Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Ed Jaffe]

On 8/17/2018 11:22 AM, Jerry Whitteridge wrote:

My concern is/would be the number of WLP servers with each service taking
their own.  I'd like to see something more along the lines of "Customer"
and "Systems" instances so for example z/OS Connect EE would fall under the
"Customer" bucket, and z/OSMF and Zowe could share WLP under the "Systems"
bucket.  But really looking at how to share the use of those WLP servers.


The intended deployment model for JS/JSP/JEL/JWS servers like Tomcat, 
Liberty, and others is that commercial products should stand up their 
own servers and often even their own Java deployments. A few examples: 
IBM's z/OSMF is *closed* to other applications. IBM's kc4z is *closed* 
to other applications.  PSI's (E)JES Web is *closed* to other 
applications. CA's Chorus Software Manager (MSM) is *closed* to other 
applications. And, though it's technically possible to deploy multiple 
WAR files in a single JS/JSP/JEL/JWS server, as is sometimes done for 
small, casual-use applications, it's not usual practice for commercial 
products and I would not recommend doing so -- especially if there is 
any authorized code involved.


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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[zMan]

Whatever you do, don't look up Zowe on Urban Dictionary.

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:23 PM Jerry Whitteridge 
wrote:

> You have it exactly. And thanks.
>
> My concern is/would be the number of WLP servers with each service taking
> their own.  I'd like to see something more along the lines of "Customer"
> and "Systems" instances so for example z/OS Connect EE would fall under the
> "Customer" bucket, and z/OSMF and Zowe could share WLP under the "Systems"
> bucket.  But really looking at how to share the use of those WLP servers.
>
> Jerry Whitteridge
> Delivery Manager / Mainframe Architect
> GTS - Safeway Account
> 602 527 4871 Mobile
> jerry.whitteri...@ibm.com
>
> IBM Services
>
> IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on
> 08/17/2018 09:55:43 AM:
>
> > From: Bruce Armstrong 
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Date: 08/17/2018 09:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> >
> > I think you mean "z/OS Connect EE" ..as I have history with z/OS
> > Connect let me summarize positioning
> >
> > - z/OS Connect EE focus is customer COBOL or PL/I applications running in
>
> > CICS and IMS - it can do other environments too (MQ, WAS for z/OS) but
> > let's generally say Line of Business applications
> > - Zowe (and with z/OSMF) is primarily focused on "System APIs" (submit a
> > job, get a dataset, etc)
> > - You will see in the future more IBM and other vendor products provide
> > their own APIs..I will call these "Product APIs" (for lack of a
> better
> > term)...for example access to monitoring or performance data via APIs.
> >
> > Yes there are more server instances than in the past - welcome to one
> > aspect of the world of micro-services architectures. The reason that I
> > hedge to say we are looking out how to consolidate server instances is we
>
> > need input from customers on the right division of duties for these
> > servers. We are thinking "product APIs" may best run on a different
> > instance that "system APIs" or LOB application APIs.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bruce Armstrong
> > IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org
> > 4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141
> > Email: armst...@us.ibm.com
> > Tel: 919-254-8773
> > Cell: 919-931-3132
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:   Jerry Whitteridge 
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Date:   08/17/2018 12:09 PM
> > Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> > Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> >
> >
> >
> > How does Zowe play with the zConnect product ? Sounds like I'm starting
> to
> > get WLP servers breeding over night !
> >
> > Jerry Whitteridge
> > Delivery Manager / Mainframe Architect
> > GTS - Safeway Account
> > 602 527 4871 Mobile
> > jerry.whitteri...@ibm.com
> >
> > IBM Services
> >
> > IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on
> > 08/17/2018 08:50:56 AM:
> >
> > > From: Bruce Armstrong 
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Date: 08/17/2018 08:51 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> > > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> > >
> > > Correct (and I am interpreting you definition of a "z/OS system" to
> mean
> > > one LPAR...In addition to 2 Libertys there is at least one node.js
> > > instance for the web ui. There are also started tasks for API Mediation
> > > (using Spring boot) and currently a security server - we are looking
> how
> > > reduce the number of server instances but this is a "today" statement.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bruce Armstrong
> > > IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org
> > > 4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141
> > > Email: armst...@us.ibm.com
> > > Tel: 919-254-8773
> > > Cell: 919-931-3132
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:   Gord Tomlin 
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Date:   08/17/2018 11:23 AM
> > > Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> > > Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2018-08-17 10:56, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
> > > > Zowe is open source ..it uses z/OSMF

Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Jerry Whitteridge]

You have it exactly. And thanks.

My concern is/would be the number of WLP servers with each service taking
their own.  I'd like to see something more along the lines of "Customer"
and "Systems" instances so for example z/OS Connect EE would fall under the
"Customer" bucket, and z/OSMF and Zowe could share WLP under the "Systems"
bucket.  But really looking at how to share the use of those WLP servers.

Jerry Whitteridge
Delivery Manager / Mainframe Architect
GTS - Safeway Account
602 527 4871 Mobile
jerry.whitteri...@ibm.com

IBM Services

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on
08/17/2018 09:55:43 AM:

> From: Bruce Armstrong 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 08/17/2018 09:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
> I think you mean "z/OS Connect EE" ..as I have history with z/OS
> Connect let me summarize positioning
>
> - z/OS Connect EE focus is customer COBOL or PL/I applications running in

> CICS and IMS - it can do other environments too (MQ, WAS for z/OS) but
> let's generally say Line of Business applications
> - Zowe (and with z/OSMF) is primarily focused on "System APIs" (submit a
> job, get a dataset, etc)
> - You will see in the future more IBM and other vendor products provide
> their own APIs..I will call these "Product APIs" (for lack of a
better
> term)...for example access to monitoring or performance data via APIs.
>
> Yes there are more server instances than in the past - welcome to one
> aspect of the world of micro-services architectures. The reason that I
> hedge to say we are looking out how to consolidate server instances is we

> need input from customers on the right division of duties for these
> servers. We are thinking "product APIs" may best run on a different
> instance that "system APIs" or LOB application APIs.
>
>
>
> Bruce Armstrong
> IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org
> 4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141
> Email: armst...@us.ibm.com
> Tel: 919-254-8773
> Cell: 919-931-3132
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:   Jerry Whitteridge 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date:   08/17/2018 12:09 PM
> Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
>
>
> How does Zowe play with the zConnect product ? Sounds like I'm starting
to
> get WLP servers breeding over night !
>
> Jerry Whitteridge
> Delivery Manager / Mainframe Architect
> GTS - Safeway Account
> 602 527 4871 Mobile
> jerry.whitteri...@ibm.com
>
> IBM Services
>
> IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on
> 08/17/2018 08:50:56 AM:
>
> > From: Bruce Armstrong 
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Date: 08/17/2018 08:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> >
> > Correct (and I am interpreting you definition of a "z/OS system" to
mean
> > one LPAR...In addition to 2 Libertys there is at least one node.js
> > instance for the web ui. There are also started tasks for API Mediation
> > (using Spring boot) and currently a security server - we are looking
how
> > reduce the number of server instances but this is a "today" statement.
> >
> >
> > Bruce Armstrong
> > IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org
> > 4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141
> > Email: armst...@us.ibm.com
> > Tel: 919-254-8773
> > Cell: 919-931-3132
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:   Gord Tomlin 
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Date:   08/17/2018 11:23 AM
> > Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> > Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List

> >
> >
> >
> > On 2018-08-17 10:56, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
> > > Zowe is open source ..it uses z/OSMF (which runs on Liberty and
is
> > not
> > >
> > > open to additional uses)..Zowe ships a copy of Liberty and we are
> > >
> > > working on how to allow extensions to run in the Zowe supplied
> Liberty.
> >
> > To ensure that everyone is 100% clear, any z/OS system running Zowe
will
> > be running a minimum of two Liberty instances, the system-provided one
> > for z/OSMF and the Zowe-provided one?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards, Gord Tomlin
> > Action Software International
> > (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)
> > Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507
> > Support:
> > INVALID URI REMOVED
> > u=https-3A__actionsoftware.com_support_=DwIFA

Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Bruce Armstrong]

I think you mean "z/OS Connect EE" ..as I have history with z/OS 
Connect let me summarize positioning 

- z/OS Connect EE focus is customer COBOL or PL/I applications running in 
CICS and IMS - it can do other environments too (MQ, WAS for z/OS) but 
let's generally say Line of Business applications 
- Zowe (and with z/OSMF) is primarily focused on "System APIs" (submit a 
job, get a dataset, etc)
- You will see in the future more IBM and other vendor products provide 
their own APIs..I will call these "Product APIs" (for lack of a better 
term)...for example access to monitoring or performance data via APIs. 

Yes there are more server instances than in the past - welcome to one 
aspect of the world of micro-services architectures. The reason that I 
hedge to say we are looking out how to consolidate server instances is we 
need input from customers on the right division of duties for these 
servers. We are thinking "product APIs" may best run on a different 
instance that "system APIs" or LOB application APIs. 


 
Bruce Armstrong 
IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org 
4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141
Email: armst...@us.ibm.com
Tel: 919-254-8773
Cell: 919-931-3132


  



From:   Jerry Whitteridge 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date:   08/17/2018 12:09 PM
Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 



How does Zowe play with the zConnect product ? Sounds like I'm starting to
get WLP servers breeding over night !

Jerry Whitteridge
Delivery Manager / Mainframe Architect
GTS - Safeway Account
602 527 4871 Mobile
jerry.whitteri...@ibm.com

IBM Services

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on
08/17/2018 08:50:56 AM:

> From: Bruce Armstrong 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 08/17/2018 08:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
> Correct (and I am interpreting you definition of a "z/OS system" to mean
> one LPAR...In addition to 2 Libertys there is at least one node.js
> instance for the web ui. There are also started tasks for API Mediation
> (using Spring boot) and currently a security server - we are looking how
> reduce the number of server instances but this is a "today" statement.
>
>
> Bruce Armstrong
> IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org
> 4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141
> Email: armst...@us.ibm.com
> Tel: 919-254-8773
> Cell: 919-931-3132
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:   Gord Tomlin 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date:   08/17/2018 11:23 AM
> Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
>
>
> On 2018-08-17 10:56, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
> > Zowe is open source ..it uses z/OSMF (which runs on Liberty and is
> not
> >
> > open to additional uses)..Zowe ships a copy of Liberty and we are
> >
> > working on how to allow extensions to run in the Zowe supplied 
Liberty.
>
> To ensure that everyone is 100% clear, any z/OS system running Zowe will
> be running a minimum of two Liberty instances, the system-provided one
> for z/OSMF and the Zowe-provided one?
>
> --
>
> Regards, Gord Tomlin
> Action Software International
> (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)
> Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507
> Support:
> INVALID URI REMOVED
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>
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Jerry Whitteridge]

How does Zowe play with the zConnect product ? Sounds like I'm starting to
get WLP servers breeding over night !

Jerry Whitteridge
Delivery Manager / Mainframe Architect
GTS - Safeway Account
602 527 4871 Mobile
jerry.whitteri...@ibm.com

IBM Services

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on
08/17/2018 08:50:56 AM:

> From: Bruce Armstrong 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 08/17/2018 08:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
> Correct (and I am interpreting you definition of a "z/OS system" to mean
> one LPAR...In addition to 2 Libertys there is at least one node.js
> instance for the web ui. There are also started tasks for API Mediation
> (using Spring boot) and currently a security server - we are looking how
> reduce the number of server instances but this is a "today" statement.
>
>
> Bruce Armstrong
> IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org
> 4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141
> Email: armst...@us.ibm.com
> Tel: 919-254-8773
> Cell: 919-931-3132
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:   Gord Tomlin 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date:   08/17/2018 11:23 AM
> Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
>
>
> On 2018-08-17 10:56, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
> > Zowe is open source ..it uses z/OSMF (which runs on Liberty and is
> not
> >
> > open to additional uses)..Zowe ships a copy of Liberty and we are
> >
> > working on how to allow extensions to run in the Zowe supplied Liberty.
>
> To ensure that everyone is 100% clear, any z/OS system running Zowe will
> be running a minimum of two Liberty instances, the system-provided one
> for z/OSMF and the Zowe-provided one?
>
> --
>
> Regards, Gord Tomlin
> Action Software International
> (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)
> Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507
> Support:
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Bruce Armstrong]

Correct (and I am interpreting you definition of a "z/OS system" to mean 
one LPAR...In addition to 2 Libertys there is at least one node.js 
instance for the web ui. There are also started tasks for API Mediation 
(using Spring boot) and currently a security server - we are looking how 
reduce the number of server instances but this is a "today" statement. 

 
Bruce Armstrong 
IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org 
4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141
Email: armst...@us.ibm.com
Tel: 919-254-8773
Cell: 919-931-3132


  



From:   Gord Tomlin 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date:   08/17/2018 11:23 AM
Subject:    Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
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On 2018-08-17 10:56, Bruce Armstrong wrote:
> Zowe is open source ..it uses z/OSMF (which runs on Liberty and is 
not
> 
> open to additional uses)..Zowe ships a copy of Liberty and we are
> 
> working on how to allow extensions to run in the Zowe supplied Liberty.

To ensure that everyone is 100% clear, any z/OS system running Zowe will 
be running a minimum of two Liberty instances, the system-provided one 
for z/OSMF and the Zowe-provided one?

--

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Action Software International
(a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)
Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507
Support: 
https://actionsoftware.com/support/


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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Gord Tomlin]

On 2018-08-17 10:56, Bruce Armstrong wrote:

Zowe is open source ..it uses z/OSMF (which runs on Liberty and is not

open to additional uses)..Zowe ships a copy of Liberty and we are

working on how to allow extensions to run in the Zowe supplied Liberty.


To ensure that everyone is 100% clear, any z/OS system running Zowe will 
be running a minimum of two Liberty instances, the system-provided one 
for z/OSMF and the Zowe-provided one?


--

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Action Software International
(a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)
Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507
Support: https://actionsoftware.com/support/

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Jerry Callen]

NOTE: I'm not a Zowe developer, but I sit near some of them at Rocket
and have some understanding of its structure via osmosis. :-) This
should not be considered "authoritative."

There are several pieces to Zowe:

* A web client (code that runs in the browser: HTML, CSS and
  JavaScript). This is, as I understand it, all open source. Since it
  runs in the browser, there's not much choice. :-)

* A node.js server that provides some services itself (including
  serving the web content to the browser) and proxies to other
  services. This can run on z/OS or on other platforms. Since it's
  mostly just a proxy server, there are a bunch of other "back end"
  servers it can talk to:

  * A z/OS server that provides some of the "native" z/OS services.
  * The standard z/OS TN3270 portal (to provide 3270 emulation support).
  * The standard z/OS telnet portal (for USS native logins).
  * REST services provided by ZOSMF or anything else.

The web client code is designed to allow new components to be easily
plugged-in; those components can use REST or WebSockets to talk to
whatever backend pieces they need. The slick part is the "virtual
desktop" in which these plug-ins live.

Because Zowe includes a TN3270 client, it doesn't in any sense
prohibit access to traditional TSO/ISPF services. Similarly, it
provides a "VT" client, so it can talk to USS, as well. Each of
these is just a window on the virtual desktop. 

Plug-ins can be either open or closed source, especially on the
server side.

It's pretty nifty. :-)

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Bruce Armstrong]

Zowe is open source ..it uses z/OSMF (which runs on Liberty and is not 
open to additional uses)..Zowe ships a copy of Liberty and we are 
working on how to allow extensions to run in the Zowe supplied Liberty. 

Zowe also ships a node.js server and we are also working on how that can 
be used. 

Zowe has an open beta today - that open beta contains both Liberty and 
node.js instances. Zowe open source is rolling out in stages over the 
coming months. We still are working on whether node.js is included in Zowe 
or will be a pre-req. And if a pre-req how will it be acquired. 

 
Bruce Armstrong 
IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org 
4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141
Email: armst...@us.ibm.com
Tel: 919-254-8773
Cell: 919-931-3132


  



From:   Kirk Wolf 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date:   08/17/2018 10:40 AM
Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
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Bruce,

I'm not sure that I understand -

Zowe is open-source, but it must run in z/OSMF Liberty and you aren't free
to deploy your own code there ?

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Bruce Armstrong 
wrote:

> David - deploying into the z/OSMF Liberty instance is a no-no as it is
>
> part of the z/OS operating system and IBM wants to control what runs 
there
>
> for support reasons/security, etc. (I think there maybe be T that 
limit
>
> what runs there. I have not dug into the specifics to know if there is 
any
>
> signing of the code or technical limits.)
>
>
>
> We are looking at how we can provide extensibility of the Zowe Explorer
>
> instance. Explorer code is running on Liberty for z/OS. There is nothing
>
> technically preventing things from running there that I am aware. The
>
> nuances of that is better asked in the slack channel.  I don't want to
>
> play lawyer too much here. We want to provide extensibility of that
>
> Liberty but we need to ensure what runs there is Zowe-related 
processing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bruce Armstrong
>
> IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org
>
> 4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141
>
> Email: armst...@us.ibm.com
>
> Tel: 919-254-8773
>
> Cell: 919-931-3132
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:   David Crayford 
>
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>
> Date:   08/17/2018 06:12 AM
>
> Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
>
> Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17/08/2018 4:27 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote:
>
> > You can use the files, data sets, and jobs services in Zowe without
>
> z/OSMF
>
> > ?
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't think so. There's nothing wrong the the z/OSMF APIs it's the UI
>
> that people don't like.
>
>
>
> We've got a new product with a REST API that's basically a JAX-RS Java
>
> servlet calling JNI code. Doe's this new open mainframe
>
> initiative mean we can deploy our servlet into z/OSMF or the explorer
>
> server shipped with Zowe? I suppose that's a question
>
> better asked on the Slack channel.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:43 AM, David Crayford 
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> I think it is worthwhile. I  can understand why you are dubious WRT
>
> >> previous experiences with z/OSMF but Zowe looks different. It's using
>
> >> cutting edge JavaScript frameworks like Angular for the UI which 
comes
>
> from
>
> >> Google. They have
>
> >> embraced open source and I've checked out the github repo and it 
looks
>
> >> good. Let's face it, recreating ISPF using HTML was a bad idea! But
>
> this is
>
> >> hopefully a new direction. I'm still confused what is
>
> >> free and what you have to pay for. the zLUX UI has a 3270 emulator 
but
>
> it
>
> >> appears that you need a library from Rocket which I assume comes from
>
> their
>
> >> 3270 emulation suite (commerical).
>
> >> Vendors don't want to give away money spinning products do they? Most
>
> of
>
> >> us will stick to our emulator of choice anyway.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> On 16/08/2018 7:32 PM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Tried to look at it from the office and our firewall blocks it ☹
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I did read up on it and my 1st impressions are that it is yet 
another
>
> >>> attempt to create a new system management interface utilizing z/OSMF
>
> and
>
> >>> provide the tools/parts for anyone to build them. Is this worthwhile 
-
>
> I'm
>
> &g

Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Kirk Wolf]

Bruce,

I'm not sure that I understand -

Zowe is open-source, but it must run in z/OSMF Liberty and you aren't free
to deploy your own code there ?

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Bruce Armstrong 
wrote:

> David - deploying into the z/OSMF Liberty instance is a no-no as it is
>
> part of the z/OS operating system and IBM wants to control what runs there
>
> for support reasons/security, etc. (I think there maybe be T that limit
>
> what runs there. I have not dug into the specifics to know if there is any
>
> signing of the code or technical limits.)
>
>
>
> We are looking at how we can provide extensibility of the Zowe Explorer
>
> instance. Explorer code is running on Liberty for z/OS. There is nothing
>
> technically preventing things from running there that I am aware. The
>
> nuances of that is better asked in the slack channel.  I don't want to
>
> play lawyer too much here. We want to provide extensibility of that
>
> Liberty but we need to ensure what runs there is Zowe-related processing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bruce Armstrong
>
> IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org
>
> 4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141
>
> Email: armst...@us.ibm.com
>
> Tel: 919-254-8773
>
> Cell: 919-931-3132
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:   David Crayford 
>
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>
> Date:   08/17/2018 06:12 AM
>
> Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
>
> Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17/08/2018 4:27 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote:
>
> > You can use the files, data sets, and jobs services in Zowe without
>
> z/OSMF
>
> > ?
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't think so. There's nothing wrong the the z/OSMF APIs it's the UI
>
> that people don't like.
>
>
>
> We've got a new product with a REST API that's basically a JAX-RS Java
>
> servlet calling JNI code. Doe's this new open mainframe
>
> initiative mean we can deploy our servlet into z/OSMF or the explorer
>
> server shipped with Zowe? I suppose that's a question
>
> better asked on the Slack channel.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:43 AM, David Crayford 
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> I think it is worthwhile. I  can understand why you are dubious WRT
>
> >> previous experiences with z/OSMF but Zowe looks different. It's using
>
> >> cutting edge JavaScript frameworks like Angular for the UI which comes
>
> from
>
> >> Google. They have
>
> >> embraced open source and I've checked out the github repo and it looks
>
> >> good. Let's face it, recreating ISPF using HTML was a bad idea! But
>
> this is
>
> >> hopefully a new direction. I'm still confused what is
>
> >> free and what you have to pay for. the zLUX UI has a 3270 emulator but
>
> it
>
> >> appears that you need a library from Rocket which I assume comes from
>
> their
>
> >> 3270 emulation suite (commerical).
>
> >> Vendors don't want to give away money spinning products do they? Most
>
> of
>
> >> us will stick to our emulator of choice anyway.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> On 16/08/2018 7:32 PM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Tried to look at it from the office and our firewall blocks it ☹
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I did read up on it and my 1st impressions are that it is yet another
>
> >>> attempt to create a new system management interface utilizing z/OSMF
>
> and
>
> >>> provide the tools/parts for anyone to build them. Is this worthwhile -
>
> I'm
>
> >>> not sure yet. Replacing a sub-second response interface using TN3270
>
> with a
>
> >>> multi-second web interface (based on experience using z/OSMF ISPF
>
> option)
>
> >>> does not seem like a step in the right direction.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> 
>
> >>> --
>
> >>> Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor)  <
>
> >>> Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> -Original Message-
>
> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
>
> On
>
> >>> Behalf Of David Crayford
>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:27 AM
>
> >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>
> >>> Subje

Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[David Crayford]

Bruce,

That's what I thought WRT z/OSMF. We ship a turnkey Apache Tomcat server 
but our servlet WARs and native code run fine in WLP. But there
are license issues. Having a WLP instance that we can deploy into would 
dramatically reduce the footprint of our product if we want to integrate
with Zowe. I really do hope that IBM will be willing to provide a free 
to use servlet container for vendors to deploy their products into.




On 17/08/2018 6:42 PM, Bruce Armstrong wrote:

David - deploying into the z/OSMF Liberty instance is a no-no as it is

part of the z/OS operating system and IBM wants to control what runs there

for support reasons/security, etc. (I think there maybe be T that limit

what runs there. I have not dug into the specifics to know if there is any

signing of the code or technical limits.)



We are looking at how we can provide extensibility of the Zowe Explorer

instance. Explorer code is running on Liberty for z/OS. There is nothing

technically preventing things from running there that I am aware. The

nuances of that is better asked in the slack channel.  I don't want to

play lawyer too much here. We want to provide extensibility of that

Liberty but we need to ensure what runs there is Zowe-related processing.





  


Bruce Armstrong

IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org

4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141

Email: armst...@us.ibm.com

Tel: 919-254-8773

Cell: 919-931-3132





   








From:   David Crayford 

To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Date:   08/17/2018 06:12 AM

Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 







On 17/08/2018 4:27 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote:


You can use the files, data sets, and jobs services in Zowe without

z/OSMF


?





I don't think so. There's nothing wrong the the z/OSMF APIs it's the UI

that people don't like.



We've got a new product with a REST API that's basically a JAX-RS Java

servlet calling JNI code. Doe's this new open mainframe

initiative mean we can deploy our servlet into z/OSMF or the explorer

server shipped with Zowe? I suppose that's a question

better asked on the Slack channel.






On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:43 AM, David Crayford 

wrote:


I think it is worthwhile. I  can understand why you are dubious WRT
previous experiences with z/OSMF but Zowe looks different. It's using
cutting edge JavaScript frameworks like Angular for the UI which comes

from


Google. They have
embraced open source and I've checked out the github repo and it looks
good. Let's face it, recreating ISPF using HTML was a bad idea! But

this is


hopefully a new direction. I'm still confused what is
free and what you have to pay for. the zLUX UI has a 3270 emulator but

it


appears that you need a library from Rocket which I assume comes from

their


3270 emulation suite (commerical).
Vendors don't want to give away money spinning products do they? Most

of


us will stick to our emulator of choice anyway.
On 16/08/2018 7:32 PM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote:

Tried to look at it from the office and our firewall blocks it ☹
I did read up on it and my 1st impressions are that it is yet another
attempt to create a new system management interface utilizing z/OSMF

and


provide the tools/parts for anyone to build them. Is this worthwhile -

I'm


not sure yet. Replacing a sub-second response interface using TN3270

with a


multi-second web interface (based on experience using z/OSMF ISPF

option)


does not seem like a step in the right direction.

--
Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor)  <
Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]

On


Behalf Of David Crayford
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:27 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
Lots of buzz about Zowe [1] at SHARE this week and first impressions

are


overwhelmingly positive. It looks like a great initiative to modernize

the


mainframe without tubby Eclipse. We downloaded the beta but it was

missing


parts, most importantly installation scripts so it's a bit of a

anti-climax.


Has anybody
managed to install Zowe successfully?
[1]

https://zowe.org




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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Bruce Armstrong]

David - deploying into the z/OSMF Liberty instance is a no-no as it is 
part of the z/OS operating system and IBM wants to control what runs there 
for support reasons/security, etc. (I think there maybe be T that limit 
what runs there. I have not dug into the specifics to know if there is any 
signing of the code or technical limits.) 

We are looking at how we can provide extensibility of the Zowe Explorer 
instance. Explorer code is running on Liberty for z/OS. There is nothing 
technically preventing things from running there that I am aware. The 
nuances of that is better asked in the slack channel.  I don't want to 
play lawyer too much here. We want to provide extensibility of that 
Liberty but we need to ensure what runs there is Zowe-related processing. 


 
Bruce Armstrong 
IBM System Z Offering Manager- zowe.org 
4205 S MIAMI BLVD, DURHAM NC 27703-9141
Email: armst...@us.ibm.com
Tel: 919-254-8773
Cell: 919-931-3132


  



From:   David Crayford 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date:   08/17/2018 06:12 AM
Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 



On 17/08/2018 4:27 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote:
> You can use the files, data sets, and jobs services in Zowe without 
z/OSMF
> ?


I don't think so. There's nothing wrong the the z/OSMF APIs it's the UI 
that people don't like.

We've got a new product with a REST API that's basically a JAX-RS Java 
servlet calling JNI code. Doe's this new open mainframe
initiative mean we can deploy our servlet into z/OSMF or the explorer 
server shipped with Zowe? I suppose that's a question
better asked on the Slack channel.


>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:43 AM, David Crayford  
wrote:
>
>> I think it is worthwhile. I  can understand why you are dubious WRT
>> previous experiences with z/OSMF but Zowe looks different. It's using
>> cutting edge JavaScript frameworks like Angular for the UI which comes 
from
>> Google. They have
>> embraced open source and I've checked out the github repo and it looks
>> good. Let's face it, recreating ISPF using HTML was a bad idea! But 
this is
>> hopefully a new direction. I'm still confused what is
>> free and what you have to pay for. the zLUX UI has a 3270 emulator but 
it
>> appears that you need a library from Rocket which I assume comes from 
their
>> 3270 emulation suite (commerical).
>> Vendors don't want to give away money spinning products do they? Most 
of
>> us will stick to our emulator of choice anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/08/2018 7:32 PM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote:
>>
>>> Tried to look at it from the office and our firewall blocks it ☹
>>>
>>> I did read up on it and my 1st impressions are that it is yet another
>>> attempt to create a new system management interface utilizing z/OSMF 
and
>>> provide the tools/parts for anyone to build them. Is this worthwhile - 
I'm
>>> not sure yet. Replacing a sub-second response interface using TN3270 
with a
>>> multi-second web interface (based on experience using z/OSMF ISPF 
option)
>>> does not seem like a step in the right direction.
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor)  <
>>> Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
On
>>> Behalf Of David Crayford
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:27 AM
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
>>>
>>> Lots of buzz about Zowe [1] at SHARE this week and first impressions 
are
>>> overwhelmingly positive. It looks like a great initiative to modernize 
the
>>> mainframe without tubby Eclipse. We downloaded the beta but it was 
missing
>>> parts, most importantly installation scripts so it's a bit of a 
anti-climax.
>>> Has anybody
>>> managed to install Zowe successfully?
>>>
>>> [1] 
https://zowe.org

>>>
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[David Crayford]

On 17/08/2018 4:27 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote:

You can use the files, data sets, and jobs services in Zowe without z/OSMF
?



I don't think so. There's nothing wrong the the z/OSMF APIs it's the UI 
that people don't like.


We've got a new product with a REST API that's basically a JAX-RS Java 
servlet calling JNI code. Doe's this new open mainframe
initiative mean we can deploy our servlet into z/OSMF or the explorer 
server shipped with Zowe? I suppose that's a question

better asked on the Slack channel.




On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:43 AM, David Crayford  wrote:


I think it is worthwhile. I  can understand why you are dubious WRT
previous experiences with z/OSMF but Zowe looks different. It's using
cutting edge JavaScript frameworks like Angular for the UI which comes from
Google. They have
embraced open source and I've checked out the github repo and it looks
good. Let's face it, recreating ISPF using HTML was a bad idea! But this is
hopefully a new direction. I'm still confused what is
free and what you have to pay for. the zLUX UI has a 3270 emulator but it
appears that you need a library from Rocket which I assume comes from their
3270 emulation suite (commerical).
Vendors don't want to give away money spinning products do they? Most of
us will stick to our emulator of choice anyway.



On 16/08/2018 7:32 PM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote:


Tried to look at it from the office and our firewall blocks it ☹

I did read up on it and my 1st impressions are that it is yet another
attempt to create a new system management interface utilizing z/OSMF and
provide the tools/parts for anyone to build them. Is this worthwhile - I'm
not sure yet. Replacing a sub-second response interface using TN3270 with a
multi-second web interface (based on experience using z/OSMF ISPF option)
does not seem like a step in the right direction.


--
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Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of David Crayford
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:27 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

Lots of buzz about Zowe [1] at SHARE this week and first impressions are
overwhelmingly positive. It looks like a great initiative to modernize the
mainframe without tubby Eclipse. We downloaded the beta but it was missing
parts, most importantly installation scripts so it's a bit of a anti-climax.
Has anybody
managed to install Zowe successfully?

[1] https://zowe.org

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Matt Hogstrom]

Sorry, dyslexic memory

slack.openmainframeproject.org 

WRT z/OSMF.  Right now Zowe is leveraging the z/OSMF APIs.  We are discussing 
whether we should pre-req or provide an abstraction for some of the APIs ..  
for instance, file services can easily use a delegating pattern and we could 
plug in different providers.  Capabilities like Workflows requires a more 
substantial investment.  Let us know via Slack or e-mail your preference.  We 
understand z/OSMF has traditionally been a rather huge pre-req.

Matt Hogstrom


“It may be cognitive, but, it ain’t intuitive."
— Hogstrom

> On Aug 16, 2018, at 8:26 PM, Rob Schramm  wrote:
> 
> Is that slack url correct??
> 
> Rob
> 
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 4:28 PM Kirk Wolf  wrote:
> 
>> You can use the files, data sets, and jobs services in Zowe without z/OSMF
>> ?
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:43 AM, David Crayford 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think it is worthwhile. I  can understand why you are dubious WRT
>>> previous experiences with z/OSMF but Zowe looks different. It's using
>>> cutting edge JavaScript frameworks like Angular for the UI which comes
>> from
>>> Google. They have
>>> embraced open source and I've checked out the github repo and it looks
>>> good. Let's face it, recreating ISPF using HTML was a bad idea! But this
>> is
>>> hopefully a new direction. I'm still confused what is
>>> free and what you have to pay for. the zLUX UI has a 3270 emulator but it
>>> appears that you need a library from Rocket which I assume comes from
>> their
>>> 3270 emulation suite (commerical).
>>> Vendors don't want to give away money spinning products do they? Most of
>>> us will stick to our emulator of choice anyway.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 16/08/2018 7:32 PM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote:
>>> 
 Tried to look at it from the office and our firewall blocks it ☹
 
 I did read up on it and my 1st impressions are that it is yet another
 attempt to create a new system management interface utilizing z/OSMF and
 provide the tools/parts for anyone to build them. Is this worthwhile -
>> I'm
 not sure yet. Replacing a sub-second response interface using TN3270
>> with a
 multi-second web interface (based on experience using z/OSMF ISPF
>> option)
 does not seem like a step in the right direction.
 
 
 --
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 Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
>> On
 Behalf Of David Crayford
 Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:27 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
 
 Lots of buzz about Zowe [1] at SHARE this week and first impressions are
 overwhelmingly positive. It looks like a great initiative to modernize
>> the
 mainframe without tubby Eclipse. We downloaded the beta but it was
>> missing
 parts, most importantly installation scripts so it's a bit of a
>> anti-climax.
 Has anybody
 managed to install Zowe successfully?
 
 [1] https://zowe.org
 
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Rob Schramm]

Is that slack url correct??

Rob

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 4:28 PM Kirk Wolf  wrote:

> You can use the files, data sets, and jobs services in Zowe without z/OSMF
> ?
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:43 AM, David Crayford 
> wrote:
>
> > I think it is worthwhile. I  can understand why you are dubious WRT
> > previous experiences with z/OSMF but Zowe looks different. It's using
> > cutting edge JavaScript frameworks like Angular for the UI which comes
> from
> > Google. They have
> > embraced open source and I've checked out the github repo and it looks
> > good. Let's face it, recreating ISPF using HTML was a bad idea! But this
> is
> > hopefully a new direction. I'm still confused what is
> > free and what you have to pay for. the zLUX UI has a 3270 emulator but it
> > appears that you need a library from Rocket which I assume comes from
> their
> > 3270 emulation suite (commerical).
> > Vendors don't want to give away money spinning products do they? Most of
> > us will stick to our emulator of choice anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 16/08/2018 7:32 PM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote:
> >
> >> Tried to look at it from the office and our firewall blocks it ☹
> >>
> >> I did read up on it and my 1st impressions are that it is yet another
> >> attempt to create a new system management interface utilizing z/OSMF and
> >> provide the tools/parts for anyone to build them. Is this worthwhile -
> I'm
> >> not sure yet. Replacing a sub-second response interface using TN3270
> with a
> >> multi-second web interface (based on experience using z/OSMF ISPF
> option)
> >> does not seem like a step in the right direction.
> >>
> >> 
> >> --
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> >> Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On
> >> Behalf Of David Crayford
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:27 AM
> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
> >>
> >> Lots of buzz about Zowe [1] at SHARE this week and first impressions are
> >> overwhelmingly positive. It looks like a great initiative to modernize
> the
> >> mainframe without tubby Eclipse. We downloaded the beta but it was
> missing
> >> parts, most importantly installation scripts so it's a bit of a
> anti-climax.
> >> Has anybody
> >> managed to install Zowe successfully?
> >>
> >> [1] https://zowe.org
> >>
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Kirk Wolf]

You can use the files, data sets, and jobs services in Zowe without z/OSMF
?

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:43 AM, David Crayford  wrote:

> I think it is worthwhile. I  can understand why you are dubious WRT
> previous experiences with z/OSMF but Zowe looks different. It's using
> cutting edge JavaScript frameworks like Angular for the UI which comes from
> Google. They have
> embraced open source and I've checked out the github repo and it looks
> good. Let's face it, recreating ISPF using HTML was a bad idea! But this is
> hopefully a new direction. I'm still confused what is
> free and what you have to pay for. the zLUX UI has a 3270 emulator but it
> appears that you need a library from Rocket which I assume comes from their
> 3270 emulation suite (commerical).
> Vendors don't want to give away money spinning products do they? Most of
> us will stick to our emulator of choice anyway.
>
>
>
> On 16/08/2018 7:32 PM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote:
>
>> Tried to look at it from the office and our firewall blocks it ☹
>>
>> I did read up on it and my 1st impressions are that it is yet another
>> attempt to create a new system management interface utilizing z/OSMF and
>> provide the tools/parts for anyone to build them. Is this worthwhile - I'm
>> not sure yet. Replacing a sub-second response interface using TN3270 with a
>> multi-second web interface (based on experience using z/OSMF ISPF option)
>> does not seem like a step in the right direction.
>>
>> 
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>> Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
>> Behalf Of David Crayford
>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:27 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes
>>
>> Lots of buzz about Zowe [1] at SHARE this week and first impressions are
>> overwhelmingly positive. It looks like a great initiative to modernize the
>> mainframe without tubby Eclipse. We downloaded the beta but it was missing
>> parts, most importantly installation scripts so it's a bit of a anti-climax.
>> Has anybody
>> managed to install Zowe successfully?
>>
>> [1] https://zowe.org
>>
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Matt Hogstrom]

Someone forwarded me a link to this thread about Zowe.  I am part of the Zowe 
project and would be happy to answer any questions you have.  

From the thread so far there are some good questions.  I'll try and answer them 
here.

Zowe's mission is to provide a rallying point for improving administrative / 
management capabilities on z/OS so we can lower the barrier for new system 
programmers and developers that are not interested in the platform.  Zowe is a 
collection of technologies from CA, IBM and Rocket that are broadly broken down 
into REST APIs and management, Web Desktop (we call this zLUX) and a command 
line interface.  The breakdown of initial contribution was IBM, Rocket and CA 
for the components described before.

Why?
A rising tide lifts all boats has been a common discussion point in the team.  
z/OS has traditionally been proprietary and this has created barriers that make 
interoperability across administrative and management domains a challenge.  The 
founding members (and read this as exactly that, founding members, we are 
reaching out to Synsort, BMC, Compuware and all the other ISVs to come and work 
with us.).   The intent is that we can make better applications through a REST 
enablement and modern technology.  This is not closed, all source is EPL 2.0 
and resides in a public GitHub at https://github.com/zowe.

How does this related to z/OSMF?
Think of z/OSMF as a collection of RESTful services.  Workflows, Notifications, 
Console access, files, ... .  Zowe will exploit the existing services in z/OSMF 
but we are also innovating with other industry vendors on new capabilities 
which z/OSMF is not doing.  Its an IBM product and we expect it will consume 
Zowe capabilities but we take the approach that we like RESTful services build 
on a secure fabric of SAF authentication.

If you have questions where the community is listening I'd venture over to 
openmainframeproject.slack.com.  Slack is open to anyone and you can particpate 
in the conversation.  Tell us where we're broken and suggest how we can 
improve.  

Feel free to reach out by e-mail, slack and join the community.

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[David Crayford]

I think it is worthwhile. I  can understand why you are dubious WRT 
previous experiences with z/OSMF but Zowe looks different. It's using 
cutting edge JavaScript frameworks like Angular for the UI which comes 
from Google. They have
embraced open source and I've checked out the github repo and it looks 
good. Let's face it, recreating ISPF using HTML was a bad idea! But this 
is hopefully a new direction. I'm still confused what is
free and what you have to pay for. the zLUX UI has a 3270 emulator but 
it appears that you need a library from Rocket which I assume comes from 
their 3270 emulation suite (commerical).
Vendors don't want to give away money spinning products do they? Most of 
us will stick to our emulator of choice anyway.



On 16/08/2018 7:32 PM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) wrote:

Tried to look at it from the office and our firewall blocks it ☹

I did read up on it and my 1st impressions are that it is yet another attempt 
to create a new system management interface utilizing z/OSMF and provide the 
tools/parts for anyone to build them. Is this worthwhile - I'm not sure yet. 
Replacing a sub-second response interface using TN3270 with a multi-second web 
interface (based on experience using z/OSMF ISPF option) does not seem like a 
step in the right direction.

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Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of David Crayford
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:27 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

Lots of buzz about Zowe [1] at SHARE this week and first impressions are 
overwhelmingly positive. It looks like a great initiative to modernize the 
mainframe without tubby Eclipse. We downloaded the beta but it was missing 
parts, most importantly installation scripts so it's a bit of a anti-climax.
Has anybody
managed to install Zowe successfully?

[1] https://zowe.org

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

[Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek)]

Tried to look at it from the office and our firewall blocks it ☹

I did read up on it and my 1st impressions are that it is yet another attempt 
to create a new system management interface utilizing z/OSMF and provide the 
tools/parts for anyone to build them. Is this worthwhile - I'm not sure yet. 
Replacing a sub-second response interface using TN3270 with a multi-second web 
interface (based on experience using z/OSMF ISPF option) does not seem like a 
step in the right direction.

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Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solution Partners


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of David Crayford
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:27 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Zowe install woes

Lots of buzz about Zowe [1] at SHARE this week and first impressions are 
overwhelmingly positive. It looks like a great initiative to modernize the 
mainframe without tubby Eclipse. We downloaded the beta but it was missing 
parts, most importantly installation scripts so it's a bit of a anti-climax. 
Has anybody
managed to install Zowe successfully?

[1] https://zowe.org

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