Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
Jon Brock wrote: Thanks for the tip. I have avoided FROMNETWORK in the past since we haven't configured cryptographic services, but I may give it a shot next time. Crypto services (ICSF) takes half an hour to establish. Fine print Assumed you have crypto HW enabled Planning not included Learning not included Tax not included g YMMV /fine print -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A Strange, I could have sworn you were one of the vocal dissenters when IBM did away with JOBCAT and STEPCAT. Not all progress is in the forward direction. I think that was Ed Gould -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues On Mon, 5 May 2008 11:27:41 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to use it for completely unrelated functions. One uses the most convenient tools available. c all /Unix/VSAM/ ... in your tirade and reset your clock a couple decades. History repeats itself. -- gil I still despise VSAM at times. Like right now due to not being able to share an open VSAM file across z/OS images. Granted, this is a documented restriction. But our programmers don't really care, they just want VSAM to work the way that __they__ want it to work, not the way it was designed. 1. VSAM RLS (free, but specialized programming needed). 2. DFSMStvs (Transactional VSAM; extra-cost product). -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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TSO line edit? XEDIT? snip Just out of curiosity, which editor supports that syntax. I know ISPF would use c all Unix VSAM and I have a vague recollection of vi or some Unix editor using s/Unix/VSAM but I've never seen the two mixed before. . . . One uses the most convenient tools available. c all /Unix/VSAM/ /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues I still despise VSAM at times. Like right now due to not being able to share an open VSAM file across z/OS images. Granted, this is a documented restriction. But our programmers don't really care, they just want VSAM to work the way that __they__ want it to work, not the way it was designed. 1. VSAM RLS (free, but specialized programming needed). 2. DFSMStvs (Transactional VSAM; extra-cost product). -jc- No CF. Management screamed at the cost of an ICF engine. And besides the mainframe is going away!. So nobody really seems to care about doing good fixes. Just ad hoc, minimal get it running type fixes. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues On Mon, 5 May 2008 11:27:41 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to use it for completely unrelated functions. One uses the most convenient tools available. c all /Unix/VSAM/ ... in your tirade and reset your clock a couple decades. History repeats itself. -- gil I still despise VSAM at times. Like right now due to not being able to share an open VSAM file across z/OS images. Granted, this is a documented restriction. But our programmers don't really care, they just want VSAM to work the way that __they__ want it to work, not the way it was designed. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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snip- I still despise VSAM at times. Like right now due to not being able to share an open VSAM file across z/OS images. Granted, this is a documented restriction. But our programmers don't really care, they just want VSAM to work the way that __they__ want it to work, not the way it was designed. -unsnip Do they *want* their SUV's to fly as well? We all have to live with some limitations, however unreasonable we might feel those limitations. I can think of a few people that seriously need killing, but I can't do it. We learn to adapt; so can those programmers. Slap them up-side the head and teach them about VSAM buffers in storage, index updating, etc. Then maybe, just maybe, they'll understand why they can't always get what they want. :-) (Also, remind them how bad ISAM was; that ought to get their attention.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Does the Internet receive still require cryptographic services? Jon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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No it doesn't, but check back thru the archives for the past 6 months. I had an issue where I don't have crypto, either in hardware or in the appropriate level of JAVA, and hit some snags due to incorrect DDDEF entries in my receive job. You can contact me offlist if you want me to dig back thru my notes on it. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues Does the Internet receive still require cryptographic services? Jon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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My tapes didn't require crytographic or JAVA interference. G Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems Programmer Information Communications Technology Crawford Company 4680 N. Royal Atlanta Tucker GA 30084 phone: 770-621-3256 fax: 770-621-3237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.crawfordandcompany.com IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 05/06/2008 01:35:40 PM: -- Information from the mail header --- Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Poster: Pommier, Rex R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues --- No it doesn't, but check back thru the archives for the past 6 months. I had an issue where I don't have crypto, either in hardware or in the appropriate level of JAVA, and hit some snags due to incorrect DDDEF entries in my receive job. You can contact me offlist if you want me to dig back thru my notes on it. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues Does the Internet receive still require cryptographic services? Jon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Best Overall Third-Party Claims Administrator - 2007 Business Insurance Readers Choice Awards Consider the environment before printing this message. This transmission is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are NOT authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this communication, its attachments or any part of them. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this communication from all computers. This communication does not form any contractual obligation on behalf of the sender, the sender's employer, or the employer's parent company, affiliates or subsidiaries. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Thanks for the tip. I have avoided FROMNETWORK in the past since we haven't configured cryptographic services, but I may give it a shot next time. Thanks, Jon -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R. Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues No it doesn't, but check back thru the archives for the past 6 months. I had an issue where I don't have crypto, either in hardware or in the appropriate level of JAVA, and hit some snags due to incorrect DDDEF entries in my receive job. You can contact me offlist if you want me to dig back thru my notes on it. Rex -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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My adventure with ShopzSeries: I ordered JAVA SDK for z/OS. It is free product/ I can dowlnload it from IBM webpage without any paperwork. However web-downloadable form is non-SMP/E. SMP/E package is only from ShopZ - but it's still free of charge. But not free of paperwork. It took several weeks (!) to get ...no, not the software - I've got the papers to sign up. After the signup and sending the papers to IBM I'll MAYBE get my order. BTW: I also downloaded XML Toolkit for z/OS. This is available for download in SMP/E form. Why not JAVA SDK ? BTW2: XML Toolkit is free of service, so later I downloaded a bunch of PTFs for that product. BTW3: I didn't want XML Toolkit. But this is required for CICS TS 3.2 installation. However *no of the IBM systems* informed me about it. I ordered z/OS and CICS via ShopZ - no notification about prerequisite. I processed ServerPac Installation Dialog - no information about missing prerequisite. I found it hard way - CALLLIBS failed. Then found small font notification that I need XML Toolkit. BTW4: When I ordered JAVA SDK for z/OS - the ShopZ wizard gently informed me that I also need prerequsite: z/OS. vbg While the prerequisite for JAVA seems to me quite obvious, the prereq. for CICS wasn't. And wasn't notified by IBM systems. OK, time for my pills... -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 11:24 +0200, R.S. wrote: OK, time for my pills... Be sure to wash them down with a dark rum ... ;0) Shane ... (apparently makes the pills work better) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Snipped: why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck! Not all of us like messing around with the convoluted USS path, that's why. Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems Programmer Information Communications Technology Crawford Company 4680 N. Royal Atlanta Tucker GA 30084 phone: 770-621-3256 fax: 770-621-3237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.crawfordandcompany.com Best Overall Third-Party Claims Administrator - 2007 Business Insurance Readers Choice Awards Consider the environment before printing this message. This transmission is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are NOT authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this communication, its attachments or any part of them. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this communication from all computers. This communication does not form any contractual obligation on behalf of the sender, the sender's employer, or the employer's parent company, affiliates or subsidiaries. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Daniel McLaughlin wrote: Snipped: why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck! Not all of us like messing around with the convoluted USS path, that's why. Time to learn new tricks ? vbg But seriously, it is not only matter of big HFS and managing (long) pathnames. It is also (unclear) unpacking hfs files into MVS datasets using GIMUNZIP. BTW: I downloaded XML Toolkit. Approx. 650MB. First step was to unpax it into HFS files - at least another 650MB. Then GIMUNZIP it into MVS datasets. Another 650MB! Then perform SMP/E RECEIVE - from MVS datasets on dasd to SMP/E relfiles - that means another MVS datasets on DASD. So, you need *FOUR TIMES* more than package size (assuming no compression and no deletes during the process). It *could* be simpler, but it would be against SMP/E policy: to keep things as complex as possible. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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convoluted USS path? I guess, I've never considered USS convoluted, depends on how you have your shop set up. I'll take download anyday over having to deal with tapes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. My adventure with ShopzSeries: I ordered JAVA SDK for z/OS. It is free product/ I can dowlnload it from IBM webpage without any paperwork. However web-downloadable form is non-SMP/E. SMP/E package is only from ShopZ - but it's still free of charge. But not free of paperwork. It took several weeks (!) to get ...no, not the software - I've got the papers to sign up. After the signup and sending the papers to IBM I'll MAYBE get my order. You didn't mention how long you've been registered with Shopz, or how long Shopz has been available in Europe. But I had a similar experience when I ordered the z/OS UNIX Ported Tools, after it was no longer available as a free download. Took about 10 days to process the additional license (no physical paperwork involved), but within a couple hours after I received email notification that the paperwork had been completed, my Shopz order magically changed from manufacturing to ready for download. Later, we ordered the z/OS 1.9 Serverpac, and when it was delivered we saw that it included the z/OS UNIX Ported Tools. BTW: I also downloaded XML Toolkit for z/OS. This is available for download in SMP/E form. Why not JAVA SDK ? BTW2: XML Toolkit is free of service, so later I downloaded a bunch of PTFs for that product. BTW3: I didn't want XML Toolkit. But this is required for CICS TS 3.2 installation. However *no of the IBM systems* informed me about it. I ordered z/OS and CICS via ShopZ - no notification about prerequisite. I processed ServerPac Installation Dialog - no information about missing prerequisite. I found it hard way - CALLLIBS failed. Then found small font notification that I need XML Toolkit. Welcome to the club. :-) We learned about that prerequisite the same way, before the fine print about it appeared (CTS 3.2 was our first bleeding edge software product in a long time). -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Chase, John wrote: [...] You didn't mention how long you've been registered with Shopz, or how long Shopz has been available in Europe. It has been available for quite long time, but limited to service. Now it's available for product ordering as well. But I had a similar experience when I ordered the z/OS UNIX Ported Tools, after it was no longer available as a free download. Took about 10 days to process the additional license (no physical paperwork involved), [...] Ten days is express service! g It took 3 months and paperwork to order products through ShopzSeries. Is it long ? Well, it's better than traditional way. Last time it took ...over 5 months (!) to deliver *wrong* package and next 6 months to fix it. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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When federal legal restrictions (not company policy) prohibit connection, age and popularity become somewhat irrelevant. -Original Message- From: Bobbie Justice [mailto:snip] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues I guess, your company might find it interesting to know that ftp and the internet has been around for a few months now, some of us are actually using it. . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to use it for completely unrelated functions. -Original Message- From: Timothy Sipples [mailto:snip] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues Barry Schwarz writes: If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one. You did. :-) z/OS includes UNIX(TM). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to use it for completely unrelated functions.Have to agree with Barry on this one! Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems Programmer Information Communications Technology Crawford Company 4680 N. Royal Atlanta Tucker GA 30084 phone: 770-621-3256 fax: 770-621-3237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.crawfordandcompany.com Best Overall Third-Party Claims Administrator - 2007 Business Insurance Readers Choice Awards Consider the environment before printing this message. This transmission is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are NOT authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this communication, its attachments or any part of them. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this communication from all computers. This communication does not form any contractual obligation on behalf of the sender, the sender's employer, or the employer's parent company, affiliates or subsidiaries. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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We ran MVT without USS and we LIKED it! Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems Programmer Information Communications Technology Crawford Company 4680 N. Royal Atlanta Tucker GA 30084 phone: 770-621-3256 fax: 770-621-3237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.crawfordandcompany.com Best Overall Third-Party Claims Administrator - 2007 Business Insurance Readers Choice Awards Consider the environment before printing this message. This transmission is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are NOT authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this communication, its attachments or any part of them. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this communication from all computers. This communication does not form any contractual obligation on behalf of the sender, the sender's employer, or the employer's parent company, affiliates or subsidiaries. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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And it was completely optional whether I activated it or not. And then it became mandatory to activate it but you could do so with a minimal dummy configuration. Now I don't even have that choice. Over the years, more and more functionality has been moved across the fence, frequently with inadequate consideration to the impact. (It wasn't that long ago this group discussed a multitude of BPXSTOP REXXs because OMVS wouldn't let JES2 shutdown CLEANLY.) Right now, file and file systems are simulated in MVS datasets. If the current trend continues, how long before datasets will be simulated in file systems? -Original Message- From: Bobbie Justice [mailto:snip] Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues exactly, and it has included Unix for quite awhile now, O/E first showed up with MVS V4 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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AMEN! Jerry Fuchs Senior Systems Engineer Wendy's International Inc. One Dave Thomas Blvd. Dublin, Ohio 43017 (614) 764-3594 Schwarz, Barry A [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 05/05/2008 02:29 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to use it for completely unrelated functions. -Original Message- From: Timothy Sipples [mailto:snip] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues Barry Schwarz writes: If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one. You did. :-) z/OS includes UNIX(TM). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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All of you are starting to show your age Something you setup once, and forget. This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jousma, David All of you are starting to show your age Something you setup once, and forget. Indeed. If you don't occasionally learn some new tricks, your audience will get bored and wander off... -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I really have to question whether reading or writing a file is that much easier than dealing with a dataset. In fact, one of the selling points used to be that DD names made your program device independent. A sequential file could be stand-alone or a member of a PDS. It could be on cards, tape, disk, drum, cell, display terminal/keyboard, and now file system. Why would compressing a file be that much different than compressing a dataset? -Original Message- From: Paul Gilmartin [mailto:snip] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues On Fri, 2 May 2008 15:13:43 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: And while we are on the subject, why does an internet download have to go to a Unix file? Is there some reason SMP/E couldn't handle a normal dataset? If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one. Because UNIX is simpler, easier to use, and allowed implementation of the function with only base z/OS software. I was not privy to the design considerations, but I imagine the designers wanted an archive scheme that was available with base z/OS; and could be used with a non-z/OS-peculiar server. Compression is also desirable. What are the options?: o TSO TRANSMIT? Widely used, but requires TSO TMP. I suppose a requirement to run SMP/E under TSO or vice-versa was unattractive. And the format is not compressed, but quite the opposite with a high overhead. o AMATERSE? Not in base z/OS at the time the facility was developed. o ADRDSSU? Don't know. Is it Internet-friendly? And I lately discovered that there's a rule that to unpack an ADRDSSU archive the user must have read access in the profile governing the original data set name, even when unpacking to a different name; a clear impediment to portability. I understand the rationale for this rule, but it could have been relaxed somewhat and still achieved its objective. I suppose the first scheme they found that met the criteria was the pax.Z format common in UNIX. But why didn't they abandon relative files and put everything inline with GIMDTS, compressed with GIMCPTS? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
Daniel McLaughlin wrote: We ran MVT without USS and we LIKED it! Daniel McLaughlin Oh, sure. And I fought it tooth and nail for a while, too. But I've come to find out it can be kinda' fun. And on no other platform can you do all the ol' fun stuff and the new fun stuff at the same time. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS == == application developer toolkits. Sample code in four== == programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile, == == bind and test. == == http://www.trainersfriend.com/TTFStore/index.html== -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Oh, sure. And I fought it tooth and nail for a while, too. But I've come to find out it can be kinda' fun. And on no other platform can you do all the ol' fun stuff and the new fun stuff at the same time. I've used UNIX since 1976, so I was always pleased that IBM introduced USS to MVS. I have found that if you write code exploiting both MVS and UNIX features you can end up with something greater than the sum of its parts. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
On Mon, 5 May 2008 12:06:22 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: I really have to question whether reading or writing a file is that much easier than dealing with a dataset. In fact, one of the selling points used to be that DD names made your program device independent. A At one time, that was pretty much true. I'd conclude it was part of the original design philosophy of OS/360. Well, you couldn't have a PDS on a card reader. But such restrictions were rationally motivated. sequential file could be stand-alone or a member of a PDS. It could be on cards, tape, disk, drum, cell, display terminal/keyboard, and now file system. Nowadays, there are numerous unnecessary restrictions in both directions. Consider AMATERSE. AMATERSE won't accept a DD name referring to a UNIX file as its archive data set, notwithstanding that many customers promptly copy the Terse archive to a UNIX file (or Windows file) for transmission to tech support. And, why does ISPF require me to copy a UNIX file to a Legacy (sic!) data set in order to LMDEF that for input to LMCOPY? And I can cheat a UNIX directory as a member of my SYSEXEC concatenation, but not if it's the first catenand. Using Data Sets documents it; Rexx support says it's not supported. Where did we lose device independence? I understand that resource constraints may preclude DFSMS providing device drivers for all functions for all device types. I'm far less sympathetic to higher layers that don't perform conventional I/O (at least as a fallback) to devices that DFSMS supports. Why would compressing a file be that much different than compressing a dataset? Out-of-band record boundaries. AMATERSE knows how to deal with them; pax.Z doesn't. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 5 May 2008 11:27:41 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to use it for completely unrelated functions. One uses the most convenient tools available. c all /Unix/VSAM/ ... in your tirade and reset your clock a couple decades. History repeats itself. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Strange, I could have sworn you were one of the vocal dissenters when IBM did away with JOBCAT and STEPCAT. Not all progress is in the forward direction. I find it a tad inconsistent that IBM provides a Linux for those who don't want to bother with z/OS but those of us who do must deal with Unix anyway. Just out of curiosity, which editor supports that syntax. I know ISPF would use c all Unix VSAM and I have a vague recollection of vi or some Unix editor using s/Unix/VSAM but I've never seen the two mixed before. -Original Message- From: Paul Gilmartin [mailto:snip] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues One uses the most convenient tools available. c all /Unix/VSAM/ ... in your tirade and reset your clock a couple decades. History repeats itself. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A Yes it's great if you are allowed to connect your system to the internet. For the rest (few?) of us who cannot, we still need maintenance. And while we are on the subject, why does an internet download have to go to a Unix file? Is there some reason SMP/E couldn't handle a normal dataset? If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one. If you bought z/OS, you _DID_ buy a Unix system. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Fri, 2 May 2008 15:13:43 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote: Yes it's great if you are allowed to connect your system to the internet. For the rest (few?) of us who cannot, we still need maintenance. Get a laptop running Solaris, OS X, Linux, or Windows. Step A: - Connect the laptop to the Internet (you were able to post to this list, weren't you?) - Download the package contents to the laptop. See: Linkname: Requirements for a workstation, if used as an intermediate node URL: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/EPD1UG14/3.3 Step B: - Disconnect the laptop from the Internet, carry it into the computer room, and connect it to the LAN there. - Start an FTP server on the laptop. - Use SMP/E RECEIVE FROMNETWORK to receive the package from the laptop. I've performed Step B for all the systems mentioned except Linux, for which I nonetheless have high confidence. And while we are on the subject, why does an internet download have to go to a Unix file? Is there some reason SMP/E couldn't handle a normal dataset? If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one. Because UNIX is simpler, easier to use, and allowed implementation of the function with only base z/OS software. I was not privy to the design considerations, but I imagine the designers wanted an archive scheme that was available with base z/OS; and could be used with a non-z/OS-peculiar server. Compression is also desirable. What are the options?: o TSO TRANSMIT? Widely used, but requires TSO TMP. I suppose a requirement to run SMP/E under TSO or vice-versa was unattractive. And the format is not compressed, but quite the opposite with a high overhead. o AMATERSE? Not in base z/OS at the time the facility was developed. o ADRDSSU? Don't know. Is it Internet-friendly? And I lately discovered that there's a rule that to unpack an ADRDSSU archive the user must have read access in the profile governing the original data set name, even when unpacking to a different name; a clear impediment to portability. I understand the rationale for this rule, but it could have been relaxed somewhat and still achieved its objective. I suppose the first scheme they found that met the criteria was the pax.Z format common in UNIX. But why didn't they abandon relative files and put everything inline with GIMDTS, compressed with GIMCPTS? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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exactly, and it has included Unix for quite awhile now, O/E first showed up with MVS V4 - Original Message - From: Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:21 AM Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues Barry Schwarz writes: If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one. You did. :-) z/OS includes UNIX(TM). - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues Yes it's great if you are allowed to connect your system to the internet. For the rest (few?) of us who cannot, we still need maintenance. And while we are on the subject, why does an internet download have to go to a Unix file? Is there some reason SMP/E couldn't handle a normal dataset? If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one. You did buy one! z/OS is UNIX, ... and more! You get two clickclick two clickclick two systems in one! (pardons to the Doublemint Gum people) -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
Sorry - I must vent here. Is it just me or is ShopzSeries a poor process. Somehow they lost the fact that we were licensed for a couple of products. So when I placed my order they showed up on ADDITIONAL LICENSES screen. I selected them not knowing the problems that would cause and just blindly thought - a week or two and my z/OS V1.9 system would be available for download via the internet. During this time the website just showed Manufacturing INTERNET. As it does right now. Today 3 boxes of 3480 tapes showed up for my Serverpac. Now I have to resubmit the order after they corrected our account to show we are licensed for those products. Now another week or two before I can begin. Is it just me or does this happen often? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
I had some issues with the system, but not like you are talking about. Oh, and when you re-order it might ALL come in again! I had to order twice and got two shipments. I also opened an issue and got just the tapes. BTW, we got ours on two 3590 compressed tapes. Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems Programmer Information Communications Technology Crawford Company 4680 N. Royal Atlanta Tucker GA 30084 phone: 770-621-3256 fax: 770-621-3237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.crawfordandcompany.com IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 05/02/2008 01:48:02 PM: -- Information from the mail header --- Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Poster: Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues --- Sorry - I must vent here. Is it just me or is ShopzSeries a poor process. Somehow they lost the fact that we were licensed for a couple of products. So when I placed my order they showed up on ADDITIONAL LICENSES screen. I selected them not knowing the problems that would cause and just blindly thought - a week or two and my z/OS V1. 9 system would be available for download via the internet. During this time the website just showed Manufacturing INTERNET. As it does right now. Today 3 boxes of 3480 tapes showed up for my Serverpac. Now I have to resubmit the order after they corrected our account to show we are licensed for those products. Now another week or two before I can begin. Is it just me or does this happen often? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Best Overall Third-Party Claims Administrator - 2007 Business Insurance Readers Choice Awards Consider the environment before printing this message. This transmission is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are NOT authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this communication, its attachments or any part of them. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this communication from all computers. This communication does not form any contractual obligation on behalf of the sender, the sender's employer, or the employer's parent company, affiliates or subsidiaries. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
I have even worst horror stories with shopZ. I have 2 new processors. But shopz shows 1 new processor and 2 old ones that we no longer have. I have been on the phone with Shopz and IBM to clear this up. I hope I can get my z/OS v1r9 order before long because I have it planned to be implemented before Sept this year. Edouard A. Myers Senior Information Technology Specialist Office of the Chief Technology Officer DC Government 222 Massachusetts Ave, NW, Suite 200 Washington, DC 20001 Phone : 202-727-4017 Fax: 202-727-3880 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.octo.dc.gov -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues Sorry - I must vent here. Is it just me or is ShopzSeries a poor process. Somehow they lost the fact that we were licensed for a couple of products. So when I placed my order they showed up on ADDITIONAL LICENSES screen. I selected them not knowing the problems that would cause and just blindly thought - a week or two and my z/OS V1.9 system would be available for download via the internet. During this time the website just showed Manufacturing INTERNET. As it does right now. Today 3 boxes of 3480 tapes showed up for my Serverpac. Now I have to resubmit the order after they corrected our account to show we are licensed for those products. Now another week or two before I can begin. Is it just me or does this happen often? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Haven't had that particular issue. ordered z/OS 1.8 from Shopzseries in October 2006 and it did the download just fine, no license issues. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I think it's a pain in the rear end. I'm going to be doing a serverpac for 1.9 in a couple of months; plan to order it on tape by phone to bypass all that. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, 02 May, 2008 01:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues Sorry - I must vent here. Is it just me or is ShopzSeries a poor process. Somehow they lost the fact that we were licensed for a couple of products. So when I placed my order they showed up on ADDITIONAL LICENSES screen. I selected them not knowing the problems that would cause and just blindly thought - a week or two and my z/OS V1.9 system would be available for download via the internet. During this time the website just showed Manufacturing INTERNET. As it does right now. Today 3 boxes of 3480 tapes showed up for my Serverpac. Now I have to resubmit the order after they corrected our account to show we are licensed for those products. Now another week or two before I can begin. Is it just me or does this happen often? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Lizette, I ran into this when I ordered 1.7, but I had uploaded a fresh (and complete) consolidated inventory report, so it just caused a minor delay and a phone call to get the process moving again. When I ordered 1.8 (just under the wire time wise), I had to order without a consolidated inventory report because my 1.7 wasn't installed yet. I did the same thing you did for a couple of products, also not realizing how painful that would be. Anyway, while I was a Share in Tampa, (Feb 07) this issue came up in one of the sessions. Apparently, there have been quite a few folks who have tried to slip in a few extra products, causing lots of upset too. After the first sign in page for Shop zSeries there is a link for My Licensed Software. You get the report immediately and it includes all the info you might need to verify with an invoice, including dates for all of the software that Shop zSeries has you licensed for. I have found that report most helpful in that if anything is not as it should be, it is much easier to correct before you do your Shop zSeries order. Depending on the products, you might not have to resubmit your order. My understanding is that dynamic activation products ship with every order, so you could turn then on later with the parmlib update. Have you tried internet delivery for your ServerPac? I have done it and I like it. It's much faster. Linda Mooney -- Original message -- From: Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry - I must vent here. Is it just me or is ShopzSeries a poor process. Somehow they lost the fact that we were licensed for a couple of products. So when I placed my order they showed up on ADDITIONAL LICENSES screen. I selected them not knowing the problems that would cause and just blindly thought - a week or two and my z/OS V1.9 system would be available for download via the internet. During this time the website just showed Manufacturing INTERNET. As it does right now. Today 3 boxes of 3480 tapes showed up for my Serverpac. Now I have to resubmit the order after they corrected our account to show we are licensed for those products. Now another week or two before I can begin. Is it just me or does this happen often? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck! ftp download, MUCH NICER - Original Message - From: Bonno, Tuco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues I think it's a pain in the rear end. I'm going to be doing a serverpac for 1.9 in a couple of months; plan to order it on tape by phone to bypass all that. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, 02 May, 2008 01:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues Sorry - I must vent here. Is it just me or is ShopzSeries a poor process. Somehow they lost the fact that we were licensed for a couple of products. So when I placed my order they showed up on ADDITIONAL LICENSES screen. I selected them not knowing the problems that would cause and just blindly thought - a week or two and my z/OS V1.9 system would be available for download via the internet. During this time the website just showed Manufacturing INTERNET. As it does right now. Today 3 boxes of 3480 tapes showed up for my Serverpac. Now I have to resubmit the order after they corrected our account to show we are licensed for those products. Now another week or two before I can begin. Is it just me or does this happen often? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
Linda, Yes my shop loves the internet process for serverpac. This came about because our z/OS V1.7 order was incorrectly created and somehow in that process IBM appears to have lost our license for PSF even though it is installed and properly licensed. I will definitely spend some time at the next SHARE I attend with the ShopzSeries group. I find their website is not idiot proof. Lizette []-- Snip I ran into this when I ordered 1.7, but I had uploaded a fresh (and complete) consolidated inventory report, so it just caused a minor delay and a phone call to get the process moving again. When I ordered 1.8 (just under the wire time wise), I had to order without a consolidated inventory report because my 1.7 wasn't installed yet. I did the same thing you did for a couple of products, also not realizing how painful that would be. Anyway, while I was a Share in Tampa, (Feb 07) this issue came up in one of the sessions. Apparently, there have been quite a few folks who have tried to slip in a few extra products, causing lots of upset too. After the first sign in page for Shop zSeries there is a link for My Licensed Software. You get the report immediately and it includes all the info you might need to verify with an invoice, including dates for all of the software that Shop zSeries has you licensed for. I have found that report most helpful in that if anything is not as it should be, it is much easier to correct before you do your Shop zSeries order. Depending on the products, you might not have to resubmit your order. My understanding is that dynamic activation products ship with every order, so you could turn then on later with the parmlib update. Have you tried internet delivery for your ServerPac? I have done it and I like it. It's much faster. [] -- UnSnip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
Yes it's great if you are allowed to connect your system to the internet. For the rest (few?) of us who cannot, we still need maintenance. And while we are on the subject, why does an internet download have to go to a Unix file? Is there some reason SMP/E couldn't handle a normal dataset? If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one. -Original Message- From: Bobbie Justice [mailto:snip] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck! ftp download, MUCH NICER -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I guess, your company might find it interesting to know that ftp and the internet has been around for a few months now, some of us are actually using it. . We keep a 54GB zfs file mounted at /DownloadDirector for products, serverpacs and maintenance, z/OS team uses it, DB2 team uses it, Network team uses it, CICS team uses it, etc., etc. and we run skulker to clean it up periodically - Original Message - From: Schwarz, Barry A [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues Yes it's great if you are allowed to connect your system to the internet. For the rest (few?) of us who cannot, we still need maintenance. And while we are on the subject, why does an internet download have to go to a Unix file? Is there some reason SMP/E couldn't handle a normal dataset? If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one. -Original Message- From: Bobbie Justice [mailto:snip] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck! ftp download, MUCH NICER -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
Barry Schwarz writes: If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one. You did. :-) z/OS includes UNIX(TM). - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
