Re: [h-cost] Barge's cement
I use E3000 glue. It takes a whike ti dry on fabrics but well worth the time. It holds heavy trim or stonework. It is good for seams edging or torn fabrics that are repaired by placing a backing fabric covered in glue them sandwiched to original fabrics. It can bobd with most fabrics --- Original Message --- From: Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com Sent: September 1, 2014 1:35 AM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Barge's cement So I have a repair project which is only marginally costume-y. However. It is a cheapie modern trunk made to look old with vinyl trim. The trim is stitched and then glued down. Yeah. Right. But it’s coming up all over and looks horrible. I still like the little trunk and want to make it shipshape again. In examining the offerings on Amazon, I find (link below) http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=barge%27s+cement Too many packages to make an intelligent choice from. All claim to be Barge’s cement. So, users of Barge’s for shoemaking and other wonders— which is my best bet, please? Many thanks! ==Marjorie Wilser ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Searching for pattern
Joann's Fabrics often has patterns on sale and I will try to get some next sale. --- Original Message --- From: Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com Sent: May 1, 2014 11:19 PM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Searching for pattern Dear Paula, Thankyou for your kind offer. I worry that I might be too far away? I'm in Australia and still hoping to borrow 3637 size 8-14, its selling for $88 on ebay and is too much for me to afford. I'm happy to pay postage to Australia if anyone can loan it to me - I don't want anyone to be out of pocket. I will send it back intact - only trace out the pieces I need - no cutting. Many thanks, Aylwen *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/* On 12 March 2014 05:42, Paula Praxis praxis_...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear Aylwen, Have you found the 2 patterns you are looking for? I have both of them. The pannier pattern has been cut used but all sizes (8-14) are there. The gown has not been used and is still factory folded. I can let you borrow them for free. I am a costumer for our local high school in Santa Clarita, California, (just north of Los Angeles) so I really do want to get them back. Please contact me if you still need these, Paula Soltero praxis_...@hotmail.com From: aylwe...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:39:32 +1100 To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Searching for pattern Does anyone here have a copy of Simplicity 3635 and 3637 (size 8-14) they no longer need that I can buy or that I can borrow for personal use? Its the blue 18th Century gown and panniers. Many thanks, Aylwen *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fiddly question
I burn the edges of 45degree cuts. Not burn to the point of BURNT showing. Just melted. I use a candle with smokeless wick, hold the ribbon above the flame and approach the flame until it melts but not too close. Try some test before you work on project itself. --- Original Message --- From: MargaretDecker m.p.dec...@att.net Sent: April 29, 2014 7:58 AM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] fiddly question If it is less than 1/2 inch wide, cut it at a 45 degree angle, otherwise a small rolled hem. Margaret -Original Message- From: humbugfo...@att.net Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 9:29 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] fiddly question I'm making a couple of Regency bonnets, with satin ribbons as ties. How do you finish off the end of the ribbon? Hem it? Cut it, and if so, how? Such a minor detail, but I'm stumped. Thanks, Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Grandes assiettes - single or double layer
I've never seen a garment like this ( or I've never noticed one like it). It sure makes the male figure look broad shoulders and narrow of waist. Very upright and proud model. What do you call this garment and what period is it? Italian maybe? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: astr...@schaefferarts.com Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:57:38 -0500 To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Grandes assiettes - single or double layer You know, Zuzana, a thought-- Looking at your photos again, it strikes me that it almost looks like two different fabrics, because the body is on the straight grain and the sleeves are on the bias, and they reflect light differently. I always hesitate to put thoughts into long-ago minds, but it doesn't seem unlikely to me that someone would have seen a similar effect and decided to take the next step, actually using a different color. Astrida On Dec 6, 2011, at 5:11 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Hi, I checked all I could find out (year 1999 mostly, then something from 2000), but didn't find an answer to what I'm searching for. You were discussing bit different things. Maybe I just missed some important post? So were the grandes assiettes sleeves pictured in one colour, and the body in another, one garment? I read the Adrien Harmand's book and it semms she thinks it was one garment. Do you have this monograph from Musee de Tissus? How it's called? Where can I get it? I am very curious about the theory of the under vest. I've done various pourpoints of this style, but as I didn't find any info on how the chest wast stuffed, I just put two small cushions on either side of the chest, hidden by the lining, which made the large chest in the end. This technique works well for quilted garments, but not so well for anything without stuffing, because the soft fabric will dip in at the front opening. See my last charles de Blois attempt here: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150367778803721.352533.294387883720type=3 Just one observation I have to follow on some of the 12 year old discussions - I think the grande assiette sleeve is easy to construct once you know how. You can do any form of sleeve, whether tight fitting, bag, or wide at the bottom. I will be writing a detailed tutorial on how to do this once I get to it. Would you folks be interested? Zuzana _ www.sartor.cz --- On Tue, 12/6/11, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Grandes assiettes - single or double layer To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2011, 1:56 AM In a monograph published by the Musee des Tissus (Lyons), the Charles de Blois pourpoint is conjectured to be worn over a vest-like thing that held all the stuffing for the fashionable high puff chest. This particular example has the sleeves body of the gament all in the same fabric. We discussed this pourpoint, the account books from the Dukes of Lorraine, Jeanne d'Arc the records from her trial waaay-back. Check the h-cost archives. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova zkraemer...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi there, I am searching for evidence for the grandes assiettes sleeve construction from the 14th and 15th centuries, the type with two coloured garment - sleeves in one colour, bodice in another. Like this: http://www.cottesimple.com/blois_and_sleeves/grande_assiette/Sachsenspiegel_large.jpg Do you know whether this was one garment made from two fabrics, or two separate garments, the upper being a vest-sort of thing? I know this is often discussed, but has anyone already found an answer to this question? Thanks a lot, Zuzana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance dance costumes
Also a quick fix would be Velcro parts. iron designs are quick and easy to remove to change afterwards. Sent from my iPad Becky Rautine On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:01 PM, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com wrote: Fabric paint on a plain or print fabric will make it look rich under stage lights. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 3:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance dance costumes Dear H-cost list I have to make 20 costumes for an upcoming Italian renaissance performance and have been thinking about using http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/products/rh509-1470s-1500-florentine-wo mans-outfit-1#. Can you think of different ways we can decorate these gowns so they don't all look the same? Plus they need to look grand because we will be on stage under lights. I am still working out what to dress the men in, and fear they will not want to wear short doublets and tights :(( *Aylwen* * * *Aylwen's Historical Costumes* www.aylwen.com http://aylwen.blogspot.com * * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy* www.earthlydelights.com.au http://edhda.eventbrite.com * * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Hallowe'en - Alice in Wonderland
I also make costumes. I am in Amarillo. I sew for a costume shop in Syracuse, ny. And sell mascot heads on eBay when I can. Sent from my iPad Becky Rautine On Sep 24, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Suzanne sovag...@cybermesa.com wrote: I don't usually purchase costumes. . . but my daughter [who's in college, and in a different time zone] has asked for help with a traditional Disney Alice in Wonderland blue dress with white pinafore. She's looked in the standard costume shops that pop up at this time of year and says the dresses are all too short. She's looked on e-bay and it seems that everyone is selling the same custom design that comes from China and takes 6 weeks for delivery. Does anyone know of a costume shop in New York City that has real costumes instead of stuff-to-get-drunk-in? Thanks for any suggestions! Suzanne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh
What is bodice ripper poses? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:53:04 -0400 From: katybisho...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh About 20 years ago a friend who is a historical artist, borrowed several of my period gowns and had his gorgeous wife, my friend, pose in them in bodice ripper poses. His goal was to start doing historically accurate bodice ripper covers. I don't know if anything came of it. I should ask his wife. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes
Looks like a piece of bend wood used for furniture. Do they do that there? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: lando...@netins.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:17:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes What the heck has Czeck Republic have over her shoulder--basket handles? it reminded me of a certain type of farm/peasant horse cart harness arrangement seen in that part of the world. this is the first image I found that illustrates it: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4348331290_015ba6f4f2.jpg Why on earth they'd want to symbolize horse harness on their candidate is beyond me. :) Denise Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sewing Apps
I visited the link posted and was so proud THAT IS MY DRAWING!! used on the Margo Anderson Tudor pattern. I like the program and may check it out. I know it would help keep up with the patterns I already have. Fabric, threads, trim and buttons all in one place. Thanks. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: kim...@kimiko1.com Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:33:47 -0700 To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing Apps I have a Mac, on which I use Bento for a simple database program. On Bento, one can create Templates, and I've created at least one for historical and vintage patterns that I've shared on the Bento Templates area online. http://solutions.filemaker.com/database-templates/detail.jsp?serial=2551354 I think it is outdated since I haven't updated to their latest version, but it works for me. Bento can also be ported to an App for the iPhone, which I will do as soon as I can find the iTunes card I bought for buying apps. I am also keeping track of my embroidery supplies list on a similar template which I've yet to upload. Also, there are old fashion print-outs to keep track of fabric trim swatches. I offer a few different types here: http://kimiko1.com/largesse.html I prefer to keep my fabric and trim swatches on a card, as I'd rather be able to touch and see exactly what I have. While it would be nice to have them on my iPhone, the colors change depending on what sort of light I took the photo from. I also shop my own stash cards before I head out to buy whatever I may be missing, and then I will take the cards with me in a folder, if I really need to color match. Kimiko On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Franchesca wrote: I remember a thread about organizers for our computers for our stashes as well as an entire mailing list (or two) on this but I cannot find it now. Anyone have any PC programs that do all this? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1840s question
The photograph of all those women... they definitely must be family, sisters or even sets of twins. They look so alike. And SKINNY. The bodices seem to all be quilted or very fitted for each lady. Do you think the white flower-petal collars are crochet? I love crochet collars. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 23:13:51 +1000 From: elizabeth.r.walp...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1840s question Thanks for that, I have the blue gold one but the others will come in handy. Elizabeth On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com wrote: I have three photos which show gowns from the 1840s like you are describing. There are two photos of extant gowns and one is a photograph of a bunch of women. The address to the folder is: http://s522.photobucket.com/albums/w344/my_stitching/For%20Elizabeth%20Walpole/ I could probably come up with a few more images if you need them. Teena From: Elizabeth Walpole elizabeth.r.walp...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 4:21:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1840s question Hello everyone, I'm trying to pin down some plans for some taffeta I bought a while ago. When I bought it I had a picture in my mind of what I thought of as a 'typical' 1840s dress with a very plain dart-fitted bodice (perhaps with a pointed waist) and tight sleeves. But now that I'm actually looking at images and extant garments that look like what I'm thinking of. What I've seen is either a shirred/fan front bodice with plain fitted sleeves or a darted bodice with rather more complicated sleeves (e.g. the puff below the elbow or some variation on a trumpet/funnel shaped sleeve) So essentially what I'm asking from the collected 19th century wisdom on this list, is my idea a rarity or non existent or perhaps it belongs to another era. Elizabeth -- -- Elizabeth Walpole http://magpiecostumer.wordpress.com/ http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- -- Elizabeth Walpole http://magpiecostumer.wordpress.com/ http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Carol Burnett's Curtain Dress
I tried to view the photos and other items on the site. I asked for password and id. How do I get one to research costumes and hair of the 1800s Prairie of Texas and Oklahoma. My daughter is a child actor in the play Texas in Palo Duro Canyon. I am making her costumes. I want to find examples to go by and use patterns I already have. I have no idea about her hair. It is cut too short to do much with. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: penn...@costumegallery.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 03:27:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Carol Burnett's Curtain Dress I love Bob Mackie's costumes and his book! YUMMY! He is one of my all-time favorite designers. When I was in Vegas, I didn't know that Mackie designed the showgirl costumes for Jubilee! We were taking a behind-the-scenes tour of the show and they showed us his costumes. OMG!!! When he designed the show, it created a worldwide shortage of rhinestones. His costumes in the early 1980s cost $5-15,000 to make. Thank goodness that we were photographing that day. You cannot photograph in the Mackie Room. But we photographed all the other costumes. Here they are! http://www.costumegallery.com/Vegas/Jubilee/ My son his bride will be in Vegas June 12 for their honeymoon. She just awarded a full ride scholarship for costume design grad school. Guess what I am giving them for a present? This tour! I wish the Liberace Museum wasn't closed down. She would love it as much as I did. I showed some people in my Costume-Con workshop my Liberace costume photos...their jaws dropped. BTW, at one point Liberace created a worldwide shortage of Austrian crystals for his costume, grand piano, and Roll Royce that were completely covered with them. I would love to photograph the Vegas costumes of Reve. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Men's Outfits in Brueghel
If you search online, you'll find a site that has made these type leggings. I think it is in the Tudor Tailor book as well. The pants/leggins were woolen and shaped to fit snuggly. But I wondered if the tummy bulges helped or hindered the stay-up-ness of the leggins. I guess if you sweat, it could act as glue to keep them up. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:13:49 -0400 From: jaur...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Men's Outfits in Brueghel I am going to be making my husband an outfit for sca wear. I would like it to take after the Brueghel paintings, and at the end of the email I will list links to several of the paintings that I am refrencing. Ok, first issue--I know, these works span a great length of time, but I think my question applies to all of them, and they show the leg coverings/hosen as being fairy consistant--of couse, this could be because the paintings in the ovre were ferequently copied, but I am not intrested in doing any more research into this then enough to make the costumes at this moment. So, here is the question. It is obvious that the hosen have points to tie them up to(I assume) the vest that seems fairly standard. It is also fairly ovious(looks at the harvester painting) that the pants stay up on their own. HOW??? Secondary questions 1) It looks like these will show modern men's underpants...any ideas on how to work around my husband's fairly obssive need for them? should i make very lightweight linen shorts for underneith the pants? he also really likes, i mean, really, his modern athlic shoes He also has an adversion to any heavy fabric, and is pickty about colors, but well, he is willing to buy me as much fabric as I want for my garb, and does not complain about sewing/knitting/traveling expenses, so I think it he is worth dealing with :) 2) Anyone have some good web sources on this type/period for men? I have been making my garb out of the Well Dress'd Peasant by Drea Leed for several years, and since we have had a tragic accendent(his garb has gone tottaly missing, we can't find it, have looked everywhere, i swear, i did not lose it on purpose-found out two weeks ago when i wanted to do a survey of it to see whaty needed attention before summer sca seson started) I might as well do his stuff to be nice. I have Master Richard Wymarc's very nice handout that can be found http://www.wymarc.com/artifacts/artifacts.php, but am not finding much else. But my google-fu is not as great as it could be. 3) One of the Thanks for any time or info that comes back. *Summer*, 1570 Pieter van der Heyden after Pieter Bruegel the Elder (Netherlandish, active by 1551, died 1569) Engraving; first state of two Source: Pieter van der Heyden after Pieter Bruegel the Elder: Summer (26.72.23) | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/26.72.23#ixzz1KelyC2bv http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/26.72.23 *Peasant Wedding Dance* 1607 Oil on panel Mus�es Royaux des Beaux-Arts, Brussels http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bruegel/pieter_y/wedding.jpg *Peasants Making Merry outside a Tavern 'The Swan'* c. 1630 Oil on oak panel, 55 x 69 cm Private collection http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bruegel/pieter_y/peasants.jpg The Harvesters 1565 (180 Kb); Oil on wood, 118.1 x 160.7 cm (46 1/2 x 63 1/4 in); Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/bruegel/harvesters.jpg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] a costumer's term question
Why are they scraps called cabbage? That's new to me but then I don't know all the terms for costuming or garb technology. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 01:06:06 -0400 From: ca...@thyrsus.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] a costumer's term question On 04/17/2011 01:21 AM, Linda Rice wrote: Garb-age? Today's question is, if the cut-off bits of cloth are cabbage, what are the cut-off bits of fur? Jen/Margaret Very punny. :-) I think that fur scraps from costume-making would still be called cabbage--the name comes from the odd shape, not the substance, right? -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com Beware how you take away hope from another human being. --Oliver Wendell Holmes ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] a costumer's term question
Furr-bage? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:57:10 -0500 From: pi...@hundred-acre-wood.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] a costumer's term question [I am procrastinating, yes I am!] I'm in the process of attempting to restore some modicum of order to the office (where the cutting table lives) and the sewing room (where everything else lives) and since it doesn't require a great deal of brainpower my brain has been wandering about without a chaperone. Today's question is, if the cut-off bits of cloth are cabbage, what are the cut-off bits of fur? Jen/Margaret ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Your family and costuming genes
I love costuming and productions for recitals or plays. My mom tried to teach me to sew so many times but I'd start then toss it aside when it didn't turn out right. I really started sewing quilts and baby clothes for my first daughter. Hand stitching for most of the baby clothes. I learned and even got to the point of making clothes for other people for a while. Then I discovered the renaissance fair near Harrisburg, PA... and we went. I'd been buying the 99 cent patterns on sale when I could. Once I found Margo's patterns, I was hooked on the fabrics and trim that I could see on a gorgeous gown. I made my first gown for my daughter as Princess Elizabeth. She was to go to the fair as Honorary Princess on Kids Weekend...but it rained all day. It took me a year to make it all, every piece sewn by hand. I made polymer clay jewels and gadgets. I found the exact match of velvet on the portrait on ebay. It took me 3 weeks to get the nerve to cut it. I've cut out 1 piece from it a! nd now it lies in a box of honor in my craft room. 6 meters of it... waiting for the next time to use it. I've made the Iron Hand garment and a Linen ensemble since then. My sister has created costumes for the Pocahontas Festival in Larado, TX several times. She loves bead work and leather work. My aunt crocheted and knit. My grandmother crocheted until she could see straight, others in the family do sewing but not like our family. I love the feel of fabric. I'm very tactile. My daughter loves to make purses! So she's learning. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs
maybe mink but sable and mink are pretty much the same thing. The white could be what some old heraldry called ermine. Mink/Sable/Ermine all go through color changes due to winter. Dark in the spring, the white for cold snowy times. Either way, I'd say these are the same family of furred critters. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: ladya...@cox.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:32:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs I have some Russian sable and some of your fur looks just like it (the darker, reddish one). Hope that helps. Anne -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Plumb Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:31 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs Hello, all. I was given two fur pieces (to be worn around the neck, I assume), and would like some help identifying them and to find out approximately what they're worth. I don't personally wear fur, but it seems a shame to waste them if someone could use them for a costume. I put pictures of them in my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24767...@n06/sets/72157625297457400/ Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Michelle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Opinions on Manesse Codex diagonal stripes
Also, during this period, the silk trade was flourishing. One thing the Orient did to change fabrics was the bound dying. Using a board in a clamp to resist and area and dye the exposed area. The bias of the fabric isn't affected and a unique pattern is created. Maybe this is what the author/designer was doing. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: heather.jo...@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:13:02 -0700 To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Opinions on Manesse Codex diagonal stripes On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: Sigh. Must reconstruct my thoughts, stupid e-mail program erased my message when I hit send. I hate Microsoft. Assuming the patterning isn't a matter of artistic license, I think this is a combination of bias use of a woven stripe fabric, and piecework (constructing fabric out of contrasting strips). Painted fabric wouldn't hold up well. Piecework would have been in the craft vocabulary because of domestic textiles and repair work, as well as to fill in missing corners during garment construction (widening skirts, lengthening sleeves, etc.), If a tailor had striped fabric to work with, it isn't a stretch to see him play around with the patterns that so easily pop up when moving one piece of striped fabric around on top of another. Especially given the existing patterning in contemporary architecture, tiles, etc. Chevrons, here we come! My question is: how many of the striped garments depicted in the Codex are diagonals as opposed to verticals and horizontals? That's one of the interesting things. No vertical stripes at all that I can find. Plenty of horizontal stripes of varying widths. A fair sprinkling of the diagonals. (In both cases, sometimes on a particolored garment with half solid.) A very few examples of chevron (zig-zag) designs. Heather ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cleaning rust from sewing scissors
It may sound strange but I remove rust with ketchup! I apply a glob and let sit overnight. I then buff it out with SOS pads. To remove any burs or rough spots, I cut long strips of aluminum foil. It sharpens scissors well. I have sharpened large old blade cutters the same way. My mom uses vinegar and baking soda to foam it out of tight places. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:08:28 -0500 To: h-cost...@indra.com From: costu...@radiks.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleaning rust from sewing scissors Again, if you don't mind scratches: Zud cleanser, or BarKeeper's Friend cleanser. Both contain oxalic acid, which will chemically react with the rust, and the abrasives (use gently) will help remove it. Do not use if you have a septic system. Sandy At 09:59 PM 7/26/2010, you wrote: I have two pairs of Gingher scissors (with fairly short blades, the kind you use for trimming seams rather than cutting out) and two pairs of fancy embroidery scissors (brand unknown) that are unusably coated with rust. They are all relatively new and I'd prefer to make them usable instead of replacing them. Long story, but the rust is my husband's fault. I insisted that he clean them. First he tried a product called Never-Dull that comes on precoated little fibrous sheets (and is supposed to clean practically any metal), then he tried naval jelly and a toothbrush. They still have a fair amount of rust on them. Does anyone know of a product or method for cleaning them? I am sorry, but I don't know what metal the blades are made of. Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing www.lavoltapress.com Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
It looks like 4 arch angel images inside a twining angular vine. I've seen one that is similar on ebay. I can't remember the name of the seller but they have a business on there for celtic/renaissance fabrics. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:36:14 -0700 From: zkraemer...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth buying?) ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM There´s a sketch of the pattern in Kleidung und Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370 bei Ulrich Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you? Regards, Hanna At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Hi all, I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is: http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif Does anybody have a better picture? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Subject: Arty recycling of garments-Recycled Jacket
Today of MSN.com there is a link to photos of clothes made from other clothes or other things. Just about anything can be restyled http://lifestyle.msn.com/your-life/staticslideshowdg.aspx?cp-documentid=23728245gt1=32055 Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:28:29 -0700 From: f...@lavoltapress.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Subject: Arty recycling of garments-Recycled Jacket Recycling garments into others was routine long before the 1930s. I've always thought that the 1920s would have killed the habit, because 20s styles used so little material in comparison to most garments of previous generations, and because ready-to-wear became the prominent method of obtaining clothing in the 1920s (even though RTW existed long before that). Except, the depression of the 1930s and the rationing of the 1940s forced most people to recycle, so by the 1950s they were associating it with severe hardship and wanted to get away from it. What is different about the recycling of the 1970s and again, recently, is the association with personalizing ready-to-wear garments, translating into making it obvious that you mended, altered, trimmed, and/or dyed the garment, or made it out of something else entirely, such as household linens. I really like the style of that jacket, though I admit the colors, like many men's suit colors, are too neutral for my taste. Good idea though, as men's suits are often discarded when they are still in very good shape. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com On 4/22/2010 12:12 PM, Käthe Barrows wrote: For one of my classes A while Back I had to recycle mens wool garments into a tailored jacket. Recycling garments into other garments became popular in the Great Depression of the 1930s, and became unpopular when it didn't have to be so necessary. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Arty recycling of garments
I do. I go yard sales and buy linen table cloths or curtains and make undergarments for my Renaissance costumes. I got one that is long rectangular for $.50 a few weeks ago. Off white, but no stains ready to be restyled. I buy sweaters to make pillow covers, chenille. Which I can also unweave for yarn if it's not cut side seams. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:42:42 -0700 From: kay...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arty recycling of garments I'm wondering: How many adults are doing arty recycling of garments and linens? By arty I mean more than just buying something second hand and altering it to size. Google on Discarded To Divine. It's an example of Altered Couture, another thing to Google on. Discarded to Divine is a yearly fashion show sponsored by the St. Vincent de Paul in San Francisco, for recycling fabric things too trashed for them to be willing to sell. They turn this stuff over to designers who do altered couture, then hold a fashion show, the profits going to some charity they are into. There should be photos from former shows on their site. I am informed this year's show is coming up soon. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Blackwork pattern sought
Can you send me an image of what you have so far? Maybe I can draw one out for you. I have this site: http://tasha.htmlplanet.com/SCA/4seasons.html It may be the one you're looking for. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: jtkn...@jtknits.cts.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:12:30 -0700 Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork pattern sought I hope this isn't off topic - it *is* for a costume. I'm hoping someone here can help me out. I've misplaced the pattern for some blackwork that's in progress. I've checked everything I have at home and haven't turned it up. The pattern is a counted blackwork with acorns, oak leaves and trellis work that repeats in mirror image/left/right. It's not in Gostelow and not in the Blackwork Archives. I'm pretty sure it was from an online source. Everything else I've checked is a broken link. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Julie in Ramona ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Young Victoria's Film Costumes
Just like the special effects done by computer... things aren't always what they seem. I think it's great to fudge the reality of fabrics sometimes. Unless someone has their hands on the fabric itself, probably won't be able to tell when it's real or faked. It got the desired effect that affected the scene so congratulations on the work!! Need help sometime? Just give me a call if you want more hands to help. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:20:01 -0500 From: albert...@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Young Victoria's Film Costumes There are painted costumes. * There was a wonderful Dutch fabric painter (who I got along with famously) on Interview with the Vampire (Sandy Powell designed that) and much painting in that film. Several people in the shop were worried about things looking painted instead of embroidered but in the film, everything looks fine. The painting also goes further than just imitation of time consuming embroideries, but some plain fabrics are given texture and depth by painting. In Interview... for example, the two young boys Claudia uses to trick Lestat into drinking dead blood... The director decided he wanted the boys dressed alike, so we had to whip up the day before some breeches for them (I had to make them without measurements!) The fabric I was given was a typical moire acetate taffeta in electric yellow! Matilde (the Dutch fabric painter) sprayed and painted the breeches after they were made up to look as they do in the film: a sort of shimmery ochre, which up close glowed and sparkled with a hint of metalic. And of course there's teching (Distressing in theatre terms) which is aging of garments right off the sewing machine. A task I enjoy. It's like makeup for clothes and you can tell a story with where stains and worn places are placed. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Young Victoria's Film Costumes
I looked at many of the photos on the site and found one that I had a question about... this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moorina/3854505420/in/photostream/ Does it look painted to you Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Young Victoria's Film Costumes
I kept looking and found a description that stated that it was handpainted. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:21:43 -0800 To: h-cost...@indra.com From: joa...@surewest.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Young Victoria's Film Costumes At 06:02 PM 1/25/2010, you wrote: I looked at many of the photos on the site and found one that I had a question about... this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moorina/3854505420/in/photostream/ Does it look painted to you Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Yes, it does look painted to me. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] how to fix a pulled seam
iF THE JACKET STYLE WOULD LOOK OKAY WITH A TRIM OVER THE SEAMS, TRY THAT. ZIPGAG OVER THE SEAM BEFORE STITCHING THE TRIM OVER IT. ADD SOME NEW STYLE TO AN OLD FAVORITE. JUST DON'T GO OVERBOARD. MAYBE YOU CAN FIND A SIMILAR CLOTH TO MAKE SOME BIAS TAPE TRIM THAT WON'T BE SO OBVIOUS AS A REPAIR JOB. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: jtkn...@jtknits.cts.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:26:46 -0800 Subject: [h-cost] how to fix a pulled seam Help! I have a favorite jacket I'm trying to save. The fabric is a plain weave silky fabric. The seam was just sewn with a straight stitch with no seam allowance treatment. The stitches are just pulling through the seam allowance making fringe. It's on a 2 piece sleeve near the elbow. What are my options to save this? It's pulled right to the seamline in several places. I'm guessing I'll need to use a zig zag stitch but that's about as far as I've gotten. There's little to no seam allowance to work with. Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Chalking a line
You could always use that water soluable interfacing. Draw on it like on paper, then tack it to the fabric, do your handiwork... and get it wet and the paper-like interfacing disappears. Problem solved and in a short amount of time. But sometimes the prep work does take more than the actual handiwork for the end product. Good luck. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: aqua...@patriot.net Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:37:21 -0500 To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chalking a line On Jan 13, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Alexandria Doyle wrote: I can help but think that running the basting line will take nearly as long to do as doing the couching. I know it won't, I just finished the pearling on the collar and I had the pattern drawn out of muslin, and basted to the black velvet so I could feel where the pearls were to go... alex Thread tracing does take time, but sometimes it's worth it. I once had tiny pleats to make on a very woodgy fabric (grain shifted easily). The thread tracing took longer than it did to actually stitch the pleats, but was the best way to get everything in the right place. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Roman question
Do you have an image to refresh my memory? I think we studied some Early Roman paintings that the teacher said had this type of hood/ covering. I think he suggested that most outer edges were left raw but folded somehow. Like a double piece of fabric that is made when you fold 2 edges together on one piece. Some of the weaving of the cloth was actually woven in the desired shape then stitched side by side, no overlap or seam allowance. I'm not sure if that applied to what you're looking at. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: costume...@mazarineblue.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:23:15 -0700 Subject: [h-cost] Roman question Hi, Finally making progress in my quest to build pieces to use in my history class. The ancients are certainly some of the simplest to build, but of course I have an insatiable need to complicate my life and my projects! So, if you were building a Roman paenula (hooded poncho-like garment) in a thick wool or fake wool (actual fiber not certain), the cut edges of which are pretty stable, how would you sew the seams? Obviously I'm not looking for serging ideas here. I am maybe contemplating actually hand stitching it since it doesn't amount to a whole lot of sewing. I think my question is do we think that they would have lapped the edges and sewn through the layers - no flapping seam allowances on the inside? Or would regular, plain seams, pressed open or to one side seem more likely? This is NOT life altering stuff here! I've not gone over the edge in a quest for period accuracy. I'm just curious. Laurie Taylor (480) 560-7016 www.costumeraz.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] HELP!
I have a projector that doesn't require the transparencies. It can use a book or a photo, turn it on and it's projected onto the wall or onto a fabric hanging up. I used it for making large logo wall murals, a celtic knot design on a bed sheet for a quilt, taking small photos and creating charcoal portraits. It cost about $199 a few years back but well worth it then and now. I'd have to dig it out of my closet to tell you the brand. I think Art-o-graph, but I'll check. My sister used it this week for a quilt design and I don't know where she put it. BUT I promise I'll let you know in the morning when I clean up the crafts room. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: goo...@comcast.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:36:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] HELP! Thank you everyone so much for your suggestions. The recommendation on using a projector has always intrigued me but the unfortunate thing is that now days people who would or did once use them are less likely to, since the upgraded technology has led many to discard the old projector and adopt newer systems such as power point slides, etc. You can, however, still find small projectors at craft stores. I've purchased the gridded pattern interfacing at JoAnn's, and in fact, as soon as DH finds a job, I'm going to have to make a serious supply run. Need interfacing, embroidery stabilizer, just general basics. When I don't have the gridded interfacing on hand, a roll of white paper from an office supply store and a quilter's ruler work too. Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period is this Butterick from?
Maybe the strange world of Art Deco? I've never seen shoulder wing flaps like that. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:17:46 -0700 From: kay...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period is this Butterick from? If you had to assign a time period what date would you give for this: http://www.butterick.com/item/B5405.htm?tab=costumespage=1 1940s? -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] I have a request for info about a wooden loom
I have just done that myself. Mine is a jack loom so my harnesses rise. You'd have to check to see if yours rise or fall or is counterbalanced over a roller. It puts together very similar but I don't know about the counterbalance parts. TO assemble a large floor loom: If you wish I can send a photo with numbers but offboard) 1. layout all the pieces. Find the side pieces. This may be several pieces to form the ends of the frame. One left One right. 2. Most looms have a back board that hold the bottom back edge together. Find that. If there is a front bottom board, connect it as well. 3. THere should be 2 beams that turn. One goes in the back, the warping beam, for winding the yarn onto before carrying the yarn through the heddles. THe other, the cloth beam, is placed in the front about halfway down. This is the beam where the woven fabric is collected once woven. THere may be parts for stopping each of the warping and cloth beams. 4. On mine I attach the strange piece that holds the foot unit where the tie-ups will be later. One brake will prevent the warping beam from turning too much. You'd have to figure out what your loom does, because there are different brakes used. On the front there will be some kind of device to advance the cloth beam, usually looks like a handle of some kind. 5. Castle assembly (I left mine assembled for moving): this is the broad multi-pieced unit that sits on top of the frame. It has the frames that hold the heddles and ropes to lift the harnesses(the wire frame that hold the heddles). Connect this unit to the frame at the sides. Follow the ropes around the round wheels on the end and carry them down and around the end to the under carriage of the castle. It looks like a box that hold 4 or more swinging parts with little hooks to attach the ropes. When attached properly, some kind of hook/bolt will hang down to pick up one of the foot petals to make a pattern. WHen assembled correctly, depress a foot petal, this pulls down one of the undercarriage, pulling the rope tight, lifting or sinking one of the farnesses. If this happens then it's running right. 6. Attach the beater bar unit. It has 2 end boards and one that is horizontal. There are 2 boards but the opper one moves and the bottom one is stationary. It ususally attaches somewhere towards the front edge of both side units. It should swing toward the front easily. 7. There are 2 boards that look alike or very similar. One is a backbeam and one is a breast beam. I think this will be a complete instruction to assemble the loom. I can write the numbers on a photo of a loom if you have one. I can find one if you know the model you have. I went to grad school to do this so I had to assemble and disassemble a loom for a test. Just let me know if you need more help. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:20:06 -0700 To: h-cost...@indra.com From: joa...@surewest.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] I have a request for info about a wooden loom At 05:58 PM 7/27/2009, you wrote: I have a new friend whose daughter inherited a large wooden loom - which unfortunately was disassembled. Does anyone know of a website for general information about reassembling a very large loom? He knows almost nothing about the loom (it's in another state). His daughter could not find any markings on it. It was manually operated. Disassembled, it fit (barely) in the back of a pickup. Is there a website he can use to get some idea of how to put it back together? Thanks, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian Now available: Elephant's Breath and London Smoke: Historical Colors, Names, Definitions Uses www.mantua-maker.com http://mantua-maker-patterns.blogspot.com - See my Color of the Day I would recommend that he look for a Weavers' Guild in his area. That way he can actually find someone who weaves and can draw on their expertise. Here's the web site for the Handweavers' Guild of America http://www.weavespindye.org/ ; other source for guilds are Spin-off Magazine http://spinoffmagazine.com/ and Handwoven http://www.interweave.com/weave/handwoven_magazine/ . Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009cat=sports ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends
I wasn't sure how to create a personna and what to do about making it correctly. Can you look at the sketch I posted in Becky's Iron Dress folder? Please tell me if you think that sketch fits what I want. I like it anyway but want to design one for a specific class. I'll be using my blackwork smock since it's so beautiful. I don't know about my farthingale from my noblity gown. I think it sticks out too far for middle class, from what I've read. I'm starting a diary of my progress but not online. I have photos. I have some wonderful red linen and black linen for the trim. I wanted to make my own braided trim to go on top of the black down the front. It would add some detail with out looking as fancy as my other gown. It's definitely nobility class. I want it above the peasant gown but not noblity. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:01:03 -0700 From: sstormwa...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends Just be a merchant trader's wife, as they usually are rich, and involved in importing in fine fabrics and other fineries that people bought. A tailor was not paid a whole lot to make up those fine fabrics into garments, and was considered just a craftsmen. And women didn't seem to be allowed to own their own stores, unless they were widows continuing their husband's job. I am applying this to England, and it may be even harsher in other countries of the time period. Kimiko --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com wrote: garment. SOmeone with some money but not noblity, rich, merchant trader's wife who runs her own shop to make those nobility and court gowns. She'd have access to left overs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MLOGENpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TXT_MLOGEN_Local_Local_Restaurants_1x1 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends
One way to keep the ends from coming out the holes is to allow extra length and creating a decorative knot. I'm learning Chinese knotwork and love it for trim a well as 'stay-put' knots. SOme people call them frogs but these are the most elegant knots I've ever seen. I'm buying this book when I get working again. In my Iron Dress working, I have decided to weave my own trim using the Chinese knots and a silver/bronze yarn. It will sit on my black linen. It isn't as rich looking as the bought trim but I don't want it to be like a nolibily garment. SOmeone with some money but not noblity, rich, merchant trader's wife who runs her own shop to make those nobility and court gowns. She'd have access to left overs and discarded gowns or get paid with embellishments such as imported beads or silk threads. It's an idea in progress. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:46:58 -0700 From: kay...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question frayed ends For corsets I make I use really big grommets. So a knot in the end of whatever I'm using for lacing is fine, fits right through the holes. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Kate Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote: Certainly not period correct, but I use lacing cord-by-the spool from Greenberg Hammer and using a narrow zig-zag stich on the machine, I stitch about 1.5 down each end a couple of times (actualy I stitch about 3 while stretching the cord to make it as narrow as possible, then cut it from the spool in the center leaving one end already done for the next time) -- then I use Fray-Check on the ends. It's long enough to to last for the run of a show and then trim off the 1/4 or so of the end when it starts to fray, and re-Fray-Check the newly cut end. Kate Pinner -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of albert...@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:37 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question Right now, for convenience and in the interest of stash reduction, I'm using 1/8 and 1/4 silk ribbon, leftover from my last round of silk ribbon embroidery. It's not very satisfactory, but I could not figure out a good alternative. 20 years ago I bought a huge industrial spool of 1/4 cotton twill tape. (I STILL have tons of it!) I use that and it works well, but the ends do fray. I think I ordered the spool from Greenburg Hammer. http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009cat=sports ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Lacing question
When Iuse a ribbon I melt the ends together with a candle. Then it doesn't come unraveled. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:56:52 -0700 From: sstormwa...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing question Hello Laurie I have used shoestrings in the past, really long ones. They work well and in my use remained hidden so it didn't matter if it looked wrong. My latest effigy corset, I had made a 7 strand kumihimo style braid that was actually a test piece for the technique. Really easy to make up, but it takes time. It has a little more stretch than the shoelace, but it was made in blue and white strands of cotton embroidery floss, and is surprisingly strong enough to handle the tension. I gave up ribbons some time ago, as they couldn't handle the strain. You can also buy corset lacing, which I've also used... bought bulk on a roll from a one time source (group buy of corset supplies). I now have more corset boning steels than I know what to do with. Kimiko --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Laurie Taylor costume...@mazarineblue.com wrote: What do you use for lacing your various types of corsets and/or stays? When I think about going to the local fabric store and buying the cotton cord ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Search, add, and share the web’s latest sports videos. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009cat=sports ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Threads top 10 weirdest dresses
At UGA one year, we received a box of art supplies. The packing material was sheets of Bush's Baked Beans, uncut label sheets. One student got an idea.. to use them for a costume/garment we had to make. She cut one large sheet into an apron, a chef hat, oven mitt and placemats from others. It was a really cute getup. She covered them with clear plastic like for table cloths and stitched the edges. The apron and hat were usable but the mitt wasn't for hot stuff. The teacher kept the set. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: cc2010m...@cs.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:30:50 -0400 To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Threads top 10 weirdest dresses Reminds me of an entry at Costume-Con 25 in St. Louis that was made entirely from USPS packing materials. Henry W. Osier Chairman, Costume-Con 28 May 7 to May 10, 2010 www.CC28.org Questions? Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MLOGENpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for teachers and presenters for historic sewing conference
Would airfare be included? If si, I'd like to do a class on blackwork or embroidery/stitiching of the period. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:05:00 +1000 From: aylwe...@gmail.com To: aussieacwfo...@yahoogroups.com; h-cost...@indra.com; 19cwo...@yahoogroups.com; 1812civil...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Looking for teachers and presenters for historic sewing conference Dear friends We are organising a 19th century historical sewing conference to be held over the 2010 June long-weekend in New South Wales, Australia. We are looking for teachers/presenters for workshops, classes and demonstrations. Do you know of anyone who might be interested, or who we can invite to participate? The conference is planned to be all-contained with meals and accommodation provided, and to be located in/near a tourist town so non-sewing partners/parents can participate in outside organised activites. Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy http://www.earthlydelights.com.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Working class pattern
Thank you. I will. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:05:44 -0700 From: elvestoor...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Working class pattern The gold skirt is part of the gown--see the matching bodice. The green is an apron. This doesn't seem to be a purely functional boring old apron, which is only decorated by spills. It is decorated with a strip of trimming down the center front and along the bottom hem. The base of the apron is further trimmed with fringe or tufting. Check out the portfolio of images including a better copy of the Fruit Seller at Festive Attyre: http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/portfolio.html, which has more images by the same artist, including some side and back views. Ann in CT --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com wrote: New image: http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1580_2.shtml New question: In this image, is this the working pattern? Is the a front part of the skirt or an apron. Is she sitting on a gold cloth and the green is her skirt. I see decoration of the front so it must not be an apron. Becky Rautine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Black beads Princess Elizabeth image
I've documented the gown from start to now and hopefully to the end. I'll add this information to the documentation of it. Thanks. My cloth isn't red and gold but an orange-pinkish fabric with the same pattern as that in the portrait. Jacquard or brocade... it looks very similar. Who wouldn't want a gown of fine spun gold thread and deep rich red silk. Sure bet it never had a strain in a seam to fix! I did find out some things on a Lady Jane Grey site that told about how these portraits were painted as bethrothal gift before a marriage. Maybe that was why it was given to her... as a precursor to a good marriage arrangement by her brother or father. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:34:28 -0700 From: sstormwa...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Black beads Princess Elizabeth image Found it in my old emails. Ninya stated: It is in fact red cloth of gold, the mixture of red and gold threads give an overall impression of a different colour. You can see the streaks of gold in the painting. Jacquard is a modern term, and I am not positive if brocade is the right term for the fabric. Whatever the term, you are right... it would have been very expensive! Kimiko --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com wrote: Her gown fabric would have been a jacquard I think so it would have been expensive. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MLOGENpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Black beads Princess Elizabeth image
Can you tell me more about the rings? I've never heard that. I've seen it but never noticed. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:32:52 -0700 From: maggi...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Black beads Princess Elizabeth image On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.comwrote: All her rings match the ouches. Just as a sidebar... notice that there are NO rings on the middle fingers. Look at portrait after 16th century portrait and this is what you find 90% of the time. and not just in England. People are almost never shown with a ring on a middle finger. This feature is pointed out in _Rings for the Finger_ by Kuntz. Ever since I learned this, I find it impossible to wear a ring on a middle finger when in period dress! MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait
Later when I looked at it again, I saw that it was something like a shawl wrapped around under the arms. DOn't know why it's be that way on a noble lady. But I understand what they might be. As for the difference of color, do you think she is wearing just the kirtle and no fancy overdress? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:14:02 -0700 From: sstormwa...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait Hi Rebecca, First of all, it looks to be a later image, meaning a painting not done during her lifetime. Most likely this is a Victorian image or even more modern, I don't know for sure. But the background looks familiar. I think we talked about a similar painting here before. The doublet as you've named it is her bodice, most likely square necked with a partlet over the top of it; in this case with a standing collar in what is modernly called medici style. It is odd that the bottom of the bodice is black, when the rest of the gown is not black. This tells me that the artist didn't really understand Tudor fashions. Usually, if any part of the gown were to contrast, it would be the partlet worn over the upper half of the chest, along with the foresleeves and forepart (the decorative parts of the kirtle). The whole gown usually is of one fabric. As to the white things on her shoulder... I would say it is a linen rail; a large linen square being worn much like a shawl, but how it is only on the sleeves... maybe pinned?. I have an image showing a similarly worn rail that is contemporary. http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/TudorWomen/1530/MargaretPole.html hth, Kimiko --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com wrote: This is a portrait I haven't seen before... of Lady Jane Grey. http://www.bitterwisdom.com/ladyjanegrey/life/panel-2-lady-jane-grey.jpg I found this and like the doublet style. Can anyone tell me what the white things are on the shoulders? What can you tell me about the making of this gown? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Black beads Princess Elizabeth image
Well, I'm making mine look like enamel work. Same shape, same color as the portrait. The longer I looked at the ones I'm making, I decided to change them from the diamond shape to a more rounded one. I cut off the points and it looks fine. I trimmed down the round dome into a cut gen stone look. So they look much like the ouches in the portrait...but now I have to make 18 more for the ones I bought long ago. Oh well, a few at a time and it'll get done. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:43:28 -0500 From: garbaho...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Black beads Princess Elizabeth image During this period it was common for the diamonds to have a foil backing, so they could and do typically look black in paintings. alex On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.comwrote: After all the discussion about the black beads in other portraits, I see the black squares in the Princess ELizabeth portrait as the black with a white spot like someone said. Could these be diamonds instead of onyx or some other black stones?The pearls are black here, but maybe the others are. One site that reproduces Renaissance jewelry has this as a white diamond instead of the black square on the necklace part. I'm making this complete outfit for my daughter. Are these suppose to be white diamonds instead of the black squares? I never thought about it until the recent eye-opening research on black pearls in paintings. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- So much to do and so little attention span to get it done with… ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing™ now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPGpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait
I was searching for images of doublets online. I came across Lady Jane Grey ones. Then I looked at them and found this one. It's online, that's all I know. It struck me as different with the white fabric. Not nobility looking at all. But it peaked my interests. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:14:50 -0700 From: kay...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait What a strange portrait. It looks like an amalgamation, or artist's re-imagining of something like these two gowns, with a bit of Flanders flair in the color and in the hat: As others have already said, I'd guess a much later date, more like early 20th century than Victorian, though. The face is what I based my mid-20th-century guess on. This example doesn't look like a 1920s face. And, as it happens, I own a c.1922-goes-Renaissance doll (as in, probably made c.1922). It has much more of the c.1922 line to the dress - that dropped waist-and-panniers look - along with a plausible ruff, skirt, neckline, and sleeves. So I'm guessing mis-20th-Century rather than early-20th-Century. Where did this portrait come from? Do we know anything else about it? -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Black beads Princess Elizabeth image
With a larger photo, do the pearls on the french hood look like 2 different colors? Some gray on the outside and whiter ones to the inside. Or am I just looking too close now that I take the time to do so. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: otsi...@socket.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:47:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Black beads Princess Elizabeth image I stand corrected. Black diamonds are/were very, very rare but were know as early as 1477 with Mary of Burgundy's engagement ring. -Original Message- A larger pic. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/El_bieta_I_lat_13.jpg http://tinyurl.com/lyd429 To my understanding, black diamonds are post 1600. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait
I am making the ouches/buttons to look similar to the gold and black ones in the picture. I will say I think they are enamel work so mine will look like those. I decided to round up what I had and they really look close. I just have to make 40 of them! I already have the 20 on the sleeves. I counted them all and got 45 on the neckline and hood, then added 20 for the belt/girdle top=about 65. I'm making more in case some get lost or broken. I'll store those in my stash of beads. I may not want to make them down the road. I make a few, then do something else... then make some more...bake them, shape them, carve on the details, paint them then seal them. Lots of work but that's the only way for it to look accurate like my daughter wants. Since it's all hand sewn, I might enter the whole thing in some contest at the next faire we go to. Anything in Texas, Arkansas or Louisiana area where I could do that? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:05:01 -0700 From: kay...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait Unless you plan on having the garment judged for its accuracy, enjoy yourself in your interpretation. At a place like CostumeCon there's a whole category called Interpretation, for different takes on historical garments. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MLOGENpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait
It would be for myself. I found one of the doublet/bodice with an embroidered open necked collar that I love. It had a small ruff on the neckband and it matched the front of the skirt. I'll find it and post it for suggestions. I love the idea of embroidery on the inside of the top and turned outward as design. SInce I fell in love with the blackwork, I'd like to try the embroidery details on the next one after recreating my daughter's Princess ELizabeth one that I'm waiting on Margo's Tudor pattern to do that. I'm taking it apart and waiting to change it all. It's a shame I have to take it apart. It was all hand sewn, too. Took my a little less than a 3 months to do just the gown. THe parts took longer to find that to make it. That whole process took almost a year. I didn't get to finish it due to weather on the day she was to wear it and moving. She's grown so much, it's all too tight now...so reconstruction time! It's so beautiful, I want her to wear it at least a couple of times before making another one for her. She has her own ideas of what her next one will be. Add it to the To-Do List. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:34:24 -0700 From: sstormwa...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait No, I think that the artist gave us their modern interpretation of how things were worn, as we see in the images as given on that site on Lady Jane Grey. If you want to make it that way, then go for it. Just know that some people might wonder why it is off on the style of the time period. Unless you plan on having the garment judged for its accuracy, enjoy yourself in your interpretation. Kimiko --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com wrote: As for the difference of color, do you think she is wearing just the kirtle and no fancy overdress? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing™ now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPGpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait
I think the other font was Garamond or one of the thicker curvilinear ones. But that didn't matter. I just thought it was a strange picture. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: otsi...@socket.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:22:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about a portrait Lost the URL for the picture. Does this come close to it? http://www.fontspace.com/livin-hell/carnivalee-freakshow This is 1800s font. -Original Message- If the font is any indication of the date then I would say 1800s and not 1500s. My resident calligrapher says the font is at least 1950's; if earlier, probably confined to cowboys-and-indians Westerns. chimene ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Black beads Princess Elizabeth image
I remember someone saying something about that long ago. I think it was barely seen as some kind of hidden thing between her and her brother since he was the one that gave the painting to her...or so I'm told. All her jewelry is gold, but I can't see much of the bracelet, except that it has little beading similar to the gold beading used with enamel work. I don't know the term, but it uses tiny gold beads to make lines and filled in areas. VERY DELICATE looking.All her rings match the ouches. Her gown fabric would have been a jacquard I think so it would have been expensive. THe massive pearls would have been expensive...all showing she had rich roots even if she didn't become queen. Family money to those who might want the ear of the king by marrying his daughter. Also in similar patterns of pearls in other Tudor portraits, Elizabeth had many more pearls in the grouping. I count 6 smaller ones with 2 larger pearls sitting on them. In one of Mary, I think, it's 4 small and 1 large. There are others with the pearl group and ouches in a set pattern so I can compare them in needed or just to kill time. Someone suggested that the open blank book was to support her religious background and not favor any religion since there was a break with the Catholic Church at that time. Her finger in the book also showed that she was devote and a worthy wife-to-be. It might have been propaganda for future husbands, just in case she wasn't to be queen one day. A bargining chip in negotiations. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: otsi...@socket.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:16:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Black beads Princess Elizabeth image I had noticed that too. Could be shading when compared to the pearls on her neckline. I just noticed that she has a gold bracelet on her left wrist. :) I wonder what the symbolism/meaning to the open book with no writing or print on the pages. De -Original Message- With a larger photo, do the pearls on the french hood look like 2 different colors? Some gray on the outside and whiter ones to the inside. Or am I just looking too close now that I take the time to do so. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine -Original Message- A larger pic. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/El_bieta_I_lat_13.jpg http://tinyurl.com/lyd429 To my understanding, black diamonds are post 1600. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Black beads Princess Elizabeth image
After all the discussion about the black beads in other portraits, I see the black squares in the Princess ELizabeth portrait as the black with a white spot like someone said. Could these be diamonds instead of onyx or some other black stones?The pearls are black here, but maybe the others are. One site that reproduces Renaissance jewelry has this as a white diamond instead of the black square on the necklace part. I'm making this complete outfit for my daughter. Are these suppose to be white diamonds instead of the black squares? I never thought about it until the recent eye-opening research on black pearls in paintings. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] FW: Black beads Princess Elizabeth image
Along this same line how does the girdle end? It doesn't show in the portraits I have seen.. I never noticed it wasn't shown in the images before. I made the little urn shapes, the beads and all the part that hangs down in front. I haven't gotten to the pearls yet, but they are sorted and waiting... what is the concensus of how it should end??? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: zearti...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Black beads Princess Elizabeth image Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:28:28 -0400 After all the discussion about the black beads in other portraits, I see the black squares in the Princess ELizabeth portrait as the black with a white spot like someone said. Could these be diamonds instead of onyx or some other black stones?The pearls are black here, but maybe the others are. One site that reproduces Renaissance jewelry has this as a white diamond instead of the black square on the necklace part. I'm making this complete outfit for my daughter. Are these suppose to be white diamonds instead of the black squares? I never thought about it until the recent eye-opening research on black pearls in paintings. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. See how. _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Question about a portrait
This is a portrait I haven't seen before... of Lady Jane Grey. http://www.bitterwisdom.com/ladyjanegrey/life/panel-2-lady-jane-grey.jpg I found this and like the doublet style. Can anyone tell me what the white things are on the shoulders? What can you tell me about the making of this gown? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: zearti...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:31:00 -0400 Subject: [h-cost] FW: Black beads Princess Elizabeth image Along this same line how does the girdle end? It doesn't show in the portraits I have seen.. I never noticed it wasn't shown in the images before. I made the little urn shapes, the beads and all the part that hangs down in front. I haven't gotten to the pearls yet, but they are sorted and waiting... what is the concensus of how it should end??? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: zearti...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Black beads Princess Elizabeth image Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:28:28 -0400 After all the discussion about the black beads in other portraits, I see the black squares in the Princess ELizabeth portrait as the black with a white spot like someone said. Could these be diamonds instead of onyx or some other black stones?The pearls are black here, but maybe the others are. One site that reproduces Renaissance jewelry has this as a white diamond instead of the black square on the necklace part. I'm making this complete outfit for my daughter. Are these suppose to be white diamonds instead of the black squares? I never thought about it until the recent eye-opening research on black pearls in paintings. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. See how. _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need Ruff Making Advice
Iy msy be on a band or attached directly to the neckline of a high necked shirt/tunic thingy. The fabric does need to be very stiff to stand out like that. Ironing before stitching can create those knife-sharp creases. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:01:44 -0700 From: kay...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need Ruff Making Advice My son and I are making an anime costume http://www.geocities.com/eyesofaclown/images/Perriot.JPG . Does anyone have advice on how to attach the ruffles to the band. The one in your image looks similar to cartridge pleating. To stiffen it, start with something already a little stiff and double it over. Two layers are stiffer than one is, and the folded outer edge takes care of any hem issues. For a costume ruff you might even use one thickness of stiff non-woven interfacing. I like to use several yards of the selvedge of something for my ruffs - not exactly correct, but neater at the outside edge than any hem I can do. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset for a man
When I read this email, the scene of them lacing up the old drunk gunslinger (Lee Marvin) in the movie Cat Balue came to mind. That made me laugh. I might just have to find that movie to watch again. Nothing wrong with men wearing corsets. They do the same thing for men as they do women. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: sha...@collierfam.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 03:09:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset for a man Dark Garden in San Francisco, a corset making business, regularly makes men's corsets. You might want to contact them. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Corset for a man Hi there, I am asked to make experiments with a romantic era corset - for a man! So far I only found information in Waisted Efforts, but I am sure there are other sources somewhere else. Any recommendations or things to consider when lacing a man? Thank you so much, Hanna *clueless this time* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ SkyDrive™: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Pair of Bodies for a petite figure.
I took loose the bottom of my old corset and added tabs. In the spaces I added longer boning, too. It helped tremendously. I like the grommets and the ties to hold them together. My new one doesn't have those... YET. After wearing the farthingale and it being a bit too long, the grommets and ties will be added before the next time I wear it. My new one does have the tabs and it make everything much more comfortable for me. It actually stayed on my waist/hips... which isn't as defined as it used to me. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: sha...@collierfam.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:13:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Pair of Bodies for a petite figure. My daughter is thin and made a corset without tabs. She has not been happy with it, as it transfers all the weight of the farthingale and skirts to her waist/back. She now wishes she'd made one with tabs to help distribute the weight better. Remember, thin women don't have as much padding as we not-so-thin ones. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:32 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Pair of Bodies for a petite figure. This has been cross posted to another list so sorry if you get it twice. I've offered to help a friend make her first Elizabethan outfit and I am not sure about the best style of corset to recommend as her body type is exactly opposite to mine. She is short, very slim with almost no hips or bust whatsoever (whereas all my experience comes from fitting my 5'10 overweight, very curvy figure). She will be using the Reconstructing History corset pattern https://www.reconstructinghistory.com/rh203-elizabethan-corsets.php?s=c=22; d=190e=30q=2p=43w=21 (I think the most important difference is probably between the boned or unboned tabs). So for those with experience fitting similarly non curvy figure type which style would you suggest? Thanks Elizabeth --- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The meaning of hand position in art - OT?
Those are called Hand Mudras. Jesus usually uses the pan mudra. Check Christian Iconography and symbolism in Christian art. The hand positions are basically the same in most religions. I found this: http://www.joyofsects.com/art.shtml Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: wickedf...@msn.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:26:53 -0700 Subject: [h-cost] The meaning of hand position in art - OT? Well, I guess this could be considered OT - or mannerisms are a part of fashion - I know someone here knows this...where or how do I find information on the hand positions in artwork??? These are a few links below for examples...the one I was really thinking of was where the hand is held up and the forefinger touches the thumbof course I can't find a picture of it right now. It seems to me that I remember it as a typical gesture in the paintings of Christ and/or the Madonna. http://www.viewbuildings.com/simages/isleham-full.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Jan_van_Eyck_001.jpg Thanks in advance! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pattern for red dress on Dr Who
It looks like the transaction period between the Civil war era and early victorian. There are several patterns that are similar but none that I know of that has that kind of front. SImplicity has several that might work. Check their historical patterns on their website. May not be totally accurate but easy to make. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:47:34 +1000 From: sid.yo...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Pattern for red dress on Dr Who I am trying to locate a suitable pattern to possibly recreate the red dress featured on an episode of the Sci Fi show Dr Who Below are some links, does anyone recognise the dress style and perhaps suggest a pattern to use as a base? http://www.thestage.co.uk/images/pics/24120.jpg http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/galleries/doctor-who-christmas-special/04/mainImage.jpg http://z.about.com/d/scifi/1/0/m/O/-/-/s0_05_wal_03.jpg http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp245/combomweek3/more_tnd_pics/TNDb_35.jpg?t=1241487067 http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp245/combomweek3/more_tnd_pics/TNDb_18.jpg?t=1241487143 http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif Thanks Sidney ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC27
Where is it this year? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:42:24 -0400 From: annbw...@aol.com Subject: [h-cost] CC27 Dear List, I'm going to check out Costume Con this year, since it is nearby.? As I've never been, what will list members be wearing as ID? Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates2_042009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC27
What is the H for? I know some kind of badge...why an H?What does the H stans for? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:24:33 -0400 From: judymi...@theoldforest.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC27 annbw...@aol.com wrote: So sounds like I should contrive some kind of red H, eh? Ann Wass That's been the standard for the last few years at conventions (or anywhere that uses badges). Some sort of red H. -Judy Mitchell ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] stitching on ruffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Is the stronger white line at the base some kind of support? I wonder how much this one weighs!! Beautiful in it's curved shapes but way more than I'd want to wear. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:29:05 +1000 From: annette.wil...@environment.gov.au To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] stitching on ruffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Until recently I had thought that the figure-of-eight ruffs were never stitched to hold the shape, but last week I found a portrait in a current Sotherby's catalogue for a sale of Old Master and early British paintings. This is the link to the catalogue: http://www.sothebys.com/app/paddleReg/paddlereg.do?dispatch=eventDetails event_id=29138 and the particular painting is: http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159527660 The ruff is formed with a lattice effect, intersecting 4 times, and there is a pearl at every intersection, with a group of 3 pearls at the top and bottom edge. I think the pearls are stitched on, rather than representing pin-heads, especially given the groups of pearls at top and bottom. It would be a nightmare to reset after washing. I have never seen anything similar - has anyone else? Suzi, is this similar to the one you referred to. Needless to say I have downloaded it for future reference. Annette Wilson - Message: 2 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:39:41 +0200 From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 200904091839.n39iduov018...@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hello, has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the outer edge to keep the 8s in shape? Period Costume for Stage and Screen even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? Thank you, Hanna -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:55:26 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke s...@suziclarke.co.uk Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 7.0.1.0.2.20090409195249.03cb2...@suziclarke.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 19:39 09/04/2009, you wrote: Hello, has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the outer edge to keep the 8s in shape? Period Costume for Stage and Screen even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? I have seen pictures of ruffs where the 8s are apparently held together, probably with wax (see Janet Arnold). I am sure I also have a photo of a ruff held with red beads - I'll have to go and look for that though - my library is not next to the computer! Suzi -- If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
NOt that anyone would want to part with sucha a valuable item. I was suggesting it might contain missing photographs that are a part of history of old films. With all those photos of different people, most might have been lost over the years and few existing news articles, magazine articles or such of that era. That is what I meant. A collector would love to get one like this. A museum might want it for their collection of film era history. It might be somethng of HISTORICAL signifigance, as well as amusement value. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:01:26 -0400 From: exst...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com wrote: It might even be worth something to them. I must admit, the Cash in the Attic watcher in me saw dollar signs. If I owned this scrapbook, though, I don't think I'd be able to part with it... thanks so much for photographing it and sharing it with us! -E House (drat my limited bandwidth satellite internet connection...) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
What a collection of photos. I wonder who the twin ladies are. I love the dragonfly/dancers. One photo near the end kinda looks like Drew Barrymore. Thanks for sharing them. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:13:14 -0700 From: litln...@slumberland.seattle.wa.us To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question On 3/14/09 6:22 AM, Wendi Dunlap wrote: You might also enjoy the photo collection I've posted at http://www.flickr.com/photos/litlnemo/sets/72157615210203836/ . I just thought of another thing I have that might be helpful: http://slumberland.org/vintage_kitchen/kitchenimages.html It's actually a collection of images of kitchens, intended to include images from 1905-1925, but so far most of the images are 1917-1920, and some of them do include women in period clothing and might be useful. Of course, they are all American, but still might give some insight. For some reason I seem to be collecting stuff from the 1910s lately. :) W -- *---+---+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
Is there some museum dedicated to old black and white films? Maybe they could help identify some of the photos. It might even be worth something to them. It is quite a documentation of photos from that era. With a bit of work it would be a wonderful edition with labels and additional infor on what you can get. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:43:06 -0700 From: litln...@slumberland.seattle.wa.us To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question On 3/15/09 9:32 AM, Becky Rautine wrote: What a collection of photos. I wonder who the twin ladies are. I wonder too. They don't seem to be any of the most famous sisters or twins I know of in films of that era like Norma and Constance Talmadge, etc. But my facial recognition abilities are so poor that I might miss an obvious identification. I have been going through and trying to identify people in the pictures when possible, but any identifications would be welcome! Just last night I was able to identify several, and find other copies of some of these photos on the Web. But there are many people there that can't be identified. One sad thing is that many of these actors pictured have very few or no surviving films left to watch. The majority of films from that era have not survived, I think. I am glad people enjoyed the scrapbook! It really does have some nice images of circa-1916 fashion. On 3/15/09 11:12 AM, albert...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/15/2009 12:33:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zearti...@hotmail.com writes: I love the dragonfly/dancers That might be Anna Pavlova. I think it may be -- there is another clipping loose in the book of a dancer in the same costume, labeled as Pavlova. W -- *---+---+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] link??? Was: Large family
My great-grand father had 6 wives and 18 kids. My grandfather had 15 kids... I know about large families. I have 62 first cousins and second cousins. When he died at 76 he had 201 descendants!!! Our family reunion is a hoot. We hope half of them DON'T show up. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:44:30 -0800 From: maggi...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] link??? Was: Large family That and multiple remarriages can give one person a huge number of children and step children o ver a wide age range. MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Saragrace Knauf wickedf...@msn.com wrote: What post was this in reply to??? I must have missed the link...but I would bet your are looking at some donor picture where they painted every kid they ever had - even if it died young. Sg From: la...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Large family (Was Mary I -- FOUND) There is the old saying that Bach had 20 children because his organ had no stops Laurie From: zearti...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:49:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Browned lace Edwardian? Collars
I've cleaned antique lace and doilies with Didi7 and Oxyclean. Start mild. You can always add more. You never can tell when to much is used until it messes up the lace. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:06:09 -0800 From: f...@lavoltapress.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Browned lace Edwardian? Collars Wanda Pease wrote: snip Being totally ignorant about lace... were they ever supposed to be white? The most beautiful three are ecru (?) or a coffee with lots of cream shade. Quite possibly not. The late Victorians and Edwardians very much liked antique-looking ecru and cream shades for lace. If you hand wash the lace in a gentle soap solution, what comes off is probably dirt and what remains is probably dye of some sort (coffee was sometimes used, among other things). Fran Lavolta Press New book on 1820s clothing! http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats
The closest SCA is almost 2 hours away from me now. If I move to Dallas, I think my sister will go with me. We both love costumes and this period. She makes costumes/garb for the Pocahontas Festival in Larado for several years. BEAUTIFUL beading. HEAVY costumes, too. I'm trying to find boning or something to use for my sorset. The ties I bought aren't long enough so back to the store they go. My neighbor has a yard of MASSIVE bamboo. I may get some of that and strip it into narrow pieces to use. I'll use it green and have it on a dummy until it's dried inside. That way it should keep whatever shape I put it into. It will take some work but no money since it's free. I'm now working so I have no extra money (extra= any). Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: wickedf...@msn.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:50:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats Dear Rebecca, I see the SCA in your future: :) ...I started at Ren Fests too and am having about 100 times more fun there... Anyway - the pleats. I haven't done the mockup yet, but I will probably try Jean Hunnisetts method which is a series of strips (I think - she shows an example them cut in a strip and a pattern of how they attach) of box pleats. I am not entirely convinced yet, but I will start there and fiddle till I am happy - may be next year before I am happy. I think I will be going through a lot of wool in the mean time Sg From: zearti...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:35:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats I looked at the picture for a while. Are these hanging from the sleeve like a thick fringe or sewn to some type of fabric and that hangs from the lower edge? I think that if it's just hanging there it might turn all which-a-way and not look right. I'm interested in how this is done. I know the site tells how to cut the effect but not how to attach it. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Bamboo for corsets, was Re: Arnolfi dags and pleats
The ones I can find around here are too short. I bought 2 packs today and they were 11 and about 2-3 inches too short for my torso. I'll go looking again tomorrow. The bamboo I was considering is a Japanese kind used for making furniture and it doesn't splinter unless it's cut that way. It grows about 40 feet tall and sections are around 15-20 long. It's diameter can be up to 6 inches. It's like a forest in his yard. I'd need only one at that size. I may try a few and see what happens but I plan to make the top of the channels with a removable tape so I can remove the boning if I have to wash it anyway. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:50:26 -0800 From: morrgha...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bamboo for corsets, was Re: Arnolfi dags and pleats At the expense of my pride I must try to discourage using bamboo. I was young I didn't really know any better, and it was a bad idea. It splintered the first time I wore it. If you are looking for a cheap boning, I would use zip ties. Morrghan From: Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:37:26 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bamboo for corsets, was Re: Arnolfi dags and pleats At 01:45 PM 3/5/2009, you wrote: The closest SCA is almost 2 hours away from me now. If I move to Dallas, I think my sister will go with me. We both love costumes and this period. She makes costumes/garb for the Pocahontas Festival in Larado for several years. BEAUTIFUL beading. HEAVY costumes, too. I'm trying to find boning or something to use for my sorset. The ties I bought aren't long enough so back to the store they go. My neighbor has a yard of MASSIVE bamboo. I may get some of that and strip it into narrow pieces to use. I'll use it green and have it on a dummy until it's dried inside. That way it should keep whatever shape I put it into. It will take some work but no money since it's free. I'm now working so I have no extra money (extra= any). Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine I'd be very leery of using bamboo. It splinters very easily and such splinters pierce just about any fabric and can go into your flesh. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Bamboo for corsets, was Re: Arnolfi dags and pleats
I will go look tomorrow. I didn't know they came that long. I definitely ask for the longer ones. I can cut them myself.. I think. We have a can of that plastic cover paint to use on the ends. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:24:03 -0600 From: d...@reddawn.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bamboo for corsets, was Re: Arnolfi dags and pleats Becky Rautine wrote: The ones I can find around here are too short. I bought 2 packs today and they were 11 and about 2-3 inches too short for my torso. I'll go looking again tomorrow. I believe the bigger ones are sold with plumbing supplies. They come in 24 and 36 lengths. If you ask for zip ties or cable ties you'll get the shorter ones. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace
When I make a continious string necklace, I make sure to add knots ever so often so if it breaks, it all doesn't hit the floor. I also use strong fishing line or fine metal wire when I can...both. Heavy beads definitely use several strands of the strongest fishing line I can find. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: sha...@collierfam.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:06:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace My mom uses plastic wrapped wire, and fastens the ends with a tiny (less than 1/8 sq.)crimp. Look at my pearls next time you see me. Sharon -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:36 AM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace Im planning a necklace, as an accessory to a 15th c Italian gown, and would like to know if, and how, to make one that is a continuous strand. The clerk at the bead shop didnt know how. All she wanted to do was sell me inappropriate findings. I'm sure there's a way, I just dont know what to call it so I can search online. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND
I like the Marquite one. Anyone have any idea how that partlet was textured or manipulated to look like that? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: e...@huskers.unl.edu To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:01:53 + Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND It isn't really more on the Mary I painting, but this miniature of Catherine de Medici has the same odd ermine piping, and prominant eyes. http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Miniature-of-Catherine-De-Medici-Posters_i1586548_.htm I wonder if they know that Margurite of Valois further down the page is upside down? From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Dunham [chim...@ravensgard.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:38 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND My dear husband is loopy tonight, too much work out in the cold today. So he was noodling around on-line, bored with his cheating cribbage program (!), and found the original Mary I painting. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHouseOfTudor still looking for an attribution. (for hours and hours and hours! no luck!!) ah, the wonder-boy does it again! I had cleaned away all the links to the engraving that started this, but he has found it http://womenshistory.about.com/od/tudor/a/tudor_women_4.htm The caption there says after Holbein! Comparing the two, we find it very interesting how much older the monochrome looks (the person in the monochrome, I mean), vs. the child in color! The white furring in the color image looks much more reasonable, too. enjoy! Chimene Gerek ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats
Didn't know what dagging was so I looked it up. Found lots about the painting but only this one on the technique: http://jauncourt.i8.com/dagges/index.htm Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:39:17 -0800 From: cinbar...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats I think I'd dig out some scrap wool and make a few samples. That's a lot of wool to cut up badly ruin. Do early samples on maybe a 12x12 piece work out the scale. Make your final samples big so you can get an idea not just of scale density of cuts, but of the droop, ravelling, directionality of the resulting mass. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com I have posted pictures and a journal entry here: http://wickedfrau.livejournal.com/1966.html http://pics.livejournal.com/wickedfrau/pic/3fze/g8 (Picture is here) I am wondering how big those dags and pleats areHunnisett thinks they are only 2 square. What do you think? Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats
I looked at the picture for a while. Are these hanging from the sleeve like a thick fringe or sewn to some type of fabric and that hangs from the lower edge? I think that if it's just hanging there it might turn all which-a-way and not look right. I'm interested in how this is done. I know the site tells how to cut the effect but not how to attach it. I'm working on a corset/body now that my Iron Hand smock is done. I washed it, neatly pressed it and it sits waiting for the other pieces to get done. Then I'm dressing up and having my portrait taken so I can paint a massive picture of myself and my daughter in our garb...and then I'll make up some story of that being my ancestors way back in Scotland under the Clan Buchanan (McCammon sept) I may even weave triangle shawls os the tartan pattern the whole thing! Won't we be a site at the next Ren Faire Which I think will be the one outside of Dallas... REAL SOON... waiting on my tax refund to have money to go. I'm also posting a picture of my new grandson from my visit this weekend. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: wickedf...@msn.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:11:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats This is cool - another alternative to Hunnisett's method. From: zearti...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:29:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats Didn't know what dagging was so I looked it up. Found lots about the painting but only this one on the technique: http://jauncourt.i8.com/dagges/index.htm Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND
WOW what a family! Do you think they are all the main couple's kids or some of the married children's kids included. I don't know anything about this portrait. I count 20 kids but not sure. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:08:07 -0500 From: hope.greenb...@uvm.edu To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND After Holbein - I'll say - way after! Holbein died in what, 1543, which would be just a few months after Mary Queen of Scots was born. Mary 1 of England died in 1558. If those sleeves happened before the 1560s I'd be mightily surprised. The nearest I can find on a quick look is ZEEUW, Cornelis de Portrait of the De Mucheron Family1563 http://www.wga.hu/art/z/zeeuw/p_family.jpg It's a wonder how these things get propagated, though. Here's an article from about.com that uses the image, which it got from clipart.com that has the same (must be erroneous) attribution. http://womenshistory.about.com/od/medbritishqueens/tp/medieval_british_queens.01.htm http://www.clipart.com/en/close-up?o=5272687memlevel=Aa=aq=mary%20ik_mode=alls=1e=15show=c=cid=findincat=g=cc=page=k_exc=pubid= - Hope ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Rabbit - was: What kind of fur would you use for this?** NOT BUN!
One thing to look at also as a source is a second hand store or Salvation army clothing area. I have found some old mink or beaver coats there that make great costume additions. I have a beaver coat that looks just like mink. It's soft and delicate but extremely sturdy! It doesn't shed much either. It is an awful coat by the cut of it but the fabric/leather/fur is the reason I bought it...to use as something else. A fur cape maybe one day. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: albert...@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:44:47 -0500 To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rabbit - was: What kind of fur would you use for this?** NOT BUN! In a message dated 3/2/2009 8:28:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, celticredhead2...@yahoo.com writes: Someone told me that rabbit (and cat) are one of the few furs that sheds Well my cat does shed, but I haven't killed it and skinned it.yet. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress
Off topic... but This is the first time I noticed your name is the same forward as backwards. I like that. It's unique. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: otsi...@socket.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:01:20 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress Were you not wanting to not line it for heat reasons or sewing reasons? If you were wanting a cooler outfit you might try tropical weight wool and line with linen for the outer piece and make the kirtle out of linen, only lining the bodice. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] extra RE: Italian sleeve question
I recently had to deconstruct my skirt (due to not being made the correct size). When I clipped the stitching that was holding the pleats so tight, and attached it to a larger band... there was less fabric for the tightly gathered pleating. They didn't stand up as nicely as before. I stitched a strip of felted wool to the underside of the pleats, then regathered them onto the new band. It still had some slack. I inserted beads in between each pleat at 2 places (one small bead near the band and one slightly larger bead about 1.5 inches outward). The felt padded the pleats well and the result looks very similar to the image. It lays correctly on the bum roll and adds the poof I wanted. It also spaces each pleat the same amount. I think this is what the top of the sleeves are, and not a fringe. I don't know if this is period or not but it holds the shape I want and adds detail to the waist area. The puffyness is probably something inside it to fluff it up to much. That's my guess.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: otsi...@socket.net To: h-cost...@indra.com; italian_renaissance_costum...@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:44:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] extra RE: Italian sleeve question I don't think that it is embroidery but a similar colored brocade or a fabric that had an edge that had a gold thread design interwoven. this would make sense with the two part sleeve and that the bodice looks to be pleated as well to match the cuff ruffle and the sleeve cap. Side note: She seems to be wearing a shift under her camicia. De-Original Message- Greetings to the list, I have spent too much time looking at paintings today and have been entranced by this one in particular. The dress is begging to be made someday, in my mind. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/CARIANISeduction.JPG These sleeves look like the sleeve head has been embroidered and then cartridge pleated, also at the cuff and then cartridge pleated near the elbow area. Am I interpreting this correctly? And I am thinking the bodice is with the same treatment but is flat, yes? Thanks for any input to my question. Lyonet lurker 99.9% of the time ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Byzantine Headresses
From my course in Early Christian history, the costumes of that time were richly decorated with pearls, rubies and other gems. These were representative of the chest plate from the tribe of Joshua. Justinian and Theodora were some of the most known Byzantian royality. During this time, Byzantium was the capital of the Holy Roman Empire, due to Constintine learning/following Christianity. He converted on his death bed but not earlier. The Christian church had been in Rome but was moved to Constantinople/Byzantium. This caused a great rift in the Christian leaders and a power struggle followed. The rich costuming can be researched through the colors and the use of gems thru iconography and lexicon books. I'd suggest finding a portrait or mural image and trying to replicate it's style. It doesn't have to be exact due to the cost of such an enterprise, but there are great fake gems that can give the same effect. A good suggestion would be to find someone connected with a Greek Orthodox Church. Their branch of Chritianity is pretty much the same as during this time period. The Virgin Mary was the patriarch of Byzantium and protector of the city. Someone from within the Greek Orthodox belief might give you more examples of the costuming and the meaning behind them. What I couldn't find for my research paper came from such a man who was more than happy to share the glory of the meanings of the Christian iconography and meanings that are lost in so many religious ceremonies today. That was the best clas I ever had. It taught the course as fact thru the art and buildings, not a theological aspect. It gave the history of the period and how the symbols came into existance and how they changed over the years.I learned quite a bit about early Christian history that wasn't taught in Sunday school. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: penhal...@juno.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:10:01 + To:! h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Byzantine Headresses I am writing on behalf of a friend who is interested in doing some Byzantine woman's headresses. She can only find a few basic styles (I think she's actually only found one!) and is interested in sources which might show her different options. Does anyone here know of places which would be good to search? Karen Seamstrix Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates approvals nationwide http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1fTGjHBEK8KkVNOzw1knq9MAAXOZGR23feYZFjhESBvKmOU/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seeking A Patternmaker
I would like to help if I can. I have made many garments and costumes but don't know if I have references for them. I am very good a graphics and computer work so the electronic versions are no problem. Just let me know what you need.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:18:02 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Seeking A Patternmaker I'm looking into contracting out some of my patternmaking work. I've contacted a number of companies, but I thought I'd try here as well. If anyone knows of an independant contractor with professional skills, references, and experience, who can supply electronic files of finished work, and who is enthusiastic about historical costume, please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Margo ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cow costume for Into the Woods
I know that Simplicity has one that is very easy to make and might be cheaper than renting at most places. I'd be willing to help make it if you get the material or send me the money to get it here. Let me know if you'd consider that option. we can discuss it. We did Into the Woods several years agoand I don't remember a cow. But then I was backstage doing makeup and didn't see it all either. My daughter was only a month old then. They used her for the baker's baby in the last scene. She played a boy and loved the singing. They used a crying track since she wouldn't cry when they sang to her. It shocked the whole audience when the princess turned her around and she moved. It was a great effect. I was so proud. My older daughter, age 16, was the voice of the Giant's wife. The first time the idea of using her as the baby happened the night before the show opened. The girl playing the princess handed the boy who was the baker my baby. He froze. He kept saying his lines but he didn't move. We stopped the practice. He'd never held a baby so we practiced. He got good at it. In the second night of the show, Elizabeth did fuss and the princess came over and too her from the baker. He looked so hurt and the audience loved it. I love doing plays, costumes, props, makeup and sets. Let me know if I can help out. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:03:27 -0400 Subject: [h-cost] Cow costume for Into the Woods My mother-in-law teaches in Chicago and is doing Into the Woods and is looking for a cow costume, does anyone have any leads on where she can rent one? Thanks, Meredith Moseley-Bennett Certification Coordinator Entertainment Technician Certification Program-ETCP 875 Sixth Avenue, Suite 1005 NYC, NY 10001 Phone: 212.244.1505 Fax: 212.244.1502 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 2:00 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 342 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of h-costume digest... Today's Topics: 1. corsets (JAMES OGILVIE) 2. Re: corsets (Elena House) 3. Re: corsets (JAMES OGILVIE) 4. Re: corsets (Dawn) 5. Re: corsets ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 6. Re: corsets (Alexandria Doyle) 7. Re: corsets (paige) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:15:47 + From: JAMES OGILVIE Subject: [h-cost] corsets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Yesterday I got a review copy of a brand-new book called Corsets: Historical Patterns and Techniques. It looks like a great resource for those with interests between 1750 and 1917. (Unfortunately, I don't care about anything after 1650!) Janet -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:11:04 -0400 From: Elena House Subject: Re: [h-cost] corsets To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Who's the author? And do you mind if I forward this to a couple of my corset groups? -E House On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: Yesterday I got a review copy of a brand-new book called Corsets: Historical Patterns and Techniques. It looks like a great resource for those with interests between 1750 and 1917. (Unfortunately, I don't care about anything after 1650!) Janet ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:52:25 + From: JAMES OGILVIE Subject: Re: [h-cost] corsets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The author's name is Jill Salen and it's published by Quite Specific Media, which may make it hard to find. I've dealt with them because they are also the U.S. publisher for The Medieval Tailor's Assistant and The Tudor Tailor but most bookstores don't carry their stuff. Of course you may forward the e-mails. Janet -- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:27:34 -0600 From: Dawn Subject: Re: [h-cost] corsets To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed JAMES OGILVIE
Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique
Trupunto is a technique where a 3d effect is achieved by layering or creating puckered lines around a shape. It can be over cording, cloth of a different color or batting. It is often done with thread of the same color as the top layer of cloth. It's it's own embellishment treatment. Lots of time but the effect is well worth the effort.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:03:53 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique I believe you are talking about trapunto. It's a type of quilting technique. Lynn --- On Mon, 8/25/08, J A Urbik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: J A Urbik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] the name of an embroidery technique To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 2:41 PM Well.. if you are going to be technical. yes, but it was coming up in my brain under embroidery. that, i think, just goes to show! something is wrong in that particular organ. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Trapunto? Technically more of a quilting technique. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.comJ A Urbik wrote: This name is just not coming to mind, i want to do some, but i can't think of the name, and i wanted to look at some examples before i get started. What it is basically is sewing together two pieces of fabric, then stuffing the area of the design with some cotton so that the design gets a little puffy. I think the name starts with a t, but am not sure... Thanks for your time, Jordana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _! __ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth?
I'd check the local library to see if they have one or both. Look at them and make a decision. If they only have one, buy the other one. That you'd have access to both editions. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:07:56 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? Hi, I am planning to spend some money and I have a real dilemma. I am hesitating between Moda a Firenze and Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe unlocked. I've heard very good reference on both. I do not have any special area of interest, so Florence or England are both interesting to me, but I would welcome a detailed study with lots of large, quality photographs and also some tips on reconstruction (patterns or details - fastenings etc.) If you could boy only one, which one would you choose? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat
I'm trying to find a pattern or how-to make a round balloon like Italian hat, such as worn in Romeo and Juliette and THe Taming of the Shrew. It's a bel? I can't remember the term and can't seem to find a description in any painting. http://www.abcgallery.com/T/titian/titian96.html http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/secondflor/secflor29.htmlSincerely, Rebecca Rautine _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat
Thank you. I recently saw The Taming of the Shrew and wondered about her head dresses and hair arrangements. I thought they were beautiful so I paused the film over and over to sketch the wedding dress, hair and all, then the complete set she wore at her sister's wedding. That wire thingy must have taken a lot of time to weave in and out and around in those angles. I'd love one like that. It's crown like but still a head garment. For my purposes, it doesn't matter if its authentic period. I think I'll make one to go with a gown I'm creating. Don't know all the stages yet but going to be maroon and gold, light ivory and black designs on the front. Maybe a blackwork chemise with blooming sleeves to show off the blackwork. I love embroidry so it may have lots of hidden little things only I'll know about. If I get to the sketch stage with final decisions, I'll post it.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:24:18 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat Hi Becky, it's a Balzo or Capigliara. Here is a great page about/how-to: http://home.earthlink.net/~lizjones429/balzo-new.htm Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.net- Original Message From: Becky Rautine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Itlalian Renaissance hat I'm trying to find a pattern or how-to make a round balloon like Italian hat, such as worn in Romeo and Juliette and THe Taming of the Shrew. It's a bel? I can't remember the term and can't seem to find a description in any painting.Find a better answer, faster with the new Yahoo!7 Search. www.yahoo7.com.au/search ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood
Yes, it's been a while since I did work in the Renaissance era. I know it's not a belt but couldn't remember exactly what it was called. It was late and I was tired. I'm starting back into the era. I'm starting a new garb set for an upcoming Ren Faire event. I'll have to pull out my books and read up on the ins and outs of the period.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:44:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood Belt part--- Do you mean girdle? Long necklace-like belt that goes around waist and hangs down center front? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood Becky Rautine wrote: Sorry, the second S is on her large necklace like a baron would wear or an official ensignia. Are there many portraits where the person wears 2 necklaces? I thought they wore a necklace and the belt-like part (I can't think of what ! it's called right now. Isn't this the IHS monogram which we discussed a couple of months ago? It was stated that this symbol (representing the name of Jesus) was worn in Protestant countries at this time because a crucifix was considered too Catholic. Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian, University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] renaissance headwear
What are the gold parts on your design? It looks ornate so far. Form your past work, it will be magnificant. Keep us posted as to it's completion.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:20 +0200 Subject: [h-cost] renaissance headwear I was allowed to show my headdress after all, not the pattern til later, but you can get an idea how it looks like in shape! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm I have started the pearl decoration, and it gets quite heavy, so i have interlined with a heavy linnen. Its freshwater pearls and gold pearl purl, gold spangels for decoration... Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood
I looked back at the photos. She is wearing a necklace that lies on her chest, one that hangs from her shoulders and the girdle. The middle one is the one that looks like an office insignia. That's the one I meant. The smaller necklace and the insignia one have S on them.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:44:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood Belt part--- Do you mean girdle? Long necklace-like belt that goes around waist and hangs down center front? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Renaissance coif or hoodBecky Rautine wrote: Sorry, the second S is on her large necklace like a baron would wear or an official ensignia. Are there many portraits where the perso! n wears 2 necklaces? I thought they wore a necklace and the belt-like part (I can't think of what it's called right now. Isn't this the IHS monogram which we discussed a couple of months ago? It was stated that this symbol (representing the name of Jesus) was worn in Protestant countries at this time because a crucifix was considered too Catholic. Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian, University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] odd outfit
I don't think it is a sideless due to the conformaty of the front. It wouldn't lie so snug if not held against her breast. I think the light area is the fabric reflecting the light, or just a bad spot in the painting. Paint was mixed one area at a time then and it was easy to have inconsistant color values. They didn't have Sherman Williams to get a gallon of paint the same color. Also I don't think a saint would be allowed to be painted without modesty and respect. Cleavage was fine but not uncovered breasts on a saint. She is wearing the long sleeves of a shiny material. I'd guess that the side is made of that same material. The side is plain and not as ornate as the front. On this same image, can anyone tell me the meaning of the stones used during the Byzantine period? I know it has something to do with the Early Christian/Byzantine church being centered in Constantinople/Istanbul. Most everything was steeped in meaning or relation to the area. I did research on this era while in school, but can't remember the specifics of their meaning. Later times copied the Byzantine styles for elegance and luxury in the use of jewels.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:50:10 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] odd outfit http://www.artsmia.org/viewer/detail.php?v=12id=547 At a first glance it looks as if St. Catherine is wearing a sideless. Click on the picture to get to the zoom. Can someone tell me what she is actually wearing? De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown
One suggestion for sewing silk velvet or other slick fabrics. Starch it. Spray starch can be misted away or left in for a long while. I found that when I sew slick fabrics that move alot is to tape the edges about 1/4 inch in from the edge. Scotch tape or masking tape. There is also the water soluable fabrics used for quilting or other sewing. If necessary stick freezer paper to it and sew. (Iron the waxy side to the back of the fabric with a light heat iron.) Remove the paper later when all the stitching is done. The fabric is sometimes hard to manouver around corners but it does make it keep it's shape, no warping or stretching out of size limitations. No need to fudge that seam matching stuff with it. I made a ballerina tutu with satin. That's the only way to deal with that ravelly stuff... the hit the edges with seam sealer or fray check.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:54:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish gown This is my pattern: That's an interesting shape to say the least! http://www.australiancostumersguild.org.au/index.php?ind=newsop=news_show_singleide=13 Beautiful! the bottom half of the sleeve is angled inwards from wrist to tip (So I think that pattern would wind up looking a bit like a kite if opened up). More like a bat, actually :-) I'll send pics when I can. The Alcega pattern really is cool. I couldn't figure it out until I traced it on some scrap paper and cut out the shapes. Then it suddenly all made sense :-) Thanks for the patterns. I love seeing your work! Audrey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Watch “Cause Effect,” a show about real people making a real difference. Learn more. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves
Thanks for that explanation. I can see what you meant now.I think that the 2
peice would definitely hang better if cut that way. It can even make the
slit/peek-a-boo area easier to align.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: [EMAIL
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves In a message dated 6/6/2008 3:27:26
P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2 piece, vertically
A shape that evolved obviously to accommodate the
natural curve of the arm when at rest by one's side. For centuries the
outside seam falls at the shortest part of that arch: from where your arm
meets your chest down to the mid point of where your arm folds on itself
when you bend your elbow to the wrist bone where the metacarpal bone for you
thumb attaches. The longer outside seam usually runs from a little higher
than where your arm attaches to your torso in back, at the shoulder blade,
across the bony part of the elbow to the protruding bone of the wrist.
Matching the seams on the bodice was not really a concern. The way one's arm
hangs was the deciding factor. It's interesting how the earlier
versionsall the way to the 19th century are two identical curved
pieces, the difference being the top piece had a sleeve head and the under
sleeve piece is scooped out to eliminate fabric under the arm. Otherwise,
it's the same curved piece. Indeed sometimes the above the elbow part of the
sleeve in the back is a straight seam. It could be cut on the fold [and is
sometimes] without a seam at all until after the elbow. The shorter inside
curve usually is a curve from the shoulder to the wrist. Still even later,
like the late 19th century, especially on men's coats, the under sleeve piece
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Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves
What do you mean when you say a two pieced sleeve? 2piece vertical or 1 horizontally connected? Haven't seen that one but there are also sleeves the have a front and backs seam so the outter part is smooth. Can't think what a 2 piece sleeve looks like. Brain block recently. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:55:32 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves Not what I wanted to hear. Heaven forbid that my clothes are not on a par with royalty. Just kidding. Thanks all for the comments. I don't think I'm going to worry about it. The pattern has too many other fitting problems anyhow I need to deal with. I thought I would be saving myself some time using commercial patterns when I should have just drafted it from the start.I need it to look good because I'm wearing it for my son's wedding next week. Purchased some beautiful ice blue dupioni from Exotic Silks at a pretty penny and want to do justice to it. Sylvia On Jun 6, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: I saw the traveling exhibition of Princess Diana's clothing several years ago(it came to Omaha!) and noted on all the long-sleeved garments that the sleeves were two-piece and the seams all matched up. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:04 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 piece sleeves It´s a modern jacket? From what I´ve learned, in modern custom-made clothing it´s rather coincidence whether the seams match or not. It´s just a design issue. Industrially made garments often have them because they use mock-ups until they achieve matching seams. Hanna At 00:50 06.06.2008, you wrote: This isn't really a historical costume question, but it's been ages since I belonged to a general sewing/patternmaking email list. If anyone knows of one that currently exists, I'd appreciate a link. My question concerns a jacket I am patterning and making for myself. Actually, I am using a couple commercial patterns and adapting them. I have a 2 piece sleeve and a bodice with front and back princess seams that end at the armhole. I really can't adjust the front seam downward any more than it already is and it isn't matching the front sleeve seam. The back seams don't match either but I've frequently garments where they don't match in the back or they don't match in the front but they match on the opposite side. I know 2 piece sleeves are often seen in 19th century onward women's garments so I thought I'd see where you all stand on this issue. Do you really think the seams need to match on either the front or the back? Sylvia ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ It’s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question
Well, here is my opion: I love the Christian art from Early through the Byzantine Era. At that time, any who actively participated in the Nativity paintings were given the halo to distinguish who were important and those who were incidental to the painting. Mother, baby, Joseph and magi had that honor. It was as if to say these people were touched by God to be there at that time, to witness this special event.. the birth of God's Son made into human flesh. The fulfilment of the prophesies of the Jewish Bible/Torah. The magi were well educated men, usually of high ranking and social status... so people would believe them. They researched the star for many years before finding the Christ child. THey had travelled for mnay months to get there at just the right time. Joseph was given this honor because God and his angels had told him that Mary had notbetrayed their marriage vow. Joseph was to raise the holy child and guide him until he was old enough to begin his teachings. Mary, of course. was the Holy Vessel in which the Holy Child was made flesh. She was perfect in God's eyes, the symbol of the love and caring that only a mother can have most of the time. Mary had been choosen long before she was told by the angel. The halos themselves held stars to represent the heavens and godly environments. This was the symbol of heaven... the star... just like the star that shone that night. I say all this because I took a class on Early Christian Art and Iconography. I did research on the Madonna and Child in the Haga Sophia. Through that research, I read lots of books trying to find out what each part meant. The colors, the jewels, the way the people were portrayed by posture... right down to that white hanky on Mary's finger. I finally found out what that was last year. I met a man who was Orthodox Christian from Constantinople/Istanbul. He told me that the handkerchief respresented the partonage of Mary, who was the parton saint of that city. Through her, the city prospered and was under her protection. Some say the cloth represented the swaddling clothes, or the cloth in which the body of Christ was wrapped (especially the cloth that was put over the face of the dead before wrapping and oils applied) or the cloth to wipe away her tears at his death. Either way, the symbolism is a wide open field. Well worth reading if you're really interested. Look in iconography books and symbol books. Sorry so long a message but I love that research. Great stuff to those Christians that don't know and aren't taught in thier churches either. Most of the symbolism is lost to the books when it does have a bearing on any faith in the world, Christian, Jew, Hebrew or Moslim. Don't know about other religions but all have symbolism.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:58:23 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Subject: [h-cost] saint/iconography question We've been looking at this painting http://www.wga.hu/art/l/lorenzo/monaco/ador_mag.jpg Billed as Adoration of the Magi by Lorenzo Monaco ca. 1422 Are those really the Magi? (The folks with the halo's). To my *very* untrained eye, they remind me more of saints than Magi. The individual in the peach/orange with the blue head-wrap reminds me more of The Magdalene rather than one of the Magi. I'm not that good with early 15th c. art or saints iconography -- and I know that there are folks on this list that are more knowledgeable than I. Half my brain tells me that I should just take the painting title at face value and go with it, but those 3 individuals aren't like any other representations of Magi that I've seen. Thanks! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for???
IT seems to roll 2 fabrics at once. I'd say it's like a Seam effect. Never saw one of those before and don't quite understand the illustration either, but from the top diagrams, I'd say a rolled seamer/hemmer also.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:03:17 -0500 CC: Penny, it looks like a hemmer to me, that attaches to the bed of the machine. If you are going to play with your treadle you should get over to treadleon.net and join that mailing list, for people who use their old treadles. You will enjoy it, I'm sure. -Megan On Jan 22, 2008, at 2:38 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: I have been going through the patent website trying to find out about sewing machine attachments. I have a beautifully restored 1887 Standard treadle sewing machine in the original cabinet. It came with a box full of sewing machine attachments. I don't know what the attachments are for or how to use them. Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl is located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. This type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. She was not sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]
I think that the fabric for the front of the underskirt panel is low sheen satin (or duponi silk with some shimmery threads every so often laid into the weave but it could be just the variation of the silk when it is hand spun) with maybe a jacquard weave of a pattern. The few areas where the pattern sticks out more is an embellishment of looped threads that were sometimes made of fine metals like silver or gold. I don't know the term for that kind of embroidery technique but it is loops that stick out from the material, like the way people make the wool rugs with the punch tools. I don't think it is the voided velvet. I too have wanted one like this. I think the sleeves would be the most challenging. I've seen others who posted how they did it but it still looks complicated. Sone use slits, while others make shaped spiral pieces that are attached at certain points. I bought all the patterns I can find on this period. Lots of fabrics I may use and those dream dresses still await my needle to bring them life. Shame I moved away from the PA Renaissance Faire and the fun I had last year. I made dresses for myself and my daughter. It rained the weekend she was to be Princess Elizabeth (her name really is Elizabeth R) and her costume was heavy enough without adding wet to it. She still loved to wear it around the house to play dress-up. I worked a whole year on hers. IT was the pinkish dress worn by the 13 year old Princess Elizabeth. Appropiate for a young lady starting out in the dressing-up fun of Renaissance periods. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume] Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:18:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc4-f19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:19:03 -0700 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JMIfj3047713(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:18:41 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMIOeg014753;Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:18:34 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com[68.142.207.247])by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5JMIKk8014626for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:18:22 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: (qmail 13280 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2007 22:18:15 - Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:18:14 PDT X-Message-Info: txF49lGdW410UBbSo9du88hUKkCHpLSq04aLd2UzlZCBwC+f8NcSbAEjdf/3SeGR DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com;h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID;b=xkd2ne3ss92Z1UVXtr37lKYasPaBgdcG652sfUgEbMx1QJOgkHfjqkImM3KUbtZPn2jbdnSwOUdlDPsAa8T+VAjEg60FsdRFR76KK1HBei0AgEf/UmeiI+19GiPBqhGYgqv3r2FyLT3A9mheVYBah8AxLTuvmamGIERF+HMFJes=; X-YMail-OSG: BgYsoREVM1kyYdFDHvCm9IE1Cb1.XMcO3bsbqgcX0.JaEVv1uzLNJ2zbOlaM3ROYlgS1elmMfit4DU_NjY1dbKNOJw-- X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume h-costume.mail.indra.com List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://net.indra.com/pipermail/h-costume List-Post: mailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2007 22:19:03.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[D825C4C0:01C7B2BF] Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric of this dress embroidered, or voided velvet or satin, or brocade, or what? Not the embroidered gardes, but the ground fabric. I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most truly royal gown I can think of. MaggiRos --- Kimiko Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dream costume has been this one, of Elizabeth de Valois, Queen of Spain. http://tlsun.com/society/pics/ElizabethValois.jpg Reading: [lunchtime at work] The Pirate Wars, Peter Earle [bedside] The Dresden Files, (all of them), Jim Butcher [about to finish] Strong Poison, Dorothy L. Sayers [CD in the car] The silver Chair, C.S. Lewis Just finished: The Invention of Hugo Cabret, Brian Selznick ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com
Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats
I think that any hat that is felted is so densely felted together that it is very durable. I don't know of any solution that makes a hat stiff. Must be one though. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: E House [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:58:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc3-f5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 21 May 2007 12:22:18 -0700 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l4LJJkO2076132(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Mon, 21 May 2007 13:19:46 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4LJJC53010243;Mon, 21 May 2007 13:19:31 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.75])by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4LJJ8ug010094for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:19:11 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [194.6.181.33])by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 29A9D6AF86for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 21 May 2007 21:19:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.216.120.37) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1)(authenticated as swissgirl)id 45DAE0BC03A96D7A for [EMAIL PROTECTED];Mon, 21 May 2007 20:58:40 +0200 X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt1Xz5Yksrj7t+8Fi0486Rg+YdA0ulY/o1OEesyJ+NT73bwHtJM+LZ2M X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1179775141-3f5c-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[194.6.181.33] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1179775141 X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume h-costume.mail.indra.com List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://net.indra.com/pipermail/h-costume List-Post: mailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2007 19:22:19.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[593C7300:01C79BDD] - Original Message - On May 17, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Tori Ruhl wrote: I've heard people talk about making hats out of theatrical buckram. But I didn't think that Buckram, as we know it, existed in the 16th century. If not, then what DID exist as Buckram? What were the internal structure of hats made out of? Along with bokeram and the other things recently mentioned, there's also vellum. For that matter, my local leather store sells something I can't remember the name of that's very hard, about 1/4+ thick, and looks strangely like translucent fiberglass (but is some form of leather). You could CARVE a hat out of that stuff. Melanie, do you have any idea how the felt was stiffened? I have a big bag full of wool dryer lint I've been meaning to experiment with, and an even bigger bag of teeny tiny wool scraps... -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss
I had a dress that I loved with butterflies as a dotted swiss cloth. It was yellow with pastel butterflies that were raised and slightly softer poofs. Any one seen anything like this? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:26:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc11-f13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:27:22 -0700 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3E0QmIc012863(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:26:48 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E0QUr1096790;Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:26:41 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com[67.52.227.84])by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E0QQ2X096660for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:26:28 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3])by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E217FCB791for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:26:20 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Info: txF49lGdW42EqGpiaUmZCvOpwHGjk6fSAocj6VaHRlR9YoqmWMs3VhfSMUEJMmbH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume h-costume.mail.indra.com List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://net.indra.com/pipermail/h-costume List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2007 00:27:22.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB415EB0:01C77E2B] Lavolta Press wrote: Anyone know where I can get some 100% cotten dotted Swiss with a soft hand, suitable for machine dyeing with Procion dyes (no synthetic content or obstructive finishes)? I really want to sew with some, but am not liking the pastel colors I'm seeing. Here's a couple places I came up with that sell 100% cotton dotted swiss in white, among other colours. http://www.heirloomsewingforchildren.com/fabric2.htm http://www.carolharrisco.com/swiss.shtml http://www.baltazor.com/dottedswiss.html http://www.srfabrics.com/cottons/othercotton.htm Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Tardis in garage
Do you mean one of those mystical boxes Dr. Who had? Or something else? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Tardis in garage Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:48:19 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc6-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:55:15 -0800 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCCoHCk004602(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:50:17 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCmQkw054728;Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:49:58 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCmM77054664for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:48:24 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166])by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B7F130DCEfor [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:48:19 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-192.VIC.netspace.net.au(220-253-122-192.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.192]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:48:19 +1100 X-Message-Info: txF49lGdW41hIyxNDODTLSzHjDa0oYIDg+AS5oriArs= References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume h-costume.mail.indra.com List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://net.indra.com/pipermail/h-costume List-Post: mailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2006 12:55:15.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4D1A730:01C71DEC] At 04:53 PM 12/11/2006, you wrote: I have one in my garage (don't ask), Now you KNOW we have to ask! I will no more tell why I have a tardis in the garage than I will tell why I have been excommunicated. So there, -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ View Athletes Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06FORM=MGAC01 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] construction ?
It looks similar to the lacing of a Venetian costume of earlier period. The ribbon would have been silk during this period. SO... I think it looks like a wide silk ribbon has been woven through some kind of small loop, then folded back over it to the other side. The width of the ribbon seems to be wide at the turn then narrow where it comes to the side, then wider back across. Just a guess but it looks like that to me. Very similar to how silk roses are folded. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] construction ? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:34:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc6-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:35:19 -0800 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD4YNvP074252(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:34:24 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4YCSM068735;Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:34:15 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com[67.19.210.136])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4Y7pC068664(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT)for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:34:11 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52)id 1GuLon-0001EK-U7; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:09 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (HordeMIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:34:09 -0500 X-Message-Info: txF49lGdW43OLNgW/qhd6pCQAbk/e6+iWWSOdmmmYwM= References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse,please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php/usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume h-costume.mail.indra.com List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://net.indra.com/pipermail/h-costume List-Post: mailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 04:35:19.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[1883A6C0:01C71E70] Quoting otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyone have an idea as to how the blue on the plastron is constructed? Is it a section on material that has a wee bit of gather in the center and clipped on the sides? http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-liotard2.htm You know it's *really* late when you look at that painting and the *first* thought that goes through your brain is, Oh, look. She's wearing a Mickey Mouse Watch . *blink* going to bed now. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601tcode=wlmtagline ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th Century German Paper Doll
What is Bildindex I'm new to costume sources. Please tell me about how to contact the museum and what museum that it is. Sincerely, Becky Rautine From: Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century German Paper Doll Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:46:57 -0700 Sorry, this there is only a black and white copy on Bildindex. You never know, if you contact the museum, you might be able to get a color copy. Sg - Original Message - From: Becky Rautinemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 17th Century German Paper Doll Would you make a color copy of this if you have it? It looks like a Renaissance paper doll to me. Sincerely, Becky Rautine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 17th Century German Paper Doll
Would you make a color copy of this if you have it? It looks like a Renaissance paper doll to me. Sincerely, Becky Rautine From: Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],TheRenaissanceTailor [EMAIL PROTECTED],h-costume [EMAIL PROTECTED],GermanRenCostume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] 17th Century German Paper Doll Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:01:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc3-f11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:06:38 -0700 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k89G3RdU045619(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:03:28 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k89G1vcn099473;Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:02:48 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from bay0-omc3-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s20.bay0.hotmail.com[65.54.246.220])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k89G1UTk099076for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:01:54 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.75]) by bay0-omc3-s20.bay0.hotmail.comwith Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:00:58 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:00:59 -0700 Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV;Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:00:55 + X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt1ts5AnU3cT26KgWEJhRzN3+Ri8O2dcCE4= X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:01:05 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2006 16:00:59.0210 (UTC)FILETIME=[2429BAA0:01C6D429] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2,clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume h-costume.mail.indra.com List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://net.indra.com/pipermail/h-costume List-Post: mailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought some of you might get a kick out of this. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi08115a05b.jpghttp://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi08115a05b.jpg (I have a vague recollection it might have been posted before, if so, my apologies.) It is a fragment from a woodcut print. It is water colored. On the back there has been a pair of templates attached, not the original backside. For those interested in how I found it, I used ICONCLASS = 31 D 15* erwachsene Frau (adult woman) and narrowing the time from 1600 to 1650. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 17th Century German Paper Doll
No. I meant that if this were to printd on good paper, it would make a great paper doll. It is arranged like the paper dolls that played with in the late 60s and beyond. I'd like to have a copy of it tomake a doll for my daughter. Sincerely, Becky Rautine From: MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [h-cost] 17th Century German Paper Doll Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:21:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc3-f16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:26:45 -0700 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k89HMGG5055090(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:22:17 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k89HLfs5053509;Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:21:56 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com[68.142.207.251])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k89HLV2j053368for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:21:39 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: (qmail 42322 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2006 17:21:26 - Received: from [70.34.229.63] by web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:21:26 PDT X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt33Pbxfseb87huSzALgMq9mcT4t9PAnx9s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com;h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding;b=P/2fy4OEk6Lm1JeO8girFbVfGixGSMisfaKgcYFYNmSTQBMPq9O2YphyKp5Tjr73asOtfe6ruWZW+JXAHy9E1SC080T48dJJWbj28U84f5+9kpJwbmZTm+fJ1AuvoN5TabRnoWgtSQd1rGIw8uSJ0h3CIHie+/SIQXVKhXlhJrA=; X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2,clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume h-costume.mail.indra.com List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://net.indra.com/pipermail/h-costume List-Post: mailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2006 17:26:45.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FA7E590:01C6D435] It looks entirely 17th century to me, going by the hair styles (far left) and high waists, among other things. MaggiRos --- Becky Rautine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you make a color copy of this if you have it? It looks like a Renaissance paper doll to me. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Finally doe with Princess Elizabeth costume
Tomorrow my daughter will be wearing the pink costume I've been working on since last year. Looking for the fabrics, getting patterns, make a toile, adjusting this or that, gathering beads and pearls, looking for those little black buttons, and hand stitching it all myself... and it looks great! I loved stitching the linen shirt. She loves wearing the light corset. It's all in pink, red undergarments and velvet sleeves of antique velvet that has various velvet piles( velluto alto-basso or soprariccio). It's heavy for her but I think adjusting the weight of the skirt will help that. So it's get out the seam ripper and resew it to a band so it doesn't tip her over backwards. I'll post pictures as soon as I find the camera cable. I'm so proud of it. My next one will be the Elenor Toledo style... in a few weeks I'll get started. Sincerely, Becky Rautine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re:History Channel
I think that the history channel is focused on the OVERVIEW of a subject not the absolutely historically correct COSTUME or dress of the story. That is their main issue. Sometimes they do fudge that area because it is a lesser part of any program... in this setup. If they are concerned with the costuming, then it must be more important. Viewers need to keep that in mind. I love wathcing the History Channel to get information. How the show is made helps get that point across. I usually pick such movies like some of the postings, but I've learned to enjoy the shows instead of looking just for mistakes. Such critical vision can lead to missing the overall points. No , I would n't like to see Julius Caesar in something that wasn't period, but as long as the issue is covered, I don't care if his toga was draped over his right shoulder or left... as long as he has one. Sincerely, Becky Rautine From: monica spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:History Channel Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:13:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc6-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:16:10 -0700 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGEiEx082159(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:14:44 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGEINf015248;Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:14:32 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGEDgp015091for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:14:14 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18])by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006))with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:14:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt24WsMhuC0FBqIosbz8ajjB9YyyTNiO68Y= X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2,clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume h-costume.mail.indra.com List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://net.indra.com/pipermail/h-costume List-Post: mailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2006 16:16:10.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[237FFCC0:01C6B261] I feel badly that the people at the HC are being ripped. They have a limited budget, it is difficult to get permission to film in some of the real sites and many times their actors are the reinactors that do a period-- unpaid, but not stars or people who have anything to say about scripts, production values, etc.. Not to mention that costumes are usually rented from a costume house that is more interested in genaric than specialty work. And then there are time constraints... I have a friend who is set to do a Civil War program for the HC. Who knows what it will be like, but he is working with people who know the period. My husband is slated to play a soldier-- no lines, or he would have to be payed Equity scale. We were in Philadelphia this past November and visited the USS Olympia, Admiral Dewey'S flagship. As we followed the electrical cables aboard and passed a cabin filled with men in uniforms of the period (Spanish American War) we were informed that the HC was doing a documentary on the SA War. It was very exciting-- the air was filled with smoke from a fire or a battle-- but we couldn't see it because it was cordoned off for filming. The people were really helpful, and the technical people put up with us tourists, and we hooked up with one ofthe reinactors who have a a tour that was not to be believed ! We got to stand on the bridge, and got to see the crow's nesy, which was rusted and needed repair. Most people don't get to see half that stuff... Anyhoo... unless you have ever been directly involved with a production you don't know the limitations put on a director by the chanel, the director etc. It is not as easy as you may think. Monica Spence -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto
