Hiper PAVs

2008-03-12 Thread gsg
What are Hiper PAVs and are they better than Dynamic PAVs?

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Execution job class restriction

2008-03-12 Thread gsg
Is there a way to restrict jobs from running it a particular job class?  Is 
there 
more than one way and if so, what is the easiest?  TIA

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Delete noscratch

2008-03-12 Thread Mohd Shahrifuddin
Dear Lister,

I try to delete noscratch a dataset and found this error:

Environment z/OS 1.7.

VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 90 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLFO-54

Looking at the message manual reason code up to 52. What is reason code 54?

Thanks an advance who response.

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Re: Delete noscratch

2008-03-12 Thread R.S.

Mohd Shahrifuddin wrote:

Dear Lister,

I try to delete noscratch a dataset and found this error:

Environment z/OS 1.7.

VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 90 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLFO-54

Looking at the message manual reason code up to 52. What is reason code 54?


Mohd,
My hint: provide whole message. All meesages you got. The more 
information, the better.
If I knew the message number I would check it in manual. Without this I 
don't want to bother. Call me lazy if you want. g


BTW: I'm not so lazy. Just checked IDC3009I - no rsn=54. Possibly it's 
added through a PTF. Or I checked wrong msg.


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Re: Execution job class restriction

2008-03-12 Thread R.S.

gsg wrote:
Is there a way to restrict jobs from running it a particular job class?  Is there 
more than one way and if so, what is the easiest?  TIA


Yes. I don't know the ranking of the methods, but I would suggest to use 
exit IEFUJI with calls to RACF. You can even find free samples.



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Mike Poil is out of the office on holiday.

2008-03-12 Thread Michael Poil
I will be out of the office starting  12/03/2008 and will not return until
13/03/2008.

I will respond to your message when I return.

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Re: Delete noscratch

2008-03-12 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Mohd Shahrifuddin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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 Dear Lister,
 
 I try to delete noscratch a dataset and found this error:
 
 Environment z/OS 1.7.
 
 VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 90 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLFO-54
 
 Looking at the message manual reason code up to 52. What is reason
code 54?
 
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IBM has the policy these days to update only the current version of
the manual, so if 1.9 is current, the 1.7 manuals are often not updated.
However, our 1.9 manual does not have the reason code 54 either, so you
could check the 1.10 manuals or look for the APAR that introduced 54.

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z/OS 1.4 Running on 9672 CPU

2008-03-12 Thread Jason To
Hi,

I've just joined a new company recently and discovered that they are still
running z/OS 1.4 on a 9672-Z87 CPU with both central (2G) and expanded (4G)
storage defined. 

My question is - I thought that starting z/OS 1.2 and above, expanded
storage is all gone and running in pure 64-bit?? However, checking the RMF
report, I can see that expanded storage is being reported and use but not
much. Any reason why it is running this way? I thought the expanded storage
will just be ignored during IPL. Or is it because of the 9672? 

Regards,   
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Re: z/OS 1.4 Running on 9672 CPU

2008-03-12 Thread Ted MacNEIL
My question is - I thought that starting z/OS 1.2 and above, expanded storage 
is all gone and running in pure 64-bit??

Up to 1.5 (iirc), there is/was bi-modal support for z/OS.
So, 31-bit still works with 1.4.

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Re: z/OS 1.4 Running on 9672 CPU

2008-03-12 Thread Jason To
Hi Ted,

Thanks for the prompt reply. I have another question, if we have central 
storage constraint, can we increase the central storage to more than 2GB? Or 
should I need to do something else to be able to do this? I am not sure whether 
the 9672-Z87 allow 64-bit. 

TIA,
Jason

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My question is - I thought that starting z/OS 1.2 and above, expanded storage 
is all gone and running in pure 64-bit??

Up to 1.5 (iirc), there is/was bi-modal support for z/OS.
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NCACMG Seminar Thursday, March 13th 2008 System z Update and more

2008-03-12 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi,

If you are in the Metro Washington DC area Thursday you might want to
consider to attend the National Capital Area CMG.  NCACMG
http://www.ncacmg.org is a regional chapter of the national Computer
Measurement Group http://www.cmg.org 

Registration is open for the next NCACMG Seminar which will be our
System z
Update and more THIS WEEK March 13th 2008 in Tyson's Corner, VA USA!

You can pre-register on-line NOW for only $30
www.ncacmg.org/register.htm or you can pay at the door THEN for only $30
(Hey that is the same cost... Yes it is.)

The National Capitol Area Computer Measurement Group will have it's next
seminar Thursday, March 13th 2008 in Northern Virginia, USA at the Mitre
facility in McLean, Virginia and it's another great lineup of topical
material and outstanding speakers.

http://regions.cmg.org/regions/ncacmg/nextmeet.htm 

You can view the entire mailer online using Adobe Acrobat here

http://regions.cmg.org/regions/ncacmg/downloads/s03132008.pdf 

We had to keep the contents under wraps because we booked the speakers
under dark of night prior to IBM officially announcing the z10.  The
abstracts are a little generic.  The skinny is the System z Update is
all about the new announced or previewed content especially the z10
processor.

Harv Emery (IBM) will present a two part deep dive on the new IBM z10
processor. 

Riaz Ahmad (IBM) will review the news you need to know now about z/OS
including a preview of z/OS 1.10 as presented at SHARE.

Peter Weilnau (ISM) will present understanding the AIX Performance Data
in an IBM Power/VM Partition 

Virtually everything you might want to know about the seminar is listed
on our website www.ncacmg.org  and registration is wicked easy with our
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Attendees will also get a copy of the latest IBM Hot Topics a great
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If you need any other information, please take a look at our web site or
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Re: Execution job class restriction

2008-03-12 Thread Brian France

We do it with ACF2 resource calls just in case your an ACF2 user.

At 04:04 AM 3/12/2008, you wrote:

gsg wrote:
Is there a way to restrict jobs from running it a particular job 
class?  Is there more than one way and if so, what is the easiest?  TIA


Yes. I don't know the ranking of the methods, but I would suggest to 
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Re: Bob Richards Update

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Justice

That is excellent news, glad to hear it.


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Re: z/OS 1.4 Running on 9672 CPU

2008-03-12 Thread Ted MacNEIL
can we increase the central storage to more than 2GB? Or should I need to do 
something else to be able to do this? I am not sure whether the 9672-Z87 allow 
64-bit. 
 
You need to be on a z/900, or later, machine and on OS/390 2.10 (or z/OS) to 
run 64-bit.
Otherwise, you can only support 2GB of Central.

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Re: Delete noscratch

2008-03-12 Thread Burrell, C. Todd (CDC/OCOO/ITSO) (CTR)
From the 1.9 manuals:

54
Explanation: DELETE failed because the data set is being renamed but it
has not completed.

Programmer Response: Rename the data set with the IDCAMS ALTER command
and then delete it.



There were vertical bars beside this entry, so it was added via PTF
after the manual was updated...


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Dear Lister,

I try to delete noscratch a dataset and found this error:

Environment z/OS 1.7.

VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 90 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLFO-54

Looking at the message manual reason code up to 52. What is reason code
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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
03/11/2008
   at 01:30 PM, Eric Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

My first thought when I read Seymour's original post was that he was
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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
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   at 12:18 PM, Schwarz, Barry A [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

While all true, it doesn't address the question. 

Yes it does, because -(A-B) = (B-A); in particularar, (CDT-CST) =
-(CST-CDT).
 
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Re: Legal Issues with WEB

2008-03-12 Thread McKown, John
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 Anyone see this or run into such issues?
 
 What is your point?
 What does this have to do with MainFrames?
 
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use of Web technologies on the mainframe as well as on any other
platform. So it is not mainframe specific, but might impact some
mainframe users. And, since this is a patented technology, redevelopment
from scratch doesn't matter. A patent can stop you from using code
that you wrote yourself, if that code violates the patent. Software
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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Doc Farmer
Aw, the HECK with this.

I hereby declare that from now on, daylight savings is banned and all
clocks shall be set to GMT only, worldwide.

Signed,

Doc Farmer
Benevolent Dictator and Confirmed Horophile 
(stop snickering, I'm *not* a NY Governor)

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While all true, it doesn't address the question. 

Yes it does, because -(A-B) = (B-A); in particularar, (CDT-CST) =
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Re: Execution job class restriction

2008-03-12 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:10:59 -0500, gsg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is there a way to restrict jobs from running it a particular job class?  Is
there
more than one way and if so, what is the easiest?  TIA


...didn't we just answer this (not really..similar question)  :-)

Yes, there is more than one way.  

JES2 EXIT2/EXIT52, EXIT4/EXIT54 and EXIT6.  EXIT2 is the easiest out of those.

IEFUJV or IEFUJI SMF exit.  

In the past, I've used IEFUJI to make a call to an installation defined RACF 
class or the facility class to check for valid authority.  

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Re: Execution job class restriction

2008-03-12 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:55:44 -0400, Brian France [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We do it with ACF2 resource calls just in case your an ACF2 user.


You need an optional exit for this correct?  But ACF2 supplies it ... or
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MVS notes.I actually have one system that runs ACF2  ACF2/IMS ..
so I guess I could pick up a manual and find out.  

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Re: Hiper PAVs

2008-03-12 Thread David Andrews
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 02:09 -0500, gsg wrote:
 What are Hiper PAVs and are they better than Dynamic PAVs?

See: 
http://www.ibmsystemsmag.com/mainframe/mayjune07/focusonstorage/14208p1.aspx

Sam Knutson (not speaking for him, just reporting what I heard) said at
SHARE that his installation is standardizing on HyperPAV because it's
quicker to react than WLM PAV.

If you're a Linux-on-z shop, then you should know that HyperPAV support
has been submitted to upstream for inclusion in the kernel.  So soon
Linux will have PAV support too.

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Re: Legal Issues with WEB

2008-03-12 Thread Thompson, Steve
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I'm not familiar with the specific patents in question, but it should be
obvious by now that nearly all software patents are either stupid,
obvious
or both.   Big companies that hold huge portfolios of these stupid
things
trade them with other big companies to the net effect of building legal
barriers that prevent small companies from building and selling
software.
The end consumer pays more for crappy software while the lawyers clean
up.

Google your favorite software company and read some of their ridiculous
patents for yourself.
Here's a stupid one:  http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6981278.html
SNIP

I was involved in defending against a patent that had been granted --
the patent appeared to me to violate an existing patent, and what it
claimed I could demonstrate that NETVIEW had been doing for years.

The problem with these things are, once granted, the owner is presumed
righteous and all costs to quash it are born by the challenger. It then
becomes a form of legal extortion.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Recatalog a GDG - accidentally deleted the base

2008-03-12 Thread Sivakumar, Manikandan
Sam,

You can try creating the GDG Base and try to catalog. I guess it will
work. Good Luck ! 

Regards, Mani

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Hello 

Required help!

Unfortunately I deleted the GDG Base and I have 2 generations available.
When I try to browse or edit the generations I am not able to perform
anything. Can I recreate GDG base and try to edit? Will it works. 

Thanks.
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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Howard Brazee
On 12 Mar 2008 06:09:21 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doc Farmer)
wrote:

I hereby declare that from now on, daylight savings is banned and all
clocks shall be set to GMT only, worldwide.

Signed,

Doc Farmer
Benevolent Dictator and Confirmed Horophile 
(stop snickering, I'm *not* a NY Governor)

You've got my vote.

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SE2D U1477 Abend

2008-03-12 Thread Francois Guillez
On executing an IMS conversation I'm getting this abend:
SE2DCompiler noted E-level error in program.
Any idea what it means?

Thanks.

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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Rick Fochtman

---snip---
I hereby declare that from now on, daylight savings is banned and all 
clocks shall be set to GMT only, worldwide.


Signed,

Doc Farmer
Benevolent Dictator and Confirmed Horophile
(stop snickering, I'm *not* a NY Governor)
-unsnip---
I disagree. Let all HARDWARE clocks be set to GMT and use PARMLIB OFFSET 
values to adjust to local time.


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SV: SE2D U1477 Abend

2008-03-12 Thread Thomas Berg
In our MVS/QuickRef I found:

E2D   
  
Explanation:  A program requested an overlay. In answer to the request,   
the overlay supervisor was using program fetch to load a program segment  
from the library.  Fetch found an incorrect address.  
  
Note:  Overlay programs run only in 24-bit addressing mode, not in 31-bit 
   addressing mode.   
  
System Action:  The system abnormally ends the program that requested the 
overlay. The system writes an ABEND dump, if a dump DD statement is   
provided. 
  
Application Programmer Response:  Link edit and run the program again.
  
Source: Overlay supervisor

_
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 On executing an IMS conversation I'm getting this abend:
 SE2D  Compiler noted E-level error in program.
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getting gmake on z/OS Unix

2008-03-12 Thread Warren Taylor
Hi,
 
we are a group using z/OS Unix and have been given an HFS (USS?)
 
we can install gmake ourselves as per our z/OS sysprog
 
have downloaded and unwound gmake.pax.Z.bin from IBM and it looks to be EBCDIC 
already. The unwind created folders bin, share, info, and man and put all the 
data there.
 
the installation instructions from the IBM redbook say the following is the 
core of a script to (build?) gmake.
 

gzip - -d make-3.79.1.tar.gz | pax -o from=ISO8859-1,to=IBM-1047 -r   (already 
paxed and EBCDIC already, doubts arise)
cd make ( there is no make folder in z/OS Unix and the pax file I downloaded 
does not create a make folder, doubts increase)
export CFLG='-O2 -D_ALL_SOURCE' 
CC=cc CFLAGS=$CFLG CCC=c++ CXXFLAGS=-+ $CFLG ./configure
--prefix=$installDir
make
make install


my question really is how do I really install gmake. I have it unwound on z/OS 
Unix, just don't know what to do with it. I don't think the above script will 
work for me as the file I downloaded is not what this script expects to see. 
The MVS sysprog says we can install it ourselves but our userid doesn't have 
write access to root (/).  What do I do to get this puppy installed? Do I need 
to pay attention to the above scirpt? Or do I modify our .profile for the 
exports and issue the 2 make commands? 

I'm totally new at this and just need gmake for other ends. I wonder if I 
should create a script like the above without the first 2 lines and run that on 
z/OS Unix? I've had other feedback that said to just move the unwound folders 
(and data) down to root. One of those folders exist (bin) and the others don't.
 
anyone have more information or know where I can get more?

Thanks

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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Edward Jaffe

Doc Farmer wrote:

Aw, the HECK with this.

I hereby declare that from now on, daylight savings is banned and all
clocks shall be set to GMT only, worldwide.
  


I have no issue with time zones. But, I really don't like the 
semi-annual confusion caused by switching between Daylight Saving and 
Standard Time. Yes, it's been proved to save energy. However, it's also 
been proved to cost more in the end.


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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Tom Harper
Ed,

Actually, latest studies show it causes an additional one to four per
cent increase in energy use:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87991839

Tom Harper
IMS Utilities Development Team
Neon Enterprise Software, Inc.
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Doc Farmer wrote:
 Aw, the HECK with this.

 I hereby declare that from now on, daylight savings is banned and
all
 clocks shall be set to GMT only, worldwide.
   

I have no issue with time zones. But, I really don't like the 
semi-annual confusion caused by switching between Daylight Saving and 
Standard Time. Yes, it's been proved to save energy. However, it's also 
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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Fletcher, Kevin
snip 
 
I have no issue with time zones. But, I really don't like the 
semi-annual confusion caused by switching between Daylight Saving and 
Standard Time. Yes, it's been proved to save energy. However, it's also 
been proved to cost more in the end.

-- 
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/snip

Ed,

Here in Indiana we switched to day light saving time a couple years ago
and studies have shown our energy usage has increased. Not sure if we
just have not got the hang of it yet or it actually does cost more.


Thanks,
 
Fletch 
Sr. Systems Analyst
Conseco, LLC

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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Howard Brazee
On 12 Mar 2008 08:13:22 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick Fochtman)
wrote:

I disagree. Let all HARDWARE clocks be set to GMT and use PARMLIB OFFSET 
values to adjust to local time.

Better than nothing.   But in the U.S. lots of people are learning
ESPN time.   Maybe it will result in a country like China with one
time zone.

Your solution gets rid of most of our (in this forum) problems of
Daylight Savings Time (although not the fact that nothing is saved).
We still have report times with overlapping times in the fall, even if
time-date stamps are accurate.

I wish my clock radios have a button on it that synchronized the clock
to whichever station it was tuned to.   Maybe put a radio in my
Microwave oven to set its clock.   And when power is restored after a
black-out, re-set the clock.   

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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Doc Farmer
Uh, what part of Benevolent Dictator did you not understand?   ;D 

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---snip---
I hereby declare that from now on, daylight savings is banned and all 
clocks shall be set to GMT only, worldwide.

Signed,

Doc Farmer
Benevolent Dictator and Confirmed Horophile
(stop snickering, I'm *not* a NY Governor)
-unsnip---
I disagree. Let all HARDWARE clocks be set to GMT and use PARMLIB OFFSET 
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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Birger Heede

Rick Fochtman wrote:

---snip---
I hereby declare that from now on, daylight savings is banned and all 
clocks shall be set to GMT only, worldwide.


Signed,

Doc Farmer
Benevolent Dictator and Confirmed Horophile
(stop snickering, I'm *not* a NY Governor)
-unsnip---
I disagree. Let all HARDWARE clocks be set to GMT and use PARMLIB OFFSET 
values to adjust to local time.


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I think a PARMLIB OFFSET can only be a default to use for an application 
- in case the end user of a server based application has not (or can not 
!) defined her own default (or session based offset).


Birger Heede
IBM Denmark

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Re: Recatalog a GDG - accidentally deleted the base

2008-03-12 Thread John Kington
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Pushparaj, Samuel S
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:47 PM
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 Subject: Recatalog a GDG - accidentally deleted the base

 Hello

 Required help!

 Unfortunately I deleted the GDG Base and I have 2 generations available.
 When I try to browse or edit the generations I am not able to perform
 anything. Can I recreate GDG base and try to edit? Will it works.

 Thanks.
 Sam
Sam,
Do you really need the datasets back or just need to delete them? You
should be able to do a DELETE gds NVS with a FILE(dd) pointing to the
volser where the orphaned dataset resides.
If you need to get the dataset back, you need to redefine the gdg base and
do a DEFINE NVSAM(gds) RECATALOG to get each gds associated with the
recreated gdg base.
If each gds is not SMS-managed and is single volume, you should be able to
redefine the gdg base, use tso panel 3.4 to bring up the dataset in the
list and issue C on the operator line next to the dataset.
Regards,
John

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Re: GRS concurrent enqueue limit

2008-03-12 Thread Ed Holt
The QCB chain that was pointed of the RIBE has been removed in Z/OS R9 - 
RIBQCB. Any ideas how I can search the QCB's? 

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Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread John Mattson
Programmers have been deleting for years using BR14 (MOD,DELETE), and 
IDCAMS DELETE.  I am finding that we are spending ever more time on HSM 
Migrated ds being recalled just to delete them.  Is there an EASY way to 
convert these deletes into HSEND DELETE? 

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Paging Subsystem -- Comfortable Size and Configuration?

2008-03-12 Thread Chase, John
Hi, All,

In preparation for z/OS 1.9 we're re-evaluating our paging subsystem
configurations.  Currently we're using the same size and configuration
carried forward from time immemorial, mainly because it still works:
Three (3) page datasets of 2,000 cylinders each, with one in reserve
(available for PAGEADD) on each LPAR.

Now we're looking at exploiting some of the newer stuff that uses
above-the-bar storage (DFSORT's Memory Object sorting, for starters),
and I believe our current sizing and configuration will prove inadequate
sooner rather than later.  Right now our Development/Test LPAR runs
on a z9BC, with 4GB central storage allocated.  It does light to
moderate paging.  We also run our sandbox there, but it's
substantially idle most of the time.  The primary CF also lives on the
BC.

Production runs on a z9EC with 14GB central storage (the other 2GB are
allocated to the backup CF), and the same paging subsystem configuration
as above.  This LPAR currently does NO paging, but is the image we
believe would benefit most from exploiting Memory Object sorting.

What would be a comfortable paging subsystem configuration, especially
for the Production LPAR, as to individual size and (especially) number
of page datasets?

TIA,

-jc-


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Share your GRSRNLnn member?

2008-03-12 Thread McKown, John
With a poor, starving z/OS sysprog? [grin]

I'm still working on our MONOPLEX to basic sysplex. We have another test
this Sunday, but it is only 4 hours. And they expect it to be perfect.
One problem that I am encountering is that I am having problems finding
all the product documentation to convert SYSTEMS level reserves to
global enqueues. Along with which SYSTEM level ENQs need to be INCL'ed
in the RNL.

If you are willing, to email them to me, I'd appreciate any GRSRNLnn
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Re: WLM and DB2

2008-03-12 Thread Glen Gasior
IIRC DB2 SPAS may not be the best practise anymore with the latest versions
of DB2.


On 1/14/08, Gary Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is probably the wrong forum to post this but I know I'll be told
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 I am about to setup WLM for DB2 SPAS; I know, I know, it should have been
 done sooner...  Does anyone know if there are any gotchas that I should be
 aware of?  Perhaps a we did it this way type reference, etc...

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Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread McKown, John
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 Programmers have been deleting for years using BR14 (MOD,DELETE), and 
 IDCAMS DELETE.  I am finding that we are spending ever more 
 time on HSM 
 Migrated ds being recalled just to delete them.  Is there an 
 EASY way to 
 convert these deletes into HSEND DELETE? 

IDCAMS DELETE should automatically do an HSM delete. It does here (z/OS
1.8). As for the IEFBR14, well somebody will just need to change the job
to use IDCAMS. I don't know of any automated way to do this. Well, I
might be able to write a REXX exec which, when given the job, would look
for this special case and write an IDCAMS step to do it to replace the
IEFBR14 step.. 

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Re: GRS concurrent enqueue limit

2008-03-12 Thread Edward Jaffe

Ed Holt wrote:
The QCB chain that was pointed of the RIBE has been removed in Z/OS R9 - 
RIBQCB. Any ideas how I can search the QCB's?
  


I believe the intent of this change is to discourage customers and ISVs 
from looking at QCBs directly. (This allows them to be eventually moved 
into 64-bit storage.) You are expected to use the ISGQUERY service to 
obtain information about outstanding serialization requests.


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Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread Edward Jaffe

John Mattson wrote:
Programmers have been deleting for years using BR14 (MOD,DELETE), and 
IDCAMS DELETE.  I am finding that we are spending ever more time on HSM 
Migrated ds being recalled just to delete them.  Is there an EASY way to 
convert these deletes into HSEND DELETE?
  


I thought this happened automatically -- at least for the IDCAMS case.

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Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread William Bishop
The problem is that if you perfrom an IDCAMS DELETE and specify nonvsam, 
HSM does a recall.  Without the nonvsam, he does an HDELETE if the dataset 
is migrated.

I am trying to figure a way to convert my deletes without having to go 
thru a massive change process to remove the nonvsam entries.

Thanks

Bill Bishop

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John Mattson wrote:
 Programmers have been deleting for years using BR14 (MOD,DELETE), and 
 IDCAMS DELETE.  I am finding that we are spending ever more time on HSM 
 Migrated ds being recalled just to delete them.  Is there an EASY way to 

 convert these deletes into HSEND DELETE?
 

I thought this happened automatically -- at least for the IDCAMS case.

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Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread Tom Sipusic

John Mattson wrote:
Programmers have been deleting for years using BR14 (MOD,DELETE), and 
IDCAMS DELETE.  I am finding that we are spending ever more time on HSM 
Migrated ds being recalled just to delete them.  Is there an EASY way to 
convert these deletes into HSEND DELETE? 
CBT File 673:  A program called CCFDELET which will delete datasets  
using JCL.  In addition, CCFDELET will delete HSM  archived datasets 
without having to recall them.


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Re: CA-SYSVIEW

2008-03-12 Thread gsg
Are you saying that CA-Sysview can replace MQ on z/OS?

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Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread Adams, Rick
DTS has a product, ACC, that can handle these for you.  We use it and it
works great.  It cut out our recalls for BR14 deletes completely.

ThanksRick

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Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread Edward Jaffe

William Bishop wrote:
The problem is that if you perfrom an IDCAMS DELETE and specify nonvsam, 
HSM does a recall.  Without the nonvsam, he does an HDELETE if the dataset 
is migrated.
  


This sounds APARable to me.

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Re: WLM and DB2

2008-03-12 Thread Ted MacNEIL
IIRC DB2 SPAS may not be the best practise anymore with the latest versions of 
DB2.

For at least 5 years.
I would also recommend that you try the DB2 List, where the DB2 experts hang 
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Fw: SE2D U1477 Abend

2008-03-12 Thread Bill Klein
What was the E-level message (at compile-time)?

Given the other reply to the note, if it was a COBOL program with an error
related to SEGMENTATION - that would certainly seem relevant.  If so,
which compiler are you using?

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Re: Share your GRSRNLnn member?

2008-03-12 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:30:32 -0500, McKown, John wrote:

With a poor, starving z/OS sysprog? [grin]

I'm still working on our MONOPLEX to basic sysplex. We have another test
this Sunday, but it is only 4 hours. And they expect it to be perfect.
One problem that I am encountering is that I am having problems finding
all the product documentation to convert SYSTEMS level reserves to
global enqueues. Along with which SYSTEM level ENQs need to be INCL'ed
in the RNL.

If you are willing, to email them to me, I'd appreciate any GRSRNLnn
member you'd like to share.

 Please email them to me directly at
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in order to not clutter the list.


Aww

I'd prefer you share at least some examples with the list. I've got a z/OS 1.9 
upgrade project that is being held hostage by a vendor who refuses to support 
this recent of an OS. I might have to dream up a SYSPLEX structure to keep 
us moving forward.

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Re: Paging Subsystem -- Comfortable Size and Configuration?

2008-03-12 Thread John Laubenheimer
As a Rule of Thumb (and thumbs come in various shapes and sizes ... yours 
may vary):

1 PLPA dataset
1 COMMON dataset
4 (or more) LOCAL datasets

LOCAL datasets should peak at no more that 30 (or so) percent utilization, 
else the block paging algorithm starts to have problems (the probability of 
finding a block with sufficient contiguous free slots drops below .5)

With DYNAMIC (only) PAVs, you may be able to get away with 2 LOCAL page 
datasets, since you will get 2 addresses assigned to each dataset

Best to have the PLPA and COMMON datasets on separate volumes, 
sufficiently sized.  Next best (for a no-PAV environment) is a 1 cylinder PLPA 
and a COMMON dataset sized somewhere around 2GB (2000 cylinders is 
probably OK).  With PAVs, we need someone else to chime in here, since you 
probably don't want to assign 2 PAV addresses to a 1 cylinder PLPA dataset!

Note that HYPER-PAVs don't play in the paging subsystem yet.  Still awaiting 
word on this issue from IBM (Jim Mulder, maybe?).

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Re: Paging Subsystem -- Comfortable Size and Configuration?

2008-03-12 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:57:55 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi, All,

In preparation for z/OS 1.9 we're re-evaluating our paging subsystem
configurations.  Currently we're using the same size and configuration
carried forward from time immemorial, mainly because it still works:
Three (3) page datasets of 2,000 cylinders each, with one in reserve
(available for PAGEADD) on each LPAR.

Now we're looking at exploiting some of the newer stuff that uses
above-the-bar storage (DFSORT's Memory Object sorting, for starters),
and I believe our current sizing and configuration will prove inadequate
sooner rather than later.  Right now our Development/Test LPAR runs
on a z9BC, with 4GB central storage allocated.  It does light to
moderate paging.  We also run our sandbox there, but it's
substantially idle most of the time.  The primary CF also lives on the
BC.

Production runs on a z9EC with 14GB central storage (the other 2GB are
allocated to the backup CF), and the same paging subsystem configuration
as above.  This LPAR currently does NO paging, but is the image we
believe would benefit most from exploiting Memory Object sorting.

What would be a comfortable paging subsystem configuration, especially
for the Production LPAR, as to individual size and (especially) number
of page datasets?


John,

Have you reviewed chapter 2 of the system initialization and tuning guide?
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2E151/2.0?SHELF=IEA2BK80DT=20080119071214

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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
For a person who demands absolute precision and accuracy from others
(USS is not unix, directory blocks are not 256, etc), your insistence
that CST can be 7 hours off of GMT appears very much out of character.
Your attempts to justify this with algebraic gibberish are unbelievable.
Has someone hacked your account and posted this in your name or is at an
early start on April 1 postings?

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   at 12:18 PM, Schwarz, Barry A said:

While all true, it doesn't address the question. 

Yes it does, because -(A-B) = (B-A); in particularar, (CDT-CST) =
-(CST-CDT).

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Re: Share your GRSRNLnn member?

2008-03-12 Thread David Andrews
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 11:30 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
 I'd appreciate any GRSRNLnn member you'd like to share.

At the Orlando SHARE, Sam Knutson and Brian Peterson talked about their
RNLs in detail.  Here's a pointer to this great session:

http://shareew.prod.web.sba.com/client_files/callpapers/attach/SHARE_in_Orlando/S2819SK131543.pdf

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CATALOG Quesiton

2008-03-12 Thread John Dawes
Hallo To All,
   
  Is there a way of telling if a USER CAT is near full or full?
   
  Thanks.

   
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Re: CATALOG Quesiton

2008-03-12 Thread Jakubek, Jan
You may try to run KSDSPACE from CBT file 394 against the catalogue and
see what it shows.
Current z/OS catalogue support issues a warning message when a catalogue
approaches its extents limit. I do not remember the message/ details
though.

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Hallo To All,
   
  Is there a way of telling if a USER CAT is near full or full?
   
  Thanks.

   
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Re: Share your GRSRNLnn member?

2008-03-12 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:38:14 -0400, David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 11:30 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
 I'd appreciate any GRSRNLnn member you'd like to share.

At the Orlando SHARE, Sam Knutson and Brian Peterson talked about their
RNLs in detail.  Here's a pointer to this great session:

http://shareew.prod.web.sba.com/client_files/callpapers/attach/SHARE_in_Orlando/S2819SK131543.pdf

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Good stuff and may be helpful, but mostly not applicable to John's situation
(nor 
any one not running GRS star).  The rules are very different.   

John, since you said you are licensed for MIM, you can look at what 
they supply.  I don't think CA documents it any longer, but there used
to be a MIM manual that had all the recommendations for what you
should and should not convert - at least for CA products. 

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Re: Paging Subsystem -- Comfortable Size and Configuration?

2008-03-12 Thread Knutson, Sam
John,

IMHO You should try to stick with no paging even with memory object
sorting.  Buy more memory if you need it at $8K/G on z9 it's cheap and
getting cheaper on z10 at $6K/G I think.  If you are adding to your
above the bar exploitation and paging already that does not make sense
to me.

It may be overkill but I stick with a 1:1 space allocation in page space
to central storage.   That means some of our LPARs have 80GB+ of page
space spread across many storage processors 0% used. Page space is cheap
compared to explaining how you lost production with a WAIT 03C because
you saved a few DASD volumes of page space that would not normally be
used.  The idea you will ADD a page volume dynamically and resolve an
AUX STORAGE SHORTAGE won't work fast enough most of the time.  If we
have blown out the paging subsystem here and not resolved the problem
Standalone dump and IPL is probably going to be the fastest recovery.  

If you under invest in page space and don't consider insuring you get
enough bandwidth across multiple page data sets on multiple storage
processors it may not hurt till it kills you. You won't know you don't
have a robust enough paging configuration till things get all pear
shaped.

Remember you need to be able to absorb lots of pageable storage getting
paged out and do it quickly.  Even developments LPARs here have 14 LOCAL
page data sets here.  PAV helps but it is no substitute for sufficient
space and multiple channels and storage processors ready to absorb the
I/O spike. 

Best Regards, 

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Subject: Paging Subsystem -- Comfortable Size and Configuration?

Hi, All,

In preparation for z/OS 1.9 we're re-evaluating our paging subsystem
configurations.  Currently we're using the same size and configuration
carried forward from time immemorial, mainly because it still works:
Three (3) page datasets of 2,000 cylinders each, with one in reserve
(available for PAGEADD) on each LPAR.

Now we're looking at exploiting some of the newer stuff that uses
above-the-bar storage (DFSORT's Memory Object sorting, for starters),
and I believe our current sizing and configuration will prove inadequate
sooner rather than later.  Right now our Development/Test LPAR runs
on a z9BC, with 4GB central storage allocated.  It does light to
moderate paging.  We also run our sandbox there, but it's
substantially idle most of the time.  The primary CF also lives on the
BC.

Production runs on a z9EC with 14GB central storage (the other 2GB are
allocated to the backup CF), and the same paging subsystem configuration
as above.  This LPAR currently does NO paging, but is the image we
believe would benefit most from exploiting Memory Object sorting.

What would be a comfortable paging subsystem configuration, especially
for the Production LPAR, as to individual size and (especially) number
of page datasets?

TIA,

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Custompac

2008-03-12 Thread Matt Dazzo
When using custompac to view an existing installed order I find that some of 
the options like 'Installation' have an asterisk next to them and are not able 
to be selected for viewing. Any body know why this might be? Thanks Matt

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Re: CATALOG Quesiton

2008-03-12 Thread Imbriale, Donald
Command F CATALOG,ALLOCATED will show message IEC348I.  The last column:

The percentage of allocated extents for each catalog in the list. This
percentage indicates the extent usage by either the data or index 
component, whichever is higher, for that particular catalog. For  
catalogs that are marked as closed or deleted, this value is N/A. 

Don Imbriale


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Re: Execution job class restriction

2008-03-12 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:14:22 -0400, Brian France [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 09:20 AM 3/12/2008, you wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:55:44 -0400, Brian France [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We do it with ACF2 resource calls just in case your an ACF2 user.
 

You need an optional exit for this correct?  But ACF2 supplies it ... or
at least used to.  I believe they called this (and other optional exits)
MVS notes.I actually have one system that runs ACF2  ACF2/IMS ..
so I guess I could pick up a manual and find out.

Well, they did it looks like at one time. The code doc for our
IEFUJI exit seems to indicate that but I can find it NOT in our V12
libraries. We've modified that exit a few times to makes various
resource calls so without detailed looking I'm not sure what came
from SKK and what's ours. Yes, indeed, this code actually has
reference to SKK in it. If you need me to I will gladly look at it harder.


After I posted I did look it up in the fine manual.  It's documented in the
system programmers guide in appendix b.  It is note 1 - Validate
Account Number and Job Class for Batch Jobs.  The source is distributed
in hlq.CAIMAC(VALDTAC2).

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Re: Execution job class restriction

2008-03-12 Thread Brian France

At 09:20 AM 3/12/2008, you wrote:

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:55:44 -0400, Brian France [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We do it with ACF2 resource calls just in case your an ACF2 user.


You need an optional exit for this correct?  But ACF2 supplies it ... or
at least used to.  I believe they called this (and other optional exits)
MVS notes.I actually have one system that runs ACF2  ACF2/IMS ..
so I guess I could pick up a manual and find out.


   Well, they did it looks like at one time. The code doc for our 
IEFUJI exit seems to indicate that but I can find it NOT in our V12 
libraries. We've modified that exit a few times to makes various 
resource calls so without detailed looking I'm not sure what came 
from SKK and what's ours. Yes, indeed, this code actually has 
reference to SKK in it. If you need me to I will gladly look at it harder.




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Re: Bob Richards Update

2008-03-12 Thread Kelman, Tom
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Re: CATALOG Quesiton

2008-03-12 Thread John Laubenheimer
First, the good news.  A catalog can have up to 123 (if I recall correctly) 
extents.  If you haven't reached this limit, you should be OK.

If you are at (or near) this limit, it gets a bit fuzzy.  If, by creating a new 
entry in the catalog, you cause a CI split, which in turn causes a CA split, 
you 
may need to take another extent.  It only takes one entry to cause the CA 
split; thus, the inability to create this entry makes it look like the catalog 
is 
full.  On the other hand, there may be room for many thousands of catalog 
entries which fit into existing CIs and/or CAs.  It depends on the name of the 
entry to be cataloged (and, usually, the high-level qualifier).

Also, if I recall correctly, a catalog is limited to 4GB in size (the same as 
for 
any other non-extended format KSDS; catalogs do not have an extended 
format counterpart).  

You should allocate catalogs with secondary extents.  And, if you reach some 
threshold (determined by your installation ... say 100 extents), you should 
schedule a re-org.  A catalog re-org really doesn't require a stand-alone 
environment.  You just don't want things initiating while the export and import 
are running.  Export the catalog, close and unallocate the catalog, delete and 
re-define the catalog (larger?), and import (into empty) the catalog; it's 
rather 
quick.

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Re: Execution job class restriction

2008-03-12 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:20:23 -0500, Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:14:22 -0400, Brian France [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 09:20 AM 3/12/2008, you wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:55:44 -0400, Brian France [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We do it with ACF2 resource calls just in case your an ACF2 user.
 

You need an optional exit for this correct?  But ACF2 supplies it ... or
at least used to.  I believe they called this (and other optional exits)
MVS notes.I actually have one system that runs ACF2  ACF2/IMS ..
so I guess I could pick up a manual and find out.

Well, they did it looks like at one time. The code doc for our
IEFUJI exit seems to indicate that but I can find it NOT in our V12
libraries. We've modified that exit a few times to makes various
resource calls so without detailed looking I'm not sure what came
from SKK and what's ours. Yes, indeed, this code actually has
reference to SKK in it. If you need me to I will gladly look at it harder.


After I posted I did look it up in the fine manual.  It's documented in the
system programmers guide in appendix b.  It is note 1 - Validate
Account Number and Job Class for Batch Jobs.  The source is distributed
in hlq.CAIMAC(VALDTAC2).


I forgot to mention.  The sample code is an IEFUJI SMF exit, which (as I 
mentioned in an earlier post) is where I always do this sort of checking.

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Re: Execution job class restriction

2008-03-12 Thread Brian France

At 03:20 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote:

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:14:22 -0400, Brian France [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 09:20 AM 3/12/2008, you wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:55:44 -0400, Brian France [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We do it with ACF2 resource calls just in case your an ACF2 user.
 

You need an optional exit for this correct?  But ACF2 supplies it ... or
at least used to.  I believe they called this (and other optional exits)
MVS notes.I actually have one system that runs ACF2  ACF2/IMS ..
so I guess I could pick up a manual and find out.

Well, they did it looks like at one time. The code doc for our
IEFUJI exit seems to indicate that but I can find it NOT in our V12
libraries. We've modified that exit a few times to makes various
resource calls so without detailed looking I'm not sure what came
from SKK and what's ours. Yes, indeed, this code actually has
reference to SKK in it. If you need me to I will gladly look at it harder.


After I posted I did look it up in the fine manual.  It's documented in the
system programmers guide in appendix b.  It is note 1 - Validate
Account Number and Job Class for Batch Jobs.  The source is distributed
in hlq.CAIMAC(VALDTAC2).



Thar she be!  I disremembered they had moved that stuff from their 
sampjcl to the mac library. Kewl, I need to review what's out there. 
It's been a long time...  Ain't manuals great...




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Re: Paging Subsystem -- Comfortable Size and Configuration?

2008-03-12 Thread Staller, Allan
snip

What would be a comfortable paging subsystem configuration, especially
for the Production LPAR, as to individual size and (especially) number
of page datasets?
/snip

IMO, the largest needed paging subsys can be determined as follows:

1) Determine actual working set in use. This is easy if you are not
currently paging, just look at the RMF reports. IIRC, paging follows a
square root algorithm. i.e. double the working set, the page rate goes
up by sqrt(2). 
2) convert the working set determined in step 1 above to gigabytes
3) divide by 0.3 (the block paging algorithm declines in efficiency
after page ds utilization exceeds 30%)
4) allocate sufficient full volume local page ds' to contain the number
determined in step 3 using about 2.5 - 2.8 gig per 3390M3 volume.
5) sprinkle the local page ds's over as many paths and channels as
practical. See Sam Knutson's post on this.

Of course, this method is only as good as the determination of the
working set. 

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Re: CATALOG Quesiton

2008-03-12 Thread Anthony Saul Babonas
Other posters have responded with good, practical solutions.  We had a
solution years ago that was neither.  We kept several hundred dummy
aliases in a user catalog in order to keep it full, artificially.  If we
needed to define a few new ones, we deleted some dummies.

Excusing my failing memory,  but I believe the magic number was greater than
3,000.  For some reason 8,000 sticks in my mind.  Maybe it was function of
the CISIZE of the catalog itself.  ??

Where's Mark Thomen these days ?   

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  Is there a way of telling if a USER CAT is near full or full?
   
  Thanks.

   
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Re: CATALOG Quesiton

2008-03-12 Thread Lizette Koehler
I am curious.  Do I care if it is full or if it has a lot of splits (CA/CI)?  I 
had one catalog in my past we called a database because it was over 700,000 
entries.  We reorged it every weekend because it performed poorly due to the 
splits, not the size.

Lizette



Other posters have responded with good, practical solutions.  We had a
solution years ago that was neither.  We kept several hundred dummy
aliases in a user catalog in order to keep it full, artificially.  If we
needed to define a few new ones, we deleted some dummies.

Excusing my failing memory,  but I believe the magic number was greater than
3,000.  For some reason 8,000 sticks in my mind.  Maybe it was function of
the CISIZE of the catalog itself.  ??



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Re: Custompac

2008-03-12 Thread Jack Kelly
If it's anything like Service Pac, you have to complete, at least do, the 
preceding item before it'll let you start the next one. If that's what 
you're talking about.

Jack Kelly
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Re: CATALOG Quesiton

2008-03-12 Thread David Andrews
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 16:05 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote:
 I am curious.  Do I care if it is full or if it has a lot of splits
 (CA/CI)?  I had one catalog in my past we called a database because it
 was over 700,000 entries.  We reorged it every weekend because it
 performed poorly due to the splits, not the size.

I think that in general you don't want to reorg catalogs.  Splits have a
beneficial effect insofar as they introduce free space in the right
places.

You might have problems when you do many inserts in increasing key
sequence.  I seem to remember from my VSAM days that you can end up with
a cluster full of half-filled control intervals.

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Re: WLM and DB2

2008-03-12 Thread Martin Packer
Glen wrote

 
 IIRC DB2 SPAS may not be the best practise anymore with the latest 
versions
 of DB2.
 

That's right... DB2 9 no longer supports SPAS.

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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Robert Justice
sounds good here too, changing the clock twice a year is absurd 

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Aw, the HECK with this.

I hereby declare that from now on, daylight savings is banned and all
clocks shall be set to GMT only, worldwide.

Signed,

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Re: getting gmake on z/OS Unix

2008-03-12 Thread Mark Post
 On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:22 AM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Warren Taylor
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 Hi,
  
 we are a group using z/OS Unix and have been given an HFS (USS?)
  
 we can install gmake ourselves as per our z/OS sysprog
  
 have downloaded and unwound gmake.pax.Z.bin from IBM and it looks to be 
 EBCDIC already. The unwind created folders bin, share, info, and man and put 
 all the data there.

This would appear to be a pre-compiled package, not source.  With adjustment of 
your PATH and MANPATH environment variables, it is probably ready to use as is.


Mark Post

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Re: getting gmake on z/OS Unix

2008-03-12 Thread Big Iron
Those are the instructions for an install from source. It sounds as if you
have the precompiled binaries. For that situation, I think that what the
Redbook attempts to say is that the unloaded files should be copied into
the corresponding directories under /usr/local: so the file from bin is
copied to /usr/local/bin, the files from man should be copied to the
corresponding directories under /usr/local/man, etc. This assumes that these
directories are included in your PATH  MANPATH environment variables.

Building from source is probably more in the spirit of open source but the
precompiled binaries should work fine.

You can also ask questions about this on mvs-oe. See page
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?mvs-oe

Bill

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:22:07 -0700, Warren Taylor
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Hi,

we are a group using z/OS Unix and have been given an HFS (USS?)

we can install gmake ourselves as per our z/OS sysprog

have downloaded and unwound gmake.pax.Z.bin from IBM and it looks to be
EBCDIC already. The unwind created folders bin, share, info, and man and put
all the data there.

the installation instructions from the IBM redbook say the following is the
core of a script to (build?) gmake.


gzip - -d make-3.79.1.tar.gz | pax -o from=ISO8859-1,to=IBM-1047 -r  
(already paxed and EBCDIC already, doubts arise)
cd make ( there is no make folder in z/OS Unix and the pax file I
downloaded does not create a make folder, doubts increase)
export CFLG='-O2 -D_ALL_SOURCE'
CC=cc CFLAGS=$CFLG CCC=c++ CXXFLAGS=-+ $CFLG ./configure
--prefix=$installDir
make
make install


my question really is how do I really install gmake. I have it unwound on
z/OS Unix, just don't know what to do with it. I don't think the above
script will work for me as the file I downloaded is not what this script
expects to see. The MVS sysprog says we can install it ourselves but our
userid doesn't have write access to root (/).  What do I do to get this
puppy installed? Do I need to pay attention to the above scirpt? Or do I
modify our .profile for the exports and issue the 2 make commands?

I'm totally new at this and just need gmake for other ends. I wonder if I
should create a script like the above without the first 2 lines and run that
on z/OS Unix? I've had other feedback that said to just move the unwound
folders (and data) down to root. One of those folders exist (bin) and the
others don't.

anyone have more information or know where I can get more?

Thanks


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Re: Hiper PAVs

2008-03-12 Thread Mark Post
 On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at  9:27 AM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 
-snip-
 If you're a Linux-on-z shop, then you should know that HyperPAV support
 has been submitted to upstream for inclusion in the kernel.  So soon
 Linux will have PAV support too.

To be a little more explicit, Linux for System z has had support for PAV since 
late 2006, both on z/VM and in an LPAR.  I haven't seen any indication that 
HyperPAV support has been submitted just yet.  It would have gone through the 
git390 server if it had been.


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Re: Hiper PAVs

2008-03-12 Thread David Andrews
On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 15:15 -0600, Mark Post wrote:
 Linux for System z has had support for PAV since late 2006

Thanks; I wasn't aware of that.

 I haven't seen any indication that HyperPAV support has been submitted
 just yet.  It would have gone through the git390 server if it had
 been.

My understanding from Horst Hummel's LVM talk was that the driver
support had been submitted very recently, within a couple of weeks.

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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/11/2008
   at 08:28 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No, Spring forward, Fall back is a common mnemonic in the USA.

They say that the memory is the second thing to go; I don't remember the
first thing.
 
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Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 03/12/2008
   at 09:44 AM, John Mattson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Programmers have been deleting for years using BR14 (MOD,DELETE), and 
IDCAMS DELETE. 

IEFBR14 doesn't delete the data set. By the time IEFBR14 gets control the
data set has already been recalled. But I thought that AMS would issue an
HDELETE if the data set was migrated. Or did you specify the data set in
your JCL when you called IDCAMS?
 
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Re: UDB JDBC procedure call causes S04E in DB2

2008-03-12 Thread Neil Duffee
At 2008.03.12 15:23, Serenity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to IBM-Main 
about UDB JDBC procedure call causes S04E in DB2:

 I'm trying to call a z/OS stored procedure from Win UDB and am getting
 a SQLCODE: -444, SQLSTATE: 42724. 
 On the the z/OS system log, I see -
 DSNL027I  [snip]
RECEIVED ABEND=04E
FOR REASON=00D3003B
 DSNL028I  [snip]
 
 I haven't been able to find anything by searching IBM.
 Does anyone have any idea what's causing this?

Serenity:  plunk the reason code (00D3003B) into LookAt 
(http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/bkserv/lookat/lookat.h
tml) and it'll tell you that DB2 canned the thread because of IDLE 
THREAD TIMEOUT.  LookAt is *very* handy and will retrieve the SQL 
code values as well.

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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
I always heard it was the knees.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:43:50 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

They say that the memory is the second thing to go; I don't remember the
first thing.

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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
The buzz on the radios in Idaho explain that while you are saving money in the 
spring, you get home earlier in the summer and run those air conditioners 
longer. Thus you spend more overall. And those old urban legends it was for 
the farmers, well the animals and crops can figure out when the sun comes up 
without a clock. It was all about trying to save electricity during the war.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:00:45 -0400, Fletcher, Kevin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

I have no issue with time zones. But, I really don't like the
semi-annual confusion caused by switching between Daylight Saving and
Standard Time. Yes, it's been proved to save energy. However, it's also
been proved to cost more in the end.

--
Edward E Jaffe

/snip

Ed,

Here in Indiana we switched to day light saving time a couple years ago
and studies have shown our energy usage has increased. Not sure if we
just have not got the hang of it yet or it actually does cost more.


Thanks,

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Re: Rexx bug?

2008-03-12 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
Reminds me of a problem I thought I had once, how about EXPONENTIAL form 
affecting e0 versus e8?


On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:43:18 +0200, Binyamin Dissen 
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:29:16 -0500 Patrick O'Keefe 
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:On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:09:45 +0100, Thomas Berg
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:...
: ... REXX sees 2 equal numbers in the first case and 2 different
: strings in the second case.

:No.  REXX sees 1 string in each case (00E0 00E8 and 00F0 00F8).
:Try  x = 00E0 + 00E8  and  y = 00F0 + 00F8
:You will get an error in the latter case.
:...

:Ok.  I worded that very poorly.  Assuming that the exec is going to
:parse its parm string into hex arguments, it had better take care to
:handle those args as strings wherever they might be misconstrued
:as numbers.

If you want them to be treated as hex arguments, use C2X. Otherwise

000E0 == 00E0

will return not equal.

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Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread Walt Farrell
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:03:41 -0700, Edward Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

William Bishop wrote:
 The problem is that if you perfrom an IDCAMS DELETE and specify nonvsam,
 HSM does a recall.  Without the nonvsam, he does an HDELETE if the dataset
 is migrated.


This sounds APARable to me.

I don't think so, Ed.  I believe that the presence of nonvsam on the
command requires a recall so that IDCAMS can verify that it's a nonvsam
entry (it can't tell that while the data set is migrated).

I believe you'll find that if you had a VSAM file, and issued a DELETE ...
NONVSAM against it that the delete would fail.  Thus, with a migrated data
set IDCAMS needs it recalled or it might mistakenly delete a migrated VSAM
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Re: clock, daylight savings time

2008-03-12 Thread Scott Ford
I thought it was your hair.

Scott
IDF

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I always heard it was the knees.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:43:50 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
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Re: Rexx bug?

2008-03-12 Thread Scott Ford
This isn't a bug in rexx.try this little clist

/* rexx  */
X = 00E0 + 00E8
Say datatype(x)  -- this returns NUM
Y = 00F0
say datatype(y) --- this returns CHAR


Can't add two character together...

Regards,
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Reminds me of a problem I thought I had once, how about EXPONENTIAL form 
affecting e0 versus e8?


On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:43:18 +0200, Binyamin Dissen 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:29:16 -0500 Patrick O'Keefe 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

:On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:09:45 +0100, Thomas Berg
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:...
: ... REXX sees 2 equal numbers in the first case and 2 different
: strings in the second case.

:No.  REXX sees 1 string in each case (00E0 00E8 and 00F0 00F8).
:Try  x = 00E0 + 00E8  and  y = 00F0 + 00F8
:You will get an error in the latter case.
:...

:Ok.  I worded that very poorly.  Assuming that the exec is going to
:parse its parm string into hex arguments, it had better take care to
:handle those args as strings wherever they might be misconstrued
:as numbers.

If you want them to be treated as hex arguments, use C2X. Otherwise

000E0 == 00E0

will return not equal.

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Re: Rexx bug?

2008-03-12 Thread Scott Ford
Here is the output trace of the clist I showed earlier...


O   0
  4 *-* say datatype(x)
V   0
F   NUM
 NUM
  5 *-* y = 00F0
L   00F0
  6 *-* z = c2x(y)
V   00F0
F   F0F0C6F0
  7 *-* say z
V   F0F0C6F0
 F0F0C6F0
  8 *-* say datatype(y)
V   00F0
F   CHAR
 CHAR
 ***

Regards,
Scott

I didn't think one could add two char strings together..maybe I am
wrong...been around rexx a long long time...



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This isn't a bug in rexx.try this little clist

/* rexx  */
X = 00E0 + 00E8
Say datatype(x)  -- this returns NUM
Y = 00F0
say datatype(y) --- this returns CHAR


Can't add two character together...

Regards,
Scott



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Reminds me of a problem I thought I had once, how about EXPONENTIAL form 
affecting e0 versus e8?


On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:43:18 +0200, Binyamin Dissen 
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:29:16 -0500 Patrick O'Keefe 
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:On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:09:45 +0100, Thomas Berg
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:...
: ... REXX sees 2 equal numbers in the first case and 2 different
: strings in the second case.

:No.  REXX sees 1 string in each case (00E0 00E8 and 00F0 00F8).
:Try  x = 00E0 + 00E8  and  y = 00F0 + 00F8
:You will get an error in the latter case.
:...

:Ok.  I worded that very poorly.  Assuming that the exec is going to
:parse its parm string into hex arguments, it had better take care to
:handle those args as strings wherever they might be misconstrued
:as numbers.

If you want them to be treated as hex arguments, use C2X. Otherwise

000E0 == 00E0

will return not equal.

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Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:03:41 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote:

William Bishop wrote:
 The problem is that if you perfrom an IDCAMS DELETE and specify nonvsam,
 HSM does a recall.  Without the nonvsam, he does an HDELETE if the dataset
 is migrated.

This sounds APARable to me.

... or a Requirement?  What's the rationale for the misbehavior?

What's the rationale for specifying NONVSAM if it seems only to
cause problems?

Ages ago, before TSO/IDCAMS was so nearly smart, I coded in
Rexx (IIRC):

address 'TSO'
'HDELETE ''DATA.SET.NAME'' WAIT'
if RC0 then
'DELETE ''DATA.SET.NAME'''

Crude, but effective.  Why do some sysadmins detest
programmers who do what's expedient?

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Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread Scott Ford
Amen brother gil..thats because most of the sys admins don't really know how
to program

Scott

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Subject: Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:03:41 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote:

William Bishop wrote:
 The problem is that if you perfrom an IDCAMS DELETE and specify nonvsam,
 HSM does a recall.  Without the nonvsam, he does an HDELETE if the
dataset
 is migrated.

This sounds APARable to me.

... or a Requirement?  What's the rationale for the misbehavior?

What's the rationale for specifying NONVSAM if it seems only to
cause problems?

Ages ago, before TSO/IDCAMS was so nearly smart, I coded in
Rexx (IIRC):

address 'TSO'
'HDELETE ''DATA.SET.NAME'' WAIT'
if RC0 then
'DELETE ''DATA.SET.NAME'''

Crude, but effective.  Why do some sysadmins detest
programmers who do what's expedient?

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Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread Rugen, Len
I've got basically the same thing with a HBDELETE first.  I call it 
HBEGONE.  




Ages ago, before TSO/IDCAMS was so nearly smart, I coded in
Rexx (IIRC):

address 'TSO'
'HDELETE ''DATA.SET.NAME'' WAIT'
if RC0 then
'DELETE ''DATA.SET.NAME'''

Crude, but effective.  Why do some sysadmins detest
programmers who do what's expedient?

-- gil



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Implementing PAV on an existing DASD subsystem

2008-03-12 Thread Jason To
I just need some confirmation/clarification on implementing PAV on an
existing DASD subsystem with data or DASD volumes already allocated. Will
implementing PAV affect the existing data on the DASD subsystem? If no, is
it applicable to both IBM and EMC DASD subsystem? How big is the risk
involved to implement this with production data? TIA

Regards,
Jason

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DB2 for z/OS V7.1 on z/OS V1.9

2008-03-12 Thread Bu Dante
Does DB2 V7.1 run on z/OS V1.9 and if so any PTFs required?
Anybody in this situation?
Bu

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Disclaimers

2008-03-12 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Does anybody realise that you cannot issue prior restraint?
You cannot legally enforce the fact that you cannot disseminate an e-mail that 
was sent to you, stating you can't send it from here!

If an email was sent to you, unsolicited, you can do whatever you want with it.
Sending to a list server is unsolicited.
I know this is the law in Canada; I'm pretty sure it's the same in the US.

As the Klingons say: if you don't want it heard, you shall not say it.

I'm not sure, but I think this is a little bit on topic.

If I'm wrong, then what's the purpose of contributingg?

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Re: Easy way to covert IEFBR14 and IDCAMS deletes to HDELETE

2008-03-12 Thread Arthur T.
On 12 Mar 2008 17:52:58 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
(Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Gilmartin) wrote:


Ages ago, before TSO/IDCAMS was so nearly smart, I coded 
in

Rexx (IIRC):

   address 'TSO'
   'HDELETE ''DATA.SET.NAME'' WAIT'
   if RC0 then
   'DELETE ''DATA.SET.NAME'''

Crude, but effective.


 Mine was more complex, but I don't know if it was 
more effective.  There will probably be line-wrap 
problems.  sysreasn is an external REXX routine that 
returns the text of LISTDSI reason codes.  The first 
section is my standard entry code to allow me to specify 
variables on the command line.


/*  REXX exec to delete datasets without hrecall  */

arg dsn temp1

do while temp1 \= ''
  parse var temp1 temp2 temp1
  if right(temp2,1) = ')' then
temp2 = translate(temp2,'= ','()')
  if pos('=',temp2) = 0 then temp2 = temp2 || '= '
  interpret temp2
end
drop temp1
drop temp2
if debug = 'TRACE' then trace ?i
else if debug \= DEBUG then trace i

if wait= 'WAIT' then dowait = ''  /* wait for hsm to 
delete? */

else dowait = 'WAIT'

temp = listdsi(dsn NORECALL)
select
  when temp = 0 then
DELETE dsn
  when temp = 16 then
if sysreason = 9 then HDELETE dsn dowait
else
  if quiet = QUIET then do
call sysreasn sysreason
say dsn cannot be deleted this way because 
result

if sysreason \= 5 then
  LISTC ALL ENT(dsn
  end
  otherwise
if quiet = QUIET then do
  say dsn cannot be deleted this way
  LISTC ALL ENT(dsn
end
end
exit 0


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Re: Disclaimers

2008-03-12 Thread Doc Farmer
Ah, a John M. Ford fan. The Final Reflection - one of the best non-canon ST 
novels out there.

I don't think it's an issue of prior restraint.  It's an issue of no restraint 
whatsoever.  However, taglines and disclaimers do at least provide a modicum of 
protection to the sender, if worded correctly, so that a message cannot be used 
as a legally binding agreement (and believe me, it's been tried) which can come 
back to bite the sender in the bee-hind.

Frankly, I think that folks should try to have a bit of fun with those darn 
things, viz:

The information contained in this e-mail message may be proprietary and/or 
confidential.  Then again, it may not.  It is for intended addressee(s) only, 
but can be read by anybody at the CIA, MI6, Mossad, the Tal'Shiar or the 
Obsidian Order.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified 
that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution, bending, folding, spindling, 
mutilating, sautéing, roasting, deep-frying, or other Preparation (H) of this 
communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a 
criminal offense, cause economies to fail, empires to fall, large cracks to 
appear in the Earth's surface and the end of all existence across the entire 
multiverse.  Void where prohibited.  Your mileage may vary.  Auntie Em! Auntie 
Em! It's a Twister, It's a TWISTER!

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MacNEIL
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Subject: Disclaimers

Does anybody realise that you cannot issue prior restraint?
You cannot legally enforce the fact that you cannot disseminate an e-mail that 
was sent to you, stating you can't send it from here!

If an email was sent to you, unsolicited, you can do whatever you want with it.
Sending to a list server is unsolicited.
I know this is the law in Canada; I'm pretty sure it's the same in the US.

As the Klingons say: if you don't want it heard, you shall not say it.

I'm not sure, but I think this is a little bit on topic.

If I'm wrong, then what's the purpose of contributingg?

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Re: Disclaimers

2008-03-12 Thread Scott Ford
Lol, outstanding DocFarmer

Scott

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Ah, a John M. Ford fan. The Final Reflection - one of the best non-canon
ST novels out there.

I don't think it's an issue of prior restraint.  It's an issue of no
restraint whatsoever.  However, taglines and disclaimers do at least provide
a modicum of protection to the sender, if worded correctly, so that a
message cannot be used as a legally binding agreement (and believe me, it's
been tried) which can come back to bite the sender in the bee-hind.

Frankly, I think that folks should try to have a bit of fun with those darn
things, viz:

The information contained in this e-mail message may be proprietary and/or
confidential.  Then again, it may not.  It is for intended addressee(s)
only, but can be read by anybody at the CIA, MI6, Mossad, the Tal'Shiar or
the Obsidian Order.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution, bending, folding,
spindling, mutilating, sautéing, roasting, deep-frying, or other Preparation
(H) of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain
circumstances, be a criminal offense, cause economies to fail, empires to
fall, large cracks to appear in the Earth's surface and the end of all
existence across the entire multiverse.  Void where prohibited.  Your
mileage may vary.  Auntie Em! Auntie Em! It's a Twister, It's a TWISTER!

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ted MacNEIL
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 23:07
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Disclaimers

Does anybody realise that you cannot issue prior restraint?
You cannot legally enforce the fact that you cannot disseminate an e-mail
that was sent to you, stating you can't send it from here!

If an email was sent to you, unsolicited, you can do whatever you want with
it.
Sending to a list server is unsolicited.
I know this is the law in Canada; I'm pretty sure it's the same in the US.

As the Klingons say: if you don't want it heard, you shall not say it.

I'm not sure, but I think this is a little bit on topic.

If I'm wrong, then what's the purpose of contributingg?

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Re: Disclaimers

2008-03-12 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Ah, a John M. Ford fan. The Final Reflection - one of the best non-canon ST 
novels out there

I don't know how you figure that out, but yes I am.

I've read them all.
I was 9 when startrek went on the air (TOS) and have watched them all!

But, my point is still the same.

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Re: Disclaimers

2008-03-12 Thread Ted MacNEIL
if worded correctly, so that a message cannot be used as a legally binding 
agreement (and believe me, it's been tried) which can come back to bite the 
sender in the bee-hind.


My issue was never that.
It's the implied liability of the recipient.


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