[Goanet] The Congress Party: NB!
The late Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar and the late Minister Mathany Saldhana managed to persuade the minority community a couple of elections ago to vote for the BJP. Even the Roman Catholic Church gave support to the idea. Why? The Congress party had gone on a looting spree which today is acknowledged as legendary and unstoppable! Has the Congress party reformed and learned from the inglorious past? Please correct me if I am under the wrong impression. Haven’t Digamber Kamat and Alex Sequeira been awarded Congress tickets for the next elections? Rahul Gandhi was here a week ago and there was a big show about making a new beginning and a lot about guarantees regarding delivering what is going to be in the manifesto. Also, the importance of participatory democracy and the need to consult with the stakeholder and voter. If these two old horses are going to be part of the group of representatives in the coming election then the Congress party is already in trouble. One is deeply immersed in the mining scandal and the other did nothing to stop loot by the party. Doing nothing about corruption, keeping quiet about it in a parliamentary system of government is no excuse. It does not mean he has a lot of political experience as he claims; it means he is not a responsible and clean politician contrary to his claim of having a lot of experience! Are these two going to be the frontline faces of the Congress party in Goa? If it is to be then it will be as great a tragedy as MLA Luizinho Falero joining the TMC. Will the Congress party president get the point? New and fresh faces have been promised even maybe a few never before seen faces. The Congress supporters do not want faces from decades ago! Is this a fresh new start? How does the party expect to get away with it? We are all aware of cosmetic surgery but can it work on these two old political horses? Senior Goa Congress oliticians please do not make a sincere man like Rahul Gandhi into some kind of a monkey or fool. He gave the people of Goa his word of good governance and a clean government. Some people say the BJP is even more corrupt than the Congress party. If true then it is not the way to come back to power by putting old people in the Congress political show window which will only remind the whole of Goa of the unbelievable corruption of the Congress in the past. Mr Girish Chodankar the party president might well go down in the history of politics as the man who gave the Congress party their last and final rites. Is this good or bad?
[Goanet] COLUMN: Congress party somersaults on its resolution
Congress party somersaults on its resolution By Nisser Dias nisserdias at gmail.com SMS to 9422437029 Trust the Congress party to betray its loyalists, supporters, citizens and the nation as a whole. It seems that the party has lost all its integrity to rule the nation for a simple reason that it has overlooked the lack of credibility of its candidates while dishing out party tickets. This reminds me, during one of all India congress convention a resolution was passed by the party, ‘one ticket one family’ and on this basis in 2007 assembly election in Goa Jennifer Monserrate was denied party ticket prompting Babush Monserrate to ditch the Congress at the eleventh hour and contest on UGDP ticket. Similar was the case with the Alemao’s and Rane’s. Churchill Alemao was denied the Congress ticket as he was the Member of Parliament, while Joaquim Alemao was re-nominated from Cuncolim. This forced Churchill to contest under the banner of Save Goa Front which he later dumped to join the Congress, similar is the case of Vishwajit Rane who contested as an independent after being denied the ticket as his father was re-nominated. As of today the Congress party seems to have forgotten its own resolution and have allotted party tickets to family members thereby promoting and endorsing dynastic politics. It is really ironical that India’s oldest party is susceptible to pressure and blackmail from sitting MLAs and ministers. If the party does not hold its sway over it MPs, ministers and MLAs then I think such a political party is not fit to govern a state and even less a country. Without a shadow of doubt, Digambar Kamat led government in the state was the most corrupt government ever. This is not my perception or that of the ‘aam admi’ only but has been endorsed by MGP hypocrites like Sudin Dhavikar and his brother Dipak who have been part of the government. Hypocrites because they shared the spoils for almost four years and when it came to elections resigned from their plum lucrative posts terming the government corrupt. Of course the machination and the functioning of the Dhavlikar brothers is an open secret and they not any better than others in government. That apart let us analyze the performance of the ministers and MLAs that have been successful in bagging Congress tickets for their families. First and foremost all the legislators who introduced family members into politics are alleged to have amassed wealth disproportionate to their known source of income. Basically meaning these individuals have made politics their business. Babush Monserrate has brought in his wife Jennifer. He was nabbed and detained at the Mumbai International Airport for allegedly trying to smuggle huge amount of money in Indian and foreign currency. Where did this money come from and what was the need to smuggle it, if it was his tax paid cash. Does he have the requisite permission to deal in foreign currency? Churchill Alemao has used his money power and influence to bag ticket for his daughter Valanka. Frontal organisation of the Congress National Student Union of India member Sunil Kautankar has filed a criminal complaint against Churchill Alemao alleging a scam of Rs. 300 crores in the PWD. Fatorda BJP MLA Damodar Naik had raised the issue of distribution of water tanks which he had alleged was a scam by the PWD minister. There are lots other instances. Joaquim Alemao is not far behind. His heist has been exposed by the High Court and Comptroller Auditor General of India. Incidentally controversies are not new to Valanka Alemao also. She attracts controversies just like dogs attract fleas. Recently in an interview with a local news channel she was asked about allegation about being a collection agent of her father and her reply was, when in public life opponents make such comments. Of course she also demanded proof. Allegations are flying thick in the air about her being foul mouthed. She was disqualified from contesting youth elections for using political influence. But Congress party in its wisdom thought it right to allot a party ticket to her. Both the Ranes have been allotted Congress party tickets, besides, Vishwajit has cornered as many as four tickets for his favourites. Junior Rane has been the Health minister for almost the entire term, but till today the government health care and its institutions are in shambles. Lack of medicines, beds, bedsheets, indiscipline and inhuman doctors and nurses adds to the woes of government hospitals. Instead of strengthening administration and functioning in government hospitals and health centres, Vishwajit Rane was more interested in bringing in private players by abusing the public private partnership scheme (PPP), alleged for personal benefit. Worst, he was more than willing to handover huge tracts of land at GMC to Israeli firm dealing in arms and armaments to set-up a hospital. And Congress party has
[Goanet] The Congress Party
Dear Goans, At the May 2007 Election Rally in Goa, The Congress party president Sonia Gandhi announced that the Congress plans to ensure Goa tops on all parameters by 2012 (Golden Jubilee of Liberation). But I think that at the point, Goans would be in the minority and would wonder if they are celebrating Liberation from the Portuguese or from the Goans. She said that Goa is the Jewel of the Country and should remain the same; Is this being followed by her Corrupt Party Colleagues in Goa? Many Congress MLA's are in fact selling Goa to the highest bidder. She said that the Secular Congress and will ensure no Communal incidents in Goa. If Goa is free from Communal Incidents so far, it is because of the nature of all Goans and not because of any party or Congress in particular; and Ms Sonia Gandhi is taking undue credit. The Uncontrolled Non-Goan migrants flux into the State supported by Congress MLA's Our Chief Minister for vote banks; will actually increase the incidence of Communal Incidents. The significant change in Demographic Balance, will be very dangerous for Goa. In fact, the Congress party is responsible for Goa's deteriorating state of affairs today; right from the so called Liberation in 1961 where Goans were not given any say on the future of their state; or given safeguards to protect Goa's Unique Identity. Arwin Mesquita, Colva.
Re: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular? + Facts v/s hearsay
To Goanet - Miguel Braganza wrote: Coming to the point of GBA, can you put a NAME to any of the Core Group members, who meet every month, who are supposed to be ones who have quit the GBA in disgust [your words]. . . . I will hold my peace, while you shout out the names of the QUITTERS from the GBA. It is a deal you now cannot refuse! Alright. Point your browser to this link - http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-February/069954.html Do you have a pathological condition that craves self-humiliation every single day? For the past several months you have been taking potshots at GMAS and Matanhy, all the while when you had this whopper sitting in your own front yard. Now, if you had any sense, you would pack your bat ball, go home, make yourself a fresh lemonade, and take a long nap. But I know you won't. You will soldier on with your inanities. The sooner we accept the reality of the GBA, the better it will be. This bickering and discord does no good to Goa when the need of the hour is a strong front united in a common cause. However, it is imperative to confront the inconvenient truth head-on rather than live with a comfortable lie. Worship of false heroes is a road to disaster. There are still sincere workers within the GBA and I have cited some of them here in the past. But as a group, the GBA is badly tainted, its credibility severely injured. The Goan people who reposed so much faith in it have a right to know all the dirt. The GBA was fighting the policies of the Government of Goa, plans that would have lead to the obliteration of our rapidly deteriorating haven. As a self-professed apolitical unit, it was incumbent upon the GBA leaders to give a wide berth to every political party and every active politician. Which means, without exception, all the 40 MLAs should have been toxic to the GBA. Instead, some GBA leaders decided to play footsie with the Congress Congresswallahs. The love affair was consummated recently when the GBA convener publicly composed bhajans in honour of Digambar Kamat. When some of us protested, he tried to wriggle his hand out of the cookie jar with the weaselly disclaimer that these were his personal views, not those of the GBA. Sorry, mate, that won't work. If you were writing on the topic of The mating habits of the duckbilled platypus that would not be a problem. But when your organization is fighting the very political establishment and the political culture that seeks to destroy Goa, and you hold a key position in its ranks, there can be NO demarcation between your public and private views on political matters and political personalities that are the direct targets of your campaign. The GBA leaders have broken trust. They have abused the goodwill and the visibility they had earned in order to further their own pet political agendas. Regards, r Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular? + Facts v/s hearsay
Dear Rajan, Thanks for the elucidation. So we are agreed that Dr.Anand Virgincar is for Manohar Parrikar as CM. That is good. I like the fortright manner you have put it now as he did in the advertisements before the 02 June, 2007 elections. Some of the others on that list were hesitant to stand by the advertisement. Coming to the point of GBA, can you put a NAME to any of the Core Group members, who meet every month, who are supposed to be ones who have quit the GBA in disgust [your words]. When I contact them for the monthly meetings, they either promise to come or inform if they are out of station or have another engagement. No one has told me they have QUIT THE GBA. Those who fail to attend always give reasons/excuses why they could not make it. If YOU know a GBA Core Group member who has quit in disgust, simply name him on this list. I like the fortright manner in which you write. Please do it in this case also. Let us know the Closet Queens in the GBA ...if there are any. Let them drop dead from the GBA and .let their skeletons roll from the GBA cupboard. Holi hai! It is time for renewal. Rajan wrote: The decibel level of your protestations is inversely proportional to the strength of your case. Comment: I will hold my peace, while you shout out the names of the QUITTERS from the GBA. It is a deal you now cannot refuse! Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:50:57 -0800 (PST) From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular? + Facts v/s hearsay Miguel Braganza wrote: Dr.Anand Virgincar was ...and possibly still is ...for PARRIKAR as CM with Cristao MLAs so that Manohar-bab does not become totally communal. Do you want to deny that for him, Rajan-bab? Why would I deny that when he himself has been saying it openly here on Goanet? He came clean right away where he was coming from, what his goals were, what his political preferences are.No chicanery, no doublespeak. Perhaps such forthright manner is alien to you? Please do not market your half-baked opinions as the Truth. The GBA is alive and working. True, the GBA is alive and working. Working for the Congress. The GBA as a credible group was compromised long ago. Ordinary people like me, who kept aside our political preferences and wholeheartedly got behind the cause, mentally emotionally, were betrayed. I wish this had not been the case, but you cannot wish reality away. Right now the number of fellows who have quit the GBA in disgust exceeds the heads still bobbing up and down in the ruins. The decibel level of your protestations is inversely proportional to the strength of your case. Warm regards, r -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular? + Facts v/s hearsay
Bab Miguel Braganza says : Thanks for the elucidation. So we are agreed that Dr.Anand Virgincar is for Manohar Parrikar as CM. That is good. I like the fortright manner you have put it now as he did in the advertisements before the 02 June, 2007 elections. Some of the others on that list were hesitant to stand by the advertisement. I say : 1 ) I am amazed Mr M Braganza needed an elucidation to be aware of my political stand. I have made my stand crystal clear from day 1 of my Goanet presence . I also make it clear before I proceed with any political conversation ( as I did with my first verbal contact with Mr M. Braganza ). It was also clear in the advertisement campaign before the June assembly elections ( and it was I who told Mr M. Braganza that I was part of those responsible for those adverts when I introduced myself to him ) 2 ) There are many untruths about the adverts which have passed unchallenged ( like many other falsehoods that have been propagated on Goanet ) in the archives. I will tackle those in due course. For the present , I would be grateful if Mr M Braganza can tell me a single name of those on the list who are hesitant to stand by their inclusion in extending full support to the adverts ( there were about 50 names of doctors , lawyers , engineers , chartered accountants , directors of multinational firms etc etc I ask Mr M Braganza to name just 1 who is hesitant to say that they believe wholeheartedly in what they said in the ad's otherwise this is another untruth to add to his record ) regards, anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) _ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com
Re: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular? + Facts v/s hearsay
To Goanet - Miguel Braganza wrote: Ports jetty, too. It is not just that Virgincar called you and me. You contacted me , too. Remember? Of course. I called a few people myself, you included. Some of us felt at the time that we should present one solid united anti-SEZ front and we tried our best to realize it. Alas, we failed in the attempt. What is it about this that you don't like or fail to understand? Dr.Anand Virgincar was ...and possibly still is ...for PARRIKAR as CM with Cristao MLAs so that Manohar-bab does not become totally communal. Do you want to deny that for him, Rajan-bab? Why would I deny that when he himself has been saying it openly here on Goanet? Au contraire, you should commend Dr. Virgincar for being honest with you from the get-go. He came clean right away where he was coming from, what his goals were, what his political preferences are. No chicanery, no doublespeak. Perhaps such forthright manner is alien to you? Please do not market your half-baked opinions as the Truth. The GBA is alive and working. True, the GBA is alive and working. Working for the Congress. The GBA as a credible group was compromised long ago. Ordinary people like me, who kept aside our political preferences and wholeheartedly got behind the cause, mentally emotionally, were betrayed. I wish this had not been the case, but you cannot wish reality away. Right now the number of fellows who have quit the GBA in disgust exceeds the heads still bobbing up and down in the ruins. The decibel level of your protestations is inversely proportional to the strength of your case. Warm regards, r Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular? + Facts v/s hearsay
To Goanet - Miguel Braganza writes: Well, I have not tried to influence YOUR political opinion as you have tried to influence mine ... by persistent phone calls to my mobile phone number in last year to drum up support for Mathany and through him to Parrikar. Go ahead and deny it. It matters not one whit to me. Sour grapes? It may shock Miguel that he wasn't the chosen one. That he got a telephone call despite his being a vocal critic of Manohar Parrikar and the BJP should have been a clue which any mind, sufficiently smart, would have taken. Dr. Virgincar also called me and, I understood later, several others of varied backgrounds. This was around the time the SEZ resistance was poised for take-off, and GMAS was planning a sit-in coinciding with IFFI 2007 in November. It didn't occur to Miguel that Dr. Virgincar's primary concern was not party loyalties or politician loyalties. The doctor called everyone he thought could make a difference because his commitment first and foremost was to Goa's well-being. But to those caught up in the bowels of their own conspiratorial cabal, every dawn ushers in a new web of intrigue. I will expose the WRONG whether it is Manohar-bab coming piggy back on GMAS or Matanhy using the YFG for political ends or Digu-bab justifying the police excess in the house of Babush Monserrate. Wow, what courage. Is it a natural gift or did you develop it later in life? This bluster reminds me of the Konkani expression kottolo aahlo. What about the self-exposed 'apolitical' convener prancing around in his birthday suit? Will you 'expose' him, too, or do you prefer to stay in the dark room instead? Him behind whom I (and others) unreservedly stood in Dec 2006 only to discover later that he betrayed the cause through 'apolitical' subterfuge. The GBA canoe has now capsized, its reputation now having dipped to levels lower than whale-poo. Miguel seems to have a problem with Dr. Virgincar being au courant, armed with facts figures about Goa's recent politics. He appears to disdain the doctor's candour as regards his political preferences. He obviously finds the absence of doublespeak disconcerting. Consequently, Miguel-bab is reduced to no more than blowing blasts of bumbling gasconade. Warm regards, r
[Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular ?
Miguel wrote: Dear Vinay-bab, Thank you for responding. I was wondering why you were being represented by an incompetent proxy ...who has his own axe to grind [not Parashuram's axe] ;-) My Response: Dear Miguel bab - Can you be more specific by your above statement and be audacious enough to name the person whom you are referring to as an incompetent or what-ever as my proxy and what axe he has to grind ? Otherwise please refrain from making such vague insinuations in any directions. I don't think I need a proxy to represent myself as long as I can take anybody head on. Miguel wrote: My points are interpersed below for convenience. Nothing personal about it.If it is not too much bother, I would prefer if you spelt my name MIGUEL. then I would know for sure that I am being addressed. My Response: You have already declared that my English is weak. So you have to accept whatever way I spell anybody's names. Miguel wrote: Our family has NEVER been Congress supporters, though I have voted for Babush when he contested on a Congress or Goa Congress ticket, too. Parties really do not matter in Goa. My response: Like you I am also not staunch supporter of any party. But my revulsion for this Corrupt party is much stronger than my support for BJP. I support BJP since it is the only Party in India and Goa as well, who can counter the malpractices of Congress. I agree that BJP is not cent percent sanctified but you have to choose the lesser devil out of two. You are absolutely right that Political parties really do not matte in Goa. Take example of the Ranes (father and son), Dayanand Narvekar, Pandurand Madkaikar plus number of candidates who are winning the elections repeatedly given any party ticket by offering economic enticement to individuals or some local religious bodies like church committees, Temple Saunsthas or sports or cultural clubs. It is not their development work for their constituency that resulting in their election victory but the corruption has crept into our life to such an extent that voters do not look beyond their private gain by voting these candidates in return for personal favour obtained from these politicians. Miguel wrote: Replacing one arrogance with another is not a solution ...as India shining proved beyond doubt. My Response: One of the reason for NDA's loss in 2004 election was mainly due to wrong timing of the election - While Atal Bihari Vajpayee was wanted NDA to complete its full term till October 2004, but the Islamabad Declaration of January 6,2004 with its fallout with serious discussions on Jammu and Kashmir which began in June and be carried forward in August appeared to have compelled him to agree to the party (L K Advani) line of having the election earlier. He probably thought that attaining peace with Pakistan would be a powerful election point in the NDA's favour. As a result, the NDA government lost the golden opportunity to present its regular 2004 budget, which, finance minister Jaswant Singh later said, was to usher in a second Green Revolution. That budget, with a strong bias towards agriculture -- largely neglected since 1999 -- would have been an excellent platform for the NDA to win over the farming community. In the event, bringing the 2004 election forward blanked out Jaswant Singh's proposals for agriculture, while the plank of peace with Pakistan didn't click with either the ordinary or the poor voter who worries about little else apart from thier own survival. Miguel wrote: I did not know you were a spokeman for the BJP. Mea culpa ;-) If the waterin the pool is upto one's nose, one can suvive. There after, every millimeter matters. So also in electoral arithematics. See what happened to GDA with 20 MLAs last July. What DEMOCRACY are you talking about in the BJP? Not that the Congress or NCP has any. Only the Shiv Sena is clear about what it is. ;-) My Response: It displayed the inefficiency of Congress party to keep its disgruntled partners together we have experienced it twice in seven months. However Congress managed to prevent the fall of its Government both times by undemocratic way first by disqualifying the rebel MGP MLAs using its biased Speaker and secondly by prorogating the house which was in session illegally by Speaker with connivance of its political agent Governor. This is what you are taking about Congress party's DEMOCRACY :-)) Miguel wrote: Do not lump the Bhandaris and Marathas with the Vaishyas, Daivaidnya Brahmans and Saraswats. Let us consider as Hindu those who can enter the garbha griha of ANY [or most] Hindu temples. I am talking of religion, not political umbrellas of convenience. Then let us reconcile the statistics of employment in the Goa Civil Service cadres. My response: I could not comprehend your statement can you be more explicit regarding what you mean by not lumping different castes together And what co-relation is entry of Hindus
Re: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular? + Facts v/s hearsay
Bab Miguel says : *^+$%*^!*[EMAIL PROTECTED]}~!%$£^% $**^%**)_+@:??~£*^^***!+}:@@~*etc etc etc Bab Miguel continues to shy away ( for some obscure reason only known to him ) from answering my specific and relevant questions. I request Mr M Braganza once again to stop shouting abuse ( which he will soon run out of ) and stop digging himself into a hole ( which is getting deeper by the day ) Rather than wasting all our valuable time in this senseless exchange of polite requests from one side and stupid abuse from the other , I will use this opportunity to make my stand clear. A ) I have decided to do a little bit more towards trying to stop the virtual rape of my homeland ( other than just sitting at my workstation and hammering away at the keyboard ). It may all be in vain and Dr J. C. Colaco may well be right in that the horses may have already bolted. But at the least , I can hold my head high in the reassuring feeling that I went down fighting. Before deciding to take the plunge onto Goanet ( and many other fronts ) I have strained to aquire as much factual knowledge as possible by spending an aggregate of over 6 months in Goa over the last 2 years. I have met thousands of politically active and inactive Goans. I have also made phone calls ( expending a small fortune calling long distance ) in order to enrich my knowledge . Among others , I have spoken to Mr M Braganza , Mr P Sabnis , Mr F Noronha , Bab Floriano Lobo , Dr Rajan Parrikar, Mr Soter D'Souza , Mr Digamber Kamat , Mr Matanhy Saldanha, Padmashree Remo Fernandes , Mr Manohar Parrikar , Dr Oscar Rebello , Mr Sandesh Prabhudesai, Mr Bosco D'Mello,Mr Churchill Alemao, Mr Pratapsinh Rane , Mr S C Jamir , Mrs Sonia Gandhi, Mr L K Advani and Mr Manmohan Singh. I have always first apologised for making an unsolicited call, then asked for permission to proceed and finally ended by offering my profuse thankfulness . Those who genuinely have the interests of Goa and the Goan peoples at heart have appreciated my phone calls . Those who are in this for their own interests and ego's may have not. B ) Whatever political stand I am taking is what I feel is the best option for Goa at present. My opinion may well be wrong and I am open to being convinced to abandon that stand and choose an alternative option ( provided this is done through civil dialogue and not abusive hogwash ) C ) I am aware that there are many grey areas which can be debated ad nauseam ( and will avoid getting involved in such issues ). However , while I am on Goanet , I will not tolerate blatant untruths ( and will continue to revive major items of misinformation from the archives ). Until and unless the person or persons responsible for these untruths engage in a sensible discussion or withdraw / clarify these statements , I intend to persist in my actions. It makes common sense that the onus to provide proof for a statement made lies on the person making it ( not on the individual questioning it ) D ) I am not beyond reproach by any means if I try to propagate similar falsehoods . If any such are brought to my notice , rather than defending the indefensible , I shall have the basic decency to withdraw my statement and / or apologise for my errors. E ) I feel Goanet is a very useful and powerful forum which can do much good for Goa and Goans if well utilised ( and I take this opportunity to thank Mr Herman Carneiro and the Goanet team for creating and maintaining it ). It is , however , being tarnished by a few vile propagandists infiltrating it ( and they need to be countered if we are to maintain this forum's credibilty ) luv and regards, anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml
Re: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular?
On 19/02/2008, Dr. U. G. Barad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Dotor Jose Colaco, 1: Yes, dotor, English is a difficult language to understand and correlate. 2: I wonder how Mountbatten intruded in this discussion! 3: But Dotor you preferred to taking up your condensed version of Vinay's post and ..In the bargain you created confusion for yourself and others in the net. 4: How about ending this with a saying: Scratch where it is required.. === jc's final response on this topic Dear Dr. Barad, * I do NOT write these posts as a physician - which I believe you are not. Grateful if you do not use the word Dr when quoting me on this forum. * Thank you for acknowledging the difficulties some of us face with the English language. * I too wonder how Mountbatten got into GoaNet ! * If you have intense pruritus (with desire to scratch) please NOT in public. * wrt the confusion - I'd say this Please do NOT misquote me and then do the Mountbatten duck! The following are NOT my responses to the points made by Mr. Natekar Stop Lying ...for heavens sake! jc examples of Dr. Barad misquoting jose colaco's responses http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-February/069459.html [1] Natekar wrote: Congress is much responsible for influx of migrants Jose Colaco's response: This is the opportunity for Mr. Natekar to name the corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians [2] Natekar wrote: Congress is shamelessly delaying carrying out death sentence ordered by Supreme Court Jose Colaco's response: I must advise Mr. Natekar of two facts of life. (a) As of Dec 1961,... [3] Natekar wrote: Congress filed blasphemous affidavit thru its ASI Jose Colaco's response: I am biased on this point. I oppose the Death Penalty [4] Natekar wrote: Congress announced ceasefire with naxals Jose Colaco's response: Please advise us about the Ram Sethu project ...
[Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular? + Facts v/s hearsay
Dear Dr. Anand, Inspite of your name, you do not seem to be a happy man! May be you should stop meddling with APOLITICAL and SECULAR groups and individuals ...or you may have SLIME on your hands ;-) Slime is a physical state of matter and NOT at all abusive, I believe, specially when used in the context of Stone-like substances, neither hard like diamonds nor soft like coal, to be useful to humankind. Don't sweat over it, either, ...lest you to become slimy like the apolitical secularists! ;-) Abuse is a subjective word. Some Goans in UK take offence to being called Indians or being called Indu in France. I guess you consider my writing that someone was weak in English as abusive as others found the term 'fascist' for Congressmen. To each his own. So you are 6 weeks old in Goanet and already thinking of your way out. That is Broiler technolgy. Broilers lay no eggs that give rise to the next generation. Do hang on. The Indian cricket team did not return home because of the sledging Down Under: it continued to play cricket. Well, I have not tried to influence YOUR political opinion as you have tried to influence mine ... by persistent phone calls to my mobile phone number in last year to drum up support for Mathany and through him to Parrikar. Go ahead and deny it. It matters not one whit to me. Sour grapes? I will expose the WRONG whether it is Manohar-bab coming piggy back on GMAS or Matanhy using the YFG for political ends or Digu-bab justifying the police excess in the house of Babush Monserrate. I have been abused at public meetings ... and even from the Church pulpit in my own parish ... but I care a damn for all that. Only truth matters. Nothing else. Shed your innocent mask and reveal yourself to be a Parrikar supporter in the closet trying to get Christao support for a BJP-led dispensation. Manohar Parrikar is no enemy of mine. I count Babush D'Souza and Narahari Haldankar among friends. Congressmen are not my enemies either. I am not the type that run with the hares and hunt with the foxes. If you have the courage file a RTI application and get the GPSC recruitment information, religion and caste wise [SC, ST and OBCs are listed, attach caste certificates and get reservations, so that is no sweat]. Let the statistics talk for itself. We will work on the SC, Maratha, Devidasi Kunbi, Velip, Gawdi and Bhandari component of the top cadre posts in the Goa Civil Service AFTER you have the statistics. To the credit of the BJP, I will say that they took affirmative action on declaring Gawdi-Kunbi-Velip-Dangar [GaKuVeD] as Schedule Tribes and succeeded in getting the first three through from OBC to ST status. Today, GaKuVes can lay rightful claim to 12 % reservation in jobs and to at least FOUR Constituencies in the Goa Legislative Assembly. Perhaps, one Lok Sabha seat will get reserved for ST, too. It will be great to see 12 % of the Directors of Departments in Goa General Administration and 12% of the Under-Secretaries hailing from the ranks of the ST. I am for affirmative action. Mog asundi Miguel Message: 2 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:58:07 + From: anand virgincar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular ? Miguel-bab said :The Goanet is an open forum. You are entitled to your views ...and to persisit with them, irrespective of whether they are right or not. Forget about trying to brow beat me on Goanet. Stronger persons have tried and failed. I have been around for half a dozen years. I say : 1 ) I agree that Goanet is an open forum . But that does not mean you , I or anyone can use abusive language 2 ) I am not trying to browbeat you . I have made some requests in a civil manner. The fact that you may have been contributing massively to Goanet for 6 years and I have been on it for less than 6 weeks with nought to show for it is irrelevant. 3 ) The reason I am persisting with this increasingly meaningless conversation is because : i ) You have persistently tried to influence political opinon against one political party / individual while holding a post of importance in what claims to be an apolitical organisation. ii ) Infinitely more serious, is the possibility that , in your unfestered enthusiasm to do the above , you may have overstepped the threshold when you alleged that there is ORGANISED AND INSTITUTIONAL DISCRIMINATION in Goa on religious and caste grounds with respect to employment opportunities. If true , this needs to be pursued at the highest level . If false , it is malicious and inflammatory ( and needs to be clarified urgently ) regards, anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) Message: 3 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:53:11 + From: anand virgincar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Facts v/s Hearsay Back to me : In my short goanet career so far , I have already been the subject of vicious abuse from multiple sources ( as have you
[Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular ?
Dear Vinay-bab, Thank you for responding. I was wondering why you were being represented by an incompetent proxy ...who has his own axe to grind [not Parashuram's axe] ;-) My points are interpersed below for convenience. Nothing personal about it. If it is not too much bother, I would prefer if you spelt my name MIGUEL. then I would know for sure that I am being addressed. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:02:46 +0300 From: Vinay Natekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular ? I am responding below only to relevant points which Mingel answered to my post. I have ignored rest of his rant. Miguel wrote: It appears to be rather obvious that Vinay not only does not know party politics and polemics in Goa, Vinay's Response: When you are master of Goan politics what are you doing here on Goanet you should have begged Congress Party ticket and contested election in Mhapusa alongwith NCP candidate Ryan Braganza. You might have put some dent in Francisco Desouza's vote tally even if you could not have saved your Deposit. COMMENT: I will NOT stand for elections. I will remain a social activist. That is a conscious decision I have made. In fact, I am even trying to convince Floriano Lobo to give up politics. His core competence is activism. Besides, I NEVER beg. When I have a fellow Gaunkar of Mapusa, fellow alumni and friend as the MLA of Mapusa, why do I need to contest. So what if he belongs to the BJP now? and so what if his votebank is in Ektanagar, Ghateshwar colony and other notionally Communidade properties. If Ryan wants to follow his father's footsteps, he is free to do so. That is not where I will go. Should I decide to contest, I will do so when victory is assured. My mother won Municipal elections in a MGP-backed panel[against a two-time Chairperson of MMC, at that] without stepping out of the house ...and being a voter in another ward altogether. Our family has NEVER been Congress supporters, though I have voted for Babush when he contested on a Congress or Goa Congress ticket, too. Parties really do not matter in Goa. Ask Digu Kaka or Babu Azgaokar or Pandurang Madkaikar where they were on 26 January, 2005. You can ask the same question to some BJP men by changing the date to 1999 ;-) Vinay's comment:The rise of the BJP was also because it offered a full alternative to the decrepit arrogance of the Congress Party. COMMENT: Replacing one arrogance with another is not a solution ...as India Shining proved beyond doubt. The rise of Mayawati is a pointer that INCLUSIVENESS works best. That was the strength of Congress ONCE UPON A TIME. Miguel wrote: That the Congress has ruled over India for 50 years says something for its staying power. Why did the shine go out of the BJP in just one term of 5 years? Vinay's Response: The BJP is proud of its achievements and record in government at the center in just 5 Years. The NDA unfortunately lost the general election of 2004. A margin of only seven seats displaced the BJP as the single largest party in the Lok Sabha. This was a setback but it has not eroded the BJP's position as the premier democratic organization. COMMENT: I did not know you were a spokeman for the BJP. Mea culpa ;-) If the waterin the pool is upto one's nose, one can suvive. There after, every millimeter matters. So also in electoral arithematics. See what happened to GDA with 20 MLAs last July. What DEMOCRACY are you talking about in the BJP? Not that the Congress or NCP has any. Only the Shiv Sena is clear about what it is. ;-) Miguel wrote: BTW on whose votes did Manohar-bab win in Panaji? Vinay's Response: The prudent catholic voters have whole heartedly supported Manohar Parrikar in Panaji. COMMENT: Prudent or Pepsodent ...catholics voted for Manohar -bab of the BJP, not Congress ;-). Thank you for accepting that. Miguel wrote: Educational performance of Goans do not show such caste and religious differences, why do Government departments do even under the Congress? Vinay's Response: It is common notion of proportion. Hindus are 65% of total population so how you expect them to constitute in disproportionately lower ratio in Govt dept jobs ? COMMENT: Do not lump the Bhandaris and Marathas with the Vaishyas, Daivaidnya Brahmans and Saraswats. Let us consider as Hindu those who can enter the garbha griha of ANY [or most] Hindu temples. I am talking of religion, not political umbrellas of convenience. Then let us reconcile the statistics of employment in the Goa Civil Service cadres. Regards Vinay Mog asundi Miguel -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
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Miguel-bab said :The Goanet is an open forum. You are entitled to your views ...and to persisit with them, irrespective of whether they are right or not. Forget about trying to brow beat me on Goanet. Stronger persons have tried and failed. I have been around for half a dozen years. I say : 1 ) I agree that Goanet is an open forum . But that does not mean you , I or anyone can use abusive language in our interaction with others and / or make blatantly false statements. If at all I happen to do either , I would have the decency to apologise and withdraw my statements. 2 ) I am not trying to browbeat you . I have made some requests in a civil manner. The fact that you may have been contributing massively to Goanet for 6 years and I have been on it for less than 6 weeks with nought to show for it is irrelevant. 3 ) The reason I am persisting with this increasingly meaningless conversation is because : i ) You have persistently tried to influence political opinon against one political party / individual while holding a post of importance in what claims to be an apolitical organisation. ii ) Infinitely more serious, is the possibility that , in your unfestered enthusiasm to do the above , you may have overstepped the threshold when you alleged that there is ORGANISED AND INSTITUTIONAL DISCRIMINATION in Goa on religious and caste grounds with respect to employment opportunities. If true , this needs to be pursued at the highest level . If false , it is malicious and inflammatory ( and needs to be clarified urgently ) 3) You have still not answered my relevant , reasonable and specific questions ( to answer which would take a fraction of the time you have expended in heaping abuse on me and digging a progressively deeper hole for yourself ) I append my previous posting and request you to do the needful. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-February/069551.html regards, anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) _ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx
[Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular?
Dear Dotor Jose Colaco, Yes, dotor, English is a difficult language to understand and correlate. And certainly it's difficult for a person correlating two or three messages at one go. And certainly English is difficult for translating famous Konkani phrases / sayings in English. And certainly English becomes more difficult when someone remembers Mountbatten while writing in English and doing cut and paste jobs. This third line I can use here because neither Mr. Vinay Natekar nor I used the word - Mountbatten - while discussing on the post titled - Is Congress party Secular?! I wonder how Mountbatten intruded in this discussion! Any way you proved all this at one go!! I can understand English being difficult language mistake got committed in your message no. 11, dated Sun, 17 Feb 2008, Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 193. Dotor, if you were to add your new responses against my message no 8, dated Sun, 17 Feb 2008 that appeared in Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 192 on this very subject every thing would have been brought out very clearly as to who has written what? But Dotor you preferred to taking up your condensed version of Vinay's post and tried to cut past my response to forward it along with your new responses and gave a new twist to the message. In the bargain you created confusion for yourself and others in the net. As for typo mistake I think net members are wise enough to read with required correction(s). How about ending this with a saying: Scratch where it is required.. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
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Dear Dr. Anand, The Goanet is an open forum. You are entitled to your views ...and to persisit with them, irrespective of whether they are right or not. It is not my concern. I will only respond to such points as I deem fit. Like it or lump it, it is the Goanet Admin that decides, not You and not I. I wrote: Vinay used the word FASCIST to describe the Congress. It is definitely malaprop ;-) If you disagree, post your rebuttal, or hold your peace. I do not know if Vinay has appointed you as his advocate. There has been no mention to this effect. When I wrote, I am NOT about to debate GBA with you. Come to Goa, settle down here and then talk politics. I was speaking for myself. YOU can go ahead and discuss the issues with whoever is willing to discuss it with you on Goanet or otherwise. You will recall that you have used a lot of my time in telephonic discussions , too. Why are you trying to create an NRI constituency against me on Goanet? I have no problems with NRIs discussing Goan politics as long as they, unlike you, do not expect ME to remain engaged in discussing it with them. Forget about trying to brow beat me on Goanet. Stronger persons have tried and failed. I have been around for half a dozen years ...and even made a very unpopular statement [then] about Charter tourism being a drain on our economy and a strain on our infrastructure. This point is now well accepted even in tourism circles. I am NOT standing for elections and so popularity is not an issue with me. Truth is. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:52:26 + From: anand virgincar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular ? Dear Miguel-bab, My sincere apologies for approaching you again to seek enlightenment. I am , however , compelled to do so as in spite of repeated perusals of your response , I fail to find the answers to the specific and fairly reasonable queries I have raised . I append the questions again at the end of this post. I intend to persist in re-posting these questions ( and any others that may arise from your responses like the present one ) till one of the following logical end points are reached : i) Satisfactory answers are obtained. ii) Your other commitments prevent you from continuing your valued presence on Goanet iii) The Goanet moderators feel justified in closing this discussion. In response to your current mailing : MB says : Vinay used the word FASCIST to describe the Congress. It is definitely malaprop ;-) AV says : That is your opinion . You are entitled to it and I respect it ( which does not mean I agree with it ). This is not , however , what you said to Mr V. Natekar in his your reply to him . MB says : You can have your relatives to apply RTI for the name, religion and caste/tribe/class of the candidates selected by GPSC for just Rs.10/- We will discuss that later. AV says : Thanks for the kind advice . Perhaps I have already obtained the info I need from necessary sources. I have not , however, asked you to prove your point ( yet ). MB says :I am NOT about to debate GBA with you. Come to Goa, settle down here and then talk politics. It is easy to day dream from afar. One cannot eat English cake and discuss the flavour of Goycho pao ani kallchikoddi. AV says : I have not asked you to discuss GBA . I have requested you to provide specific answers to specific questions. A simple yes or no may well sufficeI raise STRONG objections to your comments regarding my not being permitted to discuss politics on this forum because I am not based in Goa . I request you to either : i) Witdraw your comment forthwith and publicly on this forum. OR ii ) Make an identically worded comment addressing every non resident on this forum who is involved or has been involved in the past in similar discussions. I will persist on this issue as well until the above end points are reached. May I also gently remind the author that I am still awaiting his learnedresponse apropos the elementary questions I posed in the apolitical v/s political thread. regards, anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) _ -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
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I am responding below only to relevant points which Mingel answered to my post. I have ignored rest of his rant. Mingel wrote: It appears to be rather obvious that Vinay not only does not know party politics and polemics in Goa, but that he is also weak in English. One should not use words one does not understand. It impresses no one. Response: Dear Professor Mingel, Thanks for your discovery about my lack of knowledge of Goan politics and in your opinion polemics as well. When you are master of Goan politics what are you doing here on Goanet you should have begged Congress Party ticket and contested election in Mhapusa alongwith NCP candidate Ryan Braganza. You might have put some dent in Francisco Desouza's vote tally even if you could not have saved your Deposit. Regarding weakness of my English, this language is neither my mother tongue nor yours. So instead of straining your wits better try to understand the context what I want to convey. Secondly I believe I have not done my C.A. in romi konkani. Regarding my use of word for Congress party as Fascist I stand by it and can provide you a dozens of instances to prove my stance. The rise of the BJP was not only due to the rabble rousing rhetoric of the Hindu nationalism that it propounded, but also because it offered a full alternative to the decrepit arrogance of the Congress Party led by the Gandhi family caucus which believed they were like the Emperor-Gods of pre Mughal era. This had lead to a bloated culture of one party rule, resulting in Nehru-Gandhi family leaders, dispensing licences and fiefdoms and sewing the seeds of India's degradation in order to preserve its own powerhouse. Mingel wrote: That the Congress has ruled over India for 50 years says something for its staying power. Why did the shine go out of the BJP in just one term of 5 years? Response: The BJP is proud of its achievements and record in government at the center in just 5 Years. The party was inspired by the leadership of Vajpayee the undisputed and charismatic leader who took BJP to great heights. The NDA unfortunately lost the general election of 2004. A margin of only seven seats displaced the BJP as the single largest party in the Lok Sabha. This was a setback but it has not eroded the BJP's position as the premier democratic organization over others being family managed run citadels. Mingel wrote: BTW on whose votes did Manohar-bab win in Panaji? Not catholic votes by any chance? On whose votes did Rajendra Arlekar, Babush D'Souza, Prakash Phadte and some other BJP guys win? Are their constituencies not migrant dominated when it comes to votes polled? Response: Don't apply your vacuous presumptions without doing a proper ground survey. The prudent catholic voters have whole heartedly supported Manohar Parrikar in Panaji. The migrant votes have always been stronghold of Congress since that party was in power for most of the time and is in better position to buy their votes. Mingel wrote: Educational performance of Goans do not show such caste and religious differences, why do Government departments do even under the Congress? Response: It is common notion of proportion. Hindus are 65% of total population so how you expect them to constitute in disproportionately lower ratio in Govt dept jobs ? Regards Vinay
[Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular ?
I have been around for half a dozen years ...andeven made a very unpopular statement [then] about Charter tourismbeing a drain on our economy and a strain on our infrastructure. Thispoint is now well accepted even in tourism circles. I am NOT standingfor elections and so popularity is not an issue with me. Truth is.Mog asundi. Miguel Come again? Why was the statement about charter tourism 'unpopular' on goanet? Since when is its being a drain on our economy and strain on our infrastrcuture well accepted even in tourism circles? And what is the incomplete bit about Truth is at the end? The fact is that charter tourists (those who arrive here by charter flights) account for about 200,000 bodies a year. This is half the total number of foreign tourists. And as against this the total number of tourists in Goa are reportedly over 2.5 million. So if charter tourists are a strain and drain as you believe then tourism as a whole is even bigger on this score. Are you suggesting that if we put a stop to charter tourism then we can put a stop to ALL tourism? Is that what even tourist circles have accepted? They must be crazy! Or are you saying there is something particularly pernicious about charter tourism vis a vis the infrastructure and the economy? Teach us something new. :)
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Dear Miguel-bab, My sincere apologies for approaching you again to seek enlightenment. I am , however , compelled to do so as in spite of repeated perusals of your response , I fail to find the answers to the specific and fairly reasonable queries I have raised . I append the questions again at the end of this post. I intend to persist in re-posting these questions ( and any others that may arise from your responses like the present one ) till one of the following logical end points are reached : i) Satisfactory answers are obtained. ii) Your other commitments prevent you from continuing your valued presence on Goanet iii) The Goanet moderators feel justified in closing this discussion. In response to your current mailing : MB says : Vinay used the word FASCIST to describe the Congress. It is definitely malaprop ;-) AV says : That is your opinion . You are entitled to it and I respect it ( which does not mean I agree with it ). This is not , however , what you said to Mr V. Natekar in his your reply to him . You have questioned his knowledge of party politics and polemics in Goa and raised doubts about his language skills . Unless you can verify these statements ,the content as well as he derogatory words used amount to unprovoked personal abuse and I request you to apologise to him on this forum . I shall persist in demanding a public apology till similar end points as above are met. MB says : You can have your relatives to apply RTI for the name, religion and caste/tribe/class of the candidates selected by GPSC for just Rs.10/- We will discuss that later. AV says : Thanks for the kind advice . Perhaps I have already obtained the info I need from necessary sources. I have not , however, asked you to prove your point ( yet ). I have requested you to confirm that you stand by the allegations you have made. MB says :I am NOT about to debate GBA with you. Come to Goa, settle down here and then talk politics. It is easy to day dream from afar. One cannot eat English cake and discuss the flavour of Goycho pao ani kallchi koddi. AV says : I have not asked you to discuss GBA . I have requested you to provide specific answers to specific questions. A simple yes or no may well suffice ( I reproduce my original mailing below ) http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-February/068751.html I raise STRONG objections to your comments regarding my not being permitted to discuss politics on this forum because I am not based in Goa . I request you to either : i) Witdraw your comment forthwith and publicly on this forum. OR ii ) Make an identically worded comment addressing every non resident on this forum who is involved or has been involved in the past in similar discussions. I will persist on this issue as well until the above end points are reached.APPENDIX : My unanswered questions from previous posting :I see that the author has made certain fairly sensitive allegations some direct ...others implied.I humbly request him to : i) Re-check this brief excerpt from his manuscript for any typing or other errors . ii) If there are no significant alterations deemed necessary , could he pleasereply to this message confirming that he stands by the above statements ? May I also gently remind the author that I am still awaiting his learned response apropos the elementary questions I posed in the apolitical v/s political thread. regards, anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) _ Telly addicts unite! http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml
[Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular?
Dear Dr. Barad, If you recall, Indira Gandhi was an elected Prime Minister in a Parliamentary form of democracy. If you remember, she was not shot dead at the end of the Emergency. It has been reported that Operation Blue Star in a NON-Emergency era was the cuase for her killing. Quo vadis, Fascist? The Janata Party with a strong opponent of Indira Gandhi since 1969 organisational split of the Congress into O and R groups, Moraji Desai , as PM ruled India from 1977 to 1980. so why was the reservation for SC/ST not terminated by them. Chips of the old block? Well, we had the BJP in power for a cool five years [or almost five years]. Why was this RESERVATION POLICY not terminated then? Obviously, for the same reason why Ram Janmabhoomi temple was not built in Ayodhya ...POLITICS of the conveninces. Ab Kalia kya karega, Sarkar?? Mog asundi. Miguel Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:43:15 +0530 From: Dr. U. G. Barad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular? Moderators of Goanet, please allow me for little lengthily message. Sat, 16 Feb 2008 from Vinay Natekar under Subject: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular? Sat, 16 Feb 2008 from Dr. Jose Colaco. My response: Fascism to be a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. Natekar wrote: It has ruled for over 50 years of post independence out of 60 years by keeping people uneducated and illiterate and dividing Hindus and minority religions on communal basis, and further divided majority Hindu community by their ludicrous reservation policies thereby deepening caste biases and exploiting them for garnering their vote bank by instigating insecurity and fear psychosis in their minds. Barad's comment: Dr. Ambedkar, the father of constitution, had made a special provision within constitution which was applicable for 15 years from the date of acceptance of constitution of India that India government would put in special efforts to educate and uplift the SC/ST and there after this special provision will laps. But what did Congress do? Under the pretext of uplifting poor SC/ST they siphoned the money to their bank balance and yet continued to extend the special provision to nearly 60 year and beyond! Not only is this they have now included Other Backward Classes (OBC) also in the special provisions defeating the very purpose of Dr. Ambedkar thinking! You call this development? I think Natekar is right. What you are citing is just a handful of example which has got no meaning in the context. -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
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Dear Dr.Anand Virgincar, Vinay used the word FASCIST to describe the Congress. It is definitely malaprop ;-) You can have your relatives in Margao or other parts of Goa to apply to the Goa Public Service Commission under the Right to Information Act [RTI] for the name, religion and caste/tribe/class [all as per the application form] of the candidates selected by GPSC over the last five years for the Goa Civil Service cadre and various other departments in Class I and Class II Gazetted posts. that will give you the information for just Rs.10/- and 30 days wait. We will discuss that later. Right now I am in the process of exposing the MYTH of Konkani teaching IN GOAN SCHOOLS and the impact of the OFFICIAL LANGUAGE ACT,1987. I have got some very interesting data ...thanks again to the RTI. I am NOT about to debate GBA with you. Come to Goa, settle down here and then talk politics. It is easy to day dream from afar. One cannot eat English cake and discuss the flavour of Goycho pao ani kallchi koddi. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:52:05 + From: anand virgincar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular ? Miguel-bab says :It appears to be rather obvious that Vinay not only does not know party politics and polemics in Goa, but that he is also weak in English. One should not use words one does not understand. It impresses no one. During the Congress regime disproportionate number of Hindus were appointed by cash. This is the reality. No proof can be provided of the transactions, only the statistics are available. Manohar-bab has quoted them to show he has not really altered the ratio of employment according to religion. Or let somebody show me that even 25% of the officers, cadre wise, in any Government Department are catholics. 26.5 % of Goans are catholic. In the Senior Class I Gazetted p osts, it is even difficult to find Bhandari and Maratha officers. Educational performance of Goans do not show such caste and religious differences, why do Government departments do even under the Congress? I say : I see that the author has made certain fairly sensitive allegations above, some direct ...others implied. i) Re-check this brief excerpt from his manuscript for any typing or other errors . ii) If there are no significant alterations deemed necessary , could he please reply to this message confirming that he stands by the above statements ? ( After all , this information is being disseminated to several thousands over the globe , some of whom are not conversant with the ground reality in Goa ...unlike the esteemed author ) May I also gently remind the author that I am still awaiting his learned response ( in his capacity as the flag bearer of the apolitical lobby on this forum going by his voluminous previous discourses on the issue ) apropos the elementary questions I posed in the political v/s apolitical thread. Lesser mortals like me cannot understand words like apolitical and are entirely dependent on the infinitely gifted such as the author for enlightnment. luv and regards, anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
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Dears, It appears to be rather obvious that Vinay not only does not know party politics and polemics in Goa, but that he is also weak in English. One should not use words one does not understand. It impresses no one. I hold no brief for Digamber. Digamber was a great guy for the BJP and was Manohar-bab's No.2 man [and Digu did get him into that, too!] till 28 January 2005. He is still cosy with the RSS but the rest of the BJP can take a walk or fall at his feet and prosper as plenty of former manohar-bab acolytes have already done. Moti Dongor voted for Digu when he was in the BJP ...otherwise check the poll statistics for 2002 mid-term elections, after the first dose of benevolent BJP without the VCD or IFFI or underground power cables in Margao. That the Congress has ruled over India for 50 years says something for its staying power. Why did the shine go out of the BJP in just one term of 5 years? What happened to Ram Janmabhoomi when the BJP was in power? Who conceived the Ram-Sethu channel? If anyone has to take the rap on the knuckles, it is the BJP: it has betrayed its constituency!! Only Narendra Modi has dared to be different ...and won the support of his constituency. He may not be the type of man I would vote for but, to his constituency, he has delivered on his promises. L.K. Advani lacks the guts to deliver on the Ayodhya temple now as he did earlier. In Pakistan he also praised Jinnah. What else he may not do?ay even become a gospel singer if Obama is the President of USA!! BTW on whose votes did Manohar-bab win in Panaji? Not catholic votes by any chance?? On whose votes did Rajendra Arlekar, Babush D'Souza, Prakash Phadte and some other BJP guys win? Are their constituencies not migrant dominated when it comes to votes polled? What laws were put in place by the two successive Manohar-bab led Governments to keep the migrants out of Goa, voters lists, employment or casual labour in Goa? Four and half years is a long time. To which contractors were tyhe IFFI projects given? Goan? Catholic? Bhandari? or So Nos e nossa familia ?? [Just us and our family] There is a dichotomy between the Church taught morality and the ground reality: during the BJP regime disproportionate number of Hindus were appointed by favour. During the Congress regime disproportionate number of Hindus were appointed by cash. This is the reality. No proof can be provided of the transactions, only the statistics are available. Manohar-bab has quoted them to show he has not really altered the ratio of employment according to religion. Or let somebody show me that even 25% of the officers, cadre wise, in any Government Department are catholics. 26.5 % of Goans are catholic. In the Senior Class I Gazetted posts, it is even difficult to find Bhandari and Maratha officers. Educational performance of Goans do not show such caste and religious differences, why do Government departments do even under the Congress? Corruption and communalism are two sides of the coin that connects you .. through the coin box ... to a government job! The BJP shows the head while the Congress shows the tail of the coin. It is the same coin. The other side does not cease becuase you are not currently seeing it. Digamber Kamat and Babu Azgaokar have been in the BJP coin box cabinet; Babush D'Souza has been in ALL types of Congress ...INC, GC, GRC, GPC, etc. They have turned the coin over for NOW! ;-) Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:02:44 -0500 From: J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular ? , On 16/02/2008, Vinay Natekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1: Congress is the biggest fascist and communal party 2: It has ruled for over 50 years of post independence out of 60 years by keeping people uneducated and illiterate 3: In Goa Congress has succeeded in imbibing a permanent imprint on mindset of catholic population that BJP is a communal and Hindu's party. 4: Thus even knowing that Congress party is filled with corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians, they stand by them and elect them repeatedly. 5: Congress is much responsible for influx of migrants in Goa by legalizing their slum settlements with electricity connections, providing them with ration and voter cards to improve their vote tally which has disturbed the demographic scenario in the state. jc's comments: re 1: I wonder if Mr. Natekar looked up the meaning of the word 'fascist' - a term which goes hand in hand with 'ultra-nationalist' parties. re 2: This is a blatant lie. IF there is one thing good the Congress did - it was to make education and opportunities available to the masses of the poor of India. re 3: I am not sure that one can imbibe something on another. I always thought that the word imbibe denoted self. Having said that I invite Mr. Natekar to expand on that thought. re 4: This is the opportunity
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Since, I am a student, I shall classify Vinay Natekar's premises as true or false :-) 1. Congress is the biggest fascist and communal party who came to power at the center and some states including Goa by divide and rule policy inherited from the colonial British rule. Fascist - False. Communal - False. (Depending on how you look at the word 'communal'. I don't think it is communal religion-wise, but it plays a big role in widening the gap between the rich and the poor. Divide and rule - No idea. 2. It has ruled for over 50 years of post independence out of 60 years by keeping people uneducated and illiterate and dividing Hindus and minority religions on communal basis, and further divided majority Hindu community by their ludicrous reservation policies thereby deepening caste biases and exploiting them for garnering their vote bank by instigating insecurity and fear psychosis in their minds. I don't know about dividing Hindus, but the rest of the statement, TRUE. Fear psychosis - True. 3. In Goa Congress has succeeded in imbibing a permanent imprint on mindset of catholic population that BJP is a communal and Hindu's party. Thus even knowing that Congress party is filled with corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians, they stand by them and elect them repeatedly. I'm not sure if the Congress has 'imbibed' that mindset, but that mindset definitely exists, and reasonably so. The BJP is no doubt communal and a Hindu's party. Ref: Argumentative Indian - Dr.Amartya Sen (Chapter 6: The Rise of Hindutva) Catholic people re-elect them even after knowing that they are corrupt, tainted and scandalous: Absolutely TRUE! But then, what's their option? And let me add that the words 'corrupt', 'tainted', and 'scandalous' were framed with the Goan Congress ministers in mind. You apparently can't tolerate them, and neither can I. 4. Congress is much responsible for influx of migrants in Goa by legalizing their slum settlements with electricity connections, providing them with ration and voter cards to improve their vote tally which has disturbed the demographic scenario in the state. Similarly Congress and its partner Communist has also aided millions of Bangladeshis who have infiltrated illegally to settle largely in Assam, W.Bengal and Mumbai for their political gain. This trend has created the security risk to our country as evidenced in last year's bomb blasts in Hydrabad and U.P having Bangladeshi HUJI terrorist's involvement. Congress is much responsible?! Didn't understand that. If you meant to say, they are as much responsible as BJP, then I agree, wholeheartedly. 5. Congress is shamelessly delaying carrying out death sentence ordered by Supreme Court to Mohd Afzal the traitor who masterminded attack on parliament. The patriot Muslims in India will certainly want this terrorist to be hanged for attacking our nation. Is Congress trying to gratify Jehadis, or few radicals in Muslim Populace by dragging their feet in this execution ? TRUE. I was wondering on the same lines myself. 6. Congress filed blasphemous affidavit thru its ASI (Archeological Survey of India) regarding existence of Lord Ram to please its coalition partner DMK. Congress announced ceasefire with naxals who killed thousands of civilians and policemen to appease the Communist and Maoist comrades partners in rule. No idea about both these things. :-( 7. Can all these actions of Congress be called democratic or secular ? Congress have redefined the concept of democracy. From the most people-oriented government system in the world, to a cheating-mechanism. By the new definition, the Congress is democratic. Secular. Well, I've still got to make up my mind about that. -- Truth Liberates, Nigel Britto http://amicusnaturae.blogspot.com
[Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular ?
JC wrote: re 1: I wonder if Mr. Natekar looked up the meaning of the word 'fascist'. If he did, it is unlikely that he would have called a socialist party like Congress as being Fascist - a term which goes hand in hand with 'ultra-nationalist' parties. Vinay's Comments: Fascism is political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. This definition aptly implies to Congress Party who can not find a leader for its party and have to depend on Nehru / Gandhi dynasty. The Congress party, warped by the clutch of the Gandhi-Nehru bloodline and their harem of Eunuchs (also known as the Congress party committees and activists and petty leaders who lick Sonia's boots and think they have performed a pilgrimage ), is in the amazing position of having ossified into a feudalistic organisation whose life is the preservation of power of one family. What a descent! From the noble heights of the liberation struggle it has become the private vessel for a Mafioso to take what they deem as their power and due. They have the mentality of Neo-Mughals JC wrote : re 2: This is a blatant lie. IF there is one thing good the Congress did - it was to make education and opportunities available to the masses of the poor of India. Mr. Natekar may get hypertensive about this but the other entity which did this is the Catholic Education System which can boast (rightfully) of having providing solid education to individuals of ALL religions e.g. Ashok Chowgule (St.Paul's, Belgaum), Sandeep Heble (Don Bosco's Panjim), Parvez Musharraf LK Advani (St Patrick's, Karachi), Suresh Kalmadi (St Vincent's, Poona), Sunil Gavaskar (St Xavier's College, Bombay), etc etc Vinay's reply : All these exemplar above are elite Institutions which are out of bound for poor rural population and secondly these achievements are not of Congress party. India' progress lies not with few catholic English medium schools but providing basic education to rural masses which could make them differentiate between what is good and not good for betterment of their life. JC wrote : re 3: I am not sure that one can imbibe something on another. I always thought that the word imbibe denoted self. Having said that I invite Mr. Natekar to expand on that thought. Vinay's reply : Congress penetrated in to Goan politics by this theory of divide and rule. who initially replaced UGP by tagging MGP as communal and after fall of MGP they are now aiming BJP by their hate propaganda targeting particularly minority community for their vote bank. Congress party is surviving on love hate agenda. Compare development work done by Congress party in Goa for 20 years with that of just 4 years rule of BJP. JC wrote : re 4: This is the opportunity for Mr. Natekar to name the corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians that (Catholic) Goans elect repeatedly and with whom the BJP has NOT made convenient political alliances. For balance, he may wish to name other corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians with whom the BJP has made alliances. Vinay's reply : Ajgaokar Manohar, Angelo Fernandes, Dayanand Narvekar, Victoria Fernandes, Fransisco Silveira, Pandurang Madkaikar, Pratapsingh Rane, Ravi Naik, Mauvin Godhinho, Alexio Sequiera, Digambar Kamat, Filipe Nerry Rodrigues, Joaquim Alemao, Chandrakant Kavlekar Above are some of the the Congress MLA / Ministers's names. Can select from above who you think are not involved in any corrupt practice and you will have to vouch for it. (I have excluded Gurudas Gaus and Shyam Satardekar since they are relatively new in legislature and I have not much knowledge about them) Though I am a supporter of BJP , I agree with your view that BJP has made a blunder by aligning with some corrupt and scandalous politicians like Somnath Zuarkar, Babush Monseratte, Micy Pacheco, Chrchill Alemao. BJP should have preferred to stay out of power than to collaborate with such people to come to power which is a tradition of Congress. JC wrote : re 5: I must advise Mr. Natekar of two facts of life. (a) As of Dec 1961, every single Indian citizen has the Constitutional right to freely enter, move and reside in Goa. (b) the first initiator of migrant slum development in Goa was the MGP's Dayanand Bandodkar. Please vide Rajan Parrikar's picture of the slum in what is called Zuarinagar. The more recent mass movement of migrants has been facilitated by the Konkan Railway (Thank you George Fernandes). Now hit and run is like a piece of cake. The slum dwellers in Dongor apparently voted for Digambar Kamat when he contested on a BJP ticket. How does the Congress get the credit for this? and there was a plan for Cuncolim! Vinay's reply : I am not against total ban on migrants in Goa. We
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Moderators of Goanet, please allow me for little lengthily message. This is because unless I take both the issues that appeared in Goanet my comments would not make sense. Two issues in question are: Message: 5, dated Sat, 16 Feb 2008 from Vinay Natekar under Subject: [Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular? Visa vise Message: 4 dated: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 from Dr. Jose Colaco. Natekar wrote: Congress is the biggest fascist and communal party who came to power at the center and some states including Goa by divide and rule policy inherited from the colonial British rule. Dr. Jose Colaco's response: I wonder if Mr. Natekar looked up the meaning of the word 'fascist'. If he did, it is unlikely that he would have called a socialist party like Congress as being Fascist - a term which goes hand in hand with 'ultra-nationalist' parties. My response: May be Natekar used the definition as is given in the free dictionary on line which describes Fascism to be a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. Recall Indira Gandhi Who imposed EMERGENCY and put thousands to Jail..and also recall what her fate was thereafter!!! Natekar wrote: It has ruled for over 50 years of post independence out of 60 years by keeping people uneducated and illiterate and dividing Hindus and minority religions on communal basis, and further divided majority Hindu community by their ludicrous reservation policies thereby deepening caste biases and exploiting them for garnering their vote bank by instigating insecurity and fear psychosis in their minds. Dr. Jose Colaco's response: This is a blatant lie. IF there is one thing good the Congress did - it was to make education and opportunities available to the masses of the poor of India. Mr. Natekar may get hypertensive about this but the other entity which did this is the Catholic Education System which can boast (rightfully) of having providing solid education to individuals of ALL religions e.g. Ashok Chowgule (St.Paul's, Belgaum), Sandeep Heble (Don Bosco's Panjim), Parvez Musharraf LK Advani (St Patrick's, Karachi), Suresh Kalmadi (St Vincent's, Poona), Sunil Gavaskar (St Xavier's College, Bombay), etc etc My comment: Dr. Ambedkar, the father of constitution, had made a special provision within constitution which was applicable for 15 years from the date of acceptance of constitution of India that India government would put in special efforts to educate and uplift the SC/ST and there after this special provision will laps. But what did Congress do? Under the pretext of uplifting poor SC/ST they siphoned the money to their bank balance and yet continued to extend the special provision to nearly 60 year and beyond! Not only is this they have now included Other Backward Classes (OBC) also in the special provisions defeating the very purpose of Dr. Ambedkar thinking! You call this development? I think Natekar is right. What you are citing is just a handful of example which has got no meaning in the context. Natekar wrote: In Goa Congress has succeeded in imbibing a permanent imprint on mindset of catholic population that BJP is a communal and Hindu's party. Thus even knowing that Congress party is filled with corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians, they stand by them and elect them repeatedly. Dr. Jose Colaco's response: I am not sure that one can imbibe something on another. I always thought that the word imbibe denoted self. Having said that I invite Mr. Natekar to expand on that thought. My response: Let me expand this for your Dotor! This response is like pretending to be drinking milk (or butter milk) in a stainless steel Cup by seating under the coconut tree when one is actually drinking fenny!! What Natekar mentioned is absolutely true and that's what Congress has been taking advantage off. Please don't run away from truth!!! Natekar wrote: Congress is much responsible for influx of migrants in Goa by legalizing their slum settlements with electricity connections, providing them with ration and voter cards to improve their vote tally which has disturbed the demographic scenario in the state. Similarly Congress and its partner Communist has also aided millions of Bangladeshis who have infiltrated illegally to settle largely in Assam, W.Bengal and Mumbai for their political gain. This trend has created the security risk to our country as evidenced in last year's bomb blasts in Hydrabad and U.P having Bangladeshi HUJI terrorist's involvement. Dr. Jose Colaco's response: This is the opportunity for Mr. Natekar to name the corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians that (Catholic) Goans elect repeatedly and with whom the BJP has NOT made convenient political alliances. For balance, he may wish to name other corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians with whom the BJP has made alliances. My response: Dotor what
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This is in response to Dr. U. G. Barad [1] Natekar wrote: In Goa Congress has succeeded in imbibing a permanent imprint on mindset of catholic population ... jc's response: I am not sure that one can imbibe something on another. I always thought that the word imbibe denoted self. dr.udaybarad's response: Let me expand this for your Dotor! This response is like pretending to be drinking milk (or butter milk) in a stainless steel Cup by seating under the coconut tree when one is actually drinking fenny!! jc's response: Possible that English is a difficult language. [2] Natekar wrote: Congress is much responsible for influx of migrants in Goa by legalizing their slum settlements with electricity connections, etc etc According to dr.udaybarad this was my (jc's) response to the above from Mr. Natekar: This is the opportunity for Mr. Natekar to name the corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians that (Catholic) Goans elect repeatedly and with whom the BJP has NOT made convenient political alliances.etc etc jc's response: Please note that I am NOT related to the Mountbattens. Please do NOT misquote me. [3] Natekar wrote: Congress is shamelessly delaying carrying out death sentence ordered by Supreme Court to Mohd Afzal the traitor who masterminded attack on parliament. According to dr.udaybarad this was my (jc's) response to the above from Mr. Natekar: I must advise Mr. Natekar of two facts of life.etc etc Dr. Barad also added nor has he (Natekar) made a mansion of MGP rule in Goa.When twin tower was blast, under pretext, USA erased Afghanistan and later Iraq and Iraq's Sadam.what have you to say on this? Did you protest? No ..because it was initiated by while skin...I doesn't know whether you have affiliation to white skin or not.. jc's comment: Once again - your language difficulties having been noted, Please note that I am NOT related to the Mountbattens. Please do NOT misquote me. BTW: I do not wish to know whether or not Mr. Natekar made any mansion during MGP rule in Goa. I don't like mansions. I am a simple guy who lives in simple accommodation (:-) [4] Natekar wrote: Congress filed blasphemous affidavit thru its ASI (Archeological Survey of India) regarding existence of Lord Ram According to dr.udaybarad this was my (jc's) response to the above from Mr. Natekar:: I am biased on this point. I oppose the Death Penalty. jc's response: Please Dr. Barad, Please take a deep breath. Please do NOT misquote me. It is akin to someone in the medical/pharmacy business giving Anand the antibiotic meant for jose! Take your time. Don't rush. English is surely a difficult language - Mountbattens apart - Please read what you yourself are writing. [5] dr udaybarad added two other gems to which I will respond - with the hope that it just might help BARAD (a) you (jc) too moved back to Goanet after starting Colaco net and from this cite you are trying to give a call to Goans to visit Colaco Net! Surprising!! ? jc's response: Please accept my apologies if you do not know the difference between my simple little website i.e. http://www.colaco.net and a discussion mega-forum like GoaNet. BARAD(b) TOUNGE IN CHECK jc's response: Perhaps you should keep your FINGERS in CHECK They seem to be shooting in all directions. with a sincere hope that You will NOT misquote me again. Thank You in advance. jc PS: Mr Natekar and Dr Anand Virgincar have made some very good points in their posts - some of which I agree with. I will respond to them in individual posts later in this week. If I write too often on any given day, I might get all mixed up in my language and quotes. I do not wish to do that.
[Goanet] Is Congress Party Secular ?
Congress is the biggest fascist and communal party who came to power at the center and some states including Goa by divide and rule policy inherited from the colonial British rule. It has ruled for over 50 years of post independence out of 60 years by keeping people uneducated and illiterate and dividing Hindus and minority religions on communal basis, and further divided majority Hindu community by their ludicrous reservation policies thereby deepening caste biases and exploiting them for garnering their vote bank by instigating insecurity and fear psychosis in their minds. In Goa Congress has succeeded in imbibing a permanent imprint on mindset of catholic population that BJP is a communal and Hindu's party. Thus even knowing that Congress party is filled with corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians, they stand by them and elect them repeatedly. Congress is much responsible for influx of migrants in Goa by legalizing their slum settlements with electricity connections, providing them with ration and voter cards to improve their vote tally which has disturbed the demographic scenario in the state. Similarly Congress and its partner Communist has also aided millions of Bangladeshis who have infiltrated illegally to settle largely in Assam, W.Bengal and Mumbai for their political gain. This trend has created the security risk to our country as evidenced in last year's bomb blasts in Hydrabad and U.P having Bangladeshi HUJI terrorist's involvement. Congress is shamelessly delaying carrying out death sentence ordered by Supreme Court to Mohd Afzal the traitor who masterminded attack on parliament. The patriot Muslims in India will certainly want this terrorist to be hanged for attacking our nation. Is Congress trying to gratify Jehadis, or few radicals in Muslim Populace by dragging their feet in this execution ? Congress filed blasphemous affidavit thru its ASI (Archeological Survey of India) regarding existence of Lord Ram to please its coalition partner DMK. Congress announced ceasefire with naxals who killed thousands of civilians and policemen to appease the Communist and Maoist comrades partners in rule. Can all these actions of Congress be called democratic or secular ? Regards Vinay
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, On 16/02/2008, Vinay Natekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1: Congress is the biggest fascist and communal party 2: It has ruled for over 50 years of post independence out of 60 years by keeping people uneducated and illiterate 3: In Goa Congress has succeeded in imbibing a permanent imprint on mindset of catholic population that BJP is a communal and Hindu's party. 4: Thus even knowing that Congress party is filled with corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians, they stand by them and elect them repeatedly. 5: Congress is much responsible for influx of migrants in Goa by legalizing their slum settlements with electricity connections, providing them with ration and voter cards to improve their vote tally which has disturbed the demographic scenario in the state. 6: Congress is shamelessly delaying carrying out death sentence ordered by Supreme Court to Mohd Afzal the traitor who masterminded attack on parliament. 7: Congress filed blasphemous affidavit thru its ASI (Archeological Survey of India) regarding existence of Lord Ram to please its coalition partner DMK. jc's comments: re 1: I wonder if Mr. Natekar looked up the meaning of the word 'fascist'. If he did, it is unlikely that he would have called a socialist party like Congress as being Fascist - a term which goes hand in hand with 'ultra-nationalist' parties. re 2: This is a blatant lie. IF there is one thing good the Congress did - it was to make education and opportunities available to the masses of the poor of India. Mr. Natekar may get hypertensive about this but the other entity which did this is the Catholic Education System which can boast (rightfully) of having providing solid education to individuals of ALL religions e.g. Ashok Chowgule (St. Paul's, Belgaum), Sandeep Heble (Don Bosco's Panjim), Parvez Musharraf LK Advani (St Patrick's, Karachi), Suresh Kalmadi (St Vincent's, Poona), Sunil Gavaskar (St Xavier's College, Bombay), etc etc re 3: I am not sure that one can imbibe something on another. I always thought that the word imbibe denoted self. Having said that I invite Mr. Natekar to expand on that thought. re 4: This is the opportunity for Mr. Natekar to name the corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians that (Catholic) Goans elect repeatedly and with whom the BJP has NOT made convenient political alliances. For balance, he may wish to name other corrupt, tainted and scandalous politicians with whom the BJP has made alliances. re 5: I must advise Mr. Natekar of two facts of life. (a) As of Dec 1961, every single Indian citizen has the Constitutional right to freely enter, move and reside in Goa. (b) the first initiator of migrant slum development in Goa was the MGP's Dayanand Bandodkar. Please vide Rajan Parrikar's picture of the slum in what is called Zuarinagar. The more recent mass movement of migrants has been facilitated by the Konkan Railway (Thank you George Fernandes). Now hit and run is like a piece of cake. The slum dwellers in Dongor apparently voted for Digambar Kamat when he contested on a BJP ticket. How does the Congress get the credit for this? and there was a plan for Cuncolim! re 6: I am biased on this point. I oppose the Death Penalty. I also believe that state killing creates martyrs out of bandits and increases the level of violence which then kills innocents. BTW: There were many bandits operating in and around pre-1961 Goa. They attacked civilian targets - only to later proclaim themselves as Freedom Fighters. Please view the footnote of this article http://www.colaco.net/1/India-ter.htm re 7: Please advise us about the Ram Sethu project esp wrt WHICH party was in govt when the project was approved Nuff said for now jc
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http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by an Anonymous Donor Dr. U. G. Barad wrote: At a public function on last Sunday, one of the speakers read out the list of corruption cases involving ruling congress party in Goa. The list was exhaustive. Some of the corruption charges were: All these charges only go to prove that congress leaders are self-centered, uncommitted, dishonest and most corrupt. With all these charges being proved beyond doubts, general public must teach congress party a lesson in the up coming assembly election. === jc's response: When I look back at the Bandodkar days, I have to conclude that despite all the dadagiri and chora-chori allegedly going on during those days - those were still the good old days. Even so, Goans of the time (unaccustomed to this hera-pheri hitherto) were quite shocked by the stuff that MG chaps were doing. I have to accept Bernado Colaco's point. It appears, from what Dr. Barad writes, that things have gone from bad to worse. It is almost (as Floriano Lobo calls it) Alibaba ani 40 chors. Having said that I ask these questions: 1: How can charges alone PROVE that anybody is corrupt? 2: On what basis does Dr. Barad write that all these charges (are) proved beyond doubt? If these charges HAVE been proven beyond doubt, what did the courts sentence the guilty to? Is the promise of gol-maal and hera-pheri the main incentive to liberate a people? Wonder if this shines some light on Chandrakant Keni's disquiet about the lack of true celebration of Liberation Day. Lambert Mascarenhas once wrote about Goa ..Sorrowing lies my land (under that no good dictator Salazar). How is the 'land' doing today, Lambert? I know, I know, I know Goans are free today. Free to speak out, criticise and vote. jc
Re: [Goanet] Bamboozle Congress Party
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro Dear Goan netizens, FIRSTLY i SHOULD CONGRATULATE EVERY GOAN AROUND THE GLOBE ( WHETHER HE WAS WITH IT OR NOT ) FOR SHOWING THE STRENGHTH OF THE PEOPLE AND GETTING THE DE-NITIFYING OF THE REGIONAL PLAN. THIS SHOULD NOT ONLY BE AN EYE OPENER TO THE VARIOUS POLITICAL PARTIES IN GOA, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE TOO,THEY HAVE THE POWER ALL THEY NEED IS TO AWAKE AND ARISE CONGRATS DEAR BROTHERS, IT WAS GREAR, AND LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST ALL THE MEMBERS OF GBA, SPECIALLY ARIES FOR THE HARDSHIP, INSULTS AND SCORN HE FACED WHILE FIGHTING FOR HIS RIGHT, MAY BE THE REGIONAL PLAN OR ANOTHERDO KEEP IT UP ARIES ROD... BUT THEN WHAT'S NEXT? HAVE YOU VISUALIZED THE GOA FOR TOMORROW, ? HAVE YOU THOUGHT , IN WHOSE HANDS WOULD YOU PLACE THE REIGNS ? (I HAVE NO SUGGESTIONS THOUGH ) BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE A TOTAL 40 NEW FACES, NONE OF THE OLDIES WOULD DO, EXCEPT MANOHAR PARRIKAR, WHO I BELIVE IS THE RIGHT MAN IN THE WRONG PARTY, HE MAKES A ONE MAN PARTY, HAS GREAT POTENTIAL, BUT SHOULD NOW STAND ALONE, OR FIND ANORTHER SOLUTION, ANYWAY, GOOD LUCK FOR THE FUTURE TOO. RGDS. RAJU GONSALVES. --- Dr. U. G. Barad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro To sponsor Goanet operations, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] One feels sorry at the state of affairs of Congress Party rule in Goa. Ever since they came back to power dethroning BJP within 2 years they proved general public their money grid mentality and I care a straw attitudes towards the feelings and sentiments of people. On the contrary, studying their attitudes in comparison with BJP rule for past 4 ½ years general public has already started pulling their strips with anger saying Come election we will teach them lesson for their lives Congress Legislators and their cronies considers themselves has wisest men on this planet Goa and considers all Goans to be fools of first order. This is their biggest problem. They have proved time and again that they don't have any innovative ideas to please and garnish the support of general public. Just have a look at the present decision taken by Congress Legislative Party (CLP) on 15th January 2007 - the last day of the deadline given by Goa Bachav Abhiyan (GBA) regarding Regional Plan 2011 (RP). Keeping in view the upcoming assembly election CLP took decision to keep controversial draconian RP for scrutiny and for accepting the objections from general public for a period of 60 days. This is a hasty decision taken with presuming us Goans. To this GBA which comprises of educated and professionals including general public immediately shot back saying It's an eye wash..a smokescreen...decision taken is in view of upcoming assembly election and we will not succumb to government's delaying tactic any more ..we stand by our demand..De-notify (scrap) the RP .. and initiate drawing new RP in total democratic way taking all stakeholders in confidence and also following all rules of laws in place This stand taken by GBA is just and too apt to handle the irreversible damage the present notified plan will cause to Goa. To support GBA further we must all make it at Lohiya Maidan on this Statehood Day 16th January 2007 at 3.30 pm with our kith and keens. Let's show Congress government that we the people of Goa are united not divided like Congress Party and that We will achieve what Goans want, not what Congress is planning for us. Dr. U. G. Barad Margao - Goa The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
