date:20080109

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Rutledge
 
 Craddock, Chris wrote:
  I could have sworn there was a new keyword something like 
  STOPREGIONLOSS, to cause initiators to periodically recycle 
  instead of 
  giving S822 abends, but now I can't find anything about it, 
  so maybe I was just dreaming it.
 
 VSM CHECKREGIONLOSS in DIAGxx.

In which z/OS release did that become available?

-jc-

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Help with VM CMS Profile Files

2008-01-09 Thread Ulrich Boche

After a good number of years of abstinence, I've started again to use 
z/VM (mainly to maintain the RACF security of a z/VM hosting system).


When I was using VM years ago at IBM, we had a number of configuration 
files such as PROFILE EXEC and PROFILE XEDIT to customize the CMS 
environment. Especially, the standard appearance of the XEDIT editor is 
quite miserable for people used to ISFP. I remember I had a PROFILE 
XEDIT file that changed the XEDIT appearance to a look and feel much 
closer to the ISPF editor.


Is there anybody (left) who could provide me with good samples of 
PROFILE XEDIT and, maybe, also PROFILE EXEC?

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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman
 
 ---snip
 
 In Philly, we went that way back in the 80's.  My stepson 
 lost two years of math education when they dropped New Math.
 
 Then, a couple of years later, the school he attended 
 introduced clock math.  His mother and I were WTH is CLOCK 
 MATH?...  It took us a few days/weeks/whatever to notice 
 clock math was nothing more than a base twelve system of 
 math.  Base twelve, yeah, that'll get you a job.  The least 
 they could have done was use base 8 or 16.  Then the students 
 would understand compter math.
 
 After a year or so, they dropped that one too.
   
 
 ---unsnip-
 How many grade school kids can read a non-digital clock 
 today? I'm an anachronism among my friends because I wear a 
 watch that still has hands and a dial on it.

Same for us airplane drivers:  Traffic two o'clock, four miles,
eastbound, altitude unknown, closing fast.  Where to look??

-jc-

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VTOC Fmt6 (just curious)

2008-01-09 Thread Phil Payne

For around 18 months I supported a card input validation suite that ran on a 
24KB 360/25.

The backup system was a 360/50 under OS/360 MFT.  The code was all written 
quite deliberately
with this compatibility in mind, and it actually wasn't hard.  The DOS system 
used split
cylinders on 2311s and the OS system was file compatible - if the /25 died 
(which I don't
think it ever did, but the building power did on many occasions) the pack was 
carted up to the
/360.

We noticed that formatting this full-pack split cylinder dataset took AGES 
under OS/360.

It turned out that the /25 DOS system was stripped down as a single user system 
and the file
masks permitted all seeks within a cylinder - even to the other dataset.

The /50 set a file mask to inhibit all seeks - thus each track format cost two 
revolutions.

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SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread Phil Payne

Few realise the PCM mainframe industry was not only controlled from Japan, but 
that they also
had a strategy and defined routes to market.

NEC was told to enter joint ventures.  Fujitsu to take a large equity share in 
the companies
it dealt with (not just Amdahl - 419 companies in total) and Hitachi was told 
to stay in Japan
and use dealerships abroad. This explains a lot of the major design differences.

Alone among the three Hitachi had no control over site preparation, etc., so 
right from the S6
(AS/6 from Itel, AS/7000 from NAS) every machine was powered via 
motor-generators.  The S6
would survive a complete 0.6 second brownout, the S8 (AS/9000) 0.8 seconds.

Amdahl used similar technology, but bought them mostly from Pillar.

I had a customer in Aßlar, near Wetzlar - RZ Schulte.  They were plagued by CPU 
outages caused
by lightning strikes to the transmission lines in the hills.

I recommended an S6 because of its built-in motor generators.

About six months after installation, I sa a massive thundrestorm pass over his 
area - our
Frankfurt office was on the ninth floor.

The phone rang.

'Payne'

'HERR PAYNE - HIER IST SCHULTE!'

'Ja, Herr Schulte.  How are you?'

'HERR PAYNE, WHEN I BOUGHT THIS MACHINE YOU PROMISED ME IT WOULD NOT FAIL 
BECAUSE OF LIGHTNING
STRIKES!'

'True, Herr Schulte.'

'WELL, IT HASN'T!  BUT EVERYTHING ELSE HAS!'

I heard later he made the call from a darkened data centre, with every single 
piece of
equipment silent except the quietly humming CPU asking where its disks had gone.

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IBM LCS

2008-01-09 Thread Phil Payne

BM LCS was 8 microseconds, not 8ms.  As was AMPEX's first product - about the 
size of a 2821
or perhaps a little longer, with a stripe of pale lights down the middle of a 
long side.

Data chaining was an absolute no-no - sometimes even command chaining broke.  
It didn't like
2305s and I think _all_ DASD opens got buffers and built CCW chains in H0.

CDC also made a storage product that pretended to be LCS but cycled at the 
processor's 750ns.
It also fitted under the console reading board.

We had one of each (Ford of Europe).  Got some weird results from the charging 
algoritm.

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Re: Allocating Large SYS1.HASPACE

Ulrich,

I don't have a spare array to test this on, but how much do you loose in
creating PAV's in terms of usable space on the shark / performance /
internal memory usage in the shark...

Is 64  3390-3's such a bad thing considering the bottleneck on the
control block?

Regards

Herbie


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Subject: Re: Allocating Large SYS1.HASPACE

 I'm going to give the 3390-27 a try, on at least on my largest system.
I'm hoping to replace 64 3390-3s.

If you do go to -27 disks, please make sure that the DASD string(s) for
your
new SPOOL volumes are defined with enough PAV aliases available so that
you
don't get I/O performance issues.

Regards,
Ulrich Krueger

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Subject: Re: Allocating Large SYS1.HASPACE

Claude,

Thanks.  DSNTYPE=LARGE is exactly what I needed.

Skip and Sam, thanks for your input, too.  I'm going to give the 3390-27
a
try, 
on at least on my largest system.  I'm hoping to replace 64 3390-3s.

Thanks,
Dennis

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Re: Delete dataset nonvsam

2008-01-09 Thread Lizette Koehler

Helio,
If you do a 3.4 on the dataset and then use PF11 to scroll to the right, do you 
see anything other than blanks? 

DSLIST - Data Sets Matching TSO.LK41591.TESTRow 1 of 5 
Command ===  Scroll === CSR  
   
Command - Enter / to select action  Tracks %Used XT  Device  
---
 TSO.LK41591.TEST.DATA  3390
   

If so, then it is likely you just have a cataloge entry that needs to be 
uncataloged.  
If you add the volser that the data set is on, are there any details?

If you show device information, then using ISMF Option 1 (Data Set) is your 
best bet.

Lizette



I have several datasets nonvsam controlled by SMS that are uncataloged, 
they are lost on the disks, tried to delete catalogued and SMS does not 
allow. I am trying to delete the VVDS the disk using the job ..

//DELETE JOB...
//STEP1 EXEC PGM=IDCAMS   
//DD1 DD VOL=SER=VSER01,UNIT=3380,DISP=OLD   
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=A   
//SYSSIN DD *
 DELETE -
 EXAMPLE NONVSAM -
 FILE(DD1) -
 NVR
/*  

Get return code 0 and dataset is not deleted, the SMS is not allowing, 
someone I do know how to delete these data-sets

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Re: LSQA orphan storage

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rob Scott
 
 SVP ?
 
 And there is me thinking CC's new job title was Director And 
 Reseach Technology Head ...  :-)

Along with Vice Assistant Director Entomological Reduction, aka ORKIN
Man?  :-D

-jc-

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Re: A DADSM error while scratching a dsn.

2008-01-09 Thread Richbourg, Claude

Well, thanks to all that responded and yes, I deleted the dataset.

The dataset in question was a duplicate of a cataloged dataset. I
submitted the delete job after I had the user log off TSO. It worked
well, dataset gone. Evidently I did not dig deep enough to reason out
the codes.

But, I won't forget that one.
Thanks again to all who responded to help solve my temporary problem
child.

Regards,
Claude Richbourg

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Subject: Re: A DADSM error while scratching a dsn.

Claude,

These are in the DFSMSdfp Diagnosis Ref, under the appropriate DADSM
function. For SCRATCH (Table 61), I get

X'04'   X'0B'   ENQRET   X'25'   Verify DADSM SCRATCH request; enqueue
on
SYSDSN failed.

hth,

Richard Crook
zOS Technical Specialist,

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Re: help with IEBCOPY: selective load module copies

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:22:56 -0600, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

I think it somewhat depends on how sure you are that you have got all
the alias(s) and a little bit of how good the sysprog is.

I always applied fixes to the maintenance pack. 

In the case of MVS maintenance, my practice has long been to always clone a 
new target zone and apply the maintenance there, then schedule an IPL.

I then looked very
closely at the linkedit output and IEBCOPY and created the s m= cards
with the all the alias and primary names. I always checked twice or
three times depending on what module(s) were hit. I was extra careful
when the module was in LPALIB as I knew if I screwed up it would cost
an IPL. If it was in a linklist library I was careful but not overly
so as it might cost an abend but not an IPL (most of the time). I
*ALWAYS* made a copy of the library before the copy operation. Also
if it was in a linklist library I could always copy into sys1.linklib
in an emergency and do a refresh. 

For minor products, I still like to copy (clone) the target before applying the 
maintenance.  Then update the linklist with the new library.  I *never* copy 
into SYS1.LINKLIB just to get something to work.

At all time I was extremely careful
and if there was too many members I would set up an alternate respack
also I would schedule the IPL so I was on site. If I couldn't be I
would set up an alternate respack.  I was really careful and double
and triple checked items yea and sometimes quadruple. I was teaching
a jr. sysprog and one time I let him do it without my intervention
and stopped it just before he hit enter. We went over what he had
done and I showed him that he had dropped an alias and he was quite
embarrassed. I let him try a few more times and he got it right but I
insisted that he accompany me in at a god awful hour for an IPL. I
made sure he understood what could go wrong if he screwed up. He was
pretty good maybe not as attention oriented as I would have liked him
to be but he never screwed up and I let him fly solo a few times. One
major PTF came out for JES2 and so I let him fly solo, I didn't even
check on his work (well I did but he did not know it) and found a
minor issue that he forgot to copy over a haspsrc member. It was not
a show stopper in that it did not cause any IPL outage but it got the
libraries out of sync. The PTF went on the maintenance pack with no
issue and I stopped him as I did not want to have anything touch the
live system pack until we were both present (I am a little paranoid).
We came in at 0400 and proceeded to copy the hasjes20 module and then
he said OK lets go for the IPL  I told him NO and he looked at me
and I said before you do anything lets desk check. So we went back to
the desk and he looked over the SMPe output and said everything is
fine and I said no it isn't and he looked at me and said ok lets
check again. He did not catch the update to haspsrc I had to point it
out to him. Turns out he had never run into IEBUPDTE before. To get
this exercise overwith I had him copy the member in haspsrc over to
the respack and I said OK. We IPL'd without an issue. I gave him the
utilities manual and explained IEBUPDTE and told him that (at that
time) JES2 background and he got the proverbial light bulb above his
head.

It's good that you are so careful.  Your story illustrates why it is best to 
always copy the complete target every time.  As you know, my preference is 
to copy before applying the maintenance.  I know others prefer to copy after.  
I think that's ok, but copy *everything*.

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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

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 Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:21 AM
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 Subject: Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the 
 Software Engineers of Tomor...

 I just cannot resist. We moved to the US a few years ago and the other
 day my wife was talking to one of our children's teacher. They were
 making an appointment for a meeting and my wife said: ...so I see you
 around fifteen hundred hours The deer in the headlights look
 washes over the teachers face until my wife corrects the statement
 with - ...I mean I will see you at 3pm 

 Corneel Booysen.

I know the feeling. At my first job, I put the computer's time on UTC
and printed it in 24 hour clock time. When people learned that they had
to (1) first subtract 6 hours to find the local time, then (2) perhaps
subtract 12 to convert to a.m. or p.m., they threatened me with bodily
harm. In my emails, I still use a 24 hour clock, but use local time.
Luckily the rest of the people in my group understand 24 hour clock
(like if the number is  12, then subtract 12 and say p.m. - how hard is
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Re: zOS 1.9 IEANUC01

2008-01-09 Thread Bob Shannon

 Is my nucleus messed up?

Mine is: MODULE LENGTH  6BC5D0  --   6898K

Bob Shannon
Rocket Software

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Re: Help with VM CMS Profile Files

2008-01-09 Thread Martin Stone

I'm in the same boat, using VM again after about 12 years of not. I'm thinking 
about resurrecting something based on these profiles I used to use, which were 
still archived in an MVS pds created in 1991...

 BROWSECKDMJS1.VMEXEC(PROFILE)Line  Col 001 080 
 Command ===  Scroll === HALF 
* Top of Data **
/* MJS XEDIT PROFILE - COPIED FROM PROFMJS XEDIT BY PROFILE EXEC */ 
TRACE OFF   
IF QUEUED()  0 THEN PULL ZTYPE 
ELSE ZTYPE = EDIT   
SAY 'ZTYPE='ZTYPE   
'COMMAND SET MSGLINE ON 3'  
'COMMAND SET MACRO ON'  
'COMMAND SET CMDLINE TOP'   
'COMMAND SET CURLINE ON 3'  
'COMMAND SET SCALE ON 4'
'COMMAND SET NULLS ON'  
'COMMAND SET NUM ON'
IF ZTYPE = 'BROWSE' THEN DO 
  'COMMAND SET PF3 QUIT'
  'COMMAND SET PF15 QUIT'   
  'COMMAND SET PF4 QQUIT'   
  'COMMAND SET PF16 QQUIT'  
END 
IF ZTYPE = 'EDIT' THEN DO   
  'COMMAND SET PF3 FILE'
  'COMMAND SET PF15 FILE'   
  'COMMAND SET PF4 QUIT'
  'COMMAND SET PF16 QUIT'   
END 
'COMMAND SET PREFIX ON LEFT'
'COMMAND SET PF7 UP19'  
'COMMAND SET PF19 UP19' 
'COMMAND SET PF8 DOWN19'
'COMMAND SET PF20 DOWN19'   
'COMMAND SET PF5 ONLY ='
'COMMAND SET PF17 MJSF' 
'COMMAND SET PF5 REPEAT'
'COMMAND SET PF11 ONLY RIGHT 50'
'COMMAND SET PF10 ONLY LEFT 50' 
'COMMAND SET PF12 ONLY SPLTJOIN'
'COMMAND SET PF22 ONLY LEFT 40' 
'COMMAND SET PF23 ONLY RIGHT 40'
'COMMAND SET PREFIX SYNONYM R '
'COMMAND SET PREFIX SYNONYM .R. '  
'COMMAND SET PREFIX SYNONYM RR '  
'COMMAND SET PREFIX SYNONYM A F'
'COMMAND SET PREFIX SYNONYM B P'
'COMMAND SET PREFIX SYNONYM I SI'   
'COMMAND SET PREFIX SYNONYM LL L'   
'COMMAND SET PREFIX SYNONYM UU U'   
'COMMAND SET PREFIX SYNONYM HH H'   
'COMMAND SET SYNONYM COPY GET'  
'COMMAND SET SYNONYM BNDS ZONE' 
/*'COMMAND SET SYNONYM CAN QQUIT' - USE CAN.EXEC */ 
'COMMAND SET SYNONYM CANCEL QQUIT'  
'COMMAND SET SYNONYM F MJSF'
'COMMAND SET SYNONYM FROW MJSFROW'  
'COMMAND SET VERIFY 1 72'   
'COMMAND SET WRAP ON'   
ARG FN FT FM REST   
IF LEFT(FN,3) = 'MS0' THEN 'COMMAND SET CASE MIXED IGNORE'  
/*IF FT = 'EXEC'

Re: help with IEBCOPY: selective load module copies

2008-01-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:36:47 -0600, Mark Zelden wrote:

Not unless the input or output or both are PDSE.  See the fine manual for
details.

Hmmm.  So could one circumvent by COPYGRP from a PDS to a temporary PDSE,
thence to a destination PDS?  Weird.  And two trips through the Binder.

Exactly.  Even though I always carry PDS (PDS86) with me, I like to rely on
tools that are available everywhere.  This is in my tool kit:

Doesn't it kinda make you question the rationale for the restriction?
PDS can be used for either input or output, but not both.

Is there any reason this can't be done in a single step?

 //MYJOB   JOB (ACCT),CLASS=A,...
 //*
 //* TRICK TO USE COPYGRP TO COPY ALIASES FROM A PDS TO
 //*  ANOTHER PDS SINCE COPYGRP ONLY WORKS WITH PDSE
 //*
 //STEP1EXEC PGM=IEBCOPY,REGION=4M,PARM='WORK=4M'
 //SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
 //SYSUDUMP DD  SYSOUT=*
 //SYSUT3   DD  UNIT=VIO,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1))
 //SYSUT4   DD  UNIT=VIO,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1))
 //IN1  DD  DSN=SOME.PDS,DISP=SHR
 //WORK DD  DSN=amp;amp;TMPPDSE,
 // DISP=(NEW,PASS),UNIT=SYSALLDA,
 // DSNTYPE=LIBRARY,
 // SPACE=(CYL,(25,25,1)),
 // DCB=(LRECL=80,BLKSIZE=32760,RECFM=U,DSORG=PO)
 //OUT1 DD  DSN=SOME.OTHER.PDS,DISP=SHR
 //*
 //* MYPROG CAN BE AN ALIAS OR THE REAL LMOD
 //*
 //SYSINDD  *
  COPYGRP INDD=IN1,OUTDD=WORK
  S M=MYPROG
  COPYGRP INDD=WORK,OUTDD=OUT1
 /*

BTW, another broken reformatter.  Notice the unrendered
ampersand in the DSN= ...  It's broken in the raw HTML on
the website.

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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

2008-01-09 Thread CICS Guy

Probably executed a DIAG..grin...
 
-Original Message-From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed FinnellSent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:07 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software 
Engineers of Tomor...
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/8/2008 11:44:40 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
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Yeah, but they'll likely just steal the entire box. Which I would  stock
with poisonous reptiles. Oh, wait, that's illegal (man  trap).
 
 
 
We had just gone live with ATM's in early  eighties and one of the 
programmers was going to take a long weekend after  several 90 hour weeks. So 
wheels by 
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back to reveal all the freshly  stocked
trays. Well fortunately we had phones on the  things so he picked it up and 
says 'I think we have a problem'. Long story  short the Brinks truck showed up 
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Re: help with IEBCOPY: selective load module copies

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:19:27 -0600, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:48:30 -0600, Mark Zelden wrote:

Acutally IEBCOPY (we are at z/OS V1.7) has COPYGRP.  May fit the bill.

Not unless the input or output or both are PDSE.  See the fine manual for
details.

Hmmm.  So could one circumvent by COPYGRP from a PDS to a temporary PDSE,
thence to a destination PDS?  Weird.  And two trips through the Binder.


Exactly.  Even though I always carry PDS (PDS86) with me, I like to rely on
tools that are available everywhere.  This is in my tool kit:

//MYJOB   JOB (ACCT),CLASS=A,... 
//*  
//* TRICK TO USE COPYGRP TO COPY ALIASES FROM A PDS TO 
//*  ANOTHER PDS SINCE COPYGRP ONLY WORKS WITH PDSE  
//*  
//STEP1EXEC PGM=IEBCOPY,REGION=4M,PARM='WORK=4M' 
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*  
//SYSUDUMP DD  SYSOUT=*  
//SYSUT3   DD  UNIT=VIO,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1))
//SYSUT4   DD  UNIT=VIO,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1))
//IN1  DD  DSN=SOME.PDS,DISP=SHR 
//OUT1 DD  DSN=amp;TMPPDSE,
// DISP=(NEW,PASS),UNIT=SYSALLDA,
// DSNTYPE=LIBRARY,  
// SPACE=(CYL,(25,25,1)),
// DCB=(LRECL=80,BLKSIZE=32760,RECFM=U,DSORG=PO) 
//*  
//* MYPROG CAN BE AN ALIAS OR THE REAL LMOD  
//*  
//SYSINDD  * 
 COPYGRP INDD=IN1,OUTDD=OUT1 
 S M=MYPROG  
/*   
//STEP2EXEC PGM=IEBCOPY,REGION=4M,PARM='WORK=4M' 
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*  
//SYSUDUMP DD  SYSOUT=*  
//SYSUT3   DD  UNIT=VIO,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1))
//SYSUT4   DD  UNIT=VIO,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1))
//IN1  DD  DSN=amp;TMPPDSE,DISP=(OLD,DELETE)   
//OUT1 DD  DSN=SOME.OTHER.PDS,DISP=SHR   
//SYSINDD  * 
 COPYGRP INDD=IN1,OUTDD=OUT1 
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Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread Rugen, Len

Maybe a Mythbuster question, but could they really stop your watch?  

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Marchant
Sent: Wed 1/9/2008 8:04 AM
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Subject: Re: SEMI off topic

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:36:22 -, Phil Payne wrote:

... every machine was powered via motor-generators.

For those of you who might not know what that was or why, the processors of
that time generally specified 415 Hz three phase power to operate them.  The
utilities provide 60 Hz (in the USA) or 50 HZ.  AThe motor-generators have a
motor powered by the utility supplied power driving a generator that produced
the 415 Hz power.  These were quite massive units with considerable rotating
mass that acted as a flywheel.

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Re: Really stupid question about z/OS HTTP server

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
 
 But on the off chance that I'm wrong, I will ask anyway. We 
 use Windows as our desktop OS blech. One nice thing about 
 it is that when we go to a restricted internal IIS web site, 
 we are automagically logged on
 to the web site via the Active Directory trust mechanism 
 (as I vaguely understand it). Is there any way to extend this 
 so that when a user goes to our z/OS HTTP web server, they 
 can be automagically logged on to their corresponding z/OS 
 RACF id? We do use RACF on z/OS. We don't have any money for 
 this, so a product (unless it is 100% free-as-in-beer and 
 100% supported) is out of the question. Yes, this is really a 
 whine from the Windows people again about how unfriendly 
 z/OS is. I wonder if they whine about our Linux and Solaris 
 servers as well?

I *think* you could do that using digital certificates, but I've only
read that part of the RACF doc once and have not tried it (yet).

-jc-

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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

2008-01-09 Thread Corneel Booysen

I just cannot resist. We moved to the US a few years ago and the other
day my wife was talking to one of our children's teacher. They were
making an appointment for a meeting and my wife said: ...so I see you
around fifteen hundred hours The deer in the headlights look
washes over the teachers face until my wife corrects the statement
with - ...I mean I will see you at 3pm 

 

 


 

Corneel Booysen.


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Fochtman
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:41 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software
Engineers of Tomor...

---snip--

Oh, good, so it's not just me... ;)

For some reason, I do that all the time.  The look on their face says
it all.

At a local pizza place, they sell soup, pretty good soup I might add.
On the board it's 12oz, 16oz and 32oz.   I always order it by Pint or
Quart.  That gets them going as well.  Ah... a pint, that's 32oz,
right...?  No, wait, isn't that 16oz?

I know, I know, I'm an anal-orifice (tm).
  

-unsnip
At our local McDonalds, I once asked for McNuggets. Offered sizes of 8, 
12, or 16, I asked for a dozen.

Got the Deer in the headlights stare; she had to call the manager to 
decypher dozen.

Tell me about the dumbing down of America! :-(

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Re: zOS 1.9 IEANUC01

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:06:09 -0500, Mark Jacobs wrote:

I am in the process of applying service to zOS 1.9 before I build our
first environment and I noticed that the IEANUC01 module looks a little
small.

...

My link edits of IEANUC01 also are giving me lots (233) IEW2454W Symbol
xxx UNRESOLVED.  NO AUTOCALL (NCAL) SPECIFIED messages.

Is my nucleus messed up?

Probably.  I'd look at some of those unresolved modules and find out where 
they reside.  Maybe your SYSLIB DDDEF is incomplete.

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Re: help with IEBCOPY: selective load module copies

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:56:05 -0600, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:36:47 -0600, Mark Zelden wrote:

Not unless the input or output or both are PDSE.  See the fine manual for
details.

Hmmm.  So could one circumvent by COPYGRP from a PDS to a temporary PDSE,
thence to a destination PDS?  Weird.  And two trips through the Binder.

Exactly.  Even though I always carry PDS (PDS86) with me, I like to rely on
tools that are available everywhere.  This is in my tool kit:

Doesn't it kinda make you question the rationale for the restriction?
PDS can be used for either input or output, but not both.

Is there any reason this can't be done in a single step?


None.  Just the way my mind pictured it working when I wrote the JCL.

BTW, another broken reformatter.  Notice the unrendered
ampersand in the DSN= ...  It's broken in the raw HTML on
the website.


Just noticed that.  I post from the web interface.  I don't know what it would
look in the archives if I sent the double ampersand in an email to the
listserv.   Did you fix it for your post or leave it as it was?

Mark
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Re: LSQA orphan storage

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:07:45 -0500, Thompson, Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


VSM CHECKREGIONLOSS in DIAGxx.
SNIP

Thanx, I think this may be what we need to do.

And like I originally said, this is a 90% IBM Vanilla shop. We have NO
exits that are involved in this area. We know that RACROUTE create and
destroy are done in pairs (and IBM concurs, we do them in pairs). But,
the ACEEs are NOT going away in a timely fashion along with some other
C/Bs which we have no control over.

And should the job be cancelled in the same INIT about 3 times, we have
seen where there is LESS than .5M of available PVT. The rest of the
below the line storage is all consumed in LSQA subpools!!


These aren't CA-Endevor jobs by any chance, are they?   

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Re: SEMI off topic

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:36:22 -, Phil Payne wrote:

... every machine was powered via motor-generators.

For those of you who might not know what that was or why, the processors of 
that time generally specified 415 Hz three phase power to operate them.  The 
utilities provide 60 Hz (in the USA) or 50 HZ.  AThe motor-generators have a 
motor powered by the utility supplied power driving a generator that produced 
the 415 Hz power.  These were quite massive units with considerable rotating 
mass that acted as a flywheel.

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zOS 1.9 IEANUC01

2008-01-09 Thread Mark Jacobs

I am in the process of applying service to zOS 1.9 before I build our
first environment and I noticed that the IEANUC01 module looks a little
small.

IEANUC01 -  00030738

my z/OS 1.7 and 1.8 environments have a more reasonable IEANUC01 size,
006A9EE0 for 1.7.

My link edits of IEANUC01 also are giving me lots (233) IEW2454W Symbol
xxx UNRESOLVED.  NO AUTOCALL (NCAL) SPECIFIED messages.

Is my nucleus messed up?

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Tampa, FL


Riley: Find the next number in the sequence: 313, 331, 367, ...? what?

The Doctor: 379. It's a sequence of happy primes, 379.

Martha: Happy what?

The Doctor: Just enter it!

Riley: Are you sure? We only get one chance.

The Doctor: Any number that reduces to one when you take the sum of 
the square of its digits and continue iterating until it yields 1 is 
a happy number, any number that doesn't, isn't. A happy prime is 
both happy and prime. 

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Re: Really stupid question about z/OS HTTP server

2008-01-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John) writes:
But on the off chance that I'm wrong, I will ask anyway. We use
Windows as our desktop OS blech. One nice thing about it is that
when we go to a restricted internal IIS web site, we are automagically
logged on to the web site via the Active Directory trust mechanism
(as I vaguely understand it). Is there any way to extend this so that
when a user goes to our z/OS HTTP web server, they can be
automagically logged on to their corresponding z/OS RACF id? We do use
RACF on z/OS. We don't have any money for this, so a product (unless
it is 100% free-as-in-beer and 100% supported) is out of the
question. Yes, this is really a whine from the Windows people again
about how unfriendly z/OS is. I wonder if they whine about our Linux
and Solaris servers as well?

can you say kerberos? ...

some windows references:
http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/b748fb3f-dbf0-4b01-9b22-be14a8b4ae101033.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/security/kerberos/default.mspx

some ibm references
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246540.html?Open
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/dzichelp/v2r2/topic/com.ibm.db29.doc.admin/db2z_establishkerberosthruracf.htm
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/racf/pdf/share_03_2001_racf_kerberos_windows.pdf
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/racf/kmigrate.html

and then there is stuff like:

IBM CICS RACF Security and Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Security
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463146.aspx

kerberos was originally developed a MIT's Project Athena ...and then
became internet standard (GSS) ... and has been adopted by quite a
few infrastructures for authentication interoperability

... from my rfc index
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm

select Term (term-RFC#) in the RFCs listed by section,
and then select GSS in Acryonym fastpath ... i.e.

generic security service (GSS)
see also network services , security
5021 4768 4757 4752 4559 4557 4556 4537 4462 4430 4402 4401 4178 4121
4120 3962 3961 3645 3244 3129 2942 2853 2744 2743 2712 2623 2479 2478
2203 2078 2025 1964 1961 1510 1509 1508 1411

...

selecting RFC number brings up the corresponding summary in the lower
frame ... i.e.

5021 PS
Extended Kerberos Version 5 Key Distribution Center (KDC) Exchanges
over TCP, Josefsson S., 2007/08/17 (7pp) (.txt=13431) (Updates 4120)
(Refs 4120) (was draft-ietf-krb-wg-tcp-expansion-02.txt)

...

and selecting the .txt=nnn filed (in rfc summary) retrieves the
actual RFC.

misc. past posts mentioning kerberos and/or pk-init
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#kerberos

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Really stupid question about z/OS HTTP server

But on the off chance that I'm wrong, I will ask anyway. We use Windows
as our desktop OS blech. One nice thing about it is that when we go
to a restricted internal IIS web site, we are automagically logged on
to the web site via the Active Directory trust mechanism (as I vaguely
understand it). Is there any way to extend this so that when a user goes
to our z/OS HTTP web server, they can be automagically logged on to
their corresponding z/OS RACF id? We do use RACF on z/OS. We don't have
any money for this, so a product (unless it is 100% free-as-in-beer and
100% supported) is out of the question. Yes, this is really a whine from
the Windows people again about how unfriendly z/OS is. I wonder if
they whine about our Linux and Solaris servers as well?

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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

2008-01-09 Thread Pommier, Rex R.

-snip
At our local McDonalds, I once asked for McNuggets. Offered sizes of 8,
12, or 16, I asked for a dozen.

Got the Deer in the headlights stare; she had to call the manager to
decypher dozen.

Tell me about the dumbing down of America! :-(

--unsnip


Not dumbing down but I'm going through a similar situation.  Went out
and bought a digital clock and hung it on the wall here at work.  It is
a block of LEDs that shows the time in binary coded decimal.  Talk about
the deer in the headlights look when I look at a bunch of blinking
lights and tell them what time it is!

And don't get me started on having to explain to a network admin what a
Julian date is.

Rex

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Re: LSQA orphan storage

2008-01-09 Thread Brian Peterson

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:07:45 -0500, Thompson, Steve wrote:

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Rutledge
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:52 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: LSQA orphan storage

Craddock, Chris wrote:
 I could have sworn there was a new keyword something like
 STOPREGIONLOSS, to cause initiators to periodically recycle instead of

 giving S822 abends, but now I can't find anything about it, so maybe I

 was just dreaming it.

VSM CHECKREGIONLOSS in DIAGxx.
SNIP

Thanx, I think this may be what we need to do.

We used to have chronic ABEND822 problems in our batch cycle.  Ever since I 
implemented
 VSM CHECKREGIONLOSS(500K,5M)  
the problems have simply gone away.  Inits periodically silently shut down and 
restart themselves, as needed.

Very cool.

Brian

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Re: LSQA orphan storage

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Rutledge
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:52 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: LSQA orphan storage

Craddock, Chris wrote:
 I could have sworn there was a new keyword something like 
 STOPREGIONLOSS, to cause initiators to periodically recycle instead of

 giving S822 abends, but now I can't find anything about it, so maybe I

 was just dreaming it.

VSM CHECKREGIONLOSS in DIAGxx.
SNIP

Thanx, I think this may be what we need to do. 

And like I originally said, this is a 90% IBM Vanilla shop. We have NO
exits that are involved in this area. We know that RACROUTE create and
destroy are done in pairs (and IBM concurs, we do them in pairs). But,
the ACEEs are NOT going away in a timely fashion along with some other
C/Bs which we have no control over.

And should the job be cancelled in the same INIT about 3 times, we have
seen where there is LESS than .5M of available PVT. The rest of the
below the line storage is all consumed in LSQA subpools!!

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Really stupid question about z/OS HTTP server

2008-01-09 Thread R.S.


McKown, John wrote:

But on the off chance that I'm wrong, I will ask anyway. We use Windows
as our desktop OS blech. One nice thing about it is that when we go
to a restricted internal IIS web site, we are automagically logged on
to the web site via the Active Directory trust mechanism (as I vaguely
understand it). Is there any way to extend this so that when a user goes
to our z/OS HTTP web server, they can be automagically logged on to
their corresponding z/OS RACF id? We do use RACF on z/OS. We don't have
any money for this, so a product (unless it is 100% free-as-in-beer and
100% supported) is out of the question. Yes, this is really a whine from
the Windows people again about how unfriendly z/OS is. I wonder if
they whine about our Linux and Solaris servers as well?


I believe the mechanism, you described works *only* on IIS + MS IE.
When you try to use Firefox instead, you'll get logon required window, 
and possibly the service won't work properly. Been there.
So (assuming the above is the case), any other webserver won't work in 
the same manner. And any browser.



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Re: help with IEBCOPY: selective load module copies

2008-01-09 Thread Jack Kelly

I don't want to disagree with anyone but it looks like 'copygrp' works 
just fine with a PDS. All of the examples in  the book talk about PDSE but 
there doesn't seem to be any restriction(s) mentioned. I ran a test and it 
works OK, on a 1.7 system.

Jack Kelly
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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

2008-01-09 Thread Michael Saraco

If you want your children to actually learn you have send them to a 
private school or home school them. The dumbing down of America is prof 
liberalism does not work and that the government has no ideal how to 
educate anyone. there are a few communities that still have public schools 
that still teach and the ACLU has not scared yet. I have only seen those 
in a few small southern towns. They actually still say the pledge of 
allegiance and a prayer.
 
Michael Saraco
Systems Consultant
Baer Consulting, Inc.
Work - 507-526-2566
Cell- 507-525-0530



From:
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To:
IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Date:
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Subject:
Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of 
Tomor...



-snip
At our local McDonalds, I once asked for McNuggets. Offered sizes of 8,
12, or 16, I asked for a dozen.

Got the Deer in the headlights stare; she had to call the manager to
decypher dozen.

Tell me about the dumbing down of America! :-(

--unsnip


Not dumbing down but I'm going through a similar situation.  Went out
and bought a digital clock and hung it on the wall here at work.  It is
a block of LEDs that shows the time in binary coded decimal.  Talk about
the deer in the headlights look when I look at a bunch of blinking
lights and tell them what time it is!

And don't get me started on having to explain to a network admin what a
Julian date is.

Rex

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Re: Really stupid question about z/OS HTTP server

2008-01-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chase, John) writes:
 I *think* you could do that using digital certificates, but I've only
 read that part of the RACF doc once and have not tried it (yet).

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#53 Really stupid question about z/OS HTTP 
server

base infrastructure for all of this has been Kerberos. It was originally
developed at MIT's project athena ... which as equally funded by DEC and
IBM ... and so we got to go by project athena for periodic project
revues.

originally kerberos was purely password (aka shared-secret)
authentication. however, passwords can be evesdropped and reused
... being shared-secret, the same value is used for both originating
authentication and validating authentication ... which leads
to lots of vulnerabilities and operational problems (including
what happens when humans have to deal with scores or hundreds
of unique passwords)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#secrets

public keys and digital signatures were originally proposed as
addressing some of the short-comings of shared-secret infrastructures.
first, there is different value for generating authentication
information and validating authentication. this can address enormously
growing problems with having to manage large number of unique passwords
(security 101 typically requires unique passwords for unique security
domains as countermeasure to cross-domain attacks ... which is no longer
necessary in public key environment).

the original draft of pk-init for kerberos ... simply used public keys
and digital signatures ... in lieu of passwords for authentication.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#kerberos

in purely certificate-less environment
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#certless

however, a variety of public key operation has evolved with include
something called digital certificates ... and digital certificate mode
of operation was eventually also added to the kerberos pk-init draft.

digital certificates were developed to address the scenario involving
first time interaction between complete strangers (aka the letters of
credit/introduction from the sailing ship days ... when the relying
party had no other means of obtaining information in first time
interaction with complete strangers). The purpose of the digital
certificates is to carry certified information regarding total
strangers that can't be obtained any other way.

the issue in all the major institutional authentication scenarios is
that digital certificates are redundant and superfluous ... especially
in employer/employee scenario ... since it is rarely the case that an
employer is rarely dealing with an employee as a total stranger.  in a
real digital certificate scenario use for (kerberos) authentication, a
total stranger ... that is not otherwise known and/or for which there is
absolutely no prior information ... is allowed authorized access to the
system ... aka nominally the purpose of the digital certificate paradigm
is to carry the information about what the person is allowed to do
... and there is no requirement to have any predefined (system)
information regarding the individual (and/or what they are allowed or
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Re: help with IEBCOPY: selective load module copies

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:28:28 -0500, Jack Kelly wrote:

I don't want to disagree with anyone but it looks like 'copygrp' works
just fine with a PDS. All of the examples in  the book talk about PDSE but
there doesn't seem to be any restriction(s) mentioned. I ran a test and it
works OK, on a 1.7 system.

Did your test specify a member that has an alias and also copy the alias?  (Or 
specify an alias and pick up the member that has that alias?)  I see this in 
3.2.8 Copying Program Objects (COPYGRP Statement):

 If neither data set is a PDSE, the request is treated the as a COPY operation 
subject to the syntax requirements of COPYGRP.

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Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread Ed Gould


On Jan 9, 2008, at 6:08 AM, R.S. wrote:


Paul Gilmartin wrote:
[...]

The phrase was even for a second or two.  The article makes it
pretty clear that the flywheels run all the time and there is zero
interruption.


Back to the future. Flywheels were in use in 60's. Not in IT, but  
in industries, i.e. in yarn productions (synthetic fibres). long  
before UPSes.
IMHO nowadays it is pointless. Modern diesel engines start in few  
(i.e. 4) seconds. Those engines are heated constantly (using  
electrical power). Flywheel is heavy, consumes energy, it wears,  
last but not least: it is dangerous. In the old days it was mounted  
in a bunker, rather underground.


For computer equipment there is no difference between 4 seconds and  
0.5-1 second. UPS is a must for switching time.







R.S.


its been an interesting discussion. Thanks all for contributing. One  
question remains in my mind though what is the allowable time power  
maybe interrupted to a CPU ? 1 NS (nanosecond) ? or 0 NS? or ? As I  
said in my original piece I am not familiar with UPS's and could some  
one come up with a current answer? If the answer is it depends that  
would be nice to know that, as well. Thanks.


Ed

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Re: Old habits with new DS6000 and DS8000

2008-01-09 Thread Dan Squillace

I think your argument is even more compelling with the advent of Storage pool 
striping (rotate extents) in Version 1 Release 3 of the DS8100 microcode.  
Here's an excerpt from the Introduction and Planning Guide available at

http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=ssg1S7001073aid=1


Storage pool striping is now supported on the DS8000 series, providing 
improved performance. The storage pool striping function stripes new volumes 
across all ranks of an extent pool. The striped volume layout reduces 
administration that is required to balance system loads. With storage pool 
striping support, the system automatically performs close to highest 
efficiency, requiring little or no administration. The effectiveness of 
performance management tools is also enhanced, because imbalances tend to occur 
as isolated problems. When performance administration is required, it is 
applied more precisely. Storage pool striping can be managed and configured via 
the DS Storage Manager, DS CLI, and DS Open API. The storage pool striping 
function is provided with the DS8000 series at no additional charge.

This no-charge feature became available late December 2007.


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Re: LSQA orphan storage

2008-01-09 Thread Burrell, C. Todd (CDC/OCOO/ITSO) (CTR)

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:07:45 -0500, Thompson, Steve wrote:

And like I originally said, this is a 90% IBM Vanilla shop. We have NO
exits that are involved in this area.

No exits that run in the address space?  you are sure?  Not even SMF exits?

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Re: ZEKE Job scheduler

It's been MANY years since I worked with Zeke, but I remember that it
had some nice batch utilities where you could pull things off the
schedule and add them back.  So you should be able to pull off all the K
jobs, edit the input, and then put the jobs back out there as Z jobs.
You may need to do a little REXX magic for the editing, but that should
not be too hard.  

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Anyone familiar with ASG ZEKE job scheduler?  We have a production Job
scheduler and two test job scheduler.  We setup different jobs schedules
by changing the first prefix of the job.  Does anyone know of an easy
way to duplicate a large amount of jobs or a schedule?  For example, if
we have 100 jobs that start with K and we want to copy them all to job
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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

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[snip]

 And don't get me started on having to explain to a network 
 admin what a
 Julian date is.

 Rex

Do you truly mean a Julian date? Or what we mistakenly call a Julian
date, which is really just a year+day in year (yy.ddd).

ref:

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Re: LSQA orphan storage

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On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:07:45 -0500, Thompson, Steve wrote:

And like I originally said, this is a 90% IBM Vanilla shop. We have NO 
exits that are involved in this area.

No exits that run in the address space?  you are sure?  Not even SMF
exits?
SNIP

Do we really need to do this?

Let me just say that IBM wants us to change this program to run as STC
and not JOB. They want to wash their hands of LSQA cleanup in an INIT.

Regards,
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Re: LSQA orphan storage

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:07:45 -0500, Thompson, Steve wrote:

And like I originally said, this is a 90% IBM Vanilla shop. We have NO
exits that are involved in this area.

No exits that run in the address space?  you are sure?  Not even SMF exits?

--

When did this start happening? After an OS upgrade?  Don't user environment 
JES2 exits (52,53,54 for example) run in the user's address space also.  Any 
of those?

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Re: Really stupid question about z/OS HTTP server

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  But on the off chance that I'm wrong, I will ask anyway. We 
  use Windows as our desktop OS blech. One nice thing about 
  it is that when we go to a restricted internal IIS web site, 
  we are automagically logged on
  to the web site via the Active Directory trust mechanism 
  (as I vaguely understand it). Is there any way to extend this 
  so that when a user goes to our z/OS HTTP web server, they 
  can be automagically logged on to their corresponding z/OS 
  RACF id? We do use RACF on z/OS. We don't have any money for 
  this, so a product (unless it is 100% free-as-in-beer and 
  100% supported) is out of the question. Yes, this is really a 
  whine from the Windows people again about how unfriendly 
  z/OS is. I wonder if they whine about our Linux and Solaris 
  servers as well?

 I *think* you could do that using digital certificates, but I've only
 read that part of the RACF doc once and have not tried it (yet).

 -jc-

I don't know anything about those. Time to get into the books. Thanks
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Re: help with IEBCOPY: selective load module copies

2008-01-09 Thread Ed Gould


On Jan 9, 2008, at 7:54 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:

SnIP--


It's good that you are so careful.  Your story illustrates why it  
is best to
always copy the complete target every time.  As you know, my  
preference is
to copy before applying the maintenance.  I know others prefer to  
copy after.

I think that's ok, but copy *everything*.

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Tom:

Point taken. What I didn't mention in the item was that the company I  
worked for was extremely short  in DASD volumes (yes real 3390's or  
3380's). I had to beg for everything. Hell I could NOT even order  
copies of manuals for the other sysprogs (I had to end up copying the  
manuals by hand in a XEROX machine). I had to make due with what I  
was given. When ever budget time came around I always had a list of  
must haves and kept getting turned down even when planning a year  
ahead of time. The VP was a real jerk when it came to spending money.  
In a meeting I told him the things I had to do so I could get around  
his penny pinching ways. He said good I had something to keep me  
busy. I even suggested that an outage could occur because of a  
mistake and got back well I better not make any mistakes then.


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Console

2008-01-09 Thread Ron Wells

wrong subject .

- Forwarded by Ron Wells/AGFS/AGFin on 01/09/2008 10:28 AM -

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Anyone have recomendations on console consolidation...
I have ICC project started...but looking at something that I can use (1) 
keyboard with many monitors..

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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

2008-01-09 Thread Veilleux, Jon L

Michael Saraco wrote:
 If you want your children to actually learn you have send them to a
private school or home school them. The dumbing down of America is
prof liberalism does not work and that the government has no ideal how
to educate anyone. there are a few communities that still have public
schools that still teach and the ACLU has not scared yet. I have only
seen those in a few small southern towns. They actually still say the
pledge of allegiance and a prayer.


Michael, This is the wrong venue for political rants. The blame for poor
schools cannot be put on one set of people. It has been a group effort
with all political philosophies doing their part.  


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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

2008-01-09 Thread Pommier, Rex R.

If Wikipedia is correct, I stand corrected.  :-) 

I was referring to the year+day.  I have always referred to what
Wikipedia calls Julian date as a scalar date although that's
probably wrong too...

Although the same article in Wikipedia does say:

quote
The term Julian date is also used to refer to:

* Julian calendar dates
* ordinal dates (day-of-year)

The use of Julian date to refer to the day-of-year (ordinal date) is
usually considered to be incorrect, however it is widely used that way
in the earth sciences and computer programming.
/quote

so hopefully I'm covered since it is widely used in computer
programming.

Rex



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 And don't get me started on having to explain to a network admin what 
 a Julian date is.
 
 Rex
 

Do you truly mean a Julian date? Or what we mistakenly call a Julian
date, which is really just a year+day in year (yy.ddd).

ref:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_day

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Re: LSQA orphan storage

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mark Zelden
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On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:07:45 -0500, Thompson, Steve wrote:

And like I originally said, this is a 90% IBM Vanilla shop. We have NO

exits that are involved in this area.

No exits that run in the address space?  you are sure?  Not even SMF
exits?

--

When did this start happening? After an OS upgrade?  Don't user
environment
JES2 exits (52,53,54 for example) run in the user's address space also.
Any of those?
SNIP

It has been happening all along. However, during a stress test where the
program(s) being tested were cancelled and restarted, and submitted, and
cancelled and restarted, and...

We came to see that we had LSQA (below) growing. 

Now that we know what it is, we can even reproduce this on other z/OS
releases than 1.9  1.8. And it appears that we can do it with ANY
program if we can hold it to the same initiator (class selection handles
this nicely). The more complex the program, the more stuff doesn't go
away in LSQA if the program is cancelled. The creep is with IBM's
control blocks.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Console

2008-01-09 Thread Jack Kelly


Anyone have recommendations on console consolidation...
I have ICC project started...but looking at something that I can use (1) 
keyboard with many monitors..


ICC works well. I can have as many TSO or operator consoles as I can have 
3270 sessions on my PC. Of course that depends on the ICC setup and 
security.

Jack Kelly
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Re: Console

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 Anyone have recommendations on console consolidation...
 I have ICC project started...but looking at something that I 
 can use (1) 
 keyboard with many monitors..

 ICC works well. I can have as many TSO or operator consoles 
 as I can have 
 3270 sessions on my PC. Of course that depends on the ICC setup and 
 security.

 Jack Kelly
 202-502-2390 (Office)

I have been pushing SMCS consoles for those who need consoles at their
desk. Here, that is basically just the Production Control people. ICC
consoles would only be used for IPL or in the NOC itself. But we already
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Re: help with IEBCOPY: selective load module copies

2008-01-09 Thread Jack Kelly

See I should never disagree. I copied  the library and that was a stupid 
test. When I selected a member, it only copied the member and not the 
alias.
So again I've successfully proven that everyone else is right..

Jack Kelly
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On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:28:28 -0500, Jack Kelly wrote:

I don't want to disagree with anyone but it looks like 'copygrp' works
just fine with a PDS. All of the examples in  the book talk about PDSE 
but
there doesn't seem to be any restriction(s) mentioned. I ran a test and 
it
works OK, on a 1.7 system.

Did your test specify a member that has an alias and also copy the alias? 
(Or 
specify an alias and pick up the member that has that alias?)  I see this 
in 
3.2.8 Copying Program Objects (COPYGRP Statement):

 If neither data set is a PDSE, the request is treated the as a COPY 
operation 
subject to the syntax requirements of COPYGRP.

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Re: Purge all members from a PDSE

2008-01-09 Thread Ron Wells

Anyone have recomendations on console consolidation...
I have ICC project started...but looking at something that I can use (1) 
keyboard with many monitors..

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Re: Console

2008-01-09 Thread Ron Wells

I have the ICC in the works...problem I have is all the current 
(3270)monitors and keyboards

Trying to eliminate the all the keyboards we have per monitor...ICC 
project on hold...sort of..will not go into why...

We are remapping computer room and have since replaced older (memorex base 
units)3270's with flat screen...

What is getting in the way are the keyboards per 3270..

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Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread Rick Fochtman


-snip--

Maybe a Mythbuster question, but could they really stop your watch?  
 


--unsnip--
Depended on the watch and the MG set. Anti-magnetic watches were 
unaffected, but I lost a couple cheap Timex watches that way. The MG 
sets in question were for a matched quartet of 370/168's.


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Re: Purge all members from a PDSE

2008-01-09 Thread Clark Morris

On 8 Jan 2008 16:50:07 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Clark F Morris wrote:

 On 8 Jan 2008 05:12:03 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

 I thought the same thing. What exactly *do* PDSEs bring to the  
 table that
 PDSs didn't have or doesn't do?

 They do bring a number of good things like large load modules, the
 theoretical ability for longer than 8 character names and the ability
 to move forward.  They also bring the IDIOTIC idea that a library DOES
 NOT need to be accessible at IPL time and that access can be
 interrupted by a started task abend.  This carries on the tradition
 started by not being able to use locally attached SNA 3270's as
 consoles because locally attached SNA 3270's were only usable through
 the started VTAM task.

 Clark,

H since when can SYS1.LPALIB (or Nucleus or parmlib etc) can be  
PDSe's ? They *CANNOT* be last I heard or are you pre-announcing  
something? Or did I misread your entry? They can be in the link list  
and APF listed but AFAIK they above libraries cannot be PDE's.

So far as I know that is still true and thus my RANT.  After all
started tasks start some time after IPL 

Ed

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Re: SEMI off topic

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 -snip--

 Maybe a Mythbuster question, but could they really stop your watch?  

 --unsnip--
 Depended on the watch and the MG set. Anti-magnetic watches were 
 unaffected, but I lost a couple cheap Timex watches that way. The MG 
 sets in question were for a matched quartet of 370/168's.

And I don't know if it is true, but we had one in a data center on the
21st floor of a building. I was told that if it were to tip over
(impossible?), it wouldn't stop until it hit the basement. It was
supposedly on a specially reinforced section of the floor. But I don't
know enough to know if this is true or not. Makes me wonder how they got
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Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread Patrick Falcone

We had fail-over to battery then to diesel. You could hear the turbines on the 
Pa. turnpike a couple hundred meters prior to the Philly exit eastbound. I just 
googled and it looks like anywhere from 4 - 6 ms. 

Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   its been an interesting discussion. 
Thanks all for contributing. One 
question remains in my mind though what is the allowable time power 
maybe interrupted to a CPU ? 1 NS (nanosecond) ? or 0 NS? or ? As I 
said in my original piece I am not familiar with UPS's and could some 
one come up with a current answer? If the answer is it depends that 
would be nice to know that, as well. Thanks.

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Re: It keeps getting uglier

In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/07/2008
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There was also LCS (Large Capacity Storage, Low Cost Storage, bulk
storage)   in the late 1960s that could move a double-word aligned field
much faster than with regular storage,

Faster? It was an order of magnitude slower.
 
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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
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Arithmetic is a subset of mathematics and if one can't do basic
arithmetic how will they ever be able to get other mathematical
concepts.

Easily. That's like asking how they can listen to music if their fingers
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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/08/2008
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I'll agree to that, but without simple arithmetic, mathematics is a lost
study! 

Nonsense. It's far more important to understand numerical relations than
it is to be able to compute by hand. The schools have turned out several
generations of students who are innumerate but can do arithmetic by rote.
 
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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

In
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The point was Einstein could NOT do basic arithematic.

ROTF,LMAO! Snopes is your friend.

But, he was one of the greatest mathematicians of the 20th century!

Wrong again; he wasn't a mathematician at all, and spent most of his life
complaining that he didn't know enough Mathematics. He was, however, a
phenomenal solver of difficult partial differential equations.
 
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Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

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I was talking to a public school teacher in this area (Johnson County
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from New Math, using addition and multiplication table memorization
again, and requiring the use of pencils and brains instead of
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Re: Console

2008-01-09 Thread Ed Finnell

 
In a message dated 1/9/2008 10:29:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
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have ICC project started...but looking at something that I can use (1)  
keyboard with many monitors..



I wish I had the video of our Lan support  group who did this and the thing 
broke. So they had to go the really creepy  warehouse and scrounge compatible 
monitors in the middle of a 'full dark  moon'







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Re: Console

I had a look the other day at cord-less keyboards... Works with some
sort of infra red... I have only seen that work 1 - 1, never 1 - 2/15,
but I am sure that if you have your infra red from the monitor/pc
pointing in the right direction, so that you can only pick up one
monitor at a time, you can give each operator his keyboard with which
he/she can move around in the ops room and just put it down in front of
the screen he needs to do something on, and start typing?


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I have the ICC in the works...problem I have is all the current 
(3270)monitors and keyboards

Trying to eliminate the all the keyboards we have per monitor...ICC 
project on hold...sort of..will not go into why...

We are remapping computer room and have since replaced older (memorex
base 
units)3270's with flat screen...

What is getting in the way are the keyboards per 3270..

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Re: SEMI off topic

2008-01-09 Thread Hal Merritt

The flywheels in the story transition the load from a failed main to a
generator. The flywheel would carry the load while giving the generator
up to 15 seconds to start and stabilize. This is a UPS that stores
energy in a mechanical device rather than a chemical one.

Depending on the design of the unit, some switching may occur, but those
times should be well within the tolerance levels of the protected
equipment. 

Personally, I would think that the mechanical systems as described would
be much safer than battery based systems. Each battery contains some
really nasty chemicals and metals. At the end of the batteries' life,
the disposal becomes an environmental issue. Larger batteries use
'flooded cell' technology which translates to  concentrated liquid
sulfuric acid. Even nastier than the 'gel' cells used in smaller systems
where the acid is not in a liquid state.

Both systems consume power. The flywheel has to be kept turning, but
batteries have to be constantly 'trickle' charged. 

Our shop has failed twice due to battery issues. Once due to a bad
battery in the UPS, and once due to  generator starter batteries. 

Overall, IMHO, it looks like the TCO and environmental issues make this
technology well worth a close look. 

My $0.02

   

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Paul Gilmartin wrote:
 
Back to the future. Flywheels were in use in 60's. Not in IT, but in 
industries, i.e. in yarn productions (synthetic fibres). long before
UPSes.
IMHO nowadays it is pointless. Modern diesel engines start in few (i.e. 
4) seconds. Those engines are heated constantly (using electrical 
power). Flywheel is heavy, consumes energy, it wears, last but not 
least: it is dangerous. In the old days it was mounted in a bunker, 
rather underground.

For computer equipment there is no difference between 4 seconds and 
0.5-1 second. UPS is a must for switching time.


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Re: LSQA orphan storage

Rob Scott said 
 SVP ? And there is me thinking CC's new job title was Director And
Reseach
 Technology Head ...  :-)

Nah, only Mr Fagen (a.k.a. Luke) calls me Darth or Lord Vader but
this whole evil empire thing seems to be catching on...

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Re: Really stupid question about z/OS HTTP server

2008-01-09 Thread Ulrich Boche


McKown, John wrote:

But on the off chance that I'm wrong, I will ask anyway. We use Windows
as our desktop OS blech. One nice thing about it is that when we go
to a restricted internal IIS web site, we are automagically logged on
to the web site via the Active Directory trust mechanism (as I vaguely
understand it). Is there any way to extend this so that when a user goes
to our z/OS HTTP web server, they can be automagically logged on to
their corresponding z/OS RACF id? We do use RACF on z/OS. We don't have
any money for this, so a product (unless it is 100% free-as-in-beer and
100% supported) is out of the question. Yes, this is really a whine from
the Windows people again about how unfriendly z/OS is. I wonder if
they whine about our Linux and Solaris servers as well?



The mechanism used by Microsoft is proprietary to IIS and Internet 
Explorer. They do an under the covers Kerberos authentication.


IBM HTTP Server for z/OS only supports X.509 certificates with client 
authentication for a single sign-on solution. For practical purposes, if 
you don't already use SmartCards or USB tokens with certificates in your 
installation for the Windows domain login, the effort to get a solution 
with client certificates into production would hardly be worthwhile.


The good old HTTP Server is somewhat deprecated today, IBM has an Apache 
port for z/OS. I'm not sure if it is only provided with WebSphere or if 
you can get it outside of WAS. I don't know if Apache supports 
Microsoft's Kerberos authentication, I would be doubtful though.


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Re: Allocating Large SYS1.HASPACE

2008-01-09 Thread Hal Merritt

I would think that JES is something of a special case. It does I/O for a
living and I would imagine it has gotten pretty good at it over the
decades. 

For example, I don't really know, but it might be reasonable for JES to
manage device queuing internally and therefore not be visible to
ordinary measuring tools.   

Just a thought. 

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Ulrich,

I don't have a spare array to test this on, but how much do you loose in
creating PAV's in terms of usable space on the shark / performance /
internal memory usage in the shark...

Is 64  3390-3's such a bad thing considering the bottleneck on the
control block?

Regards

Herbie


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 I'm going to give the 3390-27 a try, on at least on my largest system.
I'm hoping to replace 64 3390-3s.

If you do go to -27 disks, please make sure that the DASD string(s) for
your
new SPOOL volumes are defined with enough PAV aliases available so that
you
don't get I/O performance issues.

Regards,
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Claude,

Thanks.  DSNTYPE=LARGE is exactly what I needed.

Skip and Sam, thanks for your input, too.  I'm going to give the 3390-27
a
try, 
on at least on my largest system.  I'm hoping to replace 64 3390-3s.

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Re: Help with VM CMS Profile Files

2008-01-09 Thread Ulrich Boche


Martin Stone wrote:

I'm in the same boat, using VM again after about 12 years of not. I'm thinking 
about resurrecting something based on these profiles I used to use, which were 
still archived in an MVS pds created in 1991...



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Re: help with IEBCOPY: selective load module copies

One thing that may trip people up with this whole business of copying
service from PDSE to PDSE is the prohibition against sharing across
sysplex boundaries. We ran into this in my past life when we started
really exploiting PDSEs. 

Our operations people cheerfully applied maintenance to PDSE target
libraries on sysplex 1 and then iebcopied the stuff into production
PDSEs on shared DASD on sysplex 2. The deliriously delightful thing was
that sometimes it looked like it worked and sometimes you got scrambled
eggs. I had to physically show them the page from the book that says it
doesn't work before they would believe it wasn't a bug in our code.

So all other issues aside, I would be extremely wary of any library to
library copy operation that even remotely smells of cross-sysplex
sharing.

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Re: Really stupid question about z/OS HTTP server

 

 

 



From: Van Dalsen, Herbie 
Sent: 09 Januarie 2008 05:07 nm
To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
Subject: RE: Really stupid question about z/OS HTTP server

 

John,

 

Not sure if this is what you are talking about...

I have the basic out of the box, no modifications, webserver running on
z/OS 1.6. when I enter the z/OS ip address in my browser, it
automatically gives me a standard windows server signon
screen(System_Logon) with which I need to sign on to RACF... 

 

 

Herbie

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  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John

  

  But on the off chance that I'm wrong, I will ask anyway. We 

  use Windows as our desktop OS blech. One nice thing about 

  it is that when we go to a restricted internal IIS web site, 

  we are automagically logged on

  to the web site via the Active Directory trust mechanism 

  (as I vaguely understand it). Is there any way to extend this 

  so that when a user goes to our z/OS HTTP web server, they 

  can be automagically logged on to their corresponding z/OS 

  RACF id? We do use RACF on z/OS. We don't have any money for 

  this, so a product (unless it is 100% free-as-in-beer and 

  100% supported) is out of the question. Yes, this is really a 

  whine from the Windows people again about how unfriendly 

  z/OS is. I wonder if they whine about our Linux and Solaris 

  servers as well?

 

 I *think* you could do that using digital certificates, but I've only

 read that part of the RACF doc once and have not tried it (yet).

 

 -jc-

 

I don't know anything about those. Time to get into the books. Thanks

for the thought.

 

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Re: help with IEBCOPY: selective load module copies

2008-01-09 Thread Ted MacNEIL

So all other issues aside, I would be extremely wary of any library to library 
copy operation that even remotely smells of cross-sysplex sharing.

Any cross-sysplex sharing in unsafe.
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Re: Purge all members from a PDSE

Yes, but if the started task that has a PDSE loadlib can loose
connectivity to that loadlib because the SMSPDSE started task falls
over... risky...

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On 8 Jan 2008 16:50:07 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Clark F Morris wrote:

 On 8 Jan 2008 05:12:03 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

 I thought the same thing. What exactly *do* PDSEs bring to the  
 table that
 PDSs didn't have or doesn't do?

 They do bring a number of good things like large load modules, the
 theoretical ability for longer than 8 character names and the ability
 to move forward.  They also bring the IDIOTIC idea that a library
DOES
 NOT need to be accessible at IPL time and that access can be
 interrupted by a started task abend.  This carries on the tradition
 started by not being able to use locally attached SNA 3270's as
 consoles because locally attached SNA 3270's were only usable through
 the started VTAM task.

 Clark,

H since when can SYS1.LPALIB (or Nucleus or parmlib etc) can be  
PDSe's ? They *CANNOT* be last I heard or are you pre-announcing  
something? Or did I misread your entry? They can be in the link list  
and APF listed but AFAIK they above libraries cannot be PDE's.

So far as I know that is still true and thus my RANT.  After all
started tasks start some time after IPL 

Ed

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Re: help with IEBCOPY: selective load module copies

 So all other issues aside, I would be extremely wary of any library
to
 library copy operation that even remotely smells of cross-sysplex
 sharing.
 
 Any cross-sysplex sharing in unsafe.
 It's an IBM desigh point.

That would be my point; That and the fact that not all of the situations
that violate the no-sharing rules are obvious to the casual observer.

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OT: loose vs. lose

2008-01-09 Thread Arthur T.


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 I'm sorry about this rant, but one annoying spelling 
problem seems to have reached epidemic proportions.  I'm 
afraid people are forgetting what they know and are just 
repeating the mistakes they see here.


Loose: v. Free from restraint
Loose: adj. Not tight
Loose: adv. Without restraint

Lose: v. Fail to keep or to maintain; fail to win

 They both have many other meanings, but they are 
*not* synonyms.


 I would never complain about the spelling and grammar 
mistakes of those to whom English is a second language, but 
many of these are coming from native speakers.  I 
considered a private e-mail to just those making the 
mistake, but I lost count.


 This rant was brought you you as a public service 
message.  (Make sure you're using the right words on 
resumes, cover letters, and any communication where you 
don't want to negatively impress the recipient.)  I now 
return you to the normally scheduled topics of how-to, 
tuning, and Intellectual Property law.


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IBM complementary tools

2008-01-09 Thread Anton Britz

Hi,

In Kathy Tyrrell's presentation at Share... Session Number 1020 on the 13 of 
of August 2007, she mentions the folloiwng complementary tools from IBM:

- CICS BAC  ( Cemt from batch )
- IBM session manager (Vtam and Tcp/Ip session manager )
- Workload simulator ( Application stress and regression testing)
- Vsam transparency ( Helps them sell DB2)

Question :

Is anybody using these tools and is this not unfair business practice..
Giving away software in order to KILL other software vendors ?

Anton

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Re: LSQA orphan storage

  VSM CHECKREGIONLOSS in DIAGxx.
 
 In which z/OS release did that become available?

My hazy memory says it was a last minute Jim Mulder special in 1.6 but
that could be completely wrong. I might have heard about it at a TDM or
over a beer. You would have to look in the books to see when it first
showed up in the doc and even then there's no guarantee it wasn't
lurking as an undocumented option before that. Jim will probably chime
in with the answer if he's watching.

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FTP options for CSI bitmap

I'm currently on a project to do any IMS version upgrade, and wanted to
order some service. The LPAR that I was doing the work on doesn't have
Internet access, so I created the CSI bit map and tried to FTP it to my
PC. My IBM-Link contact trioed doing an order, and it was rejected due to
an incorrect bit map. Presumably I used the wrong options on the FTP, but
what are the correct options? Thanks.
 
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Re: LSQA orphan storage

2008-01-09 Thread Ted MacNEIL

 In which z/OS release did that become available?

My hazy memory says it was a last minute Jim Mulder special in 1.6 but that 
could be completely wrong.

I think it was earlier than that.
I remember (I think) asking about it prior to 1.4, as to how it worked.
I never did get an answer.

Of course, I could be wrong.

(I thought I was wrong once; it turns out I was mistaken).
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Re: FTP options for CSI bitmap

2008-01-09 Thread Brian Peterson

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:40:37 -0500, Shmuel Metz  wrote:

I'm currently on a project to do any IMS version upgrade, and wanted to
order some service. The LPAR that I was doing the work on doesn't have
Internet access, so I created the CSI bit map and tried to FTP it to my
PC. My IBM-Link contact trioed doing an order, and it was rejected due to
an incorrect bit map. Presumably I used the wrong options on the FTP, but
what are the correct options? Thanks.

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It has always worked for me if I use BIN when downloading the bitmap from 
z/OS to my PC.

Brian

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Re: IBM complementary tools

2008-01-09 Thread Thomas Kern

I would like to see a free IBM Session Manager and a Workload Simulator.

Giving away software isn't usually deemed to be UNFAIR.

Trying to kill off your competition is STANDARD business practice.

Now if they do both unequally, such as offer you the session manager but not
the workload simulator because you are trying to buy a session manager from
compeditor X. And then offer me the workload simulator but not the session
mamanger because we have contacted compeditor Y about their workload
simulator. That is UNFAIR.

/Tom Kern 

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:51:52 -0600, Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,

In Kathy Tyrrell's presentation at Share... Session Number 1020 on the 13 of
of August 2007, she mentions the folloiwng complementary tools from IBM:

- CICS BAC  ( Cemt from batch )
- IBM session manager (Vtam and Tcp/Ip session manager )
- Workload simulator ( Application stress and regression testing)
- Vsam transparency ( Helps them sell DB2)

Question :

Is anybody using these tools and is this not unfair business practice..
Giving away software in order to KILL other software vendors ?

Anton

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Re: IBM complementary tools

2008-01-09 Thread Ira Broussard

 
I think you are confusing complementary (serving to fill out or  complete) 
with complimentary (given free).
 
Regards,
Ira
 
In a message dated 1/9/2008 11:52:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi,

In Kathy Tyrrell's presentation at Share... Session Number  1020 on the 13 of 
of August 2007, she mentions the folloiwng complementary  tools from IBM:

- CICS BAC  ( Cemt from batch )
- IBM session  manager (Vtam and Tcp/Ip session manager )
- Workload simulator (  Application stress and regression testing)
- Vsam transparency ( Helps them  sell DB2)

Question :

Is anybody using these tools and is this  not unfair business practice..
Giving away software in order to KILL other  software vendors  ?

Anton

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Re: OT: loose vs. lose

2008-01-09 Thread Howard Brazee

On 9 Jan 2008 09:47:26 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur T.) wrote:

Loose: v. Free from restraint
Loose: adj. Not tight
Loose: adv. Without restraint

Lose: v. Fail to keep or to maintain; fail to win

As bad as noone.

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Re: FTP options for CSI bitmap

2008-01-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:06:47 -0600, Brian Peterson wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:40:37 -0500, Shmuel Metz  wrote:

I'm currently on a project to do any IMS version upgrade, and wanted to
order some service. The LPAR that I was doing the work on doesn't have
Internet access, so I created the CSI bit map and tried to FTP it to my
PC. My IBM-Link contact trioed doing an order, and it was rejected due to
an incorrect bit map. Presumably I used the wrong options on the FTP, but
what are the correct options? Thanks.

--
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It has always worked for me if I use BIN when downloading the bitmap from
z/OS to my PC.

I'd surely expect that to work.  What checksum tools are available on
both platforms?  MD5 is widely used despite its suspect status for
cryptographic purposes, and readily available for almost everything
except z/OS.  I've compiled the code from RFC 1321 on z/OS, but only
as part of a slightly larger program.

-- gil

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Re: loose vs. lose

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Arthur T.
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: OT: loose vs. lose

X-No-Archive: yes

  I'm sorry about this rant, but one annoying spelling problem seems
to have reached epidemic proportions.  I'm afraid people are forgetting
what they know and are just repeating the mistakes they see here.

Loose: v. Free from restraint
Loose: adj. Not tight
Loose: adv. Without restraint

Lose: v. Fail to keep or to maintain; fail to win
SNIP

And now for the obligatory history post:

This problem brought to you by the School of Communications, UC
Berzerkely.

Also the ones that attempted to bring you Ebonics (indirectly as I
recall).

The thought being that one only needs to communicate. Correct spellings
and grammar are impediments to people being able to communicate.

 As a result, I keep wincing when my daughter tells me she wants to be
an English teacher, when she has serious problems with spelling,
punctuation, syntax, etc. And she is a Sophomore in college!!

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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removing a mgmtclas

2008-01-09 Thread SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Jim

We are wanting to remove some mgmtclas routines, but not sure how that 
will affect datasets that are still out there under that name ?  We are not 
just 
deleting the routines, but also the definition themselves.  Will this have an 
adverse affect on datasets that are still out there, or will they still 
function as 
before ?  Or do we need to do an ALTER first ?  

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Re: LSQA orphan storage

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Walt Farrell
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:12 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: LSQA orphan storage

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:07:51 -0800, George Fogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've only seen this behavior (ACEE and associated control blocks like 
CGRP) when a job does not issue a RACROUTE REQUEST=VERIFY, 
ENVIR=DELETE. I had to run a getmain trace to see what job was 
allocating subpool 255.  Found that it was an in-house application. I 
would thing RTM would clean the ACEE(s) up when the job was canceled.
George Fogg

I would expect some termination processing in the initiator to clean up
the address space ACEE (ASXBSENV), but probably not TCB-level ACEEs or
other ACEEs created by an APF-authorized program.  

The program that created those ACEEs is responsible for freeing them,
and for providing recovery routines that will do so if the program
abends or you cancel it.  Or the program could use a subpool that RTM
will clean up automatically.  If it uses the default subpool of 255 then
RTM shouldn't touch them as that storage is defined as life of address
space not life of job, and canceling the job leaves the address space
around.
SNIP

And after that program has issued ENVIR=DELETE? Whose responsibility is
it to get rid of them?

If RACF decides to cache them in the user's address space for some
period of time, but then the JOB gets cancelled...

And that is where we see this.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: LSQA orphan storage