RE: speaking "cell" in internet explorer tables

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Hi Barbara,

This is really strange. Turning off smart navigation shouldn't make a page
unreadable. I think thisw might be a job for FS tech support. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Corner
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 10:25 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Barbara Corner
Subject: RE: speaking "cell" in internet explorer tables

If I turn smart navigation off, JAWS can't read the web page at all.

If I turn it to controls it reads the word "cell"  If I have it on control
and table I can arrow through but it keeps reading the name of the row as I
cross each cell which I don't' wish it to do.


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gennie Eachus
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:14 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Gennie Eachus
Subject: RE: speaking "cell" in internet explorer tables

According to Eric Damery on Main Menu, that has been taken out. That may be
for the next update though. Do you have smart navigation turned on? If so,
see if turning that off helps.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Corner
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:22 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' 
Cc: Barbara Corner 
Subject: speaking "cell" in internet explorer tables

I just upgraded to JAWS 17 and am having issues with how JAWS handles tables
in internet explorer.

I have two websites which are made up of tables, one is for our email and
JAWS used to put the name of the sender, the subject , the date etc on
separate lines so I could read it easily and click on the button to open it.
Now JFW 17 puts it all on one line and says "cell" "cell" which is pretty
annoying.  Any hints for this?
Thanks!

Bar



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RE: speaking "cell" in internet explorer tables

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Turn off smart navigation for that site. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Corner
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 12:22 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Barbara Corner
Subject: speaking "cell" in internet explorer tables

I just upgraded to JAWS 17 and am having issues with how JAWS handles tables
in internet explorer.

I have two websites which are made up of tables, one is for our email and
JAWS used to put the name of the sender, the subject , the date etc on
separate lines so I could read it easily and click on the button to open it.
Now JFW 17 puts it all on one line and says "cell" "cell" which is pretty
annoying.  Any hints for this?
Thanks!

Bar



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RE: JAWS and speech input?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

If all you want to do is dictate text, you could use JDictate. It's also
from Brian Hartgen. My understanding is that it can work with less expensive
versions of Dragon as well. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
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Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:50 AM
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Cc: Les Kriegler
Subject: RE: JAWS and speech input?

Ann, you can use Dragon with Jaws, but it's my understanding that you won't
receive automatic speech feedback unless you use J-Say with Dragon.

Les

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Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 6:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. 
Cc: Ann Byrne 
Subject: JAWS and speech input?

Is anyone using JAWS with a speech input program such as Dragon 
dictate.  is it still necessary to use J-say with Jaws and Dragon?  


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RE: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Thanks. That's good info.

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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 5:34 PM
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Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Hi Londa,
Yes I have. It works very well in IE and Firefox, but with Chrome, it is 
much better for some reason to have forms mode switched to manual. I tried 
Chrome with semi forms mode, and for some reason, the search edit box is not

always there. With manual forms mode on, the search edit box is always right

there and when you press enter to go into forms mode, you can edit what you 
put in the search box. Take care.


-Original Message----- 
From: Londa Peterson via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 10:32 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Londa Peterson
Subject: RE: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Hi David,
Have you tried the new semi-auto forms mode yet?

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 2:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Hi,
Chrome has changed a great deal in the past two years. It is a different
experience totally using it now compared to even a year ago. I will have my
tutorial ready this week after I look at many different web pages and work
with it in many situations. I can tell you that all the navigation html
commands in JAWS work in chrome. Navigating a web page is very similar to
working in IE or Firefox. One thing I have found out is that Chrome works
much much better if forms mode is set to manual. If forms mode is set to
automatic, JAWS keeps going into forms mode on Chrome. You can set this
temporarily in Chrome, and change it back. Take care and I will have much
more for you this week.


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From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 12:36 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Subject: RE: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

I had a terrible experience with Chrome a few years back, and have been
hesitant to try again, but probably will once I review and thoroughly
understand David Moore's podcast when it becomes available.

I certainly hope FS will take Chrome on to improve its workability with
Chrome.

Does anyone have a sense of what Google's commitment to accessibility is?
I've been under the impression it's casual at best.

Thanks, Keith

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:07 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Hi Dennis,
I am the original person who said that Google Chrome is totally accessible.
My name is David Moore. Well, I didn't litterly mean totally accessible, and

I was very excited after working with Chrome after two days. I got carried
away. When I saw just how much more accessible Chrome has become in the last

two years, I wondered why the blind think that it is still totally
inaccessible. A lot of Chrome is accessible, much more than the blind
realize. Dennis, It is because of what you said that I have mentioned Chrome

on so many lists, and I am encouraging the blind to try it to see for
themselves just how far its accessibility has come. It still needs work, I
know. But I am asking the same question. Why is Freedom Scientific not
putting as much work into making Chrome accessible since it is by far the
most used browser in colleges and employment. It makes me wonder and I want
the blind to think about this question. I will keep quiet and just leave it
right there. By the way, Chrome is just as accessible with NVDA as it is
with JAWS. Also, the more tools you have the better off people are. Google
Chrome may not be to the point yet to make it your default browser, but it
is a good third browser to use. It is good to have two or three screen
readers as well. When it comes to streaming TV channels and so on, Chrome
beats IE and Firefox hands down. It never crashes once on me. I use Chrome
more than IE, because IE crashes almost every time I stream video with it.
It will not even open a large web site. Chrome opens large sites twice as
fast as IE. Many web sites are accessible with Chrome. I am glad people are
realizing it. If I caused a few people to try Chrome, I have done my job
which is to help all and bring what is hidden into the light. I am
contacting Freedom Scientific on Monday and asking a lot of questions about
making Chrome totally accessible and why it hasn't been done already. I urge

all of you to do the same. Enjoy Chrome for what it can do, not for what it
can not do. T

RE: Google Chrome and Youtube

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

No, I don't use Chrome. I use Internet explorer. I'm looking forward to your
tutorial though. I plan on giving it a try.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 5:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hi all,
>From what I understand, Londa is using Google Chrome to hear this 
information. This is just one more advantage of using Chrome over using IE. 
That is what Londa means. Take care.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Clark via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 11:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Re: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Londa,
I'm understanding from your post that using IE on youtube, you hear Jaws
announce a button which can be pressed to stop an advertisement from
playing, as well as how long the advertisement is, and how much of it has
already played. I don't hear this with IE, and several others have said they
don't either. Which version of IE are you using, and also which version of
Jaws? These specifics will help those of us who are trying to track down the
assortment of differences in the various browsers using different versions
of Jaws. Thanks for your help.
Dennis

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From: "Londa Peterson via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Londa Peterson" <lpeter...@vrocp.org>
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: Google Chrome and Youtube


> This definitely works in IE. I haven't tried it with Firefox.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
> via Jfw
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
> To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
> Cc: Dennis Clark
> Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube
>
> Hello Everyone,
> While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed something 
> that
> I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the page launched, an
> advertisement started to play, but in the background I could hear Jaws
> announce that an advertisement was playing and that it could be stopped. 
> As
> I arrowed down, I could make out that there was a button to stop the
> advertisement, and when I pressed the space bar, the advertisement stopped
> instantly and the Youtube video immediately started playing. I am not 
> using
> the latest IE or Firefox, so it is possible that each of these browsers
> report the same information, but this is the first time I have heard the
> stop option. It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much
> has already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is 
> present
> with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
> Thanks,
> Dennis
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RE: Google Chrome and Youtube

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

IE 11 and JAWS 16  and 17. I typically use the B key to find the various
buttons. If the ad can be skipped, i'll find the skip ad button. I have also
heard the paragraph about when the ad can be skipped if I use the arrow
keys. Come to think of it, though, I think I've only heard this in Windows
8.1 or 10. I don't think I've come across it in Windows 7. I don't know if
that helps or not.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 11:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Re: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Londa,
I'm understanding from your post that using IE on youtube, you hear Jaws 
announce a button which can be pressed to stop an advertisement from 
playing, as well as how long the advertisement is, and how much of it has 
already played. I don't hear this with IE, and several others have said they

don't either. Which version of IE are you using, and also which version of 
Jaws? These specifics will help those of us who are trying to track down the

assortment of differences in the various browsers using different versions 
of Jaws. Thanks for your help.
Dennis

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Londa Peterson" <lpeter...@vrocp.org>
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: Google Chrome and Youtube


> This definitely works in IE. I haven't tried it with Firefox.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
> via Jfw
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
> To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
> Cc: Dennis Clark
> Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube
>
> Hello Everyone,
> While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed something 
> that
> I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the page launched, an
> advertisement started to play, but in the background I could hear Jaws
> announce that an advertisement was playing and that it could be stopped. 
> As
> I arrowed down, I could make out that there was a button to stop the
> advertisement, and when I pressed the space bar, the advertisement stopped
> instantly and the Youtube video immediately started playing. I am not 
> using
> the latest IE or Firefox, so it is possible that each of these browsers
> report the same information, but this is the first time I have heard the
> stop option. It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much
> has already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is 
> present
> with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
> Thanks,
> Dennis
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RE: Google Chrome and Youtube

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

This definitely works in IE. I haven't tried it with Firefox.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed something that
I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the page launched, an
advertisement started to play, but in the background I could hear Jaws
announce that an advertisement was playing and that it could be stopped. As
I arrowed down, I could make out that there was a button to stop the
advertisement, and when I pressed the space bar, the advertisement stopped
instantly and the Youtube video immediately started playing. I am not using
the latest IE or Firefox, so it is possible that each of these browsers
report the same information, but this is the first time I have heard the
stop option. It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much
has already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is present
with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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RE: using chrome

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Press alt + N. You can then tab to the options.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 1:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Re: using chrome

Hello Adrian,
You mentioned that you are using IE 11. One of our computers has IE 11, and 
when I attempted to download a file, I couldn't figure out how to do it. A 
screen popped up which asked if I wanted to open or save the file, but I 
couldn't find a place to activate either of these options. There was a link 
for more information and a close button. Are there some settings I need to 
change?
Thanks Adrian, or anyone else with IE 11 experience.

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From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" 
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." 
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: using chrome


> Dennis,
>
> I downloaded google Chrome and tested
> www.amc.com
> which you mention. As you say, there's no link or edit field related to 
> "sign in," and the JAWS cursor verbalizes only a graphic.
>
> No question, Chrome works very fast and brings up a clean interface, but 
> it isn't fully accessible, as previously claimed. IE11 will remain my 
> default browser until someone demonstrates how to overcome these drawbacks

> or Google fixes them. I do recall that someone on this list explained why 
> the JAWS cursor doesn't work well with Firefox, and I also recall there's 
> a complicated fix, so the JAWS cursor problem may be a function of 
> changing technology with which FS needs to catch up.
>
> I had difficulty finding the right download link for my Windows 7, 64-bit 
> machine. For anyone interested, here's the right link:
> http://www.downloadx64.com/google-chrome-64-bit/
>
> Now that I've installed Chrome, every time I open it, it tells me it isn't

> my default, but it moves on too fast for me even to locate a checkbox or 
> other field in the event I one day do want it to be my default.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via 
> Jfw
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:29 AM
> To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
> Cc: dennis
> Subject: Re: using chrome
>
> i should have said... this is only in chrome...
>
> On 11/5/2015 10:25 AM, Bissett, Tom via Jfw wrote:
>> It is not that the jaws cursor doesn't work but rather with the changes 
>> in operating systems and the way in which jaws works there is little for 
>> the jaws cursor to see.  Does your jaws cursor read whats on the desktop?

>> If so it is not broken.
>> Tom Bisset
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via 
>> Jfw
>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:00 AM
>> To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
>> Cc: dennis
>> Subject: using chrome
>>
>> another thing i have just noticed and its in jaws 16 and 17, the jaws 
>> curcer does not work. don't know if there is a fix for this or not.
>>
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RE: Appending to the clipboard. ... there are two clipboards

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I have found that the office clipboard messes up the way my braille display
shows the document. I avoid it whenever possible.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: RE: Appending to the clipboard. ... there are two clipboards

If you are using MS Office, there are two clipboards: One is the 
windows clipboard which by default retains one and only one item; the 
second is the Office clipboard, reached as barbara said with alt-h, 
then f, then o.  the office clipboard aledgedly holds 24 distinct 
items, any of which can be retrieved.  In my experience copying to 
the Office clipboard isn't always reliable.  sometimes I have two 
items when I should have three, for example.  Nonetheless, it is 
available if you have Office.  JAWS appends to the windows clipboard, 
rather than the Office clipboard.


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RE: Jaws not starting automatically with windows 10

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I suggest you give Freedom Scientific a call. I have had several clients
over the years who have had this same problem, and they have been able to
fix it. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: Jaws not starting automatically wih windows 10

I uninstalled/reinstalled Jaws with no joy.  Then I ran a repair, and 
now it starts on the logon screen, but still not after Windows starts.
At 04:21 PM 10/16/2015, you wrote:
>hmmm, i have had the same problem even with jaws set to start at the 
>logon screen.
>
>
>Legend has it that on Friday 10/16/2015 03:43 PM, Ann Byrne via Jfw said:
>
>>JAWS 16.0.4463, windows 10.  JAWS will not start automatically, and 
>>doesn't really want to start wwhen I use the desktop icon.  Once 
>>it's started, though, everything is fine.  Are there settings I am 
>>missing that would help?  NVDA starts automatically without a problem.
>>
>>thanks.
>>
>>Ann
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RE: keystrokes vs virtual ribbons

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

In the virtual ribbons, you can use first letter navigationh instead. The
ribbon keystrokes don't work with the virtual ribbons on. If there is more
than one thing that starts with the same letter, just navigate to the item
you want and then press enter. Hope this helps.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 12:18 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Pablo Morales; techt...@groups.io; blindt...@groups.io
Subject: keystrokes vs virtual ribbons

Using the virtual ribbon, there is a way to know  what are the keystrokes
associated with each item in the ribbons?

Use the ribbons helps a lot to understand the structure of the ribbons, with
the virtual ribbon off, is time consuming and is very easy to get lost
navigating with the tab key only. But with the virtual ribbons on,  the
keystrokes doesn't work, and sometimes I don't know what is worse, if the
virtual ribbons on or off. But if I need to get to a place in the ribbon, I
have no way to learn the keystrokes, only deactivating the virtual ribbons
and pressing tab many many times, and probably getting lost.

So I see both ways very inconvenient.

Is there a way to get the keystrokes and at the same time keeping the logic
structure of the ribbons,?

I am trying to teach people to use MS word, and excel, but the ribbons is
very hard to make them understand the structure of each ribbons, but the
ribbon as unique tool using these programs is not going to be so efficient
in the future either.

 

So there is a way to get the keystrokes when we are navigating through the
virtual ribbons, and like this once we know where and what is the structure
of the ribbons, just use the keystrokes associated with each item on the
ribbons?

Thanks

 

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RE: Non-Tablet Notebooks or Laptops that Work Well with Jaws

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I haven't used this particular model, but I had an Acer Aspire that worked
well for me for about 5 years of very heavy use. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Van Der
Molen via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 2:24 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Dave Van Der Molen
Subject: Non-Tablet Notebooks or Laptops that Work Well with Jaws

I'm running Jaws 16.

I'm looking for a laptop that doesn't have touch-screen capabilities but 
works well with Jaws 16.

I want the laptop to have all the keys a desktop keyboard would have, 
except the numeric keypad.  Should have at least 4gb of ram and a fast 
processor.

One I'm looking at right now is an Acer Aspire ES1 512 P0SY Notebook 
PC.  Are Acer Aspire notebooks usually okay to use with Jaws?

Thanks.

Dave

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RE: using jaws16 with windows10?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

JAWS 16 is working fairly well with Windows 10 on my laptop. It's certainly
much more than minimal. If JAWS 16 latest build isn't working well for you,
you need to uninstall and reinstall it. It will work much better after that.


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tesar
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 11:30 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Peter Tesar
Subject: Re: using jaws16 with windows10?

Hello to new Windows 10 users,

I just upgraded my 5 year old laptop to Windows 10. It had Windows 7 and 
it had a WiFi connection so I didn't need to figure out how to make a 
net connection.

I chose to upgrade preserving all the existing files and applications. 
That part worked.

Now some notes to keep in mind.

The current version of JAWS 16 works minimally. The latest version of 
NVDA 2015.3 works much better.

To the person asking the question. How did you get JAWS into your new 
laptop? Install NVDA 2015.3 to get more use out of Windows 10 until JAWS 
16 and 17 come out.

In Windows 10, the Windows key + i will bring up the setting list. But 
JAWS might not help.

I am guessing, the sheveron button (system tray) might give a connection 
path. Press the Windows-logo key and then close the start menu with ESCAPE.

Then tab to the sheveron button and then arrow down or right. There 
might be a network item to select.

Opening the start menu by pressing the Windows logo key will have the 
edit field. JAWS 16  will not announce this. NVDA does and with NVDA you 
can arrow down through a list. JAWS 16 cannot do this.

Maybe other Windows 10 users will have more advice.

Peter T.

On 2015-08-31 10:12 PM, Carliss via Jfw wrote:
> Hello Listers,
>
> I just baught a windows10 notebook. But I can't fine the settings for the
> network. in other words, I can not get on the net.
>
> Please help!
>
> oh, by the way, are there some special settings in windows10 that I need
to
> know for my computer to work right? Please if you will, let me know about
> them.
>
> Thanks!
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RE: using jaws16 with windows10?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Press Windows key with i for settings. Then right arrow to network
Internet. Tab until you find the network you want to connect to and press
enter. Follow the prompts from there. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carliss via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:13 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carliss
Subject: using jaws16 with windows10?

Hello Listers,

I just baught a windows10 notebook. But I can't fine the settings for the
network. in other words, I can not get on the net.

Please help!

oh, by the way, are there some special settings in windows10 that I need to
know for my computer to work right? Please if you will, let me know about
them.

Thanks!

 

 

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RE: this was obviously sent to the wrong address, so without sounding like a mod, please don't come down on her. was Disappointing news.

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Count me in. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:21 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kimsan
Subject: RE: this was obviously sent to the wrong address, so without
sounding like a mod, please don't come down on her. was Disappointing news.

We could do that too!
I just wanted to tsstop the hate before it got there lol.
There's always one spoiled apple in every bunch.
Pray away!

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) ted.li...@ky.gov
Subject: RE: this was obviously sent to the wrong address, so without
sounding like a mod, please don't come down on her. was Disappointing news.

In fact, we might even pray, as requested

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:12 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kimsan
Subject: RE: this was obviously sent to the wrong address, so without
sounding like a mod, please don't come down on her. was Disappointing news.



-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:52 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net
Subject: Disappointing news.

Sharon took Meredith to the Kennedy Kreiger Institute in Baltimore for
evaluation and hoped for treatment. After a thorough study of her history,
as well as examination, they determined that Meredith was not a candidate
for inpatient treatment at their facility. 

 

They did make recommendations with regard to adjustment of some of her
medication and, yet again, more physical therapy to fight damage that has
already had effects on her leg muscles and both sides of her pelvis bone. 

 

It was a letdown after clinging to hope for a couple of months like we did,
but those were a nice couple of months. 

 

Please keep her in your prayers. 

 

Best from,

 

Carolyn

 

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RE: JAWS and Windows 10 issue

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Try the touch cursor. I don't have time to write a long explanation just
now, but if you search help for touch cursor, you should find what you need.


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:54 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michael Mote
Subject: JAWS and Windows 10 issue

Hi folks!  Not sure if this is a JAWS thing or not, but it seems like I
cannot use my JAWS cursor to read things in Windows 10.  Is there some
setting that I need to adjust for this to happen?  I have really enjoyed the
helpful information that has been passed along by those of you who are
running Windows 10.  Thanks a lot for the feedback!

 

 

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RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I've had this same experience with JAWS in demo mode. A restart will reset
the clock on the demo. By the way, does disabling fast start have any effect
on a laptop's battery? I find that I'll shut my computer down and unplug it
to take it somewhere, and when I get there I find that the battery has
drained-sometimes quite significantly. Would disabling fast start fix this? 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 2:51 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Fast Startup should also be disabled if you are running JAWS (or any FS
products) in 40 minute demo mode because the system must shut down
completely in order for the clock in the demo software to reset.  I found
this out the hard way when I purchased my laptop running Windows 8 and had
to temporarily use the JAWS demo before activating the software.

Now that I am using the paid release, though, I personally would never
disable fast startup because, as the name implies, my computer boots up much
faster than it would after a full shut down.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:48 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Joseph Lee joseph.lee22...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct.  I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.  

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology.  I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.  

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option.  Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.  

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control PanelPower Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type power, click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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RE: shutting down.....

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

This is normal. It's been doing that since Windows 8.1. It surprised me at
first as well. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 3:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mark Furness
Subject: shutting down.

When I shut down my windows10 computer
The last thing it says is Jaws for windows: is this normal?

Mark

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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

First letter navigation does work in the virtual ribbon. I don't mean the
Office shortcuts; I mean true first letter navigation. If there is more than
one item starting with the same letter, you will have to press enter on the
one you want. The only thing I like about virtual ribbons is the fact that
it is very easy to see the groups because they show in submenus. I teach
students, and I always show them both ways to navigate the ribbons and lay
out the pros and cons of both very clearly so that they can make their own
informed decision. I'm all about choice when it comes to computers.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 7:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys

plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS 
instructions while navigating.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
- Original Message - 
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010


 So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate for
 ribbon information?

 Carolyn


 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White 
 via
 Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
 Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this:
 JAWS put in the Virtual Ribbon for those who wanted to manually navigate
 the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed to make the
 menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true in most
 instances.

 Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon without
 telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual Ribbon. This 
 may
 be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to check the Virtual
 Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the function of some of the
 shortcuts.
 Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010


 Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons?  I
 followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are
 easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing
 this.  If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16.  Thanks.

 Les

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
 Spratt via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which
 is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually
 impaired users.
 Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you
 get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking
 this option need to be aware of the consequences.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
 White via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Bill White
 Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

 To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

 Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
 Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to
 Open Miscellaneous.

 Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that this
 setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.

 To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the
 letter D as in dog.

 Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and
 Down Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You
 want it to be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to work
 properly.
 If
 it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and
 press Enter to save these settings.

 I hope this helps you.
 Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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 From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net
 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
 Subject: RE: changing the view 

RE: Word 2010 has been crashing lately

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Hi Adrian,

I have many clients who are running JAWS 16 and Word 2010. None of them have
reported problems like this. Believe me when I say that I'd be hearing about
it if they were. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 8:36 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Word 2010 has been crashing lately

Hi. Word 2010 was always stable for me until the last few weeks. I've spoken
to my tech guy who says none of his clients are having this problem. I'm the
only one who has JAWS, which suggests the problem may lie with one of the
recent JAWS updates and its interaction with Word and other programs running
in the background.

I'll pause typing, and Word will announce it is closing. Usually it comes
back quickly, but my focus has shifted to the top of the document. Once in a
great while it doesn't come back, and I've lost some data this way.
Fortunately, I've long made a practice of saving every few minutes, so this
isn't a serious problem, but it is a distraction.

I located online instructions for running a Word 2010 repair, but my tech
guy discourages me from taking this step because he's convinced the problem
isn't with Word.

So, my question is whether anyone else has experienced problems along these
lines in recent weeks? I'd like to contact FS and not have them come back
with the standard, and I suppose understandable, We can't replicate... and
We haven't received reports..., etc.
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RE: Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro.

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

If you go into settings, then accessibility, then talkback, there's a button
to launch the tutorial. Hope this helps. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carliss via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 9:30 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carliss
Subject: Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro.

Listers,

I just bought me this Tablit, however, I need the tutorial for the touch
screen, does that exist? I hope so.  It's the top of the line Android.

Is there away to put jaws on this unit.  I don't really mind using the text
to speech program, but if I could use jaws, I might.

Thanks to all.

 

Carliss

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RE: PDF documents

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

If you mean using convenient OCR, I don't think it converts the pictures at
all. I've never had anyone look to be sure, but I know I have gotten
extraneous text at times that I thought was probably pictures that JAWS
tried to OCR. Convenient OCR just puts the text into a virtual viewer. You
can then paste it wherever you want. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the Word
doc?  

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like architectural
or 
otherwise that are line based drawings.  

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube.  Any other ideas that might be
better? 
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway?  Sure, you can
extract text, but how do you read, for example,  a photograph?  Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc.  However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders.  Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released.  It was described as
being able to read graphs and possibly images.  Don't know any more than
that.  I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf?  I have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does
it as accurately as you say.
because 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build.  The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily.  It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written
in Word2010.  Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality.  Perhaps this
one conversion was a fluke.  For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line.  Of course, that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0.  As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with.  I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks
to 16.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document
around.  The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads
with no errors.  Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text.  That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.  Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive 

RE: Facebook accessibility

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I use the shortcut keys mentioned in this article all the time. They are
especially useful since FS has made them usable in JAWS 16 without turning
off the virtual cursor. I navigate Facebook quite effortlessly now. I don't
mean the mobile site either. There's a really good webinar archive on the
freedom Scientific webpage for JAWS users. I hope more people will take
advantage of the accessibility we have. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:56 PM
To: Jaws User Group
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: Facebook accessibility

I will say only that navigating Facebook on my desktop PC is so frustrating
and time consuming that I never visit my Facebook page. I will certainly
study the information in Carolyn's post to see if it simplifies navigation.
If so, I might Facebook; if not, I will not.

Daniel 


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RE: Facebook accessibility

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

If you change that setting, you do not even have to turn off the virtual
cursor. I've used it many times with the virtual cursor on, and it works
great. remember that JAWS came out with that update after the AccessWorld
article, so they wouldn't have known about it.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 8:13 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Facebook accessibility

Its not just the virtual cursor. In the latest jaws 16 you must also
turn a setting in the jaws quick settings for this to work. Its called
allow application reserved keystroaks. If that  is check, then those
keys will work, if its not checked, then jaws will behave as normal
with the quick key features.

On 16/07/2015, Paul Martz via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 Here is the facebook accessibility page:
 https://www.facebook.com/help/141636465971794/

 I went to the heading Accessibility Basics, then arrowed down to the
 button labeled How can I navigate Facebook with keyboard shortcuts?. I
 hit
 spacebar on that button. All of the keyboard shortcuts listed in that
 section worked for me.

 Of course, be sure to disable the Virtual PC Cursor with JAWSkey+Z.

 I hope this helps.
-Paul



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RE: JAWS and Tablets.

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Hi Michael,

I've helped a few of my clients with these so let me give you a couple of
tips. Make sure the tablet has at least two gb of ram. Less will be really
slow. I don't know if the storage will make any difference, so choose what
will fit your needs. I'd probably do 64 myself though. Also, remember that
you will need a keyboard of some kind unless you are using a Braille
display. I hope this helps. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:08 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michael Mote
Subject: JAWS and Tablets.

Hi folks!  I am in the market for a new Tablet PC, and wanted to hear some
feedback from those of you who use JAWS on one of these.  I've seen some
pretty good deals on Tablets recently, but wonder which one would be the
best.  I know that I want Windows 8.1 and not RT.  Does it really make a big
difference if I end up with a 32 Gig machine or a 64.  Does JAWS perform
poorly on one model or another?  Just trying to make the best choice.  Any
feedback would be welcomed.  Many thanks!

 

 

 

 

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LEASEY

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Hi All,

 

Has anyone used LEASEY with JAWS? I'm considering buying the advanced
version while it's on sale. I really need the clips feature as the Office
clipboard seems to wreak havoc on the Braille display. I used these before
in JTools and really liked them. I just want to know if there are other
features people really like and how they have used them. I want to get the
most out of it for my money. 

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RE: Does Kindle Work Well With JAWS?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Ditto on digital editions. I can even read with my Braille display in there.
Adobe did a very good job with their accessibility. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 9:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: Re: Does Kindle Work Well With JAWS?

For what it's worth, the IRS has made several of the books I use 
available as an Epub, and Adobe Digital Editions works fairly well for 
me as an Epub reader.

Brad

On 7/7/2015 5:56 PM, Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:
 My experience with the accessible kindle app isn't quite that bad but
 still kindle is far from my first choice of format.

 But then I have not tried it for anything reference or learning type,
 only fiction so finding an exact spot hasn't been relevant to me.

 Honestly my first choice is plain text, then RTF, followed by doc and
 PDF. I have not tried epub, mostly because I have been unable to find
 an epub reader that sounds at all accessible (my book port is supposed
 to be able to deal with epub but I have not tried it).

 Plain text does have the disadvantage of not being able to deal with
 math type stuff very well, for that sort of thing both RTF and doc are
 excellent. But I also understand why publishers don't make material
 available in those formats, as they provide no real DRM protection.

 On 7/7/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 Rick,

 I  tried it several months ago with a book I needed to read on short
notice.
 I remember finding it extremely frustrating. As I recall, I couldn't stop
 and have it start at the same point, but perhaps there's a bookmark
function
 that I somehow missed. As I recall, I also couldn't conveniently go back
to
 re-read a sentence or paragraph. As Soronel indicates, the voice was
 horrible to listen to and hard to comprehend. In the end, I bought the
 paperback and performed OCR on it so that I could read it with JAWS.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rick Miller
 via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 5:51 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.; The Jaws for Windows support
list.
 Cc: Rick Miller
 Subject: Re: Does Kindle Work Well With JAWS?

 Have you ever tried to read an actual e-book from Amazon using the Kindle
 ap?  If so, were you able to do it?

 Rick Miller




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 From: Soronel Haetir via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Jul 7, 2015 9:56 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Soronel Haetir soronel.hae...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: Does Kindle Work Well With JAWS?

 Neither the regular or accessible kindle app REALLY works with jaws,
 what THE accessible  version does is detect that an accessibility
 program is running (at least jaws, NVDA and window eyes are detected,
 don't know about others) and then enables self-voicing. My chief
 complaint is that the choice of voices is very limited and of even
 lower quality than my book port.

 If I have the choice between kindle, PDF and text kindle is always my
 last choice of formats.

 On 7/7/15, Rick Miller via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 No.  I just went straight to the regular Amazon page and to the book I
 wanted to download.  Then I just downloaded the regular ap.  If there
is
 a
 thing with a disability plug-in, then I will just remove what I
 downloaded
 this morning.

 Rick Miller


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 From: Gary King via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Jul 7, 2015 7:29 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Gary King w4...@bellsouth.net
 Subject: Re: Does Kindle Work Well With JAWS?

 Rick,
 Did you get the Kindle for PC with Accessibility Plugin?  If you
didn't
 download that version, go to

 http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200596280

 and read the information on that page.  There is also a download link.

 With this version of the program, JAWS reads the menus, while the
 built-in

 speech that comes with the program reads the text of the book.

 If you are reading a novel or other book that you can read straight
 through,
 the program works fairly well.  However, if you need to go to
different
 parts of a book or search for specific content, forget it.  Navigation
 is
 limited, and JAWS can't read the text in the book directly.  The JAWS
 OCR
 feature can give you access to the text of each page, but multiple
 columns

 cause reading difficulties.

 If you have an iPhone or iPad, the iOS app works much better for
reading
 EBooks.

 Gary King
 w4...@bellsouth.net
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 From: Rick Miller via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Rick Miller m...@earthlink.net
 Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 6:38 AM
 Subject: Does Kindle Work Well With JAWS?


 Dear Listers:



 I am considering trying to purchase an e-book in Kindle edition from
 Amazon.
 I have downloaded the 

RE: Muffled Jaws all versionse: Accessibility with office 365

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Try pressing insert + space then the letter S. JAWS will say speech off.
Then press insert + space, then S again. JAWS will say speech on. It
should no longer be muffled. I have to do this on my laptop occasionally.
This never happens on my Windows 7 desktop at work or my Windows 7 desktop
at home. I've not seen it on studets' machines either. I suspect it has
something to do with specific sound drivers. Fortunately, it's an easy fix
at least for me. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marsha via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 8:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Marsha
Subject: Muffled Jaws all versionse: Accessibility with office 365

Hi
  I really need some help.  Jaws sometimes becomes very muffled to the 
extent I can not hear it.  It is in both Jas 14 and 15.  If I switch to 
Winamp, It plays properly.  Does anyone have a clue what the problem might 
be?  Thank you for your help.

Marsha 


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RE: Verbosity

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

My guess is that you're probably pressing insert + S. Just press it a couple
more times until you hear JAWS say highlighted. That should solve your
problem. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: Verbosity 

Hello Listers, 
I am using Jaws 16, and Windows 7  64 bit. Once in a while Jaws goes totally
verbose, reading what I take to be everything in the window. I suspect it is
me pressing a keystroke by mistake, but if so I have no idea what it is, and
end up performing a system restore to get Jaws back to a usable verbosity.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. 
Thank you, 
Cheers Kevin. 
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RE: HJPad

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I saw some other programs that were handled in a similar way, so I think
it's a Windows 8 issue rather than a FS issue. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: HJPad

The point is that no one even knows that folder exists nor the programs 
in it until an extensive exploration.

On 5/13/2015 10:08 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:
 Is it FS, or is it the way 8.X stores files?

 Ted
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell via Jfw
 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 5:18 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Maria Campbell
 Subject: Re: HJPad

 That's incredible!
 Why on earth would Freedom Scientific want to hide all those programs in
such a ridiculous manner?
 Why not name that folder something more meaningful such as ... I don't
know.
 Let's have a contest to  come up with a more meaningful folder name and
suggest it to FS?

 On 5/11/2015 4:52 PM, Londa Peterson via Jfw wrote:
 I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do
 so. In Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I
 got curious, so I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's
how I did it.

 1.   Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
 already there.

 2.   Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

 3.   Press the space bar to activate this  button.

 4.   You will then be presented with a very long list of everything
that
 is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the
 search box.

 5.   Start arrowing down. The item you want is called utilities JAWS
 16. I assume if you're using a different version number you would
 find the same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have
 16 on the particular machine I tested on.

 6.   Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things
you
 used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older
 versions of Windows.

 Hope this helps someone out.

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RE: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Press insert + V to go into quick settings. Type ribbon in the search box.
Virtual ribbon menus will be the first thing you'll see. Press the spacebar
to toggle the setting. Press enter. You might have to press it twice. It's
not as good as a shortcut key, but it's better than using the start up
wizard. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Paul Martz via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:43 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
   -Paul



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RE: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

It does. I've done it. Note that I don't mean the underlined letters in
Word. I mean the actual first letter of the item you want. Also, you have to
press enter as the item won't activate automatically. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David G.
Carlson Via iPhone via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David G. Carlson Via iPhone
Subject: Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Paul
No, unless freedom scientific have change something, first letter navigation
does not work with virtual ribbon menu.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature.

On May 13, 2015, at 11:42, Paul Martz via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
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RE: HJPad

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

It does come in handy on a computer that doesn't have Word though. I also
like the training tools that are included. It's a great way to teach
students how to handle various dialog controls and other such things. It's
certainly not a replacement for Word. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:02 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Thanks, Mitchell.

This helps greatly!

Dr.  Tom Behler


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: HJPad

Dear All,

Here's my take on HJPad:  If you have any version of Microsoft Word, there's
no need to use HJPad at all, unless you really want a word processor with
standard menus that has a spell checker.  If you do choose to use HJPad,
however, it probably won't help you at work or school because of the lack of
advanced features like tables, footnotes and endnotes, comments and track
changes, etc.

Michal

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Thanks for the clarification on H J pad, Ted.

I'm going to play around with it here with I get the time, to see how it
might be used in my current situation.

Dr.  Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: HJPad

It's that, but FS also conceived of it as a training tool.  Some JAWS
training exercises are built around it.

Ted

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:07 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Please forgive this question, but what exactly is HJ pad, and what is its
purpose?

I thought it was a simple text editor, which I typically do via Notepad in
Microsoft.

Am I missing something?

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 11:56 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

I suggest you reinstall JAWS. Sounds like something was corrupted or
interrupted.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 06:19 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I followed this path in Windows Explorer and the HJPad.exe was not there.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 7:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

This is not part of Win 7, it is part of JAWS. Here's the location for
JAWS16 on a Win 7 installation:

C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\16.0\HJPAD.EXE

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 05:02 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I give up. Where is it in Windows 7? I can't find it. Keith

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 3:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Londa Peterson
Subject: HJPad

I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do so. In
Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I got curious, so
I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's how I did it.

1.   Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2.   Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3.   Press the space bar to activate this  button.

4.   You will then be presented with a very long list of everything that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the search
box.

5.   Start arrowing down. The item you want is called utilities JAWS
16. I assume if you're using a different version number you would find the
same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have 16 on the
particular machine I tested on.

6.   Press enter on this item, and you will find

RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I use the virtual ribbon, and I certainly don't have ribbonphobia. I know
how to use them, and I make sure my students do as well. I just find it
easier to get at some of the options that are buried deep in submenus easier
to find with the virtual ribbon. I also like the way the virtual ribbons put
the different groups on the ribbon into submenus. It just works better for
me. I switch interfaces at will.  

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Jones
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:15 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jimmy Jones
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

I believe you are talking about the virtual ribbon. FS created that to be
used by those who had ribbonfolbia. Which is a fear of using the ribbon.
There was allot of that when the ribbon first came out. The virtual ribbon
creates a sort of XP menu style which is substituted for the ribbon itself.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Paul Martz via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in Alt then H, O, I. But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working. 

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other. 
   -Paul



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RE: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Thanks Dave,

I should've changed it. Actually you can use true first letter navigation in
the virtual ribbons. You still have to press enter when you find the item
you want, but you can press the first letter of that item until you find it.
If you remember a lot of the Word shortcuts, though, the regular ribbons are
better. I don't remember very many of them, so I use hot keys that I've
known forever. I also use a lot of the Office 2003 shortcuts which still
work. I also highly customize my quick access toolbar. There are certainly
pro's and con's no matter which way you go.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Changed the subject line for Paul.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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From: Dave Carlson via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 09:08 AM
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like
the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do
standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use
it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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From: Paul Martz via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Paul Martz skewmat...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in Alt then H, O, I. But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
   -Paul



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RE: HJPad

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

It has a spell check for one thing. It also has a number of training tools
in it that you can use with the basic training in FSReader. I use these with
students on a regular basis and was wondering where they were in 8.1. So, I
went looking for it. Typing HJPad or even just HJ into the search box didn't
work. It's basically a souped up Word pad. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:07 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Please forgive this question, but what exactly is HJ pad, and what is its
purpose?

I thought it was a simple text editor, which I typically do via Notepad in
Microsoft.

Am I missing something?

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 11:56 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

I suggest you reinstall JAWS. Sounds like something was corrupted or
interrupted.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

- Original Message -
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 06:19 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I followed this path in Windows Explorer and the HJPad.exe was not there.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson 
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 7:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

This is not part of Win 7, it is part of JAWS. Here's the location for
JAWS16 on a Win 7 installation:

C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\16.0\HJPAD.EXE

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 05:02 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I give up. Where is it in Windows 7? I can't find it. Keith

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 3:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Londa Peterson
Subject: HJPad

I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do so. In
Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I got curious, so
I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's how I did it.

1.   Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2.   Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3.   Press the space bar to activate this  button.

4.   You will then be presented with a very long list of everything that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the search
box.

5.   Start arrowing down. The item you want is called utilities JAWS
16. I assume if you're using a different version number you would find the
same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have 16 on the
particular machine I tested on.

6.   Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older versions of
Windows.

Hope this helps someone out.

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RE: jaws and solid state drives

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

My laptop and my office desktop both have solid state drives. They are
wonderful! JAWS has no difficulty with them at all. in fact, I think I
probably have fewer crashes than what I see reported here. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gery Gaubert
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 4:22 PM
To: 'jfw@lists.the-jdh.com'
Cc: Gery Gaubert
Subject: jaws and solid state drives

Will jaws work on a computer that uses a solid state drive rather than a
traditional harddrive?
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RE: J16 Update Build J16.0.2339 What's New

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

It will still say 16. It's the numbers after that which have changed. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of j Bron via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 8:29 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: j Bron
Subject: RE: J16 Update Build J16.0.2339  What's New

I went there and it wasn't listed.  I reinstalled the update and the
computer was rebooted but it still isn't showing up anywhere.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hansen
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:55 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Barbara Hansen
Subject: RE: J16 Update Build J16.0.2339  What's New

Did you look under the help menu about JAWS? Mine showed the new update
under that.

Barbara



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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of j Bron via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 9:03 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: j Bron
Subject: RE: J16 Update Build J16.0.2339  What's New

I just installed the update and the computer rebooted.  On my main menue the
update is not noted.  It still says jaws 16.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 7:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: Re: J16 Update Build J16.0.2339  What's New

I already installed it, but thanks for the info.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 29, 2015, at 6:29 PM, Michael B. via Jfw 
 jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 An update for J16 is available:
 32 Bit:
 
 http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J16.0.2339ENU-32bit.e
 xe
 
 64 Bit:
 
 http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J16.0.2339ENU-64bit.e
 xe
 
 What's new in this release:
 
 
 
 Enhancements in JAWS 16.0.2339 (April 2015)
 
 The following is a list of improvements made between the JAWS 16 
 release on April 9, 2015, and the April 29, 2015 update.
 
 To download the latest release, visit the Downloads web page.
 
 JAWS
 .For customers who use JAWS 16 and MAGic 13 together, we resolved an 
 issue that was discovered in the previous update where MAGic's Mouse 
 Echo feature was not working as expected when JAWS 16 was running.
 .Worked with Smarter Balance Testing group in order to make some 
 adjustments in how JAWS is working with the tests being conducted in 
 many of the schools throughout the US.
 .In addition to detecting math that is rendered using MathJax in 
 Internet Explorer, JAWS now detects Math content that is directly 
 included in the HTML of a web page in both Internet Explorer and Firefox.
 .The contents of the Math Viewer are now displayed visually on the screen.

 The Math Viewer is accessed by pressing ENTER when JAWS encounters 
 math content on a web page. As the equation is navigated using the 
 ARROW keys, each expression or partial expression is highlighted so a 
 sighted assistant can easily track visually, what JAWS is speaking.
 .Based on customer feedback, JAWS is now much more responsive when 
 reading long and complex mathematical expressions rendered by MathJax.
 .Resolved a reported issue where JAWS was not recognizing math content 
 in Internet Explorer on Wikipedia when the Wikipedia user account was 
 set to render math using MathJax.
 .Improved how JAWS pronounces various mathematical functions so they 
 are spoken using more natural language.
 .The Technology News from CNET Research It lookup source now works as 
 it did in JAWS 15, displaying as many as 20 articles.
 .If both JAWS and MAGic are running, resolved an issue where pressing 
 the Text Viewer toggle key on the MAGic Keyboard was not working.
 .Resolved reported issues using the Find feature (CTRL+F) in FSReader.
 .A customer reported that if focus was in a Windows security dialog 
 and speech was off, braille was not working as expected and JAWS was 
 creating several untitled voice profiles. This is now fixed.
 
 Microsoft Excel
 .When focused in the Font edit combo box, addressed a reported issue 
 where the location of the cursor was not being shown in braille.
 .Resolved a reported issue where JAWS was not reading the list of 
 column headers in the Sort dialog box.
 .Addressed an issue where information was not being displayed 
 correctly in braille in certain spreadsheets when the braille mode was 
 set to Current Row.
 .Addressed a reported issue with suggestions in the spell checker not 
 being read as expected.
 
 Microsoft Internet Explorer
 .If you are inside an application region on a web page in both 
 Internet Explorer and Firefox, it is now necessary to press the PC 
 cursor command (NUM PAD PLUS) twice quickly to turn off Forms mode and 
 return to the Virtual PC cursor. This change was made to keep users 
 from inadvertently leaving Forms mode while interacting with controls 
 inside application regions which require Forms mode remain 

RE: a problem I'm having

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

One thing to keep in mind is that if JAWS does crash, it now restarts itself 
without your intervention. JAWS doesn't crash on me very often, but when it 
does, this feature is really nice. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold 
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: a problem I'm having

How can we know that Window Eyes wouldn't crash? Whichever I get, I'm going 
to have to out and out get the newest version.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

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From: Tom macha via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Tom macha toml...@hotmail.com
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: a problem I'm having


 Yes Carrylin, I agree witht the crashing issue on the issue with Jaws. I 
 am thinking of switching to window-eyes.






 Sent from Windows Mail





 From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
 Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎April‎ ‎24‎, ‎2015 ‎4‎:‎34‎ ‎PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Carolyn Arnold





 I've been having more and more problem with the crashing in the last year,
 but thought it was because my windows and JAWS are pretty old. This is a
 little discouraging to think I'll still have to put up with it even after
 spending probably a thousand plus.

 GIFT (God is forever true),

 Carolyn

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dave Carlson via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: a problem I'm having


 Yes, JAWS is becoming a crashing bore.

 Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

 - Original Message - 
 From: Michael Mote via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Michael Mote miketmot...@gmail.com
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 08:45 AM
 Subject: RE: a problem I'm having


 If you're using the latest version of JAWS, that's probably due to the
 fact
 that JAWS stops working, and then restarts itself.  It happens to me all
 the
 time.  I understand the reasoning behind it, but you still don't have
 speech
 during that minute or so.  You're wondering if your computer has frozen 
 or
 what's going on.  FS built that into JAWS 15 and 16.  In 15, you can
 control
 when JAWS restarts.  In version 16, it restarts for you.



 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Curt 
 Taubert
 via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 10:07 AM
 To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Curt Taubert
 Subject: a problem I'm having

 When I play a game that requires jaws, I notice that every once in a 
 while
 jaws will stop talking for sometimes a minute.  Then it'll start back up
 again.
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RE: Navigating tabs in a web page

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I think that if you press the spacebar on one of the tabs, you can then
navigate left and right across the tabs. You can then go up and down through
the choices under each tab.It's kind of like an old style menu bar. See if
that helps.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 11:34 AM
To: Kimsan; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Navigating tabs in a web page

Hi,

I don't think we're talking about the same tabs here. I'm talking
about tabs within a web page, not separate web pages opened in
different tabs. Does this make sense? There are some web pages that
seem to be divided into different tabs... our university library's
site is just one. I think Blackboard Learn has different tabs as well.
I'm not sure, but I think the Freedom Scientific website is divided
into tabs. I'm wondering if there is an easy way to navigate these
tabs... hope I'm using the correct term.

Thanks,

Russell

On 4/19/15, Kimsan via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 I remember in the old days that use to work but I just did that with ie 11
 and nothing...

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
via
 Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 6:24 PM
 To: Russell Solowoniuk; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Navigating tabs in a web page

 Try this, from JAWS Help/internet explorer:
 View List of Open Tabs CTRL+SHIFT+Q
 At 08:07 PM 4/19/2015, you wrote:
Hi everyone,

Is there a keystroke to bring up a list of tabs on a web page,
something like the list of links or headings? I'm talking about pages
that have tabs within the page itself, not tab browsing.

Any help would be much appreciated!

Thanks,

Russell


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RE: Braille edge and jaws 16

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I have that same problem. I haven't found a way to fix it yet. If bluetooth
is an option for you, you might want to try that. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Hunthausen via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 11:37 AM
To: Jaws list
Subject: Braille edgeand jaws 16 

Dear list,

I'm using the latest version of Jaws 16 with a Braille Edge Braille display
and am wondering if someone can help me with an issue I having. I can't seem
to get the Braille edge to reliably work when I turn my computer on with
jaws, it seems like I have to unplug the display from USB and plug it in
again and then restart Jaws every time. Is there something I should be doing
when I turn my computer off to make it so the display starts up
automatically? thanks

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RE: ssd performance

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I think JAWS as well as all my other programs are faster on my SSD. 
-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario Brusco
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 9:09 AM
To: Kristoffer Gustafsson; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: ssd performance

in my experience, a ssd will absolutely not slow JAWS down.

- Original Message - 
From: Kristoffer Gustafsson via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 3:51 AM
Subject: ssd performance


Hi.
I've Heard from a friend that if I buy a new laptop it will slow down
the speed performance of using jaws, skype, and such things.
Is that true?
The computer I'm thinking of buying as an ssd.
I've not used a such disk Before.
/Kristoffer

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RE: Append to clipboard command

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I think they changed the command in JAWS 14. I think for versions 13 and
below it's Windows key C.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:46 PM
To: Onwardbob; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Append to clipboard command

It only works with JAWS 16 and up.


Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
luc...@ct.metrocast.net

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
Blaise Pascal

On 3/25/2015 8:35 PM, Onwardbob via Jfw wrote:
 This isn't working for me, what could I be doing wrong. Using W-7 with
JAWS
 13.

 BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of david via
Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 3:58 AM
 To: 'Bill White'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Append to clipboard command

 Search for :
 jaws commands
 insert+spacebar, then the letter J

 Append Selected Text To Clipboard. Insert + Windows + C

 With the Freedom clipboard, text will be appended to the clipboard, adding
 it to the clipboard at the end of the previous clipboard content. Using a
 Copy To Clipboard command instead of an Append To Clipboard command will
 erase any previous clipboard content and replace it with the new content.

 JAWSKey + Windows + C

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White
via
 Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 6:51 PM
 To: jfw mailing list
 Subject: Append to clipboard command

 What is the append to clipboard command for JAWS16?

 Thank you.
 Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com


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RE: 8 HP Stream 4G tablet question

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

The only thing that concerns me about this tablet is only 1 GB of ram. THE 
tablets I've seen cannot be upgraded because you can't even open them up to do 
so. At that price, though, it can't hurt to try. As has been previously stated, 
make sure you can return it if the experience isn't to your liking. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Feliciano Godoy 
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:58 AM
To: Cristóbal; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: 8 HP Stream 4G tablet question

I am not sure where you are located, but I would consider purchasing it from a 
place that has a good return policy in case it does not work out for you. Best 
Buy has a pretty good return policy if they have one where you're located.
  Regards, Feliciano For tech tips and updates Like my Facebook page: 
www.facebook.com/theblindman12vFollow me on Twitter: 
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 On Mar 16, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Cristóbal via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 
 Hello list,
 
 
 
 So I’ve been considering grabbing one of these tablets.  
 
 
 
 Mainly for leisurely use. Reading eBooks, audio/video stuff, Internet
 browsing  and so on. I’ll maybe connect my business emails to it, but beyond
 that, I don’t’ expect to use it for work related purposes.
 
 
 
 My understanding is that Jaws will work on this device. My question is,
 considering that this tablet appears to only have 1GB of memory on board,
 how much will the JFW user experience be compromised by this? Sluggishness
 in speech, overall device slowing down, can I have more than one or two apps
 running in the background along with Jaws, etc.?
 
 
 
 Can the memory in fact be upgraded/expanded to 2GB?
 
 
 
 I would appreciate any feedback users of this or perhaps an alternative
 Windows 8.1 tablet can provide with their JFW 16 experiences.
 
 
 
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RE: jaws documentation

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Before JAWS 15, that's what it did. Now it also restarts JAWS. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:11 PM
To: Michael Mote; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: jaws documentation

No fooling; I thought that would kill JAWS and take it out of memory.
Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:06 PM
To: 'Adrian Spratt'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: jaws documentation

There is a key to use to restart JAWS.  It is JAWS key plus Windows key,
plus F4.  I've used this several times, particularly in JAWS 15, and it
works.  


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: jaws documentation

Ted has answered the restart question. As for getting answers, a Google
search typically gets JAWS-related information much faster and more easily
than FS's documentation.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Robert Logue
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 7:49 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: jaws documentation

I often find it hard to get help on things in Jaws.  I usually search by
keywords but don't get anything.

I happened to be looking for help on restarting Jaws when it gets stuck.
Couldn't find a thing.

In the mean time.  I think I found out of date info.

Script Utility Mode (INSERT+WINDOWS Key+NUN PAD MINUS) found in help


OK.  I found something I was looking for under what's new in help/Jaws:
Improved JAWS Recovery
If a problem with an application causes JAWS to become unresponsive and the
JAWS process has not resumed after approximately 15 seconds, JAWS will
automatically restart after approximately 30 seconds.
Last updated on November 21, 2014
But where is the keystroke to manually restart when unresponsive?


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RE: JAWS 16 issue with Word/Outlook 2013

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I have talked to them about this. Odd thing is that for me it doesn't happen
if my braille display is not connected. Also, if I use Braille in rather
than the qwerty keyboard, it doesn't happen. It's a very strange and
annoying issue. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:20 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: JAWS 16 issue with Word/Outlook 2013

Hi folks!  I'm getting more and more frustrated with JAWS 16, and the
inability to do simple tasks with it.  Today, I was working on a report in
Microsoft Word, and had to continuously correct spelling errors, because for
some reason JAWS likes to add characters, or in some cases, put the letters
in the wrong order when I type.  This has just started with JAWS 16.  I have
noticed it since day 1, and it has not been resolved yet.  I hope someone
from FS monitors this list.  This has to be fixed.  The same thing happens
when sending emails.  Thank goodness I proofread everything before I send it
out.  

 

 

 

 

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RE: logos bible software

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I haven't noticed these problems with Optasia. I got the entire dvd and use
the html Bible library quite extensively. Maybe you got a bad file. I'll
look at the New American on my disk if it's there. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:51 PM
To: Sharon; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: logos bible software

Optasia is usable, but has its drawbacks.  I recently acquired the New
American, only to find it was missing six books--every book with only one
chapter, along with the book of Acts.  This would suggest an indexing
problem, in that each of these books, in its own way, differed from the
norm.  Acts is the only book to begin with a, and the single-chapter books
would seem to explain themselves.  I don't know if this is common to all
translations, both Catholic and Protestant, but it's worth noting. For
heaven's sake, is there anyone out there willing to sell a study bible
straight up, without a lot of fuss and bother.  Thus far, Optasia is the
closest I've found.

Ted

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Sharon via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:26 AM
To: 'Merv Keck'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: logos bible software

Libronics was not much better when it came along. Can't tell you how many
libronics resources I bought but cannot use very well.
Plus it's a pain to unlock and install. Again, go get the resources at
Optasia.org or optasiaministries.org Sharon

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Merv Keck via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:18 AM
To: 'Brian Howerton'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: logos bible software

The short answer is No! Logos three was the last really accessible version.
I have Logos 4 Platinum with something like 2100 or 2200 books in my library
and can no longer use it now that I have recently lost the pretty much the
remainder of my vision. I still use magic a little but Logos doesn't work
with the latest version of either Magic or Jaws.  I graduated from both
Bible college and Seminary and am still hoping to one day be able to use
current versions of both Logos and jaws to once again take advantage of most
if not all of my resources. I realize I may never again be able to use my
Greek, Hebrew, and Cuneiform language studies to the fullest again since I
can no longer sight translate the BHS, or any of my Greek or akkadian texts
but I still have a great many English texts that I would like to use and
begin teaching again.


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RE: Lightest laptop that works with jaws

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

If you want something more powerful, the Lenovo Yogas are good too. I have
one and really like it. Perhaps not quite as light as the surface, but it's
a very good and powerful computer. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Stan Bobbitt
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:00 PM
To: Lau; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Lightest laptop that works with jaws

Hi, check out the HP stream notebooks. There is an 11.6 inch with 2 gigs of 
memory which just might be enough to run JAWS. The one I'm looking at has 
windows 8.1, 32 GB harddrive, and as mentioned, 2 GB memory. Oh, and a full 
keyboard but best of all, it's only $199 USD.

Stan B
-Original Message- 
From: Lau via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Lightest laptop that works with jaws

Hi:
Can anyone recommend an extremely light laptop that can have Jaws  on it 
installed? I can't carry very heavy things, but I don't think you can get 
Word  documents on my iPad. So I'm looking to buy an extremely my PC they 
can still allow me to install jealous.
Thank you.Sincerely,

Lauren Snyder, Ph.D.
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RE: latest version of Jaws?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I see this occasionally, but not nearly as often as you describe. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 6:25 PM
To: Jim L; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: latest version of Jaws?

Jim,

I wonder if I also experience this in IE. In the good old days, I could 
navigate to a link using either the arrow keys, the Navigation Quick Keys, 
or the Tab Key. When I then heard link I could press either the spacebar 
or the Enter key and activate the link.

No more, it seems.

Now, the only way a link is ready to be clicked is when I tab to it, or use 
the JAWS+F7 dialog to navigate to the link. Using the arrow keys or 
Navigation Quick Keys does not place me in the sweet spot to activate the 
link using spacebar or Enter.

Anyone else seeing this behavior?

Dave Carlson

Oregonian, Musician, Woodworker, and Pioneer

- Original Message - 
From: Jim L via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)' ted.li...@ky.gov; 'The Jaws for Windows 
support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 02:04 PM
Subject: RE: latest version of Jaws?


But still has focus issues with firefox



-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2015 9:02 PM
To: Melissa Stott; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: latest version of Jaws?

Outstanding.  I guess I'd better contact IT, if I can just remember their
address.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:10 PM
To: Dave Carlson; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: latest version of Jaws?

Latest version of jaws has improved quite a bit.  I'm not having any
problems with it crashing on the internet.

-Original Message-
From: Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:49 PM
To: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) ; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: latest version of Jaws?

Ted,

I tend to agree. Seems that JAWS is crashing less often in Internet
Explorer.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Musician, Woodworker, and Pioneer

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From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: T. Civitello tciv...@comcast.net; The Jaws for Windows support
list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:45 AM
Subject: RE: latest version of Jaws?


Haven't put it in here yet, but, based upon my home use, I like the latest
update.  It should make my Internet work more stable and more predictable,
with fewer breakdowns.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of T. Civitello
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 2:01 PM
To: Kimsan Song; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: latest version of Jaws?

16.0.925

-Original Message-
From: Kimsan Song via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 10:42 AM
To: Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. ; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: latest version of Jaws?

Latest version is 16...

On 2/4/15, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 Jaws16 is the latest version.


 -Original Message-
 From: Lauren via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 12:37 PM
 To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: latest version of Jaws?

 What is the latest version of Jaws?





 Sincerely,



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RE: Jaws won't start automatically in windows 8.1

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Hi Ann,

I had a client who had this very problem. His was Windows 7, but I'm not
sure that actually makes a difference. He called FS tech support, and they
were able to tandem into his computer and fix it for him. As I never quite
understood his explanation of the problem, so I'd just recommend that you
call tech support and let them fix this for you. He also had all the
start-up settings set correctly. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of ann via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 2:49 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws won't start automatically in windows 8.1

I'm very glad it works for you, but that doesn't really help. Thanks, 
anyway, but it looks like this is just something I'll have to get used 
to giving up now that I'm using Windows 8.1. I haven't had this issue on 
any other version of Windows other than 8 and up.

~Ann


On 1/28/2015 11:06 PM, Hozefa Tambawala wrote:
 I am using Win 8.1 and JAWS 15 and 16 comes up automatically without
 any issues. There is no settings which needs to be done other than
 Automatically Start JAWS in Basic Settings.

 On 1/29/15, ann via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 I am running Jfw15 with Windows 8.1. Jaws runs fine at the log on and
 lock screens, but will not start automatically for either of my
 accounts, not my admin or my standard account.

 I know about the Automatically start Jaws settings in the Basics dialog,
 and have checked them countless times. They are set correctly.

 It's not a problem to run it manually, but it is more of a very very
 annoying inconvenience. I also notice that neither the latest versions
 of NVDA nor Window-Eyes has this problem, and both auto start just fine.

 So Does anyone have any suggestions? Could the Windows 8.1 UAC be
 interfering somehow?

 Thanks.
 ~~Ann

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RE: Jaws 16 advantages

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

You need to use either Eloquence or the Vocalizer Expressive voices for this
to work. If you're using the Vocalizer Direct voices, it won't work. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tasha Raella
Chemel via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 8:03 AM
To: 'Dave Durber'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 16 advantages

I have jaws 16 and have lost the ability to hear the raised pitch for
capital letters. I have this setting checked in the settings center, and
it's still not working. Am I missing something?

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 7:28 AM
To: j Bron; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 16 advantages

J:

The ability to have JAWS pronounce capital letters at a higher pitch than
lower case letters, has always been a feature of JAWS for Windows. As a
previous list member pointed out, it was not enabled or set up correctly in
your previously installed version of JAWS on your computer.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

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From: j Bron via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'Marianne Denning' maria...@denningweb.com; 'The Jaws for Windows
support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:04 AM
Subject: RE: Jaws 16 advantages


 Thanks.  My grandson set it up for me.  In Jaws 15 I couldn't get the 
 voice I wanted and hearing the pitch difference between caps and LC 
 letters didn't exist.  It's a lot easier writing now.

 -Original Message-
 From: Marianne Denning [mailto:maria...@denningweb.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:58 PM
 To: j Bron; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Jaws 16 advantages

 JAWS has had those features for several versions now.  I would guess 
 they were not set up in the past or were changed.  I am glad they are 
 working for your grandson now.

 On 12/16/14, j Bron via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 I don't know if this applies to anyone else, but my grandson just 
 installed jaws 16 on my windows 7 machine last night.  He was able to 
 get the reid
 voice back.  An added bonus was all of a sudden the pitch for capital 
 letters is higher than lower case letters!  Don't ask me why these 
 wonderful advantages suddenly appeared, but they did.  Judith

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RE: J 16 IE11 and focus

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

The thing I'm noticing with IE 11 is that it's crashing more often with JAWS
16 on my Windows 8.1 computer. I don't notice it nearly as much on my
Windows 7 computer at the office, so I'm more inclined to think it's either
some odd issue with Windows 8.1 or just something strange with my own
computer. I can't say I notice the focus issue though. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 12:03 PM
To: jfw list
Subject: J 16 IE11 and focus

Listers: It seems to me that since switching from J14 to J16 I am having a
lot more focus issues with IE11 on my windows 7 machine. Are others
experiencing this?

Sometimes J16 loses focus and I can do nothing to restore it except to close
the website and reload.

Stan

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RE: Kindle Books, not all have audio!

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I don't think you pay full price for both copies. If I remember correctly,
you pay for the audio and then pay just a couple dollars for the text
version. I may have3 that wrong, but I do know it's probably less expensive
than it would be if you actually bought the book twice. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 7:09 AM
To: Steve Griffiths; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Kindle Books, not all have audio!

I find the idea of buying two copies of a book just to get the audio
is simply absurd. There must be a market though or amazon wouldn't be
offering it. If there's one thing I've learned as both a reader and an
author it's that amazon serves itself first.

Having said that, I must say I adore the kindle app on my iPhone. It
makes me positively dizzy to be able to read almost any book I want at
the click of a button.

On 12/19/14, Steve Griffiths via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 Hi Tim,

 There are two types of audio with Kindle books, synthetic speech and human
 narrated, and I think the person you spoke to at Amazon was confusing the
 two.

 For reading with synthetic speech, all Kindle eBooks have a text-to-speech
 setting within the product details heading on the page about that book.
The
 setting governs whether they will read with synthetic speech on a kindle
 device like the kindle keyboard, and it has two options, enabled or not
 enabled. All Kindle eBooks can be read with synthetic speech in software
 apps, which means Kindle for PC with accessibility, or the Kindle apps for
 iOS and Android, or the Kindle Fire. So long as you have the Kindle for PC
 with accessibility version, you should be able to open the app and pick a
 book with JAWS, and read the book with the built in speech synthesiser.
This
 should work for any book you buy from the Kindle Store.

 In the UK this autumn, but maybe earlier in the US, Amazon introduced the
 Whispersync for Voice feature. This is where a Kindle eBook has an audio
 companion. These are two separate purchases, but if you have both, you can
 switch between reading the eBook with synthetic speech and the audio book
 with human narration. Not all Kindle eBooks have an audio companion, in
fact
 at the moment in the UK very few do. It sounds to me as if the person you
 spoke to was thinking of the Whispersync audio version rather than the
 ability to read with synthetic speech, which does not require a separate
 button to acquire.

 There are a couple of free books you can use to check out Whispersync for
 voice, one of which is Dracula. I found this particularly good for
 demonstrating the potential, because it contains a number of words of East
 European origin that I was unfamiliar with. I could use the audio version
to
 hear how a word is pronounced, and then switch to the synthetic speech
 version on my iPhone to check its spelling. Very neat. But I don't know if
I
 would want to buy two versions of a book to get that feature!

 By the way, the RNIB have some good information about eBooks, although
their
 page on kindle apps doesn't include anything about Whispersync for voice:

http://www.rnib.org.uk/information-everyday-living-reading-ebook-app-reviews
/kindle-ebook-apps

 Steve


 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Guerra
Access
 Technology Training via Jfw
 Sent: 19 December 2014 06:00
 To: 'Tim Ford'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Kindle Books, not all have audio!

 Their was a movement several years ago about a rally against the Authors
 Gild since they were mandating that not all authors should be made to make
 their books with Audio.  Hence this is the result of the authors guild
still
 not fixing it


 Respectfully,

 Guerra Access Technology Training LLC
 An Authorized state of Minnesota Vendor for Technology Training

 Call Guerra Access Technology Training LLC guerra Access Technology
Training
 LLC Visit Guerra Access Technology Training on the Web

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ford via
 Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:56 PM
 To: Adrian Spratt; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Kindle Books, not all have audio!

 I was very excited when I successfully installed and used the Kindle P PC
 software.  I read some of the three books that come pre-loaded.  I was
able
 to do that just fine.

 I then bought a Kindle book, a 2014 copyright date.  It showed up on my
 Kindle software.  I went to read it, and got no speech.  I called Amazon,
 and found that not all Kindle books, even new ones, have the audio.  There
 is nothing to warn a blind purchaser that they are buying a print only
 version.  When I called Amazon, they confirmed the book I had purchased
had
 no audio.  The rep said the only way to tell is that when you are in your
 shopping cart, there is apparently 

RE: JAWS and Bible seeker

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

They are text, html and/or brf. The html bible library is quite slick. If
you use the JAWS links list, you can amtually get around quite quickly and
efficiently. There is even a file on the DVD that explains how things are
set up, so you don't have to play around forever trying to figure it out.  
-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:18 AM
To: Sharon; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: JAWS and Bible seeker

Are these text-only?  I have a PDF an IT friend found for me last spring,
but it's bare-bones.  Right now a friend is trolling Amazon for the one I am
trying to replace.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Sharon via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 AM
To: 'Doris Hubby Chris'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and Bible seeker

Maria, as a sort of a work-around, go to www.optasia.org and get their
library for the blind which has many many Bibles in html and txt and brf, as
well as thousands of other biblical resources.
Sharon 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Doris Hubby
Chris via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:48 PM
To: Maria Campbell; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS and Bible seeker

Hi, Maria,

since this is not in beta, simply contact fs support by mail or telephone.

Doris

At 06:35 PM 12/16/2014, you wrote:
I have an older program, Bible Seeker, which is not working with JAWS 
16 as it does with JAWS 15.
In 15 tabbing speaks Bible version, book, chapter, passage.
Up and down arrows speaks previous book, next book, previous chapter, etc.
In 16little is spoken with tab or arrows.
I don't know how to better explain.
If someone has the same program with the same problem, perhaps he/she 
can tell me how to let FS know of this issue between versions of
JAWS.
Thanks.

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RE: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone? JeannetteRamey

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

This is totally incorrect. Android has a screen reader called Talkback, and
it has had this for some time. Mobile Accessibility did make things easier,
but it isn't necessary anymore. In fact, I don't even know if it's still
available.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Self via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:34 PM
To: Gerardo Corripio; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone?
JeannetteRamey

One thing to consider here is that the IPhone comes with a screenreader and 
the Android does not.  When I was looking into it the screenreader for the 
Android was about 100 bucks, though that may vary, and may have changed 
since then.  I went with the IPhone and am glad I did.

cliff


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RE: Opening lists in file explorer with windows 8

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I don't see this anywhere on my Windows 8.1 machine. Have you tried pressing
insert + escape to see if that will make JAWS read the list? Also, have you
checked your title bar when this happens? You might just be losing focus,
and an alt + tab should fix that.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:49 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Opening lists in file explorer with windows 8

I moved to windows 8 a few days ago.  Some things are going smoothly, 
but ...  In both Documents and Dropbox, Windows 8, Jaws 15 and Jaws 
16, JAWS reports Documents message or dropbox, message and does 
not speak the list of documents.  sometimes I can find it with the 
JAWS cursor, then rout JAWS to pc and get the screen back, and 
sometimes the screen just appears blank.  What's happening?  anybody???

Thanks,

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RE: Lenovo or MS surface pro for workplace

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I have a Yoga 2 11 and absolutely love it! It's almost all good. The only
bad is that you will need sighted assistance to change the function keys
back to their regular functions. Once that's done, though, it's a wonderful
machine. I've used it for personal and work tasks quite successfully. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jodie Hoger
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 5:47 PM
To: jaws
Subject: Lenovo or MS surface pro for workplace

Hi List, Would love some feedback from those of you using either the Lenovo
Yoga or MS Surface Pro  with latest JAWS for work. Would like the good, the
bad and the ugly - smile.
Thanks in advance, 
Jo

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RE: Still having problems with scanned image PDF files

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Hi Tom,

If you're using JAWS 16, those instructions are not correct. 

1. Open the document in Adobe reader
2. When you get the alert empty document, press Insert + space, then o,
then d. You will get the document in a virtual viewer. If it's something
other than a pdf file, you will have to use the instructions you already
have, and it will read in the JAWS cursor as it is doing. Hope this helps. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Still having problems with scanned image PDF files

Hi, all.

 

A few weeks ago, I raised the issue of how best to use the OCR capability in
the most recent versions of Jaws to read scanned image PDF files.

 

In response to my quiry, a list member gave me the following instructions:

 

Tom, using your current version of JAWS, your best bet is to perform an OCR
of your screen, when you have an unreadable PDF in focus.  To do this, you
will need to press JAWS Key plus the space bar to activate the layer menu.

JAWS should make an audible sound indicating that you've done this
successfully.  Then press the letter O.  JAWS should announce OCR.  Then
press S for screen.  You can also press W for window, if the screen option
does not give you what you want.

 

I received another scanned image file today, and tried both sets of
instructions, but had no luck in reading the text in the file.  Jaws did
come up, but it spoke in the Jaws cursor voice, rather than the PC cursor
voice, and didn't appear to be reading anything meaningful from the document
in focus.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

I'd be happy to e-mail the file to anyone who might want to take a look at
it.

 

P.S.  I'm using Jaws 14 on a windows 7 machine here.  Perhaps this would be
a good reason to upgrade to Jaws 16.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 

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RE: where did j16 go? an installation puzzle

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

According to the installation instructionss, you should only have to install
the OCR separately if you don't have Internet access during installation. It
typically will download the OCR during the installation process, but if you
don't have Internet access for some reason, that obviously can't happen. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Macha via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:35 AM
To: Maria Campbell; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: where did j16 go? an installation puzzle

I know it installed automaticly on my computer. It is a windows 8 64 byt 
Gateway.

-Original Message- 
From: Maria Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:32 AM
To: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) ; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: where did j16 go? an installation puzzle

I thought the OCR part would install automatically?  Why not?  Why
separately?


Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@sbcglobal.net

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
Blaise Pascal

On 11/14/2014 7:08 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:
 Hmmm, you haven't got yours either? I'm awaiting mine for the training and

 extra voices.  I ran it for the first time last night; having to install 
 the OCR separately made for a lengthy installation, but it took off and 
 ran like a champ after that.  Having said that, I'll probably feel rather 
 foolish if it vanishes overnight.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin 
 Hourigan via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:20 PM
 To: Stan Holdeman; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: where did j16 go? an installation puzzle

 That's what happened to me, I ended up without any speech, and had to 
 guess where Jaws was on the start menu until I hit my old version of Jaws 
 14, and got it running. Now I am waiting patiently for my disk in the 
 mail.
 Cheers Kevin.


 -Original Message-
 From: Stan Holdeman via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:58 PM
 To: jfw list
 Subject: where did j16 go? an installation puzzzle

 I downloaded J16 from FS, saved and then ran it. It went through the usual

 instalation process, including to restart the computer. After restart I 
 find no evidence of J16 anywhere on my computer. What happened?

 This is a windows 7 64 bit machine presently running J14.
 Stan
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RE: jfw 16

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I would install it. It's worth it. I have only had one problem which is the
annoying keyboard issue. I'd install it but leave 15 available in case you
have problems. you can always go back if you want, so it really doesn't hurt
anything.
-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of j Bron via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 1:35 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: jfw 16

I haven't been following this thread religiously but I just got a disc for
Jaws 16.  Considering the problems people have been habing with it is it
worth installing?  Thanks, Judith

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RE: Timed licenses? and rescuing my Jaws?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

In the podcast on this, they did say that you would be able to own JAWS after a 
certain number of timed licenses. This would be JAWS Professional if my 
understanding of the podcast is correct. I also heard on a Tech Talk 
presentation that they are looking at doing something similar with JAWS home 
edition. Let's see what happens. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir 
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:25 PM
To: Angel; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Timed licenses? and rescuing my Jaws?

One thing to note is that unlike the similar window eyes license
option this does not appear to be a pay over time option.  It is just
a flat three months, not eventual payment toward a full license the
way WE works.

On 11/12/14, Angel via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 E-mail freedom scientific.  I am sure they would be happy to assist with the

 questions you might have.
 - Original Message -
 From: Gerardo Corripio via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: Email Jaws for Windows support List jfw@lists.the-jdh.com;
 jaws-users-l...@jaws-users.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:26 PM
 Subject: Timed licenses? and rescuing my Jaws?


   I wonder how good is the new Jaws Timed Licenses alternative? Have you
 guys used it? How much is it, or wherwhere can I find info on it? which
 also makes me wonder, is it worth it to somehow rescue my Jaws English,
 but to be switched to Spanish, or would I be better off, if
 circumstances allow, buying a new license? I still remember my serial
 number of 23 something 56! but the dealers here in Mexico don't seem to
 take me seriously, thus I wonder if I can do this directly from FS?

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RE: JAWS, Windows 7 and libraries

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I just press Windows Key plus E. I can either go to one of the libraries or
keep going down to the drives. I also use first letter navigation. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 3:03 PM
To: Ron Barton; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: JAWS, Windows 7 and libraries

I understand Windows 8 has libraries, but you have to bring them out of
hiding; trouble is I don't remember how.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ron Barton via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:19 PM
To: 'Cy Selfridge'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'; 'Adrian Spratt'
Subject: RE: JAWS, Windows 7 and libraries

I have never used Windows 7 but rather jumped from XP right to Windows 8.
So I don't know if there is any similarity at all but I get to my documents
from the start menu by pressing the letter F that brings up file explorer.
After opening file explorer I arrow to the OS hard drive and click on it
then type the letter U until it takes me to the users that I click on which
takes me to the libraries.  Knowing that my documents are in the library
titled Ron I click on that.  This takes me to all of my folders in my
library I then click on my document folder that takes me to all of the
folders that I have created in my documents.  This may seem like a long
process but I find it a very clean way to separate all of my documents in to

convenient folders!

RB
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:35 AM
To: 'Adrian Spratt'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS, Windows 7 and libraries

Hi,
I gave your method a shot and was surprised where it sent me. 
It sent me to documents alright but what I found there really did not look
like my documents.
Strange!
Cy
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via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: JAWS, Windows 7 and libraries

The fastest way I've found to get to documents, etc. is the following:

1. Press the Windows key. Don't enter anything in the search field.

2. Right-arrow once. This takes you to a menu which, on my system, has ten
items.

3. Press d until documents is verbalized, then press enter. For music,
press m, and so on.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of ct via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:16 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: JAWS, Windows 7 and libraries

Hi.  New to Windows 7 and feel lost.  I think I've found that folders such
as downloads, music and videos are in a place called libraries.  I'm curious
to know if there's a JAWS keystroke that will take me to the libraries
section so that I can more easily get to those folders mentioned.  Thanks
for reading.

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RE: Anyone Noticed erratic typing behaviour after upgrading to JAWS 16?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I have the same problem on my Windows 7 computer at work, but not on my
Windows 8.1 Lenovo convertible. My work computer uses a wireless keyboard,
while I use the built-in keyboard on my Lenovo. Isn't the keyboard on the
Surface bluetooth? I wonder if this has something to do with it. It doesn't
happen if I use my Braille display for input either. Just some thoughts. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jason White
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:15 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Re: Anyone Noticed erratic typing behaviour after upgrading to JAWS
16?

Diana Brent via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 I am using JAWS with Windows 8 on a Surface computer and  with aFocus
 braille display with speech echo turned off. Since I upgraded JAWS a few
 days ago, I have found that as I type in an e-mail or Word Document,
letters
 will regularly not get entered where they should in a word but then get
 carried along ahead of my cursor until I notice them and edit. I am not
 saying my typing is blameless, but I have only seen this specific
behaviour
 since upgrading. Thoughts? 

I have seen this too, and only since upgrading. It happens everywhere, not
just in any particular application.

Turning off the option that forces the cursor to follow the braille display
eliminated the bug for me. (This option is off by default but I had turned
it
on. Turning it off again was enough to work around the bug. I haven't yet
submitted a bug report.)


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RE: Anyone Noticed erratic typing behaviour after upgrading to JAWS 16?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Thanks for the warning! I'll think twice before changing that setting. Also,
I noticed that you had your typing echo off. I have mine set to words, and
the strange thing is that JAWS says all the words correctly unless I really
do make a mistake. I don't find the problem until I spell check or proofread
the message. I'm only seeing this in Outlook so far. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Diana Brent
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:22 AM
To: 'Diana Brent'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Anyone Noticed erratic typing behaviour after upgrading to JAWS
16?

More erratic now. I changed that one setting in JAWS and when I replied to
an e-mail, all the text went in from right to left, very cool if you want to
spontaneously type backwards or work in other languages that are intended to
work that way. Not so great for communicating in English. When I changed the
JAWS setting back, my typing flipped back as well. Good thing or I wouldn't
be writing this. 

Diana
-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Diana Brent
via Jfw
Sent: November 12, 2014 10:50 AM
To: 'Jason White'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Anyone Noticed erratic typing behaviour after upgrading to JAWS
16?

I'll try that, thanks.

Diana

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jason White
via Jfw
Sent: November 11, 2014 9:15 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Re: Anyone Noticed erratic typing behaviour after upgrading to JAWS
16?

Diana Brent via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 I am using JAWS with Windows 8 on a Surface computer and  with aFocus 
 braille display with speech echo turned off. Since I upgraded JAWS a 
 few days ago, I have found that as I type in an e-mail or Word 
 Document, letters will regularly not get entered where they should in 
 a word but then get carried along ahead of my cursor until I notice 
 them and edit. I am not saying my typing is blameless, but I have only 
 seen this specific behaviour since upgrading. Thoughts?

I have seen this too, and only since upgrading. It happens everywhere, not
just in any particular application.

Turning off the option that forces the cursor to follow the braille display
eliminated the bug for me. (This option is off by default but I had turned
it on. Turning it off again was enough to work around the bug. I haven't yet
submitted a bug report.)


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RE: Anyone Noticed erratic typing behaviour after upgrading to JAWS 16?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I see this on my windows 7 computer at work, but not on my windows 8.1
laptop. I thought it was my wireless keyboard being in need of batteries.
This is very strange indeed.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Diana Brent
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 4:15 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Anyone Noticed erratic typing behaviour after upgrading to JAWS 16?

I am using JAWS with Windows 8 on a Surface computer and  with aFocus
braille display with speech echo turned off. Since I upgraded JAWS a few
days ago, I have found that as I type in an e-mail or Word Document, letters
will regularly not get entered where they should in a word but then get
carried along ahead of my cursor until I notice them and edit. I am not
saying my typing is blameless, but I have only seen this specific behaviour
since upgrading. Thoughts? 

Diana 


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RE: Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I have a Yoga 2 11, which is a similar machine though not quite as powerful as 
what you're looking at. I love the machine with one exception. The function 
keys are used for other things, and it doesn't even seem as though you can use 
the FN key with them to get normal function keys. This can be fixed quite 
easily, though, if you have sighted assistance. I have an article that tells 
you step-by-step how to do it. I can email it off list if you would like. Now 
that I have that problem fixed, I absolutely love the machine. I take it almost 
everywhere, and I'd venture to say that I use it like some people use their 
iPads or other mobile devices. Hope this helps. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell 
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 12:23 AM
To: Johna Lynn Nordin; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro?

Hi everyone,

I am thinking of purchasing a new laptop running Windows 8.1. I’ve heard some 
good things about the Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, which is a hybrid laptop/tablet. I’m 
wondering if anyone is using this model with Jaws, and, if so how well does it 
work? I’m running Jaws 16. The Yoga 2 Pro I’m looking at has an i7 Haswell 
processor, 8 GB of RAM and a 260 GB SSD drive. Some of the reviews I’ve read 
are good and some are not so good, but that’s usually the way with user 
reviews. There is a newer model, the Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro which has a new 5th 
generation processor, but apparently the battery life isn’t as good, and it’s 
an extra 300 dollars or so.

I’d really appreciate hearing from anyone who is using any of the Yoga Pro 
models.

I’d also appreciate hearing about any laptops people are using with Jaws that 
work well.

Thanks,

Russell
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RE: Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

My 2 11 has an insert key to the right of f12. I also have an applications key. 
I would also agree on Geek Squad. I bought my unit directly from Lenovo. When I 
found the problem with the function keys, I wished I'd had Geek Squad to help 
me out. It would have saved me the tears I cried after a not-so-great encounter 
with tech support. Don't get me wrong, they were friendly and helpful, but they 
told me this couldn't be changed. After I cried my eyes out, I paid a visit to 
Google and found the answer. Since there seems to be some interest in this 
topic, I'll post the article as soon as I can find where I saved the darn 
thing. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ed Marquette via 
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 5:11 AM
To: 'Russell Solowoniuk'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro?

Russell:
I cannot help with a Yoga Pro model.  I can, however, tell you about my basic 
Yoga.
I purchased it virtually as soon as Windows 8 came out.  The Yoga was so hard 
to find, I couldn't get it anywhere in San Diego.  I had to go to Orange 
County, which was too far to drive.  Ultimately, I got it in Topeka, Kansas.
That was 2 or 3 years ago.
The Yoga is the best computer I've ever owned.  The home, end, pageup, 
pagedown, and other keys are the best I've ever seen.  Also, unlike some 
laptops, there is an applications key.  I regularly get 7 to 10 hours of 
battery life.  Just go to mobility center, turn down the screen, and put in 
power saver mode.
The only trick is with the insert key. I like to have two JAWS keys, the 
capslock key and the insert key.  Unfortunately, I cannot have both a second 
JAWS key and an applications key.  I can have an applications key and one JAWS 
key, which is how I have my Yoga set up.  The touch screen is great.  Yes, 
there are actually some functions where touching the screen is pretty handy.  
If you are lecturing.  It is fantastic for notes.  
I've used nothing but Lenovo laptops and ultrabooks for 10 years.  As far as 
I'm concerned, they are the Gold Standard of laptops.
Of course, this (like pretty much everything else you hear about laptop or 
computer choices) is subjective, and personal taste varies widely.
One thing I would encourage you to think about.  If you get a Lenovo (or most 
any laptop), I would encourage you to check out Best Buy and the Geek Squad.  
They can help you get your firmware and other settings fixed, get your virus 
protection set up, and give you a little tutorial on your laptop before you 
leave the store.
Then, at any time thereafter, they are as close as a phone call away.  They are 
amazing.


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell 
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 11:23 PM
To: Johna Lynn Nordin; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro?

Hi everyone,

I am thinking of purchasing a new laptop running Windows 8.1. I’ve heard some 
good things about the Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, which is a hybrid laptop/tablet. I’m 
wondering if anyone is using this model with Jaws, and, if so how well does it 
work? I’m running Jaws 16. The Yoga 2 Pro I’m looking at has an i7 Haswell 
processor, 8 GB of RAM and a 260 GB SSD drive. Some of the reviews I’ve read 
are good and some are not so good, but that’s usually the way with user 
reviews. There is a newer model, the Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro which has a new 5th 
generation processor, but apparently the battery life isn’t as good, and it’s 
an extra 300 dollars or so.

I’d really appreciate hearing from anyone who is using any of the Yoga Pro 
models.

I’d also appreciate hearing about any laptops people are using with Jaws that 
work well.

Thanks,

Russell
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RE: Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Here's the article. I will put the link first and then the text. Here are a 
couple things to keep in mind. Once you press the little button on the side of 
the machine, you do need to select BIOS set-up from the menu. Also, f10 to save 
and exit didn't work for me. We had to save and then exit separately. It will 
ask you if you're sure you want to save the changes. Just a reminder that this 
will require sighted assistance. 

http://monkeyweekend.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/how-to-turn-back-function-f1-f12-keys-old-behavior-without-pressing-fn-key-in-lenovo-yoga-2-pro/

How to turn back function F1-F12 keys old behavior without pressing Fn key in 
Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro?

Posted on March 23, 2014 by kiewic  
  

Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro seems to be the hottest laptop out there in the market right 
now. Yes, even hotter than a mac book air :)

But the Yoga 2 Pro comes configured with some settings that are not the best 
settings for professionals looking for a powerful computer. One example of 
these weak settings is the default behavior of the function keys, by default 
they work as hot keys (mute the volume, turn up/down the volume, close a 
window, refresh, change display settings, turn on/off airplane mode, turn 
on/off the display, increase/decrease the brightness, etc.).

To return to the old behavior of the function keys:
1. Turn off the computer.
2. Enter BIOS setup by pressing the little button next to the power button (see 
picture above).
3. Go to Configuration, select Hotkey mode and press Enter.
4. Select Disabled and press Enter.
5. Press F10 to save and exit.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell 
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 12:23 AM
To: Johna Lynn Nordin; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro?

Hi everyone,

I am thinking of purchasing a new laptop running Windows 8.1. I’ve heard some 
good things about the Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, which is a hybrid laptop/tablet. I’m 
wondering if anyone is using this model with Jaws, and, if so how well does it 
work? I’m running Jaws 16. The Yoga 2 Pro I’m looking at has an i7 Haswell 
processor, 8 GB of RAM and a 260 GB SSD drive. Some of the reviews I’ve read 
are good and some are not so good, but that’s usually the way with user 
reviews. There is a newer model, the Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro which has a new 5th 
generation processor, but apparently the battery life isn’t as good, and it’s 
an extra 300 dollars or so.

I’d really appreciate hearing from anyone who is using any of the Yoga Pro 
models.

I’d also appreciate hearing about any laptops people are using with Jaws that 
work well.

Thanks,

Russell
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RE: What is JAWS for Home Use?

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

As I read this thread, I noticed that someone said that there was less
functionality in JAWS home use edition. My understanding is that this is not
correct. Both versions have the same functionality. One is for commercial
use and one is not. That's the only difference according to what I've heard
on several programs and podcasts I have listened to. You can even now buy
remote desktop for home use edition. I'd be curious as to where the person
heard that there was less functionality in home use edition because I
haven't heard that anywhere. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Macha via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:43 AM
To: Kelly Pierce; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What is JAWS for Home Use?

People with home addition will hear, Jaws home addition. when Jaws starts.

This is cheaper for SMA and purchase price according to FS.

-Original Message- 
From: Kelly Pierce via Jfw
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 12:51 PM
To: Pat Byrne ; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What is JAWS for Home Use?

Do folks with the message have JAWS Home edition or JAWS Professional?
FS changed the licensing for JAWS.  From what I understand of the new
arrangement, people with JAWS Home Edition can now use the program on
many different flavors of Windows.  It used to be this license could
only be used on the lowest windows license tiers, typically called
home.  Now, the home users will have certain functions of JAWS
disabled and licensing provisions are more restrictive.  JAWS
Professional will continue to offer all features of JAWS, work on all
versions of Windows, and offer the least restrictive licensing
arrangement.

Kelly




On 10/26/14, Pat Byrne via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 Steve,
 I downloaded JFW 15 - 64 bit and get the same message.  So,
 apparently your customer knows whereof he/she speaks.
 And my download was this afternoon, October 26th
 Pat ByrneAt 09:22 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote:
Hi, Gary:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 12:50:32 -0500, you wrote:

 JAWS for Home Use is supposed to start with JAWS 16.  Standard
 licenses will
 become JAWS for Home Use licenses and will allow home users to use
 professional versions of Windows.  I have a standard license for
 JAWS, and I
 am using JAWS 16 Beta.  When it starts, it announces, JAWS Home
 Use Edition
 Beta Release.  I have no idea why you would be having this issue with
  JAWS
 15.  You may have to discuss it with FS.

Nope, I have to discuss it with my worthy but not so savvy client, who
obviously downloaded and installed the wrong thing. He was going to
15, but I suspect he downloaded 16 instead.

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RE: Jaws and netbook computers

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

If you have an external hard drive, I think I'd go for a tablet with a
keyboard instead. It'll do everything you want, and they're actually more
powerful than netbooks. The only disadvantage may be storage. You can use an
external hard drive with a tablet though. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Macha via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:40 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Jaws and netbook computers



Tom Nachahello my computer running Windows 8 is currently going in the shop
may not come back to two charging port issue I was wondering if a netbook
would be sufficient I am a college student and running open book 9.0 as well
is a netbook sufficient for college withdraws open book and doing research
projects any help would be appreciated thanks
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RE: Problem with Adobe

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Download the JAWS 16 public beta. The convenient OCR should do thetrick.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:22 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Problem with Adobe

These are image PDF files for which you must perform OCR, optical character
recognition. Although JAWS has a limited OCR function, you will need an OCR
program such as OmniPage or a package like Kurzweil. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bolduc
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:08 AM
To: JFW Users List
Subject: Problem with Adobe

Good morning,

 

I have received a couple files in PDF format then when I open these files it
shows 840 Kilobytes then protected view comes up, I'm sorry I think it comes
up or it's a different file, which I enable editing.  

 

The file is empty according to what JAWS says but as previously stated it's
840 Kb in size.  What gives, comments and suggestions?  

 

Thank you,

 

Have a great day,

 

Paul Bolduc

 

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RE: Adobe Connect or Webex

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Hi Brad,


Until last night I also thought Adobe Connect was not accessible. I had some
time to explore prior to my webinar, and I found a couple of things. If you
hit the space bar on any of the menus, you will enter a menu bar. You can
use left and right arrows to find the menus and up and down arrows for the
submenus. In the help menu I found a list of short-cut keys. I was able to
find the edit box for the chat. I was also able to find the content area and
even read the slides. I don't remember what the keys were now, but I know I
have more webinars coming up. The next time I take one, I'll try to paste
the short-cuts into a document. Then I'll paste them into an email message
and post them here. That is, if it's ok with the moderator. Hope this helps.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 9:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Adobe Connect or Webex

As a small part of my job, I occasionally have to attend webinars. The 
hosting organization has heard my concerns regarding Adobe Connect, and 
they're genuinely interested in helping me if they can switch to a more 
accessible solution.

I didn't have any trouble using Adobe Connect to access the webinar.  I 
could hear it just fine.  But I couldn't use the chat feature, which is 
the way they offered for asking questions.  I couldn't even find the 
chat box in Adobe Connect.

They have asked me if Webex is any better to use for this purpose, and I 
don't know the answer to that.  Because the National Disability 
Institute uses it, I would hope that it is, but I have no experience 
with Webex.  Can anyone tell me if you've had any luck using it with 
JAWS?  I have JAWS 15 and Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit.  As a side question, I 
used Adobe Connect the other day with Firefox; would I have had better 
luck with Internet Explorer and Adobe Connect?

Thanks,
Brad Martin
b...@formyfriends.org
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Re: second request jaws 14 and windows live mail

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

I've had this problem before. Since I use a Braille display, I can see that 
the message is actually there, but JAWS isn't reading it. The problem is 
that if you don't hit escape and reopen the message, JAWS won't 
automatically read them anymore until you do. When this problem happens, try 
using your arrow keys and see if the message is actually there. 
Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix this.


-Original Message- 
From: David Hardingham via Jfw

Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 6:52 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: second request jaws 14 and windows live mail

I received little or no help with my question.

When I try and sort my incomeing e mail and hit the delete key on the six 
pack sometimes the cursor will move to the next message in the list but more 
often it will just stop.


In order to move to the next message I have to hit excape and the down 
curser.


I get a lot of mail for which I have no interest and going through takes 
much longer this way.


Again I have jaws14 latest, latest windows live mail and i..e. 8.

Thanks,

David
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RE: Question On Stopping Jaws From Announcing Paragraph markers and other Headings

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

This is actually not a JAWS problem. It is a Word problem. What version of
Word are you running? Let me know, and I'll try to help.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:04 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: FW: Question On Stopping Jaws From Announcing Paragraph markers and
other Headings

All:

 

As an additional note to my post below, Jaws now announces space markers,
which it did not do previously.

 

I need to turn these unnecessary announcements off in order to effectively
read and edit documents.

 

Don't mean to be a pest here, but this problem just cropped up this morning.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombeh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 9:43 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Question On Stopping Jaws From Announcing Paragraph markers and
other Headings

 

Hello again, everyone.

 

I have recently noticed that in Word 2010 files, Jaws now announces
paragraph markers and other headings.

 

Although this info can be helpful, it is very annoying when trying to read
through an entire document.

 

I have some instructions here that tell me to use insert V for Jaws quick
settings, and to turn new lines and paragraph settings off in the editing
options, but this only works for the document I'm currently in.

 

Is there a global setting via which I can turn the paragraph and heading
announcements off completely for all MS Word documents?

 

I am not sure how these announcements got turned on, so I have to believe a
global adjustment to Jaws can be made somewhere.

 

I'm using Jaws 14 with Windows 7 and office 2010 here.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan







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RE: Question On Stopping Jaws From Announcing Paragraph markers and other Headings

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Go to Word options. Take a look at display. There are various checkboxes.
You probably have spaces and paragraph marks checked. Uncheck those, and it
should make things better. The heading announcements probably are coming
from JAWS. Change this in the settings center if you want it to apply to all
documents. Let me know if you need more detail.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:32 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Question On Stopping Jaws From Announcing Paragraph markers and
other Headings

Londa:

I'm running Word 2010 here.

Dr.  Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:21 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Question On Stopping Jaws From Announcing Paragraph markers and
other Headings

This is actually not a JAWS problem. It is a Word problem. What version of
Word are you running? Let me know, and I'll try to help.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:04 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: FW: Question On Stopping Jaws From Announcing Paragraph markers and
other Headings

All:

 

As an additional note to my post below, Jaws now announces space markers,
which it did not do previously.

 

I need to turn these unnecessary announcements off in order to effectively
read and edit documents.

 

Don't mean to be a pest here, but this problem just cropped up this morning.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombeh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 9:43 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Question On Stopping Jaws From Announcing Paragraph markers and
other Headings

 

Hello again, everyone.

 

I have recently noticed that in Word 2010 files, Jaws now announces
paragraph markers and other headings.

 

Although this info can be helpful, it is very annoying when trying to read
through an entire document.

 

I have some instructions here that tell me to use insert V for Jaws quick
settings, and to turn new lines and paragraph settings off in the editing
options, but this only works for the document I'm currently in.

 

Is there a global setting via which I can turn the paragraph and heading
announcements off completely for all MS Word documents?

 

I am not sure how these announcements got turned on, so I have to believe a
global adjustment to Jaws can be made somewhere.

 

I'm using Jaws 14 with Windows 7 and office 2010 here.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan







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RE: Tab key and other crap

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Hi Jean,

I'm using the same combination and don't have this problem. I'd be extremely 
frustrated. Have you tried unloading and reloading JAWS? 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies via 
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:38 PM
To: Jaws list
Subject: Tab key and other crap

Just got back from a holiday, found there was a Jaws update and stupidly did 
it. Using latest Jaws, Word 2013 as well. 

Why on earth does the tab key not work now? I am on a work deadline, and spent 
endless time only to discover that a normal tab is now done with shift-tab. Who 
would have dreamed that one up? Very backward. 

In Word, control-E to center text no longer works for me. Is this a Word change 
or a Jaws screw-up? I also find I can no longer use the normal tab or shift-tab 
in dialogue boxes. If I want to recheck a field, I have to cycle around again 
with the very frustrrating shift-tab. 

Sorry, I’m way behind on list messages as I’ve been away. Sorry if this has 
been talked about already. Is there something I can do to fix this other than 
going back to a previous Jaws version and registering my dissatisfaction with 
FS? 

Jean 
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RE: Screen Readers

[Londa Peterson via Jfw]

Hi Kimber,

I haven't tried the free Window-eyes offer yet, but I'm reading mixed
reviews on the various lists I'm on. Some people really love it, but others
are having major issues. I guess that's why I haven't tried it yet. In other
words, I don't think you're alone.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 1:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Just as a point of information with no judgment intended, I recently
purchased Office 2013 and thought I'd take advantage of the free
Window Eyes offer to take it for a test drive. Aside from the fact I
found the command structure rather confusing, window eyes consistently
crashed my laptop. This happened so often I decided to take it off my
system and won't be returning to it any time soon.

Your milage, as they say, may vary. But I'm curious to know if this
happened because the two screen readers were vying for the eloquence
synthesizer? Or is there some other inherent conflict between JFW and
WE?

I have since chosen to use NVDA as my backup screen reader for when
Jaws takes a dive.

Thoughts?

Kimber

On 5/9/14, James Malone via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 Just a heads up, I've been asked to try and use the jaws set AP within
 window-eyes. A lot of clients that can't afford to keep up with their
plans
 to upgrade Jaws is getting their systems preloaded with Window-Eyes and
 word. This is included with their new system.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
 via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:08 AM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Screen Readers

 GW Micro is also making window eyes available in the maimn menu of
 Microsoft
 products.  Eventually, at this rate, all of us will be using window eyes.
 Judith

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
 via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:57 AM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Screen Readers

 I absolutely agree with you in this.
 With government funding getting shorter and shorter FS may have problems
 selling their wares to their largest client.
 Cy


 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
 via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:49 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Screen Readers


 No matter how scrittable Narrator becomes, it will never be as functional
 or
 feature-rich as JAWS or Window Eyes.  If any screen reader is in trouble,
 it
 may be JAWS, not Window Eyes.  As long as FS continues to charge upwards
of
 $1000 for JAWS and makes absolutely no concessions to make it more
 affordable like GW Micro has with Window Eyes, it is in more danger of
 going
 under than GW Micro.

 Gerald


 - Original Message -
 From: Nicole Massey via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM
 Subject: RE: Screen Readers


 Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute.
 This move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and
 since Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be
 scriptable in Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
 Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts and
 legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen
 reader company.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald
 Levy via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Screen Readers


 Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
 around, but who knows for how long?  Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and
 Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013,
 not to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how
 Serotek can remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.

 Gerald


 - Original Message -
 From: Nicole Massey via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
 Subject: RE: Screen Readers


  Is System Access still free and in production?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
  Mario Brusco via Jfw
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Re: Screen Readers
 
  there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
  would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like
  Lequendo's Allison.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Anna Byrne via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
  Subject: RE: Screen Readers