Re: [Goanet] Never Give Up(How my first book nearly never
This is my two cents. Sir Richard Turnbull was a snotty colonialist. Hope this doesn't upset you too much, Mervyn.
Re: [Goanet] GITP PRESS RELEASE (English and Marathi): IT
The computers supplied to schools under the Computer Literacy Scheme are loaded with pirated Microsoft Windows Operating Systems. It is high time that GITP prevails upon Government to introduce Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) in schools. While it is good to introduce robotics, does the Government intend to make every student in Goa a robotics engineer? Well that's just sceptical me. I am also trying to figure out where the money angle is. Tony de Sa
Re: [Goanet] Download Covid Certificate in minutes using WhatsApp
Dear FN, If you are a law abiding citizen and you pay income tax / file a tax return (required now the moment your income crosses 5 lakhs), then you have to compulsorily have a PAN card. PAN is linked to Aadhar Card. Banks/ insurance companies insist on Aadhar linkage. So there you go, the Government has you by your short and curlies. Even if you don't come in the tax bracket, you are probably drawing subsidised rations so Aadhar is necessary. Even for students and teachers Aadhar is compulsory. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! Tony de Sa
[Goanet] Download Covid Certificate on WhatsApp in Minutes
Download Covid Certificate in minutes on WhatsApp: 1. WhatsApp to +91 9013151515 2. Enter your mobile number in the reply. 3. Enter the OTP sent to your phone. 4. Covid Certificate in PDF format will be sent to your phone. 5. This happens in minutes. For those who don’t want to save +919013151515 to their phone directory, Type wa.me/+919013151515 in the phone browser and go directly to the number in WhatsApp. You can WhatsApp any number without saving the number on your phone by typing wa.me/ in your phone browser. Tony de Sa Perfection itself is imperfection. - Vladimir Horowitz
[Goanet] Why the Goa Bhumiputra Bill is a Sham (Anish Esteves)
Anish Esteves wrote: >>>However, beyond the rhetoric, while the Bill stands withdrawn, here?s >>>why the Bhumiputra bill is a sham for the smallest state that is i>>>ncreasingly becoming beset with major problems year after year. My dear friend, the bill is not repeat not withdrawn. It can only be withdrawn by the Goa Legislative Assembly or by an Ordnance. Just because the CM has conceded that the name will be changed does not mean he has changed his mind on the bill. The bill still stands and awaits the Governor's assent. If given, it will become law and then can be challenged in a court of law. If he rejects it, it will go back to GLA for reconsideration. Tony de Sa Perfection itself is imperfection. - Vladimir Horowitz
[Goanet] : Political Mix Masala
Goan tiatr has never failed to entertain the masses. It offers commentaries, criticism, didacticism, humour and entertainment. It has flavours that will please all ranging from sadness to the ridiculous. Francis de Tuem is a fearless Goan Tiatrist. Here is his latest contribution - a commentary of our times. "Political Mix Masala" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-uYvgWfl3k Tony de Sa Perfection itself is imperfection. - Vladimir Horowitz
Re: [Goanet] The History Of Canada In 10 minutes
Roland Francis wrote: >>Fairly well summarized but omitted the important subject of the waves of immigration, an essential feature of the country. Dear Roland, It seems that over time, the immigration policy of Canada has changed. If I remember correctly, many years ago, the Canada Government was advocating the "sinking boat" policy on immigration that only the fittest were fit for immigration to Canada. There were strict quotas and sponsorships required to migrate to Canada. Many capable persons were denied the opportunity of making a better living because of this. Tony de Sa Conquer yourself rather than the world Rene Descartes
[Goanet] Queen Victoria Statue Pulled Down
For Canadian amigos, The statue of Queen Victoria was pulled down in Winnipeg Canada in protest against the treatment meted out to indigenuous Canadians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Anlec-qKgU Tony de Sa Conquer yourself rather than the world Rene Descartes
[Goanet] Zero Sum Game
Dear Roland, What goes round must come round! Tony >>>5. Revenge in the hearts of many Afghanis who have lost innocent family to American strikes will lurk in their hearts to one day manifest itself in an incident similar to what started it all<<<
[Goanet] Did you use the MacAfee anti-virus software?
Why the past tense? Because McAfee is no longer in the land of the living does not mean that the company does not exist. I have been using McAfee Antivirus for the past six years or so. I have found their after sales service excellent. There was a time when my computer was hit by a ransomware attack. The demand for ransom was in bitcoins and every file of mine was corrupted. So I simply decided to delete all my files. I wanted to check if my computer was clean thereafter. One message on their messaging app got me a call from the USA to sort my problem out. Another time, when it was time to renew my subscription, I didn't do it as the price was very high so I simply purchased a new subscription. I had difficulties installing it so I used the McAfee website help centre. The response was almost immediate. Prior to that, I was using Kaspersky which was not very responsive to any help. When I bought Kaspersky from an online retailer, it would not install because the serial no was not being accepted. It took me days to sort it out and that too, Kaspersy with great condescension told me they were doing me a favour! Viva. Tony de Sa Conquer yourself rather than the world Rene Descartes
Re: [Goanet] Wake Up India, Smell The Kenyan Coffee
Roland Francis: << A few facts you otherwise wouldn?t believe;>> I used to follow Shekhar Gupta but gave up after finding that he is increasingly becoming pro Establishment. Tony de Sa Conquer yourself rather than the world Rene Descartes
[Goanet] A GRIEF LOADED 60Th YEAR OF GOA'S LIBERATION
Aires Rodrigues: We must applaud the entire staff of the Electricity department from the Chief Engineer to the linesman helper for working tirelessly to restore the Power supply across the State which was snapped by the cyclone that ripped through Goa. The Chief Engineer and the department are owed no thanks but rather condemnation. The department is ill equipped with no no basic equipment like protective gear, chainsaws, et. Today is 5 days since the power went off. For the first three days no work was done in Moira. Citizens helped with clearing fallen trees. The excuse being given is some staff have tested poitive. Shouldn't the department have employed contractors to do the work of restoration of power. Shouldn't the department be well equipped? For the linesmen I have full praise because they work under trying conditions. And lastly, as paying customers aren't we enntitled to continuous uninterrupted power? Tony
[Goanet] : Feeling nostalgic about Dar es Salaam?
For those of you from Tanzania, if you are feeling nostalgic about Dar, then there's a series of videos filmed by an American guy in and around Dar. This guy even speaks pretty good Swahili so you can brush up on your own. Various neighbourhoods like Upanga, Kariakoo, have been explored in different videos. You can see ho much Dar has changed. I am posting a link to one of the videos below. The whole series has been posted by Sabbatical. Would recommend you to watch a few. https://youtu.be/oJD2ypDywVc Tony
[Goanet] Subject: Re: Mega List, Cashew & Feni and The Lady President of Tanzania .
Dear Mervyn and Vivian (Mzee Shenzi) As a Goanet volunteer for these many years, the Goanet harvest is plentiful but the volunteers are few. I have been one of those manning the Goanet Facebook page for years, have seen it grow from a membership of a mere 3000 to more than 1. Be the change you want to see. We welcome volunteers. You could add new vistas to Goanet. Tony
Re: [Goanet] Goanet (drbeverly de sequeira)
Bitly says the link posted by Dr. Beverly de Sequeira is suspicious. Please be warned. Dr. Sequeira, request you to post the complete URL
[Goanet] Off Topiic: Article: Colonial Nostalgia and Nairobi?s Out of Africa Industry
Dear Albert, Here's a facebook link to the pictures I took of the Karen Blixen Park, in Nairobi, that I visited at the fag end of August 2019. https://www.facebook.com/tdesa2/posts/10225056222691045 Tony de Sa Conquer yourself rather than the world Rene Descartes
Re: [Goanet] Goa?s Election Results
George Pinto: 1. and # 5. below explains 99% of Goa's elections. In one word: greed. Or in a few words: selling your mother (land) for a few bucks is ok. Hola George, You forget the migrant vote bank which is most susceptible to point No. 1. They have nothing to lose. Not their state. So they go with the paymaster and pipe his tune. Tony de Sa Conquer yourself rather than the world Rene Descartes
[Goanet] Goa?s Election Results
Dr. Gilbert Lawrence wrote: " I do not follow Goa's domestic policies closely.? But it seems to me that those half-dozen goanetters voicing their opinions about Goa's priorities have themselves lost sight of Goan needs; and are now sore losers.? The lace-curtain Goans of today are like the lace-curtain Goans of the 1950s - totally oblivious to reality.? Like all workers, the top priority of Goans is likely JOBS,? JOBS,? JOBS.? The articulate Goans have expended their vocal power to thwart progress in Goa. This includes expanding the airport, expanding the naval base, and other major development progress, etc etc. With the stink raised, the naval yard along with ship repairs and construction was moved to Karwar; and from my reading that site is now the third largest naval base in India, with huge job opportunities lost for Goans.? In my view, the busy hard-working Goans have no time for the retired and sussegad Goans, whose PERPETUAL RESENTMENT is economic prosperity for ALL.? Just my two cents.?Regards,? GL" My response: Dear Doctor, You are right. You don't have the faintest idea of the ground situation in Goa. You may be an expert in your field, but you are not a messiah. You are right we are opposing Mopa, Naval base, major development projects. You cite JOBS, JOBS, JOBS as the reason why we should welcome these projects with open arms. Let me ask you,"Jobs for whom? Migrant workers to form vote banks against Goans?" You can be sure, in all these projects, Goans are going to get the dirty end of the stick. The plum postings will go to non-Goans. At best, Goans will get menial jobs. Then there is the scarcity of precious land in Goa. Goans in Diaspora NRG's think they know best what is good for us resident Goans.Sorry Dr. You are mistaken. Just now, Legislators in Goa are coming to terms with the need to define, "Goan" and to ensure that there is reservation for Goans and protection for Goan jobs in industry. Vijay Sardessai a firebrand opposition leader articulated as much by saying that when a BJP Government in Haryana can reserve jobs in Haryana for Haryanvis in Haryana by passing a law, why not a BJP Government in Goa pass a law to protect Goan Jobs in Goa? Btw, Fyi ,many Goans in diaspora are opposing definitions of 'Goan' and at the same time not willing to come up with one. These guys want their cake in diaspora and want to eat it in Goa too. As I mentioned earlier, the projects you mentioned above are more about land scams. The naval officers can have a golf course in Dabolim but refuse to part with land for parking. Please come to Goa and study the employment patterns and then shoot out. Tony de Sa Conquer yourself rather than the world Rene Descartes
Re: [Goanet] TODAY WILL BE A HISTORIC DAY FOR PANAJI
Unfortunately for Aires, the voter in the street has no access to sophisticated email messages on Goanet. The voter only understands the message of free urrack with limca with a side order of 'combeachem motton' and some times a few high denomination currency notes to sweeten the deal.
Re: [Goanet] Shashi Tharoor and Jesuit Education
Mervyn Maciel commented about this. I would urge Mervyn Maciel and other readers to watch the video below to see what Piyush Goyal, Hon Railway Minister has to say about education in Don Bosco Schools in general and Don Bosco's, Matunga in particular. https://youtu.be/T-GbvEAJMw8 Very interesting. Watch to the end.
Re: [Goanet] casino
From: Paul p To: Bernice Pereira , goanet@lists.goanet.org, Stephen Dias Quote: How many Goans actually visit those Casinos? Unquote FYI Goans, by legislation enacted in the Goa State Assembly are banned from entering casinos as visitors/ gamblers. Only those who work there are legally allowed. Tony de Sa Conquer yourself rather than the world Rene Descartes
Re: [Goanet] India?s Coronavirus Puzzle (Roland Francis)
Roland Francis wrote: " From today?s Washington Post: Back in November, Ajeet Jain felt like he was living a nightmare. The large public hospital where he works in India's capital was full of covid-19 patients, hundreds of them so ill they required intensive care. About 10 people were dying every day... . . . The results of a nationwide antibody survey of 28,600 people by the government released on Thursday indicated that more than 1 in 5 Indians? about 270 million people ? had been exposed to the virus as of early January? Joanna Slater and Niha Masih" - Dear Roland, Perhaps the thali bashing, diya lighting and shouting, "Corona go, corona go!" has had its effect? :/ Viva oriental mysticism! Tony de Sa Conquer yourself rather than the world Rene Descartes
Re: [Goanet] Retire with Grace
Regarding this subject, I am sharing an article that I wrote under the theme, "The New Normal" to the Goa Writers group of which I am a member. TLJ The New Norm -Tony de Sa In *ilo tempore, *in those days when the Covid-19 did not run its writ, I’d ride in to Mapusa several times a day for the flimsiest reasons. No errand was too small and no excuse was trivial. Mapusa and I were in a relationship. One of the many tasks that I carried out in Mapusa was to buy my *poies. *I have a favourite baker. Yes, Babaji’s – the favourite rendez vous of amorous Mapusa college students - purveyors of cold drinks ice-creams and snacks – also make fabulous poies. Well what’s so special about selling *poies *you might ask? Dozens of shops and bakeries sell *poies. *Well Babaji’s *poies* are special because they are large in size, have more whole wheat in them compared to the others in the market and have a great flavour and taste. With the lock down and now the pandemic scare, my visits to Mapusa are severely curtailed. In fact, you can count on the fingers of one hand, the number of times I’ve been to Mapusa since last March. So that puts the Kibosh on *poies *from Babajis. I’m not so sure that they still do bake them, given that the demand must have plummeted. Whole wheat bread is something I am obsessed with for dietary reasons and the local *poies *that we get are simply refined flour *poies *that are dipped in rice/ wheat bran to give them the *asli *look. With no other alternative, I have been living on the ersatz stuff and that was making me miserable. About a little over a month ago, while surfing Youtube I came across “Atta and Bread Makers.” Well that sounded interesting. So I started digging in more. I discovered that an Atta and Bread maker is capable of making bread for you using a “fill it, shut it, forget it” principle. That is, you dump the ingredients into the machine, flip the switch on and hey, presto, a loaf of bread awaits you at the end of the designated time. Exploring further, I discovered that I could make no less than seventeen different confections using the Atta and Bread Maker, (hereinafter called bread maker). Some interesting stuff like chapatis, brownies, cakes, puddings, pizzas and even jam. So I trundled off to Amazon on my computer and a week later, I was the proud possessor of a Kent Atta and Bread Maker. Yes, Kent – the R.O water filter people. Because of the pandemic and a belief that the virus can survive for up to 3 days on plastic wrapping, true or not, I tend to keep all my Amazon purchases in my balcony for a period of 3 days – I fondly call my balcony my Amazon quarantine. As soon as the machine’s quarantine was over, with great fanfare the machine was unveiled and the booklet hurriedly read. Basically, it was just like a washing machine. Turn the machine on, shove your clothes in, select your programme and wham! Punch the starter. Now for my first venture. After listening to my wife’s advice, I decided to make a loaf using all purpose flour – *maida. *The process was simplicity itself. 3 cups (provided with the bread maker) of flour, One cup water, I spoon instant dry yeast, 1 spoon salt, 2 scoops oil. All I had to do was to arm the bread maker. Which consists of fitting the bread pan in the machine, and fixing the mixing paddle). In go the liquids and the solids, shut the machine, power on, select the programme, decide the colour of the bread – light or dark and mashing the power switch. After three odd hours, there was a lovely loaf of bread. The success was beyond my expectations. Nevertheless, home-made bread is something to look forward to. After my initial successful foray, I decided to be more adventurous and settled for a whole wheat loaf of bread. Now, I was stunned to discover that whole wheat bread isn’t necessarily whole wheat. It contains a good bit of refined flour because a whole wheat bread when baked will fall on itself unless it has gluten from refined flour to support it. My effort at making a whole wheat loaf was successful but not entirely satisfactory because the surface of the loaf was pitted and though it tasted good, it was not aesthetic in appearance. My third attempt was a disaster. The loaf turned into a biscuit. This was, as I later discovered, because I had not proven the yeast which in this case was active dry yeast, whereas previously, I had used instant dry yeast. My next loaf was accidentally the best I had baked. It happened quite by accident. I had decided to use 2 parts of *maida *to one part of* atta. *While preparing the ingredients, instead of my usual 500 g loaf, I measured out ingredients for a 750 g loaf. Unexpectedly, it turned out very successful. It was spongy, had a great golden crust, the top was smooth and the bubbles evenly spread. My quest for the perfect whole wheat loaf goes on. I have bought ‘bread stengthener’ – vital wheat gluten to bring perfection to my fully whole
[Goanet] RIP Sylvestre Nazareth
Moira's illustrious son, nuclear scientist Sylvestre Nazareth passed away in Germany today. Condolences to the family. Tony de Sa Wishing you a very happy new year 2021
[Goanet] Goodbye Donnie
A farewell to Donnie. Welcome to Leavenworth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRBe7DIS2q0 Tony de Sa Wishing you a very happy new year 2021
[Goanet] Suspected Goa legislation to 'regularise' encroachments on Comunidade Land strongly opposed.
It is suspected that Government is trying to pass legislation to regularise encroachments on Comunidade lands. It is suspected that this move has the support of MLAs Mauvin Godinho, Milind Naik, Joshua D'Souza and Glen Ticlo whose huge vote banks comprise migrant squatters on Comunidade lands. Addressing a press conference, Componentes of Comunidades led by Hector D'Souza, Capt. Venzy Viegas, Tulio D'Souza, Oldrin Pereira, Ar. Armino Rebello and others voiced strong objections to the purported move of the Government, pointing out that Comunidades have existed for more than 2000 years and that this move will destroy the character, ethnicity and the soul of Goa and Goaness. Gaunkars of Goan Comunidades have to struggle to get a plot of land while this move of the Government is tantamount to gifting away private land for next to nothing. The presentation which was held today at Asha Centre, Mapusa, was well received by the members of the press corps. Later on a delegation of Componentes of Comunidades me the Revenue Minister, Ms Jennifer Monserate and handed over a memorandum. Tony de Sa
[Goanet] [Re:Goanet] deficiency in postal services
Nelson Lopes has very valid points. This is a fit case to take up with the State/ District Consumer Disputes Redressal Forum. Alternatively, please post your grievance to https://pgportal.gov.in/ - This is a site belonging to the Department of Administrative Reforms and Public Grievances - an amazing website which actually produces results. I wish more people would use it. Tony de Sa Wishing you a very happy new year 2021
Re: [Goanet] Traditional weights and measures... elsewhere and in Goa
I seem to recall hazily... 2 vonnati = 1 ginatti - sounds nice in Konkani, don vonatti ek ginatti ... 2 ginatti = 1 solgem 2 solgem = I podd 4 podd = 1 kudov 4 Kuddov = 1 maund My apologies if I have got the measures in the wrong order or if the quantities are wrong. I shall be happy to be corrected. Tony de Sa Wishing you a very happy new year 2021
[Goanet] Subject: Re: Professor Adolfo Mascarenhas - Meaning of Dar es Salaam
Vivian D'Souza Soccorokar wrote: " Dar in Arabic is a Port or a Haven.? Salaam in Arabic is Peace Therefore Dar es Salaam is a Peaceful PortIndeed it is.? It is so scenic and serene.? The port with its very narrow bottleneck entrance, keeps ships from being r. - - I envy you Dr. Adolfo (my chilkdhood playmate) for remaining in our birthplace, where you are a renowned academic, and received plaudits and recognition for several achievements." That's what we were taught in School in Tanzania (then Tanganyika) -" Port or Haven of Peace" Tony de Sa
[Goanet] Random Thoughts by One Anti SFX Goan In Canada
Prof. Adolfo wrote" Goa is a model of Religious Harmony Even Hindu Politicians were present for the Services. Probable reasons for H politicians attending the service: 1. Fear that not to do so would incur wrath of the Saint - call it an insurance policy! 2. To massage the Catholic vote bank. Just my interpretation. Tony de Sa
Re: [Goanet] Remembering Piyush drink in Goa
Dear Bernice, Cafe Remanso, in the Municipal building opp the Social Welfare Department in Panjim serves Piyush. They have a large cubical jar in which it is kept. IMHO, Cafe Remanso is the third best bhaji puri place in Panjim after Cafe Real and Cafe Bhonsale. Cafe Central was once the best but now functions as a bakery.
Re: [Goanet] GAUNKARS - COMUNIDADE - ORIGINS
Roland Francis: " Tony, have there been attempts by the Govt to grab communidade land let?s say in your own Moira experience." Roland not any major attempts during my tenures, but way back, the government acquired a large tract of land for the "20 Point Programme". The Committee was literally bulldozed into granting the land to the government. Today, there is a glorified slum there. The plots are supposed to be of 100 Sq. m dimensions and they are supposed to be one room tenements, but there are inadequate roads within the colony and many of the dwellers have built storied buildings there. The local name for the place is "Fukot Nagar" - FreeTown. This is an eye sore and in the view of some villagers a curse to the village. Every now and then the Panchayat lays down tarred roads in comunidade lands without any by your leave from the Comunidade. For your information, if I am not mistaken, Assagao paid around Rs. 5000 two years back as Jono. This I came to know through casual talk with one of the committee members. Assagao today, is not what it was years ago during your time Roland. It has completely transformed itself along with a few other villages like Sangolda, or Porvorim. There are a great many restaurants there, some of them gourmet restaurants. It has a lot of 'birthing centres' where women can have deliveries in water. There are all sorts of Yoga centres and clinics. The roads, even the interior ones are hot mixed. It has a school, a higher Secondary School, an Arts, Science and Commerce college which offers studies to the post graduate level. It also has an engineering college set up by the Pilar Fathers on land donated by the Assagao Comunidade. So today, you would probably get a couple of bottles of imported whiskey for the Jono that you receive if your name is still registered with the Comunidade. For those who do not know, every Joneiro has to 'renew' his registration in the month of May every year to be eligible to receive the Jono. Something akin to the journey to Bethlehem made by the Holy Family. As for the "mezzache poixe" Every committee member is entitled to a sitting fee for managing committee meetings. But I haven't claimed any for the past six years and neither have the other committee members. In fact we incur out of pocket expenses in the form of phone calls, transport to Mapusa/ Panjim, printing, a lot of which we do on our own machines. The comunidade has a desktop and a printer, but it is open only on Fridays because the Escirvao (Clerk deputed by the Administrator) serves 7 comunidades and comes to Moira only on Friday. So if there is some urgent communication to be done, we do it from our home machines. Hope this gives some insight into the Comunidades. Tony de Sa
Re: [Goanet] GAUNKARS - COMUNIDADE - ORIGINS
To all those who wished to know about the Comunidades, here's my two cents. I speak with some authority here having been a Treasurer of the Comunidade de Moira in a previous term and now for immediate previous term and the present term. For those who wish to know about "Jono" (that's the official term and those who receive the Jono are "Joneiros"), basically, the Jono is a dividend paid to the shareholders or Joneiros. Every Comunidade has Joneiros and some have shareholders too. Among the joneiros, there are "Vangors" or clans. There are also Kulacharis who were people who performed services for the Comunidade and were granted a portion of the Jono as a token of payment for their services. The amount to be paid to Joneiros and Kulacharis is codified in the Code of Comunidades. In fact if you read the code, it is interesting as payments are prescribed for various works and services, though the system of currency Escudos is no longer in use. There are forms for accounts and various ledgers to be maintained. Procedures are laid down for various acts. In fact it is a complete manual for running the affairs of the Comunidade. For those who wish to know, Jono is calculated by estimating the income and expenditure and then dividing the profits equally among the Joneiros as per the rules of distribution of Jono. In Moira, for example, Vangors 1 to % get a full share. Escrivaes, another set of people who worked as clerks, get a full share. Kulacharis get half share and we have a group called Calvekars who get three fourth share. Among the expenses is a fee called a Derama which we pay to the Administrator of Comunidades of the Zone for deputing the Escrivao to our Comunidade and other services. For those who wanted to know figures of payment, we in Moira have paid various amounts. Last year it was Rs. 1300/- There are comunidades like Chicalim which pay tens of thousands. It would be a very poorly maintained Comunidade which does not pay Jono. Also, the rules of accumulation of Jono vary from comunidade to comunidade as per that comunidades bye laws. The comunidades of Goa are not moribund. This despite the fact that we get no support from the Governement. There are determined efforts by various vested interests to by hook or crook to rob us of our heritage's most precious commodity. We have formed a Whatsapp group called the "Association of Componentes of Comunidades of Goa" to solve our problems unitedly. There are good people in every comunidade who devote their time to the running of this venerable institution even though it is a thankless job. There is an awakening among the comunidades and we are trying to save our lands. But there are rotten apples in every society and so in the comunidades too. In many cases the downfall of the comunidades has been aided and abetted by our own people. Government could have been more proactive. Comunidades could have been named as local bodies. This would save us from paying income tax. As it stands, Most comunidades pay about 30% of their income as income tax. In cases of land grabbing and squatting, Government could have done better by assisting the comunidades. Alas, there is no help forth coming. And all this talk about giving ladies rights to Jono, don't open a pandora's box. Anybody needing any clarification, I'll be pleased to help if I can. Tony de Sa
Re: [Goanet] GAUNKARS ( GOAN-ORIGINS) OF COMMUNIDADE DE GOA (W.F.)
The Code of Comunidades, or to give it its formal name "Legislative Enactment No. 2070 dated 15th April, 1961" which is an existing law gives insight into the workings of the comunidades. In comunidades where there are shares (accaoes) women do get their share of the dividend or Jono. In other gauncarias, where there are no shareholders, women do not get Jono. Before trying to make radical changes to the code, we should try to understand why our ancestors enacted this code which existed even before the arrival of the Portuguese in Goa. The Portuguese only formally codified it. The Comunidades protected the lands, the bunds (dykes) and the sluice gates. These were built by our ancestors by the sweat of their brow with no heavy equipment to aid them. Irresponsible legislation has slowly seen decline in the lands, the bunds and the sluice gates. The so called farmers associations which are supposed to maintain the bunds and the sluice gates are unable to do so. Neither is the comunidade in a position to do so as there is no income from the fields due to the "land reform" acts which have destroyed farming, particularly rice farming in Goa. Tony de Sa
[Goanet] The Jesuits are completing 480 years on 27th September 2020
Oh dear, the Reverend has omitted two Jesuits in his list of prominent Jesuits. These two I am referring to had a profound influence on the lives of a generation of Xavierites of Mapusa. Fr. Edward D'Cruz founded St. Xavier;s College in Bastora - Goa's premier college. Without it, many of us would not be what we are today. Fr. Joseph Pallithanam, who was a scientist, ruled the Botany department of St. Xavier's college with an iron hand. He also was a guardian of the morals of the students and was famous for his little pamphlets on various aspects of behaviour and morals. He was pretty good at cartooning too and would often embellish his notices with cartoons. Some of the lessons he taught us while maintaining our botany journals can never be forgotten. His insistence on clean lines in drawing, horizontally placed labels, no over writing and no ugly erasures. He was a stickler for work being submitted on time. These things in later life became a way of life - not to mention that people (your truly included) who couldn't draw for nuts became fairly skilled at drawing. .From: Pratap Naik >To: goa...@goanet.org > Subject: [Goanet] The Jesuits are completing 480 years on 27th September 2020 Regards, Tony de Sa ♦Technical Editor ♦ Graphics ♦ IT Stuff ♦ DTP
[Goanet] Dacoits of indian union breach bank
Arre Govia, mas khalem Paskanc and dhenk kaddlo intruzak? This robbery took place at the Canca, Parra branch of the Indian Overseas Bank TWO years ago. Surprising that you've got your meat hooks on it only now! Robberies are not uncommon in any part of the world, Macau included. If you want to run the Goa government down, at least be subtle about it. BTW I know the source in Macau from where you got the video. That same source sent it to me too. BC wrote >>> In an alarming event of dacoity, 5 armed robbers from the Chambal valley robbed a bank in daylight on the outskirts of Mapusa. 2 of the dakits were apprehended by valiant Goan heroes who beat the shite of them. 3 dakits escaped through the fields with the loot worth over 11 lakhs.? It looks like the police intelligence is at a premium in Goa with such happenings very common.? BC<<< -- Regards, Tony de Sa ♦Technical Editor ♦ Graphics ♦ IT Stuff ♦ DTP
[Goanet] Condolences
Dear Prof. Adolfo, Most sincere condolences to you and your extended family on the passing away of your sister in law Ira Mascarenhas. May she find the heavenly rest she deserves. Tony de Sa
Re: [Goanet] Just A Theory Why Goan Women Do Not Contribute to Goanrt
Rico bab, It's not a Theory. You are merely postulating something without adequate proof. Have you made attempts to woo or beguile the members of the opposite sex into writing to Goanet :/ ? -- Regards, Tony de Sa
[Goanet] CONTACT HIM NOW
Dear Editors you are found napping on your watch yet again. This is obviously spamt. Yet there are many gullible among us and those not wise to the ways of the world who would believe this crap. Please don't let this junk pass through. >>> Attention: Beneficiary >>This is to officially inform you that your email was short listed by the Central >>Bank Compensation Award Committee setup to compensate the huge losses >>of the victims of the internet scam/fraud; you are also warned to disengage >>from future pursuit of unlearned transaction. >> Yours truly, >>Mr John Mba >>Secretary --Tony de Sa
[Goanet] A few stray thoughts on a gloomy day after Goa Statehood Day
BC Wrote: >>> My family lived in Taleigao, therefore there was an extension to do the job, and the pigs cleared it faithfully. Today the Mapusa market looks like your countenance with all the bharat development Xri S?.? BC>>> Ola Bernardo, rankles no? To know your so called civilized Pork and Geese peed and sh@t in kerosene tins and that was the best they could do for their overseas province of Goa. People who have visited Portugal, including some of my relatives tell me that rural Portugal is no better than what Goa was in the sixties. And by the way, when I was coming to Goa in 1962, by train from Bombay, I saw all those armoured cars and vehicles with NATO markings with the wrapping still on some of them, which the superior white race abandoned when they ran like rats deserting a sinking ship. They didn't even make a token stand against the Indians. The best they could do was knock off the compound wall of the Mapusa police station, blow up a few culverts in Guirim and knock down the Mapusa Tar bridge, which was a blessing to us Bardezcars as we got a new bridge. Anyway, what are you doing in Macau? Can't Portugal give you a better life? Or perhaps migrate to Madeira, I believe you have relations there. Regards, Tony de Sa ♦Technical Editor ♦ Graphics ♦ IT Stuff ♦ DTP
[Goanet] A few stray thoughts on a gloomy day after Goa Statehood Day
A few stray thoughts on a gloomy day after Goa Statehood Day My family was perhaps among the early repatriates to Goa in June 1962. Panjim of those days was not what it is now. In those days, Panjim was a clean city. It was sparsely populated, the residents being few, but it had a large transient population of Government servants and workers in commercial houses. People came to Panim by ferry boat from Betim, by launch from Britona, Pomburpa, ecoxim and even Aldona. There were launch services from Divar, Chorao and Naroa. The incoming bus services were restricted to the island of Ilhas as it was too cumbersome to bring the buses across the ferry points. The buildings in Panjim too were interesting. They were mostly bungalows or ground plus one. It was only later on that the building boom started. Living in Panim was difficult because of the perennial mosquito problem. This was sorted out when Goa was connected to he national grid and there was 24 x 7 electricity. Prior to that electricity was available only for a few hours in the evenings from diesel generators. With steady electricity, people were able to install fans and this alleviated the mosquito problem. Incidentally, on a side note, in those days, elephantiasis was endemic in Betim. There was no sewage system to speak of. Those houses which had the space had Goa's great recycling machine, the piggy to take care of their excreta. Others plooped into a bucket or a kerosene tin which was then carried way by the scavenger on his/ her head. Perhaps BC who tom toms the great benefits the Portuguese brought to Goa was privileged to squat over a gold bucket. All the well developed places that we see in Panjim today, Miramar, Gaspar Dias, Dona Paula, Altinho, etc were hardly developed. Yes Panjim has seen 'deolopment', great deolopment today, but with it has come the filth, the squalour. the overcrowding, the slums, the casinos, the tourist boats, etc. -- Regards, Tony de Sa ♦Technical Editor ♦ Graphics ♦ IT Stuff ♦ DTP
[Goanet] Goa Statehood Day
Today is Goa Statehood Day. God bless Goa and keep it safe, especially from its own greatest enemies from within. Save Goa from land sharks, from black marketeers, from plundering politicians, from corruption, from examiners who try to make our students think about making Portuguese passports, from religious fanatics, from... May we lead our sussegad lives the way we always did in peace, harmony and tolerance. Amen Tony de Sa
[Goanet] Subject: "Nom de Plume" copacetic on Goanet?
Mervyn: On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 03:27:52 p.m. CDT, E DeSousa < ejd...@att.net> wrote: With so many posters on Goanet posting under assumed names? it would be good to understand why this is happening. Those writing under assumed names could volunteer to explain their personal reasons for doing so?? - Sadly, notwithstanding the guarantees given by Admin, there are several posters on Goanet using aliases. JoeGoaUKPereira, Devak Argham (aka Abhar), Bernard Colaco and a myriad others that I probably don't know about. JoeGoa is perhaps trying to evade action from Government authorities for some of his posts. The Bible thumper? Perhaps he is ashamed of professing his faith. Bernard Colaco because he is scared of the Indian Government and is hiding behind an alias to save himself from the wrath of the Governmant. At least be assured that this is not a pseudonym, Tony
Re: [Goanet] Finding Mogacho Aunddo (Roland Francis)
Roland Francis wrote: > According to Venita Gomes? article in the Navhind Times of April 2019, the > film was still being restored in Italy. > > If all goes well, perhaps soon Linken Fernandes may have to make a trip > from Chandor, Goa to the Star Talkies in his old neighbourhood Mazagon, > Bombay if they decide to mark the triumphant return of the film they showed > in 1950 by re-exhibiting it in the same cinema _ Just sharing a reminiscence: Mogacho Aunddo was playing in Arusha, in then Tanganyika, some time in the fifties. Goans from Moshi, my family included, went to Arusha about 80 km away to see the film. Don't remember anything of the film though as I was very young. The ride to Arusha and back was more exciting. Konkani plays were also staged in Arusha which had a much bigger Goan population then. Tony de Sa >
Re: [Goanet] Slave Trade
Mr. Abhar the Anonymous wrote: >>I am very much illuminated and enlightened by your version of history, At the risk of boring readers please allow me to state as follows; Palacio de Hildacao,or Adil Shah' Palace (or the Secretariat as you prefer to call it) was the residence of Portuguese Governor/Viceroy. It is recorded in history books that the Governor used to use back door to visit Mhamai Kamat. Sometime in 1843 or so and soon after the plague devastated the city of goa(Cidade de Goa), the capital was moved to Panjim and was called "Nova Goa".>> _ Really Mr. Abhar, et tu? What I gave you about the Mhamai Kamat's is current history and the existing situation in Panjim Goa. "Portugues gele ani te poder mele" I have lived in Goa, since immediate Liberation and at that time I have seen letters addressed to Panjim city or Panaji as it is known today addressed as Cidade de Goa. But if you are a man of the cloth, or a plain bible thumper, why are you hiding your identity under a nom de plume? Knowing that it is against the rules of Goanet? And really, sarcasm does not suit your anonymous profile. -- Regards, Tony de Sa
Re: [Goanet] Slave Trade Message-ID:
Mr. Abhar get your facts correct. The Governor's residence is at Raj Bhawan in Dona Paula. The Mhamai Kamats have lived for centuries behind Adil Shah's Palace, the former Secretariat of Goa, post December 1961. And Cidade de Goa was another name for Panjim. Old Goa is Velha Goa, not to be confused with Goa Velha another village. And again, obviously, you are violating the rules of Goanet by using a pseudonym. A Bible thumper and a rule breaker all rolled in one? == Voznadik Vojem <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=goanet@lists.goanet.org=from:%22Voznadik+Vojem%22> Sun, 03 May 2020 00:43:15 -0700 <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=goanet@lists.goanet.org=date:20200503> Soon after Portuguese conquered Goa, it became the main port to trade slaves brought from Portuguese enclave from Africa. The slaves were shipped from Goa to Ceylon and as far away to Macao. The Mhamai Kamats(whose ancestral house is just behind Governor's residence in Panjim) were one of the main slave traders in Goa. The Pangim municipality even had a department solely dedicated to recapture escaped slaves. Slaves were sold and bought in Cidade de Goa, now Old Goa. African slaves were mostly owned by Portuguese and wealthy locals. You don't have to wonder why many Goans exhibit certain African features and our ongoing fascination and affinity to that great big continent of Africa. Abhar, Voznadik Vojem -- Regards, Tony de Sa
Re: [Goanet] Dan Driscoll
Thank you Ana Maria and others who PMed me. May Dan's soul rest in peace. I remember visiting his place which was the flat adjacent to your (Ana Maria's) flat in Betim. From: "anamaria desouzagoswami" To: Subject: [Goanet] Dan Driscoll Message-ID: <20200422015233.16027.qm...@f4mail-235-166.rediffmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dan Discoll passed away in August 2019. I sent a post to Goanet which came out. He was hospitalised for cancer and died within a week. He had gone back to Canada, in 2012 after his wife Germana passed away in March 2011. He didn't go to Prince Edward Island, his home town but to Darthmout, Halifax. Ana Maria Goswami Thanks Tony
[Goanet] Dan Driscoll
Hope Dan is doing well in Canada. We don't hear much about him or from him these days, but I think he keeps track of happenings in Goa. He was a regular contributor on GN. Dan if you are reading this, hope you are doing well and please stay safe. Tony de Sa
Re: [Goanet] GOANAVIRUS
Perhaps Vogem means guano? Tony de Sa
[Goanet] Elsie Maciel - sad demise
Condolences to Mervyn Maciel on the passing away of his beloved Elsie. May Elsie find eternal repose in the abode of the God's. Tony de Sa
[Goanet] The Goan Club - East Africa
I can remember a peculiar situation in Moshi, then Tanganyika. We had a club called the Goan Association and we were given a plot of land for a clubhouse. We first had a wooden clubhouse which came down one day and we had a new one built at the top of the property. One fine day a Hindu Goan whose name was Molu Desai and was from Cuncolim walks into the club demanding membership. The managing committee of the club was in a tizzy. Such a situation had never happened. Most of our community laboured under a delusion that all Goans were necessarily Catholic. Molu Dessai was reluctantly granted membership. But he also joined the Hindu Gymkhana where he felt he was more welcome. Molu Dessai worked for the Tanganyika Police. -- Regards, Tony de Sa ♦Technical Editor ♦ Graphics ♦ IT Stuff ♦ DTP
[Goanet] Subject: HUMBLE LETTER TO ARCHBISHOP , FROM OUR HEARTS.
Please throw out this nut M Barreto.
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest Canonisation of Saints
It seems that the corresopndent Nelson Lopes cannot distinguish between the subject line and the main body of the email on his expensive IPhone. Xink re papiya. Raag math dhorunaka 1. Process of canonisation Controversy
[Goanet] GOA IS MILES AWAY FROM ACHIEVING ODF TARGET
>>>GLWrites: GL responds: Reading the correspondence on this topic, I shake my head in disbelief and understand why Goa is just spinning its wheels enjoying writing and talking about the topic rather than finding some REAL LOCAL solutions. How about bring this topic at the next village Sarpanch meeting?? Sitting among the Sarpanch committee members are YOUR OWN friends, relatives and neighbors. No need to inform the Indian Prime Minister or the international Goan community about the dirty little secrets. Regards, GL >>> My response: Dotour bab, you haven't the faintest idea of how things work in Goa, and it would be great if you came down to Goa to implement the suggestions made by you. You mean well, but I am sorry to say you have a lot to learn about Goa and how it works. 1. Once your best/bosom friend becomes a panch, let alone a Sarpanch, he is elected as a panch for 5 years and it is next to impossible to dislodge him. With this assuarance, he becomes an authority who suddenly by a mysterious process, becomes a fount of knowledge and a know it all. 2. His prime concerns become recovering the cost of being elected and maintaing his migrant vote bank. Friendship has no place in his agenda. 3. The "next Sarpanch meeting" as you term it is a Gram Sabha. This follows a structured agenda. To get things agreed upon which are not in the Sarpanch's interest is difficult. Even if your proposal is passed, there's no guarantee that it will be implemented. 3. Ranting on social media has two effects. A. It is cathartic and works the steam off your system. B. Many a time, social media is monitored and action does get taken. 4. And yes, writing to the PM is a bit of an overkill. 5. I have gotten many problems by complaing on the Public Grievance Portal of the Government of India: https://pgportal.gov.in. This is a government website. It takes time, but your problem is routed to the concerned department and in most cases problems are solved. Believe me, I' ve used it to great effect
[Goanet] Messages from AIFF
Why is AIFF screaming from the roof tops? Doesn't their PR person/ department know email etiquette? AIFF MEDIA ADVISORY: MEDIA INTERACTION WITH INDIAN WOMEN'S NATIONAL TEAM PLAYERS DANGMEI GRACE AND SANGITA BASFORE ON SATURDAY, AUGUST 24, 2019 (Shraishth Jain) 2. AIFF REPORT: KANAN PRIOLKAR: INDIA U-15 ASSISTANT COACH WHO COMES BACK FROM FOOTBALLING WILDERNESS + ADIL KHAN VOWS TO KEEP FIGHTING FOR THE BLUE TIGERS + BOYS ARE GETTING BETTER WITH EVERY MATCH, SAYS FLOYD
[Goanet] Subject: Trashing the Magic of Charles Correa
Gentlemen, this thread has been going on ad nauseam. Can we have a change of scene?
Re: [Goanet] Fw: Goa, Gone with the Wind by Rajdeep Sardesai (Nandini Sardesai)
I think the CM, you are praising so much is an import, from Kholapur He is brusque, rude and lacks finesse. GL responds: For a minuet I thought you were drawing a contrast between the sussegad people of Goa and the swift-hyperactive politicians of Goa that are skilled at twirling on a dime (literary and figuratively). I have to give credit to Goa's young Chief Minister who is a novice at his post. But as a Goan he may have it in his genes. The CM is doing a great job of orchestrating the 35 odd chameleons; out-smarting the old Congresswallas who invented the dance - used to be called "Doing the Charan Singh." Frankly the new CM displays a smoother choreographed performance than his mentor the late CM. Regards, GL -- Regards, Tony de Sa ♦Technical Editor ♦ Graphics ♦ IT Stuff ♦ DTP
Re: [Goanet] BC
Dear Fernando, Someone whom you and I both know very well, gave you away. So stop hiding under your pseudonym. And by the way, I received a mail from some of your Pro-Portuguese friends warning me not to attack you on Goanet. I am quoting: Hello sir, We have heard that you are attacking our Bernardo Colaco on Goanet. Please avoid going against our Goan brothers who are backing Goa. There are far and few left supporting Goa. So please stop your nonsense. Goan Revolutionary Council unquote And this message comes from XAcuti Goa Revolutionary Council forsooth. If you are gutless enough not to sign your name, what sort of revolutionaries are you? Did the Portuguese teach you to put your tail between your legs and run like they did from Goa? Anyway dream on. Goa is a part and parcel of India. Never forget. Jai Hind. + -- Regards, Tony de Sa ♦Technical Editor ♦ Graphics ♦ IT Stuff ♦ DTP
[Goanet] Sacred Heart, Parra, teachers of the 1980s
Hi Bernardo Colaco, Isn't it time you gave up this childish charade and signed your true name Fernando? This is the age of transparency So kindly get out of the closet and Garv se bolo, mala nam Fernando ahet. BC wrote: From jumping fences to comely maidens Rolly reflects the true spirit of Goanet! BC From: Roland Francis -- Regards, Tony de Sa ♦Technical Editor ♦ Graphics ♦ IT Stuff ♦ DTP
Re: [Goanet] Sacred Heart, Parra, teachers of the 1980s
Dear Roland, Unfortunately, it did happen. I happened to marry one of the 'comely' maidens via an office romance. Will be 40 years come December. Roland Francis wrote: " Hope Tony D?Sa did not mis-spend his youth with comely maidens like those sitting next to him and in other spots in the front row. I would." -- Regards, Tony de Sa ♦Technical Editor ♦ Graphics ♦ IT Stuff ♦ DTP
[Goanet] Goanet Revival
It is, indeed, creditable that Frederick Noronha is making an attempt to breathe new life into Goa's flagship mailing list, Goanet. I for one have been absent from this forum for some years now, though I am an Admin on the Goanet FB page. My enforced absence from Goanet was because there was a set of posters, who if they disagreed with what you wrote would literally hound you with mails. If you didn't reply because of other pressing matters, your inbox would be flooded with demands to send in a reply. This hounding got so bad at one time, that I preferred to take sanyas from Goanet. While at times, this attitude on pouncing on a poster made life for the readers interesting, it wasn't easy for the one at the receiving end, I'm sure. Fortunately, all that is behind us now as some of these posters are no longer on this forum, some for reasons that ere beyond their control ;-) This was the reason why many people who would have otherwise posted interesting stuff on Goanet simply quit the forum rather than being harrangued. While I have not been active on this forum, I've been a lurker and have been reading the posts. I feel that Gabe Menezes and Roland Francis have kept the ship float with their interesting posts. I wish Frederick all the very best in his efforts to revive Goanet. Best wishes, Tony -- Regards, Tony de Sa ♦Technical Editor ♦ Graphics ♦ IT Stuff ♦ DTP [image: Facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/tdesa2>[image: Image result for twitter logo] <https://twitter.com/t0t0>
Re: [Goanet] Gonzaga Coutinho - Rajan and Prema
FN: Is there something as a gentler Goan era? If so, when did that commence, and when did it end? I'd say that Gonzaga's dialect is closer to our own, hence the PLU (people like us) syndrome. If we don't accept the diversity of dialect and script within Konkani, then we're just the other side of the Devanagari coin, imnsho. FN Comment: Languages evolve. A language which is static is a dead language. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] How babies are made a humorous video on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=S_k-JD2Ng2A -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] Query: Prominent Mapxenkars
Hi Rico to get the ball rolling here are a few prominent Mapxekars whom I know personally. Adv. Francis Braganza, Chairman GTTA, Hotelier. Roland Martins - Consumer Activist Adv. Antonio Zito Braganza Prominent legal practitioner. Lucindo da Faria Prominent businessman Ms. Phylis da Faria, Former Mayor of Mapusa, MLA, Mohan Mandrekar - Former councillor and Photographer Thomas Vaz, businessman Valentino Vaz, businessman -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] It appears that our own Ole Xac BC has been right all along
Dr. JC wrote:, I trust that you have noted the following: 1: every now and again, one comes across an individual who cannot see his/her nose, even though it is right in front of his/her eyes. Almost every one one GN knows that (for example) you sign of as BC, I as JC and Frederick Noronha as FN. 2: almost everyone who was paying attention - is likely to have worked out (from my email) which well known Moidecar met with you in Macau; but then, it is possible that some among us just 'shoot from the hip'. 3: Prof de Sa is upset (no doubt) because he can no longer defend his previous boast to you that In the damucrazy he(Prof sahab) lives in, he can do anything he wishes, and yet he could NOT report an illegal activity to the police. Is it possible that the policia would beat up the one who does the right thing? 4: What kind of damucrazy is that? One in which one has the freedom to dump truckloads of garbage into the river while 'Patrao' is savouring Pork and imbibing that awfully smelly thing called Feni? 5: BTW BC: I believe that our 'libre amigo' is quite adapt at ducking the question by way of changing the topic. 6: Is it also possible that Floriano Lobo is right about the 'dapokh' Pork and Goose eaters from the land of the breeze aka Va = Comment: The alleged 'master' of Goanet has spoken. Full marks to you for your skill in manipulating words and posts and innunedo and all the trimmings. Re; !. Why is your protege hiding behind a pseudonym? That's the basic question which you have skillfully avoided. Is this the reason why in a previous discussion I had with your protege you kept badgering me to reply with your 'Reminder No. 1' and 'Reminder No, 2' till I told you what I had to say about the whole matter. Why the special interest? Re:2 The well known Moidekar who is supposed to have met your ole xac xac is allegedly Dr. Teotonio. (Xac xac's own confession) So why all the secrecy? Possibly he met him. But was he using his real name then? How come Macau residents do not know him? Re: 3 4. I told you before (but you seem to have selective understanding picking up what you want and disregarding other parts) that it was raining heavily, It was dark and dim and the tailgate of the pickup was down and number was not visible. Moreover, I told you that the operation was carried out very fast. I also told you I did not want to confront a few thugs. I wonder if you the one with all the 'guts' as you are trying to portray yourself would have done so. That I was imbibing 'that smelly thing called Feni is your conclusion which is not based on any fact. It only shows that you have a ripe and vivid imagination. Are you prepared to apologize if it can be proved that I did not partake of any alcoholic beverage? But then your legal 'pathshalla' has told you that you can assume anything you want to and make any statement on Goanet because you are the great JC. Again you assume that I was afraid the police would beat the one who does the right thing. Where and when did I say this? Or again is this a figment of your own fertile imagination? This is the same kind of democracy in which you lived and earned your bread In GMC Re: 5 you are peeved because I closed the last discussion. I have no intention to carry out a prolonged discussion in which neither party will accept the other's view. Your protege likes to run down the Indian Government. Yet by his own admission he has studied in Dhempe College - at the time in question he must have been paying fees of something lke around Rupees 350 p.a. University Education is highly subsidized by the Government in India. The measly 350 that he was contributing did not even cover 10 percent of the cost of educating him. Therefore the Indian Goverment has paid substantially towards his education. In Konkani we have an expression for this kind of behaviour: KHATA TEA PANAR HAGTA P.S. You think that you are doing a great thing by slurring the whole village of Moira. If it pleases your great mind, go ahead. But then you are never wrong. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] It appears that our own Ole Xac BC has been
?Xri S? first why copy what I write. Tuka apliachem monn na kitem: Second I have been on these forums for ages nobody has written their full names. Suppose you are named Ant?nio Sundar Lal Chadda S? (not sure where you were born, could be among the north indians) ?would you have the guts to sign off in this fashion. I was born during the good Ole Portuguese times, they named new borns?where the list could be chouri?o size like those hanging outside the tinto in Aga?aim. My late paternal grandmother is called Barracho. Go and check this name in Varca. Next time I will sign off as BB. COMMENT: Why are you getting bugged because I use your own words? You have been on this forum for ages (you say) and nobody has written their own names eh? What a laugh - That means Frederick Noronha, Bosco D'Mello, Gabe Menezes, Jose Colaco, Selma Carvalho, Roland Francis, Augusto Pinto etc are all pen names according to you - ha ha ha what a laugh. I sign with my own name and do not need anyother name and do not need to hide behind a mask like you. One only hides behind a pseudonym when one is guilty of something or if one is a calaumner or detractor. Come clean now what are you? Here's some food for thought for you. I have a few friends in Macau who are old established Goans - Members of various social organizations like Lusofonia etc. I am sorry to say, they know of no Bernard Colaco or Dino or Dinito. Macau having a small Goan population, it is logical that all Goans are known to each other. If you are truly a Macanese, how come no other Goans know of any Bernardo Colaco. Unless you only live in someones imagination or in some chinese dungeon in one of the districts of Macau. Why would anyone living in Macau have a yahoo.uk email Id? Seems you are even trying to confuse people on Goanet about where you live. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] Fw: It appears that our own Ole Xac BC has been right all along! (Bernado Colaco)
BC wrote: Tuka dante nah. You are sitting in a restaurant enjoying the mirchi dal curry while your guts are getting picante, but gutless to take down the pick up no. and call Parrikar for help. In Portuguese one would say n?o teve culh?es. BTW the moidekcar who came to check me out is teotoninha souzita presidente de republica das bestas. == Senhor ole xac xac: If you had the culh?es, Portuguese or Hindi or Konkani ones then you would have signed your correct name to your posts. Till such time, your posts are just ravings of a gutless person. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] It appears that our own Ole Xac BC has been right all along! - a Moidean follow up
JC There was a time when some of the 'majordomos' on Goanet refused to believe that BC was the name of the person signing as BC on Goanet. They thought that it was a pseudonym writing through some proxy something. The Maximest of the 'majordomos' on Goanet even implied (based on the post I retrieved about a week ago .. that BC was actually JC! That is until a certain scholarly Moidecar went and personally met BC in Macau. Having done the Santo Tome (the doubting one), the Lisboa based Moidecar was able to confirm that BC, indeed is BC! And then, the seas of conspiracy . settled down. Why they did not believe BC in the first place . beats me. For many years, BC has been railing against what he perceives as having happened to his homeland. To be honest, even I felt that BC may have been a little too extravagant and unreasonable in his criticism. Recently, one of the erudite Moidecars took BC to task with words like imperial whore masters, boot lickers and pronouncing quite loudly that as far as he was concerned, he (the Moidecar) lived in a democracy where one is free to do what he wants..(implying that BC lived in an inferior place) So, I sat down and thought: Wah re Wah . this Moira must really be a free place. Reading the most recent (previous 48 hrs) posts, I have reached the conclusion that Ole Xac BC has been right all along. This Moira appears to be a place where one is free to dump garbage wherever one wants to. Humh! COMMENT: Dear Doc, why are you hiding behind the skirts of anonymity - tell us who this moidekar was who met your illustrious BC. BC does not have the guts to put his proper name where his mouth is. If what he is posting is all that hot, why is he hiding behind a pseudonym? Perhaps that suits your medico legal bahamian style. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Caught in the act (augusto pinto)
Augusto Pinto: Dear jc You write (in your interventions on this topic to Tony D'Sa and FL), Moidecarponn i.e. abuse is welcome. Comment: 1) On what basis do you come to the conclusion that Moidecarponn = abuse? (For those who do not understand Konkani, Moidecarponn means the quality of being a person from the village of Moira. jc seems to be creating a new stereotype which suggests - ALL the people of Moira are Abusive) 2) Is your reasoning jc, if indeed there is reasoning behind your slur, based on inductive or deductive reasoning? 3) If it is inductive what is the principle on which you make this statement? 4) If it is deductive quote the statements from which you reached these conclusions? 5) Let me put a hypothetical case before you: if I said that Bahamanian doctors of Indian origin are just dirty old men with dirty old minds, would it be right on my part, if I were to come to this conclusion on the basis of just one or two examples? 6) Do you think you gain anything, apart from an ego-trip, to randomly abuse other people the way you do? COMMENT: Augusto, don't waste your talents trying to argue with the doc. He is the self proclaimed arbiter and judge extraordinary of all things on Goanet. The doc is offended because his blue eyed boyo is under attack. He has to resort to supportting BC a poster who has no guts to put his name where his mouth is. But then that's the pork and geese mentality. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Caught in the act
Chacha comments: I hold with JC. Taking down the reg. number...other minutiae of the offending vehicle, transgressors, should have been almost a reflex action...even though it meant, in lieu of opera glasses, to have countenanced the inconvenience of interrupting repast, and approaching the trans-riverine goings on, perhaps not, necessarily, with the Lancelotian derring-do friend Floriano vouchafes he would have employed but with less, pragmatic, panache Quite the basics of civics' senseer whatgood Prof. Tony de Sa? BTW what do you'll resort to in Moira when a glove is dropped such as our intrepid FL has so, ostenticiously done? Resort to swords or the mighty bannanas, in order to recoup honnour? REPLY: Dear Chacha, Please read my reply to Dr. Colaco with reference to your first part of the letter. As for Lancelotian derring-do its a matter of opinion. I don't think Lancelot or any of the knights of the round table were foul mouthed louts. Tennyson must be shuddering in his grave that a tar could be likened as a knight (of the round table no less) -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] Caught in the act
FL: Dear Dear Jose, Would you know what is involved in getting elected as PANCH of the VILLAGE? 1. One has to go door to door inviting the prospective voters for a LADAINHA or a Birthday Party at your home ( if you are a KATLIC). Serve them in paper plates so that one can count the plates which btw are the votes. This exercise must be done 3 to 4 months in advance. 2. One has to lick-up the prospective voters each day even if you do not like him/her. 3. You have to promise them that their illegal activities shall be totally and completely ignored. 4. One has to be ready to make one's house an OPEN MAD HOUSE a month before the scheduled election. 5. On the D-Day, one has to organized 4-wheelers, 2-wheelers et al to transport all your propective voters to the booth even if they are perfectly fit to do the chore themselves. 6. One has to be ready to make a black face if a particular prospective voter has crossed the other side and publish his/her bad deeds, especially if one loses the election. 7. On the eve of the D-Day, one has to make rounds in the middle of the night to pass on Rs. 500/- or Rs. 1000/- notes to seal the votes. 8. And the last thing to do is not to go to sleep the night before but keep shuffling the voter's list to count one's votes. If found short, one has to knock on the doors to wake up the new prospective voters to seal the deal probably with double the amount mentioned above. 9. After all said and done, one has to PRAY HARD that ONE'S INVESTMENT and hard work remains SAFE. Because, if not, One is surely reduced to a LAUGHING STOCK so much so, one has to wear a dupatta across the face while moving around, at least for some time. There is no HONOURABLE DEFEAT ANY MORE with all these investments having been made. Therefore, FL does not want to get into this 'rut' of pleasing people because one can never accomplish this feat and because he can never go door to door to give the voters the massage that they do not deserve nor build castles in the air. For Your Kind Information, before you agree with peanut-brains, who btw are a plenty in Amchem Pixeamchem Moidea, you keep your basic understanding of FL whom you know very well in deed, that FL does not want to be the KING. FL is the KINGMAKER. BTW: you please tell the TWITS who make hay while the election-time is around that FL is in full charge of the present Panchayat of Moira without even having to disclose whom he voted for. One example is that FL has worked to defeat his own neighbour who was aspiring to be the SARPANCH and investing and running like a blue-arse fly everywhere BY ONE VOTE at the very last MINUTE turning all dreams to SOUR GRAPES. Everyone knows this fact but no one dares to talk about it. And BTW ask the twit you are responding to and who is putting these voluble suggestions as to what I should do, how many votes did his own in-house brother get in the last Panchayat elections and if he himself has voted for him. As for me, my record is around that I have gotten my own brother elected twice, not once, not only to the Panchayat, but also to the MOIRA COMUNIDADE. COMMENT: Excuses, excuses - Oh boy what a load of sarsaparilla! The superemo of Goa's party of the future cannot stand for elections because he has to organize a ladainha or two or three and stroke the voters - what a farce. Ossie Cordeiro a pure novice at politics won the Moira Panchayat Elections from Attafondem Moira with a thumping majority the first time he stood for elections and became sarpanch and Ossie has yet to give a single ladainha.., Excuses because I can guarantee you that you know who cannot get himself elected to the post of panch. What the people of Moira say: Taka kutro passun khavcho na. Ask any Hindu in Moira. If you can get your brother elected to two elections, this surely should be a cake walk, but sadly the electorate sees only excuses. What about the elections to the Vice Presidentship of the Associacao Academica de Moira. The Supremo's candidature was sponsored by the ruling panel. And yet how many votes did he garner? single digit votes. Another trouncing. So there you go - no ladainhas. Inspite of knowing about the 'licking' of the voters, still the superemo stood for assembly elections and as expected got trounced. The future is bleak - I see no SURAJ (sunshine) for Goa. Party superemos cannot win Parliament/ Assembly/ Panchayat/ Vice President elections. Goans will perhaps be all the better for it. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Swahili word for music
Thank you - Asante sana Venantius Cheers, Tony Venantius Pinto wrote Dear Tony, Although you do not post regularly ? I want to say that I like reading your posts. Thank you. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Caught in the act (Jose Colaco)
RDS ! How will the authorities check this out if this COWARD did not even take down the Registration plate number of the vehicle? Shame on COWARD MOIDEKARS. (2): TONY de Sa COMMENTED: If the supremo can do so much, then why is Goa full of garbage? Why can't he get elected to the post of a panch or even the village dog catcher? jc's comment: Tonybab makes a good point. Florianobab should try getting elected as a panch (at least). That having been noted, Tony ducked the question on the table. From his own account, Tony was witness to a serious illegality. What exactly did he do besides writing to Goanet? Did he, for instance, record the make of the vehicle, the colour, the registration number and give it to the police, OR did he just continue eating and drinking? Moidecarponn i.e. abuse is welcome. Comment: Dear Doc, There are several reasons I can cite for not doing what you have suggested. I will cite some of them. 1) It was raining heavily and visibility was poor. 2) The tail gate of the pick up was down. 3) There were six to seven thugs in the pickup plus driver. Did you seriously expect us to have a confrontation with them at that hour of the night? We are no kamikaze fighters. Incidentally one of my companions was FLs relative who had recently been severely injured in an accident. Was he also expected to go and pick up a fight with the miscreants. 4) The operation was a well rehearsed one. It was slam bang in and out, 5) I did not go to the police for reasons of my own - as I do not want to be involved with litigation and police hassles. It is my choice and my business. 6) I wrote to Goanet because I wanted people to be aware of what is going on at the tar bridge. 7) The message has already reached the CM through my post via someone very close to him. Just because I am not political and I don't spout political propaganda does not mean I do not have inputs to the CM. 8) Being abusive on Goanet is cheap - just a matter of keying in a few strokes and calling me a COWARD doesn't make me one. It only shows that educacao de casa was sadly neglected in the case of the abuser. And this is the man who wants to lead Goan Politics in the next election bah. Mervyn Lobo rightly has pointed out when the man has no argument he attacks the writer's person. 9) As far as I am concerned this is a CLOSED Chapter. I will not respond to anymore mails on this topic. Though you are free to have the last word. All the best, Doc. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Caught in the act
FL wrote: COWARDS ! If it was I in that gang 'sur-ing' it up accross, this pick up would never empty it's load into the river. How will the authorities check this out if this COWARD did not even take down the Registration plate number of the vehicle? And he has the chick to post this here? For whose benefit??? This is why Goa needs SU-RAJ PARTY which I have founded with a few others, So that these COWARDS may call it SUR Party. Shame on COWARD MOIDEKARS. COMMENT: So the Supremo of the Goa Su su raj party is blowing hot air about his prowess. Wah re wah. If the supremo can do so much, then why is Goa full of garbage? Why can't he get elected to the post of a panch or even the village dog catcher? Someone in the village of Moira remarked to me, Taka kutro passun khavcho na Perhaps he is not in the habit of following the roadmap. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] Caught in the act
It was on the 1st September, 2012, that we witnessed this act of environmental destruction, There is a place in Mapusa on the southern bank of the Mapusa Tar river which has been acquired by the Mapusa Municipal Council from Bastora Comunidade/ Panchayat to facilitate the Ganesh immersions. This place is paved and has gates through which vehicles can come right up to the river bank. A group of four of us was having dinner in a restaurant on the opposite bank of the river. The time was around 10.40 p.m. We had finished and we were about to leave the place when we noticed a large pickup (Ex-300 model) enter the immersion area and reverse right up to the river bank. The pickup was full of bins of the type used to dispose garbage. There were around four to five persons along with the bins in the back of the pickup. Once the pickup stopped, the guys hopped of the deck of the pickup and lowered the bins and proceeded to empty the bins into the river and after all were emptied they proceeded to wash the bins in the river. One of the bins was a green bin which is used to dispose biodegradable/ organic waste. I don't suppose these guys were too particular about the colour coding of the bins. The waste appeared to be sloppy and was obviously the waste from some hotel. As though this was not enough, a little while later, two guys come on a bike and empty trash into the river from the bridge deck. This appears to be a regular operation and needs to be checked by the authorities. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Swahili word for music
Mervyn Elsie Maciel wrote: My own feeling is MUZIKI is the right word for music in Swahili Goma, or rightly speaking, NGOMA refers ,more to dance? Wouldn't drums be more appropriate for NGoma? Or is that Tanzania ishtyle? Like for instance jinga (Kenya) and kamba (Tanzania) for prawns? -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] The future is now and it is bright
Helping one's community can take extreme forms sometimes. There was time when there was a dearth of qualified Goan professionals, engineers, teachers, etc. There were various state associations (comprising of people from other states in Goa) in Goa which had their members in various organizations. For example the Keralites dominated the teaching profession, electricity department etc, the Andhraites dominated the water department in the engineering side etc. These associations would advertise in their home states forthcoming vacancies in Government and facilitate people from their states to get the jobs. They would even offer financial assistance and arrange for things like ration cards and the like. There was a gentleman from Kerala who attended an interview in my school who although was not living in Goa, had an employment exchange card and also a ration card, courtesy of a 'cousin'. Are you wondering still how non-Goans proliferated in Government service? -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] reply to Tony De s (floriano)
Tony De Sa may project himself as the most knowledgeable etc. But the fact is that he hardly uses his God Given brains and GOES WITH THE WIND. Thank God for small mercies that you admit that I have God Given brains because you try to project that you and your Goa sur are the sole repositoris of knowledge in this world. Perhaps there is a 'road map' for this? As for going with the wind, wind bag that you are you spout it at both ends. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] reply to Tony De s
Anna Maria Fernandes wrote thus: I know that those who are for the project contribute will contribute while others should shut up their mouth and eyes and keep quiet. Tony de Sa: You hit the nail on the spot! AMF: Those with emotions will definetly contribute and we are encouraging corruption in the catholic church by supporting this movement. Is it not that in many churches halls are constructed, libraries are construted and kept close because there is no one to use it ? TdS: Emotions have nothing to do with it. It is a matter of choice to contribute or not to contribute. You talk of corruption in the catholic church as if it is a daily occurrence, while I will concede that there may be instances of corruption - catholics are human too - one cannot tar the whole catholic church with the same brush. ... Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. ... If there are church halls and libraries which are not being used and being kept closed for want of users, then the parishioners ought to brain storm and find ways of using these places. Instead of complaining and being a part of the problem, you ought to take the initiative and become a part of the solutiion. AMF: Where are we taking christ in Pontius Pilate palace or in the stable ? Tony you decide where you want christ to live? TdS: I'm afraid I do not see the relevance here between Christ and Ponti Have a nice day -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] The take over of Goan businesses.
Traditionally, saw mills in Goa - known as bonxai's in Konkani were run by Goans. Recently, when I went to buy some timber, I checked out prices in a number of saw mills in Bardez. To my surprise, all but one or two of these were run by Gujaratis. Take the case of the Electrical goods businesses, all these at one time were run by Goans. Now practically every electric goods shop is run by a Marwari. It would seem that many of the original owners have sold outright but others have chosen to lease out the businesses and live off the lease rents. Pharmacies are going to big companies like Appollo. Will the Goan businessman soon be a museum piece in Goa? -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Goa Guvs and CMs..read with. FNsLISTS002: List of governors of Portuguese India
How does ole xac xac classify the rogues who populate the list FNSLISTS002? No doubt they being of the pork and geese variety, they will be absolved of all sins of looting, pillaging, raping, thievery, torture and every other crime in the law lexicon. But because they were white, they could do no wrong. How slavish a mentality. Isn't this a list of thieves who robbed and sold Goa. How foolishly and proudly we display these names on a list that has just celebrated 18 glorious years. BC ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] Goanet eighteenth anniversary
Dear Herman, Congratulations to you Goanet on its eighteenth anniversary. Eighteen years in the service of the Goan Community is a milestone and an achievement. It is great that you have nursed this baby and provided us a platform to air our views. Yes as regulars on Goanet, we have at various times loved Goanet, hated Goanet, cursed Goanet, walked away vowing never to return only to be back in a few months/ years or even days. As a Goanetter for the past five or so years, I can truly say that I have met many wonderful people on Goanet, I have been able to trace some of my long lost classmates and made some very good good friends on Goanet. Thank you Goanet. Please continue to be the reflection of Goan hopes and aspirations. Wishing you all the best for the future. Tony -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] Introducing a Goan Enterprise
Isidore Sequeira a young entrepreneur from Benaulim, Salcete, Goa offers Comfortable, short term studio flats for vacational rentals. Isidore's brochure reads: Jhampu's Furnished Studio Flats Comfortable, short term studio flats for vacational rentals. We are private owners offering studio flats rentals in village Benaulim, GOA. The location of the flats is ideal for guests on holidays. The nearest beaches are Benaulim beach and the world famous Colva Beach. The road distance from the Dabolim International Airport is 23kms and is 1.5kms from Margao Railway Station. The city of Margao is just 1.5 km away. Each studio flat is comfortable to meet your expected comforts for short holidays. Make your trip to Goa an unforgettable experience, filled with pleasant memories that will last a long time. Our greatest pleasure our close relationship, we maintain with our guests. The flats are furnished with - Split Air-conditioner - Refrigerator ` - Microwave - Electric kettle ’1: - Electric geyser - Electric lnduction Cook-Top for cooking conforts - Wardrobe - Kitchen utensils (basics) - Laundry services - Washing Machine and Dryer* (Common for all residents) . ` • Clothes drying rack • Wireless lnternet • Open Car Parking space • Taxi / two wheeler on hire can be arranged * Services provided at extra charge Address: 216/A Maddar Piqueno Pulvaddo Benaulim Goa +91 832 2770132 + 91 9673240564 . Email:i...@jhampustudiosgoa.com website: www.jhampustudiosgoa.com www.jhampushoIidaysgoa.com -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Electrical Goods wanted in Goa
I will be in Goa this December, and would like to fit out and furnish our flat in Anjuna before then or have as much done while I can. Please advise which outlet is best for purchasing the following electrical goods. They will need to be delivered/installed at our flat in Anjuna. Appeciate your advice and help. Cheers COMMENT: Mapusa is the nearest city to Anjuna and I would recommend that you do your shopping there. The way to purchase your appliances would be to go to the shop, make your choice of appliances, make payment/ down payment and get your appliances installed by the dealer thereafter. Suggested locations: Fridge, A/C Washing machine: Samsung next to Poshak in Mapusa or Shetyes Sales Syndicate at Duler Mapusa. Though you have managed to get the names of stores in Calangute/ Panjim/ Mapusa, you cannot order things on phone and expect them to be delivered. Business is usually on payment first terms. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] FNSLISTS-001: Goa Guvs and CMs...
Please check whether Sachdev's name is Mulk Raj Sachdev not NLR Sachdev. There is a commemorative stone at Miramar that says so. T On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com wrote: GOVERNORS OF GOA POST 1961 GOA, DAMAN AND DIU Maj. Gen K.P. Candeth Military Governor 19/12/1961 to 06/06/1962 T. Sivashankar Lt. Governor 07/06/1962 to 01/09/1963 NLR. Sachdev Lt. Governor 02/09/1963 to 08/12/1964 Hari Sharma Lt. Governor 12/12/1964 to 23/02/1965 K.R. Damle Lt. Governor 24/12/1965 to 17/04/1967 Nakul Sen Lt. Governor 16/04/1967 to 15/11/1972 S.K. Banerji Lt. Governor 16/11/1972 to 15/11/1977 Col. P. S. Gill Lt. Governor 16/11/1977 to 30/03/1981 Jagmohan Lt. Governor 31/03/1981 to 28/08/1982 Air Commodore Marshal I H. Latif Administrator 30/08/1982 to 23/02/1983 (Addl. Charge) K.T. Satarwala Lt. Governor 24/02/1983 to 03/07/1984 Air C.Marshal I H. Latif Lt. Governor 04/07/1984 to 23/09/1984 Dr. Gopal Singh Lt. Governor 24/09/1984 to 29/05/1987 GOA Dr. Gopal Singh Governor 30/05/1987 to 17/07/1989 Khurshid Alam Khan Governor 18/07/1989 to 17/03/1991 Bhanu Prakash Singh Governor 18/03/1998 to 03/04/1994 B. Rachaiah Governor 04/04/1994 to 03/08/1994 (Addl. Charge) Gopal Ramanujan Governor 04/08/1994 to 5/06/1995 Romesh Bhandari Governor 16/06/19951018/07/1996 Dr. P.C. Alexander Governor 19/07/1996 1015/01/1998 (Addl. Charge) T. R. Satish Chandran Governor 16/01/1998 to 28/11/1998 Lt. Gen JFR Jacob, PVSM Retd Governor 19/04/1998 to 26/11/1999 Mohammed Fazal Governor 26/11/1999 to 25/10/2002 (Addl Charge) Kidar Nath Sahani Governor 26/10/2002 to 02/08/2004 Mohammed Fazal Governor 03/07/2004 to 16/07/2004 S. C. Jamir Governor 17/07/2004 to 20/07/2008 Dr. Shivender S. Sidhu Governor 21/07/2008 to 26/08/2011 Kateekal Sankaranarayanan Governor 27/08/2011 to 03/05/2012 Bharat Vir Wanchoo Governor 04/05/2012 to present CHIEF MINISTERS OF GOA D. B. Bandodkar 20/12/1963 to 02/12/1966 05/04/1967 to 23/03/1972 23/03/1972 to 12/08/1973 Shashlkala Kakodkar 12/08/1973 to 07/01/1977 07/01/1977 to 27/04/1979 Pratapsingh R. Rane 16/01/1980 to 07/01/1985 07/01/1985 to 30/05/1987 AFTER STATEHOOD Pratapsingh R. Rane From 30/05/1987 09/01/1990 to 27/03/1990 Churchill Alemao 27/03/1990 to 14/04/1990 . Luis Proto Barbosa 14/04/1990 to 14/12/1990 Ravi Naik 25/01/1991 to 18/05/1993 Dr. Wilfred de Souza 18/05/1993 to 02/04/1994 Ravi Naik 02/04/1994 to 08/04/1994 Wilfred de Souza 08/04/1994 to 16/12/1994 Pratapsing R. Rane 16/12/1994 to 29/07/1998 Dr. Wilfred de Souza 29/07/1998 to 23/11/1998 Luizinho Falairo 26/11/1998 to 08/02/1999 President's Rule 10/02/1999 to 09/06/1999 Luizinho Faleiro 09/06/1999 to 24/11/1999 Francisco C. Sardinha 24/11/1999 to 23/10/2000 Manohar Parrikar 24/10/2000 to 02/02/2005 Pratapsing R Rane 03/02/2005 to 04/03/2005 President's Rule 04/03/2005 to 06/06/2005 Pratapsing R Rane 07/06/2006 to 07/06/2007 Digambar V Kamat 08/06/2007 to 2012 Manohar Parrikar 09/03/2012 to date. Corrections and comments, please send via goa...@goanet.org SOURCE: Department of Information Publicity Government of Goa 2009 diary. Wikipedia. -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org http://scr.bi/Goa1556Books | http://pinterest.com/fngoa/goa-1556-books/ http://bit.ly/GoaRecordings | http://pinterest.com/fngoa/books-on-goa/ -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com ** -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Shi
Whether the project of the retreat house is ill conceived or otherwise is for the individual to decide. The decision to construct the retreat house has been taken by the ecclesiastical authorities after due deliberation and due diligence. Nobody is FORCED to contribute. If you do not wish to contribute, please stay away from the collection basket. God has his own ways of getting His things done and does not depend on you and me. There are many Catholic charities that cater to those in need like Caritas and St. Vincent de Paul beside a host of other Catholic charities sponsored by religious orders like Mother Teresa's nuns. Please do apply to these charities for help if you need it. Humility is called for in these circumstances. Saying that if I were a Parsi or if I were a believer, I would have been looked after by these people is not strictly true. The bottom line is there's no such thing as a free meal. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Two questions about fridges
For me it is Samsung all the way. I have used fridges made by Indian manufacturers like Allwyn. Lasted around ten years till rust started eating it away. Since then I have been using Samsung - fridges, TV, mobile, washing machine, etc. Koreans score in product quality, finish and durability. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Special Status: Comment or lament
Ole Xacxac: I hope you will also pick up the? martelo, we like minded have been doing it for over a decade or since the advent of www. If want to discuss, here are a few points to consider- 1st as an educationist you have to undo the indoctrination of young Goans that Delhi is our master, Goa was not liberated but annexed -invaded. Teach the correct history, not akbar and birbal and shivajiThis will help Goans understand what Special Status means contrary to the torrent of lies that have been poured from New Delhi for 5 decades. ? ? ? BC ? ? ? Ole Xacxac: Many Goan citizens such as Mr. Miranda have picked the cudgels to save Goa from total destruction. Adv. Antonio Lobo is on a mission for the sametu purpose. GSRP has also lent its voice, today the organization is armed with young people who are ready to take on the fight. Goa Days are fast approaching will the organizations in question discuss the Special Status issue. Comment: Arre baba, please lead by example (i.e. get the discussions rolling). Don't wait for or expect others (individuals and organizations) to do the dirty work. COMMENT: Arre baba, there you go again telling people what to do as if you have the presumed divine right of the imperial whore masters. We live in a democracy where any one is free to do what she/ he wants to do. So do your own dirty work -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] Special Status for Goa: Comment or lament
Ole Xacxac: Many Goan citizens such as Mr. Miranda have picked the cudgels to save Goa from total destruction. Adv. Antonio Lobo is on a mission for the same purpose. GSRP has also lent its voice, today the organization is armed with young people who are ready to take on the fight. Goa Days are fast approaching will the organizations in question discuss the Special Status issue. Comment: Arre baba, please lead by example (i.e. get the discussions rolling). Don't wait for or expect others (individuals and organizations) to do the dirty work. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] This land is our land
THIS LAND IS OUR LAND How the politician- bureaucrat nexus is looting comunidade land FREDDY FERNANDES teamherald@ herald- goa. com PANJIM: For those who may have not spared a thought about what constitutes the ethos of Goa, Goan identity, as it were, or, for that matter, what is the foundational essence of Goan culture from where ideas, and aspirations spring forth – it is the land. This land of the people, especially “ community lands” are today under serious threat from a systematic assault by Goa’s own political class, together with a servile every obliging bureaucracy. Though the ruling and opposition parties may tear each other on various issues, in one of the most shocking developments in Goa’s post- Liberation history, there is an unholy consensus and great alacrity in legalising all illegal dwellings on comunidade land till June 15, 2000. Further in the current Session it implies that there are new moves to regularise illegal structures on comunidade land till date. It is mind boggling to understand how anything illegal can ever be legalised. That this is a consensus to loot land is clear from the statistics. Officials in government revealed that an appalling 80 per cent of the illegal dwellers, who have applied for legalisation, are migrant non- Goans who form formidable vote banks for nearly every politician in each constituency of the State, who effectively neutralise the Goan vote in crucial close contests. Only 20% of the claimants maybe Goans, whose cases can be considered. That government plans to regularise around 7,000 illegal structures on comunidade land Continued on pg 8 THE MODUS OPERANDI Migrant vote banks allowed to put up shanties with political blessings The structures are cast into masonry. Electricity and water connections follow. House numbers are given to them in connivance with panchayats. Illegal dwellers are given residence certificates, though political masters, though they are seasonal residents. Illegal squatters acquire ration cards. In the final stage they acquire voter identity cards to stake their claims to “ goanness” and to community land. http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/epapermain.aspx -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Punjab To Launch Card For NRIs
From: Tim de Mello timdemel...@hotmail.com wrote Chandigarh: The Punjab government Monday announced that it will soon launch an NRI card for Punjabis living abroad to identify them for official purposes and facilitate various services for them. . . He (Punjab Deputy Chief Minister Sukhbir Singh Bada) said that these steps would inculcate confidence amongst NRIs who feel insecure sitting in a foreign land about their land, property and investments in Punjab. More at: http://www.weeklyvoice.com/headlines/punjab-to-launch-card-for-nris/ So why not the same, at least, for Goan NRIs? COMMENT: Dear Mr. D'Mello, The department of NRI Affairs in Goa already has a Goa Card. This card is issued to OCIs on filling up a form and attaching 2 passport size photos along with photocopies of OCI and existing passport and a one time payment of Rs. 250. For further details please contact commissionernri_...@rediffmail.com. The Goa Card is supposed to give the holders priority in dealing with Government departments. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] The Kamikaze lizard and the midday meal
The Kamikaze Lizard and the midday meal Recently, the news papers reported that a lizard was found in the midday meal supplied to the students of a Canacona school The only fortunate thing about the incident was that none was ill after consuming the lizard infected food. This is by no means the first instance where in foreign organisms have been found in the midday meal. When this was brought up in the Assembly, the Chief Minister, Manohar Parrikar agreed that the food supplied to the students for the midday meal was substandard and also reiterated that the rice supplied for the purpose of midday meals was not fit for human consumption. He promised that come November, there will be drastic changes for the good. As a former head, I have always supported the midday meal scheme. I have seen in the course of my career, scores of children fainting in school because they did not have breakfast before coming to school. The reasons for this are many. Children dashing to school because they are late, parents not at home at breakfast time, parents too lazy to make breakfast, FAMILIES TOO POOR TO AFFORD THE MEAL - Shocking but true in modern Goa. The midday meal provided an incentive to the students from the poorer sections of society to attend school and so the absentee rate declined dramatically specially among the economically weaker sections. Many children would take a part of their meal to their home to share with siblings. Food that was not distributed (I do not say leftovers) was also given to needy children/ families. The problem in Goa is manifold. The cooking for the midday meals is contracted out to the self help groups. This was seen as a means of empowering women and of course like all else in Goa, had its own overtones in vote bank politics. Unfortunately, these self help groups have not been able to maintain standards of hygiene that are requisite in such an enterprise. The other factor is the dietary preferences of our children. Our children simply do not eat pulao at 11.00 a.m. They would be much more happier eating a batata vadda or a samosa. But the scheme of midday meals decrees that they should have a balanced meal. This where the conflict arises. Also the menu is repeated in the course of the week which causes waste. CM Parrikar has spoken of setting up modern kitchens in some of the primary schools. What I would suggest is the idea of having Taluka Kitchens for the scheme. If food is cooked centrally in the Taluka in an ultra modern kitchen, a few delivery vans could deliver hot meals to each school in the taluka. Supervision at the central kitchen would keep the Kamikaze lizards, cockroaches and other creatures at bay. Also standards of hygiene and cleanliness would be maintained. Moreover with the right team of nutritionists and culinary experts the right type of diet would be ensured. This is what I would expect of our IITian CM. http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/food-served-in-midday-meal-scheme-substandard-parrikar/1032001.html -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] The 'ajeeb' ways of Gorment Offices.
Way back, about a couple of years ago I attended a talk at the Goa Science Centre where the main speaker was an official from C-DAC, (Centre for Advanced Development and Computing.) I was pretty impressed by the work being done by the Centre in terms of Indian languages. At home that evening, I visited their web site and registered for a Konkani software CD. Days turned into weeks, weeks into months and months into years, but the CD refused to materialize. So I gave up hope and even put the matter out of my mind. Four days ago, to my surprise, I got a mail from some guy in C-DAC asking me for my evaluation of the CD. I promptly replied that I had waited and waited and had given hope of ever getting the CD. I thought that would be that. I was again surprised the next day after that when the same gent asked me for my postal address which I supplied by return mail. And lo, behold, the next day after that there was a courier parcel at home. The CD had come at last. A pleasant surprise is that you can install either Devnagri or Romi. I think C-DAC has chosen well to stay away from the script controversy. The base on which this software lies is Open Office 3.1 and it has a whole lot of software bundled with it. This CD comes to you without any payment whatsoever. So whatever your flavour of Konknni, Romi or Nagri, go for it. This whole business has got me wondering about the ajeeb ways of Gorment Offices. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] Alexyz cartoon
Alexyz ~ President of India - Pranab Mukherjee~ ** Presidents Dos Donts - Sonia Gandhi ** COMMENT: Biggest Don't : Don't ROCK the Boat, ;-) -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Syria.
Dr. Eric Pinto ; I have a soft corner for this Ugrik corner of the world,? the region where Amhara was refined into a language we now know as Sanskrit: lucky Finns can now put on a straight face and claim they speak Finno-Ugric.? Who wants to be Nilotic !? Baal, the principal god of the Fertile Crescent got his start here before taking over the?Sumaria river basins.? The oldest specimen of the Nile Rift script that finally took on the 'Roman' form was found here, dated back to 7000 years: it would reach Greek island shores a thousand years later. ?? I watched a documentary last night. I had simply never imagined a Syria making such strides.? Well dressed people shopped? for lovely things in grand stores.? They drove nice cars down well laid streets, lived in pretty homes, the mosques and churches, yes churches, ?were stunningly majestic. ?? The Alawis, buffeted between the Ottoman?north and Arab south, are only nominally Moslem: they need their wine, women and song more than anything else.? The Assads were proactively secular, dedicated to creating an inclusive society, and the young president was specially committed to the mission.? Concern about a resurgent Shia Iraq has Sunni countries working for a balance of power for the Arab world. They will rue the day.? The Islamists who have now filled the vacuum will soon turn on their sponsors in Riyadh and Qatar, and Washington will?certainly?choke in?a familiar?ditch of Afghan style quicksand.? Very interesting stuff doc. Could you write more on this topic? -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] The pen that does not strike
The pen struck home all right. Provoked this reaction from you which was the object of the exercise in the first place. Viva re Goemkar. ole xacxac: For some strange reason Goans do not know what they want. Divisions among Goans are immense. At the first meeting of Special Status (were our amigo below was not invited ) the discussion was between Concani and English. The meeting was about Special Status yet there were differences at the start. Thankfully these differences may now have been set aside and there was a second fruitful association. I have been on forums for several year Goacom, Goa World and now Goanet, there are Goans who read a lot, write books use loads of euphemism in their posts, on the whole an erudite lot, yet the pen does not strike. With the new found 'freedoms' away from the imperialists, our cities, society etc?are in dilapidated conditions. Even in Africa forced decolonization led to civil wars and deaths to millions.? In advanced places like Hong Kong there are now daily manifestations against the govt in regard to corruption, freedom of speech etc. all coming after the hand over of 1997. (This is not an apology for colonialism, but the truth of what is happening in post colonization period, bulk of the?wealth is shared by a few and the left overs are given away as sweetners, in Goa it is the mines). The problem with Goa after the new found 'freedom' is that we left our selves fighting with each other, reading too many books, writing about Portuguese history, getting indocrinated with ghanti ideology and the rest is what we see today. BC Ironically, in Goa and abroad, there are Goans who yearn for them to come back to Goa. What is worse these people also call themselves civilized. The would prefer to be running dog lackeys of these imperialists in preference to ruling their own land on their own. Perish the thought that the Portuguese or the Brits invaded Goa for the good of the local populace. Awake Goans awake. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Damn The Portuguese
Ole Xacxac Please STOP FLAMING and involving people irrelevantly in your posts. If you have nothing better to do twiddle your thumbs - all eleven of them. Perhaps you are showing off the 'great Pork and geese' culture of yours that you boast so much about. Or has living in Macau addled your brains ? From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Damn The Portuguese Just 5 decades Goans were faced with wanton attacks by the invader. Rape and murders were common. Imagine (John Lennon) and like Ro?says below if Goans had to rise enmasse? All freedom fighters would have to hide in Tony Sa's capoeira. ? BC? -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Mapusa a failed city NOT
Marlon Menezes: I have discovered that you are actually a Divadkar impersonating as a Mapsekar merely because your father owns a house in Mapusa. It is surprising that though you are a Ph. D in chemical engineering you stoop to such nonsensical replies. We in Goa are trying to improve our living conditions but you in your comfort zone of Texas are trying to poke fun and nullify our efforts. In Konkani, a person like you is termed XIKON BURUT -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
Re: [Goanet] Mapusa a failed city NOT
Marlon Menezes Thank you for your interesting, if nonsensical response to my post. a) I do not know from which depths of your warped imagination you have concluded that I am a Vascocar, perhaps you discovered this startling fact after imbibing a few tots of the local brew at your favourite pub. b) You should be more upset that your **quote world famous all over Goa unquote** market is now in the deplorable state that it is. When was the last time you visited the Mapusa market? I go there every day. If you have been there recently, then I would advise you go again to the area near the fish market near the place where the compost pits are supposed to be. Take a keen look at the open gutter there too. c) While you are at it, you can waddle in the raw sewage that is oozing out of the cess pits at the Kadamba bus stand. d) Being a resident of Moira which is practically on the doorstep of Mapusa, I am as much a Mapsekar as you are. It is we people from the villages skirting Mapusa that fuel its economy. e) You seem to have caught the bull by its tail (again the effect of a feni fired imagination?). Reginaldo Lourenco is not a Mapsekar to whom I complained but the erstwhile Chairman of the KTC and I had every right to 'waste his time as you call it' f) To round this off let me tell you to get your facts correct before you write nonsensical replies to letters. Nero fiddled whilst Rome burnt. It seems it is Mapsekars like you who are wallowing in the filth while Mapusa is getting dirtier by the minute. @ Francis Rodrigues: Go ahead let your imagination run rife. -- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:41:42 -0700 (PDT) From: marlon menezes goa...@yahoo.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Mapusa, the failed city - NOTI have to agree with Marlon, except on one niggly bit.?Tony, now from Velim, is originally from Karmali, now? cohabiting infra the Bahamas, antes in their pantes,? with bosom-brother - one of the three-member M.B.B.S.,? (Mutual Baizuan Back-scratching Society). FR == ===Message: 6 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:41:42 -0700 (PDT) From: marlon menezes goa...@yahoo.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Mapusa, the failed city - NOT Message-ID: 1342478502.52656.yahoomail...@web110616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Tony, As a Mapusacar, I find your post extremely upsetting. ?The Mapusa Friday market is, if I can quote Cecil, world famous, all over Goa. I find it extremely humorous that you, a resident of Vasco would dare comment about Mapusa. Vasco is so quaint, it makes a remote village in Bihar look like a bustling metropolis.? Yes, we do have a parking problem in Mapusa - this is a reflection of our higher levels of economic development compared to you lesser Vascoites who keep?trespassing our haven in your overfilled KTC buses. Regarding your reply from Reginald Laurenco, my suggestion is that you wait for another few more years. We Mapusacars have better things to do, than reply to some irrelevant request from an immigrant from Vasco. In any case, he is quite busy dealing with very mess being created by your Vasco brothers who keep migrating to Mapusa in the jam packed KTC buses.??And you have the nerve to talk about garbage?? As a blue blooded, true son of the soil, I find it very saddening to see my Mapusa being ruined by the immigrants from Vasco. ?This is written in the hope that some one like Nasci will hear the cry of agonized?Bardezkars and do something about preserving Mapusa.? Marlon ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
[Goanet] Mapusa, the failed city
** Mapusa is a failed city. Sad that the taluka town of Bardez which once had the best organized market in Goa has been allowed to become a shambles by the powers that be. More so when the present Chief Minister and his Deputy are both from Mapusa. The bus stand is in a terrible state. There is garbage all around, people urinate freely and the stench is awful. Sewage oozes out and forms a lake in the parking lot of the bus stand. That is where the RTO conducts its inspections. Two years back I wrote to Reginald Laurenco who was the chairman of KTC - he promised an inspection which never materialized. The market is today badly organized with no order or system. Garbage abounds. The state of the gutters is unbeiievable. After seeing the state of the drainage system in Mapusa, could one believe that we live in a nation that is capable of a nuke and putting vehicles in orbit? Even Mohenjodaro and Harappa had better drainage systems. Parking space is not sufficient and no arrangements are made for restricting the entry of vehichles or controlling their flow. The traffic cops who patrol in Mapusa do not believe in preventive methods but rather punitive methods on hapless victims like motorbike riders. This is written in the hope that some one will hear the cry of agonized Bardezkars and do something about Mapusa. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com **
