[Goanet] Goan friends earn A-levels
Dear Ms. Goswami, Thanks for telling us that you travelled first class. God whaat a privelege!. I am not to sure if you are aware that the same Paca Paos are now coming in droves to my mutter land. Vey contradictory to their sayings in the 60's innit? From chors to actors to film chaps we see all of them in my beloved land. This they made possible in 61 with the invasion and imperalist songs such as 'aghe bhadthe' (recently posted by one Fred Noronha from bamana bhat - Saligao and paradoxically a communitst ). Your resentment to the word ghanti is clear because of your close connections with them. The only way to get rid of this word is to get autonomy for Goa! BC . Bernado Colaco, I do object as an Indian being called a ghanti. What is so great in living in UK. With a ghanti passport I have travelled half the world, sometimes travelling by first class, worked in Brazil, got royal treatment when travelling in South America, more than my fellow Brazilians. It shows the level you come from by calling Indians ghantis. What are you a foreigner? By the way, do you know what goans are called 'Paca Paos'. When I was growing up in North India, my friends associated goans, with their domestic staff. Thats what the non-Goans thought of Goans during the sixties. I thoroughly object you using the word 'ghantis' to us Indians. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Govindraj Ethiraj: The People`s Licence Raj [Business Standard]
Almost every major industrial project in the country finds it easy to procure licences and permissions from the Centre and state governments. You can predict, more or less, how long it will take to get a Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) application through, where necessary, and then other permissions. And even, by hook or by crook, the dreaded environmental clearances. But in the licence raj era, if that was the end of the problems, today it's only the beginning. The most challenging task is to procure and secure what I would term the people's licence. From land-owners, villagers, land sharks, interested parties, disinterested parties, the whole bunch. And while in the licence raj, you had to manage a few politicians and/or bureaucrats, now it's a whole melting pot of amazingly diverse groups with multiple agendas, some pretty legit, some not. Tough luck. http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=331835 Today, Goa may be on the forefront (or close to it) of the People's Licence Raj. Cheers.
[Goanet] Daily Grook #192
DAILY GROOK #192 TIE DIE by Francis Rodrigues he tied her with strings, she was really haughty, and then he did things that were really knotty! _ puns word-play of all kinds, if you read between the lines! _ _ Find hidden words, unscramble celebrity names, or try the ultimate crossword puzzle with Live Search Games. Play now! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/212
Re: [Goanet] Origin of word Tarvotti
'Tarvotti' munje (means) Tarvar kaam korpi dadlo. Saath darya poinn korchea tarvank 'aag-boat' munnon Tarvoti apoithale. PO Passanger liners like ss Arcadia, ss Himalaya, etc were huge passanger liners (remember Titanic) that provided Tarvotti jobs for many Goan and Mangalorean men, who worked for about 10 months followed by a four to 6 month mostly unpaid vacation, until their jobs were unionized or something in the late 70s.. So Tarum means large ship (passanger liner, cargo ship or Oil tanker), Tarvar means on the ship and Tarvotti is a person working on such ship. There is a building in Bombay called Tarvotti Bhavan, at 203 P D'Mello Road. TARVOTTI - A poem by Joel Morais Tarvotti Fudd'llean, fatt'llean, da'vean, uz'vean poi, sog'llech kodden udok dista, Mollbar rat'chim noketram chok-chokta, Tea noketrank polloun maka mhojea ganv-ghorchi yaad zata, Kitem faido mhojem vhodd'llem ghor asson, hanv somdirant mhojem jivit sarta. Vhodd'llim-vhodd'lim jev'nnam assat, punn jevunk jibek rucho nam, Jednam hanv ghara aslo, tednam mhoje mai'n zaitem randhlem mhaka, punn hanv jevunk nam, Atam ti'nnem randd'lelle xitt-koddecho ugdas kaddum dollean'nim mhojea bhortat dukham. Zaito monam ni'all kelo, punn mhojem jivit mhaka somzonknam, Soglle va'tten, sogllech kan'tte, punn gorche' bhagint khuim, ful'leant fu'llam, Vhoi ami tarvotti, meztanv lha'ram, toofananim khellun, cholloitanv gharam, Saiba tum rakh amkam, bhiram'kull somdirant. Zolmank mhaka hadlo tam'nin,di'llem mhaka zai'tem, Aiz tankam mhoji goroz asli, punn potak lagon somdiracho rosto dorlo hanvem, Porto baba etlo kednam, dolleant dukhan borun ,mhoje mai'n maka vimchar'llem, Pai ghora moron ghelo, pun mutt bhor mati galunk tarvotti putak noxib nam zalem. Jivit amchem Vadoll-mhod, toofanam, Xati fu'lloun fudho kelo, tankam ami bieunk'nam, Ami tarvotti todd sodhunk bhonvtaunv, Me'lloth zallear ti amchi, punn melltoli kai dev zannam Joel Morais From the historic village of Cuncolim Edited by Floriano Lobo From historic village of Moira, a land of the Mad tarvotis. One more article on Tarvotti heritage: Tarvotti porom'pora Goem Bharotachem ek lhanxem raj. Mhonntana Goenche Konknni uloupi, tarvotti zale tor kainch ojap nhoi. job on the cruise ship (tarvotti) Adim tarvotti mama -avoicho bhav; vo bapaicho bhav-titiv; vo mavxecho ghov-uncle; tarvachi viaj marun aile mhonnttoch tangelea lagxilea soireani, poilim tanchea ghora vochun bhett diunk zai asli. Ho ek kaido nhoi aslo ponn oxem ek nattem (relationship) adim cholltalem. Bhonink kedna kai tarvotti bhavacher dixtt ghalunk distalem zalear bhav, bhoinichea ieneank ravtalo. Adlea mon'xam sovem oput somzuch ani maia vostali ti aichea kallar disona. In Retrospection…….Saligao Village. ST. ANNE'S CLUB OR KUDD IN BOMBAY---OFFSHOOT OF SALIGAO VILLAGE COMUNIDADE.--II. SANTA ANNA CLUB BOMBAY ( ESTABLISHED IN 1850). Here is a translation of the konkani version on Santa Ana Club handed to me(Fr. Nascimento Mascarenhas), by Mr.Jose Carneiro, aged 82 years, on 04-08-1992. He completed the article on 02-08-2004. Unfortunately after nine days he died on 11-08-1992. The following is the text: The elders aged over 70 years who hed resided in this Club while they worked in Bombay, told me the story of this Club. According to them, Santa Anna Club was established in 1850. However, as it is stated by some others, the club came into existence around that period or let us say after the foundation of St. Anne's Chapel( Saligao) in 1843. Accordingly three or four ward members (capelistas), as cooks and butlers in profession, thought of staying together and this was the beginning of Santa Anna Club. After some time due to lot of employment in the bangalows, they arrived in Bombay but our brethren had no place to stay.They also thought of bringing their relatives to employ them in Bombay. The number of the warders began to increase, therefore it became imperative to have a big house. After much search they got a big house in Cavel Street and they named it as SANTA ANNA CLUB. When I was 15 years old, my father took me to Bombay to be admitted in a school and with right he kept in this club (Kudd) in 1926 (Each member of the club had right to admit his sons as junior members, I believe). This Club was in Dabul and we were around 25 members. Besides these there were around 20 others working on ships (tarvotti) who would return after their voyage. In 1930 this Club was shifted to 'Horta Baixa. After five years this club was again moved to Dhobitalao in 1936. Now there were 60 members in this club (30 youth and 30 elders) besides sailors and those who worked or cooked in private houses and stayed in the Club. The total number was 120 members. There was a Manager to run the Club. The male boarders or warders (Capelistas) could reside in this Club with right but if the wife of any member wanted to reside over there, there was need of a member to stay as guarantor (fiador) for her. One of the strict rules
[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY - 2008 TORONTO - CANADA
Goemkars ! I am pleased to share with you all - a report on the WORLD GOA DAY - event organised by GOA TORONTO , CANADA and also about their next great GOA event - rene barreto - Overall Coordinator -WORLD GOA DAY - WORLD ALLIANCE OF GOAN ASSOCIATIONS. 0 Friday, 25 July 2008 20:22 Hello members of the GOA, This past weekend we celebrated World Goa Day, a time where we united with family friends to celebrate our heritage culture. A time where we pass on the memories and stories of our days onto the youth of today! The G.O.A. is committed to organizing events bringing the Goan youth, young adults senior young adults together on a social platform. I am proud to announce that our very own GOA Young Adults Committee are hosting a boat cruise (dinner included) for the young senior young adults ages 21+. This event will be held on Friday September 5th, 2008 on the Empress of Canada boat located in downtown Toronto. We have spared no expense! All guests will be treated to a 5 star intercontinental cuisine upon a luxurious boat. We have also asked 3 of Canada’s biggest DJs to play at the event! There will be 2 different styles of music on 2 different levels. We are catering this event for all the young and senior young adults to help strengthen our Goan community. This event is run by the Goan Young Adults Committee for the Goan Young Adults. Please encourage your children, nieces, nephews friends to attend this event to show your support in uniting the Goan youth! Kind Regards, Oscar Furtado G.O.A. President www.goatoronto.com == GOANS CAN ==YES !..TOGETHER WE HAVE MADE IT HAPPEN WORLD GOA DAY - 20.8.2008 WORLD KONKANI DAY - WORLD DAMAN DAY === rene barreto
Re: [Goanet] Toronto Convention - lessons to be learnt
My very first reaaction to the title of this post was: Why in the hell my good friend Cecil wants to get bogged down in this Goan Crab stew??? But then on further reading, I CONGRATULATE Cecil for being a GOAN and not just a HURMOR COLUMNIST ( like some people who have inducively crossed boundaries such as 365 etc) who has proven his mettle in more ways than one. I Salute Cecil for this post Floriano for goasuraj for GEAG for C I for Goa and Goans - Original Message - From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: [Goanet] Toronto Convention - lessons to be learnt I notice the debates regarding the Toronto Convention taking a strange twist. The GNAT President himself, Francis Rodrigues, continues to post his haikus/grooks but is totally silent regarding the Convention in contrast to all the publicity he used to do earlier. Whereas all the other organisers have had their say, and continue debating the issue, why is one of the main organisers silent? Why are George and Filomena and Jose getting so agitated when the President himself doesn't seem to be bothered? Agreed Eugene's posts were in bad taste, but seriously that is expected of Eugene. Rather than attack the style and details it would be good to take some of the valid criticisms in his post and disregard the rest. Similarly with Roland's posts. Victor has written a very valid review and critique - and in a very tasteful way. Why aren't the issues he has raised being addressed in a rational way rather than with an emotional defense? I think it was best summed up by Eddie DeSa in a reply to someone who was trying to stop crticism on another forum... ... - why set arbitrary bounds on the expression of opinions? Now that the Toronto Convention has generated wider interest on culture/identity, I suggest we launch a wider, open-ended post-Convention follow-up debate - reviewing past contributions and illuminating the subject further. There need not be a consensus but so what? We should all be the richer and wiser by learning from each other. Don't you think... Cheers! Cecil =
Re: [Goanet] Take a look...
George Pinto wrote: What I see in the video are a number of blatant land use violations, including building close to the water's edge. Ironically, Mallya's land use violations are close to Salgaonkar's River Princess ecocological disaster. Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Mallya's blatant disregard for the CRZ, see - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/candolim-1.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/candolim-2.jpg And with all the erosion, the Candolim beach is a goner. Mario asks: Perhaps I'm missing something, but does the Mallya property being blatantly within the 500 meter mark have anything to do with the blatant erosion of Candolim Beach by the Arabian Sea? It would seem to this blatantly unbiased observer that part of his property has been blatantly placed in jeopardy because of the blatantly natural beach erosion taking place. Wasn't Remo recently blatantly blaming climate change for all this blatant beach erosion?:-)) Anyway, blatantly declaring Candolim Beach a goner may also be blatantly premature because modern technology blatantly enables blatantly eroding beaches to be blatantly re-constituted as well. After all, Mallya did not blatantly swallow all that sand - it is still blatantly out there under water level, blatantly eroded by the rip tides, and can be blatantly pumped back out with the right equipment. I would also like to know how Mallya got permission to blatantly build within the zone - whether by blatantly paying a commission or special use tax [:-))] to the local authorities to blatantly obtain a variance, or whether the property was blatantly grandfathered in some way. Without some more credible evidence of blatant chicanery, I am not prepared to accuse Mallya, who has blatantly created tens of thousands of well paying jobs for Indians of blatant legal violations as our Marxist friends seem keen on doing, who seem to blatantly resent anyone blatantly getting rich by blatantly creating jobs in India:-))
Re: [Goanet] Origin of words
From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Origin of words Dear Goanet, Please register my protest on this one. Where are the GN's Rules? Anyway, i will boycott Goanet for 7 days to show my resentment. Quite right, Joe, such posts need to be condemned, and I join with you in registering protest. But why be selective about it? I have yet to hear you protest about Rajan's numerous vituperative and abusive posts. Maybe it's better, though, that you are selective. Because if you were to boycott Goanet for 7 days because of every abusive post on Goanet, we are unlikely to ever see you here again, and that would be a pity. I join with you in asking, Where are Goanet's rules? = [Goanet] Origin of words cedrico dacosta cedricod at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 09:52:29 PDT 2008 i have noticed several explanations of words like tarvotti etc on Goanet etc... so would goanetters agree with the meaning of the word RAJAN as Ranvotti Janwar? -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
Re: [Goanet] Goan friends earn A-levels
The only way to get rid of this word (Ghanti) is to get autonomy for Goa! Ms. Goswami, Ma'am, Autonomy for Goa from Macau'ists and New Jersey'ists??? A veritable food for thought, indeed. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: [Goanet] Goan friends earn A-levels Dear Ms. Goswami, Thanks for telling us that you travelled first class. God whaat a privelege!. I am not to sure if you are aware that the same Paca Paos are now coming in droves to my mutter land. Vey contradictory to their sayings in the 60's innit? From chors to actors to film chaps we see all of them in my beloved land. This they made possible in 61 with the invasion and imperalist songs such as 'aghe bhadthe' (recently posted by one Fred Noronha from bamana bhat - Saligao and paradoxically a communitst ). Your resentment to the word ghanti is clear because of your close connections with them. The only way to get rid of this word is to get autonomy for Goa! BC . Bernado Colaco, I do object as an Indian being called a ghanti. What is so great in living in UK. With a ghanti passport I have travelled half the world, sometimes travelling by first class, worked in Brazil, got royal treatment when travelling in South America, more than my fellow Brazilians. It shows the level you come from by calling Indians ghantis. What are you a foreigner? By the way, do you know what goans are called 'Paca Paos'. When I was growing up in North India, my friends associated goans, with their domestic staff. Thats what the non-Goans thought of Goans during the sixties. I thoroughly object you using the word 'ghantis' to us Indians. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Konkani Story writing workshop
Dear Editor, Kindly publish the attached news-item in your esteemed newspaper/magazine for the knowledge of your readers. Thank you. Fausto V. Da Costa The Goan Review Press Release Fr. Freddy J. Da Costa Memorial Trust is organizing a full-day workshop on Story-writing in Konkani. This workshop will be held in Margao on Sunday, September 14, 2008 and will be open to students presently studying in stds. 5th to 12th. Students desirous of participating in this workshop are invited to send their applications to the Sectretary of the Trust at the earliest giving therein the following information: 1. Name of the student (2) Name of the school and class in which presently studying, (3) Residential address, (4) Contact telephone number, (5) Student's signature, (6) Parent's / Guardian's signature. The necessary materials (like paper, pen, file, relevant literature, etc.) will be supplied to the participants during the workshop; also tea and lunch. No fee whatsoever is to be paid. But, due to constraints of space, the number of participants needs to be restricted. Therefore an early application would be advantageous. Address: Secretary, Fr. Freddy J. Da Costa Memorial Trust, c/o Manfa Music, Commerce House, F-18B, Luis Miranda Road, Margao 403 601. (S. M. Borges) Secretary (Ph. 9960816598)
Re: [Goanet] Goan friend earn A-levels
Hi Bernado A response to my post may not merit a scribble according to you. Further, you then request a definition of Indian ethnicity. However, I took you on re your contention that there was a connection between Goan Portuguese passport holders and a-level results. I prefer to stay with this contention of yours that you make but seem unable to defend. As to the concept of ethnicity, definitions are widely available in texts and the internet and I may spell this out to you when I have more time. At its simplest, you and I are ethnic Indians. I recognise this but you seem to have a slavish attachment to things Portuguese and despise your own inheritance and heritage that is historically Indian, notwithstanding the 450 year Portuguese interlude in Goa. Those Goans who are now students in the UK are classified ethnically as Indians and definitely not Portuguese as you seem to prefer. If you knew better, you would know that the Indians do excellently educationally in the UK and are only narrowly beaten by the ethnic Chinese but whose numbers are small. In contrast, the research on the Portuguese in the UK (as workers) indicate that they have the lowest education levels of all ethnic minority workers in the UK. Thus, can you not see that many a sensible Goan who lands in Portugal craves to enter the UK for better educational and employment opportunities that are not as extensively available in Portugal? I suggest that their Portugese attachmnet is zilch in most cases but this is rather unlike your attachmnet to former Portuguese colonial rule in Goa as though there was something glorious then, rather than brutal Portuguese dictatorship in our own life times. Believe you me, Bernardo, I personally experienced some of that brutality and had previously written about it on Goanet. Interestingly, we know that when some Goans went to Toronto, Canada, the children informed the teachers that they were not Indians but Portuguese. This embarrased their teachers no end but this scenario changed once the Goans there discovered that they were predominantly middle class but by saying they were Portuguese, they were effectively aligning themselves with the working class lowly educated and poor Portuguese in Toronto. If you knew facts such as the above and that India is a potential economic giant compared to Portugal, you might perhaps revise some of your thinking about that despicable word you use--ghantis for my fellow Indian brothers and sisters. By all means, do criticise Indian administration, bureaucracy and corruption in Goa but please stop fooling yourself that you are not ethnically Indian in Macau and that you will take your Indian ethnicity with you if you are forced out of Macau as a foreigner and then transport yourself to Portugal. Regards Cornel --- Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that your ingenuous remarks hardly merit a scribble. Till today you have not offered a definition of indian ethnicity. As for being angry with the bharats they invaded my country and are on the verge of destroying it...
[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY- By Grace Coutinho
Goemkars ! A nice little poem - I have been asked to share - with Goans - here , there and everywhere. rene barreto Overall Coordinator WORLD GOA DAY - Original Message From: Gracienda Coutinho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rene Barretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: World Goa Day Poem WORLD GOA DAY - By Grace Coutinho Wherever in the world we reside Our ancestral roots are in Goa, our pride Reminiscing our culture every opportunity we get Lest generations that follow might surely forget Dozens of customs will be lost, on that you can bet Goans are scattered all over the world Our traditions and dishes through culture unfold A day set aside for unity to renew and uphold Dancing and rejoicing is how we celebrate Always praying that we enter the golden gate Youthfulness we sustain whatever our state! Together we link our old ways and new Hoping our allegiance to one another will be true Always doing our best to meet all needs Neighbours and friends our generosity feeds Keeping tradition alive, in our hearts and mind Sewn by seeds of laughter so gentle and kind Generations have passed this way before In peace and harmony their souls we let go Voices we raise as we sing so loudly In celebration our love we unite very proudly Nation so valiant we’re not backward to say Giving thanks to Our Lord on this day we pray Copyright© By Grace Coutinho == The real wealth of any society is its people - We need each other - Giving and receiving are the basic of building a good , positive and healthy Community. WORLD GOA DAY - 20.8.2008 WORLD KONKANI DAY - WORLD DAMAN DAY ===
[Goanet] Goan friend earn A-levels
Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami writes “It is not difficult for me to get a Portuguese passport because I was born in Goa during the Portuguese regime, so were my parents and grandparents. I thoroughly object you using the word 'ghantis' to us Indians.” If you claim to be born in Goa during the Portuguese regime of Potuguese parents, then you were born a Portuguese national. Obviously you have denounced this nationality on attaining adulthood and taken up Indian citizenship. Since you were growing up in North India during the sixties you were bred and brought up as an Indian. And during this process, surely you were referred to as “Paca pao”. That explains the ire. Because “Paca Pão” was to referred to people with Goan surnames and brought up in cultures that of ‘Dhobi Talao’, and other places in India with similar culture. That’s the exact delusion people in India and Bollywood have of Goa. Secondly, you expose your ignorance to the word “Ghanti”. Which in Portuguese means “Alem Ghates”. You are people from beyond the Ghats and I don’t see why Indians from beyond the Ghats cannot be called Ghantis!
[Goanet] letter with mog
Hi guys this is for to see if you like http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=_dt-h3HCMC0feature=related Mopa Airport Layout GOA Mog (love) from Johnny, Jane Dylan Alphonso U.K
Re: [Goanet] Apology: 1980 Olympics Winners - The Moira Connection
2008/8/15 Tony de Sa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then there is Gerry Nazareth, retired Judge (Hongkong) Nephew of the QC and his daughter who is head of BBC in house Thank you very much for that. It was indeed an unforgivable error on my part considering that the QC Nazareth family and mine have close inter linkage. Didn't Gerry play a key role in the handover of Hong Kong to China? Thanks to you and Miguel who has been very encouraging in my quest to remember the Great people of Moira. Mog Assundi -- Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470148 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M: +91 9975 162 897 Hi, Yes Gerry was on the team of lawyers who were working on the draft for the handover of HK to the Chinese. I knew him when we were in HK - at that time Victor Menezes was an SVP with Citibank Hong kong. He got fast tracked because John Reid took a liking to him. Vincy and Eddie D'sa were both my seniors - their brother Cecil was my junior. You are a cousin? I believe their sister Elaine's daughter is married to the son of Kibaki Mwai's son. Mwai is sharing the leadership of the Govt in Kenya. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Action Alert:Rajendra Kerker, Prerna Bindra held hostage on Fomentos Pissurlem mines
According to the reports just received at 4.55 pm today Goa's noted environmental activist Rajendra Kerker has been held hostage along with Journalist Prerna Bindra of National Newspaper. Both of them have been surrounded on the Fomento mines in Pissurlem near Honda, Sattari taluka in North Goa. They were on a visit there when the some people believed to be the employees of Fomentos' ILPL mining company have surrounded them and are not allowing them to move out. Please contact Valpoi Police Inspector Shivram Vaigankar at his cell number: 9823225883 and also call up Valpoi Police station at 0832-2374255 and ask Police to act fast to release both - Rajendra Kerker as well as Prerna Bindra. Shame Fomentos, Shame on your company and mining practices. Warmly, Seby _ Chose your Life Partner? Join MSN Matrimony FREE http://www.shaadi.com/msn/matrimony.php
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Story writing workshop
Dear Mr. Da Costa, Who will be conducting the workshop? That is an important bit of information that would-be participants would like to know. Regards, Victor --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Fausto Da Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Fausto Da Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Konkani Story writing workshop To: Herald Goa [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@lists.goanet.org, Herald Press [EMAIL PROTECTED], Navhind Times [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gomantak Times [EMAIL PROTECTED], divo [EMAIL PROTECTED], Renovocao [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fr. Anthony Charanghat [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Vincent Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 11:22 AM Dear Editor, Kindly publish the attached news-item in your esteemed newspaper/magazine for the knowledge of your readers. Thank you. Fausto V. Da Costa The Goan Review Press Release Fr. Freddy J. Da Costa Memorial Trust is organizing a full-day workshop on Story-writing in Konkani. This workshop will be held in Margao on Sunday, September 14, 2008 and will be open to students presently studying in stds. 5th to 12th. Students desirous of participating in this workshop are invited to send their applications to the Sectretary of the Trust at the earliest giving therein the following information: 1. Name of the student (2) Name of the school and class in which presently studying, (3) Residential address, (4) Contact telephone number, (5) Student's signature, (6) Parent's / Guardian's signature. The necessary materials (like paper, pen, file, relevant literature, etc.) will be supplied to the participants during the workshop; also tea and lunch. No fee whatsoever is to be paid. But, due to constraints of space, the number of participants needs to be restricted. Therefore an early application would be advantageous. Address: Secretary, Fr. Freddy J. Da Costa Memorial Trust, c/o Manfa Music, Commerce House, F-18B, Luis Miranda Road, Margao 403 601. (S. M. Borges) Secretary (Ph. 9960816598)
[Goanet] Maca Paos - Not Paca Paos
Actually as far as Bombay is concerned, the word was maca paos. I used to think that maca paos somehow meant ma-ka = mother's pao = literally bread or figuratively idiot child (all in hindi) until I was told a long time ago in Bombay by a Sindhi that it was a play on the words maka = to me or for me pao = reach or help (all in Konkani) Composite meaning as in maka pao, saibini = please help me holy mother of god - which Goan women of Dhobitalao used to say quite often, like the Italians mamma mia - mother of mine. Somehow, in Bombay this was not derogatory although non-Bombayites may be forgiven for thinking it was. Intercommunal harmony at one time was a way of life in Bombay. As I wrote before, the Sindhis were called papads - they were famous for their spicy papadums, the Parsis pagals - they were eccentric, the Maharashtrians ghatis - whether they were from the ghats (hills) or not, and so on. Therefore I am puzzled by what Ana Maria's paca paos meant in the North India of her time. Maca pao, Roland. -- Roland Francis Toronto +1 (416) 453.3371
[Goanet] Live Telecast of Goa Legislative Assembly Proceedings
Hi, Prudent Media boasts that it is the only channel to telecast the proceedings of the Goa Legislative Assembly live. I wanted to catch up on the action so I tuned in today afternoon. The Home Minister was being grilled by the opposition. During the debate in question, there was an issue regarding beggars. It was maintained by MLAs that beggars are not local Goans but what *they* termed in Konkani bhaile, their argument being that thanks to Dayanand Nidhi Yojana (DNY - Have I got that right?), all indigent locals were provided with a pension of Rs. 1000/- so had no need to beg. Be that as it may, I saw the Siolim MLA in full swing taking pot shots at the Government. At this I was puzzled. I had an impression that both the Siolim MLA Mandrekar and the Mandrem MLA Parsekar were disqualified for electoral offenses. If so, can they participate in Assembly debates?. Can some one clarify this? Regarding the telecast it self, I felt the quality was poor. This could be a problem with my service provider Rohit Vision, but I'm not sure. Cheers, Tony -- Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470148 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M: +91 9975 162 897 --- Achievement is largely the product of steadily raising one's levels of aspiration and expectation. - Jack Nicklaus
[Goanet] Salgaocar-Alemao nexus targets Selaulim Dam
Our worst fears on water security are coming true, Public Hearing has just concluded today to dig the earth for mining barely 30 to 50 meters from Selaulim water dam in Curdi-Curpem villages. Today’s Public Hearing is one more in the series of serious attempt by the mining industry and Central government to dismember Goa and bleed it to death. Today’s Public Hearing involved T.C. No. 60/1952 of S. Kantilal Pvt. Ltd at Asni Dongor Iron Ore Mine covering Survey numbers 27, 37, 38 and 39 in Curdi village of which survey number 39 is private reserved forest identified under Sawant and Karapurkar Committee. Survey number 2 of Curpem village is also within the jurisdiction of this mine and listed as Government forest. Total land to go under mining here is 46 hectares. Local sarpanch of Vaddem Panchayat was pathetic in his intervention, he demanded Rs.300/- per month per family as contribution from the mining company. Besides this he also suggested introducing 'hafta' system to generate revenue for the Vaddem Panchayat. 'Hafta' system is integral part of parallel economy based on extortions. There are several People who opposed mining proposal, Rama Velip of GAKUVED was one of them. You may well imagine the alarming state of affairs with regard to Salaulim water dam if the nefarious nexus between the two MLAs of Goa Legislative Assembly Anil Salgaokar and Joaquim Alemao are allowed to succeed in their nefarious designs to disrupt water supply in South Goa including cities of Margao and Vasco. Sebastian Rodrigues _ Searching for the best deals on travel? Visit MSN Travel. http://msn.coxandkings.co.in/cnk/cnk.do
Re: [Goanet] Maca Paos - Not Paca Paos
2008/8/19 Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually as far as Bombay is concerned, the word was maca paos. Dear Roland, Just a quick response as I take this break for lunch. You are quite right about Maka Pao. Do not know which part of North India, Mrs. Goswami got that Paca Pao from. However it's meaning is similar to the Sindhi 'Papad' and Parsi 'Khekhda Khao' (eat crabs). It's meaning = Konkani Meaning Maka Pao = Maka (zai) Pao (I want bread). This was to suggest that Goans ate bread instead of chapattis (as the Maharashtrians would) No wonder the Goans turned around and called them chapatis' Mrs. Goswami is also incorrect in stating that Ghanti or Ghati is the word used by Goans to describe Maharashtrians. It might help Mrs. Goswami to note the following: 1. Ghati is actually a Marathi word equivalent to 'Pahadi' and 'Hill-Billy'. It is used to describe inhabitants from the Ghats/Hills 2. A good percentage of Maharashtrians live on the coastand hence are NOT Ghatis 3. The Indians who came to the Caribbean came as indentured labourers (called 'Coolies' by their Brit owners). Even today, Indians are called 'coolies' - without reference to the work they do. Hence the term Coolie doctor or Coolie gyal. A young lady whose parents are Indian and Chinese are known as Royal Coolies, presumably because they are very pretty. One of these days, I know Mrs. Goswami will tell us what she means by the word ethnic Indian. Is she suggesting that the Kashmiris are ethnically the same as the Andamanese or the Malayalis? Perhaps that is what she is saying. Are the Turkis of Hyderabad of the same ethnicity as the Telegus? And what about the Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans of the UK? Are they ALL Pakis? Santosbab has a similar question for all of us about Goans! Till another day .good wishes jc
[Goanet] BOOK RELEASE: 'AITARACHEO KATKUTLEO' by Lino B. Dourado
'AITARACHEO KATKUTLEO' - A compilation of Konkani humour essays will be released on 8th September 2008 at 7:30 p.m. at the hands of veteran Konkani author and social worker Shri Damodar Mauzo (Bhai) at Our Lady of Lourdes School-Hall at Utorda. The book is the first by the Kuwait-based author Lino B. Dourado who is also a well known Konkani poet. Born in Utorda, he did his early education at St. Anthony's Majorda and completed Mechanical degree course at ITI Farmagudi, Goa. Lino's writings and poems in Konkani and English have been published in several newspapers, periodicals and magazines including O'Heraldo, Gulab, Cine Times, Navhind Times, The Goan Review, Jivit, PoddBimb, V-Ixtt and Kuwait's Arab Times and The Kuwait Times. Lino is well known on several Goan and Mangalorean Forums and his popularity has been phenomenal on www.goa-world.com, www.goanet.org, www.mangalorean.com, www.daaiz.com, www.daijiworld.com and Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter. A gifted composer, playwright, Lino is the managing committee member of United Club of Utorda-Kuwait and a member of the www.goa-world.com team (Kuwait). Aitaracheo Katkutleo is full of humour, wit and musings on day to day happenings penned by him. For more details, contact the author email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the publisher Dourado Brothers, Gabriel Cruz , P.O. Majorda, Utorda, Goa-403713, India. The book is dedicated to the fond memories of his parents and is published by Goa Konknni Akademy under the Poilo Chonvor Arthik Yevzonne scheme. Goanet AE http://www.goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Action Alert:Rajendra Kerker, Prerna Bindra held hostage on Fomentos Pissurlem mines
I just called PI Vaigankar on his mobile , identified myself as the GS of Goa Su-Raj Party. He said he is aware of the situation. His response was : Poitam rhe Aum. I have told him that we are watching and waiting. That this sort of thing should not happen at all. PI Vaigankar was cordial. This is for your info. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: sebastian Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: [Goanet] Action Alert:Rajendra Kerker, Prerna Bindra held hostage on Fomentos Pissurlem mines According to the reports just received at 4.55 pm today Goa's noted environmental activist Rajendra Kerker has been held hostage along with Journalist Prerna Bindra of National Newspaper. Both of them have been surrounded on the Fomento mines in Pissurlem near Honda, Sattari taluka in North Goa. They were on a visit there when the some people believed to be the employees of Fomentos' ILPL mining company have surrounded them and are not allowing them to move out. Please contact Valpoi Police Inspector Shivram Vaigankar at his cell number: 9823225883 and also call up Valpoi Police station at 0832-2374255 and ask Police to act fast to release both - Rajendra Kerker as well as Prerna Bindra. Shame Fomentos, Shame on your company and mining practices. Warmly, Seby _ Chose your Life Partner? Join MSN Matrimony FREE http://www.shaadi.com/msn/matrimony.php =
[Goanet] Origin of words
From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Goanet, Please register my protest on this one. --- V Gadgil said: Quite right, Joe, such posts need to be condemned, and I join with you in registering protest. But why be selective about it? I have yet to hear you protest about Rajan's numerous vituperative and abusive posts. I join with you in asking, Where are Goanet's rules? --- Reply: He is selective because they both belong to the photographic club and both are Porrikar supporters. There was no need for him to bring it up - IT JUST GIVES UNWANTED ATTENTION. The moderators as it is are struggling to separate the wheat for the chaff, it is a daunting task, mistakes are bound to happen, are the rules implemented by a computer or a robot? ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] SVM Press Release
The SEZ Virodhi Manch expresses disgust at the double standards of the government of making empty statements/promises with regard to the scrapping of SEZs from Goa. At the ground level work and full scale destruction activity is taking place by the Raheja SEZ at Verna. When the Government withdrew its Stop Work Notices issued to SEZ Promoters from the High Court on procedural lapses, it promised the citizens of Goa that fresh Show Cause Notices in accordance with the law would be issued to the Promoters of SEZs in Goa. Till date, there has not been a single Show Cause Notice issued to the promoters, on the contrary, the Government has allowed the promoters to re-start work by its inactions. Despite several representations to de-notify the Special Economic Policy from the State, the Government of Goa has not done so, which exposes their malicious intentions. It may be recollected that when the villagers entered the Meditab SEZ at Keri and the Raheja SEZ at Verna on 7 and 10 December 2007, the print and electronic media was witness to statements made by their liaison-officers talking of verbal permissions given by the GIDC. Today, 19th August, 2008 the people from various villages after learning that the works at the Raheja SEZ at Verna had been restarted entered the site in large numbers and forced the workers to stop work and leave the site. It is deploring that time and again the people are compelled to forget their daily chores to fight for their rights while the Government repeatedly fools the people. Repeatedly it is the people who have to enter the SEZ premises and force the SEZ promoters to stop work. Till date the people have not resorted to any violence but they also should not be taken for granted. The people have made their intentions clear that they will not allow the works to go on at any costs and warn the Govt. that it will be solely responsible for the outburst of any violence in future. The SVM is surprised that now many MLA's belonging to the ruling and opposition parties who used to sing anti-SEZ tunes have conveniently forgotten the same. The SVM now demands from all those anti SEZ MLA.'s to bring up the issue before the Assembly session in progress and demand passing of a bill scrapping the SEZ policy existing in the State. This will prove their sincerity over the issue. The SVM calls for immediate actions by the Government that immediate Show Cause Notices be issued procedurally to all the promoters of SEZs in Goa, register the FIR filed by villagers People's Movement Against SEZ on 22nd October 2007 instead of criminal dilly-dallying by the Goa Police and set up CBI inquiry into the scam in the process of approvals forwarded for SEZs. The SVM warns the Government and the SEZ promoters to desist from playing with the sentiments of Goans. The peaceful protests of the SVM should not be construed as a sign of weakness. The government should not provoke the peaceful people of Goa. Charles Fernandes Convenor SEZ Virodhi Manch -- SEZ VIRODHI MANCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit: http://amkanakasez.blogspot.com
[Goanet] Running with the hare and hunting with the hounds
'Working both sides of the street'; is someone doing this on Goanet? Meaning of:- http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/40/messages/148.html -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Message for GLOBAL GOAN KONKNI FORUM on World Goa Day
WILSON MAZARELLO T1/C, Kurtarkar Nagar, Near Stadium Fatorda, Margao, Goa 403 602. Tel:- 2742844 / 9822396579 Email:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ref:-WM / RB/GGKF Date:- 20.8.2008 Mogall Goykarano, When Rene Barretto, in his position as the Founder of the WORLD ALLIANCE OF GOAN ASSOCIATIONS, invited me, to head the GLOBAL GOAN KONKANI FORUM, I immediately agreed. I don't know why ? Its unlike me. After having said yes, I got down to thinking, as to what made me do that. After a lot of thinking, I came to this conclusion:- Its probably because, I have a lot more to give to Konkani, and secondly, the GLOBAL GOAN KONKANI FORUM, needs a person like me, at this point of time My dear Fellow Goans (Mogacheam, Ganv-Bhoinnino ani Ganv-Bhavano). At this very moment, when I think of our 'Avoi-Bhas-Konkani', the famous words of, late President John F. Kennedy, come to my mind Ask not, what your country can do for you, rather ask, what you can do for your country. I'd like to extend these famous words to our Goan situation, and say to all my fellow-Goans, Ask not, what Konkani can do for you, rather ask, what you can do for Konkani. Today, our mother tongue Konkani is at the cross-roads, not knowing who is pulling her in which direction, and we, her children, are not making it any easier, for her. Very few of us understand, that we are, what we are, because of our mother-tongue Konkani. You take away Konkani, and there's nothing left in us, to be called Goans. What is Goan identity, without Konkani ? Can Goan culture even exist, without Konkani ? Konkani is the basis, for everything that can be called, Goan. It is also, the prime uniting force, for Goans in Goa, and Goans all over the Globe. However, this same uniting force has been made a dividing force, by our politicians. And we, the people of Goa, have consciously or sub-consciously, become a party to their sinister designs? Have we Goans, sold our conscience, for money? Do our fellow-Goans, not matter to us, any more ? Was the age-old religious harmony in Goa, only a myth ? Are we no more proud, to be called Goans ? If these questions mean anything to us, then lets be a part of the GLOBAL GOAN KONKANI FORUM, and work together, for finding solutions. I will share with you our proposed objectives on a BLOG, which will be set up very soon . If you have a thought to share, please do so, and we will listen to each and every one of you. We will be working TOGETHER for a better Goan community.* We are proposing to form a LINK with Goa, through various Overseas GOAN organizations, associated with KONKANI. We owe it to our Goan identity. We owe it to our Goan Unity. Rene Barretto has taken the first step. I am taking the second. Who is taking the third? MOG ASSUM DHI. Wilson Mazarello (Fatorda, Margao, Goa)
[Goanet] Goan friends earn A-levels
I can remember when we emigrated from Goa to go to Kenya in 1958 to join my father. I traveled on my mum's Portuguese passport. I was a minor, we did not have an Indian passport. So hence we must have been Portuguese citizens. I wonder what passport did the Indians have during the British Raj when the wanted to travel to Britain to study or whatever. My Father was very reluctant to surrender his Portuguese passport after India invaded (or should I say liberated) Goa in 1961,but eventually he was coerced to part with it. Kind Regards Ignatius Fernandes _ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571440/direct/01/
[Goanet] Konkani as Scheduled Language Day:71st amendment
KONKANI ENTERS THE CONSTITUTION OF INDIA VIA THE 71ST AMENDMENT, THE GUINNESS BOOK VIA KONKANI NIRANTARI BUT IS STILL THE CINDERELLA IN GOA! This day [20 August] in the year 1992, the Parliament of India [Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha] passed the 71st amendment to the Constitution of India. Konkani, Manipuri and Nepali languages were recognised as Indian Languages and placed in the Schedule-VIII of the Constitution of India that lists the languages. The relevant amendment reads. Entry at Sr. No. 7 will be renumberd as 8 and the entry 'Konkani' will be entered at Sr.7. KONKANI was recognised as a LANGUAGE in India, not a dialect OF ANY OTHER LANGUAGE. As far as the Constitution of India and the law of the country is concerned, there is no issue of SCRIPT. The script is an issue that needs to be sorted out in literary panels [that continue to be dominated by the Devanagri ONLY coteries], the Goa Legislative Assembly [that passed the Official Language Bill, 1987 that stipulates the script in the definition of the language to make Konkani written in Roman, Kannada, Malayalam or Perso-Arabic scripts illegitimate in GOA, though all these scripts are available for other Indian Languages as per the Constitution of India and the most commonly used language in India today is English written in the ROMAN SCRIPT, the script in which the Constitution of India is written and laws are enacted, even in Goa] Irrespective of the script controversy, today is the day that Konkani gained the respect of the Nation as an offically recognised language. Today is WORLD KONKANI DAY, celebrated by Goans all over the world since 2000 thanks to Rene Barreto's tireless efforts no matter who conceived the idea and no matter who funded the first World Goa Day Today is a good day to remember what can be done if we can work together. A flash back to Republic Day [26 January], 2008 The KALANGANN at Shaktinagar, on the outskirts of the booming city of Mangalore, played host to a successful attempt to enter the name of Amchi Bhas Konkani in the Guinness Book of World Records. Do not say the record is not worth a song: more than 640 songs were sung over a period of 40 hours by 43 groups of more than 30 persons each to achieve this record! To Eric Ozario and the Mandd sobann goes the credit for having the vision, faith and perseverance to achieve this feat. The air was festive, with good will and cheer oozing from everyone present at the venue. As the songs said it so beautifully, there was no Goan, Mangalorean, Karwari or Mumbaikar here ...just so many Konkani people. The Konkan is aparant. A brief inaugural ceremony preceded the title challenge. Bishop of Mangalore, Rev Dr Aloysius Paul D' Souza, sprinkled the frankincense on hot coals and let the fragrance fill the venue symbolizing the spreading the fragrance of Konkani globally. Keith Pullin, the designated Chief Adjudicator of Guinness World Records was present on the spot. The crowd joined Keith Pullin for the final countdown as excitement filled the venue and then the SRA Sisters [nuns of the Mother of Apostles order] group burst into a hymn of praise Somyak Dhinvasumya (O give thanks to the Lord). Singing is a vocal art. A happy heart, a voice and some words are all one needs to sing. The words need not be read as one can learn a song by word of mouth. Songs were sung in Antruzi, Bardezi, Karwari, Mangluri, Malwani and the typical Mumbai Konkani dialects. There were groups of singers from Maharashtra, Goa, Karnataka and Kerala states of the Indian Union. There were two groups from Goa that participated in the “Konkani Nirantari” one was predominantly of the Maratha-Bhandari-Saraswat communities named “Bhangarallem Goem” ably led by the Konkani Bhasha Mandal’s incumbent President, Purnanand Chari, with Bindiya Vast Naik lending a hand in the direction and the other was predominantly of Catholic, the “Kepemchim Kirnam” led by Elvis Goes. The Chari-Naik combine imparted a unique flavour to the singing marathon by having the two genders working shoulder to shoulder, together. There were groups led by women but no other of the 43 groups was led jointly by the two genders. Kepemchim Kirnam were given the penultimate slot as they were expected to mesmerize the audience. Dressed in the traditional Mando attire of Pan-baju [Sarong and blouse] and tail coats and the only group to sing in voices [alto, soprano, tenor and base], they did not disappoint. The Mandd Sobhann is an organization that was co-founded by Eric Ozario and Melvin Rodrigues under the guidance of Konknni Sahitya Kala Ratan, late Chafra da Costa. It took wing in 1986 with a musical experiment at Hotel Woodlands. The aim was to 'explore Konknni type of music which was until then totally under the influence of Western style of music by blending Konknni Janapad music and Indian type of music.' It dreams big and sets out to do the impossible. Since then, Mandd
[Goanet] Origin of word Tarvotti
MD\Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] SAID: 'Tarvotti' munje (means) Tarvar kaam korpi dadlo. Reply: Selma said thank you for your efforts, secondly she did not ask for the meaning of tarvotti she wanted to know the origin of the word. ED. - Alfred said: 'Ag' is fire; hence, 'agbot' was the degeneration for 'steam ship'. It was not limited to small or large ships but all those powered by steam. --- Reply: Accepted, but you have not given an alternative explaination to the problem. Selma is trying to get information for the research she is doing in writing her book. As for me? I am doing research in trying to get my PHD from Goanet so that I can type Dr. before my name for Goanet mail. I have realised all the BJP Porrikar supporters on Goanet are Doctors, I would like to be one of them too and then distribute coconuts and fish in the Panjim market at cost price with Porrikar breathing down my neck, how about that, Now: How about this: Tar is a Canoe that we cross the river accross Aldona to Khorjuem etc. Tarvm or Tarum, - U was not introduced into the Roman/Latin/Portuguese vocabulary till much later on, 18the century. Tarvm is a boat 'with sails', that we (I) sailed from Aldona to Panjim. Tha same Tarvm (but bigger) with sails that sailed accros the Ocean is also Tarum. You cannot call the Tarvm or Tarum person TARYO. Taryo is already taken up by the local chap who owns the TAR contract. Therefore TARVOTI is the promotion for the person who works on Tarvm. ED. (Dr.?) Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Goan friend earn A-levels
Hey people, Its seems that there are a few technicalities involving terms. To my understanding whether one likes it or not, Goans pre-1961 were Portuguese citizens -- as part of Estado da India. Unless there are shades in the concept of Portuguese citizenship that I do not understand. I also read someplace an interesting analogy that while Indians had their Penal code courtesy of the British, the Portuguese granted citizenship to Goans (whatever its burden). I found that an interesting reference in that the British did not choose to grant citizenship status, even to those who were with them as part of their colonial designs. But in any situation, different people see issues and ideas in terms of their circumstance. Which reminds me that the Jallianwala Bag (Baug) papers have not yet been released. I often asked my friends in Mumbai why they called us Goans paowalla, or paowalle. All I got was giggles, and the occasional, Nahin tar kai? (otherwise what else )what then)? But these were my dear Maharashtrians who in their own proud way had their own unique relationships with Goans. A part of existing in the modern is to slowly drop the name calling, but its also not necessary to be too righteous about it. One has to face the pain, slowly but surely. And incidentally, who speaks on behalf of those domestics, who not only worked their backs off but as I heard and am aware, lay on their backs to satiate their employers. Or those who just disappeared somewhere up North. This happens in situations of power (in its myriad ways, including the brute as in physical, and also the brute as in charm) and financial duress. Indians have always been fascinated (for better or worse) by Goans of all religious and other ideological persuasions. A lot was learned from Goans by non-Goans, and it still happens. Now it is about making what constitutes a Goan life -- within an Indians framework. I do not care what anyone thinks but one usually assimilates into modernity -- by attempting to negate its brutality -- by softening ones ones own sharp edges. To do this one partakes or attempts to impose ones will on those who have assimilated for better or for worse. Tomorrow we may do the same to others in turn. I have heard people say that would feel comfortable to raise their daughters (precocious) in Goa, and and if not that then certainly on holidays. The environmental constructs that Goa provides is certainly worth it for the non-Goan. Venantius
[Goanet] Action Alert:Rajendra Kerker, Prerna Bindra held hostage on Fomento mines.
Dears, Read the second lead article on GT front page today [20 August, 2008]. The Police intervened after a call from Dr. Claude Alvares [who was contacted by Kerkar]and apparently brokered a compromise between the Environmental activist and Tehelka cameraperson on one side and the Fomento's ILPL and the security agency on the other. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:04:26 +0530 From: sebastian Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Action Alert:Rajendra Kerker, Prerna Bindra held hostage on Fomentos Pissurlem mines Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] According to the reports just received at 4.55 pm today Goa's noted environmental activist Rajendra Kerker has been held hostage along with Journalist Prerna Bindra of National Newspaper. Both of them have been surrounded on the Fomento mines in Pissurlem near Honda, Sattari taluka in North Goa. They were on a visit there when the some people believed to be the employees of Fomentos' ILPL mining company have surrounded them and are not allowing them to move out. Please contact Valpoi Police Inspector Shivram Vaigankar at his cell number: 9823225883 and also call up Valpoi Police station at 0832-2374255 and ask Police to act fast to release both - Rajendra Kerker as well as Prerna Bindra. Shame Fomentos, Shame on your company and mining practices. Warmly, Seby Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
Re: [Goanet] Goan friends earn A-levels
All Indians residing in India were considered British subjects and therefore eligible for British passports even until 1955, although India (and Pakistan) gained independence on Aug 15, 1947. The British Nationality Act of 1948 provided for two categories of persons to remain British subjects only (not Citizen of the United Kingdom and colonies - known as CUKCs). These were persons connected with the Republic of Ireland, and persons connected with one of the self-governing dominions which had not yet enacted its own citizenship law. From 1951 onwards the only persons remaining in the latter category were those connected with India or Pakistan. India enacted it's citizenship act on 30th December 1955 from which date Indians were no longer allowed to be British subjects. Till the mid 1960s the British passport was a unified one and allowed all holders the right of abode in the UK. After that certain reservations crept in. Subjects of colonies still British-ruled and former British subjects were issued with a 'C passport that allowed all other privileges except right of abode in the UK. The A passport was a full one. This was the result of consternation due to several issues among which was that Hongkong residents who were entitled to British passports would emigrate en masse to the mother country since Britain announced it's intentions to hand over the colony to China in due course. Posts from others are welcomed to correct the above, if necessary, or to cast more light on a topic which once aroused much interest around the world but is now little known. Roland. Toronto +1 (416) 453.3371 On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:40 PM, ignatius fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder what passport did the Indians have during the British Raj when the wanted to travel to Britain to study or whatever.
[Goanet] Goan friend earn A-levels
If a person was born in Goa during the Portuguese era and then went to North India before India invaded Goa in December, 1961; there were requirements of “Bilhete de Identidade” and other travel documents to cross over the border. The BI was issued by the Portuguese Government to identify its national. If the parents themselves were not Portuguese Nationals but Indians, then Ms. Goswami was born in Goa as an Indian. And I would say this was the case, as she says her father was in the Indian Army and no Portuguese national could be in the Indian Army, unless you took up Indian citizenship. So to correct Ms. Goswami; she was not born strictly of Portuguese parents most likely as the father was Indian at that time. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. Ms. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami wrote…. “There was no question of denouncing my Portuguese nationality, because I never had one. Besides, my father was in the Indian Army and was with Operation Vijay for the liberation of Goa.” ………. “It is not difficult for me to get a Portuguese passport because I was born in Goa during the Portuguese regime, so were my parents and grandparents.” _ Searching for the best deals on travel? Visit MSN Travel. http://msn.coxandkings.co.in/cnk/cnk.do
Re: [Goanet] Goan friend earn A-levels
Cornel, What you have said is right, that India is the economic giant. That is why the manufacturing companies of the world are pouring into India with Globalisation knowing that the consumer potential of India cannot be ignored. I have always given this example: US total population : 250 million Take out just one quater out as poor which leaves 182.5 million Take out half of this figure as rich to very rich. That leaves 91.25 million middle class population. ( say 100 million who can afford passable luxuries like cars and things. Take India's one billion population. Write off half as poor to abject poor. That is 500 million of potential blue collar work-force which is double the entire population of the US. Take out half of the remaining 500 million as blue/white collar population which keeps 250 million of very rich - rich and well to do. Now take out just 50 million out of 250 million as very rich to rich leaving behind a mind bogling 200 million of well to do. This is almost the entire population of the US who can afford luxuries in life and therefore the front line consumers of imported products. And, more millions are joining in to swell up this figure, every year. This is what I have been trying to tell Bernado Company. If India can control the levels of corruption which it will be forced to do, with the way ordinary people get enlightened now a days, there will be no other country in the world to hold India's hands, including China' It is just that petty minds get bogged down with petty things. b/rgds floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan friend earn A-levels Hi Bernado A response to my post may not merit a scribble according to you. Further, you then request a definition of Indian ethnicity. However, I took you on re your contention that there was a connection between Goan Portuguese passport holders and a-level results. I prefer to stay with this contention of yours that you make but seem unable to defend. As to the concept of ethnicity, definitions are widely available in texts and the internet and I may spell this out to you when I have more time. At its simplest, you and I are ethnic Indians. I recognise this but you seem to have a slavish attachment to things Portuguese and despise your own inheritance and heritage that is historically Indian, notwithstanding the 450 year Portuguese interlude in Goa. Those Goans who are now students in the UK are classified ethnically as Indians and definitely not Portuguese as you seem to prefer. If you knew better, you would know that the Indians do excellently educationally in the UK and are only narrowly beaten by the ethnic Chinese but whose numbers are small. In contrast, the research on the Portuguese in the UK (as workers) indicate that they have the lowest education levels of all ethnic minority workers in the UK. Thus, can you not see that many a sensible Goan who lands in Portugal craves to enter the UK for better educational and employment opportunities that are not as extensively available in Portugal? I suggest that their Portugese attachmnet is zilch in most cases but this is rather unlike your attachmnet to former Portuguese colonial rule in Goa as though there was something glorious then, rather than brutal Portuguese dictatorship in our own life times. Believe you me, Bernardo, I personally experienced some of that brutality and had previously written about it on Goanet. Interestingly, we know that when some Goans went to Toronto, Canada, the children informed the teachers that they were not Indians but Portuguese. This embarrased their teachers no end but this scenario changed once the Goans there discovered that they were predominantly middle class but by saying they were Portuguese, they were effectively aligning themselves with the working class lowly educated and poor Portuguese in Toronto. If you knew facts such as the above and that India is a potential economic giant compared to Portugal, you might perhaps revise some of your thinking about that despicable word you use--ghantis for my fellow Indian brothers and sisters. By all means, do criticise Indian administration, bureaucracy and corruption in Goa but please stop fooling yourself that you are not ethnically Indian in Macau and that you will take your Indian ethnicity with you if you are forced out of Macau as a foreigner and then transport yourself to Portugal. Regards Cornel
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Did anybody get a glimpse of Naxalites with Koitas?. Need to inform M. Parrikar. OOps! forgot he's singing from the other side of the fence Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. _ Searching for the best deals on travel? Visit MSN Travel. http://msn.coxandkings.co.in/cnk/cnk.do
[Goanet] Plane righteousness vs salutary statesmanship
QUESTION: Are you so much in the know, that you can make thestatements that you do and are you so confident that it will be asmall Airport linking only the locality?Even if this is the case, why burden the Goan tax payer for somethingwhich will benefit only a few - perhaps more benefit for across theborder?-- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes.London. While thanking you for reading and responding to my post, I regret to say that the logic of your question(s) escape(s) me almost completely! I take it that it is not very consequential and no explanation is really necessary. May you live in interesting times.
[Goanet] Goan friends earn A-levels
Hi Cornel, I think your out pour of love for your bharat is undone by still carrying a Portuguese name Filha da Costa. In your own words would that not be slavish attachment to the historical interlude. You now sound more like a Bajrang Dal on Goanet, or is the coat changing from your commie leanings? Still no answer on ethnic indians? A bharati like you should have had it on the tip of your tongue innit mate? As for studying in the UK the whole world is attracted to GB. There are students from every developed country and the third world. So this is not news. And for your information the Portuguese in Canada and UK are mainly from the islands of Azores and Madeira who were basically abandoned by Salazar. Things are chainging for these islands, and today they are top tourist destinations. As for the standings the white brits are themselves behind the Asians - so what do you have to say about this? What does a potential giant have to do with Portugal? There are your ghantis brother and sister pis*ing and shiteing in large numbers in Goa. Goans want to see the end of this. Best wishes BC Hi Bernado A response to my post may not merit a scribble according to you. Further, you then request a definition of Indian ethnicity. However, I took you on re your contention that there was a connection between Goan Portuguese passport holders and a-level results. I prefer to stay with this contention of yours that you make but seem unable to defend. As to the concept of ethnicity, definitions are widely available in texts and the internet and I may spell this out to you when I have more time. At its simplest, you and I are ethnic Indians. I recognise this but you seem to have a slavish attachment to things Portuguese and despise your own inheritance and heritage that is historically Indian, notwithstanding the 450 year Portuguese interlude in Goa. Those Goans who are now students in the UK are classified ethnically as Indians and definitely not Portuguese as you seem to prefer. If you knew better, you would know that the Indians do excellently educationally in the UK and are only narrowly beaten by the ethnic Chinese but whose numbers are small. In contrast, the research on the Portuguese in the UK (as workers) indicate that they have the lowest education levels of all ethnic minority workers in the UK. Thus, can you not see that many a sensible Goan who lands in Portugal craves to enter the UK for better educational and employment opportunities that are not as extensively available in Portugal? I suggest that their Portugese attachmnet is zilch in most cases but this is rather unlike your attachmnet to former Portuguese colonial rule in Goa as though there was something glorious then, rather than brutal Portuguese dictatorship in our own life times. Believe you me, Bernardo, I personally experienced some of that brutality and had previously written about it on Goanet. Interestingly, we know that when some Goans went to Toronto, Canada, the children informed the teachers that they were not Indians but Portuguese. This embarrased their teachers no end but this scenario changed once the Goans there discovered that they were predominantly middle class but by saying they were Portuguese, they were effectively aligning themselves with the working class lowly educated and poor Portuguese in Toronto. If you knew facts such as the above and that India is a potential economic giant compared to Portugal, you might perhaps revise some of your thinking about that despicable word you use--ghantis for my fellow Indian brothers and sisters. By all means, do criticise Indian administration, bureaucracy and corruption in Goa but please stop fooling yourself that you are not ethnically Indian in Macau and that you will take your Indian ethnicity with you if you are forced out of Macau as a foreigner and then transport yourself to Portugal. Regards Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Mother Earth - Wendell Rodricks in Goa Today
StyleSpeak-Goa Today By Wendell Rodricks MOTHER EARTH It is not the best weather in Toronto. And the air conditioning is chilly in our workshop classroom. But a special Goan vibe has warmed the University of Toronto. Venue for the Goan Convention 2008, I overhear local students at summer study class comment Is that not the cool, hip, holiday destination Goa? I smile to myself and move on. Hip and cool it may be but there are some very serious issues being addressed here. From Dean D'Cruz' talk on the environment to Alexyz' book on the disastrous situation in Goa. The day before the Convention began I had a fashion show at INDIVA in downtown Toronto, very ably put together by Placido Dias. The decor is sumptuous and the models beautiful. Two Goan girls make the list. The very beautiful Jessica Pinto (destined for stardom at 5'11') and the curvaceously delicious Dominique De Silva (also at 5'10). Benita Singh, who modeled for me way back in the late eighties modeled the finale sari. She looks as good as she did two decades ago. Goans who complain that they cannot find a marriage match for their sons should have attended my Creative Fashion Workshop. There are five seriously stunning young Goan girls as participants. Easily the best eye candy at the convention they are young, beautiful, bright and wonderful. We also have some middle aged and a few senior citizens in the group. All are very enthusiastic. I am amazed at the results that turn in after the three days. There is a lot of hidden talent floating about. And this workshop has proven it. At the Opening ceremony of the Goa Convention 2008, we meet the 86 year old Mayor of Mississauga. She has been elected repeatedly for 40 years it seems. I chat with her and a Goan (of Karachi origin) Monsignor who has a street named after him. Victor Rangel Ribeiro, Ben Antao, Bosco D'Mello of Goa Net and an impressive lineup of successful Goan-Canadians fill the room. At 7.30 I was too embarrassed to hang on in the room as the Chief Guest, NRI Commissioner for Goa, had not arrived yet. Apparently some glitch with transport and traffic. Whatever...! I heard he finally arrived at after 8 pm. keeping a Canadian Mayor stewing for 2 hours does not enhance our Goan reputation. Buy a watch. Change your misinformed host. Sack the driver. Anythingbut arrive on time next time. The Convention had a big first. For those not fluent in Konkani, the tiatr Adeus had English sub-titles. How ingenious! Why didn't anyone think of that before? Bravo to Kevin and Lisette Saldanha who are such charming, always-smiling hosts that they now never need a hotel room when they visit Goa. So many Goans have their doors open to host them. Mine included. After my presentation on Goa as inspiration for Fashion and Lifestyle, someone posed an interesting question. What can the diaspora Goans do about the situation in Goa. To which I replied that Diaspora Goans should begin a corpus. With a million Goans worldwide beyond Goan borders, even if a quarter who love Goa give a dollar each month to the corpus, that is a quarter of a million dollars a month; 3 million a year. What's a dollar? Loose change! If the entire one million (who all claim they love Goa) diaspora Goans contribute a dollar each that will result in a staggering 12 million. Sufficient bargaining chip to begin a new political party that truly cares for Goa and throw out some of the rascals that rule Goa. The problem with Goans is that they are more keen about their ancestral land (and how to sell it most times) that noone thinks on a macro level. All Goans worldwide need to unite and get their act together. United, we can become a force to reckon with and halt the destruction of Goa and the Goan identity and culture. Canada makes one think of Mother Earth. The air is so pure, the sky so clear (even with rain clouds) that it is obvious that the Canadian Government has it's Eco plan firmly in place. Before I left Goa, I was speaking to a farmer, sitting in his little home near his field. There was a small patch of land that was bounded by a low stone wall. What is that small patch for? I asked. He looked at me and stage whispered That is for the crops and vegetables we grow for my family. Eh?? Yes, you see Wendellbaab, it's the only pure soil we have left. The rest of the field is full of pesticides and whatever else we need to put in to get a good harvest. That night I did not sleep well. An uneducated farmer knows that he is polluting Mother Earth with chemicals. What are we doing to our Goa?? This is soon after an official at the National Institute of Oceanography informed me that Goa's rivers have so much untreated sewage water flowing into them that they are now unfit for human swimming. That must leave the Tourism Ministry in a very delicate situation explaining to the world why Goa should be a tourist destination when there is an obvious health danger here. Why are we doing this? Why are we throwing this
