Re: [lace] Demonstrating lace

2015-06-16 Thread Jazmin
Much as I feel every day can be (and often is) knit in public day
(yes, I had my knitting out at the cafe on Saturday for the 'official'
day), my lace pillow with the simple little nine pin edging comes with
me all sorts of places (mostly SCA events, but not entirely!).

Every day can be lace in public day!

Heather -- who is still chuffed to bits that my darling SiL used some
of my knitted lace as part of her wedding dress this past weekend.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Lyn Bailey lynrbai...@supernet.com wrote:

 The real point is, demonstrating lace wherever you are is important, and
 doesn’t take much.  Just bring along some lace where you don’t need total
 quiet in order to concentrate, and make lace in a public place.  It does make
 a difference.

 Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA where we’ve finally turned on the air
 conditioning.  Hot and humid.

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[lace] International Lace Day-purpose of question

2015-06-16 Thread Dmt11home
I was thinking of proposing that a certain museum key their object of the  
day to the International Lace Day, ie. make one of our lacemaker 
paintings, or  even a piece of lace to be object of the day. However, I am not 
convinced  that June 21st is sufficiently well accepted that a third party  
would 
find it compelling since it seems to emanate from one museum, and  that a 
rather obscure one.
In fact, the museum I have in mind is soliciting suggestions for July,  
although I don't think that there is a particular date in July that I could  
associate with lacemaking. Can anyone else think of one? Clearly there is a  
lot of art that could relate to Bastille Day, for instance, so a more obscure 
 day would be better. (An example given for object of the day is a bust of 
Julius  Caesar for March 15-the ides of March.)
But, failing to identify a day in July, I could make a general suggestion  
and perhaps they would take it into account. What day should I propose for a 
 lace theme? Possibly St. Catherine's Day? If so, when is it, and what 
argument  could be made, or documentation provided that would appeal to a 
museum?
Devon

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[lace] Undelivered Arachne Mail / Archives

2015-06-16 Thread Jeriames
Jane is important to our lace community.  A cry of  dismay was buried in a 
message from her today (16th).
 
Is there someone on this list who has the technical capability and  vision 
required to work on this problem that seems to be  proliferating?  How about 
a small committee with representation that  understands the limitations of 
smaller providers of service?  
 
Do we need an additional site for those people who are not receiving  email 
transmitted via AOL and some other companies?  Do we all  need to access 
Arachne archives daily to see what mail we have not received  that may be of 
value?  (That would be a solution, Jane.   Recent mail is listed in date/time 
order.)
 
Maybe it is time to address the issue of the very old server Arachne  uses? 
 Not sure that is the problem.  We might need to raise money,  but it would 
be for a very good cause.
 
Here are three matters of concern to me:
 
1.  Users still are not editing the Subject when they write  about 
something entirely different.  We cannot expect a computer to  automatically do 
this.  Please send a new message when you  drastically change the Subject.
 
2.  Our old correspondence was erased from the archives at some  time in 
the past.  It was of value and contained much good advice from  experts no 
longer with us.  It must not happen again.
 
3.  The archives are very disorganized.  When you search a key  word or 
phrase, you get a very long list of correspondence in random  order.  It is not 
sorted in date/time order.  It would be much  easier for researchers if 
this could be done, so that the most recent mails  would appear first, and the 
oldest would be last.  A researcher could then  decide whether to work from 
present to past - or from past to  present.
 
There are over 1,000 people subscribed to Arachne.  We cannot be  expected 
to remember everyone's individual problems when communicating.  We  need a 
universal fix.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

In a message dated 6/16/2015 4:06:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mous...@live.co.uk writes:
 
I've  noticed a number of emails I haven't received lately - which is why  
I'm
replying to Donna's question using Adele's post - the one from Jacquie  
Tinch
about the International Lace Day didn't come through, and I'm  resigned to 
the
fact that Jeri's posts won't get to me again. It would seem  that 'live' 
(which
comes under the umbrella of Outlook.com) has the same  view as yahoo when it
comes to other service providers, a problem I never  had with Demon! (The
reason we changed was down to total lack of internet  service). I would 
suggest
that if anyone emails me privately and doesn't  get a response, if they are 
in
the Facebook Lacemakers' group, they message  me via Facebook to check I've
received their email.

Jane Partridge  mous...@live.co.uk

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[lace] Beads

2015-06-16 Thread Susan
Hello All!  Not a bead expert, but do have a bit of experience!  Beads have 
gotten very expensive as manufacturers have dreamed up new colors  finishes.  
As an example, AB finish is just that--thin layers of a coating that reflect a 
rainbow of colors over the the base color.  My favorite bead store--Beads Gone 
Wild--has hundreds (thousands?) of varieties.  Eight grams of seed beads can 
range from $3 to $30 depending on the finish.  And it's not just the coating on 
the outside--Silver lined beads being an example.  Thankfully, the staff at 
BGW advised me to avoid silver lined beads for a recent needlepoint project 
because the silver lining tarnishes with age, thereby changing the color 
palette of the completed work over time.  Dichroic glass beads are even more 
expensive, however, to my knowledge, the color properties are baked into the 
glass itself rather than applied.  Color availability is limited.  After 
checking online, I see that Gutermann beads are Czech.  The bea!
 ds I use are Japanese so maybe there's a different process?  That said, I too 
would be disappointed if beads lost their color so easily  I would be tempted 
to contact the manufacturer.  While I'm sorry you've had this problem, I thank 
you for posting about it.  At the very least, it would be wise to test wash 
beads before applying to any wearable lace project.  As to the lace trimmed 
skirts, it's easy to remove the colorless beads by breaking them off.  Use the 
back of a metal spoon to carefully crush each bead individually.  This is a 
technique that is used by seamstresses when altering a beaded dress.  Best 
wishes with your project.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA

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[lace] Lace Day

2015-06-16 Thread Susan
Thank you Robin!  I was scratching my head as I too thought that Lace Day was 
in the fall.  This is NOT to discourage anyone from having a Lace Day, but if 
we could be a bit more collaborative when planning events, we would have a 
greater impact.Especially if we are contemplating this from an 
international perspective!  Perhaps LOKK, OIDFA, IOLI  Lace Guild UK ( any 
other interested parties) could reach a consensus?  Our Charter Chapter held a 
mini event last Saturday, June 13th but we called it a Lace-In.  The scones, 
strawberry jam  clotted cream helped immensely!  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie 
PA USA 

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[lace] Demonstrating lace

2015-06-16 Thread Lyn Bailey
Whether there is a special day for it or not, we should all, especially in the
US, where they still almost universally think bobbin lace is tatting, do lace
in public places as much as possible.  Kathryn Roberts and I demonstrated lace
at the Pennsylvania Guild of Craftsmen Makefest.  The Guild took over a block
of Queen Street, and the demos were there.  Including 3D printing, and T shirt
screening, and glass blowing, and wood carving.   Lacemaking had been
mentioned in the newspaper article, and some people came looking for the lace.
I will be teaching a class in October, and had a haveago pillow with me.  Each
person did a row of linen stitch, 7 pairs total, in #10 colored crochet
cotton.  For my purposes, getting people to try it on a pillow, (2 over 3, 2
over 1 and 4 over 3, 2 over 3) showed them that it wasn’t nearly as
difficult as they thought it was.  I remembered that what kick started me was
doing a haveago pillow at a craft show in Noonan, Georgia, USA.  It certainly
makes a difference in one’s mindset as to whether this is possible.  One
woman remembered my demonstrating lace 3 years ago outside of Central Market
here in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, our local farmer’s market that goes
back to 1730.

The real point is, demonstrating lace wherever you are is important, and
doesn’t take much.  Just bring along some lace where you don’t need total
quiet in order to concentrate, and make lace in a public place.  It does make
a difference.

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA where we’ve finally turned on the air
conditioning.  Hot and humid.

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Re: [lace] International Lace Day-purpose of question

2015-06-16 Thread Lyn Bailey

Dear Devon, et al,

There is a big problem in the US with St. Catherine's Day, because it is 
November 25, which is right at the time of Thanksgiving here, and that means 
everyone is making pies and turkey, or eating the same.



What day should I propose for a
lace theme? Possibly St. Catherine's Day? If so, when is it, and what
argument  could be made, or documentation provided that would appeal to a 
museum?

Devon

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Re: [lace] Undelivered Arachne Mail / Archives

2015-06-16 Thread J Reardon
I don't know if email works differently in the UK, but in the U.S., email 
addresses do not have to be tied to the service provider. There are gmail, 
hotmail, and yahoo which offer free email addresses. One can access them online 
through the website or set up the email program, Outlook, for example, so It 
receives them on a computer or tablet. The best thing about this is you don't 
have to change your email address if you change providers, so people don't lose 
track of you. You could have an email address exclusively for lace 
communications.

Jean Reardon, Mercer PA where I think I hear someone building an ark. (Had 
heavy rains for days now)

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RE: [lace] Undelivered Arachne Mail / Archives

2015-06-16 Thread corinne
The problem is many of us in the UK read our emails through Explorer which
don't show AOL and yahoo emails but sends them straight to spam. I have
tried to changed my laptop to read them but it ignores the changes I want to
make. I now check for any emails in my spam box so that I can read all the
emails. 

Corinne
Brighton East Sussex
UK

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[lace] International Lace Day

2015-06-16 Thread Jeriames
There are Lace Days all the time.  Individual groups sponsor and  promote 
them.  The problem is with the word International.  If you  are celebrating 
in one country, it should be a National Lace Day.  In  some cases, to 
which lacemakers from other nations have been invited.   Publicity can 
acknowledge the guests.  
 
I wrote a proposal yesterday for a solution - to have nations representing  
us come to an agreement at an OIDFA meeting.  We are an educated  
population, and should be able to work this out if everyone bends a  little.
 
Do all (or most) nations have Father's Day on the 3rd Sunday in  June?  If 
so, let us think about how many people it took to come to an  agreement!  
 
The lacemakers of the world are few in number and quite capable of  
organizing their lace pillows, even with many bobbins.  Surely, we can  agree 
to 
celebrate together on one day of the year?
 
Please, let's not make this complicated.  Choose based on best time of  
year both north and south of the Equator, so that no one is expected to  
celebrate in sweltering heat or ice storms, and travel to an event is likely to 
 
be easiest.  Many special occasions share the same day of the  year, so that 
should not be a concern.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

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[lace] Mechlin

2015-06-16 Thread Susan
It seems there are some classes this summer at Kantcentrum.  Susan Hottle, 
Erie, PA USA

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Re: [lace] Undelivered Arachne Mail / Archives

2015-06-16 Thread Malvary Cole
We have known for some time that not everyone receives everything.  I don't 
see messages from Jeri, Devon, others I can't think of at the moment, and 
surprisingly Jacquie Tinch, who as most of you know, is my sister.  However, 
I do see messages from them if they write to me directly.


I know I am not unique, as Jane mentioned earlier.  So... I have come to the 
conclusion that as I can communicate with them individually with no problem, 
that it must be something in the way that the Arachne service is provided. 
I have talked to my service provider and they cannot identify anything awry.


Malvary in a very warm and wet Ottawa, Ontario (looks like no bowling today 
as storms are forecast for later when a cold front moves through)


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Re: [lace] Undelivered Arachne Mail / Archives

2015-06-16 Thread Maureen
Good afternoon

I am very appreciative of all those people who set up and monitor Arachne but I 
too have had problems.  Although I can pick up all (I think) of the messages on 
my iPad, if I use our main computer then a lot of the messages only come 
through with the first line in.  If I was reliant on using the main computer, I 
would have unsubscribed long ago.  With the vast changes in technology maybe it 
is time to consider to upgrade.  I would have no idea as to what and would rely 
on those far more knowledgeable than me to come up with possible suggestions or 
ways to resolve the problems.

Maureen
E Yorkshire where it has been a nice warm day

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Re: [lace] Undelivered Arachne Mail / Archives

2015-06-16 Thread Clay Blackwell
There is already a group on Facebook that includes lots of Arachne members and 
the plus is that pictures are easily uploaded!  The obvious minus is that 
there are probably a lot of Arachne members who are not on Facebook, and would 
have no desire to do join.

Clay

Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 16, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Maureen maur...@roger.karoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Good afternoon
 
 I am very appreciative of all those people who set up and monitor Arachne but 
 I too have had problems.  Although I can pick up all (I think) of the 
 messages on my iPad, if I use our main computer then a lot of the messages 
 only come through with the first line in.  If I was reliant on using the main 
 computer, I would have unsubscribed long ago.  With the vast changes in 
 technology maybe it is time to consider to upgrade.  I would have no idea as 
 to what and would rely on those far more knowledgeable than me to come up 
 with possible suggestions or ways to resolve the problems.
 
 Maureen
 E Yorkshire where it has been a nice warm day
 
 

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Re: [lace] Undelivered Arachne Mail / Archives

2015-06-16 Thread Rosemary Hemmett

Good evening
I use Thunderbird and outlook to receive my emails and have no problem 
receiving emails from aol or yahoo - so maybe it would be a good idea to 
download these programmes and use those to recieve your emails  If the 
programme you use now is obviously not doing what you require find one 
that will.  Thunderbird is free


Happy Lacing

Rosemary Hemmett
in sunny Epsom   Surrey UK

On 16/06/2015 15:53, Malvary Cole wrote:
We have known for some time that not everyone receives everything.  I 
don't see messages from Jeri, Devon, others I can't think of at the 
moment, and surprisingly Jacquie Tinch, who as most of you know, is my 
sister.  However, I do see messages from them if they write to me 
directly.


I know I am not unique, as Jane mentioned earlier.  So... I have come 
to the conclusion that as I can communicate with them individually 
with no problem, that it must be something in the way that the Arachne 
service is provided. I have talked to my service provider and they 
cannot identify anything awry.


Malvary in a very warm and wet Ottawa, Ontario (looks like no bowling 
today as storms are forecast for later when a cold front moves through)


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[lace] Hints and tips

2015-06-16 Thread Sue Harvey
We have a book going at the Norfolk a lacemakers in which anyone can write down 
hints and tips that they have found useful,  and I wondered if we could do 
something like this on Arachne as I have found the book very useful and have 
indeed used a few if the tips since.  I will kick off with a tip that I find 
useful, and that is after working the complete spider remove the centre pin and 
smooth down threads until the hole disappears you will be surprised at the 
difference it makes to the neatness off the spider.

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk
U.K. 


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Re: [lace] International Lace Day-purpose of question

2015-06-16 Thread Jeriames
Dear Devon,
 
There is a large file of information about St. Catherine's Day in Arachne  
archives.  It is also explained in several books written by British lace  
history experts, and in Cattern Cakes and Lace, the cook book written by  
Julia Jones and Barbara Deer that is illustrated so beautifully with lace and  
lace-making equipment.  You can find info about the book in the archives,  
by title.  In 2012, it fell on Thanksgiving Day in America.
 
St. Catherine's Day is always November 25th.  It is easily remembered  as 
being one month before Christmas.  Each year, when my new  appointment 
calendar is prepared with birthdays of friends and other important  dates 
(_Lace@Arachne's_ (mailto:Lace@Arachne's)  anniversary, for  example), I put 
this 
date in it.  It is not so great a chore, and the  calendar is always on the 
kitchen counter or in my purse/traveling  bookcase.  ...Well, that is what I 
call it, because I buy purses with side  pockets that will accommodate books, 
magazines, and note pads on which to jot  thoughts that will evolve into 
memos to _Lace@Arachne_ (mailto:Lace@Arachne) .  Doesn't everyone?
 
Jeri
---
 
In a message dated 6/16/2015 9:13:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dmt11h...@aol.com writes:

I was  thinking of proposing that a certain museum key their object of the 
  
day to the International Lace Day, ie. make one of our lacemaker  
paintings, or  even a piece of lace to be object of the day. However,  I am 
not 
convinced  that June 21st is sufficiently well accepted that  a third party 
 would 
find it compelling since it seems to emanate  from one museum, and  that a 
rather obscure one.
In fact, the  museum I have in mind is soliciting suggestions for July,  
although I  don't think that there is a particular date in July that I 
could   
associate with lacemaking. Can anyone else think of one? Clearly there is  
a  
lot of art that could relate to Bastille Day, for instance, so a  more 
obscure 
day would be better. (An example given for object of the day  is a bust of 
Julius  Caesar for March 15-the ides of March.)
But,  failing to identify a day in July, I could make a general suggestion  
 
and perhaps they would take it into account. What day should I propose for  
a 
lace theme? Possibly St. Catherine's Day? If so, when is it, and what  
argument  could be made, or documentation provided that would appeal  to a 
museum?
Devon

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[lace-chat] Hints and tips

2015-06-16 Thread Sue Harvey
We have a book going at the Norfolk a lacemakers in which anyone can write down 
hints and tips that they have found useful,  and I wondered if we could do 
something like this on Arachne as I have found the book very useful and have 
indeed used a few if the tips since.  I will kick off with a tip that I find 
useful, and that is after working the complete spider remove the centre pin and 
smooth down threads until the hole disappears you will be surprised at the 
difference it makes to the neatness off the spider.

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk
U.K. 


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Re: [lace] Undelivered Arachne Mail / Archives

2015-06-16 Thread Jane

Hi All,

I am not a computer expert, but I know that arachne is a majordomo 
mailing list working on a unix computer.


All 'arachne' does is receive an email and bounce (reflect) it out to 
everyone on a specific list.


Except that in addition, 'arachne' bundles emails into a package for a 
'digest' version.


I receive the digest version and although there is the occasional 
missing message, I've always assumed it is to do with the bundling 
process with a message being too large for one digest and somehow not 
getting in to the next. Those lost messages never belong to any one 
particular sender, but are quite random and rare. Certainly the sources 
of missing messages (Jeri, Devon, Jacquie all appear in the digests).


In other words, the arachne majordomo and server are working fine and if 
anyone on the list is not in receipt of an email it is much more likely 
to be the receiving server / computer / email software. I can only 
suggest that those with problems pick over their email settings with a 
fine-tooth comb.


May be Avital can offer further insight.

Best wishes,
Jane
New Forest.

PS. Nearly forgot! Lace content - I demonstrated lace for a day in 
Christchurch Priory last week for a 'Living Arts' exhibition. Pleased to 
have a steady trickle of interested people watching and asking 
questions. But I'm sorry to say it never occurred to me to wear any 
lace! What a good idea (thanks Jeri). I must think of something suitable 
to make.


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Re: [lace] Undelivered Arachne Mail / Archives

2015-06-16 Thread Adele Shaak
 In other words, the arachne majordomo and server are working fine and if 
 anyone on the list is not in receipt of an email it is much more likely to be 
 the receiving server / computer / email software. I can only suggest that 
 those with problems pick over their email settings with a fine-tooth comb.


Hi Everybody:

Just yesterday I fished a message out of the Spam folder - not on my computer, 
but the Spam folder that my ISP maintains for my account, where they put all of 
the messages the ISP software decides are junk. These messages are not 
downloaded to me and I would never see them if I didn’t go onto the ISP’s 
webmail program to see what they've thrown into that folder. 

The message was a perfectly innocent reply to an ongoing thread (the one about 
the International Lace Day). I got all the other messages in the thread, and I 
get other messages that sender posts to Arachne. But on that day at that time 
something about that message triggered my ISP’s software to decide it was junk 
and withhold it from me. Nothing to do with anything going wrong - just a 
difference of opinion between me and the ISP’s software.

By the way, I had to set up that Spam folder myself. The ISP originally had my 
account set up so they would just delete the messages the software thought were 
Spam, and not put them in a folder for me. It wasn’t until I complained to them 
because I wasn’t getting some very important messages, that I found out what 
they were doing on my behalf, and changed my account settings so the messages 
would be saved for me to check over.

So, I second the notion that people pick over their email settings - and maybe 
call their ISP to find out if something similar is happening.

Hope this helps.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Hints and tips

2015-06-16 Thread Clay Blackwell
I think this is a wonderful idea!  How I wish Our Arachne group was 
sophisticated enough to save all of these tips!  Maybe someone in the group 
could do this?

Clay

Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Sue Harvey 2harv...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 
 We have a book going at the Norfolk a lacemakers in which anyone can write 
 down hints and tips that they have found useful,  and I wondered if we could 
 do something like this on Arachne as I have found the book very useful and 
 have indeed used a few if the tips since.  I will kick off with a tip that I 
 find useful, and that is after working the complete spider remove the centre 
 pin and smooth down threads until the hole disappears you will be surprised 
 at the difference it makes to the neatness off the spider.
 
 Sue M Harvey
 Norfolk
 U.K. 
 
 
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Re: [lace] Hints and tips

2015-06-16 Thread Clay Blackwell
I think this is a wonderful idea!  How I wish Our Arachne group was 
sophisticated enough to save all of these tips!  Maybe someone in the group 
could do this?

Clay

Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Sue Harvey 2harv...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 
 We have a book going at the Norfolk a lacemakers in which anyone can write 
 down hints and tips that they have found useful,  and I wondered if we could 
 do something like this on Arachne as I have found the book very useful and 
 have indeed used a few if the tips since.  I will kick off with a tip that I 
 find useful, and that is after working the complete spider remove the centre 
 pin and smooth down threads until the hole disappears you will be surprised 
 at the difference it makes to the neatness off the spider.
 
 Sue M Harvey
 Norfolk
 U.K. 
 
 
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Re: [lace] International Lace Day 21 June 2015 history on facebook

2015-06-16 Thread Clay Blackwell
I hate to throw a wet blanket on this, because I love nothing more than lacing 
in public.  But 21 June is Father's Day in the U.S., and the two celebrations 
just do not mesh well!  I will make lace like a mad-woman (the end if the 
project is near!) until the end of the week, but the weekend belongs to himself!

Clay

Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA, USA


 On Jun 16, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Jenny Brandis je...@brandis.com.au wrote:
 
 I first saw this idea on 24th May 2015 on the facebook group Bobbin Lace
 Makers.
 
 The message from Juanita de Jonge from Driewegen, Zeeland, Netherlands
 included a picture of a map with a red pin in it and the words
 
 “Do you see the red pin? That's me, a lace maker from the Netherlands. On
 Sunday the 21th of June, I'm going to sit outside with my bobbin lace
 pillow. In our front yard, along the public road where regularly cyclists
 are passing by. I want to show passers-by that the lace making is not
 something of the past. No, it is a skill that still fanatically is
 practiced. Will you join me?
 

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Re: [lace] Undelivered Arachne Mail / Archives

2015-06-16 Thread Amanda Babcock Furrow
Hi!  It's your friendly local (...ok, Philadelphia-based) lace-making 
systems administrator.  I think I can tell you what's going wrong.

Did the disappearing emails problem begin about a year ago?  That's when 
first Yahoo, then AOL, made changes which rendered their users unable to 
reach everyone on mailing lists.

Basically, users of mailing lists are such a tiny and shrinking part of 
the internet that in implementing new anti-spam measures, Yahoo and AOL 
did not even take mailing lists into consideration (ok, Yahoo may also 
have had the ulterior motive of wanting people to only use Yahoo groups).  
The resulting error only affects non-digest readers of mailing lists.  
It does not affect direct emails from AOL and Yahoo senders *or* digests 
containing AOL and Yahoo senders - it only affects messages delivered 
through a mailing list that originated from AOL, Yahoo, or anyone else
who has implemented the same DMARC policy.

In April 2014, Yahoo, followed by AOL, set a DMARC policy to tell the
other machines on the internet only accept @yahoo.com/@aol.com emails
*directly from* yahoo.com/aol.com servers!  Accept no substitutes!  Their
intent was to prevent spoofed spam emails that purported to come from 
them, but were really originating elsewhere.

Unfortunately, when you use a mailing list (any mailing list), email
*from you* appears to come *via the mailing list's servers*, not via
your own provider's servers.  So from that point onward, all mail to
mailing lists from yahoo.com users and aol.com users was in violation
of the new DMARC policy (I could put a footnote here about mailing 
lists *run* by yahoo/AOL being an exception, but it's not really
relevant).

The reason why many of us can still see the emails from our yahoo.com
and aol.com lacemakers is simply that we are using mail providers
who are ignoring DMARC policies.  If my email provider paid attention 
to the policies and did as AOL and Yahoo ask, I wouldn't be seeing
Jeri and Devon's emails to the list either.

So, it's not as simple as an error at the originating end, in the 
middle, or at the receiving end.  For this error to occur, all three
pieces have to participate!  The originating end has to have a 
draconian DMARC policy - the receiving end has to adhere to it -
and the middle, the mailing list, just has to act as mailing lists
have always acted, passing the mail along through its own servers
with the sender's address intact.  With those three conditions met,
the mail will be rejected (lost entirely, not just sent to spam).

Since there are three pieces, there are three solutions.  One, send
emails from a mail provider without a draconian DMARC policy, and 
everyone will get your email (barring other issues).  Two, read your
email from a mail provider that ignores DMARC policies, and you will
be able to read everyone's messages... at least until your provider
joins the modern era.  Or three, adjust the mailing list software so 
that it no longer passes messages unchanged (this is why the digest 
option works!), making the DMARC policy irrelevant.  In this 
solution, emails would look to the other mail servers as if they
originated from the list, rather than from the person who sent the
email, and the DMARC policy would not be triggered.

If the list admin wants to pursue option three, I'm happy to offer
further assistance.

Amanda in Philly, PA, US

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:53:25AM -0400, Malvary Cole wrote:
 We have known for some time that not everyone receives everything.  I don't
 see messages from Jeri, Devon, others I can't think of at the moment, and
 surprisingly Jacquie Tinch, who as most of you know, is my sister.  However,
 I do see messages from them if they write to me directly.
 
 I know I am not unique, as Jane mentioned earlier.  So... I have come to the
 conclusion that as I can communicate with them individually with no problem,
 that it must be something in the way that the Arachne service is provided. I
 have talked to my service provider and they cannot identify anything awry.
 
 Malvary in a very warm and wet Ottawa, Ontario (looks like no bowling today
 as storms are forecast for later when a cold front moves through)
 
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Re: [lace] Help - Embroidered Jacket.

2015-06-16 Thread Bev Walker
Hello Liz and everyone

Could it have been the Plimoth Jacket?
http://www.plimoth.org/jacket

It came to mind, when reading your description.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Elizabeth Ligeti lizl...@bigpond.com
wrote:

 Can anyone please help me? - Recently I saw a web site showing a
 reproduction embroidered jacket, which was made in England copied from one
 in a museum - possibly the VA.


Hope this helps.
-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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[lace] Help - Embroidered Jacket.

2015-06-16 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
Can anyone please help me? - Recently I saw a web site showing a
reproduction embroidered jacket, which was made in England copied from one
in a museum - possibly the VA.

I cannot find the link anywhere, - and nor can I find my 'bookmark' for it!
Grrr! 
I promised to share the link with a friend who does some amazing handwork, -
and now I can't find where to direct her to!!  I know I am not very good at
doing searches, though.
I have just checked out the Royal School of Needlework, but can't find it
there either!


The site showed the various stages in making the jacket, and some of the
embroiderers they gave work to. It was an amazing project.

Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz.
lizl...@bigpond.com

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[lace] missing messages

2015-06-16 Thread Regina Haring
I don't even like to think of how many messages from Jeri or Devon or
others I have missed because they went to my Spam folder and I neglected to
check there.

Gmail says in answer to the question why is this in Spam that if a name
is in my contact list, then the message will always go through.  Well, not
so - Jeri and Devon are in my contact list, and while a personal message
would arrive with no problem, one from Arachne never does. They do come
through to my phone.

I wrote Gmail about this but don't hold out much hope that I'll get a reply.

Also this - maybe this involves a setting, but when I use reply in gmail
I do not see the message I am replying to and so do not have the
opportunity to shorten it - I don't even see a subject line that I could
change if necessary.

Regina Haring
Nanuet, NY

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[lace] ] Prickings

2015-06-16 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
Leonard, a now sadly gone old lacemaker who learned the craft in Northern
England many, many years ago, was taught to just draw out the pattern with
lines, and then put up the pins where necessary as she worked!
I saw her patterns  and also her work, - and it was just as good as those of
us who place pins in dots!!!

Certainly move the pin holes if necessary to get the lace more even, and
more to your own liking.   I am a bit of a rebel in this - I use the pattern
and dots as Guide lines, and if I feel a pin hole needs to be moved a
fraction - then I move it!!

Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz.
lizl...@bigpond.com

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RE: [lace] International Lace Day 21 June 2015 history on facebook

2015-06-16 Thread Jenny Brandis
There is no obligation to actively participate Clay, just send kind lace 
thoughts my way on Sunday :-) 

Hugs
Jenny B - who is starting to dread next week as I have knee replacement surgery 
booked *shudder*

-Original Message-
From: Clay Blackwell [mailto:clayblackw...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:35 AM
To: Jenny Brandis
Cc: Arachne reply
Subject: Re: [lace] International Lace Day 21 June 2015 history on facebook

I hate to throw a wet blanket on this, because I love nothing more than lacing 
in public.  But 21 June is Father's Day in the U.S., and the two celebrations 
just do not mesh well!  I will make lace like a mad-woman (the end if the 
project is near!) until the end of the week, but the weekend belongs to himself!

Clay

Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA, USA


 On Jun 16, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Jenny Brandis je...@brandis.com.au wrote:
 
 I first saw this idea on 24th May 2015 on the facebook group Bobbin 
 Lace Makers.
 
 The message from Juanita de Jonge from Driewegen, Zeeland, Netherlands 
 included a picture of a map with a red pin in it and the words
 
 “Do you see the red pin? That's me, a lace maker from the Netherlands. 
 On Sunday the 21th of June, I'm going to sit outside with my bobbin 
 lace pillow. In our front yard, along the public road where regularly 
 cyclists are passing by. I want to show passers-by that the lace 
 making is not something of the past. No, it is a skill that still 
 fanatically is practiced. Will you join me?
 


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Re: [lace] Undelivered Arachne Mail / Archives

2015-06-16 Thread Tregellas Family
On 17-Jun-15 1:49 PM, Amanda Babcock Furrow wrote:

Thank you Amanda for a very detailed run down on the e-mail problems 
some of us have.

snip...

The reason why many of us can still see the emails from our yahoo.com
and aol.com lacemakers is simply that we are using mail providers
who are ignoring DMARC policies.  If my email provider paid attention
to the policies and did as AOL and Yahoo ask, I wouldn't be seeing
Jeri and Devon's emails to the list either.
...snip


My ISP reports to me twice a week and it always shows that Jeri and Pene Piip's 
e-mails are spam.  However due to some unknown signal the ISP seems to be able 
to 'allow' e-mails from these two friends to pass to me.  I've never bothered 
to find out why  -  I just let sleeping dogs lie.  :-)

Cheers
Shirley T.  -  Adelaide, South Australia where winter is gratefully bringing us 
our much needed rain.  Temps are a bit cool though  Max 15C today.

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[lace] Embroidered jacket.

2015-06-16 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
Yes!! Many Thanks everyone - that is it. The Plimoth Jacket.  I have been
trying to remember it for days. Why didn't I think of asking this Oracle
before thoday?!

Very many Apologies to USA - I quite thought it was a UK piece!

Isn't it magnificent?  I have carefully bookmarked it now! 

Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz.
lizl...@bigpond.com

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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Hints and tips

2015-06-16 Thread Bev Walker
Hi Clay and everyone

How about making use of the archive search, via the subject line, Hints
and Tips ? that way the topic is searchable in the mail-archive/lace. The
first few lines of a message appear in the search also, below the link to
the respective message. Using Sue Harvey's example, the message subject
line would be Hints and Tips, and the first sentence of her message could
mention Spiders, and technique for neatness (or such).

Or, refine it even in the subject line as Hints and Tips Spiders?
Just a thought

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net
wrote:

 I think this is a wonderful idea!  How I wish Our Arachne group was
 sophisticated enough to save all of these tips!  Maybe someone in the group
 could do this?


-- 
Bev in windy/sunny Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island,
west coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] Hints and tips

2015-06-16 Thread Bev Walker
Hi Clay and everyone

How about making use of the archive search, via the subject line, Hints
and Tips ? that way the topic is searchable in the mail-archive/lace. The
first few lines of a message appear in the search also, below the link to
the respective message. Using Sue Harvey's example, the message subject
line would be Hints and Tips, and the first sentence of her message could
mention Spiders, and technique for neatness (or such).

Or, refine it even in the subject line as Hints and Tips Spiders?
Just a thought

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net
wrote:

 I think this is a wonderful idea!  How I wish Our Arachne group was
 sophisticated enough to save all of these tips!  Maybe someone in the group
 could do this?


-- 
Bev in windy/sunny Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island,
west coast of Canada

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[lace] International Lace Day 21 June 2015 history on facebook

2015-06-16 Thread Jenny Brandis
I first saw this idea on 24th May 2015 on the facebook group Bobbin Lace
Makers.




The message from Juanita de Jonge from Driewegen, Zeeland, Netherlands
included a picture of a map with a red pin in it and the words


“Do you see the red pin? That's me, a lace maker from the Netherlands. On
Sunday the 21th of June, I'm going to sit outside with my bobbin lace
pillow. In our front yard, along the public road where regularly cyclists
are passing by. I want to show passers-by that the lace making is not
something of the past. No, it is a skill that still fanatically is
practiced. Will you join me?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/InternationalLaceDay/”



On the 12th June 2015 Juanita followed this up with an updated map pic and
the words

“Update on the International Lace Day 2015.
The map of the world is already covered with more red pins. There are lace
makers from the USA, UK, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland,
Slovenia, Estonia, Malta, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.

Please join us on the International Lace Day on the 21th of June. All you
need is your bobbin pillow and lace making materials, chair, maybe a small
table, something to eat and drink, a good mood and preferable good weather.
Select a public place, this could be your own garden, a café or park.

You don’t have to do this on your own. Invite some lace making friends to
share this moment. You could join for one hour, a few hours or half a day.
Let’s unite and show that lace making is still a lively craft.

Join our group at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/InternationalLaceDay/

Please share this message with other lace makers from all over the world.“

There is a map that lacemakers can add their own pin to indicate that they
will be joining in on the day. It is at
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1132701



I hope this clarifies things for those with questions about the day. I will
be taking my travel pillow to the Armadale shopping centre café Jamaica Blue
http://www.armadaleshoppingcity.com.au/store-directory/jamaica-blue  – you
are welcome to join me in person or online.



Regards

Jenny Brandis



je...@brandis.com.au mailto:je...@brandis.com.au

www.brandis.com.au http://www.brandis.com.au/   online since 1995



I can say to future generations that I was born BEFORE the Internet – my
parents generation invented it!!

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[lace] Prickings

2015-06-16 Thread Leonard Bazar
Dear All
One further thought on prickings: I am working on/working out a fairly complex
Beds pattern, and am at present on version 3.  I have pricked out, from the
paper draft, the pinholes for the pattern features and trails, and foot and
headside, but on Mrs Underwood's advice, just marked where the veins in the
leaf and plaits would go, pricking the holes for the veins and picots on the
plaits, as needed and where needed.  This allows some scope for moving plaits
slightly to start or finish in a more convenient place, and again, how a leaf
is attacked will affect where the vein's pinholes go; there she said to treat
an old pricking's pinholes as suggestions, not orders.  This works best, I
should think, on traditional card with permanent ink markings and no covering
film.  Using permanent ink means a bottle of white typing correction fluid
finds a place in my work box...
I think this is similar to the Honiton approach, where of course thick card
pre-pricked is traditional, to allow the use of a straight needlepin for
sewings: the  fillings are often pricked in on the pillow when the
surrounding work is completed, to allow the holes to be shifted slightly for
ease of working.
I think it depends on whether you make lace like a train, following the
tracks, a trolley bus, with some scope for deviation, or a car, with the
freedom of the road!  I sometimes imitate the (UK, not Dutch) bicycle -
ignore the one way street signs, traffic lights, and use the pavements if it
suits!

leonard...@yahoo.com, who doesn't ride a bike, but has some unpleasant close
encounters with them on the pavements of London

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[lace] RE: battenberg tape

2015-06-16 Thread Jane Partridge
When I was working on the Castle class locomotive and tender 'picture' I made
for my City  Guilds, using Branscombe techniques (Branscombe Point is a Devon
tape lace (as opposed to braid lace, which is the name we use for bobbin made
laces of the ilk) similar to Battenberg but uses a greater range of filling
stitches to attempt to resemble Honiton lace) I had to make most of the tape
myself. This was because I wanted to work in colour, and so whereas I needed
green, silver, black, gold and red, could only buy black, white or ecru
Branscombe tape; and all attempts at dying the tape failed to give a
satisfactory result. Using the same thread to make the tape as I was going to
use for the needlelace fillings meant there was no difference in thickness of
the two areas. I did buy a card of black tape (from Tom in Belgium, who some
may remember). The rest was made in the lengths I needed it - not made in one
length and cut up afterwards.
I used Madeira Tanne 30 (now replaced by Cotona 30), with four passive pairs
and three workers (so as to keep a straight edge on both sides).
Another difference between Branscombe and Battenberg is that the tapes are
slightly different - Battenberg has a heavier gathering thread on each side
(similar to a coarse thread or gimp) which is used to pull the tape into
shape; Branscombe tape is gathered by using a needle and finer thread to whip
(overcast) along the inner curved edges so holding them in shape. The tape
then loses all its wrinkles like magic when it is dampened and pressed.
I've noticed a number of emails I haven't received lately - which is why I'm
replying to Donna's question using Adele's post - the one from Jacquie Tinch
about the International Lace Day didn't come through, and I'm resigned to the
fact that Jeri's posts won't get to me again. It would seem that 'live' (which
comes under the umbrella of Outlook.com) has the same view as yahoo when it
comes to other service providers, a problem I never had with Demon! (The
reason we changed was down to total lack of internet service). I would suggest
that if anyone emails me privately and doesn't get a response, if they are in
the Facebook Lacemakers' group, they message me via Facebook to check I've
received their email.

Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk

 Subject: Re: [lace] [LACE] battenberg tape
 From: ash...@shaw.ca
 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 17:12:35 -0700

 You could, very easily.


  On Jun 15, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Donna Fousek ibal...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Has anyone made their own battenberg tape? Been think of trying it. Or
  would it be better to buy pre made.
 

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Re: [lace] Prickings

2015-06-16 Thread The Lace Bee
Sorry not to snip but need both posts to explain my answer. 

When I make a mistake on the lines on my pricking, I very, very gently scratch 
the line out and the rub the offending place down with the wooden end of my 
bulbous pricker. After I've made my first piece of lace with the pricking you 
wouldn't know the was a correction. 

Correction fluid can flake do I avoid it but not to say it's not right for 
others. 

L

Kind Regards,

Liz Baker

 On 16 Jun 2015, at 09:04, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com 
 wrote:
 
 Can you still get that now?
 
 If not a small tube of acrylic paint could be substituted, but choose an
 opaque colour, not a transparent one!  Yellow ochre is opaque as is titanium
 white.
 
 Brenda
 On 16 Jun 2015, at 08:33, Leonard Bazar leonard...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Using permanent ink means a bottle of white typing correction fluid
 finds a place in my work box...
 
 Brenda in Allhallows
 paternos...@appleshack.com
 www.brendapaternoster.co.uk
 
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Re: [lace] Prickings

2015-06-16 Thread Brenda Paternoster
Can you still get that now?

If not a small tube of acrylic paint could be substituted, but choose an
opaque colour, not a transparent one!  Yellow ochre is opaque as is titanium
white.

Brenda
 On 16 Jun 2015, at 08:33, Leonard Bazar leonard...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Using permanent ink means a bottle of white typing correction fluid
 finds a place in my work box...

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
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Re: [lace] Question about beads

2015-06-16 Thread AGlez
I imagine that you mean that the thread can break while working with it...
Or can it also happen that it breaks after you have made the lace, once you
are using it?

I had never thought of this before until Pene asked. It has never happened
to me... Do you think it can depend on the type of thread you use? Some are
more resistant than others...

Best wishes from a curious lacemaker from Spain
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Re: [lace] Museum Kantfabriek in Horst-Int. Lace Day

2015-06-16 Thread Maria Greil
I never heard of a 'Lace Day' but a 'World Wide Knit in Public' in Madrid
(Spain) which took place last Saturday.
The Costume Museum participated (
http://museodeltraje.mcu.es/index.jsp?id=751; ) as it did in the past and
there we were representing bobbin lace on Saturday evening. Unfortunately I
did not take any pictures of the event because we were so busy showing
people how to cross and turn threads that we missed it.
In the end there were two or three young women interested in knowing more
and now they will start to attend classes to go on learning how to make
bobbin lace.
For us it turned out to be a great success and the Museum wants us to
continue with demonstrations and workshops in the near future.

Maria Greil
Spain





2015-06-15 20:06 GMT+02:00 dmt11h...@aol.com:

 I have gone to the website both Sue and Carolina sent, the Museum
 Kantfabriek in Horst. Has anyone visited this museum? It looks, from the
 website,
 as though the emphasis is on machine made lace. There is a video that  has
 machines working, but also what appears to be some kind of lace day with
 lacemakers.
 I am wondering how widespread the celebration of this International Lace
 Day is, and how well known it is among hand lacemakers. Are all the Dutch
 lacemakers participating in this?
 Also, is it every year on June 21, or is it the fourth Sunday in June or
 some other formula?
 Devon

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Re: [lace] Question about beads

2015-06-16 Thread Kathleen Harris
It would certainly happen both while you were making the lace and later, when 
it was being used, if you used sharp bugle beads. With the metal ones, I am not 
so sure. It would probably be fine in the making, but wear through the thread 
later. I don't think it would matter what thread you used - linen and silk 
would resist a little longer than cotton, but would break in the end, I think

Kathleen
In sunny Berkshire, UK, where we could do with some rain for the garden!

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 On 16 Jun 2015, at 10:11, AGlez antje.gonza...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I imagine that you mean that the thread can break while working with it...
 Or can it also happen that it breaks after you have made the lace, once you
 are using it?
 
 I had never thought of this before until Pene asked. It has never happened
 to me... Do you think it can depend on the type of thread you use? Some are
 more resistant than others...
 
 Best wishes from a curious lacemaker from Spain
 --
 
 Antje González
 www.vueltaycruz.es
 
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[lace] (Lace) beads in lace

2015-06-16 Thread Daphne Martin
Hello
I use quite a lot of seed beads in my lace. I do find the Guatemann seed beads 
do lose their colour when washed. I made two lots of edgings for skirts. The 
lace and beads looked lovely when done. Then I washed them and the beads went 
clear. Has anyone else found this??

Daphne Martin Norwich UK.

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Re: [lace] (Lace) beads in lace

2015-06-16 Thread Sue Duckles
I do know that tatters have had this as a problem.  Quite what the solution is 
though I don't know... short of Don't Wash it!!

Sue in East yorkshire, UK

On 16 Jun 2015, at 12:32, Daphne Martin wrote:

 Hello
 I use quite a lot of seed beads in my lace. I do find the Guatemann seed 
 beads do lose their colour when washed. I made two lots of edgings for 
 skirts. The lace and beads looked lovely when done. Then I washed them and 
 the beads went clear. Has anyone else found this??
 
 Daphne Martin Norwich UK.

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[lace] 21h of July International Lace Day

2015-06-16 Thread Gon Homburg
I don’t know where this idea was developed and by whom. The first time I read 
about it, it was mentioned on Facebook. My first thought was, that this idea 
came from an English speaking country and the Museum De Kantfabriek followed. 
It was on Facebook for the first time last week. Originally an International 
Lace event was planned in Horst on the 4th of July, but it was already 
cancelled in November last year. So now it is on the 21 of June, when also in 
Holland Father’s day is celebrated. On the website of the Kantfabriek the day 
is mentioned but also here you get the idea that they follow an idea from 
elsewhere. I don’t think any of the lace organizations was involved in this.

Best regards and happy lacing on the 21st or on every other day you are making 
lace.


Gon Homburg, Amsterdam, The Netherlands

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