could rightly be accused of
coming to give observations,  criticism and advice
without actually doing anything to help.
Filomena


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  11.Slums in Goa:  While in Jaipur, I read a
 Times
  of India account of the lakhs of illegal 
  Bangladeshi migrants entering Assam and the 
  northeastern states.
 
  The Assamese and other local people were
 thoroughly
  alarmed but government officials were taking no
  action because these illegal migrants would 
  constitute a vote bank for them.
 
 Mario observes:
 
 The last time I checked Bangladesh was a sovereign
 country, which would make Bangladeshi's entering
 Assam
 illegal immigrants, unable to vote.
  
 Filomena writes:
 
  Too farfetched for Goa, I thought.  Such things
 only
  happen in other parts of India. Imagine my dismay
  to discover that slums of migrants exist in Goa 
  too.  
 
 Mario observes:
 
 Filomena, I don't know where you live, but similar
 slums have existed in India for decades and exist in
 almost every less developed country, including those
 that have socialist economic systems which seek to
 bring everyone down towards the lowest common
 denominator, except for the ruling elite, of course.
 
 Again, the last time I checked, the migrants to Goa
 were from other parts of India, which would make
 them
 legal migrants, following their natural instincts to
 work and earn a living in order to survive.
 
 Yes, in Goa, the vote bank theory would apply. 
 
 Filomena writes:
 
  If I listed problems I noted in Goa, it is to
 share
  reality as I saw it.  If I were to propose
  solutions, you can bet that they would be 
  compassionate.  I care about the poor.  They don't
 
  deserve to live in slums in today's wealthy India.
  
  Goa doesn't deserve to be dotted with slums
 because 
  politicians and business people, as well as the 
  middle class, in other states as well as in Goa
 can 
  profit from them.  Slums are not caused by 
  democracy.  They are caused by excessive greed and
 
  unchecked capitalistic greed.
  
 Mario observes:
 
 Finally, we are getting to the meat and potatoes. 
 The
 solutions to the pesky problem of slums and why they
 exist and what Filomena would do about them, which
 is
 what I am eager to hear.
 
 We already know she is contemptuous of business
 people, the middle class and greedy capitalists. 
 That leaves government bureaucrats and slum dwellers
 assuming rural farmers are more like business people
 in how they make a living.
 
 But does Filomena know she is in august company? 
 The
 Nehru family that controlled India for 50 wasted
 years
 of socialism right after independence had the

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A VIEW FROM THE FIFTH FLOOR...
Breathless impressions made during a busy ECAP/Software
Freedom Day 2006 in Panjim, Goa.

Frederick Noronha

LAST WEEKEND marked the launch of Goa's main IT exhibition,
which coincided with Software Freedom Day (Sept 16). Taking
part in ECAP, the Exhibition of Computers and Allied Products
(Sept 16-17, 2006) at Hotel Mandovi, was a learning and
enjoyable yet tiring experience. Some observations:

INTEREST AMONG students in GNU/Linux is simply amazing.
Compared to last year, the students were much more aware, and
there were many -- specially from Goa Engineering College,
PCC, and RIT, among other colleges -- who showed much
awareness in Free/Libre and Open Source Software. Other
non-engineering colleges where teachers have undertaken
initiatives (Khandola, Xavier's, Rosary, Chowgule's, among
others) were also aware and interested in knowing more.

 MANY VISITORS to ILUG-Goa's stall were unaware about
 (i) ILUG-Goa itself (ii) what Free Software and Open
 Source implies or (iii) how to get and install FLOSS.
 We can do a lot more awareness-building work.
 Better communication, pointers to sites such as
 http://linuxdvdsale.tripod.com/ , or building a list
 of our volunteers in different locations of Goa could
 help in bridging the gap. Someone suggested that ILUG
 Goa launch a PDF magazine of its own. Any volunteers?

LFY'S GIFT OF some 150-200 of its earlier issues, together
with CDs, and also Novell USA's offer of Open Suse DVDs were
well appreciated by people visiting the stall. Even ILUG-Goa
members like DP had a positive feedback with Open Suse.
Visitors appreciated the ease-of-use of Ubuntu. But unless we
make these available and point to them, it would not spread.
Encouraging access to reading material on FLOSS could also
help build skills in Goa. So, how do we do this on a
sustained basis?

UNFORTUNATELY, due to some technical difficulties, we didn't
get the Software Freedom Day CDs this year. But a student
from Margao was kind enough to bring some 50+ Ubuntu CDs for
distribution; which were much appreciated. As mentioned
above, we also got Open Suse DVDs via Domnic of Quepem; which
helped greatly. LFY, India's only GNU/Linux-focussed magazine
(they prefer to call it Linux and talk Open Source) gave
both magazines and some CDs for distribution. We made it a
point to hand out the goodies on the basis of interest shown,
and not just randomly. And, of course, we had a bias in terms
of distributing the same to students.

(Goa Engineering College, our sister LUG,
however held Software Freedom Day, a day earlier at
Farmagudi, and a separate note on this is available at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa/message/14166 )

 ENGINEERING STUDENTS (specially from PCC and RIT) were
 keen to have some LUG activity in their colleges.
 We need to build a LUG-starter-kit of sorts. GEC has
 been doing well, but we're all going to miss
 George Easaw, who moves on from the college.

 HARDWARE VENDORS were particularly keen to know more
 about FLOSS. For instance, Prashant Cuncolienkar was
 keen to have a list of FLOSS DVDs and CDs available
 for sale in Goa. Reuben Quadros of Vasco was keen to
 install FLOSS on his blank laptops. We handed over
 two Open Suse CDs. Lot of potential on this front,
 but it needs to be systematically explored.

WE MET UP with some old-timers at the LUG. It was great to
meet Lawrie D'Souza (Ferdie's dad, both of whom are into
computers majorly) and also Ashwin Naik, of ND Naik and
Company, a long-time supporter of our LUG and its activities.
Ashwin offered his support to do something at Chowgule's --
possibly help build a GNU/Linux user-group there -- as did
Madhav, both of whom are alumni there.

BASIL FERNANDES had a long and interesting discussion on
teaching young kids programming, the possibility of
encouraging schools to do the same, and whether schools could
have Computer Clubs that work on a build-them-young approach.
He is keen to get involved with such a programme.

FROM CHOWGULE's College in Margao, paesantonio at gmail.com
was keen to launch a user-group in that locality. Pallavi and
other students of RIT were also keen to get more access to
FLOSS at their RIT college. Obviously much more can be done
here. Some of the young students from Std XI at Pilar spent
many hours at the stall. It was fascinating to see their

[Goanet] [OFFTOPIC] Portugal’s Confucius I nstitute trains entrepreneurs for business with C hina


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Portugal's Confucius Institute trains entrepreneurs for business with
China   [ 2006-09-20 ]

Guimaraes, Portugal, 20 Sept – The Portuguese Confucius Institute is
promoting training courses in coming weeks on culture and business in
China for entrepreneurs and managers from Portugal aimed to develop
commercial relations between the two countries.

Under the banner: China, History Culture and Business, the courses
run Sept 22-23 and Oct 6-7 and aim to give participants information
on a range of subjects relating to the Chinese reality, allowing them
to maximize chances of success in the approach to the market.

The Confucius Institute has been established at the Minho University
in northern Portugal since July and has undertaken joint projects with
various Chinese higher-education institutions.

The course will be given by the institute's director, Sun Lan, and its
Chinese-language teacher, Luis Cabral.

China is a country of which companies must have a higher than normal
level of awareness, noted Cabral, and the Asian state is presently
experiencing a very profound social and psychological
transformation.

These changes are a result of globalization and many western ideas are
being assimilated by the Chinese people, he added.

The courses are targeted at businessmen, company chiefs and senior
management and the knowledge gained will give some interesting tools,
which will undoubtedly facilitate understanding of the other side by
those establishing business relations, said Cabral.

China's deputy education minister, Wu Qidi, visited the Minho
University last week, when the college's rector said he wanted to
expand science and technology partnerships with China and involve
Portuguese companies in the project. (macauhub)
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Re: [Goanet] Pope Benny XVI Should Resign - Absolutely not.

2006-09-21 Thread Peter D'Souza


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Frederick Noronha writes:

 When there are so many diverse Mulims around the globe, why does the
 media focus just on the intolerant fringe within that culture and
 religion? It's like the media showing Goans as drunks and vamps ...
 even though there are so many of us sober guys and teetotallers
 around!

Fred,

So Osama bin Ladin represents the intolerant fringe? What on earth
does INTOLERANT mean in your dictionary? The intolerant fringe has
carried out large scale murder of innocent people in Israel, America,
Kenya, Tanzania, Indonesia, United Kingdom, India, Iraq, Afghanistan,
and many other parts of the globe. Are the media supposed to shut up
about all of this? The truth is that the media don't give these events
half the coverage they deserve.

 What you see, and how you perceive the world, also depends on which
 spectacles you choose to see it through.

Yes, if you lived in a nation that was at the receiving end of every
second threat (the latest is directed against worshippers of the
cross, I believe), then perhaps you will see it quite differently.

I would suggest the 
 dominant
 media in the West is suffering from an acute perspective problem as
 far as Islam and its people currently go.

You are absolutely correct. I wish they were less afraid to tell the
whole truth. The New York Times, for instance, makes the current US
administration out to be one of the worst things that happened to
mankind. It treated its readers to 30, count 'em, thirty consecutive
days of front page photos from Abu Ghraib prison. Many westerners wait
for things to go wrong in Iraq just so that they can say they were
right. They're silent when evil men are killed or captured. This is
testimony to the influence of the media in regards to Islamic terror.
Don't you worry, the media is doing a better job than you imagine.
Perhaps they should keep a running scorecard for who the Islamic world
reviles versus those it tolerates. He who hurts Islam the most incurs
the wrath of the mullahs. Currently it's Salman Rushdie 1 vs. bin
Ladin 0.

And, everyone tends to 
 get
 infected by this, even if you generally depend on alternative sources
 for your perspectives.

Fred, this is utter nonsense. In this day and age most of us get our
news from a variety of sources. Francis Bacon once said that man
prefers to believe what he prefers to be true.

Sincerely,

Peter
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Re: [Goanet] Are Goans Homophobe/response to Mario

2006-09-21 Thread Sunith Velho


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Hi Mario,

I think you could end this argument by simply clarifying what stuffing it 
in your face would involve.

Most people seem to have interpreted it as, you support homosexuality as 
long as you dont see homosexuals displaying affection in public. If that is 
true and you have the same position on heterosexuals displaying affection in 
public, then no one can accuse you of being a homophobe.

I for one interpreted it as, you have no problem with homosexuals as long as 
they don't hit on you... :)) Fair enough, I guess.

Regards
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Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Power To Them

2006-09-21 Thread Radhakrishnan Nair


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In the last couple of years in Goa, we got 25 such gay couples
married. They don't have social acceptance but the number of gay
marriages is rising, said Vishant Chodankar of the Humsafar trust in
Goa.

That reminds me. Khushwant Singh once wrote in his 'Malice' column
after a holiday in Goa that one can't live anywhere to the north of
the Vindhyas with the name 'Chodankar'! :-)

Cheers,
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Re: [Goanet] Pope Benny XVI Should Resign - Absolutely not.


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Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In 1974, Yassar Arafat standing infront of the UN
 general assembly said to the world:
 
 Today I have come bearing an olive branch and a
 freedom fighters gun. Do not let the olive branch
 fall from my hand.
 
 Since then, we have seen very little of the olive
 branch from the Muslim community. We are constantly
 told that it is a small section of the Muslim world
 that is given to extremist ideology, if so then
 where is the moderate Muslim hiding?
 
 The silence from their so-called voice of moderation
 is deafening, while fatwas are pronounced, holy-wars
 are incited against the infidels, beheadings are
 carried out under Sharia law, planes and towers are
 brought down in the name of Allah, embassies are
 burned to the ground on the flimsiest of excuses.
 Meanwhile the world is held hostage to Muslim
 sentiments outraged by cartoons and speeches.
 


Selma,
Somehow, something from the above is related to Goa
and Goanet? 

Is there anyone here (apart from Mario) who is able to
make a post on Goanet without harping on religion?

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[Goanet] Abolish /amend section 377 not a solution

2006-09-21 Thread sunil monteiro


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Dear Readers,

Abolishing this section will not be of much help at ago, what we need to 
abolish is our negative mentality towads this subject. Before we look down 
at people who are gays or lesbians in the Goan soceity, a question should 
arise in mind what if one of our/my family member happens to be in such a 
situation , how am i/we are going to handle it?

The isse of are Goans Homophobe being discussed on the net has nothing to 
offer ,if one reads it carefully its mere an act of strenght as to who can 
win this debate , it's more like playing minds of each other and that's not 
encouraging.

Homosexuality/lesbianism etc  etc, subject and issues should be discussed 
openly , an awareness should be created about its pros and cons, discuss it 
at home , school or any place just as we discuss sex, crime, adultry, 
divorce, murder, rape etc we should be able to discuss such issues with law 
makers  like how/ what/if/why/when and the day is not far when things will 
fall in place at it's right time , but we all need to work for it now not 
for pure sexual satisfaction but mere understanding the feelings of same sex 
partners.

Discussing the subject of Homosexuality and related issues should be a 
constructive topic to be understood seriously due to HIV/AIDS.

The article by Mr.V.M de Malar where he mentions THAT HARD WORKING SON OF 
GOA WENDELL RODRICKS  does not go well , wonder what was he trying to 
convey using Wendell's name , something like Gandhji/Nehruji or someone 
else. (I Have a great respect to Wendell and no offence to him whatsoever) 
.There must be lots of hardworking Goans who are gays/lesbians but not 
successfull like wendell and hence they cannot be termed as hardworking.

If such topics can be discussed it has to be with a sole aim of coming to a 
solution for those who are longing to come out of a closet , to those where 
there is a hope of  meeting their partners at a particular place and enjoy 
their privacy and space. Just like the opposite sex would enjoy their 
physical relationship at home in the same way the same sex too would do the 
same, all they need is ventilation from their closet.

I would appreciate criticism with a solution on this note of mine and not 
mere criticism for fun of it.

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Re: [Goanet] Will any Goan....re celibacy in the Church


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 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:54:42 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Will any Goanre casteism
 in the Church -
 
 
 I would like to hear from the Goan priests who lurk
 around the fringes of Goanet, who should be better
 able to explain the celibacy they have accepted and
 live with and be able to explain it far better than
 we can. 

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Don't hold your breath waiting, Mario.  Clerical
 postings to this list are limited to Sunday 
 Reflections.  Others have probably been warned to 
 refrain from getting involved with this 'secular' 
 forum for fear of revealing the weaknesses of their 
 arguments.
 
Mario adds:

Or, perhaps, more likely to avoid revealing the
weaknesses of your sophistries, notwithstanding your
monumental hubris and alleged superior intelligence
that supercedes that of billions of others as well as
the combined experience of millenia:-))




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Re: [Goanet] Inconvenient Truths/ reponse to Selma


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--- Sunith Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Selma,
 
 All this encouragement is unnecessary. As any brain
 researcher will tell you, the best work done by 
 scientists/researchers is before they reach the 
 age of 30. So I have a distinct advantage :))
 
Mario responds:

Hey, Sunith,
Only brain researchers who haven't reached 30 yet
would say that, since the brain is still full of mush
at that age:-))  The best scientists and inspirational
leaders are those who have a balanced quantity of both
gray cells and gray hair - or in the case of Guiliani,
no hair:-))

Sunith wrote:

 There was an ad-campaign on Indian TV called the
 power of one. It had various people like The 
 Mahatma, Mother Theresa, MLK Jr. who have single 
 handedly increased awareness and brought about
 change that impacted millions of lives. Rudy 
 Giuliani might fit into that category also. However 
 these personalities are a rare combination of will 
 power AND ability.
 
Mario adds:

I would add Nelson Mandela to the list, and, at the
risk of creating mass indigestion and heartburn on the
left, Pope John Paul II, Ronald Reagan, George H. W.
Bush and George W. Bush, without whom millions would
still be under the yoke of totalitarian dictators, and
now have an opportunity for freedom and democracy.




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Re: [Goanet] An Inconvenient truth/Sunith


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--- Sunith Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well said Mario, I couldn't have put it better
 myself !
 
 This is what I have been struggling to try and make
 people understand (especially those living abroad).
 
Mario adds:

Sunith,
I grew up as a Catholic among the most virulent RSS
and Hindu Mahasabha types in Jabalpur and found that
they were more impressed by my unconditional respect
for their beliefs and my rock solid patriotism that
equalled or surpassed theirs at the time, than my
foreign religion.  Consequently, it enabled my
family to become a sanctuary for terrified Muslim
friends and employees of my family when the periodic
Hindu-Muslim riots broke out in my hometown and many
Hindus and Muslims we knew became unrecognizable
homicidal maniacs overnight.

One couldn't grow up with the experiences I had and
seeing the senseless looting and burning and killings
I witnessed, and visiting dying classmates in the
hospital mortally wounded in the riots, and then
tolerate the pissing and moaning about India's future.
 Along with the mindless socialism that killed the
incentive of many of India's highest achievers for 50
wasted years and created a brain-drain that benefitted
the west I have seen India at it's worst, and can
clearly visualize the actualization of it's
long-delayed and far brighter future.

What continues to confound me, however, is the utter
lack of civic sense and respect in India for the
physical space of the general public and one's
neighbors.  This manifests itself in the urinating and
defecating in public, the spitting and throwing of
thrash wherever one can get away with it and the
strange transformation from sane to insane as soon as
a car door closes behind the driver.

What makes westerners, who are a cut below in
intellect, a cut above in basic civic sense?  I hope
and pray that it is better education, better literacy
rates and better economic conditions that will change
these disgusting and embarrassing Indian traits as
time goes by. 

When you return from England a few years from now you
will find India seemingly dirtier and more chaotic
than you left it, not because India has changed, but
because you will have, and your senses will have
become acclimatised to the relative cleanliness and
civic order of your current environment.




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Re: [Goanet] Pope Benny XVI Should Resign - Absolutely not.


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--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha wrote:

 When there are so many diverse Mulims around the
 globe, why does the media focus just on the 
 intolerant fringe within that culture and
 religion? 
 
Mario asks:

I'm just guessing here, but could the answer to Fred's
curious question above lie in the fact that the
intolerant fringe has hijacked the entire religion,
and has been actively engaged in targeting and
indiscriminately killing tens of thousands of innocent
civilians, including Muslims, even willingly killing
themselves in order to kill others and deny them
freedom and democracy?

I think it would make real news if the rest of the
Muslims that Fred alludes to would stand up against
their intolerant fringe, stop falsely interpreting
opposition to their intolerant fringe as an attack on
all Muslims, and join in putting this evil genie back
into the bottle.

Christians had to do something similar centuries ago. 
It's high time the majority of Muslims stood up and
did the same.

If they do not, then they have no right to object to
Pope Benny XVI quoting Byzantine emperor Manuel II
Paleologus.






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Re: [Goanet] Colvale (Bardez) pics....

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 120+ sharable photos from Colvale, Bardez

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157594242206747/


Folks,
I have added my comments to Freds pictures.
For those who want clues as to where to get the best
feni is Goa, check out the comments.

Colvalecars, looks like we need to sponsor Fred to
make another visit to the village and this time with
pointers to the scenic places and the fort.
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[Goanet] ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS IN THE BANKING SECTOR


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ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS IN THE BANKING SECTOR


 
The Department of Commerce, St. Xavier's College of Arts, Science  Commerce, 
Mapusa, Goa, in collaboration  with GCCI (Goa Chamber of Commerce and 
Industry) is organizing a one day State Level Seminar on Ethical 
Considerations in the Banking Sector on 27th September, 2006, from 9:00 a.m. 
to 5:00 p.m. in the College Campus.

The Seminar will deliberate on the ethical implications in banking practices 
on the common man.  It will address consumer complaints regarding fake 
promises to attract customers, false billing, over-billing, exorbitant 
charges, etc.

The Seminar is open to all teachers of Schools and Higher Secondary Schools, 
and lecturers from Colleges and the General Public.  Registration fee of 
Rs.150/- per participant will be charged, which will include participation 
fee, lunch and refreshments and seminar material.

Those interested may either register directly by 20th September, 2006, or call 
us for clarifications at 2262356 or e-mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Goanet] Goa news for September 22, 2006

2006-09-21 Thread Goanet News Service


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*** Kareena's Goa b'day blast 

 Wish her (IBN live)

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/kareenas-goa-bday-blast--wish-her/22098-8.html


*** Video :Goa to have world-class sky bus in a year (Business
Standard India)

India's tourist hot spot Goa is all set to have a sky bus on
track in a year. The trial run of the sky bus - a single-coach
electric-powered train suspended 30 feet off the ground on
overhead rails - is currently on at Margoa in Goa.

http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c.php?leftnm=11bKeyFlag=INautono=5911


*** Indian State Of Goa Makes HIV Tests For Marriage Voluntary
(Medical News Today)

The government of the Indian state of Goa has decided to allow
HIV tests to be voluntary for couples registering for marriage,
Goa Chief Minister Pratapsingh Rane said Friday at an
international seminar, the PTI/DNA India reports (PTI/DNA
India, 9/16). [click link for full article]

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=52275nfid=rssfeeds


*** Kareena having a whale of a time in Goa (Glamsham.com)

Its Kareena Kapoors birthday today and shes having a gala time
in Goa. Bebo has taken some time off and just wants to relax
with close friends and family on the beach, she informed a
tabloid.

http://www.glamsham.com/movies/scoops/06/sep/21_kareena_kapoor.asp


*** Coutu motivated by toe-to-toe matchup with Crosby
(SportingNews.com)

ATHENS, Ga. -- Mark Richt, who stood on the sideline when
Sebastian Janikowski boomed long field goa...

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=130104


*** Two samples from Goa test positive for chikunguniya (New
Kerala)

Panaji, Sept 21: Two samples of suspected chikunguniya sent
from Goa to the National Institute of Virology (NIV) here have
tested positive, health officials said today.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=25151


*** Lalu Yadav promises sky bus for Goa by 2007 (New Kerala)

Margao (Goa), Sept 21: Railway Minister Lalu Prasad Yadav has
given an undertaking to provide Goa with a sky bus by next
year. Lalu, who visited the project site at the Margao,
expressed satisfaction with the progress being made, but
stressed on the need for safety.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=25092


*** Lalu revives Goa's sky bus project (The Times of India)

The tourist state of Goa would reap huge benefits from the new
age mode of public transport that promises an aerial view of
the surroundings to commuters.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2011863.cms


*** Karen Goa in the library (Scoop.co.nz)

In this months Glengarry Writers in the Library series, you are
invited to hear travel and food writer Karen Goa at the Central
City Library on 27 September.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK0609/S00180.htm


*** Lalu Yadav promises sky bus for Goa in 2007 (Yahoo! India
News)

Margao (Goa), Sept. 21 (ANI): Railway Minister Lalu Prasad
Yadav has given an undertaking to provide Goa with a sky bus by
next year. Lalu, who visited the project site at the Margao,
expressed satisfaction with the progress being made, but
stressed on the need for safety.

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Re: [Goanet] Pope Benny XVI Should Resign and Elevate Amcho CardinalIvan Dias to Papacy !

2006-09-21 Thread Peter D'Souza


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 From: cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:


 I really am tired of fundamentalist groups whether Sikh, Muslim, Christian or
 whatever, taking bigotry to extremes and especially trying to stifle free
 speech--the most treasured thing we have at our disposal.

Hi Cornel,

What is at least as sickening is non-fundamentalists, non-religious
organizations like the government of China taking anti-religious
bigotry to extremes and physically persecuting religious believers for
merely practising their faith. It is sad that the bulk of the Chinese
church, for example, comprises underground churches. Russia is
reverting to its old communist ways too.

Peter
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Re: [Goanet] FW: Balbir Singh's New Book The Golden Yardstick to be released Oct 5.

2006-09-21 Thread CARMO DCRUZ


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Sean,

As we are deep into our research now, we will present our revolutionary 
paper only at the PAN IIT Conference in Bombay in Dec 2006. In the mean time 
all Bandraite hockey players, coaches and enthusiasts should read and 
familiarize themselves with Balbir Singh-ji's new book the Golden 
Yard-stick on objective training tactics and techniques for hockey - due to 
be released on Oct 5.


Best Regards,

Dr. Carmo D'Cruz,
Stanislite, Class of 75
Indian Harbour Beach, Florida



From: Sean Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: FW: Hockey (Sports) Should Be A Part of Stanislites' Forum - 
Yes

Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:46:46 -0400


Dr. Carmo D'Cuz,

Hope these few lines find you in good health and cheer. Allow me to 
introduce myself. I am an ex Stanislite besides being a keen hockey player. 
I did represent my Alma mater, college, Bombay Univ., as well as the 
state at Jr. and Sr. levels I have also represented Mahindra  Mahindra and 
will always be proud to have been associated with the sport.


It would be interesting to have some information on 
the definition, principles and benefits of of Systems Engineering 
Principles and how it can revolutionize hockey. 


Thank you and look forward to you feedback.

Yours in sport.  




Sean

 


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Subject: FW: Hockey Should Be A Part of Stanislites' Forum
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:53:21 +0530

For your Information

Regards,

Hillary

-Original Message-
From: CARMO DCRUZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hockey Should Be A Part of Stanislites' Forum

Girish,

Hockey always has been and will always be a part of the Stanislite's
forum.
Stanislites can use the Systems Engineering Principles too to dominate
Bombay Schools' Hockey for the foreseeable future. In this exchange,
Mario Goveia and myself are no strangers to St. Stanislaus and
Bombay
Schools'
Hockey. Mario's uncle Mr. Tony Fernandes of Bandra and Pune was a famous
Lusitanians full-back of his time. Mario's cousin Vincent Fernandes was
a distinguished goalkeeper for Stanislaus in the late 60s/early 70s and
his cousin Mark Fernandes was a distinguished ex-Stanislite who was a
famous Right Inner for Mt. Abu and IIT Kharagpur. They both inspired my
hockey and IIT careers. I played for Stanislaus, Bombay in the Jr.
Nationals, Combined Universities, Indian Airlines, IIT Kharagpur and
tried out for Team India and Team USA. So this exchange on Using Systems
Engineering Principles to Revolutionize Hockey was highly relevant to
what Stanislites could glean from it of our aspirations for St.
Stanislaus from India's perspectives to dominate Bombay Schools's Hockey
once again ! Remember we Stanislites are All Born for Greater Things
!
If possible, I will bring my former coach and current research
collaborator the great 3-time Olympic Gold Medallist Balbir Singh Sr. to
St. Stanislaus this winter and conduct a camp or clinic for our current
Stanislite hockey team.

Best Regards,

Dr. Carmo D'Cruz,
Stanislite, Class of 75,
Indian Harbour Beach, Florida


Mr D'Cruz,
I think most of us appreciate your sentiments about hockey and the
strong bond you have towards India. However, this is a forum for
stanislites to get together, exchange information about the school and
try to keep in touch with each other. Let us not lose the spirit of the
forum by intermixing it with discussions that really are not part of
this forum.
Thanks
-Girish





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[Goanet] VCDs by post/courier ? Check how much it might cost you.

2006-09-21 Thread JoeGoaUk


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VCDs by post/courier ? Check how much it might cost you.
 
 I get so many queries from around the world asking me if I could send them 
VCDs by post and
how much postage cost etc
 
I just found out 'SPEED POST' India Govt. Postal Dept.
 
Pl go through it and if it is ok, they you may ask your friends and family in 
Goa to do the
job for you. 
Please do not request me, although I love to do this but because it is a money 
matter I
somehow don't feel confortable with it.
 
However, certain exceptional circumstances (like you have no one In Goa etc) I 
might be able
to help.
 
Foll. might also interests you:
-Most Courier Services charge  for min. 500g
i.e. even if your VCD pack weigh say 200g they will charge as if it is 500g 
(500g being their
minimum).
- Depending on size/pack of VCDs  up to 2 to 6 VCDs may weigh 500g (including 
packaging).
 
Since I have never tried sending from Goa/India, there might be some who offer 
cheaper
services, if any one knows, please write to me and I will  be grateful to you 
for that.
 
Finally, those of you who still wish to buy, as I said, please come back to me 
as a last
resort only.
 
Thanks.
 
Note: Besides the actual cost and postage, there can be other cost like 
packaging, insurance
(if req.), delivery reports (optl)
 
Now you may like to know how much is for packaging, I never done before, so I 
ssume Rs.50
(like jiffy or bubble bags etc)
 
Pl go through the website below for more info.
 
 
http://www.indiapost.gov.in/SpeedPost.html



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Re: [Goanet] More info on the Cancer Myth


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Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My professionalism as well as ethics
 as a human being are now ironically being questioned
 in the above post by a man who has never 
 demonstrated
 an attitude of adjustment and a respect for opposing
 views. What is even more remarkable is, others are
 being exhorted to rethink whether I am a decent
 human being or not based solely on the biased 
 testimony and personal opinion of a man who has 
 implied in the past that I am a pig. What gall!


Santosh,
You have nothing to worry about since Mario Goveia has
established a, er, reputation here on Goanet. 
While most people describe themselves as a lady or
gentleman, Mario described himself as a barbarian.
If that was not bad enough, he went on to call himself
a dummy too.

In the twelve years I have been on Goanet, only one
person has used the name of Jesus Christ to cuss. That
person is the very same Mario Goveia. 

 
 What is worse, is that Goveia has never shown
 respect for the opponent, himself/herself, let alone
 his/her views. 

As shown above, Mario has no respect for himself, let
alone anyone else here. Unfortunately, he is not aware
of this.

Mervyn3.0
 

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Re: [Goanet] An Inconvenient truth