[Goanet] Fw: Fwd: Response to The British left six decades too early
Eric, Your thoughtful and reasoned response gives me hope. This is what I have been waiting for some time now and truly appreciate it. Very often those who write such pieces are products of the same pedigree and from the same erstwhile perfidies as those who are given to stringent hierarchies. They also do regard their tongue-in-cheek as being refined and highly elegant. But aside from such topics where a few connectives are made -- and reasonable ones too, there is scant rigor in thinking, although,there is some flair for language. Note, I say flair. In spite of having received education in esteemed institutions -- its hard for them to gather even a few grains of sense. Many of them thrive and consider themselves constructive in that they make analogies -- as though giving out splendid and meaningful insights -- woeful analogies notwithstanding. venantius j pinto Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: eric pinto To: GOA2 goa...@. Subject: [Goanet] Fw: Fwd: Response to The British left six decades too early - Every now and then I see something which defies even a forgiving excuse for its cynicism. Aakar Patel obviously belongs to that exclusive group that cannot seem to get their blinkers off. Sure, there is a lot wrong with the way things happen in India but to equate this with the abject poverty that the British encouraged to keep a nation enslaved defies reason. The same warlords divided this country and sowed the seeds of religious intolerance. When they found they could not milk this country very much longer they decided the scorched earth policy to undo the British Raj on religious and impotent princedom grounds.
[Goanet] One who soars too high, drowns
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Apartment for sale in Campal/Miramar area, Panaji, Goa. Spacious 3 bedroom flat (3BHK)available for sale in upscale area near Miramar beach Contact: goaengineer...@aol.com I believe the first one has been mistranslated. Chodd uddta, to buddta One who soars too high, drowns As long as one is soaring but not rubbishing others, or scoffing at them from their higher perch/vantage -- the question of falling, drowning does not come up. Chodd uddta is akin to being uppity, arrogant -- the buddta, to do with the fall. So its if a bird flies on high, and across water, the chances of getting back are slim. On the last one, Goans seem to have had a peculiar concern with filling their stomachs. And many proverbs as well as axioms attest to this attitude. In the proud traditions of Japan, the samurai, even if he had not had a meal would clean his teeth with a toothpick. The point being that as a warrior one did not bend ones head or collapse ones being in hunger. venantius Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:46:39 +0530 From: Frederick \FN\ Noronha f...@goa-india.org Subject: [Goanet] One who soars too high, drowns From Valmiki Faleiro's valmi...@gmail.com collection of Konkani adages, axioms, maxims, idioms and proverbs tChodd uddta, to buddta One who soars too high, drowns Dant koroilear, pott bhorona Grinding teeth will not fill your stomach [Now, 400 members on the Facebook group. See below, and share your comments, etc.--FN] -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/ --
[Goanet] How the NRI has fallen from grace
- BOOK RELEASE: Medieval Goa by Teotonio R. de Souza Will be re-released after 30 years on August 21, 2009 at 5:15pm at Goa Chambers of Commerce and Industry Hall, near Azad Maidan in Panjim, Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com - Just perhaps, Dasgupta is using a broad brush, but taking off on his fellow Banglas -- alluding to the former erstwhile babus/of babudom. I strongly doubt whether the NRIs vocal Goanet fall into that category. If it matters at all, Goan NRIs who are on Goanet, and living in the US, are doing well by most yardsticks. They have their say here not because people In India do not give them the time of day( they do) but to spell out their positions and test and tease each other out. NRIs, if at all they have have fallen from grace; such speculations or theorems must be opined in individual minds of Goanetters within India. Until those individuals say something, Dasgupta's observations do not touch NRI Goanetters. We have not heard an iota of such expression on Goanet, so the real entertainment value is shallow. If they have fallen from grace, on account of not distributing their wealth as in cash, then that is another story. In my experience I have noticed that although we may use particular collectives, say such as NRIs, Goans, artist, doctors, etc., to describe people and leanings—they rarely conform to any such commonage. I believe that life even on a kibuutz is less common and mundane than we thought. Speaking for myself, I say my bit since it fits in precisely with my mind, and spirit -- which is further expressed through artistic labor. venantius j pinto From: Vidyadhar Gadgil vgad...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] How the NRI has fallen from grace Entertaining article by Swapan Dasgupta in yesterday's TOI on NRIs. See http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/right-and-wrong/entry/how-the-non-resident-indian The last two paras are pasted below. --- The average NRI?s fall from grace in India has been precipitate. The vacuous condescension that marked earlier attitudes has been replaced by desperation to find some accommodation somewhere. The big NRI players have no problem ? they have seen their social worth in the West keep pace with India?s soaring reputation as a rising power. But the small fish whose tie and a twang once enabled him to lord over his less fortunate brethren in India has seen envy replaced with disinterest. To the NRI confronted with a precarious descent into obscurity, there is only a small solace: interventions on the net. Taking advantage of a more connected world, the professional NRI (who knows no other identity) has stepped up his battles to cast India in his own confused image. No Indian website is free from the voluminous but pernicious comments of the know-all, ultra-nationalist NRI banging away on the computer in splendid isolation. From being India?s would-be benefactors, the meddlesome NRI has become an intellectual nuisance, derailing civil discourse with his paranoia and pseudo-superiority. It?s time he was royally ignored. -- Question everything -- Karl Marx --
[Goanet] (no subject)
Genius. Well put. Truly a no subject or no-brainer. vjp From: percy ferrao percyfer...@yahoo.com wrote:Courtesy times of india, by?Anand Soondas Don?t make a big deal of Shah Rukh?s detention Anand Soondas? Saturday August 15, 2009 Who?s stopping you and what?s stopping you? Colonial hangover? Or is it plain lethargy and callousness.
[Goanet] Drought of Justice, Flood of Funds by P. Sainath
I hope this is considered as a Goa-related topic. I mean we are talking of commodities liek tur dal, and the futures market. Also, resident geniuses would not be averse to whimpering or not loathe to educating us that the following except is not exactly socialism for the wealthy. venantius +++ Drought of Justice, Flood of Funds By P. SAINATH http://www.counterpunch.org/sainath08172009.html (excerpt) Remember the great loan waiver of 2008, that historic write-off of the loans of indebted farmers? Recall the editorials whining about 'fiscal imprudence?' That was a one-time, one-off waiver covering countless millions of farmers and was claimed to touch $14.5 billion. But over $ 27 billion (in direct taxes) have been doled out in concessions in just two budgets to a tiny gaggle of merchants hogging at the public trough, without a whimper of protest in the media. Imagine what budget giveaways to corporates since 1991 would total. We'd be talking many trillions of rupees.
[Goanet] Comedy show
It may come across or be reagrded as a joke, but its still worth trying to get him to offer an apology. As I always say, apologies do nothing--BUT these are small victories and PR for both sides, considerin the nature of our socially engineered societies. Perhaps Selma could write to the Speaker, and try and meet IT, and give IT a sense of the intellectual outrage created in the minds of the Goans, big and small, rich and richer, those born on tiny plots and others on larger tracts, etc., etc. It just may dissolve into tears, at having ridiculed its Goan sisters and brothers. HE may rethink his own humanity. It may go after me too; in itty-bitterness. venantius j pinto Message: 11 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:18:49 +0100 From: Cajetan Alvares cajul...@googlemail.com Subject: [Goanet] Comedy show I think the Speaker should apologise to the People now, unless we have a move like that, democracy in Goa has just been turned back a couple of centuries. selma -- Are you joking? You have lived in UK for too long, looks like it. In UK, Ministers carry their own briefcases and work papers. In India there are 10 voters, I mean voters, ready to carry their luggage for free and 9 say sorry for not doing so. Why should the MLAs say sorry? In UK, ministers cycle to work, in India/Goa they want to be driven or better still carried. Sorry, is a bad word in India. Caj.
[Goanet] Comedy show
Hi Cajetan, I agree on both counts, regarding Churchill or anyone else? Nothing against you Cajetan Alvares. If it was I would say so, as I have to others in the past. Besides that look at CBA--he looks so sad and depressing. I cannot believe he even has the ability to beat anyone--in that he is not hard to bring him down physically one-on-one. Perhaps its time our guys strated practicing some self-defence. My point strictly had to do with Selma having her say; and addressing the part of her question being seen or nurtured as a joke--albeit rhetorically or not. So if someone had said the same things about Churchill, I would say the same -- to go ahead and give it a shot. If they asked for my signature, I would give it. I live outside India, still am a Indian citizen. So I too (taking into account recent variables) can get arrested when I come to India. Considering deals possibly in the works among various countries--one may even get arrested if one is of Indian origin. Who knows Bab Cajetan? I am ready for it, and have been since a child. This does not me that I or you for that matter, should make a point. I draw, you do what you do. In between we occasionally have our say. We have become a different people, and people are rarely willing to go to jail. To do so, for one among a myriad of factors we may not know, but one that we know for sure -- is that it takes conviction. This does not mean that people do not have conviction or it is impure, but even those who do follow a principled path; contemplate factors besides conviction in shying/avoiding from arrest. Most societies are one-sided. Our is more obvious--pardon me, blatant. All we can do in my opinion is to be gracious. This is not for all, but still works, depending on how one approaches life's hurdles. I say this to those who babble about Gandhi and conviction and the nonviolence for that matter. People wear learned moral values to negotiate life. They are true forms or beliefs, only for a few. For most, it is a camouflage. Its is akin to the gilly-suits that snipers wear, based on the terrain. It changes, when someone desires something that one may have, say angling for a dear daughter spirit, or mind or her body. Things will never be the same, as we see our impressions of the word same, in our minds eyes. venantius j pinto Message: 8 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:56:26 +0100 From: Cajetan Alvares cajul...@googlemail.com Subject: [Goanet] Comedy show BUTthese are small victories and PR for both sides, considerin the nature ofour socially engineered societies.- Venantius Pinto. - Hi, What about an apology from Cherchill? Instead, he will bribe them and tell them to lie. Considering the nature of our society - thats how it is. Always one sided. What bugs me is, why isn't any one prepared to go to jail for these two. Caj.
Re: [Goanet] Comedy show
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) book launch in London, England @ the World Goa Day festivities on 15 Aug at 7pm Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com - Santosh, the points made by Roland Francis are very relevant and make sense both legally as well as would clearly express the understanding in such matters of the signatory group. I missed this inadvertent glitch in the midst of working. venantius From: Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Comedy show Santosh, this letter can be open to justifiable criticism when it mentions this free democratic country of ours. Many of the petitioners are likely non-Indian citizens. Substituting free India would solve the problem. I am in full solidarity with Peter and Samir and their right to express their opinions as citizens, but I would have a problem with the following contentions: a) The Goa Vidhan Sabha is not a joke. It is the indivdual legislators who comprise it who are jokers. b) Individual citizens cannot be more powerful than government or elected representatives. The only time they have the power is when electing them with the expectation that they will uphold the constitution, the good of the state and it's reputation - none of which Rane and his cohorts seem capable of. While you are at it, you might as well ask for jail time for the Varca comedian for the lastest episode of the assault on the security detail in Seraulim advised in Uday Barad's post. Roland.
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The price of language chauvinism:English education in Goa (Nisser Dias)
Fred, You make good points, frank examples, and are talking of India, Comet is talking perhaps outside of India, unless the English has also helped him in the interiors of India or even say at Masjid, Mumbai. Buts as you put it you have been to Finland and Germany, but at least in Finland you must have been forced to speak some English, unless you have been quietly studying Finnish. Yksi kieli ei koskaan riitä. Perhaps if people run a Mafco stand and only speak in English it may work. No need to even school the children then. Could get difficult if people come running up, see the BEST bus coming up the road and yell their orders, Ek brayilar (hindi), ek broylor (Konknni), eka broilar (marathi), ek brailare (punjabi), and others may concoct the rest. I would have been roaming in the Sahyadris for days and perhaps barely made it out, being exhausted, if I had been able to speak in Marathi with a kindly woman who at first was totally startled at seeing me, and practically ran (ti dhavat suttli). She was startled in a different way, when she realized that I was somehow beginning to speak in her dialect, as the conversation progressed. Next year my crash course in calligraphy will be entirely in Japanese and one-on-one with a prof at Chuo Daigaku. I may as well stick my thumb somewhere if I cannot keep up. All my English vocabulary will gain not even gain me a bowl of sticky rice. Basically what I am saying is that Comets reality must be different. Perhaps he chose it to b such, or it transpired in the way it appears in his statement. One more thing as the French put it, Language is learnt at the pillow. But our pillows used to have embroidery in Inglis. II Sweet dreams mhane II My Dad—the boy always, the man, the funny man, who studied up to std 4, was proud that he could read Marathi and Hindi in Devnagiri. Bus signs for sure. At JJ that memory, resurrected itself after I got pathetic marks in Hindi in the SSC. Its all a matter of time, what you do with it and the places you wish to go, in your mind, into the hearts of others and of course physical places. So to each his own. venantius 30 From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * fredericknoro...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The price of language chauvinism:English education in Goa (Nisser Dias) Viva la difference! 2009/8/11 AF co...@comettele.com VIVA Goa! I speak NO Portuguese, I speak no HINDI, nor Marathi..French through SSC was for the birds; I undertand a little of Konkannim..., but I have gone places speaking English.!! I understand very little Portuguese. I can manage barely passable Hindi. Despite having studied Marathi for just three years in school, I manage to read the headlines in the local newspapers when needed. French was all about verbs, and wouldn't follow anything if spoken by a native. I try to understand various dialects of Konkani/Concanim/Konkannim, but struggle with my daughter's six standard texts. And, I've not gone places speaking English, but have been staying home (mostly) since returning here at the age of two! FN PS: Btw, I also found out that English is as good as Latin, Greek or Sanskrit (almost) when one visits Germany or parts of Thailand and even Finland! So where does that leave us? -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Konkani adages http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/ Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/ --
[Goanet] The Sister Act
They can be ostracized from ones lives. My brother legally dropped his godfathers name and took the name of our Dad. My younger brother was also given his gaodfathers name and retains it. My middle names is neither my fathers nor my godfather or godmother. venantius From: Cecil Pinto cecilpi...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] The Sister Act But there is no provision to change a badly chosen Godparent or an inappropriate rakhi sister.
[Goanet] The Epidemic of Pot Arrests in New York City
The Epidemic of Pot Arrests in New York City By Harry G. Levine , AlterNet. Posted August 10, 2009. Marijuana possession is decriminalized in New York State. Nonetheless, New York City makes more pot arrests than any city in the world. http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/141866/the_epidemic_of_pot_arrests_in_new_york_city/ (venantius: This too will come to pass in India. Also make other relevant analogies.)
[Goanet] calling Aires D' Costa/ Da Costa Maxwel Queeny Rock/Rocque
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book, The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ - If anyone knows Aires D' Costa/ Da Costa and Maxwell Queeny Rock (Rocque ?), please have them contact me. The batch of 85 of JJ Applied would like to have him be part of our group on the JJ Applied Art Alumni Network. Please come home. All are waiting, venantius j pinto
[Goanet] comedy show
- Goanetter Francis Rodrigues (Vasco/Toronto) unveils his book, The Greatest Konkani Song Hits. Launch dates: Goa (Kala Academy) on 9 Aug. 4 pm. U.K. (Staines) on 15 Aug. Canada on 20 Aug and US on 30 Aug. Details http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ - Hi Santosh, Please include me in standing alongside Samir and Peter. venantius j pinto
Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman (Fred)
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html I was under the impression that the W was silent. Should it not be Ot man. Please do not shake my moorings any more bro! As it is I am so far away. venantius Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman (Fred) (del), Kitem re(h)? Wot men?
Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman (Fred)
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html I totally got it. What I am saying is that Goans who speaking largely Konknni as say my relatives say Ot, not Wot; man (more precisely maen) not men. I understand the bit about Inglez, etc. Thanks. I was also joking but everything I said stays the same. venantius From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * fredericknoro...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman (Fred) Men when used in this context has no singular. Two men, one men! Got it, men? FN PS: About 'Wot', as you know Konklish is being influenced in an unhealthy manner these days by Angrezi. PPS: Pls visit the Konkani sayings page on Facebook. 2009/8/5 Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com: I was under the impression that the W was silent. Should it not be Ot man. Please do not shake my moorings any more bro! As it is I am so far away. venantius Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman (Fred) (del), Kitem re(h)? Wot men?
Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman (Fred)
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html A response from VM posted with his permission. Thanks Selma for your comment too. venantius -- Forwarded message -- From: V M vmin...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:35 PM Subject: ot man To: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com, Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com you gentlemen are talking past each other. the konglish of the north goan village is markedly different in inflection from the konglish of salcette. and venantius is bringing distinctive, good old bombay konglish to the table, where 'ot' is absolutely correct, 'dey' talk like 'dat' and 'dere's' no denying it. btw, men is a pan-goan thing, and does not filter to bombay (etc) at all. it took me years to transition to man from men after imbibing this lingo while studying at lourdes convent alongside rico. 'tanks for making me smile, VM
Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman (Fred)
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html This is insanely terrific Francis. I will have it embroidered on a shirt this coming Oct. For sure. Oh man, this is super. The thinking is deliciously lateral to say the least. Reminds one of a swaying coconut palm. The movement begins with the the first question and just takes of. I will never be able to pass a watch store in NY with this coming to mind. venantius From: Francis Rodrigues fcarodrig...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Convention in Oman (Fred) I used to collect classic tiatr slapstick exchanges in another lifetime. The one below (note: ott = what; ochh = watch!), kept me in stitches for days - think Jacint Vaz and Souza Ferrao doing an insanely energetic limbo-like twist, almost horizontal! A: 'Ott dis ?? B: 'Ochh ! A: 'Ott made in ? B: Swiss ! A: C'mon let's dance the twist ! Best, FR.
[Goanet] Goan Emigration - 3
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html World War II The victories must be seen as Indian to more than a small degree (in terms of valor, etc), but are seen as British, perhaps simply or largely because over 95% of the officers over the rank of Captain were British, and we fought for the British. This was not so of the ANZACS and the Canadians. Their victories were their own. Aming the battles the Indians/Gurkhas fought bravely were those of the Battle of Monte Cassino. the Gothic Line, and Operation Crusader. If interested I will email online links. World War I About 100,000 Indians perished in World War I. I have seen the graves. They died in Somme, and Givency in France, Ypres in Belgium. Also Gallipoli. At Bastille Day this year, More than six decades later, the Maratha Light Infantry conquered another frontier with thousands of Parisians watching as 93 of its personnel marched down, led by Captain Vivek Khanduri. http://www.samaylive.com/news/manmohan-singh-attends-bastille-day-parade/638634.html And the Sikhs: In the First battle of Ypres in Flanders in 1914 a platoon of Sikhs died fighting to the last man, who shot himself with his last cartridge rather than surrender. http://www.sikhspectrum.com/122002/soldiers_ww.htm Some Indians (Freies Indien) also fought for the Wehrmacht in World War II in the Battaglione Azad Hindoustan in 1942 an remained in Lancenau until two months of the Normandy invasion. http://www.feldgrau.com/ Click on Freiwellige. (Foreign Volunteers). Then on to the India link. The first major defeat that Japanese received was the hands of the Indians in the Battle of Kohima. venantius j pinto Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:59:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Goan Emigration -3 Hi Bosco, You have spoken as a?Canadian.?If you were a pukka Canadian, like my White Canadian brother-in-law who fought in WW II (landing on Normandy beach); he did not even know that Asian-Indians fought in the WW II, under the British flag (in North Africa, Italian front and Burma). After Whites?are appraised of the Indian statistics, the Whites in Canada, America and Europe give more credit to the Indian sacrifice; than what is barely?mentioned in the European history books on WW II. My beef with your point is: Indians should not have died in the Europe, Africa?or?defending British colonies?in other parts of the world. WW II was not an Asian subcontinent / Indian Ocean war.? I was surprised to see the Indian civilian causalities in the chart on WW II (1,500,000 to 2,500,000). Which theater of war were they victims? As Gabriel's post suggest, Indian sepoys were against?fighting Gandhi and his followers; even for their British pay-masters. Regards, GL
[Goanet] On this Sunday about GBA et al
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Thanks Marshall. I stand corrected. Please do post those articles. I feel that is one way we can look at ourselves, I mean this at the very least in the singular sense–to awaken the mystic in us, if you will. venantius From: Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] On this Sunday about GBA et al Venantius Pinto: It seems Sanjit knew what could happen to him. What is remarkable is that Chongkham Sanjit did not run. He looks dignified in the pictures. The State of Manipur (believe Manmohan Singh's constituency is in this state) Response: A slight correction Ven. Dr Manmohan Singh has been elected to the Rajya Sabha from Assam and not Manipur. However, the state of affairs in Manipur is truly sad. Human life is extremely cheap in India. I hope to post some articles on Manipur and other north-eastern states sometime. Regards, Marshall --
Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Some of those fitters (Goans) later left for Basra, Dharan, perhaps even Amman. http://www.flickr.com/photos/venantius/sets/72057594052672190/ And also Alcox Ashdown where there were Goans. I believe my father-in-law Sabino Castelino (Olaulim), was a draughtsmen, etc. venantius Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009 You got that right, Al.? And Churchill made it?to the North-West thanks to the chemin-de-fer, later the Bombay, Baroda and Central India, or BBCI Railroad, built by Parsee and Goan fitters trained by Jessup, Richardson Cruddas and Greaves Cotton.?? eric.
Re: [Goanet] Sub: Social Capital_a request for interaction
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Fred, I have passed this on. Our guys may not see it as a topic of relevance to their progress and futures—other than having benefited those who were not the chosen ones. But perhaps, an article befitting this topic and its relevance to Goans, in the larger media, even for the foreign media--after which it reverts back into our consciousness, or so I feel. We know the part about Word Bank and gloss on most ideas. But that structure as well as inherent power for us to relate to. True. venantius From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * fredericknoro...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Sub: Social Capital_a request for interaction 2009/8/1 Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com: Hello All, Are there any individuals who have worked or are currently working at/with the World Bank. or anyone who knows someone who would be willing to talk/dialogue/engage with a friend of mine on Social Capital. If yes, then do please email me Dear Venantius, I think this is a very crucial debate, and my delay in responding by no means suggests disinterest! As for the World Bank, there have been early Goanetters like Emmanuel da Silva who were part of the World Bank. (Marlon Menezes is, I think, in touch with him and he's on Facebook. If I recall right, he told me he had moved out of the World Bank since.) Of course, the World Bank has taken an age-old idea, given it a new gloss, and I don't think they're the only ones who have an interest in, or have built up, social capital.
[Goanet] Goa?s Magical Identity
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html True, they learnt to preserve and accomodate and change. For instance, they stopped pointing percy to travertine (pissing on the limestone exterior) on the Colisseum and other places which was common until even the 60s and 70s. venantius From: Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Goa?s Magical Identity To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org Message-ID: 7203d1730908030934x4dd37451t8727c1cb556ce...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Rome Paris are my most favourite, of the places that I have visited. They get most of the world?s tourists and the key attraction is their unique magical identity; developed over a long time; good times bad. They preserve the same, whilst accommodating Globalisation.
[Goanet] Bodies for Hire: The outsourcing of clinical trials, in HIMAL South Asia
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html People, this info is worth knowing: In November 2008, the Hindustan Times’ LiveMint broke the story of an infant in Bangalore having died after being administered a vaccine in a drugs trial. The Drugs Controller-General of India (DCGI), Dr Surinder Singh, halted the testing, reportedly the first time that the office of the DCGI had taken such action. The trial, for a new pneumonia vaccine, was being conducted by a Hyderabad-based contracted research organisation, GVK Biotech, for the US-based multinational Wyeth Pharmaceuticals. The infant had been recruited from St. John’s Medical College, a reputed private medical institution in Bangalore. Bodies for hire; The outsourcing of clinical trials August 2009 By: Sandhya Srinivasan Medical testing by Western countries is having a staggering impact on India, if only we were to care to pay attention. And the government’s own policies are encouraging this. http://himalmag.com/Bodies-for-hire;-The-outsourcing-of-clinical-trials_nw3213.html +++ venantius
Re: [Goanet] Lion Roars
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html In this case halal would be haraam, besides being the exact opposite, since the haraam zade's fall outside proscribed laws. So to your point they must be leading themselves to self- KATTAL as in a massacre; Hondas, Humvees, Hummers --- hopefully not Goa's hum sab (us too ?). Or could it be a kapaad?! venantius From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Lion Roars Could our brazen montris be leading themselves to the slaughter-house for a halal ???. floriano goasuraj 9890470896
[Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html The Danes (Denmark) had colonial possessions in India from1620-1845. That is 225 years. They did not do too shabbily beginning in Taramgambadi (on the Coromandel coast), later Tranquebar, and in Danish Trankebar. They were also in West Africa. venantius j pinto From: Valmiki Faleiro valmi...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-3: HERALD(Goa), Aug 2, 2009 G'bye Goa: Goan Emigration-3 By Valmiki Faleiro Imperial European powers generally did more bad than good in India. Between the Portuguese, Dutch, British and French, Britain profiteered the most. Portugal partly redeemed herself.
[Goanet] Consciousness Capitalism: Corporations Are Now After Our Very Beings
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html *DATELINE JUDEA, A.D. 26 -- Pontius Pilate to Jesus: Look you seem to be a nice Jewish kid from ... where izzit? ... Nazareth? But you gotta quit fuckin wid da moneychangers, cause I get a piece of dat action, see? So stop dickin' with 'em. And especially you gotta swear off this Son of God, King of the Jews shtick. Ain't but one king aroun jeer, and you're lookin' at him. So lay off that stuff, and we can put this whole thing behind us, you and me. On the other hand, I got a couple of thieves I'm gonna do in tomorrow; and you can join 'em if you want. Your call kid. Now whose yer daddy?* *I am the Son of God.* *Grab a cross on the way out.* ** * http://www.alternet.org/workplace/141668/consciousness_capitalism%3A_corporations_are_now_after_our_very_beings/ * *+* *venantius* **
[Goanet] On this Sunday about GBA et al
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html It seems Sanjit knew what could happen to him. What is remarkable is that Chongkham Sanjit did not run. He looks dignified in the pictures. The State of Manipur (believe Manmohan Singh's constituency is in this state) will never be able to say that he was evading arrest--if he had ran or was carrying a gun, etc. In Mumbai, I heard that either a gun would be slapped into the hand of the person to be eliminated (the encounters); pushed forward from the jeep and told to walk, or just told to walk/run without a weapon being slapped on the person and then shot. In this case as the commandos moved in Sanjit appeared outwardly calm. They did not even immediately close his eyelids! At least one must be granted that dignity. My earlier point about being apolitical (ref: GBA) is very much possible, but it is stilll the strategic responsibility of the activist group to lay out the pros and cons of political parties, as well as get them to spell out their specific positions. Not to abnegate their moral position. So when betrayal takes place, the people remember, and make attempts to amend their decision in the next round. This is work, awareness and a desire for change. The weak have to shape up is all one can really say. The next party may also betray, but then one hopes that the people are willing to vote afresh those who they believe are for the public interest. Btw, for my final year at JJ Applied Art, studied design for social issues--so for my final project researched torture, prisoners of conscience, women prisoners, etc. Also see this blog on Maipur: http://manipurcomments.com/ http://manipurcomments.com/indias-forgotten-war/ But extra-judicial executions are something only a few like Sanjit could perhaps factor into their lives and existence. venantius _ From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] On this Sunday about GBA et al To: goa...@goanet.org Message-ID: 493963b50908021217s1f09f882q7ec343958572f...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have read the articles posted by Soter, Rajan, Miguel, FN, FL, Venantius?and Clinton wrt GBA I have also read the glorious stuff posted by Samir Kelekar Then I read this article?? http://tiny.cc/WE1Vc and pray that Goa will never see this kind of stuff..ever The more I read such stuff, the more I agree with Rajan. jc --
Re: [Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Floriano, Its amazing to see people still learning the process after so many decades. One can rarely be apolitical, perhaps egalitarian and genuinely gracious. I cannot help but add here in humor: I may deeply desire and want to be apolitical, as in not resort to being uncouth and manipulative, (easy for mine to say) but announcing ones apolitical priorities would be asinine, when dealing with the vulpine and the porcine. Perhaps only the divine could prevent my being seen as an utter bovine, udder and all. Perhaps it was never a hoax, but just slipping down a scree patch off of the col.. venantius From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] GBA's hoax unfurls Dear Clinton, More than you may realise, I appreciate your thought process.
Re: [Goanet] Tributes to Olivinho Gomes
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html 1. He has a skull, but lacks a mind. 2. He has a skull, but his mind fails him. 3. He has a skull, but his mind is lacking. In such a context saying he has a head, implies he has a mind. He possibly could not have a head for nothing. As we hear one has a head for something, whatever that may be. venantius From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * fredericknoro...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Tributes to Olivinho Gomes How about: a head he has, but brains he lacks? Are we on the right track? What say, Sage Valmiki? FN 2009/7/31 Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Frederick FN Noronhaf...@goa-india.org wrote: Teotonio R. de Souza Olivinho had a sense of humour. I recall a pithy comment of his in Konknni: Taka toklo asa, punn tokli na! 2 minutes ago Frederick Noronha How would that get translated: He has a head, but no intelligence? Good one FN. A variation - he has a head but there's nothing inside. --
[Goanet] Sub: Social Capital_a request for interaction
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Hello All, Are there any individuals who have worked or are currently working at/with the World Bank. or anyone who knows someone who would be willing to talk/dialogue/engage with a friend of mine on Social Capital. If yes, then do please email me. On another note this may be a topic of interest Goanetters who could use it as a topic worth discussing. venantius j pinto ++ Hi Venantius, How have you been, I've been meaning to catch up with you. There's been a lot of new changes on my side. Obviously the baby is going to be a big change.. but apart from that, I have started reading into the theory of Social Capital and Game Theory. Both still very young disciplines, merely a few decades old.. I went back to Tokyo for my friend's wedding and in the process, decided that I had to do something about the way extreme individualism (false democracy and freedom) was causing a gradual degradation of societal cohesion. This can be seen by the change in the types of crimes committed. Crime with hatred and jealousy, or even revenge are rare and far in between. We see more crime caused by mental disorders and people who simply slip out of society, feeling like they just had to kill someone just because they could. The quality of these new types of crime, and traditional crime of stealing, revenge, etc, are quite different. Crime is merely a visual indicator. As societal norms degrade from generation to generation, the rippling effect digs deeper into the future, meaning, the effect becomes more and more chronic the longer we let is sink into the younger generations. Because societal ties and cohesion is becoming weak, lower generations learn to cope with less ties and togetherness, causing the cohesion level to drop further, from generation to generation. Schools cannot deal with this, simply because it is not only their job to do so. Parents do not do anything because they are mostly illusion ed by the sense of independence and freedom that comes from irresponsibility,solitude, and self inflicted segregation. The bottom line is that even from an informal analysis of 1 generation (parent and child), it is apparent that there is a sort of unidirectional change (degradation) happening, that will not fix itself for the foreseeable future. So a couple of my friends and I decided that we'll spend the next couple of years learning about this problem and prepare to create an organization whose mission is to fix this situation. Perhaps it will be an npo, hopefully a private consultancy for the government.. the format doesn't really matter, but it is apparent that the problem needs to addressed. I started researching into declining societal cohesion, and the study of social capital popped up. I was actually quite surprised because I did not know that most societies had this problem. US especially, since at least the white folks stick together in their comical homogeneity. But still, social capital has been declining since the 60's, and has won the attention of many researchers. Reading further into Social Capital, there seems to be several aspects that keep researchers interested. (and getting grants) One is economics. Social capital, and generalized trust go hand and hand, and they also happen to go hand in hand with a healthy economy. So there is monetary reason for the government / state to be interested in social capital. Next is civil activity. When there is a decline in social capital, there is a decline in civil activity, and vice versa. And lastly, social capital has great implications on the well being of people, and is an interest to people from health care. (people survive better with a strong net of trusted friends, etc) What I thought was some tiny problem I was glad to have found early on in Japan, is quite widespread and is being actively researched in the US, UK, Italy, and Scandinavia. So I'm quite glad I wasn't the only one who decided to act on the issue. Now the problem is where to go from here. My current goal is to get to know the practical implementations of social capital better. See it in action, see how it can be used. (especially at the government level) There are several groups that use social capital. First is Australia. Australia's Institution of Family Research has a group studying social
[Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Come on Dr. Barad, not you--but really who cares. Yet, you are still asking questions, although you say its tongue in cheek. So, more respect to you for putting it out in a clear and unabashed manner. Instead of others, allow me to answer. Venantius J Pinto(here capped to take full responsibility for what follows): I for sure do not and for sure do not understand why anyone stemming from an old way of life stemming in Sanathan Dharma would be bothered about salvation. I have been cursed enough of being batlela, he batle ghele, vihirinte pao khavun.. but it never bothered me. Maybe I AM JUST STUPID. Is it really hard to understand what Pakash SJ says. Does it need to be spelled out. It is so clear. And again does the salvation bit still bother people. It should only bother those who believe there is salvation and its possibility through the Church, and they resent that possibility. Others should not give a damn unless one is into dialectics and polemics.. There are enough denominations that are not RC and do not follow the Vatican. What is it to anyone? Let the Churches fight this battle out. Whoever benefits will benefit, and it will not be Indian Christians. Is that not clear? How much more bashing do they deserve. To your query, : It would be interesting to know who edactly as these churches, and what is the Vatican doing to counteract this threat. Seriously what is this? I suggest that people go meet churches that are not RC and make their own exacting lists. Those churches know where they stand in terms of their Christology. This way all are happy that they did their own work and with their own findings. It is always interesting to know stuff, but I have always believed in hard work. If I wanted to know anything or about anybody, I get to work. I believe this is the best way, so ones rewards are wholly earned by oneself. Those who read this clearly will realize that all I am talking about is that there are no shortcuts, unless the intentions are to find stuff to create more questioned and build further knowledge. Man freaking salvation?! venantius j pinto From: Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 4a6d61b4.14b48c0a.0b49.0...@mx.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fr Cedric Prakash As per information provided by Venantius Pinto, Fr Cedric Prakash has said: In the Catholic case, prior to the Second Vatican Council, the position was the there is no salvation outside the boundaries of the Catholic Church. But now our official position has undergone a major change. Salvation, we now believe, is indeed possible outside the Church. Does this mean that those who died prior to the Second Vatican Council were not saved? Of course, this is a tongue in cheek question. The important point is what was the reason for the major change? Fr Cedric also said: On the other hand, many right-wing evangelical and fundamentalist Protestant churches believe that non-Christians, no matter how pious or good, will be doomed to hell. It would be interesting to know who edactly as these churches, and what is the Vatican doing to counteract this threat. Best wishes. Dr UG Barad
Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Ashley, perhaps none will bother to do so, or have their own fears, or they are wrapping their heads around the though of doing something. Clinton Vaz did provide Velip's number. This would put the onus on Rama Velip to provide his tormentors number. On the other hand I had posted on Goanet saying that Sebastian Rodrigues could provide the number, in a sense asking him. No response. Perhaps it has to do with Sebastian's own reality, depite the fact that he posted this piece on Goanet, employing Secret Police in the headline as well maintaining it on his blog. Perhaps he knows something that we do not, and hence used Secret Police, and perhaps others have not responded for reasons including keeping away for other reasons including the sheer use of secret police and being associated with this discrepancy. Perhaps they too know something or see the issue differently. You rightly mention coffe tables and platitudes, and I believe I was perhaps the only one responding from afar other than you, so hope that my remarks were not taken to be dull or trite which is what we know a platitude to mean. And for that matter, I for one do not own a coffe table, but do try to do what I can as is apparent of my small offering to fight litigation at MandGoa/Gakuved. Right now I am also working on getting a new phone carrier, besides the fact that I hardly call India now, and that too only if I have to talk sense into people, or if I encounter someone new. Consideringg all that I do (ongoing studies and preparing for a show in Mumbai) and as my side settles down a bit, I will talk at some point to Mr. Velip, but may or may not post that conversation. A bit about myself: In India, I majored in design/illustration for social issues, after studying the customary advertising (Applied Art), and carried it to the U.S. (studying Communication Design/ ComputerGraphics) choosing to work in Production as opposed to designing for advertising, although I do this in an advertising agnecy. This is inspite of being very qualified and in my own way I stayed the course of my convictions, and still work on soically-conscious projects including having designed logos for PWESCR, Delhi and NYTWA, New York, HIMAL South Asia, etc. I would have been in India if my 3rd class (for whatever reasons) while at JJ, after earlier State Ranks, was overlooked at IDC, IIT Powai in whose Design Aptitude Exam I had the second highest percentile (by only appearing for one out of two sections on account of heavy rains, we went off the road--I had to say that) in the nation, but I was denied an interview. Hem mhojem jivit. Anyway, some of us have already paid some very interesting prices bro, and the bit above is the least of it. But over the years I have learnt a lot about Goans on Goanet (NOT directed at you). venantius j pinto Message: 3 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:24:45 +0530 From: Ashley D'silva ashleyivordsi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Ref : Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Nobody has bothered to reply . Why is it so? Are Goa-netters really interested in solving the problem or is it a coffee table discussion to show that someone somewhere in the world is really interested in the welfare of Goa? Platitudes are great but they don't serve the purpose..??? Ashley -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Samir Kelekar Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 11:50 AM To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Ashley writes: Dear Goanetters, It's a shame that Rama Velip of Colamb village is being harassed. Can Goanet do something for him. Ashley Can we have Phaldessai's number ? We can definitely call him and ask him under what law is he making midnight calls ? If ten people call, it will surely have an effect. samir --
[Goanet] Goa Reformat
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Hi Goa Reformat, Who are you and what is Goa Reformat? Give us a sense. Why are the pieces never signed with a name? Do ignore if this is a bother. venantius j pinto
Re: [Goanet] Goa Reformat
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Cool. vjp Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa Reformat Venantius, Reformat gets activated when the posts from Goanetters are improperly formatted, contain large re-posts of the earlier message, and is otherwise improper for circulation via the plain-text Goanet list. It is part of the Goanet Admin activity.
[Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html The follow response by Cedric Prakask SJ in an 2004 interview, may be helpful, considering that salvation (or rather its denial) often appears to be such a huge issue. It also shows that in many ways the church is in a sense an adolescent, grow.ing slowly but one could also see it as some willingness to grow. In fact a priest mentioned this to me about three decades ago. Lets hope that process stays on track. The link to the whole interview from the India Committee of the Netherlandshttp://www.indianet.nl/english.html/ Landelijke India Werkgroep http://www.indianet.nl/index.html site, which I presume has been read by many on Goanet is below. Btw, India should also consider having XYZCountry Committee of India for various countries. Perhaps a way of getting into the games, since I often hear it referred as such -- a game (Baba, toh soglo khell). Everything is a game! from: http://www.indianet.nl/iv040629.html *Q: But what about the exclusive truth claims of different religions? Some of them imagine salvation or heaven to be the sole preserve of their adherents. How do you think this issue can be addressed in the course of dialoguing between adherents of different religions?* A: In the Catholic case, prior to the Second Vatican Council, the position was the there is no salvation outside the boundaries of the Catholic Church. But now our official position has undergone a major change. Salvation, we now believe, is indeed possible outside the Church. You don’t have to be a Christian in order to be saved. A good Muslim or a good Buddhist or a good Hindu can also be saved. On the other hand, many right-wing evangelical and fundamentalist Protestant churches believe that non-Christians, no matter how pious or good, will be doomed to hell. Naturally, this constitutes a major barrier in any inter-faith dialogue venture. +++ venantius
[Goanet] Death in the family
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html I have always found those terms very interesting: toh bhair podlo and toh piddear zalo. On esggesting that he is no longer with us as in now inhabiting another space or plane, and the other suggesting corruption of the mortal body. Also, those days I think are quite gone where women would lament and be in need of aliment (beverages) to replensh themselves. Doubt whether anyone below 55 bawl as much these days. But this too has to do with levels of sophistication, simplicity and fears of any given family. On another note, my Dad always took something that was the favorite (often an addiction) of the person who has passed away and kept it a little ahead of the path to the grave. For his sister, my aunt Cecilia it was two packets of Charminar, since she was a two pack a day Charminar girl. Cecilia (Cissy) was one ballsy gal who never got married, since her Dad found the guy she fell in love with too hip or something. In fact they both did not get married. For others it was a bottle of liquor or something else. I think for his little niece it was biscuits or something. He did these things in his own quite way. The same for Hindus, and others but these woudl be given away usually to beggars, and others. Here is a book I did on my Dad's funeral. Its called, Ode to a Fragment of Silence. It reads from right to left. I could not attend the funeral whcih was ten years ago. Click on All Sizes and then Original. http://www.flickr.com/photos/venantius/3080894258/in/set-72157607433652234/ Link to Oriiginal: http://www.flickr.com/photos/venantius/3080894258/sizes/o/in/set-72157607433652234/ venantius j pinto Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:45:30 +0530 From: Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Death in the family When a member of a family expires (in konkani toh bhair podlo or toh piddear zalo ) it is undoubtedly a very sad occasion not only for the other family members and for the neighbourhood as well. Amid general sadness there is a touch of humour. I believe our tiatrists draw a lot of inspiration from it. In poor families when a husband dies. his wife takes to ''verse galta''. when surrounded by other women from neighbourhood. The widow simply pours out all her emotions in a sing song session often in rhyme.A lot of secrets come out much to the astonishment of other women present. But the best I have ever heard was one from a widow from somewhat elite background who wailed over the dead body of her husband husband thus : ''Now that you are gone, Tony Joe darling who will open whisky bottles ? ''
[Goanet] SBA submits memorandum to Parrikar
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs. Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Marshall, I am aware of Thapar's reputation. My point that all historians have their biases (as do we) was summed well by you in that history not being akin to any exact science. I would like it to stay so that individuals may have the opportunity to refute, as for instance SN Balagangadhara when he takes on western scholars using the same dialectics, in The Heathen in His Blindness. It is also a point that suggests to people the humanness of their savants or their beloved academics, as well their adversaries, the righteous idignant or bespatters--and to a degree takes away the omniscience of our beliefs, however deep the convictions of both the researcher, and their peers in scholarship or community. Furthermore, I am wont to continue in my belief that it is possible to learn to see through many different forms and be able to respect the gleam in ones eyes as one of studied acceptance of ones being. venantius j pinto From: Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] SBA submits memorandum to Parrikar To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: ac8096120907240916v26f2fa8dqa01aa4d9026f...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Venantius J Pinto: Hi Vinay,If this is true than I am with you. Please look further into this. I often wonder as to who really writes these books. Do the advisers write the books,do they have a say in the final draft, etc. etc. Besides that, people likeThapar, no matter what are pretty together, as as any historian have biases. Response: Ven, Romila Thapar is a reputed and noted historian with a long track record. Her work has been peer reviewed and critiqued nationally as well as internationally. History as everyone knows is not an exact science or mathematics. If any other historian has an alternative viewpoint, all he needs to do is conduct research and present his version supported by data and documentation and submit it to peer review nationally and internationally. This, however, the hindutva brigade is unable to do. For it means hard work and being subject to critical scrutiny. Hence they resort to labeling and trying to destroy the credibility of the author. In fact, the hindutva brigade has been in the forefront of re-writing (inventing) history to fit into their ideology and perspective. You may refer to the following articles. In Gujarat, social studies books are literally injecting venom into the minds on innocent children. The infamous VCD in Goa by the then BJP government was yet another attempt to inject poison in the minds of children and create communal disharmony. http://www.ashanet.org/projects/project-view.php?p=483 http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?214547 http://www.thehindu.com/2004/06/23/stories/2004062301721000.htm http://www.hindu.com/2007/02/14/stories/2007021415630400.htm http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1523/15230140.htm http://www.sacw.net/HateEducation/MridulaAditya122001.html http://www.sacw.net/HateEducation/index.html I would ask Vinay to name any hindutva oriented 'historian' who has done real research, published papers and been critically reviewed by peers internationally. Regards, Marshall --
[Goanet] Disappearance of parasvarna in Indian languages (from Save My Language site)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs. Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Last year I had come across this interesting piece on the rule of paras.warNa on the Konknni--Save my langage site http://konkani.savemylanguage.org/http://konkani.savemylanguage.org/2008/05/disappearance-of-parasvarna-in-indian.html. The lack of application of this rule (also through basic na as the nasal standard across all consonant classes) over time has led to a change in the manner we pronounce words in various Indian languages, by disregarding the highly elegant system of connecting nasal sounds to the various classes of consonants in the alphasyllabary--guttural (velar), palatal, dental, cerebral (retroflex) and labial. Remember the various na's and the ma at the end of each class? This rule does not apply to certain consonants like the sonorants, sibilants, fricatives (ya, ra, la va, the three sa's, ha and la). Anyway, in terms of an analogy, I felt that it was like being short changed in employing a vocabulary of marks (lines, arcs, hatching--single or cross, scratches, squiggles, stippling, building tonal densities in various ways, erasures), on account of an inability to apply certain kinds of pressure finessed over time (including cellular and muscular memories)while making those marks (accents). The point being that one loses a range of expression. I presume the same would be the case for music. Excerpt below from, Disappearance of parasvarna in Indian languages, by Dr. S M Tadkodkar http://konkani.savemylanguage.org/2008/05/disappearance-of-parasvarna-in-indian.html Posted by Roshan Pai Ramesh + Today, most of the 'progressive' people have forgotten about the rule of paras.warNa (परसवर्ण). It was because of hegemony of the Hindi, the English language adopted the pronunciations from the former during its colonial rule. In course of time, it compelled clandestinely all the Indian languages to follow a universal rule, which was acceptable to both Hindi and English. In the bargain the pronunciation of 'ऋ' (ru) in the Indian languages has become 'ri'. e. g. 'अम्रित= nectar of immortality This immortality has been snatched away from the Indianness. The structure of Indian languages has been in doldrums, historical pride of having identity and integrity has been dwindling. Do look up the Save My Language blog for other Konknni realated gems. venantius j pinto
[Goanet] SBA submits memorandum to Parrikar
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs. Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Hi Vinay, If this is true than I am with you. Please look further into this. I often wonder as to who really writes these books. Do the advisers write the books, do they have a say in the final draft, etc. etc. Besides that, people like Thapar, no matter what are pretty together, as as any historian have biases. Almost all do, unless one is talking about Hobsbawn and perhaps he does too. Anyway, so what really happened here? Also in our history books we barely have, talk about the stalwarts, Lal, Bal, Pal; Bhagat Singh, Rajguru, Sukdeo, Baga Jatin, Bose, Chandrasekar Azad, Chittaranjan Das, Maulana Azad, Savarkar, etc. There is place for all of them and yes Savarkar too. Let us not even bring in the Goans here. I feel that year ago we made pacts with the wrong forces and wrong energies. I also find it hard to believe that politicians are not aware what is coming down the pike. I would think they have inside sources, but it always appears as though they are fighting rear guard skirmishes?! And in that sense defending interests? Or do they just rub their hands and stomach's in glee waiting to see how the newest scandal may benefit them. Indian planners, politicians, and assorted pricks (of all genders), etc have perhaps done their utmost to not allow independent thought to sprout in our people. So Shivaji and his sensibility is out. Anything radical is not considered. What is considered is that we are a very accepting people, and so forth. They do not want to teach or aid in the promulgation of any strain of social change. To do so one has to be motivated via other means. The reason we have so few true activists, and strong willed individuals is by the time they are of appreciable age, they seek solace in things and ideas far from what aggrieves you, me and many others. Awareness is one small damru or a big nagara; and even a pakhawaj--since this is the way the Delhi sees things. The pakhawaj has the bellow of a bull, and bull-headed they are at the Center. So we have to snap our damrus and beat our nagaras. venantius j pinto From: Vinay Natekar vinaynate...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] SBA submits memorandum to Parrikar To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 264254.67915...@web63508.mail.re1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I have read my son?s History text book and was shocked to note that out of the 154 pages of the history text book of Std. VII, most of the pages have been dedicated to the information on barbaric invaders? like Babar, Akbar etc ?glorifying their rule in India, ?whereas the history of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj who fought the foreign Mughal aggressors and established self rule state has been concluded in just 4 lines without having his single picture. This proves ?that Shivaji ?is relegated to an insignificant position in the history book. This distortion of History is an insult to our great heritage and iconic personalities. NCERT ?which worked ?under pressure from the anti hindu leftist and the pseudo secular UPA Government? whose HRD Ministry was headed by spineless ?dim-witted Arjun Singh ?brought ?back the history books discontinued by the NDA government in 2002.? In his fervor to please his masters, the HRD Minister had destroyed the autonomy of NCERT and ?threw every academic principle to ?trench. The ?blatant ?distortions of the facts? in these text books are ?authored by? communal ??historians like ?R.S. Sharma, ?Romila Thapar, Bipin Chandra, Arjun Dev and Satish Chandra etc who are proven to have allegiance to the Marxist. No ?civilised country ?will allow? it?s democratically evolved policies to be destroyed at the whims of a handful of politicians involved in appeasement to certain communities. The Communists who were supporting the previous tenure of UPA succeeded ??with pushing their twisted ideology down the throats of India?s Generation Next. Vinay ? SBA submits memorandum to Parrikar Wed Jul 22 08:26:29 PDT 2009 -- Samir UmaryeBICHOLIM JULY 22: The Shiksha Bachao Abhiyaan (SBA) - Goa on Tuesdaysubmitted a memorandum to theopposition leader, Manohar Parrikar seeking support for their movementfor saving Indian History through the school textbooks. It may be recalled that the SBA
[Goanet] I'd be a swine...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs. Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Hi all, Yesterday I received my copy of Vavraddeancho Ixtt. No clue why the past few copies have being mailed from Singapore, but am happy that since then the copy comes in a wrap, and is not torn (one was in bad shape), ripped, scuffed etc. Anyway, Alexyz's editorial cartoon under the caption Garbage Flue or Money Flu, is most interesting. His singular Goan female character (the bunhead, with lips that would wrap around a head, yeaah) is accosting the Goa CM. She says, Diggu! Swine Flu? His response, ...With all the garbage in Panjim...I'd be a swine...not to be cautious! Someone buy that piece. Love the idea of those words giving thought to the CMs political stratagems emanating 'neath his diadem. Swines in deeds, swines indeed. The subhead (from the editors) is: Padd korpacho Flu vo manddavoll haddpacho Flu? Moddfodd korpacho Flu vo ghoddpacho Flu? And non Konknni speakers learn those lines--use them to decry (read RIDICULE) topics. venantius
[Goanet] Mario Menezes at Khell Tiatr Festival created a huge hungama
Dear JoeGoaUk, It is really good to read your reconsidered perspective. This is truly the way to do things. Earlier, I wanted to say something but held off. You note now allows me to put up a few points. We have to develop better forms of interaction. No videographer/photographer can simply walk in and shoot. A procedure has to be set up—this could be contacting the organisers and with the permission of the director. In such cases the cameramen are given a specific spot. They are escorted to a seat if at all or led to a place, which the director has vetted earlier of course making sire that the work will be seen in good light (both meanings). The camera does not obstruct the audience, including even in such cases as a non-paying audience. Some cases are different, and one would make it a point to know that. The INTEGRITY of the performance has to be maintained. OR, they ARE ONLY allowed to shoot a dress rehearsal. Period. No arguments. No creativity jive and all that. Also, no one should consider telling anyone to stop when one is irate for valid reasons, including perhaps for a play gone poorly. His or her world is falling apart AROUND HIM, and this MEDIA PERSON is the catalyst causing the unsettling. I have noticed this too often in India. This is a form of emasculation that our whole nation thrives in. There are parallels to this in other areas. All that convenient, Zalean te zalem, atan kit(em) korya. Sodd tem. Asundi. The worst is maguir pouvya. Also, certain words should never even be allowed to creep into our lexicon in phrasing an incident, since they distort sensibilities and convey an inappropriate sense of what happened. In those cases apologies must be made to the individual. Our folks tend to persist towards uncouth behavior, and this will continue in simultaneity with the realization as it slowly dawns upon them, that there is a certain elegance of the spirit in graciousness--at which point things will begin changing. One cannot bang sense into an entire collective unconscious overnight as names of streets are changed overnight, with the attendant expectation that people will let go of their pasts, with their joys and anguishes. Having said that there are times we say things, as in when I for instance, appear harsh on Goanet. Those case are specific and never churlish, or banal, but strive to address certain malaise's in our midst in no uncertain terms. venantius From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Mario Menezes at Khell Tiatr Festival created a huge hungama Thanks FN, i agree with you. ? Media etc should stay away from?such things?particularly when they know 'they don't like it'. And hence I had also coppied to goaJourno ? About the 'Flop tiatr' it is a talk of the town, I guess he himself admitted? by 'abandoning it' half way. I guess, I ?brought it up here at wrong time (as a part of my resentment over his behaviour?), which was wrong. ? Note: Cyberspace or net was not the issue he raised at the time, he was more specific on local media or TV channel and?infact,?he?mentioned HCN showing?his tiatr footage?as part of musical show. However, media could mean also cyberspace ? The media man was also partly to be blamed. He kept on shooting despite the fact he was approached twice by MM's messenger requesting him to stop ? thanks again ? joego...@yahoo.co.uk
[Goanet] Goanet] FEATURE: Awaiting Trindade's homecoming (Pamela D'Mello, The Asian Age)
Thanks Pamela D'Mello, for posting your feature piece. It would have been great to hear from Luso Goans on the exhibition. Mas… tal é vida, e tempo. Catalog available at: http://www.foriente.pt/106/catalogo-de-exposicoes.htm Um pintor de Goa. A tiny video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewaIV1oWep0 From Portuguese media: http://www.destak.pt/artigos.php?art=34545 http://www.musicatotal.net/noticias/ver.php?id=6079 venantius Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:41:44 +0530 From: Goanet News news.goa...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] FEATURE: Awaiting Trindade's homecoming (Pamela D'Mello,The Asian Age) A w a i t i n g T r i n d a d e ' s h o m e c o m i n g FOCUS/Pamela D'Mello dmello.pam...@gmail.com The nostalgia and deep sentiment he had towards his native land and its people come through in a 1930 oil, 'Goan Fishing Boats at Low Tide'. [The Asian Age] ---
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
It woudl be good if Sebastian Rodrigues or someone come back/ provide this information. Hopefully this will test the resolve of concerned Goans in Goa and outside. venantius j pinto From: Ashley D'silva ashleyivordsi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Dear Goa' netters, It would help if all en- mass email the concerned police dept and its head, Goa CM and the Home Ministry, collector etc and swamp them with emails that will jam the whole line forcing them to take cognizance action against this harassment to Rama.
[Goanet] Nunchaku=Nunchuck and also Hobson-Jobson
From Ben Zimmer is executive producer of the Visual Thesaurus and editor of the online magazine.: The way that *nunchaku* got reshaped as *nunchuck*/*numchuck* is reminiscent of the Hobson-Jobsonisms that I discussed in this space last monthhttp://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/wordroutes/1874/. *Hobson-Jobson*, you may recall, was the title of an Anglo-Indian dictionary that has come to refer to the process of adapting foreign words into the sound system of another language. So, for instance, the Malay word *amok*run around violently got Anglicized as *amuck http://www.visualthesaurus.com/?word=amuck*, perhaps under the influence of the English verb *muck (up)http://www.visualthesaurus.com/?word=muck up *, make a mess of, destroy or ruin. And if you run amuck with a nunchuck, well, you're pressing your luck. http://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/wordroutes/1918/ ++ Also at the aboove url, came across a reference to Hobson-Jobson: A Glossary of Anglo-Indian words and phrases, and of Kindred Terms, Etymological, Historical, Geographic and Disursive, by Henry Yule and A. C. Burnell.New Edition Edited by William Crooke. Btw, those who have never seen Hobson-Jobson should look it up sometime. Interesting words abound -- like Hoogly (Hugli, from the Bengali word hogla for tall grass (Typha angustifolia), Hooghley, Hoogly; Chatanati, Chuttanutty, now Calcutta; or for that matter the same word -- Shahbunder, Xabandar, Sabaio, Sabandar, Sabindar, Sha-bunder, Shawbunder, Shabander, Sjahbander, Shawbandaar, Shebander, Shahbendar, meaning Harbour-Master; The story Behind Hobson-Jobson at: http://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/wordroutes/1874/ (excerpt) *amok* (run around violently) *a-muck*http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.0:1:49.hobson *bangsal* (shed, warehouse) *bankshall*http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.0:1:140.hobson *gadis* (young woman) *goddess*http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.1:1:29.hobson *gudang* (warehouse) *godown*http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.1:1:30.hobson *jung *(Chinese ship) *junk*http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.1:1:280.hobson *kampung* (quarter, residential area) *compound*http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.0:1:603.hobson *kris* (Javanese dagger) *crease*http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.0:1:678.hobson *padi* (rice plant) *paddy*http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.1:1:727.hobson *perahu* (boat) *prow*http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.1:1:884.hobson *rotan* (rattan) *rattan*http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.1:1:940.hobson ++ venantius j pinto
[Goanet] One a Day is Good for You–Apples and Orgasms!
Below, the British National Health Service emphasizes the importance of safe sex and education. Also see attached 1960s SexEd video. One a Day is Good for You–Apples and Orgasms! http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/141326/one_a_day_is_good_for_you%E2%80%93apples_and_orgasms%21/ + venantius j pinto
[Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
Samir's idea is sharp and implementable--and should be appreciated. Thanks Samir. Perhaps also the address of the Police Station. Even if letters were written and cced to the media, the chances of embarassing or rendering human -- Shri Phaldessai is quite high. ++ It is disheartening, whenever I am in Goa, hearing people talk big things about change and koko meme--very little is said in terms of doing ones mite--that little bit that could make one a better person. NOTE: I am largely talking of those of us who live abroad. If you need all your money for yourself, at least consider a letter, a yell, a scream, a walk through Panjim with a placard saying something even as simple as Where is the Goa I remember. I know, I know, hin kalpana mhojim mhojem burgeponn dakonn dita. Zait ghodek mhojem nadanponn-ui. Bamtya bhaxen jivit jiyet tor tumchi poristhti dukhest and paist zateli. Nissonton zatolem amcher nhoim zalear, amchya kuliyer. Rama Velip amcho bhav ani Goycho laguullo (rooted in Goa), ani techer bhiyankul dabhav ghatla to amchea dollea mukhar dovorya; kann diuya. Niyal korat--patkan Pai-chim, Azo (Xapaichim)/Ponzo/ Khapor Ponzo, veglea veglea purvozanchim, tim maguir khavunk yetelim. (basically, sins of our fathers). ++ venantius j pinto Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 300528.21269...@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ashley writes: Dear Goanetters, It's a shame that Rama Velip of Colamb village is being harassed. Can Goanet do something for him. Ashley Can we have Phaldessai's number ? We can definitely call him and ask him under what law is he making midnight calls ? If ten people call, it will surely have an effect. samir --
[Goanet] (no subject)
Well put Bernice. There are relationships and relationships. They are homosexuals who do not sleep with each other or anyone else. I mean sleep in the sense of penetration. Period. I point this out only because sleep has such divergent connotation and denotations. But they live with each other, share meals, hug each other, take care of each other when sick, look good for each other--under one roof, or live separately. I have friends who are scholars and they are married (as in husband and wife) but do not sleep in the same bed. They are heterosexuals. They are not retarded or anything. Perhaps they are old royalty. : ) Perhaps asexual if that matters. Other than that, all married people do not have sex. Some sustain themselves not through sex, nor any form towards procreation in terms of rearing progeny an having some extra. Their minds move differently. They see things others do not. They are not better, only a little different. Then there are the grand male (I am talking of older pedigreed Goans) beings who think they are so liberal but make one sick just seeing them exfoliate upon the other sex. Weddings are their haunts as I believe are foreign jaunts. Some are totally grounded in their being. Some do not take the vow to be faithful to each other (and that too in a Catholic marriage), but stay the course. Note that the above does not in any form imply that they are seeking gratification elsewhere, and if that happens the house does not collapse. And if it happened its not a balls-to-the-wall scenario, as in craving--must have it. Do not ask why. Its pointless to get into that. Not in India per se, but many of us have to come up to snuff with the idea of relationships, in whatever form marriage takes. I also believe that many things we do are choices. One of my colleagues told me last Friday, she believe her 81 year old grandmother is having a grand time. I do not doubt her at all. But imagine what our people would think if their mothers wanted to have some, at say even 70. How about with a much younger guy. Besides the other implications, would they consider the younger person perverted, or would they just be happy for their mothers, or would they feel their mother was cheating on their dead father, or that the man was after the family khazana. Sexuality is a moving constant and there is a constancy to its call. It tell a bit about someone but never much, although people pride themselves on being able to do so. I knew men who had taken the trouble to have sex with eunuchs. One just before he got married. But if one were to suggest that it could be a form of homosexuality, bisexuality or even poly sexuality, they would split someones skull. I believe these are things in their past, unless they are being moved differently now. What happens inside bedrooms is something that should least concern us, unless we wish to emulate and if so there are books, and dictionaries. venantius j pinto Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:39:51 +0530 (IST) From: Bernice Pereira bernicepere...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] (no subject) I remember we had a pair of girls in a hostel in Goa where I was, as a very young girl.? Every night? they'd land up on the same bed.? They were a butt of a lot of jokes. ? ? For that matter, how many men and women are living absolutely straight lives (i.e. one man one woman). Is not promiscuity bad? Isn't that abnormal but yet accepted.? In fact these are the very people who are idolized by the masses because of their money and glamour.Nobody thinks of the poor innocent children who are victims of these so called marriages.. ? ? What a false world we live in!!! ? ? ? ? ? ?
[Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
Some thoughts. If it possible to get an OP, Order of Protection against the police. I mean has it ever been done. Besides emotional torture, what do midnight calls amount to? An ample opportunity for possible liquidation?! It also reminded me that almost no analysis has been done of anything related to mining and its various caveats, as sporadic missives from the fields appear on Goanet--by Goanetters. I could be wrong, but even if I could be, it still implies that unlike other issues this one needs a lot of processing before cogent or however incoherent thoughts make it into cyberspace. Also have not seen much by way of writers or essayists, however well meaning their toughts on matters and ills relating to society; aside from mining, with its pros and cons as it plays out in Goa. I am not talking here of journalists, or correspondents in the journalistic sense, nor of activists, or bloggers (who are not exactly slacking). I am talking of corespondence from writers, artists, poets, doctors, professionals, home-makers, and other as correspondents. Remember the word correspondent as it was used in the past. ++ The dessais--Phaldessais--sounds more like fruit parasites, who took a shine to ore. ++ venantius Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:03:18 +0530 From: sebastian Rodrigues sebydesio...@hotmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Over the past two weeks Rama Velip of Colamb village in Sanguem Taluka is being harassed by Goa's Secret Police - CID (Criminal Intelligence Department). Secret police has been visiting the house of Rama Velip and seeks to know about future plans of anti-mining movement. There are phone calls made at Rama Velip's residence at very odd hours in the night and ask him to report to Quepem Police Station. Rama Velip is heading Gawda, Kunbi, Velip and Dhangar Fedearation (GAKUVED) unit under the jurisdiction of Rivona Panchayat and in the middle of resistance movement against mining in Sanguem and Quepem Talukas of South Goa. CID officer who is involved in harassing Rama Velip is one Premanand Phaldessai attached to Quepem Police Station. He hails from Sanvordem and according to the sources his family members are involved in business of transportation of Iron Ore through ownership of trucks. _ Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. Add Now! http://profile.live.com/webactivities/?mkt=en-in --
[Goanet] Influx of migrants manageable, says ex-union home secy
This Dhirendra Singh, the former union home secretary and the member of the Commission on the State-Centre Relations New Delhi is being totally RETARDED and a DICKHEAD. Freaking PAMPREL. But ours are better mind you one and all. Who makes these guys, and let us not forget their feminine counterparts. Perhaps he was involved in the design of some white paper, and would like Goans to see things differently. Nahin ji, woh saab sirf garb hain. Hum gharibi hatane ki koshish kar rahe hain na. Aum Goa humara dharm aur karm ka pathshala hai. That's all. There I said it. Now Goans should say it too. There are many words for this nature of immigration, but I will not go there yet--and the poor need jobs, yes thats true but not as it is made out to be, predicated and mendicated. venantius Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:33:04 +0400 From: Freddy Fernandes ffernandes@emaar.ae Subject: [Goanet] Influx of migrants manageable,says ex-union home secy Influx Of Migrants Manageable,Says Ex-union Home Sec I am shocked at the statement made by Mr. Dhirendra Singh, the former union home secretary and the member of the Commission on the State-Centre Relations New Delhi, that the migrant issue in Goa was not very serious and is manageable, the only problem Mr. Singh sees, is that, the migrants are snatching low paying jobs and the higher level jobs are not taken up by them. Does Mr. Singh know the realities prevailing in Goa ? How many of the Engineers in the PWD, Electricity and Agriculture department are migrants ? Does Mr. Singh have a clue to that ? Most of the top government jobs are sold to the outsiders by our corrupt politicians. That is one reason that our employment exchange is kept in shambles and no transparency what so ever. It's not just the low paying jobs that are taken up by the migrants but a chunk of the elite jobs as well, employment is one facility that's been affected by migrants in a big way, but nothing compared to the burden it's causing on our natural resources and our ecology.
Re: [Goanet] May be Rest in Darkness- War Criminal
Mervyn, No doubt about it that McNamara was a very, very sharp cat. The kind of person who would probably be good in the present time, however bizarrely and brutally (I know war is brutal) he conducted the Vietnam war. My culling the excerpt from Andre Breton, the Surrealist alludes to McNamaras's responses as time wore on, which became more and more surreal. Albeit an extrapolation yet helps in a way to see such minds. That's it in a nutshell. Basically, have decided that if I say something then I may at least make analogies as seen through the lens of my visual background. Otherwise its time for me to move on. Nothing against anyone really in this convesation. So nothing against Mario, Marlon and you Mervyn. Goanet can be a good learning and sharing forum but the tone continually veers towards one upmanship and often forced analysis. I do not have interest in everything, nor have the inclination; in any case, very little help is ever forthcoming even on genuine questions, and certainly no substantive /conclusive behind the doors (outside Goanet) interaction. I have no qualms about appearing abusive against the powers that be, although none of it is directed at Goanetters, besides my occasional irate manner. It would be different if politicians and those in power were interacting on Goanet. No fear then, from afar or at close quarters. As one involved in artistic labor, I try my best to bring a perspective concerned with other ways of seeing (see Berger), having not seen Goan artists voice pretty much anything on this forum, other than the cartoonist Alexyz's through his weekly offerings which appear in the media. And as you know in the end its about none of them at all. Its how we learn to see or the path we walk on. Hope this bit of babbling meant something. venantius From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: [Goanet] May be Rest in Darkness- War Criminal Venantius Pinto wrote: Let him use in spite of all prohibition, the avenging weapon of the idea against the bestiality of all beings and of all things; and then one day when he is vanquished--but vanquished only if the world is world--let him greet the firing of the sad guns as if it were a salute. (OC I, 828) (from Andr? Breton by Mary Ann Cavs, in chapter 1924-53: Manifestos. published by Twayne). ? Venantius, I do not know what?the fuss is about. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Fog_of_War (del) Mervyn1650Lobo
[Goanet] : Re: Canecos
I was in error. Canecos are more mug or stein-like. Not even the remotest resemblance to a cask—even a miniature one. venantius From: Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Canecos Hi Monica, Thanks for the explanations. I remember those jars (sort of like a cask if I am not mistaken), having seen them as a child.
[Goanet] Homosexuality is not a virtue
Post-Macaulay, Gyles Brandreth (in Sunday Telegraph, November 1999): I had lunch with Quentin Crisp the week before he died. We met in the Bowery Bar in Manhattan on the Lower East Side for crab cakes and whisky, and for two hours I sat in wonder at an old man with mauve hair, the self-styled Stately Homo of England. +++ (appearing as a lead-in to chp 14 (Fingerprints), in Mauve by Simon Garfield. Mauve is the story of William Perkins who discovered the color mauve (mauveine, Perkins mauve --aniline dyes) and with that discovery changed the world of color and furthermore the understanding of chemistry in relationship to disease, and unbelievably much more. Also a small link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauveine PS: Excuse the tangent. This is why I may never earn a Ph.D. (never climb that PahaD(dongor). + venantius From: Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Homosexuality is not a virtue Dated: 05 Jul 2009 http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/print.aspx?artid=|h1DXfUW5DY= Homosexuals displaced the Economic Survey for the year 2008-09 from the headlines of most media on July 3, 2009. Historic bench mark; Sexual equality; Landmark Judgement. This is how the media had headlined the Delhi High Court judgment holding Sec 377 of the Indian Penal Code, which makes homosexual acts offences in law, partly unconstitutional. Sec 377 of the Indian Penal Code was not Manu's code. It was Macaulay's.
Re: [Goanet] Canecos
Hi Monica, Thanks for the explanations. I remember those jars (sort of like a cask if I am not mistaken), having seen them as a child. I should think of making an installation with such pieces and drawings. Or for that matter other Goan artists too. venantius j pinto From: Monica Reis monicaer...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Canecos For the first time I have to say some words in this group. As an expression, *cum caneco (com um caneco)* can be used to express verbal attitude to a sudden event or felling, perhaps equal to the expression used in English I'll be dammed Curiosity: Canarim can also be used in Brazil to describe a a tall man with long legs! Hope I was clear -- M?nica Reis ?? Indo-Portuguese Art Research Project
[Goanet] Goa's abysmal performance in Lusofonia Games
Dear Bernado, I have often wondered why on many teams the goalkeeper appears to be the better player. And on many strong teams also one of the older players. Dino Zoff of Italy comes to mind, and in that World Cup also the Irish goalkeeper. venantius From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Goa's abysmal performance in Lusofonia Games The 2nd Lusofonia games in Lisboa... The only good thing was that they kicked the ball all over the place when attacked by the opposition in other words there were 8 defenders plus the goalkeeper (probably? was the best player for the Goa team).
[Goanet] May be Rest in Darkness_McNamara: From the Tokyo Firestorm to the World Bank
Excuse error in title earlier. The correction is noted: May He Rest in Darkness_McNamara: From the Tokyo Firestorm to the World Bank. + Notions forming the credible and the incredible are equally radiable or eludible. Accordingly; time, place and person render these adustible, electable, or admirable. Moving on, let us hear a paragraph from Andre Breton's Second Manifesto. Here in the words of Breton's more prolific translators, Mary Ann Cavs, The Second Manifesto ends with the an eloquent invocation of mental adventure (below), which takes fully into account the possibility of failure and determines to count even that a victory. Let him use in spite of all prohibition, the avenging weapon of the idea against the bestiality of all beings and of all things; and then one day when he is vanquished--but vanquished only if the world is world--let him greet the firing of the sad guns as if it were a salute. (OC I, 828) (from André Breton by Mary Ann Cavs, in chapter 1924-53: Manifestos. published by Twayne). + venantius j pinto From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Goanet] May be Rest in Darkness_McNamara: From the Tokyo Firestorm to the World Bank Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:46:20 -0400 From: Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com May be Rest in Darkness McNamara: From the Tokyo Firestorm to the World Bank by Alexander Cockburn http://www.counterpunch.org/ Indeed McNamara's legacy is of the perverse. Mario responds: Readers of Counterpunch and author Alexander Cockburn need to know that this is a far left wing publication and Cockburn is a vicious and mean-spirited Marxist-sympathiser and anti-Semite, as demonstrated by this sentiment at the death of a political opponent May He Rest in Darkness. Robert McNamara's legacy was marred by the left wing and the Democrat party in America when they cut the military budget on the verge of a VietCong military collapse. This is not my opinion but that of VietCong General Giap, who mentioned in his memoires that he was shocked when the Americans began to pull out because his forces were virtually on their knees after their failed Tet offensive. After the war, the VietCong and Khmer Rouge, whom Cockburn and his Marxist colleagues had described as benign freedom fighters, massacred some 3 million innocent Vietnamese and Cambodians. Real freedom fighters do not massacre their own people.
[Goanet] Goa to withdraw hundreds of complaints to save
Dear Samir, In my opinion it does not behoove you to make the comment below. It is very true, not at all hurtful to me (just to be clear), but I feel it reduces you. They are all massive opportunists. In that sense they have learned some worthy lessons, but I doubt many of them came from the Arthshastra. Any given majority (as in a congeries of voters) at any given time will result in their ending up having elected one or the other, so it will be the Ranes or the Kamats, or the stalwarts of the BJP, or whoever. I also say the above considering that you writing in the Goan press has been applauded on Goanet. Particularly interesting ideas such as bleow, in http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=23318cid=14 I doubt if there is any Goan who hasn’t heard this famous ballad: “Aage mhoje mai / Pedru podlo baient / Nisonn pavona / Pedru gavona.” (O, Mother / Pedru fell in a well / but the ladder was not long enough / Pedru couldn’t be found). The only consolation in this story if there is any is that at least someone tried to save Pedru. That counts for something, all thoughts do teach us of the societies which we represent in whatever manner. venantius From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Goa to withdraw hundreds of complaints to save minister To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 864445.9431...@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually the shame is on Goan people who elect crooks such as Vishwajeet and opportunists such as Digambar. samir
[Goanet] Goa to withdraw hundreds of complaints to save
Start with frying these fu*ers and then do the same if and when one is found on the other side. But the fact that this happened should help formulate strategy by those who keep trying. The AGs remuneration though may even go higher now that he is in the role of the Dwarpala. venantius j pinto Message: 4 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:29:25 +0100 From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Goa to withdraw hundreds of complaints to save Goa to withdraw hundreds of complaints to save ministerJuly 7th, 2009 - 2:35 pm ICT by IANS [image: Tell a Friend]http://www.freetellafriend.com/tell/?option=manualu=4395-
[Goanet] May be Rest in Darkness_McNamara: From the Tokyo Firestorm to the World Bank
May be Rest in Darkness McNamara: From the Tokyo Firestorm to the World Bank by Alexander Cockburn http://www.counterpunch.org/ Indeed McNamara's legacy is of the perverse. venantius j pinto
[Goanet] Pina Bausch no more with us
Dear Goans worldwide and those in Germany, As we know now, Pina Bausch, the choreographer passed away yesterday at 68 in Wuppertal, Germany only five days after being diagnosed of cancer. http://www.pina-bausch.de/news.htm Am Dienstag, 30. Juni 2009, starb Pina Bausch, die Tänzerin und Choreographin des Wuppertaler Tanztheaters. Ein unerwarteter schneller Tod ergriff sie fünf Tage nach einer Krebsdiagnose. Noch am vorletzten Sonntag stand sie mit ihrer Company im Wuppertaler Opernhaus auf der Bühne. For many years now, I have worked as a design collaborator with Sandy Graff on a project for Reena Shagan who runs Shagan Arts in New York. Reena represents Pina Bausch Tanztheater Wuppertal, among other leading international dance companies. Only last week we were looking at what pictures to use that best represented Pina. I was also fortunate to have the opportunity along with Sandy Graff to design posters for Nelken (Carnations) and Nur Du (Only You) for their US seasons. According to a statement on Tanztheater Wuppertal's official website, Bausch took her last bow on the Wuppertal stage the Sunday before last. http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2009/jun/30/pina-bausch-dies-dancer Do watch the videos at this link, particularly Cafe Müller, and read the accompanying text. I think Goans would appreciate of Pina's works in particular--Masurca Fogo. http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2009/jul/01/pina-bausch-clip-dance-guide ++ venantius j pinto
[Goanet] Michael Jackson's Nonsense Chant
(from Madhav Chari to me) Interesting, Zimmer is probably correct in tracing the connection between the two. But energetically the tunes are extremely different: just listen again. We tend to look for similarities in structure or motifs, and there could be conscious similarities. However what makes the piece is the total emotional energy of the piece ... Hear the end of the Jackson tune when he say ma ma se etc and hear Dibango say it in the course of the tune: actually the energy is extremely different. Jackson's articulation is different: it sounds more aggressive than Dibango, also regarding the entire piece its almost as if the Jackson piece is a cleaned up compared to Dibango ... obviously we also hear a US production job. However to me the Dibango tune is no less musical, no less interesting and probably connects with a deeper musical spirit the specific musical articulation is a connect to the spirit of the music form ... musical articulation is similar to accent in everyday language: not accent as in where the beats go but accent as in Irish, mid western, Long Island, upper class Indian in Mumbai speaking English I cannot show you articulation unless I play it for you, or point you to recorded music ... -MC +++ And recently upon my requesting permission to post his thoughts on Goanet. (MC) Go ahead but the important thing to note is that one should be able to hear this articulation and emotive difference ... we can describe all we want using English but that never gets us very far and this ability to hear the music cannot be intellectually explained: one listens and listens and listens till some part of that music sits inside your system / your body-mind +++ vjp Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:52:28 -0400 From: Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Michael Jackson's Nonsense Chant Michael Jackson's Nonsense Chant at: http://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/blogexcerpts/1902/ Yesterday, Ben Zimmer traced http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1542the nonsense-syllable chant at the end of Michael Jackson's *Wanna Be Startin Somethin* back to its roots in Manu Dibango's *Soul Makossa*, a 1973 Cameroonian hit that played a role in the origins of disco in New York City. The chants in these songs are nice examples of a phenomenon that I discussed a couple of years ago (Rock syncopation: stress shifts or polyrhythms? http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/005154.html, 11/26/2007), where linguistic accents and musical beats start off aligned at the beginning of a phrase, and then go out of sync, typically with one or more of the later textual accents shifted to the left, i.e. ahead in time, relative to the apparent musical beat. Madhav, please take a look at it. venantius
[Goanet] Michael Jackson's Nonsense Chant
Michael Jackson's Nonsense Chant at: http://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/blogexcerpts/1902/ Yesterday, Ben Zimmer traced http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1542the nonsense-syllable chant at the end of Michael Jackson's *Wanna Be Startin Somethin* back to its roots in Manu Dibango's *Soul Makossa*, a 1973 Cameroonian hit that played a role in the origins of disco in New York City. The chants in these songs are nice examples of a phenomenon that I discussed a couple of years ago (Rock syncopation: stress shifts or polyrhythms?http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/005154.html, 11/26/2007), where linguistic accents and musical beats start off aligned at the beginning of a phrase, and then go out of sync, typically with one or more of the later textual accents shifted to the left, i.e. ahead in time, relative to the apparent musical beat. Madhav, please take a look at it. venantius
[Goanet] Good samaritan Rickshaw driver
I believe this piece, would like to know where it appeared and wonder whether it also doubled up as a PR piece. What is worth some reflection upon is the bit where Suvendu Roy of Titan Industries says I started chatting with him and the initial sense of ridicule and disbelief gradually diminished. This is a such a persistent quality in us Indians, where does it come from and where does it go. But its is good to hear even someone state this out loud, his sense of ridicule. Its a pecuniary quality that is common to many of us, and is spelled out well in the book Being Indian by Pavan K. Varma. Also the bit about the rider attempting to make sense of this persons dharma both in its humanity and business methodology, as in, We realised that we had come across a man who represents Mumbai ? the spirit of work, the spirit of travel and the spirit of excelling in life. I asked him whether he does anything else as I figured that he did not have too much spare time. Very little basis to make the claim, but eminently acceptable when one does not know how this bienseance came together--as in sense of propriety. Complex analogies will mostly come from the masses. To make analogies and connections that aid or abet in how ones sees oneself amidst the changes that occur around us requires a different mingling as well as soiling of the mind. These changes have to be grappled with as the country gets sold to the largest bidder. One must also remember that during the Emergency the elites, the educated, the business houses, and ones with good jobs all supported it. It was people like my Dad who managed to flee from a sterilization van on a Mumbai street after escaping but not without staring in the face the spectre of Shri Vasectomy or should that be Bhesechthomy. We have all ended up on various paths, and truly with vastly different experiences. Dad must be smiling--in fact howling with laughter in the form of a cloud while we debate global warming. Man this is funny. I wish my brothers woudl howl with laughter too at whatever comes in their path. Coudl say more but must stop before I get too martial, contra-religious, or even pleasantly sexual--and risk this post not making it to Goanet. But life is short and waking on the razors edge is an art. Only those who can see outside our censorious existence while living within it, can create a different head space. Those in our higher institutes or education are not taught to see. It comes from within and in some cases a bit of it may be taught--as in a course on Social Change. I believe as a non-psychologist the Miller Analogies Test was applied on the streets of Mumbai, the answers will be devastating emotionally to those who believe in their superiority for a myriad of reasons. BTW, the largest employer in India is not the Indian Railways but the streets and by lanes of the country. venantius j pinto Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:38:31 +0530 From: Luis Vas luissr...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Good samaritan Rickshaw driver Hope you have this experience one day *As received* *Suvendu Roy of Titan Industries shares his inspirational encounter with a** **rickshaw driver in Mumbai:*
[Goanet] a link on Workers Rights
Hello all, I have decided that I will not be posting as often (as in the recent past) as I used to. The following url, http://www.joebageant.com/ is Joe Bageant's, Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War. Do scroll down and read, Worker rights: No balls, no gains. venantius j pinto
Re: [Goanet] Us jheel ka pani_From Urdu into Konknni, Marathi, English, and Japanese
Us jheel ka pani_From Urdu into Konkani, Marathi, English, and Japanese Urdu: Mirza Ghalib par ek ladki peshaab kar deti hai. Mirza sahab farmate hai. Aa chanchal shoq hasina yeh kaisi nadani hai? Ladki jawaab deti hai. Mirza sahab aap jis jheel se nikle hai yeh us jheel ka pani hai __ in konknni: Mirza Ghalib-acher ek cheddun mutta. Mirza saib mhunta O sobest cheddva yem kit tujem nennar-ponn Cheddun zavab dita Mirza saib tu jya vallant-san bair sorla yem tya vallant-lem udok in marathi: Mirza Ghaliba-var ek mulgi lagvi karte. Mirza saheb mhunto he kasluh nadan-punn Mulgi uttar dete Mirza saheb aapand jya vavuatun bhaher shirle / nigale, he tya vavuache / vavuantele pani in English: A girl urinates on Mirza Ghalib. Mirza sahab / sir says, O beauteous girl *this indeed is such innocence*? (such innocence this (is)?) The girl responds. Mirza sahab, the brook that you came from, this water is from that brook an attempt in Japanese (romaji, ie., in roman script): Sho'ojo wa Ghalib-sama (Mirza) ni shouben shimasta. Ghalib-sama wa imashita. Kawaiso no o-jo'o-san nani ga mu'jakina koto sore o? Sho'ojo ga ha'nnoo shimashita Mirza-san wa shousaashi kara ikimashita no de, ano shousaashi no o-mizu desu venantius j pinto
[Goanet] TODAY'S MUMBAI PUBLICATION Midday story
Bab Aurelio, Should we not be embracing her and accepting her story? It is difficult to believe? Konnem kristavanchem nav vogddavn soddlem munta? Madre Jesme-nt? Bhrastachyar, bhamtyaponn, nisturrai visorya--zoxxe thondayent mattem kamruna pondak lipoitat? Bhailank cheppuya? Sounsarak dakovya ki ami kristi jivit jiyetat titun kaiinch vait or kosloch uchabov voir soronam /sorchonam? Hi kani itli aprup amkam dista? Osleo kornneo ghodonant? Zulum mhunchem fokkanam? Let us stay grounded that as Christians one must be able to accept her story and that such things happen. We are not special. It is power, lust (which in itself is not as horrible as is made out to be in Christianity), a bad vocation, a shift in vocation, a desire to seek satiation and create such possibilities; its also a re-interpretation of the life as a Catholc religious, as well as so many things that our lives are fraught with. We are constantly at war with ourselves, our minds, our bodies, and we all have our weaknesses. It is when any form of power colludes with ones desires to realize those at any cost. Its another thing if interactions are consensual. In that case we have to step aside, although this too may go against many sensilbilities. If we cannot take this little bit, does anyone remotely think we can withstand Persecution 101 if it was to visit us? If its not her (if she made it all up) then believe that it happens to others. Start looking into eyes. They reveal a lot. venantius j pinto From: aurelio viegas aureliovie...@yahoo.co.in Subject: [Goanet] TODAY'S MUMBAI PUBLICATION Midday story ALL READERS, PLEASE GO THROUGH THIS STORY SINCE IT IS VERY INSULTING FOR THE ENTIRE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY.WHAT A SHAME? XHI BABA KRISTANVANCHEM NANV VOGDDAVN SODDLEM.. AURELIO VIEGAS The nun who bravely took on the Church By: Aastha Atray Banan Date: 2009-06-13 Place:Mumbai Former nun Sister Jesme talks to Aastha Atray Banan about her controversial autobiography Amen, in which she speaks out about sexual abuse in a convent
[Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin
Dear Sapna, Based on what you say about Rough Guides, yours may be considered as an inadvertent error. Had you stated that you had come across the information in that travel guide or any other it would have come across as a different concern. Please understand that often people formulate a questions or state something which appears as if it is their though, and hence they are held accountable. This is generally a decent forum, but you will learn for yourself. Had you said (please pardon my putting it this way), that you noticed such and such in Rough Guides or elsewhere and could someone shed some light on it, that may have been seen different. No guarantees, but I would hope so. It is a sensitive issue in that there is a lot of convenient misunderstanding walled around it. The ones who responded to you are not sensitive in the way one commonly understands the word, but sensitive enough to get alerted to penning a response. That's is a different kind of awareness, and respecting your having noticed some familiarity in a sentence or two. Rest assured they are some of the most astute people around. Welcome, things will be much better at least from the group that responded. My earlier response may give you some perspective, and is as gentle as the word gentle suggests. I will soon send you my earlier post, since it will be a while before it appears on Goanet. venantius j pinto From: Sapna Shahani sapnashah...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin To: Jason Keith Fernandes jason.k.fernan...@gmail.com Cc: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 8c1ee09c0906122150v584d016buce3693a72c0eb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jason, It wasn't my intention at all to provoke. By the way, I was raised Catholic (I am Anglo-Indian). What gives me the impression that Inquisition information is not known to visitors from outside Goa are my interactions with people I have met over 20 years of living in Goa on and off. Please don't confuse me with right-wing Hindus whom I've been given to understand have used this history to their advantage. I have no affinity for those types, in fact, quite the opposite. I was just struck when I learned that the Inquisition in Goa was possibly one of the worst in the world (according to the Rough Guide). This was years after I had started visiting Goa and after numerous visits to Old Goa. So it made me wonder why I never heard about that before, and I simply wanted to hear perspectives on this subject from this list. I'm sorry if I touched some nerves, I didn't realize it was such a sensitive issue, and I thought this list had intellectuals who could respectfully debate with one another. I hope future posters would reply a little more gently, so as not to scare away first-time posters like myself who may be non-Goan, but have significant respect for the land, and are trying to contribute to the economy in a positive way. In particular Jason, I thought your comment that 'my lack of awareness about contemporary politics is just another one of my blind spots' was out of line. I didnt think we knew each other well enough for you to know any other blind spots that I may have. Best, Sapna.
[Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin
Dear Sapna, I missed being one of the early ones out of the gate on this one. Fasting for 10 days and am a bit weak. But you have received some worthy responses to a large degree--in that all have chosen to see you as quite a genuine person. . Take this opportunity to state the gory history of Goa. You appear to know something, so just go ahead and say it. Then maintain a dialog or dialogs. You have a right to live in Goa so get a grip and decide what you want to know further to facilitate wholeness. Is it a good life, is it entry into politics, to become an entrepreneur. All possible. Who are these outsiders, and how would it help them? Conquerors do things to those conquered within the purview of their beliefs. This does not mean it is correct. That is power being used brutally to subjugate. What matters is that the insiders as well the Hindus know the reasons that comprised the gory pasts and have graciously chosen to live differently from their religious as well as cultural kin in other places in India. But it cannot be condoned and we have not, and yet a lot of water have gone under the bridge. Life is full of hurts and rancour and trust me no matter what anyone may say, the majority of Christians are not living in the lap of luxury. We are getting eroded little by little in a myriad of ways. Hey people can't even allow us to be left as artifacts. Is that not hilarious? If you are talking about unaware foreigners--that is different, but who can help them (avidhya). Is it our duty to tell them about our past? Must we also tell them about the current political and other despicable scenarios in Goan politics? Let me give you an example, and then you can make your own analogies. My mother brought us up on the mandate, Sot tem sot. That translates as, Truth is truth (or at least it did decades ago); No matter what truth must be upheld; Uphold Truth under any circumstances. The impact was we grew up questioning ever untoward incident, and on top of that seeing irregularities in benign actions. The point is it is not yet clear is that when one seeks truth one must consider (and others do so) what is one going after, Basically we paid a price for it. An example: My brother refused to squeal on the Hindu kids (incidentally not Goan) who caused some mischief in the class, resulting in him kept out side by the Headmistress. He was given the option to name names and then come back in. He refused, in this case believing that it was not up to him to reveal the truth and spare his skin and his future. The future being that it got messed up, weakened his foundation and failed his SSC. But believing the he had acted truthfully, he proudly (or perhaps with an edge) walked into her office the next year when he passed. That's another strand of truth. This way of being is only now beginning to dissipate. Perhaps mother meant, Right is right, and on account of our weak Konknni at that point we got totally baked. But still I am happy for that. I saw this since the Goan past fits into the life of all Goans in an enviromental (lived) and ecumenical sense. Besides this, out there, are also very aware foreigners. They know how to engage, interact, live and play with people. Do you feel they will be moved if they hear the brutal and temperamental histories in such as way that shifts their interest in a place. In they know the original precise reasons would that not be embarrassing. Unless the narrator lives the axiom, Sot tem sot. Not likely. The visitors come for experiences, to satiate their interests, strengths and weaknesses, seeking different climes and worlds to indulge in laissez-faire meanderings, to eat and drink relatively cheaply, to visit our museums, to enjoy architecture--Hindu, Muslim, Christian, the Buddhist caves, the Vetals and other older forms of animism, pick up ideas and ways of life that we believe in or have discarded--but which they may be used someplace else, to pick up seeds, to bed women and men and children, to claim newer fetishes, the list goes on. I have an ongoing series of works based on my reflections, :We do not come by our thoughts; they come to us. Where do they comes from, why do they come, how do they generate within the core of our being. I hope you get further worthy responses whether or not it is for scholarship. But what counts is when one first states distinctly so others may follow the trend of ones thought, in that, how is it that that particular curiosity: arose in the first place. I am not interested in debating anyone on this, but Sapna, do feel free to communicate directly with me if need be. Partly becuase it is also true that Hindus (even cultural ones, as in cultural Christians) rarely respond to such queries. And lastly does anyone believe that many of us even care what the survey says about Bom Jesu or any other edifice? Perhaps those playing their trades where they benefit from such statuses bestowed as a unique selling point. Why? Because, its better to light a
[Goanet] Goa news clips: 1135_Lithographs at Sant Ann Talaulim
Any idea anyone how it was restored, who the restorer was, was it done in India or abroad, how old are the lithographs? venantius j pinto From Goa news clips: 1135 Art Object At Talaulim Church Get Kiss Of Life: French-made Lithographs of antique value and a rare wooden panel painting depicting Christ's Crusifixion are among the art objects that have got a fresh lease of life as part of the 4.80 crore project to restore the 432 years old St Anne Church At Talaulim. [TOI]
[Goanet] The Goan fiddler
Yes Augusto. The Goan fiddler hy Augusto Pinto *To honour and remember one of India’s greatest poets, we must first keep his works in print.* http://www.himalmag.com/The-Goan-fiddler_nw2951.html + venantius j pinto
[Goanet] Calcium Vanadium Silicate
Is there any Chemist/ Mineralogist on Goanet who is aware of where in Goa Pentagonite is found. Calcium Vanadium Silicate. Also if there are any quarries that have struck Cavanasite. Feel free to contact me directly. venantius
[Goanet] G?bye Goa - Mundaris Kharvis: HERALD(Goa), May 31,
Sharp point. Praise be them and their progeny. venantius From: Valmiki Faleiro valmi...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] G?bye Goa - Mundaris Kharvis: HERALD(Goa), May 31, 2009 ... though a genetic mix-up did occur with offspring of tribal women. (ENDS.)
[Goanet] I am a millionaire!! Let us celebrate!!!
Dear Augusto, Congratulations. You are being terribly kind even before the check has arrived? : ) I would appreciate it very much if you would consider get me some pigments from Kremer Pigments, New York or straight from Germany. I am particularly interested in a kilo each of Pentagonite (presumably from Goa, India) and Tyrian Purple (I recently bought 25 mgms for $133), and a roll of the finiest 4X universal primed Belgian linen. Anything besides that would be also be much appreciated. Pentagonite (Calcium-Vanadium-Silicate, from Goa, India. Opaque, pastel turquoise) http://www.kremerpigments.com/shopus/index.php?cat=0102lang=ENGproduct=10470 Tyrian purple http://www.kremerpigments.com/shopus/index.php?cat=01040202lang=ENGproduct=36010 But games aside, please enjoy this: http://kremerpigments.com/naturfarben-us.html Oh, the Goan mind--kitlem sobit tem? venantius j pinto From: augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] I am a millionaire!! Let us celebrate!!! Dears *(deleted)* Now that I am millionaire, I do not know what to do with so much money. I suppose the first thing to do is to celebrate. When can we have a party? Then can someone please help me to spend my riches properly? Cheers Augusto ;-)
[Goanet] Tracey: Call for entries Fragmentation (also call for entries)
Tracey: Fragmentation_Call for entries http://www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/ac/tracey/call.html I believe the topic on Fragementation would be a very appropriate one for Goan artists, whether approached textually or to develop a visual body of work. Tracey is a site that presents drawings and is a forum to discuss darwing. Philosphy: http://www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/ac/tracey/philoshy.html TRACEY invites artists, designers, students, educators and researchers to respond. Responses may take the form of drawings or other visual material (with or without accompanying text) or previously unpublished articles or research papers. There's no limit on the number of images or the length of text, though all contributions are subject to editorial control, in consultation with our external advisers. For guidance on preparing a submission, see below: 'guidelines for written submissions' and 'how to submit'. Also see the page on Fragmentation ++ venantius j pinto
[Goanet] Will Mahanand cross quarter century?
Hi Samir, This is an wrenching wager considering the context, and has a sporty feel to it, like betting on number of runs in cricket, more so when the numerical counter used is the (quarter) century: X scored a half century over YY overs. Besides, to have arrived at the number of 3 murders (essentially snuffings--there is a component rooted in sexuality here) one probably took into account cost of living etc. But why do we think even about overall possible numbers, or is it that these thoughts just happen to flow in what for many has come to mean merely existing in the existential. Is not existence ghoulish enough already? Give this a thought. You could be right, but still (tari pan.d). venantius j pinto From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Will Mahanand cross quarter century? I think Mahanand will surely cross a quarter century. I have a feeling he has committed at least 3 murders a year, if not more. for 15 years, the total would be at least 45. Anyone willing to wager whether he has crossed a quarter century ? samir
Re: [Goanet] Serial Killer: 12+2 is the latest tally
Dear Tony, I was not annoyed at the comparison made between cooks and the Goa Police. We have all on occasion make such comparisons, albeit under extenuating circumstances. Hence I responded with, I understand that you may not mean what you are saying in real terms. What I always try and remember is to respect ones past posts and you have been consistently very gracious. Broadly speaking, it may perhaps do with the inadvertent manner in which comparisons are often rendered in Konknni, though less so these days. Some of it on our case may creep into our English. I have noticed myself saying some peculiar stuff but have learnt to catch myself. In the past one heard such comparisons like: To kitem, to barbeir. Tem hagudya baxin cholta. Amche polis pottak izzolele. Tem cheddun? Sheeh -- rand tem. Poilam mugo ghara amori zaun yeta. So no beef from my side. BTW, nice Latin touch. venantius From: Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Serial Killer: 12+2 is the latest tally Hi Venatius, Isabella, Selma et Al, I can understand your annoyance at my comparing the Goa Police with cooks even though unfavourably. Mea culpa! (deleted)
Re: [Goanet] An Illustrated Life: Venantius J Pinto
Thanks George. A couple of good things happened after being mentioned on that blog. An Indian bloke woke up and asked whether I would like to show when he opens his gallery in South India. He knows about my work and we will meet in July in New York. Lets see. The other was being contacted by a researcher at London Metropolitan University, and getting to know about MaMSIE— http://mamsie.wikispaces.com/ as well as a project that involves Second Life—http://secondlife.com/whatis/. This may perhaps be of interest to Goanetters in various fields—mutidisciplinary. venantius j pinto Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:48:55 -0700 (PDT) From: George Pinto georgejpi...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] An Illustrated Life: Venantius J Pinto Venantius, nice, very nice. 'Road to Basra' was fascinating. Thanks for sharing. George --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear? All, I would appreciate it very much if you shared a small amount of your time going through my drawings at the following blog. Any comments that you have be much appreciated.
[Goanet] An Illustrated Life: Venantius J Pinto
Dear All, I would appreciate it very much if you shared a small amount of your time going through my drawings at the following blog. Any comments that you have be much appreciated. http://www.parkablogs.com/content/illustrated-life-venantius-j-pintohttp://www.parkablogs.com/category/tags/art-blogs-of-note Please scroll down till you see my name and click on An Illustrated Life: Venantius J Pinto May 1, 2009 by Parka Feel free to share. http://www.parkablogs.com/category/tags/art-blogs-of-note Regards, venantius j pinto
[Goanet] Notes on a visit to the Goa Chitra Museum in Benaulim, Goa--April 2009
Notes on a visit to the Goa Chitra Museum in Benaulim--April 2009 http://www.goachitra.com/index.html St. John the Baptist church road, Mondo-Waddo, Benaulim, Salcete Goa - 403716 India Relationships are formed, things fall apart and yet others come together. While not many were watching a small museum has come up in Benaulim. A couple of people have written about it, but it needs more publicity and better analysis of what has happened, promises to happen, as well as what the trove that is its collection will allow individuals of all persuasions; the scholar, museum goer and the Goan who visits it. Although relatively compact in terms of space, it manages to do justice to its staggering collection by exhibiting an eclectic ten percent of its holdings. The collection comprises of castaways from about 300 houses across Goa. Its an ethnographers delight and also for us who exist in our temporality. The entire collection is in the vicinity of, I believe 40,000 objects, which makes one wonder if this number is a mistake since it is hard to take in. I say this having seen many museums of individual collectors around the world. The holdings of the Goa Chitra Museum is the collection of one individual--its creator Victor Hugo Gomes Coteto. http://www.goachitra.com/collections.html The entrance to the museum is through a set of doors which formerly graced the Chapel of Padre Jose Vaz (at Sancoale, I would think). That indeed is a touch enough to light one up with embarrassment at how such things come to pass. Did the doors decide to fly to Benaulim? Perhaps two of the seraphs brought them over on that rare break from singing praises? Certainly, Metatron and Jahoel. Jokes aside, the loss of one place of worship, is the gain of Goa Chitra Museum in Benaulim. The spell is cast upon taking that first step over the umbro (threshold), and Victor Hugo takes over. Victor Hugo is quite unassuming; intermittently sparking agitation that lights as a subtext to his consciousness. What possessed an individual barely in his twenties to walk with purpose collecting objects unique to life Goan--works of Goan aesthetic and furthermore ethic. Where would one have the opportunity to see over fourteen types of ploughs alone, designed for various soil types and to be used at specific times and situations. In seeing those ploughs, measures, or musical instruments, essentially what comes to mind is that one is seeing the Goan community through time as it faces eternity. Victor Hugo has sought the names of the implement's by painstakingly (normal for scholars, btw) cross-referencing various dictionaries, compiling his own as well as meeting Goans from across Goa. In any case it's a lot of work. His training in restoration/conservation surely helped him see things that are no longer within the purview of most Goans. The objects are displayed in a simple but welcoming setting. They range from ploughs, measuring containers, grinding stones, grinding mills, jewellers tools, a unique cane juicer/crusher too (whose angular teeth chiseled on the curve is admirable and a high order of technological thinking), jars, antique rain wear, fabric, and more. The museum is only one piece of the multi-faceted life of Victor Hugo and his lovely wife. The entire estate is a self-sustaining system--his home, farming without synthetic fertilizer, pits for composting, and vermiculture, water purification plant, other holistic activities--all pointing to a balanced lifestyle . The workers appear to be a contended band, and that cannot be faked; their faces are focused and content in their labor: a work force comprising of Manipuris guarding the estate, a family from Karnataka, another family from a Northern state, a Sikh poet hammering and chiseling with the forbearance of a craftsman, a young girl who does not give anything away while serving you a glass of something cold. She is elegant and of sweet accord, something one sees only rarely. There is community here. There is a leader, and those who work for him have been allowed to maintain their dignity. This is not a public, which indecisive politicians are only too happy to see as a congeries of little people. These individuals have minds. I believe they are also insured. To maintain this collection and keep it accessible would cost around 3 lakhs rupees, a month. This includes but is not limited to security, tagging, close-circuit cameras and so on. Basically, this is not an excessive amount considering what is at stake. Victor Hugo wants to keep admission free but Goa Chitra Museum accepts contributions. He is adamant that this is for the children in Goa, and when he says, he seems to holds himself in check for fear of getting teary-eyed. That is a sign of passion, of inwardness, and perhaps a lot of reflection about Goa and its future--its children. I feel that business houses and politicians could and should provide money with no strings attached. By that I mean no name of say Mr Mrs Money Bags'
[Goanet] Emerging from Absence: An Archive of Japanese in English--Language Verse
Emerging from Absence: An Archive of Japanese in English--Language Verse http://www.themargins.net/anth/contents.html Take a look at Kipling's Buddha at Kamakura. Its under the, The Nineteenth Century. Btw, Rudyard was born in the Dean's Bungalow at JJ (near the Applied Art section), Mumba. The reliefs at Crawford market are by Lockwood Kipling--his father. + I believe that there is a possibility that the Crawford Market structure may be razed. Art aficionado's on Goanet should consider buying those friezes/relief panels. Enough said. Poixeach poixe. Hope I did not rain on anyones parade. venantius j pinto
Re: [Goanet] Konkani name for Kulatha
Dear Mr. Borges, All points taken. Hopefully others will also seen the light in how you have addressed the points I made. Frankly a great job on your part. Everyone has a place in the Konknni firmament, as i see it, fully taking into account various languages skirmishes as they sprout occasionally. Perhaps I am myself a weak creature but if I saw danger to the Konnnki leicon, AnD knew the correct word--I would have given it and moved on. Well, unless fighting words were thrown or it was a sword fight (considering that I can handle lathis and swords), My point, simply being that one chooses to present and make points in a certain manner. Thanks for questioning the 40 year estimate and submitting a 40x40. I may not live another 160 years but could perhaps hit 120, that would be another 72 years which falls more than half short of 160. Please understand that I am not making fun of you or anyone. Just looking at it pragmatically. Btw, I do have books but thanks for the suggestions. I am not a language scholar but have a deep interest in it--within my overall life context. Do thale the following graciously: Considering that I do a full job (the most last year was 116 hours a week in a month of 75 plus hours a week), study various fields such as Japanese calligraphy professionally with exams etc, work on my art, freelance (to supplement income), and maintain a relationship/s--PERHAPS I shopuld not DABBLE--in which case I would not cause and craete rancour to many minds on Goanet. So I hear what you say and respect it within my reality. All this is to neither elicit sympathy or empathy but to point our realities in the same way as you do so. I could have asked that question in Goa of many others, if I had my stuff together and not zipping across various cities on the recent short trip. But do not take it as an excuse. Merely, another reference to my then reality. I am also happy that we have good dialecticians and logicians on Goanet. I am good at it it too. In the end it is all contextual. Who one is, the time, resources, etc. that allow us to find things, and find each other. I appreciate your contribution. I am no no better Goan than you may be--and we can only continue to see things graciously. Let the power brokers see it their way. venantius j pinto From: Sebastian Borges Dear friends, Venantius J. Pinto (message #5. GD IV, Issue 441) has made some very useful observations. (1) ? Perhaps I should have also asked my mother. ? Yes. This is the first thing we could do before rushing to some research institute run by people living in ivory towers. Our parents and grandparents, if available at hand, are our best resources of the Konkani lexicon.
[Goanet] Konkani name for Kulatha
++ Thanks Mr. Borges for adding to our understanding. ++ In general, what is also fascinating on Goanet is that people in the know wait a long time to put out information they are privy to. Perhaps they are busy, or choose not to be the first ones out of the gates. Hearty laughs aside--it could be possible that there is more than one name. But I cannot attest to that, only surmise--and that too perhaps wrongly. Perhaps I should have also asked my mother. Who knows we would have a third option and some more laughs. This also reminded me that on the one occasion I had inquired on Goanet for words related to sexuality in Konknni, only to be met by nothing but silence. To know Konknni at the level I would like to would take me 40 years of uninterrupted study. So one takes what one gets, till proven wrong or corrected--on the way encountering varying degrees of graciousness. venantius j pinto From: Sebastian Borges s_m_bor...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Konkani name for Kulatha To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 612119.87882...@web32607.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear friends, In Goa kulatha is called 'kullid' (kuLid) and the decoction 'kulldam kald' (kuLdAM kAld); 'kald' is from the Portuguese word for soup. It is a sure fire medicine for stubborn colds, and was my mother's favourite in this regard. It is also used as a general tonic for healthy people. It is still being used as such in my house. I do not know the meaning of 'kaat' in Mangalore Konkani. Or is it a corruption of the Goan 'kald'? The meaning I know in Goan Konkani (catechu juice) does not fit here.. I always wondered why it is called 'horse gram' in English. Now Maurice D. has cleared that. Thanks Maurice.. I had a hearty laugh on reading the word 'Godialle chonne' because this is a literal translation of 'horse gram'; but when I read that the source is TSKK, I calmed down because this research centre specialises in coining words by translation from English, even for commonplace things. One example is 'ainnya madd' (AiNya mAD) for palmyra (Borassus flabellifer) which is commonplace in my region and goes by the Konkani name 'tattmadd' (tATmAD). In Gujarat, where this tree yields toddy and neera, it is called 'tadd' (tAD) and the kernel of its nuts is sold as 'taddgola' (tADgolA) in Mumbai. The Konkani names of most commonplace things always bear some resemblance to their counterparts in neighbouring languages. Therefore, I think we should look around before rushing to translate English words. Mog asum. Sebastian Borges On 26 Apr 2009 (message #6, GD 429), Maurice D mmdme...@gmail.com wrote: This Indian Pulse is called Horse Gram in English and even now called Kulthi in Hindi and is still known as 'kuLith' in Konkani. It is boiled and fed to animals used for ploughing the rice fields, like Buffaloes, oxen or even milking cows.(in the Kanara region buffaloes were/are preferred over oxen pair to plough). I believe even now horses are fed this pulse after boiling it thoroughly. British must have observed this and called this pulse 'Horse Gram' In Mangalore/Kerala, Buffaloe race called 'kambaLa' is famous even now. This is grown after the first rice crop an secondary crop like 'Udid dhal' and it's roots produce nourishing mineareals in the soil of the field. After boiling this pulse, the drained water was used to prepare a soup dish (like 'rasam') by farming community who had buffeloes for ploughing purpose. This soup or broth is called 'kuLta kaat' Maurice D. On 25 Apr 2009 (Message: #3 GD 427), Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Maria Josefa, It would be Godialle chonne in Konknni. Godia=horse. I found this from Ms Shilpa Salvi of TSKK--who btw, is a lovely woman. Hope these eamils were of help. Bye now. venantius Goa
[Goanet] Konkani name for Kulattha
Dear Maria Josefa, It would be Godialle chonne in Konknni. Godia=horse. I found this from Ms Shilpa Salvi of TSKK--who btw, is a lovely woman. Hope these eamils were of help. Bye now. venantius Goa Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:46:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Maria Josefa D'Souza maria...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Konkani name for Kulattha Hi, ? Would anyone know the Konkani name for? Kulattha ? Check http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/herbfinder/h_dolichos.htm
[Goanet] Konkani name for Kulattha
*Botanical-Vigna unquiculata Walp.Syn. Dolichos biflorus (Fam. Leguminosae) KONKNNI: Looking into this, but Kulattha sounds quite Konknni-ish. Furthermore do try and get in touch with Goan Vaids/Botanists, as also Pratap Naik sj of TSKK)* ** ** *Sanskrit-KhalvaBengal-Kulattha English-Horse gram Gujarat-KalathiHindi- Kulathi Kannada-Huruli Malayalam- Mudiraa Marathi-KulithaTamil- Kollu Telugu-Ulavalu * ** ** ++ http://www.agri-history.org/pdf/Indian_pulses.pdf There is a picture here * Indian Pulses Through the Millennia Y L Nene *Asian Agri-History Foundation, Secunderabad 500 009, Andhra Pradesh, India*Horse gram (Dolichos uniflorus)* Horse gram is indigenous to the Indian subcontinent. Archaeological investigations have revealed the use of horse gram as food arounf 2000 BC (Mehra, *2000*). The *Brahadaranyaka *(c. 5500 BC), a commentary on the Rigveda (c. 8000 BC) mentions *khatakula*, which is the original Sanskrit name for horse gram. The Yajurveda (c. 7000 BC) mentions the Sanskrit *kulattha *(Achaya, 1998) as the name for horse gram. Subsequently, Buddhist and Jain literature, and Kautilya’s Arthasastra, all mention *kulattha*. Susruta (c. 400 BC) mentioned *vanyakulattha*, obviously a wild species. *Kulattha *is mentioned in the Sangam literature of the Tamils (100 BC–300 AD) as *kollu*, which seems to be a derivative of *kulattha*. The original Latin name for horse gram was *Dolichos biflorus*, which was later changed to *D. uniflorus *. Watt (1889) mentions two varieties of seeds, red and white. Kautilya (321–296 BC) mentions its sowing time as the postrainy season, while, according to Watt (1889), the seed could be sown in any season. Kashyapa (800 AD) mentions broadcast sowing after moistening the seed (Ayachit, 2002). The crop is drought tolerant. It requires one weeding (Kashyapa, 800 AD; Ayachit, 2002), but no manuring is mentioned. The Sangam literature of the Tamils mentions intercropping horse gram with *Paspalum scrobiculatum *(Achaya, 1998).The Sangam literature of the Tamils mentions intercropping horse gram with *Paspalum scrobiculatum *(Achaya, 1998). In Satara (Maharashtra), horse gram was sown in June with pearl millet in separate rows (Watt, 1889). Horse gram fodder has been fed to horses for centuries and is a good cattle fodder as well (Watt, 1889). Horse gram has been used as a food item for millennia. The soup extract from *kulattha*, called *yusa*,* *was consumed commonly during the Sutra period (c. 1500–800 BC). These soups are the *rasams *of today (Achaya, 1998). The *vadas *(cakes) made from horse gram were listed in the *Varanaka Samuchaya *(1520 AD) in the Gujarati language (Achaya, 1998). Horse gram was used as medicine to treat calculus afflictions, corpulence, hiccups, and worms (Chunekar and Pandey, 1998). Surapala’s Vrikshayurveda (Sadhale, 1996) mentions interesting uses of horse gram in horticulture. Horse *gram decoction* was used for flower and fruit drop. The Ain-i-Akbari (1590 AD) does not mention *horse gram* as an item sold in the markets (Blochmann, 1873). Also see Pandanus Database on Plant Names: http://iu.ff.cuni.cz/pandanus/database/details.php?id=1927 http://iu.ff.cuni.cz/pandanus/database/ http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/t_es/t_es_tiwar_botany.htm (read the tiny bit on plant consciousness) Some remedies (Please make your own decision) http://www.fatfreekitchen.com/home-remedy/kidney-stones-remedy.html venantius Mumbai From: Maria Josefa D'Souza maria...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Konkani name for Kulattha Hi, ? Would anyone know the Konkani name for? Kulattha ? Check http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/herbfinder/h_dolichos.htm A picture of Kulattha would help as well. Kulattha is known as a remedy for Kidney stones.? I was researching for home remedies for Kidney stones. Would anyone know other Kidney stone remedies ? Thanks, -Maria
[Goanet] Art Concerns
Art concerns (*www.artconcerns.com)* is a JohnyML + Dilip Narayanan initiative. JohnyML of Art Concerns' blog http://johnyml.blogspot.com/ Two of his blog enties Pandiram Mandavi--The King of Narainpur http://johnyml.blogspot.com/2009/03/pandiram-mandavi-king-of-narainpur.html Nashik--Art and Religion http://johnyml.blogspot.com/2009/03/nasik-art-and-religion.html venantius j pinto
[Goanet] On Ponzi schemes
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) The following Bill Moyers interview with William K.Black, will be helpful to those trying to understand Ponzi schemes. vjp + Moyers Journal: Madoff Was A Piker -- America's Big Banks Are a Far Larger Fraudulent Ponzi Scheme http://www.alternet.org/workplace/135161/moyers_journal%3A_madoff_was_a_piker_--_america%27s_big_banks_are_a_far_larger_fraudulent_ponzi_scheme/
[Goanet] Shark skin
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) Can anyone get me some cured/dried shark skin please. I can do the curing bit myself. It is to soften the edge off of brushes for inking woodblocks. BTW, you can also grind wasabi on it. venantius
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Psephology and the election
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) Awesome piece by Mario Cabral e Sa. Greek and all. All ironclad analogies, and in place. No prisoners. Superb language. venantius Subject: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Psephology and the election connection (Mario Cabral e Sa) Psephology and the election connection Of geniuses and left leaders gone berserk with strange alignments mariocabra...@yahoo.co.in
[Goanet] Curtorim
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) JoeGoaUk, my though below in no way casts any aspersions on you. + Any ideas as to why certain things titillated /titillate our people. I am not concerned about non-Goans here. Did these (a)musings emanate from the upper classes, who in a sense were alluding that others had not correctly, or elegantly absorbed ways they had imbibed well. Later were they absorbed by all others. What is it in such matters that titillate our people? Are we simply easily amused? Has this been going on as far as one can remember—I mean those who have lived longer, and in Goan, among Goans as opposed to those like me who did not grow up in Goa, nor lived among Goans. +++ samaani vah: aakuti: samaana hrudayanii vah: samaanam asatuu voh man: yatha vah: shusha asatii Basically: Let thy conclusions be one, lets you hearts be one (essentially unite–come together). Let one feel as one (society)--feeling the same intensity in the good or suffering (together--in good times or in bad). Bal Gangadhar Tilak presumably concluded his book Geeta Rahasya with this shloka from the Rigveda. (I hope to buy a copy later this month in Pune). http://www.scribd.com/doc/7861772/SUBHASHITASSanskrit-Wisdom-Sayings venantius j pinto From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Curtorim At school, it was a fashion. And if Kamizol is slightly visible then they used to tease each other saying 'Sunday is bigger than Monday'
Re: [Goanet] Racism in the Catholic Church
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) Wow. Thanks for helping me see differently. Your memory aside, follow what I say on Goanet. I do not write as much as you do, but I have said enough on the subject of racism (and its nauances) in the Catholic church? venantius From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Goanet] Racism in the Catholic Church Venantius wrote: And I have the ability to talk directly with the Church and do. But all this is only to help you see things and where people like me stand on certain issues -- since this is a very base accusation. Mario responds: Again, I was responding specifically to what was written in this thread, which, I am forced to remind you again, was about racism in the Catholic Church, not your segway into Hinduism or revisionist spin about the man from Porbandar. BTW, getting back to the subject, what do you have to say about racism in the Catholic church?
Re: [Goanet] GOA: HJS targets Russian lady
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) Selma, please excuse my mispelling your name. vjp Hi Selma, Some years ago a young Goan woman took it upon herself to pop a couple of pellets with a air-gun into the gluteus maximus of a pioneering immigrant who was basically part of a gang (employed or otherwise) stealing mud/sand from the banks of a river, which incidentally meandered adjacent to her family property (plantations of some sort)--eroding the banks. She had taken it upon herself to live in Goa to take care of the property. We are talking here of a very young woman. I forget where exactly it was but she is related to my wife Cecilia, and has the same last name. The police jumped up and down about this and basically created a lot of fear and tension (someone must have been getting paid), when they in the first place should have lauded her courage at attempting to clear trespassers off her family land. This was not the first time she had tried to thwart their attempts at daylight robbery. These guys were essentially pricks who were systematically eroding her property. I have always felt that in a place like Goa the police have to throw their books out and start afresh in dealing with who were always a law abiding people. Seriously the Goan police could have the best existence if they only cared to. venantius j pinto From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOA: HJS targets Russian lady A few months back, a bike was stolen from my father's yard. When he went to report it to the police they told him lots of incidents like this happen every day, we really don't have time to follow-up on this. (del) Obviously our police (del), but don't have time to solve the real law and order problems in the state. (del) Selma
[Goanet] Telling the King what others dare not
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) This one is for the all of us, including nuclear engineers and policy wonks. venantius + Startling Revelations About Three Mile Island Raise New Doubts Over Nuclear Plant Safety Fooling with Disaster? By Sue Sturgis (excerpt) But the moment the Thompsons heard about the TMI incident, they wanted to get inside the plant and see what was happening first-hand. That didn't prove difficult: Plant operator Metropolitan Edison's in-house health physics staff fled after the incident began, so responsibility for monitoring radioactive emissions went to a private contractor called Rad Services. The company immediately hired Randall Thompson to serve as the health physics technician in charge of monitoring radioactive emissions, while Joy Thompson got a job monitoring radiation doses to TMI workers. I had other health physicists from around the country calling me saying, 'Don't let it melt without me! Randall Thompson recalls. It was exciting. Our attitude was, 'Sure I may get some cancer, but I can find out some cool stuff.' (excerpt2) Today they live quietly in the mountains of North Carolina where, inspired by time spent seeking refuge with a traveling circus, they have forged a new career for themselves as clowns -- or what they like to call professional fools. As Joy Thompson wrote in the fall 2001 issue of Parabola, a journal of myth, the role of the fool is to help people perceive the foolishness in even ... the most powerful institutions, noting the medieval court jester's role of telling the King what others dare not. http://www.counterpunch.org/sturgis04032009.html
Re: [Goanet] Racism in the Catholic Church
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) Please provide text by Gandhi refuting what two Christians have said--Antonio Menezes and me. Do please provide. I would appreciate knowing what Gandhi said. I am willing to be proved wrong and regard my What knowledge? as faulty. Its is also very interesting to hear you say, Once again, I see some Christians trying to deflect attention from racism in the Catholic Church, the subject of this thread, to some other person's alleged transgressions - as if two wrongs make a right, even if true. It is stupefying to be accused of deflecting attention from racism in the Catholic Church. Are you for real that you accused me? Have you read what I have written in the past. Get a grip. And I have the ability to talk directly with the Church and do. But all this is only to help you see things and where people like me stand on certain issues--since this is a very base accusation. Help us here. Just provide what Gandhi said. His words. Not some excerpt not written by Gandhi himself. venantius From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Goanet] Racism in the Catholic Church . Mario asks: To the best of my knowledge...? What knowledge? Has Google and other search engines been shut down? Once again, I see some Christians trying to deflect attention from racism in the Catholic Church, the subject of this thread, to some other person's alleged transgressions - as if two wrongs make a right, even if true. BTW, the man from Porbander, regardless of how he came upon his epiphany, has been recognized around the world as a modern reincarnation of the proposition that Everyone is created equal. for which he was eventually assassinated. These insinuations against Mohandas Gandhi are despicable, not to mention false. See also: http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761575565/gandhi.html Excerpt: In September 1932, while in jail, Gandhi undertook a ?fast unto death? to improve the status of the Hindu Untouchables. The British, by permitting the Untouchables to be considered as a separate part of the Indian electorate, were, according to Gandhi, countenancing an injustice. Although he was himself a member of the Vaisya (merchant) caste, Gandhi was the great leader of the movement in India dedicated to eradicating the unjust social and economic aspects of the caste system. [end of excerpts]
[Goanet] Racism in the Catholic Church
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) Excuse the segway on my part, considering that Porbunder man has made an entry-- Our man from Porbunder was in Durban in 1893 to serve as legal counsel to a mechant, Dada Abdulla. Apparently, it was when Porbunder lawyer man got unceremoniously shoved out of the train, and his luggage followed him, having been thrown on the platform--that he encountered grave reality. It was then that the light shone upon him of his own illusory thinking. In seeing his plight quite clearly, he saw that, that of the coolies was even more so. He began seeing racism against colored people for what it was and that it was also arrayed against him, at which point in the bitter cold--the seeds for the fight began. The beginning was his person being negated. It was at Pietermaritzburg en route to Pretoria. http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/History/Gandhi/Pieter.html I agree with Antonio Menezes' point, To the best of my knowledge he did not utter a single word against the perpetrators of the worst kind of social discrimination. Perhaps as a lawyer he may have sold it to his colleagues as some essential strategy. venantius j pinto From: Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Racism in the Catholic Church (DEL) There was this lawyer from Porbandar who saw nothing wrong in his own backyard so he sailed across the Indian Ocean to Durban in South Africa to fight for the rights of Indian labourers which were consistently denied tothem by the white plantation masters. He scored some victories and then returnedto India,opened his eyes and saw centuries old discrimination of fellow huma n beings and did something which the rest of the world was amazed at. He simply renamed these suffering people as children of God. To the best of my knowledge he did not utter a single word agains the perpetrators of the worst kind of social discrimination. I suppose for a bania to criticize brahmins would be agains his dharmic duty. There you are sub-continental hypocrisy for you, Antonio
Re: [Goanet] GOA: HJS targets Russian lady
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) Hi Selam, Some years ago a young Goan woman took it upon herself to pop a couple of pellets with a air-gun into the gluteus maximus of a pioneering immigrant who was basically part of a gang (employed or otherwise) stealing mud/sand from the banks of a river, which incidentally meandered adjacent to her family property (plantations of some sort)--eroding the banks. She had taken it upon herself to live in Goa to take care of the property. We are talking here of a very young woman. I forget where exactly it was but she is related to my wife Cecilia, and has the same last name. The police jumped up and down about this and basically created a lot of fear and tension (someone must have been getting paid), when they in the first place should have lauded her courage at attempting to clear trespassers off her family land. This was not the first time she had tried to thwart their attempts at daylight robbery. These guys were essentially pricks who were systematically eroding her property. I have always felt that in a place like Goa the police have to throw their books out and start afresh in dealing with who were always a law abiding people. Seriously the Goan police could have the best existence if they only cared to. venantius j pinto From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOA: HJS targets Russian lady A few months back, a bike was stolen from my father's yard. When he went to report it to the police they told him lots of incidents like this happen every day, we really don't have time to follow-up on this. (del) Obviously our police (del), but don't have time to solve the real law and order problems in the state. (del) Selma
[Goanet] Who will pay the printer Was: Re: An Ode to Joseph Furtado (by Augusto Pinto)
I am sure no Goan wants charity, certainly not those who pride themselves of standing on their own feet; as I am aware entrepreneurs who would for good reasons not see a consonance with philanthropy and its acts. Having said that, I doubt whether one has seen, even shades of either philanthropy or an excess of charity in Goa. Perhaps caritas, as in benevolence and in love, Philanthropy in the sense of altruism? Most likely not or exceedingly rare or unknown. No one is offering charity. I see in some of these scenarios (an in a book of Joseph Furtado's works) the potential whereby we honor as well as create Goan icons. The larger players have had their chance and they will re-enter the field / market when they feel that the time is right. Other smaller publishers, including regional ones will see opportunities as time and space changes and opportunities reveal themselves. In such ventures, some books will have a tiny readership. On the other hand some will consider publishing books on esoteric subjects. To each their material. For instance an artist's book will have a small edition / small run and the publishing techniques may have to be different. I for one do not come from wealth but know the moves that I can and am willing to make, including publishing if need be, or handing it over to some one else. Distribution is a whole other exercise. I personally am not looking for opportunity, my works sustains me. So publishers should continue to bring works out and also attempt to be force in develop the book reading culture. The building of book culture in Goa is a journey that has begun but it does not promise to set a blistering pace anytime soon. One way to achieve that is to have writers read from their books and certainly at art events. Places of worship, clubs, etc, could be instrumental in creating such forums--perhaps even after say a high mass. And all are welcome. Some of the money from the till could go towards tea and snacks. The body and mind needs some sustenance, and not just the spirit in the religious sense. As with many things I say--easier said than done. My apologies in that regard. Philanthropy has a place. It is an altruism when practiced correctly. People like me practice it although we are not of wealth. It can also be considered as a meditative practice. It is also regarded poorly, and rightly so, when the base intent is not towards creating something good. Often those who complain against it are those who may stand to loose a foothold in their path towards stability and business security. A force that is often misunderstood. One last thing: I see writer/journalists reviewing books when only a handful have the acumen or panache to be doing so. They simply do not have the skills. So what does one do. I do not have that answer yet, other than saying that one may only continue striving towards honing ones critiquing chops. No point in over reaching--going beyond ones skill sets when one is not ready for it. Some have indeed evolved over time (no names) but the knowledge seems not to have been percolated laterally. venantius j pinto fredericknoro...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Who will pay the printer Was: Re: An Ode to Joseph Furtado (by Augusto Pinto) The publisher will pay the printer. If you (the reader) will buy the book/s. What is needed is not charity or philanthrophy, but attempts to build up a viable book culture in Goa.
[Goanet] An Ode to Joseph Furtado (by Augusto Pinto)
Dear Augusto, I am also gald that I waited in putting this out since now I have seen a couple of comments, particularly happy to read the rare Jose Pereira's post--and that too on Joseph Furtado. It was invigorating to read Furtado questioning identity as in--Indian and Goan. Rigtly so. Perhaps the words Faltam assuntos? Certamente não[Are subjects lacking ? Certainly not]!-- is something that we should carry forward in our minds when we hear the often repeated, What can I do? Perhaps that could be the title of a book on his collated works. But, having read some of JFs works, put a small post on GN on 02/18/08, I was hapy to see your piece provide a context to his life. Thank you. This will happen. Lets talk face to face next month. In the meanwhile trust me and collate the works. Lets also talk about a preface and accompanying essays. Other than you, are there serious Joseph Furtado scholars OR rather--have people focused on his work. I am aware that JF appears in a few anthologies. I have the one by R. Parthasarathy. I do not feel the statue belongs in Pilerne. Thats just my though. It also does not necessarily belong in the city. It would be ideal if a mainstream publisher or two was given first dibs. Lets bring Hartman de Souza in on this. (Hartman scream if you want out--which I doubt). Perhaps VM would be interested too in being a part of this. I will talk to him. ++++++++ Dear People, What do you think about making this happen. A response on your part will not be construed as a invitation to solicit money, other than to see whether it resonates with your sense of being Goan. Quite cheap really. However, contribution will not be turned away. It would be good to hear from those who are interested in contributing, either for the statue or the book or both. In any case I would like to make this possible. Lets hear what the goodwill sounds like. More later. venantius j pinto From: Goanet Reformat goanet.refor...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] An Ode to Joseph Furtado (by Augusto Pinto) An Ode to Joseph Furtado By Augusto Pinto pinto...@gmail.com There is no statue to mark the memory of Joseph Furtado. A pity; for his patrician looks and his long flowing beard would have made a fine figure. The house in Pilerne where he passed his childhood is in ruins. Only a few of the oldest residents have any recollection of him and fewer are aware that he was one of the finest Indian English poets of his time. We are fortunate that many of his poems still survive -- though they only just survive in a few slim volumes in Central Library's rare book section. (del) One way of honouring Joseph Furtado would be to erect a statue to him. But the poet himself would surely have appreciated it more if a fresh collection of his best works were brought out and bought by every lover of Goa. However, who will pay the printer?
Re: [Goanet] DEBATE: Taking caste seriously: being
Excuse my mispelling your spelling of Farokhi. venantius On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.comwrote: Why do you use two spellings in two cases? Are these errors? Zafar and Jaffar Farooqui (quite unusual) and Forokhi. At least you are using the standard spelling for Hafiz, although it is spelt in different ways. Btw that a nice gesture—Allah Hafiz. May you too be protected. While your point is laudable, Jason is using pretty straight English. People can make that effort. Certain things may only be said in certain ways. People who do not understand fitna could ask their Muslim friends. venantius j pinto From: zafar ali farooqui fz...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] DEBATE: Taking caste seriously: being anti-brahmin is not enough (del) I request you to avoid these words or provide meaning of the words in your future articles. Obfuscates ( obscure,confuse) edifice , succinctly ,critique, plethora ,upheaval and fitna. Your articles are meant for common man ( who understand little English) ie Dalits,Sudra,Muslims, Christians,Brahmins,Hindus etc. Allah Hafiz, Jaffar Ali Bin Mohamad Yusuf Farokhi
Re: [Goanet] DEBATE: Taking caste seriously: being
Why do you use two spellings in two cases? Are these errors? Zafar and Jaffar Farooqui (quite unusual) and Forokhi. At least you are using the standard spelling for Hafiz, although it is spelt in different ways. Btw that a nice gesture—Allah Hafiz. May you too be protected. While your point is laudable, Jason is using pretty straight English. People can make that effort. Certain things may only be said in certain ways. People who do not understand fitna could ask their Muslim friends. venantius j pinto From: zafar ali farooqui fz...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] DEBATE: Taking caste seriously: being anti-brahmin is not enough (del) I request you to avoid these words or provide meaning of the words in your future articles. Obfuscates ( obscure,confuse) edifice , succinctly ,critique, plethora ,upheaval and fitna. Your articles are meant for common man ( who understand little English) ie Dalits,Sudra,Muslims,Christians,Brahmins,Hindus etc. Allah Hafiz, Jaffar Ali Bin Mohamad Yusuf Farokhi
Re: [Goanet] Nuns treated like servants by priests
Bosco, I personally would like, those who post urls to make a point or two on occasion as to what strikes them about the news/info found at the links they provide. All postings are not equal or for that matter self-revelatory--as to the interest of the poster. One is not asking for a preface but something on the lines of I was moved to hear of this OR Hey people, this bothers me Or Its sad to see the RC going through this OR Who gives a damn Or Serves you good, and so forth. venantius From: Bosco D'Mello bos...@canada.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Nuns treated like servants by priests Barad has posted an article on a subject that was highlighted here a month ago by Goanet News: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-February/174186.html What is Barad's misdeed in this instance?? - B
[Goanet] Subject: More than just Collomb, Mining Village
Dear Benedict, Some satellite images (Look at the barges. Reminds one of vultures) : http://navendushirali.blogspot.com/2008/08/mining-of-goa-satelitte-images.html More Images: http://images.google.com/images?hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialhs=Ztqq=Goa+mining+imagesum=1ie=UTF-8ei=g0HJSZf8AsKJtgfQ1LmVAwsa=Xoi=image_result_groupresnum=1ct=title From the ground: http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/ Look under Mand Themes: Bicholim, Cheryl, Ambaulim Antruzz (our finest in khaki pushing people around--meet PI Santosh Desai) http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/search/label/Ambaulim%20Intruzz, Cavrem, Collomb, Kulagars. In each case make sure that you scroll down. Not the best images but under the circumstances. While at it have a look at the River Princess: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://photos.jpgmag.com/57279_33500_33af3d4f8f_p.jpgimgrefurl=http://goa-kranti.blogspot.com/2009/02/ode-to-river-princess-of-goa-by-tony.htmlusg=__kk38qCUVR9bNiwrqufOj09X1l_4=h=473w=658sz=75hl=enstart=75sig2=1CD7XO6PuDTNpUsobsRF8Qum=1tbnid=Fq7psAQWakKQSM:tbnh=99tbnw=138prev=/images%3Fq%3DGoa%2Bmining%2Bimages%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26start%3D60%26um%3D1ei=EUPJSefbDNuImQe4ne3wAg Worth reading: (Hartman de Souza) http://kafila.org/2008/08/07/quepem-by-the-kilo-hartman-de-souza-on-mining-in-goa/ Kafila / karavan (serai or otherwise): * Main akela hi chalaa tha jaanib-e-manzil magar Log saath aate gaye… karavaan banta gaya* **[Alone I was when I started towards my destination, but People kept coming along, the caravan kept growing] by Majrooh Sultanpuri (Armstrong Vaz) http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/rape-goa-continues (Hartman on Corporate social responsibility) http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-February/174049.html About aerial photography. One would have to rent a small plane--helicopter is better for low altitudes, and photographer with or without a 3-way gyro. Or do it yourself. Make sure its the right aircraft for the job. (years ago I rented a small plane in Marlborough to fly me over the crop circles near Stonehenge.) Goan photographer living in Bangalore--perhaps one could talk to him: http://ryanlobo.blogspot.com/2007/02/goa.html Then there are the panoramic cameras, but this email is already too heavy. Hope this helps. venantius From: Benedict DeBraganza bendebra2...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Subject: More than just Collomb, Mining Village Does anyone have photos of these mining villages? What are the chances of getting some aerial photographs of the place? Does anyone have any ideas on how to get photographs from the air without breaking any laws!? Why are only a few Goans commenting on this topic?? Lots of questions, where are the answers? Perhaps with the Lamani's and the Ghanti's. Wake up Goa. Ben.
