Re: [h-cost] New Topic: drawstring necklines on chemises
Jennifer Geard wrote: I made mine with four laces -- front, back and two sides. The stop points are at the 'corners' where the laces meet. However, Adele pointed out http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/p/palma/vecchio/blonde.jpg, which frankly looks like a more plausible explanation. I'll quietly regret the 26,000 (!) messages from this list that I deleted -- mostly unread -- in a recent clean-up, and leave you to your regular discussions. wry grin - that's a few years' worth of failing to keep up You do understand, of course, how I hate to disagree with you :-) -- Adele de Maisieres - Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure
Bjarne, can you explain how 17th century men's linen cuffs (wristbands) were pinned on? I used to wear male 17th century attire when I was younger, but was never able to work out a satisfactory way to get the white cuffs to stay in place. I made them to fasten round my wrist inside the doublet sleeve and then turn back over the sleeve. Did they simply stick a pin in each side of the opening? Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17/03/2006 20:43 The doublets all have 2 piece sleaves. The back seam is not finished, but opened about 5-10 cm. Then they used to (in come cases) turn back the sleave, so that it would make a cuff in itself. But when worn with white linnen cuffs, i suppose they were just pinned together with the cuffs. No buttons, no buttonholes - nothing __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Daughter of Charity cornette
From what I know of the habit, all the layers of the headdress would have been starched, including the cap. My Anut is a member of the sisters of Notre Dame and wore the habit until the late 60s, she lost all of her hair because of the starch! Kelly I saw a request on another list for instructions on how to make a Daughter of Charity cornette--sometimes called a butterfly headdress or sailboat headdress. Some folks call it the Flying Nun headdress even though it's not the same as used in the TV series. I know I tried finding instructions a few years ago but came up empty. There isn't a motherhouse here in Atlanta either to contact. I emailed someone in Emmitsburg but they didn't have instructions either at the time. I am looking to recreate a DC habit for a reenactment group here as a Civil-War era nurse but the cornette is the only thing I haven't figured out how to do yet. I do imagine it would require very starched linen over a cap. Anything would help. Thanks, Debra ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE back side lacing was:Stomacher --a photo demo
This is not English or a kirtle/corset but back side lacing goes back aways. Sorry I am not well versed with dates. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk1.html This is 1580. Note the woman in pink. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk12.html De -Original Message- Hi, I should not have answered as i did, obviously they did it in a different way than in my period. How long time did they have this lacing in the side bodice? Anybody knows? Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure
Hi Kate, I have looked at many portraits in my books, to find answer to this. I did find a picture where you see the angle where the cuff ends meet. They are not pinned together, but stands open. I think that the cuffs had a strip of material attached to the actual cuff, wich would sit under the doublet sleave. So i think you have done it correct. But pinns would secure it better, and thinking about how they used pins to attach the standing collars to the bodices and doublets, it would be very likely they did the same witht the cuffs. A few years ago when Nicole visited me when she was having the blue baroque dress, she just came from a museum visit where she had discovered a pin painted in a portrait, where a standing band was pinned to the bodice. I would never have noticed this, if Nicole had not shown me. Pins are good for many things, but i cant profe anything. Bjarne Many of the swedish doublets, have buttonholes at the arm split, but no buttons. Also some have nothing at all but a decoration ribbon or lace, in the arm split. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Kate M Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure Bjarne, can you explain how 17th century men's linen cuffs (wristbands) were pinned on? I used to wear male 17th century attire when I was younger, but was never able to work out a satisfactory way to get the white cuffs to stay in place. I made them to fasten round my wrist inside the doublet sleeve and then turn back over the sleeve. Did they simply stick a pin in each side of the opening? Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17/03/2006 20:43 The doublets all have 2 piece sleaves. The back seam is not finished, but opened about 5-10 cm. Then they used to (in come cases) turn back the sleave, so that it would make a cuff in itself. But when worn with white linnen cuffs, i suppose they were just pinned together with the cuffs. No buttons, no buttonholes - nothing __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure
Bjarne wrote: A few years ago when Nicole visited me when she was having the blue baroque dress, she just came from a museum visit where she had discovered a pin painted in a portrait, where a standing band was pinned to the bodice. I would never have noticed this, if Nicole had not shown me. Pins are good for many things, but i cant profe anything. Bjarne You called? :-) Bjarne and Kate, I should have a photo of the painting and I think I doctored it to point to the pin. After a couple of computer crashes and three house moves I bless the external harddrive that stores 11 years of research data... If the internet is fixed tonight at home I shall rummage, upload and send a link if I can find the pic. Nicole _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Simplicity 4219
This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 269
Sigh.. Message: 12 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:09:03 -0800 From: Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books Tone is not apparent on a list like this one, so I think it's important to spell out one's opinions and offer citations. major snippage I think it's better to define what's being qualified: These corset instructions work best for large busts (Opinions of what is a large bust vary greatly) rather than: These corset instructions work great for me, YMMV. Having said all that--I only write to spec if you pay me. And you couldn't possibly pay me enough to use any emoticon, or to say never say never or some of the other pat phrases I see. I suppose I can't expect anyone else to write to my specs (as above). But I also have the right to say things the way I think is best. I am glad that you recognize this. It is very much a manner of communicating based on where you came from and how you were raised. For an example, my mother-in-law's use of y'all, constant spewing of malapropisms, and mispronounciation of simple words, i.e. Lie-berry, Walmark, drive me up a wall, but I don't take umbrage or try to hold her up to the standards of gramar and speech that I was raised with and still use. It is just where she comes from. In a social group you accept one another's differences with a smile. Communicating in the manner of this list leaves out the standard communication tools we have when speaking with someone in person or even on the phone. They are just words on a screen and not tempered by someone's tone of voice. We all read them differently. Even when communicating in writing with a well known friend or colleague is different than communicating on this list with so many individuals whose personalities we don't really know. The list takes on a conversational tone, without the benefit of heard inflection. Not all of us are technical writers or novelists concerned with the exactly perfect way to express our point. As for using 'in my opinion' to preface a comment - personally, I am no expert, and based on what little research I have done any comments I have are merely an opinion based on that research. I know this. By saying 'in my opinion', I am stating in a short addenda This is what I think based on what I have learned so far. If anyone has more information I would love to hear it. Then it is up to me to accept any other information tossed my way. It also says I am not claiming to be an expert. I think this is a generally accepted interpretation of such comments. As for no real friendships and women constantly seeking to stab one another in the back while smiling on the surface - either you grew up in a very snide and catty atmosphere or I grew up in an unusually amiable one. Best, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Annette M - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
At 16:49 20/03/2006, you wrote: This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg Dawn Apparently, here in England, a shirt like this is sold as a poet shirt. (Not sure which one this refers to, although I think maybe bottom left - was talking to someone at the weekend about this pattern but as I wasn't planning on buying, didn't register all of the info!) I think as the shirt you refer to has a black stock it is likely to be that loose period Regency meaning anything from late 18th to mid 1840's, according to some descriptions I've read. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles
I received this reply from the author of the newspaper article. The book is real!!! Beth At 10:54 AM 3/20/2006, you wrote: Dear Beth The book will be published in May this year, not by a publishing company but by the museum itself - Kulturhistorisk Museum, Oslo. Title and ISBN not yet known. I suggest you call Arne Emil Christensen at 004722851900 and ask him. Best regards Cato Guhnfeldt AFTENPOSTEN. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 269
Communicating in the manner of this list leaves out the standard communication tools we have when speaking with someone in person or even on the phone. They are just words on a screen and not tempered by someone's tone of voice. So is every written communication, back to the days of clay tablets. Email is not new in that respect. It's just a letter. As for using 'in my opinion' to preface a comment - personally, I am no expert, and based on what little research I have done any comments I have are merely an opinion based on that research. I know this. By saying 'in my opinion', I am stating in a short addenda This is what I think based on what I have learned so far. If anyone has more information I would love to hear it. Then it is up to me to accept any other information tossed my way. It also says I am not claiming to be an expert. I think this is a generally accepted interpretation of such comments. People's expertise can, and should, be judged on what they say about any given subject at that given time. Not on whether they explicitly say I am an expert or I am not an expert. Whether the person thinks they are an expert or not is irrelevant, as is whether their friends think so. And of course, in a public group other people are likely to respond to whatever you have said. You don't need to explicitly give them the right to do so. You also don't need to accept everything everyone else says in the sense of agreeing with it. As for no real friendships and women constantly seeking to stab one another in the back while smiling on the surface - either you grew up in a very snide and catty atmosphere or I grew up in an unusually amiable one. I'm not talking about the atmosphere I grew up in, or the people I know in the flesh either socially or professionally. For both of which which I am deeply thankful. I'm talking about what I see on the net every day in some e-groups, a social dynamic I've never seen before, at least not at nearly that level. H-costume is much better than most. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Costumers in Edinburgh?
Dear List, I used to be very active on this list, years ago, but alas, while I am still making costumes (in particular historical ones) and still love and research the period 1660-1715 most of all, I don't seem to find the time to actively participate in discussions. Besides, most of the interest here seems to be before or after my favourite period and I wouldn't have much of a tuppence to contribute. Anyway, I apologise for this blatant seeking of fellow historical costumers, but I recently moved from Kent to Edinburgh and was hoping, via this list, to find fellow costumers in trhe Edinburgh area? Jean, are you still here? :-) Best wishes to all and sundry Nicole (kipar.org) If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Simplicity 4219
At 9:58 AM -0700 3/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg Middle Romance G Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] this list
Maybe I'm just too used to the Yahoo groups, but does this list have a files, photos links section? Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
Hi, That would be an 18th century shirt. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219 This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure
Hi Cynthia, This would also be a solution they might have done. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-cost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure Bjarne, can you explain how 17th century men's linen cuffs (wristbands) were pinned on? Kate Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17/03/2006 20:43 The doublets all have 2 piece sleaves. The back seam is not finished, but opened about 5-10 cm. Then they used to (in come cases) turn back the sleave, so that it would make a cuff in itself. But when worn with white linnen cuffs, i suppose they were just pinned together with the cuffs. No buttons, no buttonholes - nothing I had thought to whip stitch the cuffs onto the sleeve, then remove at wash time replace for the next wearing. Himself would certainly have less pins to complain about and I wouldnt have to look at dirty cuffs. No research results here, just practical matters. I'm looking forward to Nicole's pinned cuff picture, tho'. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 265: To dye for: Poison: Paris green
- Original Message - From: Leslie Mundy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, there was/is a poison pigment made from arsenic that was used extensively in wallpaper in the 1800's. This is just scuttlebutt, but I've heard that arsenic in small quantities was used as a cosmetic aid until the early 20thC--apparently small amounts improve the skin and hair's appearance, and make the pupils of one's eyes widen creating the effect of larger eyes. (That last might have been belladonna; going on memory here.) In other words, maybe they were a little more willing to be slowly poisoned by arsenic if it made them look good than we are be in the days of safe(ish) OTC cosmetics. We actually need a small amount of arsenic in our diet for health, anyway, though I expect that these pigments exceeded that amount. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Topic: drawstring necklines on chemises
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:06, Adele de Maisieres wrote: You do understand, of course, how I hate to disagree with you :-) You do understand how highly I value fruitful disagreement... grin Cheers, Jennifer -- Jennifer Geard ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
Was the same style worn throughout the century? Or is this strictly a later 18th century style? Wondering if it would be appropriate for an early 1700's costume... Dawn Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, That would be an 18th century shirt. Bjarne This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] this list
Quoting Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe I'm just too used to the Yahoo groups, but does this list have a files, photos links section? no, it doesn't. :-( That's one of the good things about yahoo (IMO). I know that there was a photo account set up somewhere for the Christmas Gift thing, but I can't call the URL to mind right now. *sigh* Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
Hi Dawn, It would be, only difference from start of the century and late is the neck wear. Early 1700 wore a rectangular cravate (necktie with lace in the ends) Mid century they started to wear the stocks wich was closed center back. Is it for a pirate costume? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219 Was the same style worn throughout the century? Or is this strictly a later 18th century style? Wondering if it would be appropriate for an early 1700's costume... Dawn Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, That would be an 18th century shirt. Bjarne This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] this list
Hi Julie, you can post pictures here if you like. You can create a new ablum. I sure wish someone would use it! http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=hcostume The userid is: indra2006 Sg Julie wrote: Maybe I'm just too used to the Yahoo groups, but does this list have a files, photos links section? Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi Dawn, It would be, only difference from start of the century and late is the neck wear. Early 1700 wore a rectangular cravate (necktie with lace in the ends) Mid century they started to wear the stocks wich was closed center back. Is it for a pirate costume? Pirate? Good heavens, no! Pirating will get you hanged. This, on the other hand, is an honest merchant ship, with private backing from several Lords, and a letter of marque from the crown. :) Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] K of Aragon necklace
A year or so ago, someone mentioned a modern name for a style of chain necklace that looked similar to the longer one K of A wears in this portrait: http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/aragon.html Does anyone remember what that name was? The modern version wasn't exactly like the one in the portrait, but it was definitely similar. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi Dawn, It would be, only difference from start of the century and late is the neck wear. Early 1700 wore a rectangular cravate (necktie with lace in the ends) Mid century they started to wear the stocks wich was closed center back. Is it for a pirate costume? Pirate? Good heavens, no! Pirating will get you hanged. This, on the other hand, is an honest merchant ship, with private backing from several Lords, and a letter of marque from the crown. :) *giggle* Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 265: To dye for: Poison: Paris green
In a message dated 3/20/2006 2:18:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, there was/is a poison pigment made from arsenic that was used extensively in wallpaper in the 1800's. And there were stories from the day, that sound like what we call urban legend today, of people wearing garments colored with those pigments and getting deathly ill. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] K of Aragon necklace
It's difficult to see the chain's design clearly in that portrait, but it appears reminiscent of a Byzantine chain link style. Talia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E House Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] K of Aragon necklace A year or so ago, someone mentioned a modern name for a style of chain necklace that looked similar to the longer one K of A wears in this portrait: http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/aragon.html Does anyone remember what that name was? The modern version wasn't exactly like the one in the portrait, but it was definitely similar. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 3/17/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Cuff closure
I am sorry if you get this twice, but my mail on this list is very erratic - I have been receiving 8 copies of some mail, and my own mail won't post until hours later - literally - so I don't know if I am repeating myself. Ladies Gents, A quick question, I'm copying the doublet worn by the dashing gent in Caravaggio's The Fortune Teller now in the Louvre. Both my copy the original are mustard gold velvet with the chocolate brown racing stripes and those huge balloon sleeves. At the cuff, which cant be seen well in my Louvre catalog, is the closure on the outside if the wrist, inside of the wrist or no closure at all? Is there a lapped vent as in 18th c manswear or is it just abutted as in the 16th c menswear. Norah Waugh doesnt go into this detail. Thanks for the help, This might be of interest. I took it at an exhibition of either Franz Hals paintings, or Rembrandt, several years ago. (Hals from the position of the hand!!) http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/img001.jpg Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] K of Aragon necklace
- Original Message - From: klh [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's difficult to see the chain's design clearly in that portrait, but it appears reminiscent of a Byzantine chain link style. That's it! Thanks. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] this list
I found the original instructions sent out at Christmas: From this url: http://www.PictureTrail.com/uid4238963 Click on Member Login up in the upper right hand corner of the screen username: hcostume password: indra2006 This will take you to the main member page To upload pictures: Click on Upload Pics Follow the basic instructions...especially on clicking only once on Upload Pictures Now! I have been successful in uploading from this page, but you can also download their Photo Editor and Uploader if you want. __ I've had a couple pictures I wanted to share recently but didn't know if it was still available, Janet ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE back side lacing was:Stomacher --a photo demo
This pink dress reminded me... a friend is making a Regency style gown, for a party so it doesn't have to be particularly authentic, but neither of us can work out - how/where do they fasten? Some have buttons down the centre back, but most don't seem to have any visible opening. Please, somebody, give us a clue? Jean otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote This is not English or a kirtle/corset but back side lacing goes back aways. Sorry I am not well versed with dates. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk1.html This is 1580. Note the woman in pink. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk12.html De -Original Message- Hi, I should not have answered as i did, obviously they did it in a different way than in my period. How long time did they have this lacing in the side bodice? Anybody knows? Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 265: To dye for: Poison: Paris green
Ah, Many thanks for your fine responses all, how horrible it is! Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 265: To dye for: Poison: Paris green In a message dated 3/20/2006 2:18:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, there was/is a poison pigment made from arsenic that was used extensively in wallpaper in the 1800's. And there were stories from the day, that sound like what we call urban legend today, of people wearing garments colored with those pigments and getting deathly ill. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE back side lacing was:Stomacher --a photo demo
Hi Jean, Many regency gowns is closed in the front with a bib front. Some are closed center back by drawstring tapes, and pinned. Some have hooks and eyes and some as you say buttons. You can almost do as you think is the best. The front bib closures are a little difficult to explain for me as english is not my native language, but do look in Nancy Bradfields book Costume in Detail, if you have accets to this. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Jean Waddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE back side lacing was:Stomacher --a photo demo This pink dress reminded me... a friend is making a Regency style gown, for a party so it doesn't have to be particularly authentic, but neither of us can work out - how/where do they fasten? Some have buttons down the centre back, but most don't seem to have any visible opening. Please, somebody, give us a clue? Jean otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote This is not English or a kirtle/corset but back side lacing goes back aways. Sorry I am not well versed with dates. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk1.html This is 1580. Note the woman in pink. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk12.html De -Original Message- Hi, I should not have answered as i did, obviously they did it in a different way than in my period. How long time did they have this lacing in the side bodice? Anybody knows? Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costumers in Edinburgh?
Oh yes that goes for me two!!! Bjarne - Original Message - From: WickedFrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumers in Edinburgh? Sorry I can't be of help to you, but I sure miss you on this list. I have often wondered what happened to several of you oldies but goodies and why you disappeared. Glad it is nothing we did! Good luck in finding a someone nearby. Drop a line to us once in awhile and let us know of your costuming endeavors Might not be my time period, but I still love hearing about them! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re:Theatre Museum in London closing?
If anyone wants further information, I now have an update, which is a bit long winded, but will happily forward individually if required. Yes, please send it to me. I visited the Museum two years ago and it was wonderful! Being in costumes and theatre made it doubly interesting. Donna Scarfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costumers in Edinburgh?
Thank you ever so much for your kind words, Bjarne, Saragrace and Jean. :-) I do have a little bit to show, even though I didn't have much time for website updates. That was an understatement, I had no time. Here are some of my latest costumes evening outfits: http://www.kipar.org/salacious-historian/sewingprojects.html Nicole If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumers in Edinburgh? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:41:47 +0100 Oh yes that goes for me two!!! Bjarne - Original Message - From: WickedFrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumers in Edinburgh? Sorry I can't be of help to you, but I sure miss you on this list. I have often wondered what happened to several of you oldies but goodies and why you disappeared. Glad it is nothing we did! Good luck in finding a someone nearby. Drop a line to us once in awhile and let us know of your costuming endeavors Might not be my time period, but I still love hearing about them! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles
OK, here's the details on the book. As they are from Arne Emil Christensen, I tend to trust them. I'm still awaiting details on how to order. Beth Matney 1) Title will be: Osebergfunnet IV - Tekstilene (The Oseberg find - The textiles) 2) Will be published around May 6th 2006. 3) Cost will be 1000 Norw. Kroner (about 140-150 dollars) 4) Book size will be 24 x 36 centimetres standing 5) Number of pages: 408 6) Approx. 1200 copies will be printed. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure
At 19:42 16/03/2006, you wrote: Ladies Gents, A quick question, I'm copying the doublet worn by the dashing gent in Caravaggio's The Fortune Teller now in the Louvre. Both my copy the original are mustard gold velvet with the chocolate brown racing stripes and those huge balloon sleeves. At the cuff, which cant be seen well in my Louvre catalog, is the closure on the outside if the wrist, inside of the wrist or no closure at all? Is there a lapped vent as in 18th c manswear or is it just abutted as in the 16th c menswear. Norah Waugh doesnt go into this detail. Thanks for the help, This might be of interest. I took it at an exhibition of either Franz Hals paintings, or Rembrandt, several years ago. (Hals form the position of the hand!!) http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/img001.jpg Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 265: To dye for: Poison: Paris green
In a message dated 3/20/2006 2:54:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In about 1840ies i heard there was a new invention with a very bright green colour. They made wall hangings with this dyed silks and also it became a very popular colour for fashionable ball dresses. But they didnt realise that it was a very poisonable dye. The skin would consume the poison. There was a very bright green, lo-kao, introduced in the mid-19th century, but it was a natural dye, and not poisonous, that I know of. This was called vert lumiere in France, as it looked so beautiful under candlelight. Not until the introduction of synthetic dyes would such a brilliant green be available any other way. You know that the most common way to get green fabrics was to dye the fabric in an indigo vat and then overdye it with yellow (or vice versa). The nature of inidigo means that you can't just stir the blue and yellow dyes together in one pot and get green. And, despite its prevalence in nature, there is no common natural dyestuff that colors a good medium green. With the right mordant, you can get kind of an olive green color from some of the yellow dyes. The arsenical pigments, used for paints and later printing wallpaper, were, as my last post stated, reported to have been used to color garments. Pigments, unlike dyes, must be fixed to fabric in some way and so don't work very well for coloring fabrics. They can also flake off, which might indeed have poisoned the wearer. But as similar stories were published many years apart, I find them suspect. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 269
Hi Fran, I think you are so right with this. One of the lists i am on, wich covers my favourite area is so hustile and unpleassant that i hardly dare to post to it. It is such a shame because its the same people that behaves badly, and they aught to be taken out of the forum. And the list administrator is much two friendly regarding these bad behaviours. Wont give any names Because of this situation, the list is nearly dead now! Bjarne - Original Message - From: Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 269 Communicating in the manner of this list leaves out the standard communication tools we have when speaking with someone in person or even on the phone. They are just words on a screen and not tempered by someone's tone of voice. So is every written communication, back to the days of clay tablets. Email is not new in that respect. It's just a letter. As for using 'in my opinion' to preface a comment - personally, I am no expert, and based on what little research I have done any comments I have are merely an opinion based on that research. I know this. By saying 'in my opinion', I am stating in a short addenda This is what I think based on what I have learned so far. If anyone has more information I would love to hear it. Then it is up to me to accept any other information tossed my way. It also says I am not claiming to be an expert. I think this is a generally accepted interpretation of such comments. People's expertise can, and should, be judged on what they say about any given subject at that given time. Not on whether they explicitly say I am an expert or I am not an expert. Whether the person thinks they are an expert or not is irrelevant, as is whether their friends think so. And of course, in a public group other people are likely to respond to whatever you have said. You don't need to explicitly give them the right to do so. You also don't need to accept everything everyone else says in the sense of agreeing with it. As for no real friendships and women constantly seeking to stab one another in the back while smiling on the surface - either you grew up in a very snide and catty atmosphere or I grew up in an unusually amiable one. I'm not talking about the atmosphere I grew up in, or the people I know in the flesh either socially or professionally. For both of which which I am deeply thankful. I'm talking about what I see on the net every day in some e-groups, a social dynamic I've never seen before, at least not at nearly that level. H-costume is much better than most. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
Ok, Dawn, Cut of mens have a shirt pattern wich can be used for 1700 - 1790. Its like the butterick pattern. However you really dont need a pattern to make such a shirt. Its very easy cut of rectangles, slashes and quatrangels. frills at sleaves and neck slash can be ajusted like your taste, wide or narrow. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219 Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi Dawn, It would be, only difference from start of the century and late is the neck wear. Early 1700 wore a rectangular cravate (necktie with lace in the ends) Mid century they started to wear the stocks wich was closed center back. Is it for a pirate costume? Pirate? Good heavens, no! Pirating will get you hanged. This, on the other hand, is an honest merchant ship, with private backing from several Lords, and a letter of marque from the crown. :) Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] cuff closures
In Dynasties on page 223 there is a portrait with a man. His left arm shows open cuffs. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
In a message dated 3/20/2006 2:09:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, That would be an 18th century shirt. Bjarne ** I think Bjarne could be right, but I also see a 19th century shirt...the 1st half of it anyway. The shirt becomes what we generally think of as a shirt today [yolk, shaped sleeve heads] in the 2nd half of the 19th century. Before that, a shirt is cut in all rectangular and square pieces. The shape of collars really give away the period in the 19th century too. That very high collar with the ends of it near your ears can be found early on in the period till the 1830s and 40s. [You don't seem to get the starched detachable collars till the last half.] Can't say I like any of these styles the pattern offers much. I really hate the laced up the placket pirate look. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Ok, Dawn, Cut of mens have a shirt pattern wich can be used for 1700 - 1790. Its like the butterick pattern. However you really dont need a pattern to make such a shirt. Its very easy cut of rectangles, slashes and quatrangels. frills at sleaves and neck slash can be ajusted like your taste, wide or narrow. Thanks! It sounds like I'm on the right track here then. Yes, the pattern is mostly squares, but since it only costs $2 it is so easy to use instead of making measurements of my husband. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure
Thanks, Suzi, Didnt find your detached hand under Hals, but I found one with lots of cuff examples on Wikipedia, esp. Festmahl der Offiziere - Frans Hals. A little later, but certainly gives the info. I also found a 2nd version of Caravaggio's The Fortune Teller with some interesting differences. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure
In Dynasties on page 223 there is a portrait with a man. His left arm shows open cuffs. Bjarne Got him! and wow screaming yellow stockings, and what's on those garters toe-bows? spangles! thanks! --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
Sorry, I don't know. This is a problem that I have with some of the Simplicity and Butterick historic patterns. They don't identify the years they are representing. Susan Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark Trail by Louis L'Amour On Mar 20, 2006, at 11:49 AM, Dawn wrote: This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Bjarne could be right, but I also see a 19th century shirt...the 1st half of it anyway. The shirt becomes what we generally think of as a shirt today [yolk, shaped sleeve heads] in the 2nd half of the 19th century. Before that, a shirt is cut in all rectangular and square pieces. I've got the pattern in hand, and it is mostly squares. There's slight shaping at the shoulders of the body pieces. Views A and B, the ones with buttons and the one with the ruffle and the book, look a lot like the shirt diagram in Waugh ... minus the shoulder gusset. The shape of collars really give away the period in the 19th century too. That very high collar with the ends of it near your ears can be found early on in the period till the 1830s and 40s. [You don't seem to get the starched detachable collars till the last half.] The one in Waugh has a 4 collar, which is what the pattern has. Are you saying the collars in the 1700's would have been a lot narrower than that? She dates the shirt 1700-1810. Do you know if a ruffle on the front would have been worn early in the 18th century? That's mostly what I was interested in finding out. The neck stock says mid 19th century to me and I was planning on not using it. I really hate the laced up the placket pirate look. Agree with you on the laced up look. Ew. FWIW, there are two styles of shirt in the pattern, AB seem historically based, CD use different sleeves and collars, no gussets, and so forth. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
In a message dated 3/20/2006 7:12:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: instead of making measurements of my husband. For a real 18th century shirt, the only measurement you need is the neck, really. It's a one size fits all kinda affair. For instance, the sleeves are blouse-y so as to fit everyone. Thus we also get sleeve garters. But if the pattern is rectangles, then go for it! The only difficult things about a real 18th century shirt are the neck gussets...set in at where the shoulder seam would meet the neckbut there are no shoulder seams in a real 18th century shirt. It's cut like a poncho. These triangular gussets set in at the neckline help give the shirt a shoulder slope that we just cut into a shirt nowadays with shoulder seams. These gussets are a great design feature, I think. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
In a message dated 3/20/2006 7:53:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The one in Waugh has a 4 collar, which is what the pattern has. Are you saying the collars in the 1700's would have been a lot narrower than that? She dates the shirt 1700-1810. ** I make my 18th century collars 3 finished. But of course they could be 4or 2. I think they tend to rise at the period progressesjust like coat and waistcoat collars do. They get higher and higher 'til it becomes necessary to cut out a scoop for the chin and thus you get those high points on each side of the face by the 1820s. A 3 rectangle is a great generic collar for the 18th century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Can you help me find a similar fabric?
The one on eBay is called Renaissance Fabrics. I bought some recently. - Original Message - From: kelly grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Can you help me find a similar fabric? There is a merchant on EBay that sell church brocades. His prices are reasonable, and the fabric is yummy. Check fibre contents though, some are highly polyester and may not be suitable for your project. We found some good blends that are nice and heavy and have really good drape for period clothing. Kelly My daughter loves this fabric at http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/images/C16th/Eliz2005.jpg . Does anyone know where I can find something similar and not too expensive? Thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure
Hi, stranger! Long time, no see! Does this newest house have the same kind of red dining room that you talked about doing, a few years ago? I always remember that, in the depths of our cold/grey/overcast/nasty winter months. --Sue in Montana - Original Message - From: Nicole Kipar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure Bjarne wrote: A few years ago when Nicole visited me when she was having the blue baroque dress, she just came from a museum visit where she had discovered a pin painted in a portrait, where a standing band was pinned to the bodice. I would never have noticed this, if Nicole had not shown me. Pins are good for many things, but i cant profe anything. Bjarne You called? :-) Bjarne and Kate, I should have a photo of the painting and I think I doctored it to point to the pin. After a couple of computer crashes and three house moves I bless the external harddrive that stores 11 years of research data... If the internet is fixed tonight at home I shall rummage, upload and send a link if I can find the pic. Nicole ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: to dye for
There are too much older poisoned garment myths: Hercules died from wearing a poisoned garment given him by his wife Deianira when he was having an affair with another woman. Jason's ex, Medea, poisoned a garment and gave it as a wedding gift to his new bride Glauce, who died from wearing it. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is this the origin, then, of the old Poisoned Prom Dress urban legend? _http://www.snopes.com/horrors/poison/dress.htm_ (http://www.snopes.com/horrors/poison/dress.htm) Or this one? _http://www.snopes.com/horrors/poison/coolidge.htm_ (http://www.snopes.com/horrors/poison/coolidge.htm) Maybe I should forward this thread to Snopes.com. :) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE back side lacing was:Stomacher --a photo demo
Here are a few examples from the Bradfield book Bjarne mentioned: Early style (1803-10): Apron front: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/books-helps/bradfield-costume-p88.jpg anther apron style: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/books-helps/bradfield-costume-p89.jpg http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/books-helps/bradfield-costume-p90.jpg Back closure ties and button: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/books-helps/bradfield-costume-p92.jpg Back closure, ties and hooks: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/books-helps/bradfield-costume-p94.jpg Another variation of the apron style: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/books-helps/bradfield-costume-p96.jpg Here's a later style (1815ish) with back hooks: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/evening-extant/1815-ball-peach-mccord.JPG and one with ties (c. 1823): http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/evening-extant/1823-clear-blue-bowes.jpg It's a bit odd to modern eyes because there are gaps, but beneath the gaps would have been a shift, probably some form of stays, and a petticoat. - Hope (who is currently in the throes of pulling together materials for a presentation to the local English Country Dance Group on early 19th century gowns, probable title It's All in the Details, or, How to Make a Regency Ballgown that Doesn't Look Like a Hippie Prom Dress) Jean Waddie wrote: This pink dress reminded me... a friend is making a Regency style gown, for a party so it doesn't have to be particularly authentic, but neither of us can work out - how/where do they fasten? Some have buttons down the centre back, but most don't seem to have any visible opening. Please, somebody, give us a clue? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costumers in Edinburgh?
Oh my, oh my...you have been busy...love the prince and Thumbelina. Thanks for sharing. Sg http://www.kipar.org/salacious-historian/sewingprojects.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: Regency Dress Closures (was back side lacing)
This pink dress reminded me... a friend is making a Regency style gown, for a party so it doesn't have to be particularly authentic, but neither of us can work out - how/where do they fasten? Some have buttons down the centre back, but most don't seem to have any visible opening. Please, somebody, give us a clue? To add a bit to what Bjarne said, some of the early round gowns are only tied (apparently with no front back or side opening, just draw strings all the way around for waist and neck). The Kyoto Institute's new (ish) book _Fashion_ has a gown in this style. There are some that have drawstrings with a back opening (frequently with one button at the waist) as well as the drawstrings. Nancy Bradford shows a number of those. Janet Arnold shows at least one gown (and I think more) that are bib front gowns; they tend to be a multi-layered bodice in the front with the lining being pinned center front and the bib being pinned or buttoned to the shoulder area of the neck line -- it's kind of like an apron bib front being pinned up rather then tied. Here's my attempt at ASCII drawing: the vertical lines in the center are supposed to represent the two sides pinned together )| |( -- | || | || \ \ \ \ This is a nice dress diary for a bib front dress, that should help show what I'm trying to describe. http://www.koshka-the-cat.com/drop_front.html Hope this helps! -sunny ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE back side lacing was:Stomacher --a photo demo
I should have added: several have a tie at the back neck that is actually a drawstring that goes through the entire neckline. I used this method in my first ballgown (from Bradfield, 1823). It worked a treat! Just pulling it lightly closed cinched up the entire neckline so that the bodice fitted smoothly--no gaps around the bust, neck, or shoulders. - Hope Here's a later style (1815ish) with back hooks: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/evening-extant/1815-ball-peach-mccord.JPG and one with ties (c. 1823): http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/evening-extant/1823-clear-blue-bowes.jpg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
And you only engage in Pre-Emptive Naval Salvage G Katheryne who has an alternative persona who is in that sort of 'work' - Original Message - Pirate? Good heavens, no! Pirating will get you hanged. This, on the other hand, is an honest merchant ship, with private backing from several Lords, and a letter of marque from the crown. :) Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 265: To dye for: Poison: Paris green
Time to re-read _Strong Poison_ by Dorothy Sayers. Arsenic properties provide the hook on which it's hung (along with the villain) Wanda Pease In other words, maybe they were a little more willing to be slowly poisoned by arsenic if it made them look good than we are be in the days of safe(ish) OTC cosmetics. We actually need a small amount of arsenic in our diet for health, anyway, though I expect that these pigments exceeded that amount. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] K of Aragon necklace
It looks like a lot of the chain mail chains I've seen in the SCA, but made with precious metals. Wanda A year or so ago, someone mentioned a modern name for a style of chain necklace that looked similar to the longer one K of A wears in this portrait: http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/aragon.html Does anyone remember what that name was? The modern version wasn't exactly like the one in the portrait, but it was definitely similar. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles
That is great news. I hope there will be a reasonable amount of it in English. On 20/03/06, Beth and Bob Matney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here's the details on the book. As they are from Arne Emil Christensen, I tend to trust them. I'm still awaiting details on how to order. Beth Matney 1) Title will be: Osebergfunnet IV - Tekstilene (The Oseberg find - The textiles) 2) Will be published around May 6th 2006. 3) Cost will be 1000 Norw. Kroner (about 140-150 dollars) 4) Book size will be 24 x 36 centimetres standing 5) Number of pages: 408 6) Approx. 1200 copies will be printed. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Caroline We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing. G B Shaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
