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First incarnation, then a looong hiatus due to the vicissitudes of life. . . and finally back again last year. Currently in motion: fantasy costume for our local Old Spanish Days celebration. Just a skirt: I own all the ready made blouses I need to go with it. It's fantasy because the whole celebration smacks of fantasy :) My historical California costume is much different, but is out of place in the modern event. Too bad, really! == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Lynn Downward wrote: Yeah, h-costume an dh-needlework at about the same time, I think. LynnD On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Franchesca franchesca.ha...@gmail.com wrote: Same here, this one in its first incarnation back in 93 or 94, then a couple on Aol and a bbs. :) Franchesca : -Original Message- : From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- : boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of penn...@costumegallery.com : Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:08 PM : To: 'Historical Costume' : Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? : : So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And : what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have : found it. : : I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL. : : Penny Ladnier, owner : The Costume Gallery Websites : www.costumegallery.com : 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history : FaceBook: : http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery- : Websites/107498415961579 : : ___ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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As for sewing...it is the #1 hobby for women this past year. This was on the news during the past six months. I don't recall the actual source. I was just surprised to hear this. It's not just the cons, it's the battles and other big reenactment events. I hear people saying they are not going to as many as before. I don't know about your location but in my area of Virginia, I have to pick and choose which reenactments to go to...there are so many through Christmas. There are several in a single weekend. I would never have to travel more than 60 miles. And then they start up again in April. Our small local historical society put on a haunted mansion tour last Halloween season with actual stories of murders and Civil War events. They got the history students at the university involved with guiding the tours. Reenactors are all over the grounds telling their stories as the groups are guided by lantern light. My group was about in tears at one of the Civil War battle scenes. This event was so successful that this event is preformed bi-monthly and people come from all over to see it. Blandford Cemetery, in Petersburg, VA tried this same type of event but it was not effective...all I could think was, I want some hot chocolate! It wasn't as believable as our hististorical where you couldn't get enough of the stories and never thought about how cold it was. Recently, we went to the new Sailor's Creek Battlefield State Park. No reenactors, but one ranger toured through home that became the union's hospital. The ranger was so good that the group hung on her every word and stayed after her talk for more info. I can't wait to see what they do for 150th Anniversary. Most of the reenactments here are well attended by reenactors and audience even in extreme weather. Our powwow season starts this month and they are very well attended. Our local reenactors stay very busy. It is not uncommon to see someone at an event one weekend and see then in a different event period costume the next weekend. (from me.)As for those of us who have costuming businesses, especially online, it is always a race to keep up with what is IN OUT. We always have to reinvent the wheel to stay afloat. At this moment, the social media seems to be the way to go What I am meaning is by how you keep in touch with your customers. Keeping up with communication technology is key to any busy today. People want your response ASAP. Everyone in my entire extended family has a cell phone and texts with the exception of my blind deaf 76 y.o. mother texting. I read FB family messages to her. My adult kids sit on FB chat all day via their cell phones. A lot of people do this. I negotiated a contract last week via text messages. I don't delete my text messages, so the conversation is saved documented. Society has become so dependent on fast communication. It is sad to say, but this year a lot of universities are going to only online textbooks. This discussion has been going on for a while with educators very upset about it. But it is the way of the future. The academic powers-to-be want this. OTOH if it lowers the $1,000 textbook fees per semester for students, I am all for it...I have three kids + two DIL in college. Some other things that are OUT are CDs...good luck trying to find a good selection. Most people go to the online outlets and download them. DVDs are heading in the same direction with NetFlix and Hulu being so popular. Three of my kids do not own TVs, they watch movies and TV shows on their laptops or smart phones. If I was tech savvy enough (and I am not), I would develop apps for costuming. There you go...someone smart enough go for it! Just send me a thank you card when you are rich! I love apps! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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LynnD, H-needlework was the other group that I joined at the same time as h-costume. I just remembered that it was 1995 when I joined...my first costume history course in college. I will forever be grateful to the h-costume old-timers! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On 08/08/2011 01:08 AM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have found it. I found the H-costume list website by searching the web shortly after I got a real browser (i.e., one that could handle graphics well) in 2001, and that's when I signed up. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com Beware how you take away hope from another human being. --Oliver Wendell Holmes ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I joined in 2006, when I was looking for information and assistance making the first Frobie suit for my son to wear at Bristol. Up to that point he had been a yeoman and his garb was provided. 2006 was when he became Capt. Frobisher. I'm not sure, but I think it was recommended to Ansel by someone at Faire. I have learned a lot since then, but boy did I lean on you guys that first year! Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- --- On Mon, 8/8/11, penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: From: penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 1:08 AM So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have found it. I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I joined temporarily in about 2003 or so, I'm not sure exactly, when I was asking for everyone's comments on the vintage phtoo of my great-grandmother, to help me in reproducing th e dress she wore in thephoto. Then I dropped out.the volume of mail was just too much for what I was going through after that, with my Mom sick. I rejoined about 3 years ago, when I was researching the Civil War era to re-create a dress, and also joined Godey's Lady's Book.com, and have learned so much from everyone and made a few lasting friends. Right now, with one of the extra dressesI made of the CW period, since I needed a whole wardrobe, including a wool winter coat, I am planning a costume presentation about Little Women. Yours in costuming, Lisa A On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 01:08:13 -0400 penn...@costumegallery.com writes: So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have found it. I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/10749841596157 9 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I joined sometime between 2002 and 2003 because I was living in Atlanta at the time. Does anyone else mark time by where they lived? Gotta love the army! Anyway, I don't remember where I heard about this list. I just remember that it had something to do with Robin Netherton. I don't know if she mentioned it somewhere or it came up doing an internet search for research. I took a costuming hiatus for a couple of years around 2005 so didn't really pay much attention to posts on this list. It goes to its own folder so sometimes I just let them accumulate. But every so often I would go back to reading regularly. Teena On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 01:08:13 -0400 penn...@costumegallery.com writes: So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have found it. I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/10749841596157 9 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I'm finding this fascinating - and *extremely* well timed, for me! I joined the list in... 1997, I think? I believe I found it from a reference on alt.stagecraft (speaking of changes in social media - remember usenet?) I was a theatrical costume designer, with an interest in historic costume. I was on and off a bit the first few years - depended on internet access... when I got my own computer in 2000, this was the first list I subbed to. I read regularly and was active for a number of years, but then I had an attack of life, designed less, and had less time - stayed subscribed, so I can look things up, but rarely read and never posted. Life has calmed down a bit, and I'm trying to get back into some of my interests and activities. I just started looking at the list again, and the first thing I noticed was how slow it is... it used to be almost overwhelmingly busy. But yes - almost all of my textile lists (I also spin and weave) have really slowed down - as indeed, have all my lists. (I do still recognize quite a few of you - but there are also some names I don't remember - which might be faulty memory on my part, but might be new blood...) I agree with Fran that a value of this list is the wide range of interests - I'm *not* just interested in any one time or place. And I may or may not be actually making anything - so the dress diary format is of limited use to me. And I think we started losing people when the Yahoo lists became popular - everyone got used to just looking there, and some, I know, resisted any other format. (In fact, most non-Yahoo lists I knew of died altogether - we've really done quite well.) I know that it doesn't work to just stand there insisting People *ought* to do it the way they always have! It worked, after all! I spent enough time 10 years ago arguing the value of email lists to people who just picked up the phone and called - and couldn't see that calling never reached enough people... So now, I'll continue to enjoy this list (which is still busier than many, and has people I remember as knowledgeable) but also start looking to find where other people actually are. Is there a costuming presence on Ravelry? Even though it was specifically founded for knitters, I've found a lot of other textile people have migrated there... For many, it seems to be because the format allows them to keep track of many interests in one place. (I'm not active there - see attack of life, lack of energy - but it's another place I want to start reading again, now that I'm recovering.) In some ways, for me, that fact that the list is slower makes it easier to rejoin - my inbox won't be flooded if I can't read for a day or two. It means less information, though... Anne On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:08 AM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have found it. I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL. Penny Ladnier, owner ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I joined h-costume when it first started. Diana something? The moderator, advertised it in various venues. One was a now-defunct vintage clothing majordomo list. I heard about h-costume there and joined immediately. H-costume has never had a bad moderator, but Diana did what was necessary for setting up a new list. She marketed for new members, and she participated very actively to keep the volume of traffic up long enough to reach a critical mass. Mind you, she was also running a fantasy costume list and later on, took over the vintage clothing list, in addition to a demanding full-time job as a technical writer. Eventually she had to quit moderating the lists, as competing too much with her paid employment. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com On 8/8/2011 12:07 PM, Anne Murphy wrote: I'm finding this fascinating - and *extremely* well timed, for me! I joined the list in... 1997, I think? I believe I found it from a reference on alt.stagecraft (speaking of changes in social media - remember usenet?) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I joined sometime last year. The only way I found out about this list, is from the search result regarding the Gothic Fitted Gown. I've my degree in Theater, with focus in theatrical costuming. However, I am very interested in the historical aspect of things - why things were worn as such, how they were sewn, what did they wear underneath everything to give the right shape, etc. Even for my designs, I always prefer to go the historical route versus the theatrical route. Not always possible, but I at least make good arguements for doing so. I also have projects I'm working on on the side, those I focus on the historical point of things. I enjoy this list because, as many others have pointed out, it is a general list not specific to eras. Any question I have can usually be answered. I also do not have the time to read all the blogs or lists out there so I must simplify things and go with this one. Michael On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com wrote: I joined sometime between 2002 and 2003 because I was living in Atlanta at the time. Does anyone else mark time by where they lived? Gotta love the army! Anyway, I don't remember where I heard about this list. I just remember that it had something to do with Robin Netherton. I don't know if she mentioned it somewhere or it came up doing an internet search for research. I took a costuming hiatus for a couple of years around 2005 so didn't really pay much attention to posts on this list. It goes to its own folder so sometimes I just let them accumulate. But every so often I would go back to reading regularly. Teena On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 01:08:13 -0400 penn...@costumegallery.com writes: So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have found it. I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/10749841596157 9 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Fran, I miss the vintage email list. Cat moved f-costume to yahoogroups. I forgot that it is another email list that is active. You can find it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/F-Costume/ Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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snip I joined sometime last year. The only way I found out about this list, is from the search result regarding the Gothic Fitted Gown. snip Much the same timeframe, and reasons for joining - this list comes up when you're looking for information about Gotic fitted dresses, and so I signed up since it seemed to be an interesting group. I will admit though, I was having second thoughts before I signed up; if you read the introduction to the list here ( http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ), then it makes a point about the SCA being a cause of angst (which is one of the groups I play with). Why on earth would I want to sign up to a list where, by the sounds of it, if I dare mention that I play with a particular organisation, I'd be told off? Thankfully, everyone here seems lovely. But first impressions count, and my first impression of this list, before I'd even signed up, was not that it was friendly. Rebecca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Diana was concerned about keeping the list friendly to people making costumes for all historic eras. She didn't want it to become an in-group for any especial organization. A lot of the early members were SCA and she wanted to make sure they didn't turn it into an SCA-dominated venue. It IS very offputting, for a non-SCA member, to join a list for costume or some other historic interest, and then have to deal with a constant We are the m'Lord and M'Lady, and everyone else is mundane attitude. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com On 8/8/2011 3:20 PM, Rebecca Lucas wrote: snip I joined sometime last year. The only way I found out about this list, is from the search result regarding the Gothic Fitted Gown. snip Much the same timeframe, and reasons for joining - this list comes up when you're looking for information about Gotic fitted dresses, and so I signed up since it seemed to be an interesting group. I will admit though, I was having second thoughts before I signed up; if you read the introduction to the list here ( http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ), then it makes a point about the SCA being a cause of angst (which is one of the groups I play with). Why on earth would I want to sign up to a list where, by the sounds of it, if I dare mention that I play with a particular organisation, I'd be told off? Thankfully, everyone here seems lovely. But first impressions count, and my first impression of this list, before I'd even signed up, was not that it was friendly. Rebecca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hmmn, looks like I joined by 1997. That's the earliest year of H-cost saved messages I can find, and I may have joined earlier. Joining H- costume was one of the first things I did after getting an e-mail address at work. ;-) When did Penny compile the directory of H-costume members? I was around for that. Regarding the SCA, I've seen this on the Historic Knit list, too — Some SCA people will discuss things in terms of whether they are period, meaning do they fall within the time period covered by the SCA. Presuming a majority of SCA members, they won't say SCA period or (even more helpful) before 1600. Or before 1650, whichever is preferred. :-) Even in a more focused list such as 18cWoman, it helps to state the decade, country and social class. Plenty of things were around in the 18th century but that does not make them right for a Rev War camp follower. We've learned quite a lot through the years, not only to be specific with the inquiries and information, but also avoiding absolutes: always and never. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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snip It IS very offputting, for a non-SCA member, to join a list for costume or some other historic interest, and then have to deal with a constant We are the m'Lord and M'Lady, and everyone else is mundane attitude. snip Too true! For a while I was running a mailing list that would attract the occasional SCAdian, and they would blithely assume that everyone else was in the SCA too. It made me grind my teeth, let me tell you. But the point I was trying to make, was if the list is concerned about recruiting/retaining new blood, and where everyone has wandered off to, is it really worth having a 'warning' on the sign-up page that has apparently outlived it's usefulness? A one-line This list is not exclusive to members of [insert organisations here], please do not assume that everyone is thinking about the same time period and place, to prevent any confusion is probably nicer than an entire paragraph singling out one group. :) ~Rebecca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I agree with you on the teeth grinding - about any group, not just SCA - and think that your generic notation about period and place are perfectly appropriate for this group. LynnD On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Rebecca Lucas quokkaqu...@hotmail.comwrote: snip It IS very offputting, for a non-SCA member, to join a list for costume or some other historic interest, and then have to deal with a constant We are the m'Lord and M'Lady, and everyone else is mundane attitude. snip Too true! For a while I was running a mailing list that would attract the occasional SCAdian, and they would blithely assume that everyone else was in the SCA too. It made me grind my teeth, let me tell you. But the point I was trying to make, was if the list is concerned about recruiting/retaining new blood, and where everyone has wandered off to, is it really worth having a 'warning' on the sign-up page that has apparently outlived it's usefulness? A one-line This list is not exclusive to members of [insert organisations here], please do not assume that everyone is thinking about the same time period and place, to prevent any confusion is probably nicer than an entire paragraph singling out one group. :) ~Rebecca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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snip But the point I was trying to make, was if the list is concerned about recruiting/retaining new blood, and where everyone has wandered off to, is it really worth having a 'warning' on the sign-up page that has apparently outlived it's usefulness? A one-line This list is not exclusive to members of [insert organisations here], please do not assume that everyone is thinking about the same time period and place, to prevent any confusion is probably nicer than an entire paragraph singling out one group. :) Or even, This list is not exclusive to members of any specific organization . . . It's true, SCA members are not the only ones who post on a more general list and assume everyone else is a member of their particular organization. But I think the first thing to do, re recruits, is just to let them know h-costume exists and point them to the sign-up page. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com Books on making historic clothing ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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We've learned quite a lot through the years, not only to be specific with the inquiries and information, but also avoiding absolutes: always and never. - But not, alas, typical, a frequently abused term. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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: : So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And : what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have : found it. : : I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL. : : Penny Ladnier, owner : The Costume Gallery Websites : www.costumegallery.com : 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history : FaceBook: : http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery- : Websites/107498415961579 : For the life of me I have no idea how I found it. I just don't recall. I have been on it at least since 1995, because I was on it before moving to Virginia. Haven't actually participated in much discussion however in quite some time. Ron Carnegie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hi Ron, It has been a long time since you have posted on the list. What are you up to in Williamsburg? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I have been following online trends for years. As for the slow time on email lists web, July/August and November/December are slow months. This is due to holidays/vacations months. The busiest months are Sept., Oct., Jan.-March. Sept-Oct is due to Halloween and schools/colleges going back into session. The dead of winter months are the second busiest time...especially in locations that receive a lot of snow. This trend has occurred every year since the mid-1990s. Current events really do take its toll on how much time we spend online. After 9-11 you could hear a pin drop on email lists for months. All of the costuming email lists were so quiet. Since 2008, when the economy started getting bad, email lists have been receiving less traffic. A lot of people are still out of work. People were sending a lot of posts from work. People may have backed off of doing so, probably scared they might lose their jobs if caught. Many businesses are also monitoring employees emails too. Two of my adult kids do not have internet in their homes and do all internet over their smart phones. Presently, I am on six email lists that are active, USITT costumers, h-costume, 19thCWomen, h-needlework, professional DC webmasters, and a genealogy list. I know that treadle-on is still very active...a little too active for me. Loved it, but there were just too many posts to keep up with. I keep up with Facebook several times a day because it is on my phone and laptop. I don't receive email on my phone because of 300+ spam messages that I receive a day. I have personal and business FB pages. Some of my costuming friends float on both pages. We had a fun fashion/costuming chat back and forth on my personal page Friday night. I don't know why, but a lot of costuming people find me first on my personal page. Then I send them a private message inviting them to like my business page. I can't post on others FB pages as my business which is a pain. My business FB page relates to fashion and any kind of costume. There, I pass along a lot of events, job announcements, and interesting webpages. I don't want business FB page to be just about my business.Once in a while, I have a contest and give away something. As for the FB length problem, I post the limit of words and inform people to look in the comments area for more info. I don't get into blogs. I think they are great for some people, but I just never got into it. BTW, from the DC professional IT email list...blogs have been on their way out for over a year. As for sewing...it is the #1 hobby for women this past year. More women are sewing their own clothes or reconstructing clothes than in the past few decades. Second-hand clothing stores are doing well too. Some of these increases are due to the antique type and fashion designer shows on TV. American Pickers is coming out with a show for interior design that starts this month. Another trend to look at is an increase of stay-at-home parents in the 20-30 y.o. demographic. I can go through my personal FB friends and surprised by this increase...and a good many are sewing! This group are not float overs for costumers...these are friends of my kids and nieces. As for traveling...According to AAA more people are traveling on vacations this year than in the past two years. This was a good indicator of people have adjusted to higher gas prices and such. I do expect after last week's events with the economy that people are leery again. Maybe you can contact the costuming events for some stats. I know Comic-Con was a huge success last month. Dragon*Con is expecting between 35,000 to 50,000 people over Labor Day weekend.If I get to go to Dragon*Con, I will let you know. I didn't notice any change in the amount of people at Costume-Con for the past three years...but the people in the know are on h-costume. Maybe they can chime with their stats. As for those of us who have costuming businesses, especially online, it is always a race to keep up with what is IN OUT. We always have to reinvent the wheel to stay afloat. At this moment, the social media seems to be the way to go. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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When you guys are talking about LiveJournal and Facebook being only replying to something the page owner posted.. you are completely forgetting about the 'community page' option! I know Lj has community pages, I've been moderator on a couple (though pretty inactive). and I'm on a few FB community pages as well. Anyone can post without it having to be a reply - which means that anyone can start a thread that others can reply/comment on. I'm not on LiveJournal (Lj) much these days, it seems to be having a whole lot of problems and may be dying since the Russians bought it, but I do a lot on Facebook. It can be a little awkward trying to carry on multiple threads, but it can be done. For example: suppose there's a group on 18th cent women's clothes on Facebook (FB). A member makes a comment about stays. 18 people make follow-up comments! they are all kept together with the original question as a big block! after a few replies, FB will only show maybe the last 2 or 3 comments and everything in between you have to click to view. But, someone else can make a post about whether to wear your corset in view or not (believe me, I've seen it at public events, and before Steampunk - they thought the shortgown was optional) and people making tons of replies. If you then go to the community page, you will see both original posts and the last comment or two and can choose which thread you want to go in and comment on (or both). So you can still see the discussions, but they are kept contained for easier following. No, there will not be a lot on the page at one time (depending on how busy the posting is), but there is a link at the bottom of the page for 'older posts' and you can click through that. If someone sets the rules for the community page that no OT discussions will be allowed (no talking about your pets, unless you are putting historic clothes on them, or about your plumbing...) then you keep it that way. It's just done all on the web instead of by email. YOu can even make your community page locked down and 'secret' so someone can only join if invited, and it won't show up on a search - some groups like that. -Judy Mitchell ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:37:22 -0700 From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? Message-ID: 4e3d97f2.6060...@lavoltapress.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed For well over a year, I've been noticing a relative scarcity of posts on pretty much every costume-related mailing list and bulletin board of which I am a member (several dozen). Many of these groups, including h-costume, were formerly very active. The general, noncostume sewing groups are an exception--they seem to be as active as ever. I don't really consider Facebook a substitute because their message limits and format don't cater to either long messages or complicated interchanges. Facebook and the like are other communication tools and I do use them, but they are just that - tools, and no one is a replacement for the others. (Tangential - do feel free to look for me on Facebook and Google+ - as far as I know there are no costume communities on G+ yet but I'd love to be proven wrong!). Is costuming going out of style, as it were? Is reenactment less popular? Are people traveling less to events because of the recession, therefore making fewer outfits for attending events, therefore not discussing those projects? Is everyone hanging out on new lists I've never heard of? Where ARE all the costumers hanging out, if not on h-costume? I don't think costuming is going out of style - far from it. Younger people tend not to do historic costuming, but there does seem to be a huge interest in sci-fi/anime character costuming (cosplay) and events/mailing lists/other internet to match. Could be we're just not seeing them here. For my own self, I still read H-costume regularly but haven't posted lately because I am not costuming as much as I used to. My other hobby is competitive fencing and it eats a lot of my time both for making things and going to events. I AM going to try and make Dress U in Philly next June provided it doesn't conflict with major competitions. There's also the factor that when I do sew I'm usually trying to complete an outfit (several pieces) instead of experimenting, so I suspect that part of the reason I've gone silent is sticking to tried and true = fewer questions (which also means I'm not challenging myself enough, but that's another post :P) Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress Allison T. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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There is actually a large and thriving historic costuming community. I just don't think they are represented on this list. With no insult intended for anyone, I think what is dying is this list rather than historic costuming/reenactment community. Of all of the people I know in my own worldwide costuming circle (that sounded rather self-important lol but you know what I meant), I think only 1 is on this list. There are others who I know as friends of friends or by seeing them posting on communities that are on this list (Like Susan Farmer and Kimiko), but for the most part, they are not represented here either. Some were and left for various reasons and now are active on other mediums. Though I have not been vocal for long stretches of time, I have been on this list for about 7 or 8 years. I know many of you have been around for much longer. And I am sure that this was once the best place for everyone to congregate and share and explore the topic together. But as technology has moved forward, email lists are a dying breed. Teena From: A. Thurman athur...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sun, August 7, 2011 4:23:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? snip I don't think costuming is going out of style - far from it. Younger people tend not to do historic costuming, but there does seem to be a huge interest in sci-fi/anime character costuming (cosplay) and events/mailing lists/other internet to match. Could be we're just not seeing them here. snip Allison T. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On Aug 7, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Beteena Paradise wrote: snip Though I have not been vocal for long stretches of time, I have been on this list for about 7 or 8 years. I know many of you have been around for much longer. And I am sure that this was once the best place for everyone to congregate and share and explore the topic together. But as technology has moved forward, email lists are a dying breed. In my opinion, this is a key factor in what is going on. _All_ internet social/topical-communications contexts are in a constant state of flux. The activity and nature of each context is shaped not only by the structure of the interface (e.g., mailing list vs. usenet vs. blogs vs. organized blog-communities like LJ) and what types of interactions that interface encourages or discourages, enables or makes difficult -- but it's also shaped by the nature and trajectory of the group of people participating in it. Is is growing, static, or shrinking? What is the ratio of old-timers versus newcomers? What is the ratio of substantive posts versus spam and trolling? Is the number of participates large enough to make a critical mass that keeps conversations going? Is it so large that people give up on keeping up with everything and leave or skim? How general versus specialized is it? Does that level of specificity match what people are looking for? How many other contexts are there for the same topic, whether in other types of online structures or duplicated in the same structure? (E.g., Usenet was very strict about preventing duplication of topic or overspecialization, but mailing lists and places like LJ may have dozens of contexts with an identical purpose.) My own personal observation has been that pretty much every type of online discussion context goes through a similar trajectory: 1. The context is brand new and shiny and lots of people flock to it. New people are constantly joining and there is a lot of conversation. 2. The context matures and stabilizes. Units that fail to reach critical mass wither and die, but units that are vibrant and healthy form a sense of social unity and cohesion. This tends to be the point participates enjoy most and it is looked back on later as a Golden Age. 3. The context starts to feel over-large and bloated. Many people -- often those with the most expertise and knowledge -- start to feel it is taking up too much of their time and they begin to withdraw. Hot-button topics begin to recycle regularly. If the security structure of the context allows for it, spam and other annoying commercialisms begin to expand in the proportion of content they take up. 4. The shiny newness has worn off. For a variety of reasons (which would be another entire essay) a much smaller proportion of the content is new and substantive. People participate less (contributing to the previous) and begin looking for a new place to get the same feeling they had in stage 2. 5. The context starts feeling like an abandoned urban center. Depending on the structure, security architecture, and level of moderation, it may simply be full of abandoned buildings or it may be the haunt of metaphoric drug dealers and muggers. A few remnants of the original population hang on, hoping that things will get back to what they were, but they don't have the energy or the critical mass to turn it around. 6. But the inhabitants have gone _somewhere_. They just may be living a very different lifestyle, due to the structural differences in the new context they're inhabiting. I have a much more extended version of this set of observations on my Live Journal here: http://hrj.livejournal.com/82752.html and a follow-up here: http://hrj.livejournal.com/92871.html How's that for self-referentiality? But I guess my overall comment is Nothing is permanent on the internet except change. This cycle of growth and decay has happened to absolutely every type of internet forum and is as natural a consequence of the nature of the medium as the forum's original growth and vibrancy was. Heather ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Though I have not been vocal for long stretches of time, I have been on this list for about 7 or 8 years. I know many of you have been around for much longer. And I am sure that this was once the best place for everyone to congregate and share and explore the topic together. But as technology has moved forward, email lists are a dying breed. Beteena, Yet, some noncostuming email lists I am on are so active, every single day, that there is no way I can follow all the messages. including a couple of majordomo lists. Having worked in high-tech for many years, I also disagree with you that technological innovations are (a) always inherently better than the previous ones and (b) always replace the previous ones. In other words, I don't think change is inherently good. Or bad, but I don't believe we are marching ever forward toward a continuously better world. I agree that fewer people post on h-costume, but let me put forth an idea. It is just harder to find majordomo groups than it is to find groups on a site with a search function. (For example, Yahoo has a search function, Facebook has one, and so on. H-costume is just hanging out there. ) This may well be the reason many of your friends are not on h-costume--they never heard of it. So, one idea is to just get on other groups and tell them about h-costume and how to sign up. That's how I joined h-costume to begin with--the moderator announced it on a vintage clothing email list. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On 8/7/2011 4:01 AM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: A lot of people are still out of work. People were sending a lot of posts from work. People may have backed off of doing so, probably scared they might lose their jobs if caught. Many businesses are also monitoring employees emails too. That's an interesting theory. I keep up with Facebook several times a day because it is on my phone and laptop. I don't receive email on my phone because of 300+ spam messages that I receive a day. True, that matters for many people. I don't even have a cell phone. I don't need one. I spend a lot more time on my computer than on the phone. As for the FB length problem, I post the limit of words and inform people to look in the comments area for more info. True, I just find it very annoying to hunt through truncated or concealed posts. I don't get into blogs. I think they are great for some people, but I just never got into it. BTW, from the DC professional IT email list...blogs have been on their way out for over a year. Why? Plenty of people want their own forum where they can just write an essay about whatever they want and post it. Of course, blogs are a lot of trouble to keep up. I think businesses are now using Facebook more, if all they want is to post briefly to keep in touch with customers. Blogs are very time consuming. As for sewing...it is the #1 hobby for women this past year. Where'd you hear that? Maybe you can contact the costuming events for some stats. I know Comic-Con was a huge success last month. Dragon*Con is expecting between 35,000 to 50,000 people over Labor Day weekend. If I get to go to Dragon*Con, I will let you know. I didn't notice any change in the amount of people at Costume-Con for the past three years...but the people in the know are on h-costume. It's not just the cons, it's the battles and other big reenactment events. I hear people saying they are not going to as many as before. As for those of us who have costuming businesses, especially online, it is always a race to keep up with what is IN OUT. We always have to reinvent the wheel to stay afloat. At this moment, the social media seems to be the way to g To be honest, Penny, I think you are applying attitudes about modern clothing fashions to technology. Also, email lists, blogs, and website b-boards ARE social media. They may be a different format than Facebook, but they are social media. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On Aug 7, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: Yet, some noncostuming email lists I am on are so active, every single day, that there is no way I can follow all the messages. including a couple of majordomo lists. Is it because costume is visual? For your other e-mail lists, are they about visual arts, or can everything be expressed with writing? On H-costume, if someone wants to show a finished costume or a project in progress, they need to direct us to a website. At first it was something like Flickr or their own web page, and later a blog. Blogs and facebook, on the other hand, have the capability built into the system to share images. With a picture being worth 1000 words, it's faster to post images with captions than it is to type out the description. So, rather than write a post to H-costume and set up a link for the photos, people can share in just the one place and be done with it. In the case of one Yahoogroup, there is a member who posts several times a week — the link for her blog. She doesn't share significant info on the Yahoogroup. I enjoy H-costume as a view into what people are doing in other areas and eras of costume. I like that it comes into my in-box rather than having to go to various blogs or web forums. Even on facebook, I often miss things. I thought I had liked Penny's facebook but did not remember seeing any posts from it. I double checked and it is there, unfortunately not close to times that I would look at facebook so I would miss the posts that way. I see more about The Costume Gallery on H-costume than I do on facebook. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Is it because costume is visual? For your other e-mail lists, are they about visual arts, or can everything be expressed with writing? When pictures are necessary people post links to them. But I don't think a picture is worth 1,000 words in costume. Usually accompanying words are necessary even for construction information. And, pictures can be not very useful for discussing social-history aspects of costume. On H-costume, if someone wants to show a finished costume or a project in progress, they need to direct us to a website. But, there are many things to say about costume other than, Here's what I am making, do you like it? That's one reason I like h-costume more than many other groups, it is less focused on personal projects. I enjoy H-costume as a view into what people are doing in other areas and eras of costume. I like that it comes into my in-box rather than having to go to various blogs or web forums. I like all that too. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I don't post very often but I read h-costume daily. I also like the fact that it comes to my in box and I dont' have to search for it. I'm not on facebook or twitter or anything but email. I have only so much time to play on the computer and I find that the few email lists I'm on are sufficient to fill that time. I read only one blog, written by a friend with whom I share a large community and a history; her version of the history is from a different slant and I read her religiously almost daily. I agre with Fran in that there are a lot of historic costumers out there who don't know about h-costume. I've mentioned it several times in covnersation recently and many people have asked about it; they didn't know that it's out there. I also believe that, since the inception of h-costume, more and more period-specific lists are out there and they have probably siphoned off many of the h-costume people. Kimiko's comments are a good example of that. Since she (Kimiko, sorry about using you as an example) has previously only been interested in the Tudor-Elizabethan periods, the conversations about 17-20C periods are useless to her. I'm pleased she has maintained her status on h-costume because she often has added very interesting comments and information to our conversations. There are many other lists appropriate to English 15-16C costuming, some that Kimiko started herself; these lists weren't there when h-costume started up. When you add up those people who left for more what we loosely call Ren lists those people only interested in 18C or 19C, you get fewer of us interested in several periods. I'm interested in most periods between 1550 - 1950. Where else am I going to get the information and conversations I want without going to 20 different lists? I don't have the time to go there. H-costume covers all of them, granted in a more-overviewed way, but there are enough of us we can still ask a question about an Elizabethan shift and maybe Kate Bunting or someone else very knowledgable will answer. The next day I can ask something about a Victorian accessory and be pretty sure that someone else will have an answer or a picture link. LynnD On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.comwrote: Is it because costume is visual? For your other e-mail lists, are they about visual arts, or can everything be expressed with writing? When pictures are necessary people post links to them. But I don't think a picture is worth 1,000 words in costume. Usually accompanying words are necessary even for construction information. And, pictures can be not very useful for discussing social-history aspects of costume. On H-costume, if someone wants to show a finished costume or a project in progress, they need to direct us to a website. But, there are many things to say about costume other than, Here's what I am making, do you like it? That's one reason I like h-costume more than many other groups, it is less focused on personal projects. I enjoy H-costume as a view into what people are doing in other areas and eras of costume. I like that it comes into my in-box rather than having to go to various blogs or web forums. I like all that too. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress __**_ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/**listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I started my own costume blog and mostly blog there, or on the costume blogs of other interested friends. It can be found at: http://cathyscostumeblog.blogspot.com/ On 08/06/2011 05:42 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: I don't do Twitter, but on Facebook, there has been a lot of in depth research type discussions going on in the two Groups I'm a part of. Elizabethan Costume http://www.facebook.com/groups/29374273995/ (being able to discuss with Ninya, Jane, and Melanie among many others about different aspects of whatever photo we are discussing about has been very enlightening. I don't do Facebook. I recently started an account on Google Plus, but I doubt I'll do serious costume discussions there. But still, you can't post anything very long in any discussion. I'm a member of a number of Facebook groups, and I ran into their posting length limit immediately. However, I also know that in order for me to actually Create the ideas floating in my head, I will need to spend less time on this computer, or those ideas won't get created. Maybe folks are spending less time online in order to Create? I wouldn't be surprised. It's amazing how much time the net can take up. Amen to that. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com Beware how you take away hope from another human being. --Oliver Wendell Holmes ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Heather, Numbers 1-6 sound like the Fashion Life Cycle! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have found it. I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And what year did you join? Word of mouth from friends in the local chapter of the costumer's guild. I dont think the list was much more than a few weeks old at the time. 1994? Obligatory costume content: not working on anything costume-y at the moment. Just got back from Costume College have barely got it all laundered put away. The local chapter's Salon (tea party) was at my house today. We had all the 1910s books out so we could inspire the next round of fashions. In Calif, we're coming up on 100 years of Women's Sufferage (women here got the vote rather late, in 1911). Next year is the centenial of the sinking of the Titanic, so there's another good reason to think ragtime thoughts. The Art Deco festival on the Queen Mary is quite soon and so is the Sacramento Ragtime Festival. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:08 PM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have found it. I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Same here, this one in its first incarnation back in 93 or 94, then a couple on Aol and a bbs. :) Franchesca : -Original Message- : From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- : boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of penn...@costumegallery.com : Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:08 PM : To: 'Historical Costume' : Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? : : So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And : what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have : found it. : : I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL. : : Penny Ladnier, owner : The Costume Gallery Websites : www.costumegallery.com : 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history : FaceBook: : http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery- : Websites/107498415961579 : : ___ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Yeah, h-costume an dh-needlework at about the same time, I think. LynnD On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Franchesca franchesca.ha...@gmail.comwrote: Same here, this one in its first incarnation back in 93 or 94, then a couple on Aol and a bbs. :) Franchesca : -Original Message- : From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- : boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of penn...@costumegallery.com : Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:08 PM : To: 'Historical Costume' : Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? : : So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And : what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have : found it. : : I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL. : : Penny Ladnier, owner : The Costume Gallery Websites : www.costumegallery.com : 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history : FaceBook: : http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery- : Websites/107498415961579 : : ___ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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For well over a year, I've been noticing a relative scarcity of posts on pretty much every costume-related mailing list and bulletin board of which I am a member (several dozen). Many of these groups, including h-costume, were formerly very active. The general, noncostume sewing groups are an exception--they seem to be as active as ever. I don't really consider Facebook a substitute because their message limits and format don't cater to either long messages or complicated interchanges. Is costuming going out of style, as it were? Is reenactment less popular? Are people traveling less to events because of the recession, therefore making fewer outfits for attending events, therefore not discussing those projects? Is everyone hanging out on new lists I've never heard of? Where ARE all the costumers hanging out, if not on h-costume? Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Lots of people on blogs. From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 8:37:22 PM Subject: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? For well over a year, I've been noticing a relative scarcity of posts on pretty much every costume-related mailing list and bulletin board of which I am a member (several dozen). Many of these groups, including h-costume, were formerly very active. The general, noncostume sewing groups are an exception--they seem to be as active as ever. I don't really consider Facebook a substitute because their message limits and format don't cater to either long messages or complicated interchanges. Is costuming going out of style, as it were? Is reenactment less popular? Are people traveling less to events because of the recession, therefore making fewer outfits for attending events, therefore not discussing those projects? Is everyone hanging out on new lists I've never heard of? Where ARE all the costumers hanging out, if not on h-costume? Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Which blogs? Fran On 8/6/2011 1:00 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: Lots of people on blogs. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Maybe it was that so many costumers were at Costume College last weekend?? Would you believe that some of us are actually congregating on Facebook? Their new Groups format is actually making things somewhat easier to chat about Elizabethan costumes at least. Traffic and conversations ebb and flow with some days full of new conversations, and some days rather quiet. Some folks are heading to blogs, such as on old LiveJournal (LJ), when it is not under DDOS attacks from the Russian Government (which is why a number of new blogs are being formed elsewhere and there is less traffic on LJ than formerly). I couldn't tell you which blogs to join, as most are focused on a specific time frame or interest, and so it is up to you as to which blogs you want to follow. LJ helped to make all those blogs into a community, with easy friending, and community blogs, which is why I like being there. I am also pondering going to a different blog format because of the LJ problems, but will repost to my old LJ accounts. Some folks are going to Google+, but I'm still not sure if I like things there. Some may be hanging around on Forums of all sorts, but which ones I don't know as I don't do many forums. But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a variety of costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems with all the new technology out there, times change along with the various formats available to communicate with. Kimiko A Gentlewoman's Accounts http://www.kimiko1.com Tudor Lady's Wardrobe pattern. http://www.margospatterns.com/Products/TudorLady.html On Aug 6, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: Where ARE all the costumers hanging out, if not on h-costume? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a variety of costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems with all the new technology out there, times change along with the various formats available to communicate with. Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them used more as form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion. I'm really more interested in substantive information than chat or belonging to a community. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I'm travelling right now, seeing costumes and dancing in all places, just saw an amazing collection outside of Copenhagen. I'm planning to do less on email groups when I get back and focus more on my blog and using it to keep me honest and producing more reproductions and research. I find email groups are taking up too much of my time and its easier to keep tabs on blogs and facebook for now. But then, I have three children also competing for my time, so I can't speak for everyone. Cheers, Aylwen http://aylwen.blogspot.com On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com wrote: But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a variety of costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems with all the new technology out there, times change along with the various formats available to communicate with. Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them used more as form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion. I'm really more interested in substantive information than chat or belonging to a community. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress __**_ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/**listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I myself can't seem to get into blogs or facebook (except to try to promote my belly dance veils). Maybe it's just that I haven't a clue how to find what I might be looking for. I am not interested in one particular area of costuming so I'm not aware of what's out there. What I have always liked about this email list and the theatrical costuming list is that they are 2 places I can go to easily when i have a question.There's usually at least one person on one of the 2 lists that knows the answer. I love these lists and would hate to see them go, but I do understand people wanting more specific areas that address their own particular concern. Btw, while I'm at it,and since we're discussing facebook, any belly dancers out there? Please check out my facebook page where I sell the hand-dyed silk veils i make. Is it ok to promote ourselves on this list, I hope? http://www.facebook.com/pages/Emeralds-Belly-Dance-veils-etc/ 134438376621333 Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com Hand-dyed silk belly dance veils http://www.facebook.com/pages/Emeralds-Belly-Dance-veils-etc/ 134438376621333 On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a variety of costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems with all the new technology out there, times change along with the various formats available to communicate with. Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them used more as form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion. I'm really more interested in substantive information than chat or belonging to a community. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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snip II find email groups are taking up too much of my time and its easier to keep tabs on blogs and facebook for now. snip That's one thing I was wondering about. Is the enthusiasm for lots of back-and-forth discussion waning because of the time it takes? Blogs are very time consuming too, but mostly for the blog owner. No one else has to respond to keep the blog going. And the formats of Facebook and Twitter basically encourage announcements rather than discussions. The other thing I was wondering about is, I saw a decline in egroup posts starting soon after the 2008 stock market/housing crash. Traffic has not really bounced back, but then, neither has the economy. In late 2008 I was wondering whether people would costume more (more involuntary free time, because they'd been laid off) or less (because travel to events is expensive and I notice many people saying they are now skipping events they used to travel to). My guess is they are costuming less than before the crash. I am not sure that purchase of supplies is as large an expense factor as event travel. I'm seeing people on both costuming and mainstream sewing groups saying how glad they are for their fabric stashes to draw on. Anyway, I really like h-costume because it is multi-era, and one of the more substantive groups. I'm interested in many periods. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On 8/6/2011 2:01 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I myself can't seem to get into blogs or facebook (except to try to promote my belly dance veils). Maybe it's just that I haven't a clue how to find what I might be looking for. snip Maybe people could post links to their favorite blogs or other groups and mention what era(s) or areas the group focuses on? Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off the top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open as the format of it is more conducive to community. Teena From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them used more as form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion. I'm really more interested in substantive information than chat or belonging to a community. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I never even heard of this live journal thing. i know you said what it is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works. Is it different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs?  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off the top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open as the format of it is more conducive to community. Teena From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them used more as form of journalism (one person posts regularly/ provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion. I'm really more interested in substantive information than chat or belonging to a community. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Beteena, I've read a fair number of LJ posts. I still think both LJ and other blog formats work like this: One person (or a group of people who have assembled for the long term specifically to post the blog entries) posts on a regular and/or frequent basis. The post is like a short magazine article or essay. Then, other people comment on the post. Many of the comments are on the Great work! or I agree! lines. Some are substantive, but even so, not usually more than a paragraph or two long. I would argue that this is a different format from a discussion group like h-costume, where anyone can broach any subject at any time, and it is easy for multiple people to engage in each discussion. If in a blog format, one person is responding to another's blog on his/her own blog, and then people have to respond to that post, it's just a lot harder for this to be a general discussion where everyone can tell what is going on. That does not mean I am attacking LiveJournal. I'm saying that a blog format, where one person provides most of the content and others respond to it, is different from a more general discussion group. I am also not against hanging out in a community for the sake of doing so. It's just that I personally am not interested in doing that. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com On 8/6/2011 2:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off the top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open as the format of it is more conducive to community. Teena From: Lavolta Pressf...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them used more as form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion. I'm really more interested in substantive information than chat or belonging to a community. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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LiveJournal is just a blog host. Members can join as many blogs as they want and then comment on those blogs. Fran LavoltaPress www.lavoltapress.com On 8/6/2011 2:17 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I never even heard of this live journal thing. i know you said what it is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works. Is it different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs?  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off the top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open as the format of it is more conducive to community. Teena From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them used more as form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion. I'm really more interested in substantive information than chat or belonging to a community. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: snipNo one else has to respond to keep the blog going. And the formats of Facebook and Twitter basically encourage announcements rather than discussions. I don't do Twitter, but on Facebook, there has been a lot of in depth research type discussions going on in the two Groups I'm a part of. Elizabethan Costume http://www.facebook.com/groups/29374273995/ (being able to discuss with Ninya, Jane, and Melanie among many others about different aspects of whatever photo we are discussing about has been very enlightening. I think it is the ability to add in a photo shared by someone, and then discuss aspects of what is seen in that photo, that really adds an element that is harder to do on an email list.) Historic Hand Embroidery (which I just started two days ago and it is pretty hopping right now, mostly on sweete bags and elizabethan coifs, but other era garments/embroidery is welcome) http://www.facebook.com/groups/156337781110182/ The new Group format allows for photo posting, some basic documents (but that is glitchy), and fast response times which can keep me on the computer longer than expected. What I found is that if you create a group, invite a few friends you know are interested in the topic, that people with interest in that group show up rather quickly to be included. You might search to see if there is a Group already created and of interest to you, or make your own for your own interests. If you make your own, I suggest making it Closed so it doesn't spam friends who aren't on that list, but leave the accepting of new members open to other members so folks can be easily added by other members (I may close mine in a few weeks to just the admins, or if we get someone that is a putz.) However, I also know that in order for me to actually Create the ideas floating in my head, I will need to spend less time on this computer, or those ideas won't get created. Maybe folks are spending less time online in order to Create? In late 2008 I was wondering whether people would costume more (more involuntary free time, because they'd been laid off) or less (because travel to events is expensive and I notice many people saying they are now skipping events they used to travel to). My guess is they are costuming less than before the crash. I am not sure that purchase of supplies is as large an expense factor as event travel. I'm seeing people on both costuming and mainstream sewing groups saying how glad they are for their fabric stashes to draw on. The friends I read on LJ, and the community posters, have all mentioned doing a heavy draw on their stashes for awhile. I know I'm still working more from my stash as well and only buying a few items to add finishing touches from my stash items. But while folks are talking about not traveling as much, they are still traveling to events dear to their hearts - so fewer events, and fewer shopping for new stuff, but the commentary about making things seems to be just as active, as is recycling old materials into new items that is also coming up more often. I know that folks at Costume College have plans for next year's costuming and are very excited from their ideas. So, to my perspective, people are still doing stuff, making stuff, just adjusting to this new financial situation best they can. Anyway, I really like h-costume because it is multi-era, and one of the more substantive groups. I'm interested in many periods. I agree, even if my focus is mainly on 16th century. I have always liked this group and have no plans on leaving. In fact, I've realized that I need to break out of the 16th c. rut I am in, and branch out into other time periods, including fantasy/sci-fi, which often has a basis in historical styles. Fran, I bought one of your books recently to help me do just that. I know I'll end up having questions on other eras soon enough. Kimiko The ordinary arts we practice every day at home are of more importance to the soul than their simplicity might suggest. ~ Sir Thomas More (1478 - 1535) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I mentioned my two FB Groups that I enjoy. On LiveJournal, I've got too many feeds and blogs that I enjoy, but one that I think really helps feed the creative soul for costuming is DressDiaries http://dressdiaries.livejournal.com/ It is open to anyone who wants to share how they created whatever costume or costume accessory they are working on. Most folks are cross posting from their own LJ or other blog, but it can be interesting and educational in seeing how folks create X, from historical to fantastical. Just follow the community rules in posting is all we admins ask. Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Celebrate any progress. Don't wait to get perfect. ~ Ann McGee Cooper On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: Maybe people could post links to their favorite blogs or other groups and mention what era(s) or areas the group focuses on? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On 8/6/2011 5:17 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I never even heard of this live journal thing. i know you said what it is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works. Is it different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs? LiveJournal and DreamWidth have the idea of Friends Lists (or Reading Lists) down to a fine art. You subscribe (for lack of a better word) to folks that you want to follow (like Kimiko, for instance), and then on your Reading page, all their entries show it. It's **MUCH** micer/easier (IMO) to follow than a bunch of different blogs. They all come to one place. I also think it's easier to have a discussion on LJ or DW than it is on most blogs because of the way the comments are structured. It's very easy to follow a comment thread there. Susan/ jerusha/ FlorentineScot -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On 8/6/2011 5:26 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: Beteena, I've read a fair number of LJ posts. I still think both LJ and other blog formats work like this: One person (or a group of people who have assembled for the long term specifically to post the blog entries) posts on a regular and/or frequent basis. The post is like a short magazine article or essay. Then, other people comment on the post. Many of the comments are on the Great work! or I agree! lines. Some are substantive, but even so, not usually more than a paragraph or two long. I would argue that this is a different format from a discussion group like h-costume, where anyone can broach any subject at any time, and it is easy for multiple people to engage in each discussion. If in a blog format, one person is responding to another's blog on his/her own blog, and then people have to respond to that post, it's just a lot harder for this to be a general discussion where everyone can tell what is going on. Oh, very much so. Here, anybody can start a discussion about anything. There, you have to respond to what I say. Each of the venues, Facebook, Journaling sites, Blogging sites and even Discussion Boards have their own intended purpose and methods of interacting. I suspect it's just the summer heat and a temporary lull in the lists. It happens to all lists from time to time. And as somebody, Kimiko?, mentioned, Costume College was last weekend. Folks are probably recovering! Susan -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: But still, you can't post anything very long in any discussion. I'm a member of a number of Facebook groups, and I ran into their posting length limit immediately. Quite true. It is more suitable for back and forth short chatting and sharing of ideas, than long-length pontificating from one person, which is appropriate more for a mailing list like this, or a blog. I think one can use a Document for longer content but that doesn't go as well in replies it seems. But it does allow for edits from multiple people in the Group. Perhaps a Google+ account is more your style? It seems a cross between a blog and FB, and I don't recall reading there being a length limit to posts or replies. And no apps/games to distract you. You can also limit your commentary to those you decide to put into your Circle of friends, which can be whoever you want. I've not done much there yet, and there are problems there since it is in early stages, but it is an option. So much variety nowadays, no wonder some of the older methods are not so hopping. Kimiko A Gentlewoman's Accounts http://www.kimiko1.com Tudor Lady's Wardrobe pattern. http://www.margospatterns.com/Products/TudorLady.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Geez. I'm even more out of it than I thought I was. i thought all I was missing out on was facebook and twitter (and texting). Now I see it's Live Journal too. When do people find time to do all this computerized social networking and have a life?  Sylvia Rognstad Costume/clothing design construction Alterations home dec http://www.ezzyworld.com On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: On 8/6/2011 5:17 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I never even heard of this live journal thing. i know you said what it is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works. Is it different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs? LiveJournal and DreamWidth have the idea of Friends Lists (or Reading Lists) down to a fine art. You subscribe (for lack of a better word) to folks that you want to follow (like Kimiko, for instance), and then on your Reading page, all their entries show it. It's **MUCH** micer/easier (IMO) to follow than a bunch of different blogs. They all come to one place. I also think it's easier to have a discussion on LJ or DW than it is on most blogs because of the way the comments are structured. It's very easy to follow a comment thread there. Susan/ jerusha/ FlorentineScot -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
On 8/6/2011 7:08 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Geez. I'm even more out of it than I thought I was. i thought all I was missing out on was facebook and twitter (and texting). Now I see it's Live Journal too. When do people find time to do all this computerized social networking and have a life? Life? Actually, many of my students interact with me preferentially through facebook rather than traditional email. But then, teaching eats anything resembling much of a life for me! :-( (I love teaching, don't get me wrong; I just miss having time to do things other than grade papers for 250 students!) Susan -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
No, it doesn't really work like that. All of my costuming friends on LJ, of which there are many, post similar to a handwritten diary. So some days it is about how they can't get a seam right and the next day it is about their cat or whatever. (Some people have separate journals for personal and costuming, some mix both into one). It is a diary not an official blog like, say, The Duchess of Devonshire's Gossip Guide to the 18th Century or Perez Hilton or whatever. All of us comment on each others diary posts both costume related and not. We have a friends page which lists all of the posts our friends have made. It is a very strong support system of like minded individuals. So for example, where on the h-cost list, you could email and say Oh look at this new book about warnshnaggles that I found today! and people would respond to it. One of us could post to our LJ the same message and all of them respond to it. Same for asking for help on how to fix a wrinkled corset or bodice that is pulling under the arms or whatever. In addition to personal journals like that, there are communties such as dressdiaries or lamodeillustree or costumesnark or whatever. There are tons of them. They are groups where any member can post something related to the specific community and the members of that community can comment on them. These will show up on the above mentioned friends lists if you want. From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 10:26:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? Beteena, I've read a fair number of LJ posts. I still think both LJ and other blog formats work like this: One person (or a group of people who have assembled for the long term specifically to post the blog entries) posts on a regular and/or frequent basis. The post is like a short magazine article or essay. Then, other people comment on the post. Many of the comments are on the Great work! or I agree! lines. Some are substantive, but even so, not usually more than a paragraph or two long. I would argue that this is a different format from a discussion group like h-costume, where anyone can broach any subject at any time, and it is easy for multiple people to engage in each discussion. If in a blog format, one person is responding to another's blog on his/her own blog, and then people have to respond to that post, it's just a lot harder for this to be a general discussion where everyone can tell what is going on. That does not mean I am attacking LiveJournal. I'm saying that a blog format, where one person provides most of the content and others respond to it, is different from a more general discussion group. I am also not against hanging out in a community for the sake of doing so. It's just that I personally am not interested in doing that. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com On 8/6/2011 2:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off the top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open as the format of it is more conducive to community. Teena From: Lavolta Pressf...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them used more as form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion. I'm really more interested in substantive information than chat or belonging to a community. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
On 8/6/2011 5:23 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: No, it doesn't really work like that. All of my costuming friends on LJ, of which there are many, post similar to a handwritten diary. So some days it is about how they can't get a seam right and the next day it is about their cat or whatever. (Some people have separate journals for personal and costuming, some mix both into one). It is a diary not an official blog like, say, The Duchess of Devonshire's Gossip Guide to the 18th Century or Perez Hilton or whatever. Well, my observation is that on their personal blogs, people post whatever they want. Sometimes it is all related to a theme, sometimes not. The LiveJournal ones I have read are no different that the ones hosted by services other than LiveJournal. I do have to say that since what I look for is content, I am turned off by blogs that are how to do something costume related one day, and the blogger's struggles with how to fix their kitchen faucet another day. All of us comment on each others diary posts both costume related and not. We have a friends page which lists all of the posts our friends have made. It is a very strong support system of like minded individuals. That confirms that you and I want quite different things, which is fine. I'm not interested in strictly personal posts and feel no need for a support system. Just on e-groups with consistent, targeted, substantive information on topics of interest to me. We are basically agreeing here: Blogs, and comments on them, encourage different kinds of interaction than groups like h-costume. Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
