Re: [lace] Re: "marking" pairs (was: Starting a Torchon bookmark)
Yup - I'm corrected!! I'm metrically challenged! C - Original Message - From: "Tamara P. Duvall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lace Arachne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:10 PM Subject: [lace] Re: "marking" pairs (was: Starting a Torchon bookmark) > On Monday, Nov 24, 2003, at 21:59 US/Eastern, Clay Blackwell wrote: > > > I also have found that the very teeny-tiny one > > are harder and harder to find. > > Not in Lexington's WalMart; we're behind the times > > > The ones I use are about 1 X 1.2 mm and anything bigger is a bother. > > Er... before y'all freak out, that's 1x1.2 *cm* (centimetre), or 10x12 > mm > > - > Tamara P Duvall > Lexington, Virginia, USA > Formerly of Warsaw, Poland > http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] square bobbins raffle update
Hi everyone I should have said that I will take names up to the evening of November 30 from anyone at any time zone. We'll do the draw the next morning, PST. So far 60 names have been submitted but I'll keep taking them until Sunday night. Please also send me a message privately if you don't want the whole list to know that you've entered - and also because I get the digest it is easier for me to respond right away to a private message. So - if you send me your name, I will send a brief acknowledgement back, directly. If you have sent but not heard from me, please send again. In case anyone missed my first message, this is a freeby raffle for 4 nice cherry wood square bobbins that I will not be using - enter if you like using squares! Update to the update - there will be a second prize drawing after the set of 4 have been 'won' - for a single square that has surfaced from my Stuff. So - everyone has 1 chance in 25 (so far) to win. Two things to mention: it is great fun to do a raffle - one feels v. popular :)) and - I am intrigued at the popularity of the squares, either people like them or as a few of us have opined, *don't* like them at all (I do have a few special souvenir squares, and I'm keeping those for sentimental reasons). -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wt912 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: "marking" pairs (was: Starting a Torchon bookmark)
On Monday, Nov 24, 2003, at 21:59 US/Eastern, Clay Blackwell wrote: I also have found that the very teeny-tiny one are harder and harder to find. Not in Lexington's WalMart; we're behind the times The ones I use are about 1 X 1.2 mm and anything bigger is a bother. Er... before y'all freak out, that's 1x1.2 *cm* (centimetre), or 10x12 mm - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: "marking" pairs (was: Starting a Torchon bookmark)
Tamara has graciously attributed the trick of the clips to me, but in fact I learned about them from a member of the Liberty Lacers (thanks, Etta!) while at a workshop in Philadelphia. And while my "purist" Binche teacher (Michael Giusiana) hates them (they get in the way when you know what you're doing...) I find them extremely helpful. (and yes, you can read that I don't yet know what I'm doing!!) I also have found that the very teeny-tiny one are harder and harder to find. I think it has to do with hair fashions (duh!) so if you're working with tiny bobbins (as in Binche) it's best to go out and get two or three dozen while you can still find them. The ones I use are about 1 X 1.2 mm and anything bigger is a bother. Clay > A few months ago, Clay (Blackwell) came up with a "better mousetrap"... > :) She found teeny-tiny hair clips, and uses those. You clip one of > them on the shank of a bobbin, (close to the neck where it's not in the > way of your fingers) you want to mark/identify and, hey-presto! it's > different from the rest of the herd :) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Thread question
On Monday, Nov 24, 2003, at 20:03 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sandy) wrote: I'm a newbie and teaching myself Bobbin Lace. So far, I'm only using DMC # 5 and DMC #8. Now, a new pattern calls for Brok 36. Can someone tell me what this thread would equate to? In addition to the above mentioned threads, I also have Fresia 70/2 (which I have not used yet), Tanne 80, and some 12 wt cotton (not sure if this would work at all?). Brok 36 is not a precise term (are you using a pattern from the Karpenkos' Lace Express? ) -- Brok's 36/2 and the 36/3 are not the same thread. Although the difference in thickness is minimal, the difference in the finished product will be visible -- a 3-ply thread is crisper/rounder than a 2-ply one, and "meshes" less with its neighbours. Fresia 70/2 is slightly thicker than either of the Broks; you'd either need to enlarge the pricking a bit, or resign yourself to some "congestion" (OTOH, if you think the lace, as pictured, is a bit "gauzy", then go ahead and use the pricking as is). Tanne 80 is, definitely, a "thread for later"; it's 3/5th of the thicker of the Broks (36/3), and not for a beginner (though, once you get past the novice stage, you'll find it in the middle range of threads, rather than fine). Don't know anything about "cotton 12 wt", without knowing the manufacturer. But don't throw it away :) Sooner or later, you *will* be able to use it -- if not for the "base" thread, then for gimp. Also, is there a website that will list these different threads, purposes and equivalents? If you like making lace, you might as well bite the bullet and make the best investment of your life; buy Brenda Paternoster's booklet "Threads for Lace; edition 2" :) The problem of thread substitution surfaces over and over again throughout every lacemaker's life :) Brenda (one of "us"; an Arachnean) has tested hundreds of them, measured their "coverage", and arranged them in such a way as to make the substitutions as easy as possible. She's in UK and doesn't take "plastic" but you can arrange with her to send U$-cash (to send cash, BTW, it's safest to put your bills in a greeting card. Big enough so you don't have to fold the money, and thick enough so that it's not easily detectable as an enclosure) Go visit: http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/threads/threads.html Once you have the booklet, and once your stash of threads is bigger, you might want to approach the issue from the other end -- use the thread you *have*, but re-size the *pricking* to fit. To help you do that, visit: http://www.q7design.demon.co.uk/lacenotes/sizes/index.html Another Arachnean (Vibeke, in Denmark) has made a chart -- a bit like a train time-table -- which tells you how to. Welcome to the never-ending adventure of Bobbin Lace :) - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: "marking" pairs (was: Starting a Torchon bookmark)
Tamara, I understand what you're saying, but after 4 or 5 pinholes, that double-thread needs to separate to become fan passives, so I think it'd be just as easy to persist with a pair of bobbins to start with. On the spur of the moment, "marking" the bobbins by tying them was the first thing that came to mind - sometimes if you're not experienced in this sort of procedure, a visual prompt helps - but anything which reminds the lacemaker that these two threads should be treated as one would do. I also agree about the orthodontic rubber bands - I still have a stock of them, and its been 22 years since the orthotics came off my (then) youngsters!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tamara wrote: In that particular start, I'd have "cross-wound" the pairs: take two pairs, but don't wind them as pairs; for winding purposes, use one bobbin from each pair. When you hang those two mis-matched "pairs", open, on a pin, there'll be a "true pair" on one side of the pin and another "true pair" on the other side :) Small rubber bands (orthodontal type) are nice and easy for tying a pair together but, frankly, I don't like tying two bobbins for any length of time -- http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Thread question
I'm a newbie and teaching myself Bobbin Lace. So far, I'm only using DMC # 5 and DMC #8. Now, a new pattern calls for Brok 36. Can someone tell me what this thread would equate to? In addition to the above mentioned threads, I also have Fresia 70/2 (which I have not used yet), Tanne 80, and some 12 wt cotton (not sure if this would work at all?). Also, is there a website that will list these different threads, purposes and equivalents? Thanks for any help you can give me. Sandy in WI Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: "marking" pairs (was: Starting a Torchon bookmark)
I've written to Anette off list (essentially the same thing as Ruth, but mine was *way longer* - as usual ), but the following in Ruth's message caught my eye: On Monday, Nov 24, 2003, at 17:10 US/Eastern, Ruth Budge wrote: She also says, on page 48, that the two pairs of bobbins hung on a temporary pin are actually used double - i.e., although you have two pairs, treat them as one. If it was me, I think I'd be tying each pair together after I'd worked the first pin, to remind me to use them double. I have a bit of a "hangup", left over from the early days of lacemaking -- I like my pairs to *be* pairs, whenever possible (early days, I avoided hst like a plague, since it "divorced" them ). So, pairs which have only one function throughout (footside and headside passives, for example) tend to be "marked" in some way -- usually by beeing a distinctive colour of wood or painting. In that particular start, I'd have "cross-wound" the pairs: take two pairs, but don't wind them as pairs; for winding purposes, use one bobbin from each pair. When you hang those two mis-matched "pairs", open, on a pin, there'll be a "true pair" on one side of the pin and another "true pair" on the other side :) Small rubber bands (orthodontal type) are nice and easy for tying a pair together but, frankly, I don't like tying two bobbins for any length of time -- if they don't unwind at *precisely* the same rate, tensioning them, as a unit, may become a problem. A few months ago, Clay (Blackwell) came up with a "better mousetrap"... :) She found teeny-tiny hair clips, and uses those. You clip one of them on the shank of a bobbin, (close to the neck where it's not in the way of your fingers) you want to mark/identify and, hey-presto! it's different from the rest of the herd :) Because the clips come in at least two of a colour, you can "designate" a temporary pair long after it's forgotten who its original mate had been. And because the clips come in quite a variety of colours (mostly hideous, but, who cares? ), you can mark several pairs at once. Clay uses hers to mark the ring pairs in her Binche (much to the dismay and disapprobation of her teacher ), but I'm thinking the clips would be equally useful for marking pairs which travel, in reserve, with the gimp (that's how I'm going to use mine, ayway). They might also be useful for marking the motif workers, especially the ones in hst, where the same thread is supposed to stay throughout... Of course, if you like your bobbins to roll (as in Sluis Duchesse), then the clip "method" is not for you. If you always know what you're doing, then you might not need it. But, from my standpoint, it's *brilliant* :) - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] List courtesies
It's me again -- with a reminder. We have some new people on our list, so I wanted to remind everyone of a couple list courtesies. Please put your name and email at the end of your messages. Some email programs cut off the top of the header so the sender's address cannot be seen. In case a reader wishes to reply to a message, the name and email would be nice to have. The other item is regarding the raffles and give-aways we periodically have. Please send your raffle entry notice directly to the person listed, not to the list. While the raffle item might be lace-related, the entry applications are not. We do, however, want to hear who won! Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon - Happy Thanksgiving to all USA lacemakers!! Oregon Country Lacemakers Arachne Secret Pal Administrator Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RV: [lace] Puerto Rican Travel Pillow
From: Adele Shaak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If anyone on Arachne has used this pillow - do you find the padded front cushion to be any use? Hello Adele, I made this travel Puerto Rican travel pillow myself a few years ago. It looks really cute but, in my opinion, it is not very comfortable to work on it, essentially because the front padded "apron" is too small. I use small bobbins (continentals) but they are longer than the pad. Now I have this pillow on a shelf, with a lace on it, but I only take it to exhibitions. But I made another one, increasing the size of the "apron": I made it about double long, so that the bobbins can rest on it. I find this much more compfotable. I also made the roller a bit bigger, and put it a bit lower, so that the bobbins don't hang so vertical and can rest comfortably on the "apron". > taking your bobbins out of the dents, making your stitch and putting them back No. The dents on the sides are just meant for resting a few bobbins you are not going to use, for example the pair of bobbins of the footside. The bobbins you are working with rest on the "apron", no matter if you work palms down or palms up. I have made my dents more rounded so that the thread doesn't break when taking the bobbins out them. > I would like to make a version of this pillow, but I intend to leave off the front apron - If you leave off the front apron, then you will use this roller pillow as a mini bolster pillow, I suppose. And that's something different. I hope my opinions are useful for you. I can send you a picture of the finished original size pillow and also of the other version, if it can be of any help to you. Greetings from Antje, in Guadalajara, Spain. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Stuart Johnson Bobbins
I buy my blank bobbins from him, to paint on. Ebony and bone. So see which designs you like and they are almost all available on Stewarts bobbins. http://bobbins.lacefairy.com/ Lori the Lacefairy -Original Message- Could someone please give me the name/contact info of someone who sells Stuart Johnson bobbins or can I contact Stuart directly? I know Van Sciver handles them but is there anyone else either in the US or UK? Thanks ... Shirlee - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Starting a Torchon bookmark
Dear Annette, I'm looking at the diagram on page 49 - the first bookmark pattern. The large numbers near dots with circles around them indicate the number of pairs to be hung on these pins. They're temporary pins, which means that after used these pairs to work a stitch, you take the temporary pin out, and pull the threads down into place. The small, dark-print numbers (1 - 9) indicate the order of working the stitches to start. The blue colour indicates work a half stitch - the red indicates worked in whole (or linen) stitch. She also says, on page 48, that the two pairs of bobbins hung on a temporary pin are actually used double - i.e., although you have two pairs, treat them as one. If it was me, I think I'd be tying each pair together after I'd worked the first pin, to remind me to use them double. You'll end up with a double-thread working down each side of the top spider - it'll give a more solid edge to the start of the bookmark. Does this help at all?? Or only confuse you more? (BG) Regards, Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) --- Annette Gill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can anyone shed any light on Geraldine Stott's method of staring a Torchon > bookmark, as described in The Bobbin Lace Manual? The description is a > bit vague, and I've tried a couple of different interpretations, but > they're clearly both wrong. > > If anyone can clarify what she means, I'd be very grateful! > > Regards, > Annette, London > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Puerto Rican Travel Pillow
You can find the directions here: http://lace.lacefairy.com/PillowsBobbins/PuertoRicanPillow.html I was looking at this pillow and I have a question. If anyone on Arachne has used this pillow - do you find the padded front cushion to be any use? It seems to me from the proportions of the pillow that you would use the "palms up" method, taking your bobbins out of the dents, making your stitch and putting them back. Nothing would ever rest on the front apron. In fact, it would be difficult if not impossible to make the bobbins rest on the pad, so what is it for? I am asking because I am quite intrigued by the dents and would like to make a version of this pillow, but I intend to leave off the front apron - unless somebody sees more than I do and can tell me why I ought to put it on ;-) Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Puerto Rican Travel Pillow pattern
You can find the directions here: http://lace.lacefairy.com/PillowsBobbins/PuertoRicanPillow.html On Monday, November 24, 2003, at 03:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was reading an article about a Puerto Rican Travel Pillow at the site below. In it is says to follow the patterns from here. When I click on that link, I don't find the patterns. Does anyone have the patterns for this? Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Starting a Torchon bookmark
Can anyone shed any light on Geraldine Stott's method of staring a Torchon bookmark, as described in The Bobbin Lace Manual? The description is a bit vague, and I've tried a couple of different interpretations, but they're clearly both wrong. If anyone can clarify what she means, I'd be very grateful! Regards, Annette, London Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Bobbins question - Decorating bobbins
Jeri Ames wrote: Dear Lacemakers and Darlene, This is a wonderful fun activity for a local lace guild program - ask your Program Chairman! Great advice Jeri! I'll get my buddy who I talked into doing lace to help. We spent one evening making and spangling paper bobbins for her supply. Our local group is *very* small - and most don't want to be bothered fiddling with bobbins but I think it is fun. I've gotten some really useful advice both off and on the list and I've saved all the messages so I will get it right. Thanks very much to everyone for all the help. Darlene Mulholland www.darlenem.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 21/11/2003 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Unicorn Tapestries-some lace
am 24.11.2003 0:01 Uhr schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I will make the admission that my first design attempt was based on the > Unicorn in Captivity tapestry. I used curly left over thread for the tail and > I > placed it against a background of Virgin Ground, a joke that is wasted on > practically everyone. (Tradition has it that a unicorn can only be captured by > a > virgin.) However, I really messed up the border, so I don't display it. > Having satisfied the requirement of "Lace content" I will add that the > Unicorn Tapestries in the Cloisters were the property of the La Rochefoucauld > family, hanging in the chateau of Verteuil during the time of the Revolution. > They > were looted by peasants who used them to cover vegetables in the field to > protect them from freezing. In the 1850's Count Hippolyte de La Rochefoucauld > and > his wife Countess Elizabeth went about trying to buy back the things that had > disappeared from the chateau. A peasant's wife informed the countess that her > husband had some old "curtains" covering vegetables in the barn that might be > of interest to her. They were the unicorn tapestries. In the 1920's they were > purchased by John D. Rockefeller and hung in his house. Mrs. Rockefeller > entertained the Needle & Bobbin Club in her home and shared them with this > august > lace club. (Perhaps the account is among the N&B Club Bulletins on the > Professor's web site.) When the Cloisters, a pet project of Rockefeller, was > established,clever James Rorimer, then head of the Metropolitan Museum of Art > which > owns the Cloisters, designed in a Tapestry room for them and presented the > design > to Rockefeller to approve. Rockefeller obligingly gave the tapestries to the > Museum. > I am interested to see that there is a La Roche family involved in the French > Unicorn tapestries. I wonder if there is any relationship between the two > families and if they had a special thing for unicorns. > Devon > who has an entire shelf of unicorn tapestry books, all professing to explain > the symbology, but none agreeing. > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Devon I don't know if there is a relationship between the two families La Roche and La Viste but it is sure that there is a relationship between the two series of tapestery. I know both because I saw both twice. This one of the family La Viste was at least till 1841 in the original home le chateau à Boussac, this is south/est of Chateauroux. The tapestery came into Cluny-museum at 1881 but i am not sure if the cloister Cluny at that time still was a museum. For those of you who are interested in the subject here two links which I got from Sof: http://fbecuwe.free.fr/licortap.htm http://www.insecula.com/salle/MS00985.html Greetings from rainy, rainy hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] square bobbins
Hi Bev, I would like to be included in your raffle if possible. I have just started learning bobbin lace and would love to start my own bobbin collection as I am using borrowed ones at the moment. Thanks, Jenni (Whittlesea, Australia) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Neat method of securing the roller on a roller pillow - on ebay
This roller pillow on ebay has a rather neat and simple method of stopping the roller from rotating forwards when working: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3256127851&category=114 Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
