Doyle Banks/Mainline on vacation until 10/30.

2006-10-27 Thread Doyle Banks
I will be out of the office starting  10/26/2006 and will not return until
10/30/2006.

I will be away until 10/30. If you need immediate assistance, please
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Re: ABEND - S322

2006-10-27 Thread esmie moo
The total cpu was 104.57.  I used the parm TIME=NOLIMIT and that did the trick.
   
  Thanks for all for your help.  When I have a chance I will check the 
flowerbox suggestion.

Schwarz, Barry A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  When the job abends, how much CPU and wall clock time was actually
consumed?

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The job is only one step. I have the Time parm specified on the EXEC
only. I will code the time parm in the job card as well. Regarding
exits I wouldn't know how to find that out. 

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DASD STATUS - F-NRD

2006-10-27 Thread John Dawes
Hallo To all,
   
  I put a dasd address offline.  But when I display the status it shows the 
following:
   
  D U,,,933E,1  
IEE457I 06.55.23 UNIT STATUS 109  
UNIT TYPE STATUSVOLSER VOLSTATE   
933E 3390 F-NRD/RSDNT 

  The explanation for F says that the device is offline, however, when I look 
at the NRD explanation it says that the device is not ready, which I am not 
sure what it implies .  My question is the drive offline and safe to initialize 
or do I have check something else?
   
  Thanks

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RES: Apology

2006-10-27 Thread Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
Was there that the plane of LOST cashed ?


Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos

Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
Banco Bradesco S/A
4254/DPCD Alphaville
Suporte Técnico - Software Básico Mainframes
Tel: 55 11 4197-2021   Fax: 55 11 4197-2814



-Mensagem original-
De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome
de Eric N. Bielefeld
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 26 de outubro de 2006 17:13
Para: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Assunto: Re: Apology


Someone just sent me the following link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy

I had no part in it!

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee Wisconsin
414-475-7434

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Re: DASD STATUS - F-NRD

2006-10-27 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Is the drive offline, F-NRD on all LPARs? If yes, you're ready to init the 
volume.



From: John Dawes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 10/27/2006 7:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: DASD STATUS - F-NRD



Hallo To all,
  
  I put a dasd address offline.  But when I display the status it shows the 
following:
  
  D U,,,933E,1 
IEE457I 06.55.23 UNIT STATUS 109 
UNIT TYPE STATUSVOLSER VOLSTATE  
933E 3390 F-NRD/RSDNT

  The explanation for F says that the device is offline, however, when I look 
at the NRD explanation it says that the device is not ready, which I am not 
sure what it implies .  My question is the drive offline and safe to initialize 
or do I have check something else?
  
  Thanks

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Re: Question on the load list

2006-10-27 Thread Peter Relson
I am afraid that we have now devolved to semantics.

I did not say you could not write a program that was refreshable but
modified itself. I said that you could not write one if you intended that
what you changed actually took affect.

If your design is that a program when refreshed reverts to its original
behavior, that might not be thought of as a great design, even if the
ramifications of reverting might be tiny..

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology

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Bielefeld

2006-10-27 Thread Phil Payne
It's still Friday.

I've been there several times on business.  It's a very pleasant _FLAT_ town in 
the middle of
the northwest _FLAT_ German plain.  Kneel down on the main street and you can 
see the
curvature of the earth.

Bielefeld famous for three things?  Here's my list:

1) Fights between British servicemen stationed in the massive base nearby.
2) Furniture carcasses - the bare bones of fitted kitchens and bathrooms.
3) A thriving healthcare industry.

As always, there's a story.  I had a meeting there (a sales opportunity against 
a 3081D -
furniture carcasses) and left with a large sales team.  I insisted on a debrief 
session while
the iron was still hot, and we found a Kneipe on the main drag.  Good people, 
good food,
good beer, good debrief and we left for the weekend in good humour.  As we 
left, I called in
what some would call the restroom and others would call the bog.

I've never seen anything like it before or since.  Two huge chrome handrails 
either side of
what looked like a modified urinal - larger, and further up the wall.  I'm told 
the Aussies
have something similar - a professional chundering place.

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Re: DASD STATUS - F-NRD

2006-10-27 Thread John Dawes
Yes,  it shows the status (F-NRD) on the 3 lpars.  What concerns me is that 
doesn't show the desired OFFLINE status.  

O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Is the drive 
offline, F-NRD on all LPARs? If yes, you're ready to init the volume.



From: John Dawes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 10/27/2006 7:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: DASD STATUS - F-NRD



Hallo To all,

I put a dasd address offline. But when I display the status it shows the 
following:

D U,,,933E,1 
IEE457I 06.55.23 UNIT STATUS 109 
UNIT TYPE STATUS VOLSER VOLSTATE 
933E 3390 F-NRD /RSDNT

The explanation for F says that the device is offline, however, when I look at 
the NRD explanation it says that the device is not ready, which I am not sure 
what it implies . My question is the drive offline and safe to initialize or do 
I have check something else?

Thanks

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Re: DASD STATUS - F-NRD

2006-10-27 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
As you stated earlier, 'explanation for F says that the device is offline'. 
What more do you want?



From: John Dawes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 10/27/2006 8:06 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: DASD STATUS - F-NRD



Yes,  it shows the status (F-NRD) on the 3 lpars.  What concerns me is that 
doesn't show the desired OFFLINE status. 

O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Is the drive 
offline, F-NRD on all LPARs? If yes, you're ready to init the volume.



From: John Dawes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 10/27/2006 7:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: DASD STATUS - F-NRD



Hallo To all,

I put a dasd address offline. But when I display the status it shows the 
following:

D U,,,933E,1
IEE457I 06.55.23 UNIT STATUS 109
UNIT TYPE STATUS VOLSER VOLSTATE
933E 3390 F-NRD /RSDNT

The explanation for F says that the device is offline, however, when I look at 
the NRD explanation it says that the device is not ready, which I am not sure 
what it implies . My question is the drive offline and safe to initialize or do 
I have check something else?

Thanks

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Re: DASD STATUS - F-NRD

2006-10-27 Thread John Kington
John,
David is correct. You can initialize the volume. The F-NRD is the status
that I normally see.
Regards,
John

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Re: Apology

2006-10-27 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric N. Bielefeld
 
 Someone just sent me the following link.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy
 
 I had no part in it!

Wow!  An Area 51 in Deutschland!

So, what planet are you really from??  :-D

-jc-

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VTAM and GCN

2006-10-27 Thread Dave Kutz
I am not sure if this list supports VTAM questions or not. If not, please 
ignore and sorry.

But if it does, I am trying to setup a Global Connection Network across an 
EE-EE connection with a distant network.
The distant side when they do a D NET,APING to my VTAM, they are able to 
attempt to create a dynamic PU based on following messages. 
IST1576I DYNAMIC SWITCHED MAJOR NODE ISTDSWMN CREATED
They see messages with the CNV.. PU also.

But when I do an APING back to their VTAM, I don't see any messages about 
creating this CNV... dynamic PU.

I verified my VTAM XCA and SWMN with IBM, but they don't see anything 
incorrect.

I was wondering if someone that has setup a GCN could provide some insight 
where to look. I'm not even sure if the problem is my VTAM, the remote 
VTAM, or the network in between that we both connect to in order to reach 
each other.


Dave Kutz

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Re: Apology

2006-10-27 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:26:11 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


So, what planet are you really from??  :-D

He already said that he's from the planet Milwaukee.

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Re: List of standard IBM SVC numbers, please

2006-10-27 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
True, but you need the BLDL/FIND if you want the *name* of the module
that is loaded with DE=. 
Jan is looking for loading of specific module I understand.

I am indeed looking for names.

Jantje.

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Re: Java/LE Tuning Advice sought

2006-10-27 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Klein
 
 all snipped
 
 John,
   Did ;you ever reply to my suggestion of calling CEE3DMP 
 (with STORAGE set
 - NOSTORAGE is the default) from within your Java program?  
 It would seem to me to be the best/easiest way to get a 
 storage report - even if you are having problems getting your 
 application to terminate normally.

Unfortunately, no.  I've not yet asked the vendor where the source code
is, or if we even have access to it.  Then there would be the small
matter of learning enough about coding Java to determine where in the
code to place the call

-jc-

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Re: Question on the load list

2006-10-27 Thread Craddock, Chris
 I'm running behind so someone may have already mentioned this, but
Shmuel
 gave a sample of a refreshable but non-reentrant code.  The code did
not
 modify itself; it modified something else sacred - the CVT as I
recall.
 The code could be refreshed at any time without altering its behavior,
but
 in order to be reentrant/reenterable (in it's prior meaning) the code
had
 to include serialization.

I don't think he did. If you widen the definition of reentrant to
include all external data then all bets are off. I would argue that such
a program is just badly designed no matter what purported attributes it
has. The system provides well-behaved mechanisms for well-behaved
programs. It is a bit much to expect miracles when the program violates
serialization rules.

CC

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Re: DASD STATUS - F-NRD

2006-10-27 Thread John Dawes
I am just trying to understand why the NRD is displayed.  When I look at other 
devices the status is OFFLINE.  My concern is why the status doesn't go to 
OFFLINE instead of staying at F-NRD.

O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  As you stated 
earlier, 'explanation for F says that the device is offline'. What more do you 
want?



From: John Dawes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 10/27/2006 8:06 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: DASD STATUS - F-NRD



Yes, it shows the status (F-NRD) on the 3 lpars. What concerns me is that 
doesn't show the desired OFFLINE status. 

O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] wrote: Is the drive offline, F-NRD on all 
LPARs? If yes, you're ready to init the volume.



From: John Dawes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 10/27/2006 7:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: DASD STATUS - F-NRD



Hallo To all,

I put a dasd address offline. But when I display the status it shows the 
following:

D U,,,933E,1
IEE457I 06.55.23 UNIT STATUS 109
UNIT TYPE STATUS VOLSER VOLSTATE
933E 3390 F-NRD /RSDNT

The explanation for F says that the device is offline, however, when I look at 
the NRD explanation it says that the device is not ready, which I am not sure 
what it implies . My question is the drive offline and safe to initialize or do 
I have check something else?

Thanks

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Re: IEAMSCHD SRB Excessive delay

2006-10-27 Thread Dave Stedman
I don't know whether ASCB in ASCBDSP1 had marked the address space as 
non-dispatchable. It was a CICS region. What may cause this bit to be set 
on?

Thanks,
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Re: Receive Order Error

2006-10-27 Thread Dick Renneke
The other message that we see are -

CY1178 ftpStart: client operating in IPv4 only mode
CZ0251 ftpOpen: entered
SC0432 initConnection: entered
SC0508 initConnection: Calling getaddrinfo() with inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com
SC0517 initConnection: getaddrinfo() resptr 0 rc 1/EDC9501I The name does
not re
solve for the supplied parameters. (errno2=0x112B)
Unknown host: inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com

We thought that the error was related to our FIREWALL so we added a
FIREWALL statement.
It did not help.   We are not sure if our FIREWALL statement is correct.

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Re: Mainframe still user surly, File-aid and Endevor aroused my ire.

2006-10-27 Thread Mueller, David
Clark Morris said about Endevor program listings:
. . .
Underneath the covers they convert this so they can show you the listing
they have stuffed in what appears to be a VSAM data set.
. . .

What you said about Endevor and program compile listing is generally
true.  But, the use of a VSAM file (an E-lib) is a local choice.
Endevor supports Librarian and Pan-valet libraries, their own
proprietary 'E-lib', and PDSs.  We opted to use PDSs for all our output
libraries and source libraries.  For the compile / link-edit SYSPRINT
listings, you still have to go through the 'L' method Clark described
because the PDS is VBA and the lines are compressed.  But our developers
can look at programs and other source code directly without having to go
through Endevor, since the code is stored in PDSs with no compression or
member name encryption.

David Mueller - ST of Florida  

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Re: DASD STATUS - F-NRD

2006-10-27 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 10/27/2006 8:22:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

am just  trying to understand why the NRD is displayed.  When I look at other 
 devices the status is OFFLINE.  My concern is why the status doesn't go  to 
OFFLINE instead of staying at F-NRD.




It needs to be INIT'd so it can be OFFLINE (and  READY). 

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Re: DASD STATUS - F-NRD

2006-10-27 Thread Lizette Koehler
Here is my 2 cents worth.

The only issue here is whether or not the device is offline.  If there is an
F it is offline.  I believe the NRD is a throw back to the old days when you
could flip a switch that would READY or NOT READY the physical drive.  That
is no longer valid with RAID, Shark and others of this ilk.

There are times when you will really see OFFLINE and other times you will
see F-NRD.  Both are acceptable to indicate a device is Offline.  

If I am wrong, please feel free to correct - especially you dinos out there.

Is the NRD a throwback or some other indicator. 

Lizette

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Re: Mainframe still user surly, File-aid and Endevor aroused my ire.

2006-10-27 Thread Low, David
 Endevor, the premier change management system keeps the 
 listings from program compiles but doesn't provide a way to 
 display them from the display elements list where you can 
 find other information about your program.  Instead the 
 designers decided you should use the L option of display 
 footprint and key in the obscure data set name of the listing 
 file at the level your program is at with the name of the 
 program as a member name.  Underneath the covers they convert 
 this so they can show you the listing they have stuffed in 
 what appears to be a VSAM data set.  The help doesn't even 
 tell you how to display a program listing.

We created a clist tso proc to print the listing into a temp dataset and
ISPEXEC BROWSE it.  Very simple to code.  Let me know if you want more
details.

Dave Low

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Re: DASD STATUS - F-NRD

2006-10-27 Thread John Dawes
Thanks Lizette for your explanation.  I am now at ease.  Your 2 cents is 
greatly appreciated.  Thanks to all who responded with their valuable advice.

Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Here is my 2 cents worth.

The only issue here is whether or not the device is offline. If there is an
F it is offline. I believe the NRD is a throw back to the old days when you
could flip a switch that would READY or NOT READY the physical drive. That
is no longer valid with RAID, Shark and others of this ilk.

There are times when you will really see OFFLINE and other times you will
see F-NRD. Both are acceptable to indicate a device is Offline. 

If I am wrong, please feel free to correct - especially you dinos out there.

Is the NRD a throwback or some other indicator. 

Lizette

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Re: Receive Order Error

2006-10-27 Thread Brian Peterson
Aha - that's the problem.  Make sure that batch jobs such as your SMP/E 
RECEIVE command job include a valid DNS hierarchy.

As is often the case, there's a bunch of different ways to specify this, 
but one way, which I use on my system, is to code a SYSTCPD DD statement, 
pointing to a parameter file with the following statements:

NSINTERADDR  x.x.x.x
NSINTERADDR  y.y.y.y

You should be able to validate this by the following JCL:

//S1 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01
//SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSTCPD DD DSN=tcpip.data,DISP=SHR
//SYSTSIN DD *
 ping inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com
/*

If I run this job and omit the SYSTCPD, I get the following:

READY
 ping inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com   
EZZ3111I Unknown host 'INETSD01.BOULDER.IBM.COM' 
READY
END  

If I run this job with my valid SYSTCPD, I get the following:

READY  
 ping inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com 
CS V1R7: Pinging host INETSD01.BOULDER.IBM.COM (207.25.253.62) 
Ping #1 timed out  
READY  
END

That's why I think your problem is a bad SYSTCPD NSINTERADDR value.

Brian

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:36:00 -0500, Dick Renneke [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

The other message that we see are -

(snip)
SC0508 initConnection: Calling getaddrinfo() with inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com
SC0517 initConnection: getaddrinfo() resptr 0 rc 1/EDC9501I The name does
not re
solve for the supplied parameters. (errno2=0x112B)
Unknown host: inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com
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Re: Mainframe still user surly, File-aid and Endevor aroused my ire.

2006-10-27 Thread Galambos, Robert
 
Clark  

See below for answers to your issues.

 
Robert Galambos 

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I have just started at a new client in the application development and 
maintenance area and at the moment am in a mood of outrage at two of the 
vendors we love to hate.

SORRY TO HEAR THAT. IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU/WE 'LOVE TO HATE' COMPUWARE? 

  My greatest ire at the moment is aimed at Compuware and File-aid.  I have a 
multi-format record file so I am using the XREF capability to get formatted 
listings and compares.  The description for the detail doesn't have 4 filler 
bytes at the end (the detail description is actually the description of the DB2 
table entry, not the flat file detail with record code in front).  Listing is 
fine with the complaint about the missing 4 bytes.  However the [EMAIL 
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of the record on a mismatch with not way out of this that I can find.  I can 
see listing the last 4 bytes in hex but why are they so brain dead as to print 
the entire record?  

SORRY YOU FEEL THAT WAY. IN ANY TIME A VENDOR, NOT ONLY COMPUWARE, TRY TO 
ENHANCE THEIR PRODUCTS, DEVELOPERS, PRODUCT MANAGEMENT ETC. GAGE THE NEEDS OF 
MARKET PLACE/CURRENT CLIENTS IN TERMS WHAT CAPABILITIES ARE 
NEEDED/WANTED/ENHANCED WITHIN THE TOOL/PRODUCT. LET ME ASSURE YOU, WE DON'T 
JUST PATCH SOMETHING TOGETHER JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS 'NICE'.

I want to use production descriptions, not something I cobble together.

WELL ACTUALLY YOU CAN CHOICE NOT TO PRINT THE WHOLE RECORD. ONE ONLY HAS TO 
TYPE 'Y' ON THE FIRST PANEL OF THE COMPARE FUNCTION ON THE 'PRINT OPTIONS'. YOU 
THEN WILL BE SHOWN TWO ADDITIONAL PANELS, WITH ONE OF THEM GIVING THE USER TO 
ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHICH RECORDS TO PRINT (MATCH, INSERTED, ETC.) AS WELL AS 
WHAT TO PRINT (FIELDS COMPARED, FIELDS DIFFER ETC.) THIS SHOULD ANSWER YOUR 
QUESTION I BELIEVE. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE AS WELL FOR PRINTING. 

...snip

In the case of file-aid it is at current release (8.9) and unless something is 
unusual Endevor is also current.

Of course unlike IBM, you have to log in to look at their manuals.

TRUE. BUT IF THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR HAS PAID MAINTENANCE, YOU NEED ONLY GET A 
USERID (AND ITS FREE) AND THE MANUALS OF ALL THE COMPUWARE PRODUCTS THAT ARE 
LICENSED AT YOUR ORGANIZATION ARE FREE TO BE D/L (AS WELL AS REPORTING 
QUESTION, LIKE YOURS, TO THE HOTLINE, AS WELL AS TIPS, PATCHES ETC.)

I AM SORRY YOU FEEL SO SLIGHTED HERE. I KNOW THAT COMPUWARE (AS WELL AS MYSELF) 
HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS THESE TYPE OF ISSUES AS QUICK AS WE CAN. THINGS THAT WE 
HAVE DONE INCLUDE, AS PART OF THE MAINTENANCE, IS TO HAVE A SUPPORT WEBSITE 
(FRONTLINE.COMPUWARE.COM) WHERE QUESTIONS CAN BE SUBMITTED AND ANSWERED. WE 
HAVE A 800 NUMBER HOTLINE(+1-800-538-7822) IN NORTH AMERICA (AS WELL AS OTHERS 
AROUND THE WORLD). WE HAVE, SPOTLIGHT SESSIONS ON THE WEB THAT HIGHLIGHT A 
CERTAIN CAPABILITY WITHIN ONE OF THE PRODUCTS (TO FIND OUT MORE GO THE 
FRONTLINE.COMPUWARE.COM TO REGISTER, OR D/L PREVIOUS SESSIONS) ETC. ETC.

IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS/COMPLAINTS FEEL FREE IN RESPONDING TO ME

Clark Morris cfmpublic at ns.sympatico.ca



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Re: DASD STATUS - F-NRD

2006-10-27 Thread R.S.

John Dawes wrote:

I am just trying to understand why the NRD is displayed.  When I look at
other devices the status is OFFLINE.  My concern is why the status
doesn't go to OFFLINE instead of staying at F-NRD.


In fact I don't remember. AFAIK the manual (message explanation) vaguely 
describes it is no difference for the user.

In other words - you can safely not to distinguish both states.

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Re: SHARE in Tampa Florida, February 11-16, 2007

2006-10-27 Thread Jon Brock
I think they should make a stripped down version and call it z/plain! z/plain!

Jon



snip
I have been hoping for a name change like z/MVS.
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Re: VTAM and GCN

2006-10-27 Thread Chris Mason
Dave

Comments are embedded.

Chris Mason

- Original Message - 
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Subject: VTAM and GCN


 I am not sure if this list supports VTAM questions or not. If not, please
 ignore and sorry.

If there is a comparable list that folk bother about which covers VTAM,
someone please let us all know.

It's my understanding that, as long as the topic has something to do with
IBM mainframes, then it may legitimately be aired here.

In something of an answer to my own implied question, there *is* another
list folk bother about which may be observed sometimes to cover VTAM, namely
and paradoxically IBMTCP-L. The reason is that the topic to be discussed is
Enterprise Extender, HPR over IP or IP-DLC and the problem may well be more
VTAM than IP - as I judge with this post, in fact.


 But if it does, I am trying to setup a Global Connection Network across an
 EE-EE connection with a distant network.
 The distant side when they do a D NET,APING to my VTAM, they are able to
 attempt to create a dynamic PU based on following messages.
 IST1576I DYNAMIC SWITCHED MAJOR NODE ISTDSWMN CREATED
 They see messages with the CNV.. PU also.

 But when I do an APING back to their VTAM, I don't see any messages about
 creating this CNV... dynamic PU.

 I verified my VTAM XCA and SWMN with IBM, but they don't see anything
 incorrect.

Unfortunately I don't have experience with a Global Connection Network (GCN)
(only possible with Enterprise Extender I believe) but let's clear the way
to the problem first.

Do the APINGs work? In other words are you worried about not seeing the
message IST1576I concerning the dynamic creation of the ISTDSWMN node or is
this perceived as a symptom of why the APING doesn't work?

I'll assume that the real problem is that the APINGs don't work. After all
you wouldn't have bothered IBM with the relatively trivial issue of a
message not appearing or, if you had, you would have had a nest of fleas in
your ear. g

The reason I expect to be able to help is that I know a bit about dynamic
so-called PUs. The ISTDSWMN major node is created whenever VTAM needs to
create the control blocks associated with a PU statement dynamically. This
can happen for a number of reasons and not just in the case of a GCN.

At this point I started to do a bit of research and from notes I made of a
thread EE Activation Steps earlier this year I see that you already use
Enterprise Extender with Extended Border Node (and you posted in the
IBMTCP-L list so you already know that Enterprise Extender problems - even
issues - tend to get aired there). This makes you already quite well
experienced in these more advanced VTAM configurations. Specifically I'd
expect you necessarily already to have an ISTDSWMN major node created. Does
such a name appear in a D NET,MAJNODES display?

Perhaps you could post the definitions associated with Enterprise Extender
from the two systems - disguising innocent names where necessary of course -
so that we are all better informed.

Having requested that, I remind myself that PU definitions need to be
created dynamically - which is what ISTDSWMN is all about - only where PU
definitions have not been created manually, this being a possible
explanation for the reported difference in behaviour in what are supposed to
be the partner systems.


 I was wondering if someone that has setup a GCN could provide some insight
 where to look. I'm not even sure if the problem is my VTAM, the remote
 VTAM, or the network in between that we both connect to in order to reach
 each other.

If the two Communications Server IP entities can communicate using the
original IP PING, then the problem cannot be in the IP network. This leaves
the Communications Server IP and SNA components or, more precisely, the
definitions relating to the Enterprise Extender pseudo-link. Incidentally,
don't forget to check any VTAM Start Options which may be providing
global - no connection to GCN (sorry for the totally unintended pun) -
parameters which affect the specific definitions.

I'll get this off now and continue with the research. Meantime perhaps
someone who's actually done a GCN may be able to help.



 Dave Kutz

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Re: SHARE in Tampa Florida, February 11-16, 2007

2006-10-27 Thread Chris Hoelscher
I think you are living on a fantasy island if you think that will ever 
happen .

Chris Hoelscher
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I think they should make a stripped down version and call it z/plain! 
z/plain!


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Re: SHARE in Tampa Florida, February 11-16, 2007

2006-10-27 Thread John P Kalinich
Jon Brock from the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
wrote on 10/27/2006 09:22:10 AM:

 I think they should make a stripped down version and call it
 z/plain! z/plain!

 snip
 I have been hoping for a name change like z/MVS.
 /snip


Or Big Oz as my SVS Systems Programming (ca. 1978) instructor Don Wallin
used to call it.

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Re: DUMPSPACE in Coupling Facility

2006-10-27 Thread Rebecca Martin
A nonvolatile CF will be given preference over a volatile CF by more than 
just the DB2 structures.  It dates back to when you had stand alone CFs 
with built-in battery backups.  Because most people do use UPS and the fact 
that the built in battery would not last nearly as long as your UPS power 
most people quit ordering the built-in backup battery/power source.  You 
can change the setting from the HMC buy selecting your CF imagine and going 
into OPERATING SYTEM MESSAGES.  The command is MODE NONVOLATILE and the 
expected response is CF01011 MODE IS NONVOLATILE.  There is also a command 
to display the mode from the HMC: D MODE.  Once you change the mode to be 
nonvolatile, it should retain that setting even over a POR but I have seen 
where some MCL upgrades would cause it to go back to the volatile setting 
so we always check after any MCL upgrade.  

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Re: SHARE in Tampa Florida, February 11-16, 2007

2006-10-27 Thread Ken Porowski
Probably end up with something like

IBM z/Server MVS OS for System z9 and eServer zSeries 


 snip
 I have been hoping for a name change like z/MVS.
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Re: SHARE in Tampa Florida, February 11-16, 2007

2006-10-27 Thread Jon Brock
No problem.  That can be shortened to IzMOfSzaez -- pronounced is-moff-says.

Actually, that might make a good password.

Jon
 

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Probably end up with something like

IBM z/Server MVS OS for System z9 and eServer zSeries 
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Re: Apology

2006-10-27 Thread Kirk Talman
Is that the Mars just north of Pittsburgh?

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 10/26/2006 
07:56:31 PM:

 Eric,

 So you are from MARS? :)

 Ed

 On Oct 26, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Eric N. Bielefeld wrote:

  Someone just sent me the following link.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy

  I had no part in it!

  Eric Bielefeld


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Re: Mainframe still user surly, File-aid and Endevor aroused my ire.

2006-10-27 Thread Chase, John
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 Clark  
 
 See below for answers to your issues.

And all your answers were typed in all uppercase, which in Internet
conversations is considered SHOUTING.  You didn't really mean to
SHOUT, did you?

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Re: IEAMSCHD SRB Excessive delay

2006-10-27 Thread Edward Jaffe

Dave Stedman wrote:
I don't know whether ASCB in ASCBDSP1 had marked the address space as 
non-dispatchable. It was a CICS region. What may cause this bit to be set 
on?
  


STATUS STOP,SRB

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FLASHCOPY TARGET VOLUMES

2006-10-27 Thread Mike . Visintin
We currently FLASHCOPY NON-SMS (Source) DASD volumes to NON-SMS (Target)
DASD volumes. Are there any issues in performing FLASHCOPY from SMS
(source) DASD volumes to NON-SMS (Target) DASD volumes.  Are there any
issues in the subsequent backup/restore process?   Can not find anything in
the manuals. Would like to know what other shops do.


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Re: SHARE in Tampa Florida, February 11-16, 2007

2006-10-27 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jon Brock
 
 I think they should make a stripped down version and call it 
 z/plain! z/plain!

Isn't that more-or-less what z/OS.e is intended to be?

-jc-

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Re: DASD STATUS - F-NRD

2006-10-27 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 10/27/2006 9:07:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The only issue here is whether or not the device is offline. If  there is an
F it is offline.
Correct.  The DISPLAY command was written decades ago when drives  could 
really be not ready, is attempting to display as much info as possible,  and 
uses 
the F as an abbreviation to allow room for more info, such as  NRD.  IBM 
apparently did not want to rewrite that part of the code just  because it was 
no 
longer possible for DASD drives to become not ready.   There is a large number 
of different reasons why IOS will not issue a  Start Subchannel instruction to 
a DASD, and not ready was one of them long ago  and in a galaxy far away.  
There is still a bit in the UCB for this  condition.  It does not occur on DASD 
anymore, but can occur on other  device types (tape drives, e.g., on which you 
can still mount a new  volume).
 
I believe the NRD is a throw back to the old days when  you
could flip a switch that would READY or NOT READY the physical  drive.
Correct.  There are probably still some DASD error recovery  situations in 
which IOS uses this bit as a quick and dirty way to render a  device 
unstartable.  There is also a bit in the IOSB that a caller of  STARTIO can 
turn on to 
tell IOS to do the SSCH even if the UCB says the device  is not ready.
 
If I am wrong, please feel free to correct - especially you dinos  out there.
You are not wrong.
 
Bill  pre-Cambrian Fairchild
 
Facts are  the enemy of truth. [Don Quixote in Man of La  Mancha]




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Re: SHARE in Tampa Florida, February 11-16, 2007

2006-10-27 Thread Rick Fochtman

-snip---
OK, nobody uses the BPO in any coding for the rest of the day.(Backspace 
and then Punch Operator).

unsnip--
And stay away from the old HCF 1052 command as well (Halt  Catch Fire)  :-)

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Re: VTAM and GCN

2006-10-27 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Chris Mason
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Dave Kutz 
 Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
 
  I am not sure if this list supports VTAM questions or not. If not,
please
  ignore and sorry.
 
 If there is a comparable list that folk bother about which 
 covers VTAM, someone please let us all know.

There is/was SNAMGT-L, but it never had much traffic.  AFAIK it has died
of atrophy.

-jc-

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Re: SHARE in Tampa Florida, February 11-16, 2007

2006-10-27 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jon Brock
 
 No problem.  That can be shortened to IzMOfSzaez -- 
 pronounced is-moff-says.
 
 Actually, that might make a good password.

Not now  :-)

-jc-

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Re: Mainframe still user surly, File-aid and Endevor aroused my ire.

2006-10-27 Thread Galambos, Robert
No absolutely not. I wanted to differentiate my responses to the original post. 
Thought it would be easier for the readers to follow along


Whispering...


Sorry




 


 
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 Clark
 
 See below for answers to your issues.

And all your answers were typed in all uppercase, which in Internet 
conversations is considered SHOUTING.  You didn't really mean to SHOUT, did 
you?

-jc-

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Re: Apology

2006-10-27 Thread Rick Fochtman

Eric N. Bielefeld wrote:


Someone just sent me the following link.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy

I had no part in it!


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Try the reverse: finding something that doesn't exist!
My ancestors came from the village of HOSENWINKEL, in the district of 
OSNABRUK, in the state of HANOVER, Germany! When Anton Fochtmann came to 
the US, he dropped the last n, in 1822!


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DFSORT SPLICE

2006-10-27 Thread Roberto R.
Hi, I run this ICETOOL job:

//RECS  DD * 
 
 
//  DD * 
     
     
//TOOLINDD * 
  SPLICE FROM(RECS) TO(OUT) ON(1,4,CH) WITH(11,4) WITHALL

and get this:

  
  
  

but I hope to get this:

  
  
  
 
  
  

Can that be done? DFSORT is V1R5. Thanks in advance.
Rob

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Re: Mainframe still user surly, File-aid and Endevor aroused my ire.

2006-10-27 Thread Dave Salt

From: Galambos, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No absolutely not. I wanted to differentiate my responses to the original 
post. Thought it would be easier for the readers to follow along


I liked what you did. The uppercase characters made it easier to see your 
responses.


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JES MTTR Utility?

2006-10-27 Thread Longnecker, Dennis
Anyone have a utility/program (they can share) that will return the
relevant control blocks when I supply a MTTR for a particular job on the
spool?

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Re: SHARE in Tampa Florida, February 11-16, 2007

2006-10-27 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 10/27/2006 10:08:12 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Isn't  that more-or-less what z/OS.e is intended to be?




Yazbut it's only for 'new work', not the decades of tried and true  code.

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Re: DFSORT SPLICE

2006-10-27 Thread Frank Yaeger
Roberto R. wrote on 10/27/2006 08:21:06 AM:

 Hi, I run this ICETOOL job:

 //RECS  DD *
  
  
 //  DD *
   
   
 //TOOLINDD *
   SPLICE FROM(RECS) TO(OUT) ON(1,4,CH) WITH(11,4) WITHALL

 and get this:

  
   
   

 but I hope to get this:

  
   
   
  
   
   

 Can that be done? DFSORT is V1R5. Thanks in advance.
 Rob

Sorry, but SPLICE doesn't support a cartesian join like that.

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Re: Mainframe still user surly, File-aid and Endevor aroused my ire.

2006-10-27 Thread Edward Jaffe

Galambos, Robert wrote:

No absolutely not. I wanted to differentiate my responses to the original post. 
Thought it would be easier for the readers to follow along
  


The proper way to do that is by using an email client that quotes per 
RFC 2646.




Whispering...
  


You can intersperse responses to the material quoted above.



Sorry
  


Just like this ...

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Re: Receive Order Error

2006-10-27 Thread Dick Renneke
We added the SYSTCPD DD statement to the SMPE job but got the same
messages.

SC0508 initConnection: Calling getaddrinfo() with inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com
SC0517 initConnection: getaddrinfo() resptr 0 rc 1/EDC9501I The name does
not re
solve for the supplied parameters. (errno2=0x112B)
Unknown host: inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com

Do you use the FIREWALL statement or when is it needed?

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Re: JES MTTR Utility?

2006-10-27 Thread Edward Jaffe

Longnecker, Dennis wrote:

Anyone have a utility/program (they can share) that will return the
relevant control blocks when I supply a MTTR for a particular job on the
spool?
  


(E)JES contains a facility to dump all spool control blocks belonging to 
a job (i.e., JCT, IOTs, SWBs, etc.) or to dump the chained HDBs 
associated with an individual data set.


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Re: Mainframe still user surly, File-aid and Endevor aroused my ire.

2006-10-27 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
 
 Galambos, Robert wrote:
  No absolutely not. I wanted to differentiate my responses to the 
  original post. Thought it would be easier for the readers to follow 
  along
 
 The proper way to do that is by using an email client that 
 quotes per RFC 2646.

But when posting from company equipment, one frequently is constrained
to use only what the company provides.

-jc-

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Re: FLASHCOPY TARGET VOLUMES

2006-10-27 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Mike,

I can't answer your question directly because I don't remember how I
initialized the flashcopy targets.  They currently show up in ISMF as
converted.  We are flashing SMS packs to SMS packs for subsequent
backups to tape.  We just successfully completed a hotsite test this
week where we restored our z-box from these packs.  We have also done
dataset-level restores from these tapes.  

Let me know offline if you would like to see samples of our jobs.

Rex

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We currently FLASHCOPY NON-SMS (Source) DASD volumes to NON-SMS (Target)
DASD volumes. Are there any issues in performing FLASHCOPY from SMS
(source) DASD volumes to NON-SMS (Target) DASD volumes.  Are there any
issues in the subsequent backup/restore process?   Can not find anything
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Enhanced Catalog Sharing (ECS) Questions?

2006-10-27 Thread Petersen, Jim
1. Are any of you running ECS?
 
2. If so, are all or part of your catalogs in ECS?
 
3. If part, are they catalogs which would not impact you if problems
occurred?
 
4. If not running ECS, why?  Did you try it and have problems?
 
5. Have any of you heard that SAP has a problem with ECS?
 
You may respond to me directly if you wish.  I would appreciate any
input that you have and any candor you might wish to share.
 




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Meeting in Parsippany

2006-10-27 Thread Crispin Hugo
I Believe there is a big meeting in Parsippany in November on what's coming
up for Mainframes in futures. Anybody know where I can find an agenda?



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Re: Enhanced Catalog Sharing (ECS) Questions?

2006-10-27 Thread R.S.

Petersen, Jim wrote:

1. Are any of you running ECS?
 
2. If so, are all or part of your catalogs in ECS?
 
3. If part, are they catalogs which would not impact you if problems

occurred?
 
4. If not running ECS, why?  Did you try it and have problems?
 
5. Have any of you heard that SAP has a problem with ECS?
 
You may respond to me directly if you wish.  I would appreciate any

input that you have and any candor you might wish to share.


It was discussed some time ago. AFAIK Ron Fergusson made some survey and 
presented results on the list. I'd suggest searching archives.


1. Yes
2. Usually part
3. I don't understand
4. Usually because lack of psysplex, or sharing across plexes
5. No

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Re: FLASHCOPY TARGET VOLUMES

2006-10-27 Thread Hal Merritt
I think Flashcopy is just a track for track copy at a specific point in
time. SMS status is not relevant. Therefore, your statement that the
target volumes are non SMS is not applicable.

Your backups would be a point in time image of the source volumes. Being
SMS, that would have to include all applicable catalogs. You would then
restore all of those volumes (to include the catalogs) as a single
entity such that your source SMS environment would be exactly replicated
at the end of the restore process.  

Of course, if the environment is active when the flash is taken, then
you may have some consistency issues with open files. That is, the image
would be as if the 'plex abruptly lost power. More, although flash copy
is near instant, pulling the trigger across a farm takes several
seconds. There is a nice window of opportunity for volumes to become
logically inconsistent. I think the term is 'fuzzy copy'.  

We tried flashing a subset of the environment and weren't happy with the
results.   
 

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DASD volumes. Are there any issues in performing FLASHCOPY from SMS
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Re: Meeting in Parsippany

2006-10-27 Thread Steve Comstock

Crispin Hugo wrote:

I Believe there is a big meeting in Parsippany in November on what's coming
up for Mainframes in futures. Anybody know where I can find an agenda?




November in Parsippany doesn't have quite the ring of
April in Paris does it?

Haven't heard about this; perhaps you weren't supposed
to broadcast it. But if you find out, I'd sure like to
see it too.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock

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Re: IEAMSCHD SRB Excessive delay

2006-10-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks, that sounds like the most likely explanation for an SRB being 
delayed. I wonder who would be doing a STATUS STOP,SRB in a CICS region? 
Might that be the hypervisor or WLM?

Thanks again,
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Re: Meeting in Parsippany

2006-10-27 Thread Tony Harminc
Steve Comstock wrote:
 Crispin Hugo wrote:
  I Believe there is a big meeting in Parsippany in November on what's
coming
  up for Mainframes in futures. Anybody know where I can find an agenda?
 
 November in Parsippany doesn't have quite the ring of April in Paris
does it?
 
 Haven't heard about this; perhaps you weren't supposed to broadcast it.
But if you find out, I'd sure like to see it too.

Not possible you're thinking of November in Poughkeepsie? There is a meeting
there in Nov for PWD members. You have to have an appropriate NDA signed to
even see the agenda. But I'm just a lowly ISV grunt, so I'm sure the serious
futures stuff is going on somewhere else - maybe even Parsippany. :-)

Tony H.

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Re: Java/LE Tuning Advice sought

2006-10-27 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
 
 John,
 
 I'm afraid that the reports that you are seeing are from the 
 parent shell and not the java process, because none of java's 
 programmer default LE settings are present.
 
 I'm guessing that you are not seeing the LE report from 
 java because:
 
 - you are running jboss under java with 
 -Dfile.encoding=iso8859-1 since JBOSS , like many Java apps, 
 has code dependencies that prevent it from running correctly 
 with a default EBCDIC codepage.  

Well, the -Dfile.encoding=ISO8859-1 option is specified but does not
appear to have anything to do with seeing the LE storage report.

 - your shell script is maybe using iconv pipes to convert 
 output (stdout and stderr) from java/jboss from ascii to ebcdic.

I browse the stdout and stderr files using the Bluezone built-in FTP
client, which interactively allows for EtoA translation or binary
viewing.  The verbosegc output is not readable with either option; the
rest of the output is presented in plain English.

 - but the LE options and storage reports are also written (in 
 EBCDIC) to stderr by default (under a Unix shell),
   and is also getting converted...which probably accounts for 
 much of the gibberish

No, the LE storage report that occasionally appears in stderr is
perfectly readable.  Only the -verbosegc output appears as gibberish,
regardless what -Dxxx.encoding I specify or where I specify it.  And the
gibberish appears only in stdout; never in stderr.

 You might be able to use _CEE_RUNOPTS settings to tell LE to 
 write its MSGFILE somewhere else.

At the moment there appears no need to do that.  The problem seems to be
in getting a report from the correct environment.

Again, I have a dump if anybody wants to go diving

-jc-

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Re: Java/LE Tuning Advice sought

2006-10-27 Thread Tony Harminc
Chase, John wrote:

 I browse the stdout and stderr files using the Bluezone built-in FTP
 client, which interactively allows for EtoA translation or binary
 viewing.  The verbosegc output is not readable with either option; the
 rest of the output is presented in plain English.

Give us a sample of that in hex, please.

 Again, I have a dump if anybody wants to go diving

You might have a look at the svcdump/FindRoots package on the IBM UNIX Tools
 Toys page. I believe there are also newer versions available from IBM if
you ask your friendly local support person. Of course it's written in Java,
so you may want to consider the platform you run it on carefully... ;-)

Tony H.

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Re: Meeting in Parsippany

2006-10-27 Thread August Carideo
This just passed:

I wanted to let you know about an exciting upcoming one day event on System
z and Service Oriented Architecture (SOA). It's being held on Wednesday,
Oct 25th, at the IBM Palisades Executive Briefing Center in Palisades, NY.

It will be a chance for you to mingle and connect with other System z
customers like you that use the mainframe/System z as a strategic asset and
are looking to position System z within SOA along with providing Total Cost
of Ownership (TCO).

I've included the invitation flyer that describes the discussion topics for
the day along with how to register. Please register at your earliest
convenience as this session will fill up quickly. Please feel free to pass
the invitation to your colleagues if you can't attend.

If anyone would like me to register them for the session please either call
or email me and I'll get you signed up. Thanks. I'm looking forward to
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Re: Meeting in Parsippany

2006-10-27 Thread Crispin Hugo
Ok chaps, I feel even dumber than usual.  Poughkeepsie makes much more
sense. Sorry to have bothered you all.

Crispin Hugo




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Re: Meeting in Parsippany

2006-10-27 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:41:37 -0400, August Carideo wrote:

This just passed:

I wanted to let you know about an exciting upcoming one day event on System
z and Service Oriented Architecture (SOA). It's being held on Wednesday,
Oct 25th, at the IBM Palisades Executive Briefing Center in Palisades, NY.

...snipped...

If anyone would like me to register them for the session please either call
or email me and I'll get you signed up. Thanks. I'm looking forward to
seeing you at this event.


You didn't say who signed it -- Darl McBride, maybe?  

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Re: Java/LE Tuning Advice sought

2006-10-27 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Harminc
 
 Chase, John wrote:
 
  I browse the stdout and stderr files using the Bluezone built-in FTP 
  client, which interactively allows for EtoA translation or binary
  viewing.  The verbosegc output is not readable with either option; the 
  rest of the output is presented in plain English.
 
 Give us a sample of that in hex, please.

First set of lines below the ===; begins with 
x'C2706742EB474C8C':

  JAVA_OPTS: -Xms128m -Xmx1024m -verbose:gc 
-Dtransport.home=/whprt/transport/home  -Dprogram.name=run.sh   

44DCEC6DDEE746E9AFFF946E9A946A8989A878846CA989A999A4899876A899A6A989A999A68998446C99989894989879A94A8
   
001151D6732A0074212840074710244005592625A73004391527693B8645E16879313915276931864500047967914B5145E945B28
   
 
--
 
  CLASSPATH: 
/whprt/transport/jboss/bin/run.jar:/usr/lpp/java142d/J1.4/lib/tools.jar 
   
44CDCEEDCEC746A899A6A989A999A6989AA688969A9498976AA96999698A8FFF86DF4F69886A999A4989

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Re: Meeting in Parsippany

2006-10-27 Thread Lizette Koehler
I did not find a flyer.  Can you let me know where on the web I can download it?

Thanks

Lizette

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This just passed:

I wanted to let you know about an exciting upcoming one day event on System
z and Service Oriented Architecture (SOA). It's being held on Wednesday,
Oct 25th, at the IBM Palisades Executive Briefing Center in Palisades, NY.

It will be a chance for you to mingle and connect with other System z
customers like you that use the mainframe/System z as a strategic asset and
are looking to position System z within SOA along with providing Total Cost
of Ownership (TCO).

I've included the invitation flyer that describes the discussion topics for
the day along with how to register. Please register at your earliest
convenience as this session will fill up quickly. Please feel free to pass
the invitation to your colleagues if you can't attend.

If anyone would like me to register them for the session please either call
or email me and I'll get you signed up. Thanks. I'm looking forward to
seeing you at this event.


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Re: Java/LE Tuning Advice sought

2006-10-27 Thread Chase, John
Possible progress:  In my open TechQA question with IBM on this topic
I got a new option to specify in the Java options, and I am now
recording verbosegc output in readable form.

The option is

-Xverbosegclog:filename  

where filename is a file name of one's own choosing.

Maybe this is the something that another poster couldn't remember
having to do?

-jc-

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Re: DFSORT SPLICE

2006-10-27 Thread Reda, John
Rob,

I think we can help you out if you have access to SyncSort for z/OS
release 1.2.  Our JOIN facility can produce the output you are looking
for.  Please contact me offline if you would like more specifics on how
to do this. 

Sincerely,
John Reda
Software Services Manager
Syncsort Inc.
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 Hi, I run this ICETOOL job:
 
 //RECS  DD *
  
  
 //  DD *
   
   
 //TOOLINDD *
   SPLICE FROM(RECS) TO(OUT) ON(1,4,CH) WITH(11,4) WITHALL
 
 and get this:
 
  
   
   
 
 but I hope to get this:
 
  
   
   
  
   
   
 
 Can that be done? DFSORT is V1R5. Thanks in advance. 
 
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Re: Meeting in Parsippany

2006-10-27 Thread Gilbert Saint-Flour
Crispin Hugo wrote:

 I Believe there is a big meeting in Parsippany in November on what's
 coming up for Mainframes in futures. ...

Now, that brings back memories !!  We held a couple of SPONJ meetings at the 
Macro4 office in Parsippany back in 92-93. Bruce Black and Sam Golob may 
remember attending.   

In case you're wondering, SPONJ (acronym for Systems Programmers Of New 
Jersey) was the local chapter of NASPA.

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Z/OS + VM

2006-10-27 Thread Mike Liberatore
If I have a Z/OS 1.4 system running as a guest of VM. How do you gen for PAVs? 
Still gen Base Plus alaiaes? Thanks in advance!!

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Re: Receive Order Error

2006-10-27 Thread Brian Peterson
Simplify.  Makes problem determination easier.

What happened when you ran the PING test?

Brian

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:44:44 -0500, Dick Renneke [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

We added the SYSTCPD DD statement to the SMPE job but got the same
messages.

SC0508 initConnection: Calling getaddrinfo() with inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com
SC0517 initConnection: getaddrinfo() resptr 0 rc 1/EDC9501I The name does
not re
solve for the supplied parameters. (errno2=0x112B)
Unknown host: inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com

Do you use the FIREWALL statement or when is it needed?

Dick


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Re: Receive Order Error

2006-10-27 Thread Dick Renneke
With the SYSTCPD DD statement, we got this response -

READY
 PING INETSD01.BOULDER.IBM.COM
CS V1R7: Pinging host INETSD01.BOULDER.IBM.COM (207.25.253.62)
READY
END
Unable to open RAW socket: EDC5139I Operation not permitted.



   
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Simplify.  Makes problem determination easier.

What happened when you ran the PING test?

Brian

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:44:44 -0500, Dick Renneke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

We added the SYSTCPD DD statement to the SMPE job but got the same
messages.

SC0508 initConnection: Calling getaddrinfo() with inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com
SC0517 initConnection: getaddrinfo() resptr 0 rc 1/EDC9501I The name does
not re
solve for the supplied parameters. (errno2=0x112B)
Unknown host: inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com

Do you use the FIREWALL statement or when is it needed?

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Re: Enhanced Catalog Sharing (ECS) Questions?

2006-10-27 Thread Friske, Michael
 Jim,

1.  Yes
2.  All
3.  N/A
4.  N/A
5.  I do not know why SAP would have a problem?  The sharing protocol is
completely transparent to the application.


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Subject: Enhanced Catalog Sharing (ECS) Questions?

1. Are any of you running ECS?
 
2. If so, are all or part of your catalogs in ECS?
 
3. If part, are they catalogs which would not impact you if problems
occurred?
 
4. If not running ECS, why?  Did you try it and have problems?
 
5. Have any of you heard that SAP has a problem with ECS?
 
You may respond to me directly if you wish.  I would appreciate any
input that you have and any candor you might wish to share.
 




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Re: SHARE in Tampa Florida, February 11-16, 2007

2006-10-27 Thread Ted MacNEIL
OK, nobody uses the BPO in any coding for the rest of the day. (Backspace and 
then Punch Operator).


What all systems need is:

END USER

When in doubt.
PANIC!!  

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Re: Question on the load list

2006-10-27 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:21:14 -0400, Craddock, Chris 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
I don't think he did. If you widen the definition of reentrant to
include all external data then all bets are off. I would argue that such
a program is just badly designed no matter what purported attributes it
has. The system provides well-behaved mechanisms for well-behaved
programs. It is a bit much to expect miracles when the program violates
serialization rules.
...

I admit I was one of those gullible enough to believe the myth (which 
Tom Marchant has exposed as bogus) that RENT ever meant anything other 
than not self-modifying.  It apparently never had anything to do with
whether the code could safely be reentered.

So I would change your statement to If you widen the definition of
reentrant to mean reenterable, all bets are off.  That is really the
important issue, but it's impossible to determine programmatically.  

The RENT attribute checked by the Assembler is a lot closer to a REFR 
test (as has already been stated in this thread, I think) and is a very
rough test at that, prone to both false positives and false negatives.
Without knowledge of those well-behaved mechanisms for well-behaved
programs you mention there is no way to determine reenterability.  


Pat O'Keefe

  

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Re: I love TCPIP (not!)

2006-10-27 Thread Matthew Stitt
Hi Chris;

I think we've finally gotten a set of ROUTES definitions that are working. 
I performed an FTP to the server after settting these up according to your
examples, and it worked.

I'll keep monitoring things for a while.

Thanks for your assistance and patience on this issue.  Hopefully some
others on this list learned a few things.  I know I did.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:59 +0200, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Matthew

Thanks for the response.

There's a bit more detail in the NETSTAT GATE output than in the GATEWAY
statement you showed us before and there is a possibly crucial difference in
the hipersockets IQDIO1 entry which has managed to acquire a 1 in the
third octet where you reported a 0 before.

In your 11:04 pm post of Tues, Oct 17 2006, corrected in your 11:19 pm post.
you provided the following:

GATEWAY
  10.0.0.0= Z990CH41LNK1  1492 0.255.248.0   0.2.8.0
  192.0.0.0   = IQDIO18192 0.255.255.0   0.0.0.0
  DEFAULTNET  10.2.8.2  Z990CH41LNK1  1492 0

But the NETSTAT GATE (and NETSTAT ROUTE) indicates the following:

GATEWAY
  10.0.0.0= Z990CH41LNK1  1492 0.255.248.0   0.2.8.0
  10.2.12.103 = Z990CH41LNK1  1492 HOST
  192.0.1.0   = IQDIO18192 0.255.255.0   0.0.0.0
  192.0.1.68  = IQDIO18192 HOST
  DEFAULTNET  10.2.8.2  Z990CH41LNK1  1492 0

The LOOPBACK entry appears because of the following taken from the z/OS
V1R8.0 Communications Server IP Configuration Reference manual - which
appears, because of revision lines, first explicitly to be mentioned only in
this level of the manual:

quote

1.2.29 HOME

...

The default LOOPBACK address of 127.0.0.1 is internally defined by the
TCP/IP stack. If you try to define this LOOPBACK address, it is flagged as a
duplicate entry. You can use a link_name value of LOOPBACK in the HOME list
to define additional LOOPBACK addresses. No DEVICE or LINK statement is
needed for LOOPBACK, and it cannot be started or stopped (LOOPBACK is always
active).

...

/quote

The host entry for 10.2.12.103 is not necessary since it is included in
the address range specified by your network 10.2.8.0/mask 255.255.248.0
entry.

Also the host entry for 192.0.1.68 is not necessary since it is included
in the address range specified by your network 192.0.1.0/mask 255.255.255.0
entry.

Once this is converted to a BEGINROUTES/ENDROUTES block, we should have the
following:

  BEGINROUTES
   ROUTE 10.2.8.0/21 = Z990CH41LNK1  MTU 1492
   ROUTE 10.2.12.103/32  = Z990CH41LNK1  MTU 1492
   ROUTE 192.0.1.0/24= IQDIO1MTU 8192
   ROUTE 192.0.1.68/32   = IQDIO1MTU 8192
   ROUTE DEFAULT 10.2.8.2  Z990CH41LNK1  MTU 1492
  ENDROUTES

As I mentioned above, the entries with /32 are not necessary.

I'm wondering whether these /32 entries are present in order to support
some mechanism which requires host entries to be present in the routing
table. Thus they may have been added dynamically.

If this BEGINROUTES/ENDROUTES block still does not work - with or without
the /32 entries, please post the results of the PING tests I described in
an earlier post starting with router 10.2.8.2.

As for the hipersockets interface, a PING to any and all of the partner
hipersockets interfaces is the only PING test you need. When reading up on
hipersockets, I noticed a claim that the hipersockets connections formed a
sort-of virtual LAN. I'd be interested in whether a PING command such as
192.0.1.255 managed to elicit a response from each of the hipersockets
partner interfaces. I suspect it won't as hipersockets connections probably
don't mimic a LAN in all respects.

Chris Mason


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Re: Receive Order Error

2006-10-27 Thread Brian Peterson
OK - This result shows that the SYSTCPD DD statement is required for your 
RECEIVE job, and should fix your problem where RECEIVE is unable to resolve 
the inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com address - the unknown host error.

So, if you add SYSTCPD to your RECEIVE job, you should expect to get some 
result OTHER than:

SC0508 initConnection: Calling getaddrinfo() with inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com
SC0517 initConnection: getaddrinfo() resptr 0 rc 1/EDC9501I The name does
not re
solve for the supplied parameters. (errno2=0x112B)
Unknown host: inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com

Again, I'm not saying this will fix every problem and make the RECEIVE job 
work.  It is a required first step.  You first must be able to resolve via 
DNS the IP address of inetsd01.boulder.ibm.com before your RECEIVE job will 
attempt to connect from your system to that host - via whatever obstacles 
your network implementation imposes (proxys, firewalls, etc).

Once SMP/E attempts to connect to the IBM host, then the issues of proxy or 
firewall come into play.

Brian

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:50:04 -0500, Dick Renneke wrote:

With the SYSTCPD DD statement, we got this response -

READY
 PING INETSD01.BOULDER.IBM.COM
CS V1R7: Pinging host INETSD01.BOULDER.IBM.COM (207.25.253.62)
READY
END
Unable to open RAW socket: EDC5139I Operation not permitted.



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Re: Assembler question

2006-10-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 10/24/2006
   at 03:46 PM, Alan C. Field [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

If what you want printed is X'0FFF' you need code similar to the 
following:
 
ST   R0,IN 
UNPKOUT(9),IN(5) 
MVZ OUT(8),OUT-1 
TR  OUT(8),=C'0123456789ABCDEF' 

Two notes:

 1. You must ensure that there are pad bytes after IN and OUT. The
 easy way is to place them before some other DS.

 2. You you can shorten that by offsetting the translate table, e.g.,

STR0,IN 
UNPK  OUT(9),IN(5) 
TROUT(8),TRTAB-C'0'

TRTAB   DCC'0123456789ABCDEF'

taking care to prevent TRTAB from being within the first 240
bytes of the csect.

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Re: Assembler question

2006-10-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/24/2006
   at 04:11 PM, Anne Crabtree [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

(I don't understand exactly how this works

It's dangerous to copy code that you don't understand.

but it is how it is coded in our old exit

Look again. You will find that the code preceeding the NC is
different.

Why is it not translating the decimal to hexadecimal???

Why wopuld you expect it to? It's taking an EBCIDE string of digits,
removing the zones and then tranlating each unzoned digit back into a
zoned digit, giving you the string you started with. To translate a
decimal string to hexadecimal, you need to first translate it to
binary, then translate the binary to hexadecimal. Since you started
with binary, the easiest thing to do is

 STR0,BINWORK
 UNPK  HEXWORK(L'HEXWORK+1)
 TRHEXWORK,TRTAB

TRTABEQU   *-C'0'
 DCC'0123456789ABCDEF'

BINWORK  DSF

HEXWORK  DSCL8

where the DC is not in the first 240 bytes of the csect and each DS is
followed by at least one other DS.

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Re: acronym dictionary (was What's Project ECL ipz?)

2006-10-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/26/2006
   at 02:23 PM, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

It's just Shmuel's intellectual incapacity to realise that some
people are just bloody good at what they do.

And what *you* do is libel. IBM, Jay and now me.

The hard-working sign no NDAs and generate their opinions by sheer
hard work. 

Frankly, I find IBM's lack of trust in you more compelling than your
protestations of innocence.

Shmuel lacks the Weltanschaung to conceive that anyone can achieve this,

Wrong, tonto, I lack the naïvity to take anything *you* claim on
trust. I certainly believe that *others* can and have achieved it.
More to the point, I wasn't questioning your dubious claim, but rather
commenting on the hypocrisy of your whining. I don't have to run
faster than the bear, I just have to run faster than you.
 
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Re: BCTR out of favor?

2006-10-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/26/2006
   at 10:54 AM, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Hard to envisage the economics of an assist for an instruction whose
worst case is a machine cycle and whose best case is pre-cycle
recognition.

Yes, when you change the issue that way it becomes hard to envisage.

Their superfluousness is recognised in the pipe.

That's the assist whose necessity you don't understand.

It's quite phenomenal 

To you, perhaps. To those who have been looking at a lot of different
hardware designs, it's routine.

how many instructions are never executed in that sense,

Techniques for that have been in the open literature for decades.

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Re: Apology

2006-10-27 Thread Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/26/2006
   at 05:24 PM, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

While I maintain the opinion expressed, the ad hominem was
inappropriate and I apologise to Schmuel and the list.

If you aren't willing to make an honest apology, phyllis, then don't
bother making an insincere oone. You don't apologize by repeating the
offense for which you are allegedly apologizing, If you really wanted
to apologize then you would have refrained[1] from writing I maintain
the opinion expressed and would have taken the trouble to get my name
right.

[1] Surely in your years of experience you have encountered the
concept of a tombstone announcement.

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Re: FileSeq Number on Tape

2006-10-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/24/2006
   at 02:05 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Truly a gratuitous check.

No. Read the code.

Is there any rationale for permitting three leading zeroes, but not 
four as long as the resulting numeric value is within range?

Avoiding extraneous code changes.

It merely adds a few instructions to some code path

No it doesn't. The code is generic, and adding a special test would
increase the path length.

Now, I could make a case that the converter (née Reader) tables should
have specified a larger limit, since excessive values would get caught
in the Interpreter, but that's a separate issue.
 
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Re: http://mainframeweekly.blogspo­t.com/ What's Project ECL ipz?

2006-10-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/26/2006
   at 06:17 AM, Jan MOEYERSONS [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Forgive me my ignorance... What is PKB standing for?

Pot. Kettle. Black. It's a short way of labelling hypocrisy.

For an extensive list of such acronyms and expressions, google for
jargon file.
 
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Re: Is the teaching of non-reentrant HLASM coding practices ever defensible?

2006-10-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/25/2006
   at 10:25 AM, Jeffrey D. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

IBM Documentation, Program Management SC27-1130-00
Chapter 7, Binder Options, Page 123.

That documents the current rules for specifying the REFR, RENT and
REUS attribute. It's not the definitive source for the terms
refreshable, reentrant and serially reusable, much less a source for
how IBM defined those terms when it coined them, and doesn't reflect
how Contents Supervision[1] actually works. For that you need to go
back to OS/360 Concepts and Facilities or to the article Design of
OS/360.

[1] Whatever it's called these days.
 
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Re: Is the teaching of non-reentrant HLASM coding practices ever defensible?

2006-10-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/26/2006
   at 11:31 AM, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

True, but the /165's TTL memory didn't have a fraction of the
problems the /65's core had.

The 3165 used core, as did the 3155. The solid state memory came in
later for the big machines then it did for the small machines. It was
the models 158 and 168 that used semiconductor memory, unless you were
referring to cache.

Of core, the 2065 used parity checking while the 3165 used ECC, so the
impact of memory problems was greatly reduced.

Very true, but not obvious from the marketing material at that time.

I tended to read CE manuals and logic manuals; the marketing manuals
were too hard for me to understand. Or do you consider IBM Systems
Journal and The IBM Journal of Research and Development to be
marketing manuals?

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Re: List of standard IBM SVC numbers, please

2006-10-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/26/2006
   at 08:44 AM, (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:

So if you trace the SVC for system service X with GTF, are the
PC-entries   for that same system service X also traced?

No.
 
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Re: Java/LE Tuning Advice sought

2006-10-27 Thread Kirk Wolf

John,

Chase, John wrote:

Well, the -Dfile.encoding=ISO8859-1 option is specified but does not
appear to have anything to do with seeing the LE storage report.

  
- your shell script is maybe using iconv pipes to convert 
output (stdout and stderr) from java/jboss from ascii to ebcdic.



I browse the stdout and stderr files using the Bluezone built-in FTP
client, which interactively allows for EtoA translation or binary
viewing.  The verbosegc output is not readable with either option; the
rest of the output is presented in plain English.

  
- but the LE options and storage reports are also written (in 
EBCDIC) to stderr by default (under a Unix shell),
  and is also getting converted...which probably accounts for 
much of the gibberish



No, the LE storage report that occasionally appears in stderr is
perfectly readable.  Only the -verbosegc output appears as gibberish,
regardless what -Dxxx.encoding I specify or where I specify it.  And the
gibberish appears only in stdout; never in stderr.

  
But the storage report that you posted is not from the java command; 
it is probably from a shell. 
My guess was that the stderr output from the java command has output in 
both ASCII (from java System.err) and EBCDIC (from LE report).

Perhaps your editor simply infers a codepage from the beginning of the file?

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Re: Enhanced Catalog Sharing (ECS) Questions?

2006-10-27 Thread Roger Lowe
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:05:16 -0400, Petersen, Jim 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

1. Are any of you running ECS?
 
2. If so, are all or part of your catalogs in ECS?
 
3. If part, are they catalogs which would not impact you if problems
occurred?
 
4. If not running ECS, why?  Did you try it and have problems?
 
5. Have any of you heard that SAP has a problem with ECS?
 
Jim,
 
1. Yes
2. All
3. N/A
4. N/A
5. N/A

Roger

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Re: Apology

2006-10-27 Thread Ed Gould

On Oct 27, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Chase, John wrote:
---SNIP--


Wow!  An Area 51 in Deutschland!

So, what planet are you really from??  :-D


Milwaukee apparently :)



-jc-

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Numbers in JCL (was: FileSeq Number on Tape)

2006-10-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:

 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:14:29 -0300
 
 No. Read the code.
 
Is it available or OCO?

 Is there any rationale for permitting three leading zeroes, but not
 four as long as the resulting numeric value is within range?
 
 Avoiding extraneous code changes.
 
 It merely adds a few instructions to some code path
 
 No it doesn't. The code is generic, and adding a special test would
 increase the path length.
 
I'd accept that if you could persuade me that there's a generic
routine or macro used by the converter for all numeric conversions,
and the only test it makes is on number of digits.  For example,
I find it accepts BLKSIZE=9.  But I tried various values
of REGION.  z/OS 1.7 accepts REGION=2096128K but fails on
REGION=2096129K with

IEF638I SPECIFIED NUMERIC EXCEEDS MAXIMUM ALLOWED IN THE REGION FIELD.

So, apparently, the reader does check for specific numeric values
beyond enforcing field width limits, and since such code exists, if
it were generic it would apply only a numeric limit and ignore
superfluous leading zeroes.

BTW, what's the rationale for the maximum of 2096128K?
2096129 = 0x1FFC01, and 2096129*1024 = 0x7FF00400, which fit
comfortably in 21-bit and 31-bit fields, respectively.  It seems
to me that the reasonable choice of limit would be 2097151, since
2097151*1024 = 0x7C00, the largest multiple of 1024 that can
be represented in 31 bits (2097151 = 0x1F).

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Apology

2006-10-27 Thread Phil Payne
 My ancestors came from the village of HOSENWINKEL, in the district of 
 OSNABRUK, in the state
of HANOVER, Germany! When Anton Fochtmann came to the US, he dropped the last 
n, in 1822!

Hmmm.  I suspect it was Hasenwinkel, which is indeed near Osnabrück.

Trouser corner doesn't make a great deal of sense.

It's not in Hannover either - it's in Niedersachsen or Lower Saxony, as we 
translate it.
Hannover is a Hansestadt - a free trading town - and capital not only of its 
immediate area
(Landkreis Hannover) but also of Niedersachsen.

Another load of useless Friday information - Hannover is a corruption of a 
middle German
expression am hohen Üfer - on the high bank (of the river Leine).  It's a 
great place to
drink Berliner Weißbier (wheat beer in a bowl-type glass with a shot of fruit 
syrup) on a warm
sunny day, or wander around the fleamarket on a Sunday morning.

I can also recommend the Altstadtfest - beats the Münchner Oktoberfest into a 
cocked hat, but
then lots of things do.  Lots of cultural stuff   They've got a red line 
painted on the floor,
too.  And go up the lift on the old Rathaus - it's a hell of an experience 
because it goes up
the outside of the dome, and domes aren't straight.

The Maschsee just behind the old Rathaus is only a couple of feet deep and 
stocked with huge
carp that are regarded as national treasures.  They feed very gently from your 
hand.  In 1979
it froze over and I went on it wearing hockey skates in a very stiff wind.  
Opening the jacket
created a sail, and I sailed the full length - over 1km.

Why do Americans only want to see Munich and Heidelberg?

We now return you to your normal programming, while noting that the 
Medizinische Hochschule
Hannover was quite possibly the last data centre (certainly in Europe) to 
operate a /67 -
still going strong as late as 1982.

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Re: Numbers in JCL (was: FileSeq Number on Tape)

2006-10-27 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:23:43 -0600, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  I tried various values
of REGION.  z/OS 1.7 accepts REGION=2096128K but fails on
REGION=2096129K with

IEF638I SPECIFIED NUMERIC EXCEEDS MAXIMUM ALLOWED IN THE REGION FIELD.



BTW, what's the rationale for the maximum of 2096128K?
2096129 = 0x1FFC01, and 2096129*1024 = 0x7FF00400, which fit
comfortably in 21-bit and 31-bit fields, respectively.  It seems
to me that the reasonable choice of limit would be 2097151, since
2097151*1024 = 0x7C00, the largest multiple of 1024 that can
be represented in 31 bits (2097151 = 0x1F).

A region value greater than 16M specifies the region above the line, while
below the line storage is not constrained by the region paremeter.  The
largest possible region above the line would be 0x7f00 or 2080768K. 
This of course ignores the space occupied by the extended Nucleus, ELPA,
ECSA and ESQA.  All of these reduce the available above the line region.

Clearly, it's an error, but it's too large, not too small.

Tom Marchant

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Re: Numbers in JCL (was: FileSeq Number on Tape)

2006-10-27 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 10/27/2006 
07:23:43 PM:
 
 BTW, what's the rationale for the maximum of 2096128K?
 2096129 = 0x1FFC01, and 2096129*1024 = 0x7FF00400, which fit
 comfortably in 21-bit and 31-bit fields, respectively.  It seems
 to me that the reasonable choice of limit would be 2097151, since
 2097151*1024 = 0x7C00, the largest multiple of 1024 that can
 be represented in 31 bits (2097151 = 0x1F).

 See module IEFVJA, which is not OCO.  Apparently, 2096128K is
chosen because it is equal to 2047M, and 2047 is the the largest M
value accepted by IEFVJA.  All of these numbers are larger than 
what could ever be obtained as region anyway, given that
SQA+CSA+LPA+NUC will be many megabytes. 

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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Re: List of standard IBM SVC numbers, please

2006-10-27 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on  10/26/2006
   at 08:44 AM, (IBM Mainframe Discussion  List) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:

So if you trace  the SVC for system service X with GTF, are the
PC-entriesfor that same system service X also traced?
 
In a message dated 10/27/2006 5:29:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
shmuel+ibm-[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No.
 
 
How, then, would one trace ALL uses of a particular system service that  
sometimes is invoked via SVC, sometimes via PC, et al.?



Bill  Fairchild

Facts are the enemy of truth. [Don Quixote in Man of La  Mancha]

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Re: Storage Philosophy Question

2006-10-27 Thread Clark Morris
On 15 Oct 2006 15:47:50 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

   We are aware that our current DR ability is not very good or timely.
That's part of what we want to address with newer machines.
   If we do this, we're talking about the dasd mirror being across
campus or further. We're not in an area prone to natural disasters.
We're more worried about human (electricia, plumber) or fire. It's
currently viewed that our primary site is far enough from the vault to
avoid simultaneous disasters.

I thought most of the state of Washington has good potential for a
major earthquake.
   


Dave Gibney  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
System Programmer(509) 335-7359
Information Technology
Washington State University
Pullman, WA 99164-1222


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Re: Enhanced Catalog Sharing (ECS) Questions?

2006-10-27 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4, n/a
5. SAP use DB2 and/or USS so why should ECS cause a problem?.
We run SAP without any problems.

Set ALLOWAUTOALT(YES) for the SYSIGGCAS_ECS structure

Roland

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1. Are any of you running ECS?
 
2. If so, are all or part of your catalogs in ECS?
 
3. If part, are they catalogs which would not impact you if 
problems occurred?
 
4. If not running ECS, why?  Did you try it and have problems?
 
5. Have any of you heard that SAP has a problem with ECS?

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