[Hampshire] Correction - was:Re: [OT] Southampton Hackerspace Survey

2012-09-09 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 09 September 2012 10:22:16 Benjie Gillam wrote:
 Apologies for the cross-post but I'm aware that there are a number of
 people on this list who are into hacking/making/tinkering.

 We're trying to get a Southampton Hacker/Makerspace off the ground, so
 we're about to start talks with Southampton University regarding potential
 early support. If you like making, modding or tinkering (be that software,
 hardware, textiles, Art, ...), could you take between 20 seconds and 3
 minutes out to fill in our survey? Only the first 2 questions are required.

 http://southackton.org.uk/2012/09/07/southackton-survey-2012/

 If you know anyone else who would be interested, please forward the survey
 on to them!

 The post above links to the survey, it also has a map showing the locations
 of the nearest hackerspaces, confirming that a Southampton hackerspace
 could be great for everyone in the surrounding area - not just people
 living in Southampton! The post also contains Wikipedia's definition of a
 hackerspace, in case you're not familiar with the term.

 Thanks, and sorry for the interruption,

 Benjie.

This sounded an interesting project, so I looked at the survey.  Unfortunately 
it starts with misinformation.  

It claims that the nearest hackspaces are in Bristol and London.  This is 
simply not true.  There is a flourishing hackspace in Reading and a very 
healthy, though as yet homeless, new hackspace specifically called Surrey 
**and Hampshire** Hackspace (my stars).  This is currently meeting in Ash 
Vale, near Farnborough.  And there may well be others of which I am unaware.

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Re: [Hampshire] Correction - was:Re: [OT] Southampton Hackerspace Survey

2012-09-09 Thread hantslug
Thanks, Benjie for your reply.

On Sunday 09 September 2012 12:50:35 Benjie Gillam wrote:
 As regards Surrey and Hampshire Hackspace - like Southackton they don't yet
 have an actual hackspace, they're a group of hackers/makers who meet
 frequently

There has been no mention of anything to suggest that you are already meeting, 
let alone when and where, which are surely necessary if you are to attract 
new members.  SHH is already doing a small amount of hacking, although that 
is necessarily limited by the lack of a permanent home.

It also is trying to build up its membership, which you clearly are not yet 
doing.  So it is more advanced than you are in the process of setting up.

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Re: [Hampshire] Correction - was:Re: [OT] Southampton Hackerspace Survey

2012-09-09 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 09 September 2012 15:51:22 Dave Walker wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 2:18 PM, hants...@googlemail.com wrote:
  Thanks, Benjie for your reply.
 
  On Sunday 09 September 2012 12:50:35 Benjie Gillam wrote:
   As regards Surrey and Hampshire Hackspace - like Southackton they don't
 
  yet
 
   have an actual hackspace, they're a group of hackers/makers who meet
   frequently
 
  There has been no mention of anything to suggest that you are already
  meeting,
  let alone when and where, which are surely necessary if you are to
  attract new members.  SHH is already doing a small amount of hacking,
  although that is necessarily limited by the lack of a permanent home.
 
  It also is trying to build up its membership, which you clearly are not
  yet doing.  So it is more advanced than you are in the process of setting
  up.
 
  Lisi

 Having not looked at hantslug list for some time, and returning to see the
 traditional negativity this list provides; I remember exactly why I stopped
 following it.

It seems more than somewhat unfair to blame HantsLUG for what you perceive as 
my negativity.

 Why can't there be a little more constructive help?

Erm...  I filled in his survey and answered the questions as accurately and as 
helpfully as I could.  I protested because Benjie seemed to me to be aiming 
at poaching members from another fledgeling group.  It has regular meetings 
in a private room and is actively seeking permanent premises.   The omission 
of Reading seems to have been a genuine error, but he still omitted it - to 
his advantage.

Any errors I made are mine alone and in no way the fault of HantsLUG.

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Re: [Hampshire] Correction - was:Re: [OT] Southampton Hackerspace Survey

2012-09-09 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 09 September 2012 16:16:00 Tony Whitmore wrote:
 On 09/09/12 14:18, hants...@googlemail.com wrote:
  On Sunday 09 September 2012 12:50:35 Benjie Gillam wrote:
  As regards Surrey and Hampshire Hackspace - like Southackton they don't
  yet have an actual hackspace, they're a group of hackers/makers who meet
  frequently
 
  There has been no mention of anything to suggest that you are already
  meeting, let alone when and where, which are surely necessary if you are
  to attract new members.  SHH is already doing a small amount of hacking,
  although that is necessarily limited by the lack of a permanent home.
 
  It also is trying to build up its membership, which you clearly are not
  yet doing.  So it is more advanced than you are in the process of setting
  up.

 The Southackton website shows that it has been around for years and is
 fairly active:

 We are currently holding two meetings a month at the Arthouse Cafe in
 Southampton on the 1st Wednesday and 3rd Tuesay [sic] of the month

 The earliest blog post on their website is from May 2009:

 http://southackton.org.uk/2009/05/20/a-hackerspace-in-southampton/

 The flickr stream shows quite a few people getting involved in making
 stuff:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/42005974@N02/3874580279/in/pool-1245172@N22/

Point taken.  But one would need to know that it existed surely to look at its 
website?  So I stand by the assertion that they have not made active efforts 
to increase their membership.

Lisi


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Re: [Hampshire] [ADMIN] IMPORTANT PLEASE READ!

2012-08-29 Thread hantslug
On Wednesday 29 August 2012 09:09:58 Victor Churchill wrote:
 I'll aim to make it for Saturday 3 October but I rarely manage the other
 non-Soton meets.

According to the wiki, that meeting is at Southampton, as are the November and 
December meetings.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] [ADMIN] IMPORTANT PLEASE READ!

2012-08-29 Thread hantslug
On Wednesday 29 August 2012 21:07:39 Imran Chaudhry wrote:
 On 29 August 2012 09:09, Victor Churchill victorchurch...@gmail.com wrote:
  LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk

 Just FYI, I have seen several people with this URL in sigs but the www
 address does not resolve.

 But http://hantslug.org.uk redirects to the wiki site.

http://www.hants.lug.org.uk goes straight there.  (Trial and error!)

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Re: [Hampshire] Netbook batteries

2012-07-31 Thread hantslug
On Tuesday 31 July 2012 13:40:32 Paul Tansom wrote:
 I'm assuming they aren't as good, but can they be that bad
 to justify the price of an official one? (Actually official ones seem to be
 thin on the ground so it seems likely to be a 3rd party anyway.).

 Does anyone have any experience / horror stories / good revies / etc.?

Yes, I got a horror for my Acer Aspire One.  If I remember, I'll show it to 
you.  A quite horrific waste of £40.  It came from somewhere in the Far East, 
and the internal connections do not even meet.  Desmond suggested that it 
might be worth prising the thing open and soldering the connections together.  
I cut my losses, but keep it as an object lesson on the side-effects of 
parsimony!!

Branded batteries for me from now on.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Spinning rust

2012-07-20 Thread hantslug
On Friday 20 July 2012 09:35:06 Leszek Kobiernicki 1 wrote:
 Novatech once sold us 150 ECS motherboard-based boxes, quite a number of
 which had a faulty 2nd channel, so I ended up having to be creative with
 getting all the drives connected ..  ( ECS is a cheap  cheerful copy of
 MSI )

If they were faulty, could you not just get them replaced under the guarantee?

 I heard someone bought a Win_7 box from them, who when he asked how to
 get familiar with it ( he was used to XP ), got the brush-off, in very
 short order - they refused to help him, in any way

That does no chime with my experience at all.  I have always found them very 
ready to help and very helpful.  They have not even blanched at the L word.

 To circumvent this deadlock, I'm going to help him migrate to a Linux
 OS, with help/support from/through our Ports LUG

Far be it from me to dissuade anyone from installing Linux for someone else, 
but why not give him the help he wants with Windows 7 and then install Linux 
as  dual boot?  It seems a bit of a pity to blow away something for which he 
has paid good money - and Novatech overtly charges for Windows.
 
 No need to leave anyone out in the cold, like the box-shifters seem to
 like to do !

In my experience, and I have bought a lot from them over the years, Novatech 
does not leave people out in the cold.  I would be interested to know what 
had happened to get your acquaintance into this situation.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Citrix

2012-07-20 Thread hantslug
On Friday 20 July 2012 10:39:19 Full Circle Podcast wrote:
 Lisi: couldn't remember which Act precisely (hence 'disability rights
 legislation' in lower case), but that would be the one.

No, I realise that.  My email wws aimed rather at Rob, who was being advised 
to quote it.  As someone with sight problems he probably knew that already, 
but it seemed worth telling him.

 Not that I expect Rob will need to quote from it, since the merest hint of
 industrial tribunal tends to kick the management's backside into action,
 speaking as former member of said management. This is the sort of
 technology thing that should override standard IT policy as a matter of
 course, anyway.

In addition to the threat of tribunals, there is a straighforward case to be 
answered in the courts, where, if they refused to help, he could sue them; 
and where the only acceptable defence is that what was being asked was too 
much for the defendant to be reasonably able to do. The RNIB did publish a 
standard letter to be used for complaints under the Disabilty Discrimination 
Act.  It seems likely that they now do one under the Equality Act, but I do 
not know for sure.

And I have found quoting to be very useful.  It concentrates people's minds 
wonderfully! 

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Citrix

2012-07-20 Thread hantslug
On Friday 20 July 2012 12:05:20 Rob Malpass wrote:
  And I have found quoting to be very useful.  It concentrates people's
  minds wonderfully!

 Thanks Lisi.   I'm 99% sure it won't come to that.

No - it rarely does.  But it is useful to know what arrows one has at one's 
disposal!!  And I did once use it to great effect.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Citrix

2012-07-19 Thread hantslug
On Thursday 19 July 2012 10:46:48 Full Circle Podcast wrote:
 a gentle reminder
 about disability rights legislation around the coffee machine

I assume you know (and apologise for mentioning it if you do) that the 
Disability Act 2000 has been superseded by the Equality Act 2010?

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] My 2p on the GUI 'Wars'

2012-07-04 Thread hantslug
On Wednesday 04 July 2012 18:14:08 Imran Chaudhry wrote:
 Log-in without password I found a hassle with Debian.

I set this up regularly for my husband, my granddaughter and myself.  I have 
never had a problem.  (kdm, kdm-trinity, gdm with LXDE.  also Lubuntu, but I 
don't remember whether it was there by default or I set it.)

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x

2012-07-02 Thread hantslug
On Monday 02 July 2012 01:49:29 Leszek Kobiernicki 1 wrote:
 We're still all adults here, I think ?

I wouldn't count on it!  Seriously, I hope that there are some who have no yet 
reached adulthood.  Catch 'em young and all the rest of it.  And we perhaps 
should set a good example?

There was that enthusiastic and knowledgeable young man who came to the PLUG 
stand at the Havant Green Fair, would love to come to meetings (when they are 
no longer in a pub!!) and hopefully has subscribed to PLUG, and I would be 
surprised if he has entered his teens.  I am sure that he is not unique.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 v. old Gnome/KDE on 10.04.x

2012-06-30 Thread hantslug
On Saturday 30 June 2012 11:37:06 Alan Pope wrote:
 I hear Debian is quite nice :)

I never expected to hear you say that! ;-)

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Raspberry Pi

2012-06-30 Thread hantslug
On Saturday 30 June 2012 17:59:00 Jonathan Hudson wrote:
 On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:21:59 +0100, David Anderson wrote:
 My Raspberry Pi is supposed to be arriving next week. Has anyone tried
 one, or got one in use?

 Had one for nearly two months now. Fun bit of kit. Running Arch (and
 sometimes my weather station). Had it been a bit more expensive and had
 twice the RAM, it would have been really impressive.

It would have been really impressive, but it would have negated the original 
purpose.  It appears to me to be a remarkable achievement in terms both of 
price and of design, but even more of concept.

Lisi

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[Hampshire] Yes, please! was Re: Books for free

2012-06-26 Thread hantslug
On Tuesday 26 June 2012 16:37:33 Alan Pope wrote:

 Larger image:
 https://twitter.com/popey/status/217622611264417792/photo/1/large

 I no longer want ^^ this pile of books. If someone would like to take
 them all away I would be very happy. 

Hello, Popey :-)

If it is not too late, may I grab them for a friend?  He is 27, unemployed, 
laid up with a gammy knee and learning Linux so fast that it is frightening!

It seems unlikely that he has many books and I am sure that he would love 
them.

Thanks!

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Re: [Hampshire] Books for free

2012-06-26 Thread hantslug
On Tuesday 26 June 2012 16:54:13 Alan Pope wrote:
 On 26/06/12 16:37, Alan Pope wrote:
  https://twitter.com/popey/status/217622611264417792/photo/1

 These are being donated to the Surrey  Hants Hackspace..

 Sorry to those others who also mailed..

And sorry for rushing to answer, so that I was reasonably fast, without first 
reading the rest of the thread.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] ISP level of tech support

2012-06-22 Thread hantslug
On Thursday 21 June 2012 22:55:59 Andy Smith wrote:
 So if someone were to say to me,

     I know I have a problematic phone line and need an ISP that's
     going to go to fight for me with BT instead of one that will
     just do the equivalent of a shoulder shrug and pass the buck
     after having taken my money.
[snip]
 then I probably would not recommend Zen particularly.

I have found Zen absolutely marvellous in this respect.  In fact, I have found 
Zen's support marvellous over the years.  

But maybe my expectations are lower.  I have helped many people with problems 
with TalkTalk and other large, cheap, ISPs.  If, after that lot, I have 
occasion to contact Zen, I am profoundly grateful for what I get.

Lisi



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Re: [Hampshire] Support for touchscreens

2012-06-22 Thread hantslug
On Thursday 21 June 2012 11:01:50 Alan Pope wrote:
 On 21/06/12 10:54, Kevin Safford wrote:
  Can anyone with experience in this area offer advice on hardware
  and best distro - or indeed an alternative approach?

 Gut reaction says iPad. :S

:-)

But a (much) bigger screen with large display items is better for those who 
are visually challenged, as are many of those with Alzheimers, because many 
of them are old.

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] ISP level of tech support

2012-06-21 Thread hantslug
On Thursday 21 June 2012 18:32:27 Rob Malpass wrote:
 When I asked him about this
 he said Zen didn't support the router (even though they supplied it!)

Zen sells routers, but does not supply them in the same sense as e.g. Sky 
does.  Though I would agree that it does not sound as tho' the chap you spoke 
to was pulling all the stops out.  I would smart a little if that had 
happened to me!

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 27 May 2012 09:27:29 Brad Rogers wrote:
  FF, in common with all the browsers
 I've ever used, allow you to view the cookies via their settings pages.

How?

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 27 May 2012 12:01:54 john lewis wrote:
 In opera it is

 Tools  Preferences   Advanced  Cookies  Manage Cookies

 I imagine FF does something similar.

I can't find it anywhere. :-(  Perhaps I am being blind, but I still can't 
find it.

Hence my asking how. 

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-25 Thread hantslug
On Friday 25 May 2012 21:47:51 Tony Whitmore wrote:
 You need to explicitly tell users what cookies you set, what they are
 used for and allow them to opt out of having them set. I've seen a
 number of companies and organisations changing their website to reflect
 these requirements too.

The Which? site gives no option to say no, and yet browse the site.  You can 
click yes, and continue, or shut the browser down.  Some giving the punter 
the choice!!

The site does in fact work fine without cookies because I have yet to accept 
any from them.  The policy for that site, as I have it set in Konqueror, is 
reject.  And I have used it for years now.

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Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-25 Thread hantslug
On Friday 25 May 2012 22:26:16 Brad Rogers wrote:
 Many sites will.  It can be a painful experience though.  Having to
 enter your name and address *every* time you order something from a
 supplier is just one example.

I don't order from Which?.  I just read the site.  And now it is impossible to 
look at the site without accepting cookies.  I still have them blocked in 
Konqueror, of course.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Netbooks

2012-04-24 Thread hantslug
On Tuesday 24 April 2012 12:12:25 Full Circle Podcast wrote:
 The Acer Aspires are also good.

Yes, I have an Acer Aspire One with which I am very pleased.  I am starting to 
find the screen too small for me, but the clarity is excellent, and I have 
had it running for (temporary) use as desktop by connecting it to monitor, 
keyboard etc.

I had not mentioned it because, by the standards of most of the people on this 
list, it is rather long in the tooth.

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Re: [Hampshire] Old Macs

2012-04-23 Thread hantslug
On Monday 23 April 2012 11:49:03 Paul Tansom wrote:
  I do have some
 parts that I'll let you have though, CDROM drives if they are of any use,
 maybe a case or two -

Thanks, Paul. :-)

 oh, and I still have those two keyboards for you!!! 

And I still have that BBC box for you.  Perhaps we should meet some time!!

Getting to you from here by public transport is tricky, so I would need 
Peter's help to get over there.  But Havant is easily accessible and I think 
that you sometimes go there?

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Re: [Hampshire] Old Macs

2012-04-23 Thread hantslug
On Monday 23 April 2012 12:37:39 hants...@googlemail.com wrote:
 maybe a case or two

Wake up, Lisi!

I obviously need Peter's help.  He is actually going to be at home for a 
resonable chunk of May, so it should be fixable.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Old Macs

2012-04-22 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 22 April 2012 17:50:33 Paul Tansom wrote:
 Has anyone got any interest in some old Apple Macs? 
[snip] 
 I'm as yet not 
 completely decided about ditching all of them and/or eBaying some (not
 entirely sure how/if they go), but thought if anyone had an interest in
 something it may help me along the way to creating some space :)

Two of us are involved in trying to get old computers used rather than binned 
via Havant Transitions.  This can either be reuse of the machine they were 
about to bin because it couldn't run Windows 8, or supplying a computer that 
is a land-fill rescue, for a nominal fee, to people, both who are on low 
incomes and who are not likely to want to do more than email, browse, 
possibly type letters.

Would yours be suitable?  I am pretty ignorant about Apple Macs; though if you 
are getting rid of them they are probably _very_ ancient!

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Re: [Hampshire] HantsLUG Meetings Question

2012-04-11 Thread hantslug
On Tuesday 10 April 2012 22:43:34 Tim Brocklehurst wrote:
 In the case of the LUG, I would advise that we seek further advice, from
 someone with suitable knowledge.

That would obviousl;y be a good idea.

 I don't think the argument that you pose 
 Lisi can ever stand up, just due to the definition of a child; and I doubt
 that many parents would be happy with the suggestion. I certainly wouldn't
 be if leaving my niece or nephew with anyone I didn't know.

We are not postulating leaving the child with someone you do not know.  We 
are postulating the child just turning up under his/her own steam.

Children of the age of your niece and nephew would not be going anywhere under 
their own steam.

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Re: [Hampshire] Meeting Talks

2012-04-11 Thread hantslug
On Tuesday 10 April 2012 21:20:46 James Bensley wrote:
 Ultimately where I'd like to go with his is if the talker where happy
 to, record the talks and host them on line, to form a community
 lectures page for the wiki, with an archive of the talks.

There is already an archive of the talks.  Here is the URL for you James: 
http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/wiki/TechTalks

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Latitude C840 keyboard

2012-04-10 Thread hantslug
On Monday 09 April 2012 20:50:35 hants...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I am on the hunt for a Dell Latitude C840 keyboard.  I could obviously try
 eBay, but my experience of getting electronic/computing bits for eBay does
 not inspire me with confidence.  I have wasted my money on duds more often
 than I have been successful.  So I thought that I would try here first.  I
 am cross-posting with the Surrey LUG and the Portsmouth LUG to increase my
 chances, but I promise to keep other lists informed if I get an offer.

 I will happily buy, beg or steal.  Borrowing wouldn't be much good!

Thanks to replies on one of the other lists, I now know that there is more 
than one keyboard for the Latitude C840, and I need to check the part-number 
on the back of the present keyboard.   This I shall do before proceeding!!

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Re: [Hampshire] HantsLUG Meetings Question

2012-04-10 Thread hantslug
On Tuesday 10 April 2012 20:16:26 Jon Wilks wrote:
 I took my son Ross to the last HantsLug meeting and he is 9.

 Jon

 On Apr 10, 2012 7:03 PM, Dominic Rodriguez shymega2...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Guys,
 
  Is there a minimum age limit for HantsLUG meetings? If so, could you tell
  me? I am 13 if that helps.

My granddaughter came with me several times when she was nine. 

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Re: [Hampshire] Meeting Talks

2012-04-10 Thread hantslug
On Tuesday 10 April 2012 21:20:46 James Bensley wrote:
 Ultimately where I'd like to go with his is if the talker where happy
 to, record the talks and host them on line, to form a community
 lectures page for the wiki, with an archive of the talks.

This used to be done almost always.  Has the collection of talks disappeared 
from the wiki?  I can't check because the wiki appears to be off-line.

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Re: [Hampshire] HantsLUG Meetings Question

2012-04-10 Thread hantslug
On Tuesday 10 April 2012 22:08:10 Tim Brocklehurst wrote:
  However, if the previously unsupervised youngster is in the company
 of a responsible adult (trusted by both youngster and parents), then I
 don't think there would be a problem

I think that you would find that there would.  Parents running a car-pool seem 
to have to be CRB checked. :-(

But I would have thought that if the child brings him or herself, and is not 
accompanied, then no adult is responsible, so no adult needs checking.  Think 
of public transport.  No child could travel unaccompanied because of all the 
unchecked adults that are likely to be on the bus/train/aeroplane, if we 
needed CRB checking in case child turns up.  And does anyone know what age 
counts as a child?

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[Hampshire] Latitude C840 keyboard

2012-04-09 Thread hantslug
I am on the hunt for a Dell Latitude C840 keyboard.  I could obviously try 
eBay, but my experience of getting electronic/computing bits for eBay does 
not inspire me with confidence.  I have wasted my money on duds more often 
than I have been successful.  So I thought that I would try here first.  I am 
cross-posting with the Surrey LUG and the Portsmouth LUG to increase my 
chances, but I promise to keep other lists informed if I get an offer.

I will happily buy, beg or steal.  Borrowing wouldn't be much good!

Thanks,
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Re: [Hampshire] Domain type authentication using Linux as domain server

2012-04-08 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 08 April 2012 12:35:52 Ally Biggs wrote:
 Sent from my iPhone

I know that that imposes certain limitations, and am not sure what they are, 
but would it be possible for you to break your text up a bit?  I made the 
effort to read it, but it was an effort, and I would greatly appreciate some 
more air in your offerings. :-(

(I am talking about physically difficult to read, not difficult to understand 
when once read.)

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Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general chit chat

2012-03-25 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 25 March 2012 16:36:23 Bryn wrote:
  Why is your company's policy this??? dban'll wipe a disk. an old
 phone can be reset. WEEE by any chance?

That, and the horror stories they have heard.

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Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general chit chat

2012-03-25 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 25 March 2012 17:22:45 Bryn wrote:
 Yeah there's a note on my todo list about writing a data destruction
 policy!!! AFAIK dban works and has been certified by someone or other
 cleverer than me.

 I believe Jamies use a paid for tool (paid per use not by single
 licence!!!) as part of an agreement with a supplier of PC's to them.

There are those who believe that it is virtually impossible to ensure that 
data on an HDD is unretrievable, no matter what you throw at it, how much you 
are willing to spend on it or how much trouble you are prepared to go to.  
Some people believe that simple destruction (say with the help of a large 
hammer and strong magnet) is enough, but Hugo Mills once said that the only 
way to be absolutely sure that the data on an HDD is utterly unretrievable is 
to melt the disk in the centre of a very hot furnace.  He said the 
temperature that he believed necessary to be absolutely sure, but I'm afraid 
that I can't remember it.

Most data is clearly not worth that amount of trouble.  But if you were afraid 
that the Nazi war machine could use the data on the drive to drop an atom 
bomb on your population, what would it be worth then?

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Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general chit chat

2012-03-24 Thread hantslug
Hi Bryn,

As others have said, welcome to the list!

On Saturday 24 March 2012 08:31:16 Sean Gibbins wrote:
 Not that it will necessarily present a problem, but just that you may
 find yourself in competition with them for donated kit. On the other
 hand you may find them to be a useful resource for cheap spares if and
 when donations fail to come up with a component you need.

May I join this party?  I too am hoping to be in competition since I am on the 
verge (I hope!) of running something similar for/with Havant Transitions 
Network (the Transitions Network is a national (in theory, anyhow) green 
initiative).  
quote me to them
 I have just done the survey and have been thinking.  Could one have an 
 initiative of: Thinking of binning your old, outdated, slow computer?  Come 
 along to insert place and time and we shall show you how to give it a new 
 lease of life.  And also offer refurbished computers for next to nothing to 
 e.g. OAPs, school children on benefits etc.  Let's keep computers out of 
 landfill!
/quote

Broken legs are no fun.  I hope that you are young enough for it to heal 
properly.  You sound it, at least!

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general chit chat

2012-03-24 Thread hantslug
On Saturday 24 March 2012 21:25:57 Bryn Jones wrote:
 seems
 to be using volunteers to refurb machines they'd been given free to sell
 at inflated prices

Last time I read the emails they used to send me, they were charging to accept 
the donated gear, and were acceepting only stuff that I find it hard to 
imagine anyone getting rid of.  Yes, I fear that I grew disillusioned with 
Jamie's a while ago.  It was super at first!!

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Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general chit chat

2012-03-24 Thread hantslug
On Saturday 24 March 2012 22:09:47 Ally Biggs wrote:
 It is my intention to setup a inventory of the kit we have at Jamies,
 especially the server / side of things previously this has been overlooked
 I was told there wasn't a market for this type of hardware not naming any
 names here we all know that was a ridiculous comment.

It has not always been overlooked.  One used to be able to have a look at what 
was there and could get almost anything - it was especially good for server 
bits at one stage.

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Re: [Hampshire] Adobe Flash

2012-02-22 Thread hantslug
On Wednesday 22 February 2012 14:28:08 Daniel Llewellyn wrote:
 What is your take on this development? will anyone be converting to
 Chrome from another browser because of this? it is a good/bad thing?

I shan't convert.  I don't much like Chrome.  But I shall probably run it for 
news items etc. :-(  That is, if I can.  I am still running Lenny - it's a 
long story - and Google, bless it, has disabled the copy of Chrome I already 
had on the grounds that it is too old, and will not allow me to install 
anything on Lenny (too old).

What about Chromium?

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Re: [Hampshire] Hampshire Digest, Vol 64, Issue 9

2012-02-11 Thread hantslug
On Saturday 11 February 2012 14:38:31 Stephen Davies wrote:
 This one is currently at the top of my list
 http://www.lambda-tek.com/A034022-Konica-Minolta-Magicolor-1650EN-Colour-La
ser-A4-Colour-Laser-20ppm-Mono-5ppm-Colour-600-dpi-x-600-dpi-256-MB-Internal
-Memory-1-Year-~cs/B209522viewSpec=y#productTop £91.80 inc VAT at the
 moment.

Nice machine.  Pity it is so heavy. :-(  (But colour lasers ususally are.)

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Re: [Hampshire] simh - problem with libpcap.a

2012-02-11 Thread hantslug
On Saturday 11 February 2012 22:27:34 Andy Smith wrote:
 Hi Rob,

 On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 05:54:57PM -, Rob Malpass wrote:
  I've gone into synaptic and installed everything I can see for libpcap
  but the file still hasn't appeared.   This is the right procedure isn't
  it? What should my next move be?   I've never understood libraries and
  dependencies on Linux - that's why I switched from Slackware to Ubuntu a
  few years back.   There is a simh package in synaptic but this hasn't
  installed the file either.

 On Debian:

 $ apt-file search libpcap.a
 libpcap0.8-dev: /usr/lib/libpcap.a

Simpler (also on Debian):

lisi@Junior:~$ aptitude search simh
p   simh - Emulators for 33 different 
computers
lisi@Junior:~$

Lisi


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Re: [Hampshire] Network laser printer recommendations

2012-02-09 Thread hantslug
On Thursday 09 February 2012 22:26:33 Peter Collins wrote:
 Just as a vote for HP, I have a HP 2840 (big and colour) it worked with
 no messing around, if I remember right Ubuntu 10.10 and debian 6 just
 scanned the network found it and made it available, I have also an old
 HP 2100 with a Jet Direct that worked well, much the same if I remember
 right - certainly didn't have to mess about.

I have a Samsung ML1510.  It works otb, as have other Samsung MLs that I have 
installed for other people.  It is bw and has quite a small footprint.  Mine 
is not a networked one, but if it is connected to one of the computers on my 
small network, CUPS picks it up and can print to it.  It does, of course, 
have to be plugged in to a computer which is switched on.

I think that the latest Samsung ML printer has a networked version.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Novatech - Ubuntu good news?

2012-01-16 Thread hantslug
On Monday 16 January 2012 16:34:05 Stephen Davies wrote:
 I've always found the staff at Novatech very techincally aware.

And very helpful.  In addition, I have several times had helpful advice about 
Linux; and Linux using Novatech staff sometimes showed up on the Linux 
Novatech forum.  (Probably still do - I haven't used it recently myself.)

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.

2012-01-14 Thread hantslug
On Saturday 14 January 2012 18:46:37 Sean Gibbins wrote:
 On 14/01/12 18:35, Keith Edmunds wrote:
  On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:34:51 +, pet...@gmail.com said:
  It was late.  Give me a break!  Had enuf that night to sink a boat.
 
  I enjoy a drink as much as most other people, but I take responsibility
  for my actions. You, on the other hand, are asking others to make
  allowances for the fact that you were (presumably) under the influence of
  alcohol.
 
  What you should have written was: I'm very sorry if I offended anyone
  with my recent postings. It won't happen again.

 Utter bollocks maybe Keith, but hardly offensive.

 And, even if it was to some, they could have switched off or simply
 tuned to another channel, so to speak.

 Sean

I was minorly upset at being told to give him a break, on the grounds that he 
was drunk and therefore deserved sympathy.

But as you say, the remedy is in my own hands.  I have survived for well over 
half a century without ever giving someone a break because he or she was 
drunk.  I can continue to survive.  I can simply ignore Peter B.'s existence, 
and he can ignore mine.  That way we should both be happy.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] VDSL equipment

2012-01-01 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 01 January 2012 16:15:39 Stephen Davies wrote:
 I've certainly not regretted upgrading to FTTC.

Some of us haven't got the option. :-(  And there are no plans at present to 
bring us either 20N or cable.

Still, there are htose who can only get dial-up speeds.  At least we get 8meg.

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread hantslug
On Thursday 22 December 2011 23:11:04 Jim Kissel wrote:
 hants...@googlemail.com wrote:
  On Thursday 22 December 2011 21:28:15 Keith Edmunds wrote:
  Right or
  wrong, justified or not, that's reality.
 
  Speaking personally, that jars considerably less than modern
  teenager-speak for contact lenses.
 
  To me, a contact is either a person with whom I in contact, or a person
  with whom I wish to be in contact, or something that enables electrically
  charged wires to meet and communicate.  To my granddaughter it is a
  miniature spectacle lens that you wear in your eye

 I've worn  contacts since the late 70's.  Maybe I'm younger in heart
 than my 63 years would indicate.  ;-)

Or maybe you are from the other side of the pond? ;-)

Lisi



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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread hantslug
On Friday 23 December 2011 11:12:10 Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote:
 On my recent birthday, I rejoiced at being told that I'm only 21 Celsius!

Sorry to be dim, Chris, but are you saying that 21 Celsius is the same thing 
as 70 Fahrenheit?  Getting that far has taken me a mere 7 hours!  Yes, I 
suppose you are.  But that took arithmetic.  21 Celsius makes sense.  Many 
people, I know, use Fahrenheit.  But does it make sense to anybody?? :-/

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread hantslug
On Friday 23 December 2011 19:53:35 Jack Knight wrote:
 On 23 December 2011 17:46, hants...@googlemail.com wrote:
  On Friday 23 December 2011 11:12:10 Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote:
   On my recent birthday, I rejoiced at being told that I'm only 21
   Celsius!
 
  Sorry to be dim, Chris, but are you saying that 21 Celsius is the same
  thing
  as 70 Fahrenheit?  Getting that far has taken me a mere 7 hours!  Yes, I
  suppose you are.  But that took arithmetic.  21 Celsius makes sense. 
  Many people, I know, use Fahrenheit.  But does it make sense to anybody??
  :-/
 
  Lisi
 
  I hate to say this, but maybe  LMGTFY ?

I did.

 actually - save the journey:

 21 Degrees Celsius × 9 ÷ 5 + 32 = Degrees Fahrenheit (69.8°F)


 7 hours?

7 hours to realise that that was what he was on about.  I did the arithmetic 
in my head at the point when I realised it.  I just don't think in 
Fahrenheit, which is why I couldn't make out what a moderate temperature had 
to do with his age.

 7 seconds - and I'm 34 - sorry, I really should say 0x34 ;^)=

Yes, but you knew what he meant.  Transferring Centigrade to Fahrenheit, and 
vice versa, is easy, a mere matter of arithmetic.  Knowing that that is what 
is needed is quite another matter, and I didn't get the joke.  I neither 
think in nor understand Fahrenheit except for the human body temperature, and 
I had to learn that to be able to read a thermometer when in this country.

References were made to a certain age.  I am 45 (hex).  And I can't think 
in, and do not think of, Fahrenheit.  It makes no sense at all to me, where 
Centigrade is logical and comprehensible.  The important thing in this isn't 
so much how long you have lived, as where you have done that living.

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers,

2011-12-23 Thread hantslug
On Friday 23 December 2011 18:58:46 Mike Austin wrote:
 Fortunately the several members of this LUG who have already joined
 understand my intent.

I'm sure that everyone did.  Pedantry is just that, but most pedants know 
perfectly well what other people actually mean.  And it is sometimes 
possible - and very gratifying - to turn the tables on a pedant.  But you 
probably need to be a pedant yourself to do that successfully!!

For better or for worse, people use Linux to mean a whole distribution.  One 
cannot hold back the tide of linguistic shift.  One may, if one wishes, 
deride it - but one cannot hold it back.

Oh - and there are also Linux Questions, Linux Magazine, Linux User Groups 
etc.  You are in good company.

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-22 Thread hantslug
On Thursday 22 December 2011 21:28:15 Keith Edmunds wrote:
 Right or
 wrong, justified or not, that's reality.

Speaking personally, that jars considerably less than modern teenager-speak 
for contact lenses.  

To me, a contact is either a person with whom I in contact, or a person with 
whom I wish to be in contact, or something that enables electrically charged 
wires to meet and communicate.  To my granddaughter it is a miniature 
spectacle lens that you wear in your eye.

Even the Académie Francaise is in the process of not being able to hold the 
breach.

And don't get me started on monstrosities like television and beefburger.

C'est la vie.  Language is a living entity.  I am just in the process of 
reading Chaucer - in translation.  I can't understand a large part of the 
original: yet his English is the ancestor of ours.  Language changes with 
time and space.  It is not immutable.  That is what makes it so interesting.

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Idiots guide to Ethernet Switch failover needed.

2011-12-20 Thread hantslug
On Tuesday 20 December 2011 15:03:00 Paul Stimpson wrote:
 The problem is, if I fail to get the concept across correctly, actual
 lives might be lost!!!  (It is going to be used in a safety related
 communications system)
 It is the job of the other person to decide if equipment X is good
 enough for the job or not from a safety perspective.

 I wouldn't try to explain the technicalities.

+1  My immediate reaction too.  

This is something I have tried to explain to experts in the past. For example,  
when a new computer system was put in in a factory where I worked, the 
computer chap given the job was given me by the production manager as 
a helper to make sure that the system would actually work.  

The first production level clerk the computer bod approached, nearly had a 
heart attack on the spot when he explained in detail what was going on.  I 
drew him aside and suggested that it would be better if he just told her what 
to do.  He tried again.  I watched an incipient nervous breakdown join an 
incipient heart attack, and intervened.  I told her what to do, and peace 
reigned again.

All most people want to know is what to do, and perhaps what will happen if 
they don't.  Explanation merely muddies the waters.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux printer recommendations.

2011-12-17 Thread hantslug
On Saturday 17 December 2011 16:11:41 Anton Piatek wrote:
 I have an oldish Samsung bw laser, but it was trivial to make work in
 linux.

+1

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Re: [Hampshire] Debian 3.0 kernel help

2011-12-16 Thread hantslug
On Friday 16 December 2011 15:33:54 Bob Dunlop wrote:
 Is there a way to upgrade a single package?  On Gentoo this is trivially
 easy.

Have you tried Squeeze backports, Bob?

http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/

It works great for any packages that are there.  I did search for a 3.x 
kernel, using various terms and couldn't find one.  If the kernel you want is 
in Wheezy, I am surprised if it is not in backports and my search abilitites 
fade with my eyesight.

But you can, by pinning, use just named packages form Wheezy.  I have not 
tried this and can therefore not tell you how, but it seems to be eminently 
doable by the competant!

The Debian users list would be a good place to ask.  There are some real 
experts on pinning there.  But tell them what you want to achieve.  There may 
be a more debianised way of doing it.

http://lists.debian.org/

HTH
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Re: [Hampshire] power problem

2011-12-06 Thread hantslug
On Tuesday 06 December 2011 10:06:09 Owain Clarke wrote:
  It's not a fortune, but it's too much to spend only to
 find out it's something else

That is what happened to me.  Now I don't know whether I was sent a dud 
replacement or it is somerthing else that is wrong. :-(

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Re: [Hampshire] Changing from TalkTalk

2011-12-01 Thread hantslug
On Thursday 01 December 2011 20:19:12 James Bensley wrote:
 Get a clue-full LLU package supplier and you should be sorted IMO.

Only if he is on an LLU exhange.  Many of us are not.

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Re: [Hampshire] Changing from TalkTalk

2011-12-01 Thread hantslug
On Thursday 01 December 2011 21:14:39 Vic wrote:
   - threaten to sue their ass, mention the name of a good solicitor.

 I have a maxim by which I stick: never threaten to sue unless you really
 intend to.

 Aside from it almost always being a clear sign of someone with no legal
 representation, it also means you've misunderstood the first rule of
 courts: the lawyers are the only ones who win. If you go to court, you
 will lose. It only makes sense if you end up losing less than you would
 have done otherwise.

 As I've heard elsewhere, a good lawyer can help you win in court. A great
 lawyer will keep you out of the court altogether.

 If you do end up on the litigation path, I've found the Small Claims Court
 to be most effective. And if you do end up in front of a judge, make sure
 you've got all your data readily to hand[1].

The real small claims court no longer exists.  You have to go down the full 
application path and persuade the Judge when you go for directions that you 
should be assigned to the small claims track.  And some of the civil 
procedure rules apply to such applications, when previously they did not 
apply in the small claims court, to which you could apply directly.

It isn't just that a lawyer will almost always beat an LIP (Litigant In 
Person), a person of higher rank will almost always beat a person of lower 
rank, no matter what the case is.  It isn't what is said that matters, it is 
who said it.

The ranks, starting at the bottom, are:
1) LIP
2) Junior (barrister who has not taken silk)  (Translating: who has not been 
elevated to the rank of QC (Queen's Counsel))
3) QC
4) QC regarded as superior (for any reason) by his fellow QCs and the Judge.

I learnt this the hard way, appearing in the High Court as an LIP for three 
years.  It has left me with a much better knowledge of the law and its 
procedures than I would wish to have. :-(  

I echo Vic's warnings.  They may call your bluff.  So don't bluff.  And 
remember that litigation is a very, very expensive process.  That £10,000.00 
legal cover that house insurers often package in with house insurance would 
barely get you as far as the courtroom door.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Changing from TalkTalk

2011-12-01 Thread hantslug
On Thursday 01 December 2011 21:56:48 Vic wrote:
 My personal experience - which lacks statistical significance, naturally -
 is that it isn't so much the *rank* of a person that matters so much as
 the need to abide by assorted rules and procedures. Those of us of a lower
 rank tend to find these things out the hard way...

Believe me that three years in the High Court not only taught me the procedure 
rules, I learnt how to use them.  Everyone in the courtroom knew the relevant 
parts of the Civil Procedure rules and followed the Civil Procedure Rules.  
We (the LIPs) knew quite lot more than the judges about what was the 
procedure for an LIP, nd asked us!

But on that occasion ( or rather, More accurately, those occasions) it was 
certainly a matter of rank.

  They may call your bluff.  So don't bluff.

 Royal Mail tried to call my bluff. I wasn't bluffing :-) They sent me an
 inch of A4 with all sorts of counter-claims to try to scare me off. 

That is a legal habit based on when clerks and solicitors were paid by the 
word.

 That 
 failed; cashing their cheque was one of the most satisfying moments I've
 ever had :-)

:-))

Lisi



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Re: [Hampshire] [Highly OT]: I'm looking for some skills...

2011-11-28 Thread hantslug
On Monday 28 November 2011 21:34:28 Vic wrote:
 I need someone with some paper accreditations from some of the following
 organisations :-

        Cisco

I have a piece of paper from Cisco, if I can find it.  It is of no practical 
use whatsoever, but it does (or anyhow did) exist.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] [ADMIN] Meeting reminder and AGM Information

2011-11-27 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 27 November 2011 17:09:08 Hants LUG Chairman wrote:
 Can I also call for someone who will attend but is NOT standing for a
 position to act as returning officer. You lose your vote, cannot second any
 candidate and must have been a member for at least the past two years.

I'm game, but I haven't been attending much recently, so may not be eligible.

Lisi

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[Hampshire] constantly flickering LEDs on router

2009-05-17 Thread hantslug
I have had this problem since yesterday evening. 

When my main desktop is connected to the router

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[Hampshire] constantly flickering LEDs on router, second try.

2009-05-17 Thread hantslug
Sorry, everybody.  Shouldn't have explored while I had an email on the go. :-(

I have had this problem since yesterday evening. 

When my main desktop is connected to the router the light on the port to which 
it is connected flickers constantly.  I have tried it on 3 of the 4 ports.  I 
do not have this problem with any of the other computers that are attached.  
Simultaneously the Internet connected led flashes.  Initially the IDE HDD light 
flashed as well, but that appears to have stopped.

I have tried:
Three of the ports on the router.
two different network cards (the computer has two)
run rkhunter
a live CD

The first two of those made no difference.  Rkhunter found, so it said, a 
Trojan 
in inetd.  So far I have done nothing with that information other than worry.  
The last, when I finally found a live CD that was prepared to talk to my 
hardware (Puppy 4.1.2 - Knoppix 6 was sadly a no go :-(  ) was rock solid.  I 
tried to use it a fair bit, then just left it, and it stayed rock solid for 
about two hours.

I have googled both about the problem and about the rkhunter result.  I do not 
know how much credence I should give the result, and if Puppy has rkhunter in 
its toolkit I may run it on the system from there.

As to the problem, other possible causes I found were PSU and RAM.  I have a 
PC/SPS Tester, but am a bit scared to use it after all the warnings on the 
net!  I shall probably run Memtest overnight.

TIA
Lisi

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[Hampshire] constantly flickering LEDs on router

2009-05-17 Thread hantslug
Please tell us a bit about the machine. OS and version. What software you have 
running.

Do you have bittorrent?

-

Sorry - I ought to have said those.  They are not even in the real email I 
sent after my slip.

Answers: I have ktorrent. 
Konqueror, Iceweasel, Kmail were running.  
OS Lenny.  
Sorry about the broken threading.  I am having to juggle between GMail and 
KMail in order to get the right sender's address on here.

Will now reboot and check again for KTorrent via ps.  Thanks for reminding me.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] constantly flickering LEDs on router: Solved - amid blushes

2009-05-17 Thread hantslug
Found this had gone from a dummy address and that is why it hadn't arrived - 
sorry, Paul. 

On Sunday 17 May 2009 20:14:31 you wrote:
 Please tell us a bit about the machine. OS and version. What software you
 have running.

 Do you have bittorrent?

 -

 Sorry - I ought to have said those.  They are not even in the real email
 I sent after my slip.

 Answers: I have ktorrent.
 Konqueror, Iceweasel, KMail were running.
 OS Lenny.
 Sorry about the broken threading.  I am having to juggle between GMail and
 KMail in order to get the right sender's address on here.

 Will now reboot and check again for KTorrent via ps.  Thanks for reminding
 me.

Paul - you are a genius and I am an idiot.  ps -A | grep ktorrent followed by 
kill seems to have cured the problem.

Very grateful thanks,
Lisi


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