[lace]

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo hallo to all

for your information
TEXTURE the new lace and flax museum in Kortrijk

is having a STUNNING artshow
14 july till 11 November 2018

Biolace by Carole Collet

http://thisisalive.com/biolace/

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[lace] Blonde lace festival today and tomorow

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo hallo
for all those of intrest
do not forget this please

in France  Caen Normandie
from Friday 11 may till Saturday 12 may
salon dentelle et arts du fil
all about Blonde Lace


http://blondecaen.chez-alice.fr/salon.htm#X

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Re: [lace] 2018 OIDFA Congress in Bruges cancelled

[francis . busschaert]

hallo if you say

i quote:
More posts will follow
including an Open Letter to OIDFA recommending changes in the organization.


from whom to whom is that letter then exactly?
form oidfa towards the belgium delegation 

i am curious now

kind regards


francis

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[lace] answers

[francis . busschaert]

my answers to the list 

1 c 
2 b & c depending on the mood 

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[lace] ?

[francis . busschaert]

hi to all 

1 c 

2 b & C 

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Re: [lace] Threads

[Francis Busschaert]

hoi susan
creuse is not a place
it is a way to produce a thread
it is fully named/called
"broche creuse"
in english "hollow spindle"

it is perfectly for knitting and fat torchon laces
it is not good not bad
there is for the moment much much more exiting yarn on the markets even in the 
USA

kind regards

francis


> Op 3-sep.-2015, om 02:42 heeft Susan  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
> Hello All!  As most of you know, I never (well almost never!) met a thread I 
> didn't like!  Today, I hit the jackpot with an order that brought WonderFil 
> Eleganza, Fonty & Thread Gatherers Oriental Linen to my mailbox.  If anyone 
> has any experience with these threads, would you please post your comments?  
> In the meantime, I will share what (little) I know.  The Eleganza is 100% 
> Giza 88 cotton & the colors are beyond fabulous!  Who hasn't wished for perle 
> 8 that is outside the box?!  Bookmarks may never be the same with this 
> thread.  Fonty by Calin is pretty much a mystery except that it is 2ply linen 
> & "made in Creuse".  The 190m spool is 25 grams & knitting gauge is listed as 
> 2-2.5.  No size listed.  The Oriental Linen is 2ply, 52% silk & 48% linen.  
> It's knubby & "naturally" variegated because the fibers take the dye 
> differently.  It's a bonanza that I'm eager to test!  WonderFil Eleganza is 
> listed in Addendum 5, but I didn't find the others.  If someone in France can 
> she!
 d !
> some light on the linen, that would be great.  Would love to hear some 
> reviews, pro or con.  Many thanks.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
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Re: [lace] removing red dye or set the color

[Francis Busschaert]

no offense given
but
it looks more to witchcraft recepeice
there is a very good reason underwear is mostly in washable colors
we are not made out of sugar and honey……..

goo new year to all

francis




Op 28-dec.-2011, om 13:41 heeft B Krbechek het volgende geschreven:

 I forgot where I found this (a long time ago) but it has helped me:
 
 To Set Colors
 
 Red, Pink, Black 1 cup salt - 2 gal. water
 
 Yellow, Tan, Brown   1 cup vinegar - 2 gal. water
 
 Blue, Green, Purple   1 ozl. alum - 1 gal. water
 
 Soak for 2 hours
 
 Blanche in Minneapolis
 
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[lace-chat] we will be at the National Christmas lace-makers fair

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all
we will be attending the National Christmas Lacemakers Fair this year
and we will be there having an astonishing and overwhelming display
of rare to find and special threads

we will be having a special range of textile metals
specially conceived for using in textile (bobbin-lace, weaving, 
knitting,...)
it has a very very low metal-fatigue point and makes it uttermost 
adequate for usable textiles


and of course our incredible range of 150deniers floss silks
in 1 plys and in 6 plys

spread the word,
we are again coming to the UK

if anyone needs some special materials from us
please email in private to i...@bart-francis.be
so we can bring it to you at the event

Bart  Francis

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[lace] NORMAL lace magazine

[Francis Busschaert]

for all i care:
it is typical anglosakish for the privacy matters
or to slack or to harsh
never in the middle of it

for givng you an example
it is also that if we call to the UK
the one answering the telephone will not say his or her name but
rimram like a well reheasrt lyrick their own telephone nr
i always found it so I hide myself  behind my privecy

there must be privacy but do not exagorate in it
you can hardly see this at all as in intrusion on ones privecy
and for that matter i am not astonnished to see that it are mostly 
anglosak people whom are making a husss out of it


would it not be more liky to be happy to be part of a greater whole were 
you realy get informed of thinghs rather then to look whom or what is 
behind the strange
rather NORMAL lace magazine whom has the intention to reach out to ALL 
lace related people.

be happy you got a free copy of somethingh you might be intrested in
afterall it is not like you got a brochure of the aldi or lidl

soit
c'est la vie..

i hope i did not used to strong words but as you all know
my english is quite limited in refeined words
so excuse me if anybody feels i uesed to strong words
it is not the intention but only to make it clear

do not forget this
the NORMAL magazine is listed in:

UNITED NATIONS EDUCATIONAL, SCIENTIFIC AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATION about a 
Provisional list of non-governmental organizations and non-profit-making 
institutions


one more not to thuis all
i aslo would have oneted this in english but they get a lot of 
subventions grants from the Flemish governemetn and so it needed to be 
in dutch



francis

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[lace] IOLI portland

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all
we will be present at the PORTLAND IOLI lace convention
we will bring whit us quite an extended range of special threads
threads for lace , knitting, embroidery, tatting , and all you can dream 
of textielworks

but still  we do not bring all to the Big USA
so if anybody wants anythingh special at the event in portland.(i 
hate to disapoint people)

go to the website
palce an order and in the part were you can mention any comment you just 
put in  delivery at the IOLI portland convention
if you have trouble on the website (this website is made for fast 
internet connection) you can just email to us


i...@bart-francis.be

i know it is not very suited to put this in here but how could i ever 
reach all of you?

in here we are just one mail from each other away
so please forgive me Avital

i do have some other request
if you have made any lace, knitting, embroidery,..what ever in our 
products please feel free to bring them to the lace convention

we are always extremly intrested in what you did whit the threads

francis

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[lace-chat] IOLI portland

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all
we will be present at the PORTLAND IOLI lace convention
we will bring whit us quite an extended range of special threads
threads for lace , knitting, embroidery, tatting , and all you can dream 
of textielworks

but still  we do not bring all to the Big USA
so if anybody wants anythingh special at the event in portland.(i 
hate to disapoint people)

go to the website
palce an order and in the part were you can mention any comment you just 
put in  delivery at the IOLI portland convention
if you have trouble on the website (this website is made for fast 
internet connection) you can just email to us


i...@bart-francis.be

i know it is not very suited to put this in here but how could i ever 
reach all of you?

in here we are just one mail from each other away
so please forgive me Avital

i do have some other request
if you have made any lace, knitting, embroidery,..what ever in our 
products please feel free to bring them to the lace convention

we are always extremly intrested in what you did whit the threads

francis

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[lace] email problems

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all
i see here  panic reactions of people seeking to contact us
well several i have not had any email from
we do have firewalls whom do filter out several types of emails
and unfortunatly for those using hotmails, yahoo and other kinds of 
rubish  email systems

that are the ones whom are mostly filtered out
sorry for that but also not sorry  i am tiered of the lottery emails 
, the viagra emails , the enlargements of this or other parts of the 
body, the Kenian Zimbabwe  milions etc etc etc etc

if that is the cost of having emails lost so be it

also we must apologise to otherts whom sended emails and whom had no reply
we had a upgrade of the system whom did so good job that there was 
virtualy noting left on our computer

and because i am completly digitalblond..we c'est la vie
lukily i m a ginious on other levels.

besides this please do not forget that we were gone to Barcelona  and to 
Tonder all in 2 weeks time


so for al those wanting to have answers to their questions
please reemail all and we will begin whit a tabula rasa

many many kind regards


francis

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[lace-chat] email problems

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all
i see here  panic reactions of people seeking to contact us
well several i have not had any email from
we do have firewalls whom do filter out several types of emails
and unfortunatly for those using hotmails, yahoo and other kinds of 
rubish  email systems

that are the ones whom are mostly filtered out
sorry for that but also not sorry  i am tiered of the lottery emails 
, the viagra emails , the enlargements of this or other parts of the 
body, the Kenian Zimbabwe  milions etc etc etc etc

if that is the cost of having emails lost so be it

also we must apologise to otherts whom sended emails and whom had no reply
we had a upgrade of the system whom did so good job that there was 
virtualy noting left on our computer

and because i am completly digitalblond..we c'est la vie
lukily i m a ginious on other levels.

besides this please do not forget that we were gone to Barcelona  and to 
Tonder all in 2 weeks time


so for al those wanting to have answers to their questions
please reemail all and we will begin whit a tabula rasa

many many kind regards


francis

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[lace] Shredding threads

[Francis Busschaert]

polycotton def the best for this
count  18 threads per cm and upwards
or you can just use innerlining for skirts
it is qiute gloss but as smooth as the  of a 

but you do not realy need to tear downyour pillows now
it can be simply overcome whit leather
all of you know Anni Noben Sleghers?
what does she uses for not shreedding threads?
have a look at pictures of her working again
she cuts out a part of a leather sheet in the form of a kidney to put on 
her pilllow
it covers all the part of the pillow were the threads would be able to 
make contact to the cloth

so the threads will never ever shred on the surface
the leather is highpolllished

francis

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[lace] this is a comunication over the KANTCENTRUM

[Francis Busschaert]

i just treceived this information of the kantcentrum


Chers Fans de dentelle,

Depuis quelques mois, le Centre de la Dentelle de Bruges (Kantcentrum) 
est géré par un nouveau Bureau de direction. Cette nouvelle direction a 
pu conclure un accord avec le conseil municipal de la ville de Bruges et 
les propriétaires des locaux (la famille De Limburg Stirum). Il y a 
quelques mois encore, cela s’annonçait très mal pour l’ASBL.


Mais un groupe de brugeois décidèrent que le Kantcentrum ne devait pas 
disparaître. Ils ont été rapidement rejoints par un large groupe de 
soutien. Les professeurs, les stagiaires, le personnel (où une 
réorganisation devait avoir lieu, les postes fixes sont passés de 4 à 2) 
se réjouissent d’un vent nouveau en poupe.


Le nouveau Bureau de direction (avec le nouveau directeur délégué et 
homme d’affaires Wim Decraemer, le président et journaliste à la VRT, la 
radio/télévision flamande, Nico Blontrock et membre du Bureau, le 
libraire brugeois Koen De Meester) a relancé des liens qui ont retrouvé 
leur place, des relations perdues par le passé et qui se sont renouées.


La revue KANT va bientôt profiter d’une nouvelle mise en page. Les cours 
d’été seront de nouveau organisés ainsi qu’une nouvelle formation de 
trois ans pour les professeurs de dentelle. D’autre part, l’occupation 
des bâtiments historiques du XVème siècle arrive à échéance. Cependant, 
le propriétaire a investi un demi-million d’euro dans la restauration et 
l’agrandissement de l’ancienne école de dentelle, un peu plus loin dans 
la Balstraat. Un nouveau Musée de dentelle (avec les dentelles de la 
collection municipale) s’ouvrira là aussi.


Les relations avec nos « concucollègues », autrement dit les autres 
commerçants dentelliers brugeois, seront aussi rétablies. Bientôt, des 
projets seront menés en collaboration avec ceux-ci.


Le centre du Tourisme de Bruges va fortement promouvoir tout ce qui 
concerne la dentelle comme événements culturels, en Belgique comme à 
l’étranger.


Le Kantcentrum revit. Il foisonne d’activités, il envisage de nombreux 
projets, l’avenir nous offre une quantité d’opportunités.


Si vous avez des questions, des remarques ou des suggestions, vous 
pouvez toujours contacter le Kantcentrum

Peperstraat 3a, 8000 Brugge, 00 32 50 33 00 72 (i...@kantcentrum.com)

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[lace] Breaking and Twist to Thread

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo

i have been working over this in my head
how can i make it more visual to you all?
because out of the emails from several from you
I do understand that i created more confusion then understanding
so i have some diagrams

have a look

francis

http://twists.weefshop.be/#home

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Re: [lace] Re: Breaking and Twist to Thread

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo Susan,

yes and no
is the answer on your answer

i was probably not clear enough in this matter
YES you are correct if you do talk about handknitting and hand sewing
but i must realy say NO to the matter if we talk in terms of bobinlace

please make a difference between those techniques
first of all
the knittng is mostly done whit thicker threads here we have to take in 
account oa other way of looking towards twists
if you have a thick thread of say 1cm diameter (i take a virtual strong 
example) and you put a few twist per meter, you will fast have a 
deformation of the thread
also by knitting by hand you have strangely the effect of acumulating 
twist between the hand and the skein/cone/ball or whatever

this mostly applies for 1 ply threads
this is a proces we do not have in machine knitting
there again the twists do spread themselfs like i told for bobbinlace

for sewing you have that same problem indeed
and more even there is the same problem in handsewing as in machine sewing
way is that?
it all has to do whit tensioning the threads
how much tension is put on the threads
in the machine you have the thred which goes through all those differend 
thread guidance

and ther is a lot of tnesion on the threads
so it is more easy for the twists to accumulate adn not slipping over 
the guidance
there for if you use not leveled sewingthreads but lets say knitting 
threads or weaving threads to sew

you will have problems like snapping hreads on one pount or an other
this due to the acumulation or decumulation of the twists
the easyes way of having to deal whit it is rethreading the sewing 
machine each 10meters of used thread

a real hassle but on option
now on the handsewing you will have the same problem
and mostly because the extratension/stress you put on the thread by 
pulling it through the tissue
it seems to gluide for most people but in reality the thread if pulled 
on a quite strong tension and will do the same effect as accumulate or 
decumulate twist just before the ingoing of the tissue

again this should only be haapenign whit nonlevveled threads
if you use ballenced threads, they should not do it


now the bobbin lace
it is blabla, it realy is
i lack the courage and words in written english
to express myself fully
but look towards it closly
the movement after it is done by youself  AFTERWARDS
i did not go into depth of the S or Z twist and how yo put it on the bobbin
tha tis on other story
i only mentioned that the number of twists added on a bobbin
is neglectable for the work
peanuts you cal it i beleeve

so if you put a spool in a way that you derool it by puting it 
horizontal towards the bobin so it unwinds as the threadcone unrolls aswell
or if yo just rool the thread from the coen from its vertical possition 
and so add or deminish twists it is of no concequense

again look to the thickness of threads you use in bobbinlace
mostly fine to extreme fine from 300 to 1800 twists per meter in the 
extrafien threads
adn if you do the math you will see that the number of added twists is 
peanuts
even if you take very small threadcones were the diameter is 0.5cm it 
still is peanuts


anf the problemof adding afterwards on the pillow has notthing to do 
whit the way you put it on the bobin
(taken out of sight the S or Z way to put threads on the bobin, that is 
an other discusion)

ask around to teachers
they will tell you
soem always have problems other never have
if you work in those spangels you do not turn atall so the should not 
have that problem
it only occurs whit us european bobins whom can turn around if 
manipulates to fast and to nonchalant


i wil try to make some diagrams and try to put them on the internet to 
show you

what i mean
as useal english seems far more diffuclt to fully express my thoughs  
then it should be


francis

extremly happy that atleast the lovley Susan reacts to this
please if you also have thuoghts on this matter .
let them come




Susan Reishus schreef:

With all due respect, I have to disagree, Francis, as not only is thread wound
on a bobbin, but it has movement after that, whether in working stitches in
bobbin lace, how people turn the bobbins as they work (even if a small amount,
it accrues), and other dangling, etc.

Though I am not an expert in bobbin lace, I have worked with textiles, fwiw,
for decades.  Sewing thread for hand sewing twists just with simple running
stitches, and is compliant and stronger, when allowed to unfurl.  (Often
thread cut from the spool, and threaded with the last from the spool, handles
better, going along with the twist, than threading a needle from the first cut
end).  


Even when knitting lace or a plain sock, one must continually allow the yarn
(or object), to unwind.  Not done, this put bias on objects so they tend not
to lay on grain which adds stress, but especially, as untwisting too much
will weaken (not often a problem in hand knitting, rather over twisting is)
the yarn and will break or wear soon.

It 

Re: [lace] Re: Breaking and Twist to Thread

[Francis Busschaert]

indeed claire it is you and not the thread
it is mostly a chock to see that you are the cause of the cataclism and 
not the thread
but the good part is that it means that you CAN overcome that problem 
because it is you

and not the thread

this put aside that there are real catastrophical threads on the market
they exist to but then again
you also have to addapt


francis



Claire Allen schreef:
Another thought to add to the mix. I wind my bobbins to ensure I am 
not adding or removing the thread's twist, but I still find it 
untwists as I work. Years ago it was suggested to me that I might be 
twisting my bobbins as I work my lace unintentionally. I now keep an 
eye on my threads and find from time to time I need to give my bobbins 
a twist the other way to put the twist back on the thread.


Claire
Kent,UK

Claire Allen
www.bonitocrafts.co.uk
Crafty stuff I want to show off.



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[lace] Breaking threads

[Francis Busschaert]

i have been following this BREAKING thread also

it is a big problem
its even an enormous problem
but it is seldon a problem due to one factor
it is mostly a combination of more then one

have a look in depth in the problem

someone mentioned it already
colouring can do various dammage to threads/fibres
in some colouring processes you have to use quite strong mordants to 
make the pigment stick to the fibres

for having some special colours you need special pigmetns
special pigments means sometimes that it needs other chemicals to make 
the colour attach itself to the thread/fibres

these chemicals can do a lot of damage to the fibres..
now special colours means mostly more expensive pigments
more expensive proces to get the endresult
i hope you can all feel it comming
ofcourse their is always the cheaper alternative
an alternative were it looks just a bit differend
but almost the same
a bit more agresssive mordants
a bit stronger pigment
a bit more of this and that of cheaper products will do the trick  
for jsut a bit of time
i hope that all of you have had already the experience of some drops of 
bleach (natrium hypochloriet) on a jeans
if you are fast and spool it out under a lot of watter you can be lucky 
not to have any stains
if you have not seen it that while beeing the cleaning queen and a drop 
of bleach here and there on your clothes.
you wil end up whit a stain and mostlikly if it is strong bleach you 
can even have a so stongly weakend spot that it falls apart

the cotton justs desinegrate into cottondust
there it is clear again
bleaching threads is a hasard
you need to know what to do
the just amount of bleach or peroxide but not to damage it
and to reinice it all out again hit loott of water

so immage those cheaper produxcts
stronger as they are
more agressive as they most are
(but cheaper)
you need to know hat you are doing
if you use strong agressive products you need to neutralise them again
and then absolutly neutralised or they wil slumer, keep working slowly 
but steddy and do the dammage

on a moment you do not need it
mostly there in a work were it is difficult torectify it
weel we all have had it seen it or ..


an other problem
is that sometimes colouring does not give the needed or wanted result
because the light yellow is not anymore good to use  because it was not 
light enough or do dark

then what will you do?
trow all the fibres or thread away?
NO
you will start looking for a solution
it is often used into an compete other dark colour
so then you do not have a one coulour attack on the fibres but a second too
as an example
you needed pistachio green but it turns to be sage green
the client will not like it so you take a new batch of threads and do it 
over
but the sagegreen will be used to repaint it into for example very 
dark green or black
if you are a realy cheap person as a factory you will even try to undo 
the colour by a particular bleaching proces

based on the absorbtion of some kinds of salts and recouler it afterwards
can you see it virtualy in front of you
first colouring
then bleaching
then coloring again
after some proceses like this your thread looks like the head of a 
16year old blond whom tried evry week again on other colour

she ends up whit a bunch of straw brittle hair.
she cant help it she is blond
but the factory knows...
so the tricky part is to make it again presentable ot the end user
eas
there are again chemicals to use to cover up the yarngate-scandal
yes you heard me well again chemicalsthey wil temporaraly stabilise the 
thread

the cheapest way to do is transparent silicon spray
there are a lot more other  therapys to do



now there was the sugestion of the way you put the spool of thred to 
wind in on your bobins

that is blabla
there are very few added on or taken of twists to it
easy to calculate it
you take the diameter of the spool and multiply by PI  3.14 and you have 
the outer diameter

lets say 1cm * 3.14= 3.14cm per extra twist
so if you needed 1 meter of thread on your bobin you have 100cm / 3.14 
=31twist per  meter extra
if you work into fine threads like 70/2 Nec you are around 400 to 600 
twists per meter

that 31twists will be ignorant to the tbehavior of the thread
and again the Z or S and the adding or takeingof will be minimal
some will say now:
but if you need 10 meters it will be 10 times that amount?
not realy only the distance from the threadspool to the bobin counts
and then again you will fearly end up on an even dispercion of the added 
or taken of twists


Mirian wrote that atmospheric conditions seems s not to effect her work
well it is not so much that it is dry or wet cold or warm whom will 
effect thread breaking or not
but it is more the fact that it is continiously changing from dry to wet 
to ...

a simple comparison is the violin and the piano
you need to adjust constantly if the moist in the room changes
ofcourse long periods of dry air can do dammaging 

[lace-chat] Some fotos from our opendoor days

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo,

some of you asked for fotos of the open door days.

one of the clients posted them on her website
http://yarnlot.blogspot.com/2010/01/opendeurdagen-bart-en-francis-2010.html


there were 9 Amercians living in amsterdam
real knitoholicks and made some fotos to
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13687...@n05/sets/72157623314885582/show/


kind regards

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Re: [lace] Rayon

[Francis Busschaert]

Susan Reishus schreef:

I think of rayon as being made from tree pulp, and though many fibers are
being refined to micro fibers, and bamboo is also a tree, fibers of refined
rayon compared to bamboo, are only close cousins in hand.  

  


there is a BIG difference beteen the old rayone and the newone
you have to see it in an other way
i will compare it whit oldfashinoned icecream
in the days the birds still spoke  you had an icecreamventer whom sold 
vanilla

if you were lucky you had chocolate and coffeee

have a look now at an icecreamventer
it is endless
they put spoilers and colours ontop of the original vanilla or even the 
just plain milkcream

so they inhance the flavour

now transpond this to rayone
in the old days when rayonne was made
you had just plain rayonne and that was it
nowdays you have an endless veraity of royonne lookalikes because they
putted spoilers on them
they try to change the composition and caracter of these rayones by 
simply adding stuff

mostly chemicals whom do only 2 differend actions

A the first do an action on the molecular level itself
they realy change the nature of the molecule or the behavior on that 
molecule
( molecule is not the correct term here it are chains of molecules my 
english again lacks rafinement)
the later kind does a complete differend thingh they do not change the 
molecules but they change the enviroment in whom they are acting


the difference
the first is eg: less stenght more strenght coping to more heath less 
heath more or less elastic
only by adding chemical addetives before the makeing of the fibres by 
pressing them like spaghetti pasta

here you have realy visible aspects to what is does or not
it is perfectly measurable what it does

the lastkind is more publicity and of the kind were you have to take a 
leap of faith..

like adding to the pulp beauty antiaging chemicals
now we all now that i am the only one stayning 26 and a half but the 
rest is still aging.
and now ladys do you realy beleef that the celulite will walk away by 
putting this or that??


an other one is like putting 1 promille silver to the pulpmasss before 
the fibre making

it should scare the horrible small dust and home acaricides
yes in theory silver oxide reacts bad on them but in that small amounts?
again the only real products in this matter are uesed in the medical 
industry
3M has a plaster woven out of rayone enhanced whit antibacterial 
chemicals  antiseptic etcetc



for giving you an idea of the possibilitys
and it is done a lot
the thigh is
as a manufacturer yo will not call your beautyenhancing fibre anymore rayone
you will even make the publicity so strong on the fact to avoidd that it 
is a rayone lookalike whit some aloavera in it

yop call it then slimmfibre or marvelfibre..

can you immaine that some people find textile boring??
they should ozerhgimuHLGFPIgfyfGFN DIRECTLY

kind regards from francis
just about to go do a big beautysleep






A century ago, rayon was poo-pooed also, but has evolved from it's category of
cheap and shrinking, to definitely serving a purpose.  I am sure we will find
more and more naturally occurring substances being processed for various
uses.


At some point the green perspective blurs in using so many chemicals to make
something natural into a fiber, then textile.  I love these new fibers, but I
don't think I will will be using them for bobbin or tape laces at this point.
 Not just because of the time lace takes, but not knowing how stable they are,
and for something that hopefully will be passed on and appreciated for many
generations to come.


As far as milk being developed to assist heart function medically, medicine is
so liability conscious, that I doubt the use something that wasn't reliable.
 (One of my sister's is a VP of a major international company specializing in
these things.)  Another, is that many heart treatments are projected to last
10-15 years, and then redone, etc.  So maybe it won't last forever, but it
must be so chemically changed that the body doesn't try to assimilate it, as a
body can even absorb a sliver from a piece of wood, etc. in a fairly short
period of time, if not removed.


All interesting!


FWIWSusan Reishus

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[lace] bambooo ------ milk -----running frensh smelly chees........

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all
i had an email from several of you conserning the bamboo

i have multiple reaction


a few remarks
ùmost what you will find id the stuff all of you are talking of
so in this regards the bamboo you have to list as regenereated celulose 
from bamboo origine


BUT BUT BUT be aware ladys and some men
the real bambooyarn made from real bamboo fibres does exist aswell
we have always offered this ones
there are only 2 manufactures whom produce real bamboo like linnne proces
one in france and one in japan
i take threads but mostly sliver (the fibres already made in prespinning 
state) from both of them

their production is very small
for giving you an idea of exclusivity, they also make threads from 
Wisteria Sinensis we call them in belgium and holland bleu rain

so they are realy specilised in special bast fibres
the one in france is the one whom made our special ananas/pinaple thread
they are small in producion
it is easyly concluded that all the rest is celuluse
the rerason is simple
the proces itself is very very time consuming and also expensive
from the original plant you have vertialy nothing left
they often call it sifting a needle in a heystack
that is the reason that this quality it is normaly used in the highend 
fashinon

that is the reasion we need to ask 6.5€ for one of those small spools
and we have a very small margin of profit on this artickle

personaly i do not have any proble that it is mentioned as manmade
because of the problems explaining it that you also have the real genuan 
thingh
i suppose it is clear enough on our website that you have others non 
real products

the bigest problem is that it is not so easy to see the difference
the bamboo brakes down to extremly fine fibres
you can in that matter compare it whit high quality sisal
most know sisal as a very thick material
you can not be more wrong
that is for the bamboo
i can tell much more but i beleeve i made myself again more then aple 
rudicule in English or whatever it is i type




concerning the MILK:

milk proteine is actualy chees/chedar kind of procedee that is then made 
in thread

i strongly desugest you putting it in the list
it is a experimental proteine fibre
it is instable and non of the biger producers like bayer dupont etc are 
until now able to compensit the dificulties
it is very very strong as fibre but it is realy fast attact by 
beast/coucarages and smaal bugs

they see it as a supreme supper
plus the biggest disadvantage is that it does nasty smells in contact 
whit water humidity
it begins after a wile to smell like one of those frensh cheeses which 
came to live agian

..
so i strongy dought that it still is available on the market
beacause it is reacherced in the early 80 when we had in europe the big 
butter and milk surplus

only dupont makes it for a medical utility
there it is used as a kind of vales for harts .. i do not know how 
it works but ...

it is the only use
i do not want to be the BAD one but it is a cheneese 
enterprise

they often pretend to have invented this or that
and are cracks in reinventing boiled water
or to envent the moon

now that i am thinink about it
teir is a very good study and whit result in real thread of goats
injected so they make milk containing the same as spidermilk proteines
it is then made into yarn
but again this aplication is done for medical results
so here it doesd not matter that it smells like and old swine ready to 
drop dead of its own smell
again i know it is made into little hartvalves and aslo into some other 
kind of membrane
for plastic surgery i beleve it is used as grafts or bases for grafts of 
tissue to grom cells into in forms etcetc
this is very great and intresting but already to way of my own 
topic...



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[lace] bam-milk

[Francis Busschaert]

i forgot to tell tha tit is not from the imens bamboo you see on the link

it is the small srub one whom is used

when i find the name i put it in an email

francis

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[lace-chat] bambooo ------ milk -----running frensh smelly chees........

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all
i had an email from several of you conserning the bamboo

i have multiple reaction


a few remarks
ùmost what you will find id the stuff all of you are talking of
so in this regards the bamboo you have to list as regenereated celulose 
from bamboo origine


BUT BUT BUT be aware ladys and some men
the real bambooyarn made from real bamboo fibres does exist aswell
we have always offered this ones
there are only 2 manufactures whom produce real bamboo like linnne proces
one in france and one in japan
i take threads but mostly sliver (the fibres already made in prespinning 
state) from both of them

their production is very small
for giving you an idea of exclusivity, they also make threads from 
Wisteria Sinensis we call them in belgium and holland bleu rain

so they are realy specilised in special bast fibres
the one in france is the one whom made our special ananas/pinaple thread
they are small in producion
it is easyly concluded that all the rest is celuluse
the rerason is simple
the proces itself is very very time consuming and also expensive
from the original plant you have vertialy nothing left
they often call it sifting a needle in a heystack
that is the reason that this quality it is normaly used in the highend 
fashinon

that is the reasion we need to ask 6.5€ for one of those small spools
and we have a very small margin of profit on this artickle

personaly i do not have any proble that it is mentioned as manmade
because of the problems explaining it that you also have the real genuan 
thingh
i suppose it is clear enough on our website that you have others non 
real products

the bigest problem is that it is not so easy to see the difference
the bamboo brakes down to extremly fine fibres
you can in that matter compare it whit high quality sisal
most know sisal as a very thick material
you can not be more wrong
that is for the bamboo
i can tell much more but i beleeve i made myself again more then aple 
rudicule in English or whatever it is i type




concerning the MILK:

milk proteine is actualy chees/chedar kind of procedee that is then made 
in thread

i strongly desugest you putting it in the list
it is a experimental proteine fibre
it is instable and non of the biger producers like bayer dupont etc are 
until now able to compensit the dificulties
it is very very strong as fibre but it is realy fast attact by 
beast/coucarages and smaal bugs

they see it as a supreme supper
plus the biggest disadvantage is that it does nasty smells in contact 
whit water humidity
it begins after a wile to smell like one of those frensh cheeses which 
came to live agian

..
so i strongy dought that it still is available on the market
beacause it is reacherced in the early 80 when we had in europe the big 
butter and milk surplus

only dupont makes it for a medical utility
there it is used as a kind of vales for harts .. i do not know how 
it works but ...

it is the only use
i do not want to be the BAD one but it is a cheneese 
enterprise

they often pretend to have invented this or that
and are cracks in reinventing boiled water
or to envent the moon

now that i am thinink about it
teir is a very good study and whit result in real thread of goats
injected so they make milk containing the same as spidermilk proteines
it is then made into yarn
but again this aplication is done for medical results
so here it doesd not matter that it smells like and old swine ready to 
drop dead of its own smell
again i know it is made into little hartvalves and aslo into some other 
kind of membrane
for plastic surgery i beleve it is used as grafts or bases for grafts of 
tissue to grom cells into in forms etcetc
this is very great and intresting but already to way of my own 
topic...



francis

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[lace-chat] bam-milk

[Francis Busschaert]

i forgot to tell tha tit is not from the imens bamboo you see on the link

it is the small srub one whom is used

when i find the name i put it in an email

francis

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[lace] opendoor days 30 31 jan 2010 BartFrancis

[Francis Busschaert]

halo to alll  arachneas,

a hap and threadtastic filofabultastic 2010
may we live all happily, long, and healthy.

i email here for 2 reasons

as most of you know we have our open door days  the last weekend of Jan,
to be exact the 30  31 jan 2010 from  9.3o--16.30

on the website you will find ample information on it

www.bart-francis.be

on these days we have 2 special events

an expo of Mariet Visser and 2 of her students
she is specialised in the more advanced 3-dimensional lace
she combines, her absolute suburb clasical skills to realise modern work
and has  invented a combination of simplicity to obtain 3-dimensional 
grandeur.

you ought to see it to be stunned by it
she also incorporate a lot of differend textiel tchniques together whit lace
to make a some of her works pure art

besides this fabulous expo
we also have the presentation of ieve Pollet her endwrok for the 
Kantmonitoraat
i m not sure if it is the correct term in english but i beleve we call 
it a scription / thesys
it is based on the researsh of silk cultivation /silk activity between 
the Cevenne and the Haute-Loire in france

and she made several  fine laces to mach her scription.

so if any of yo can come over to us
you are more then welcome
as always we have very nice cofee (not the recycled stuff from the some 
dead brasian bark) but real good cofee

extreme good apetisers al from sweet to very sweet
and very important we have a drop your husband corner
were he can find a wide selection of newspapers and some homebrewed 
fancy liquors to keep him bussy while you are injoing yourself

so tell me is this not appealing

a happy newyear

Francis

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[lace-chat] opendoor days 30 31 jan 2010 BartFrancis

[Francis Busschaert]

halo to alll  arachneas,

a hap and threadtastic filofabultastic 2010
may we live all happily, long, and healthy.

i email here for 2 reasons

as most of you know we have our open door days  the last weekend of Jan,
to be exact the 30  31 jan 2010 from  9.3o--16.30

on the website you will find ample information on it

www.bart-francis.be

on these days we have 2 special events

an expo of Mariet Visser and 2 of her students
she is specialised in the more advanced 3-dimensional lace
she combines, her absolute suburb clasical skills to realise modern work
and has  invented a combination of simplicity to obtain 3-dimensional 
grandeur.

you ought to see it to be stunned by it
she also incorporate a lot of differend textiel tchniques together whit lace
to make a some of her works pure art

besides this fabulous expo
we also have the presentation of ieve Pollet her endwrok for the 
Kantmonitoraat
i m not sure if it is the correct term in english but i beleve we call 
it a scription / thesys
it is based on the researsh of silk cultivation /silk activity between 
the Cevenne and the Haute-Loire in france

and she made several  fine laces to mach her scription.

so if any of yo can come over to us
you are more then welcome
as always we have very nice cofee (not the recycled stuff from the some 
dead brasian bark) but real good cofee

extreme good apetisers al from sweet to very sweet
and very important we have a drop your husband corner
were he can find a wide selection of newspapers and some homebrewed 
fancy liquors to keep him bussy while you are injoing yourself

so tell me is this not appealing

a happy newyear

Francis

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Re: [lace] Mechelen Lace

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo,

there is a group specilised in the art of Mechelse Kant
they have a enormous collection of mechelse kant and also a 20 or more 
original pattern books from the old days

and i mean real patternbooks from the 1800 i beleve
it was about to be trown into a fire when someone nearby
happend to see them and said NOO WAYYY
and so just by coinsidence of that person beeing there this treasure was 
saved


the person whom learned it from one of the older nons in a convent of 
Mechelen way back in the 60or 70ties is Mrs Nieke Vermant

she does not do a lot of traditional work anymore
but is you want information on it  i am sure she is THE ONE to contact
she lives in the town next to Mechelen called Bonheiden

they have a website
http://www.kantcentrumbonheiden.be/

they are very very much into renewing the art of lace and espacialy to 
teach young ones

from age 7 to...
it is one of those more livly groups

francis
in a horrible drooling raining cold wet unpleasant belgium
i wiched i was back inn the californian climate




Ilse Depaepe schreef:

Dear fellow lace makers,

I have just joined this list but I like the information I am getting.

I hope one of you can help me.  I live in a town called Mechelen (Malines)
in Belgium.  In the 1600s the lace made in my town was considered as one of
the best in the then known world.  The British poet Edward Young described
it as the 'Queen of laces'.
In 1713 princess Anne of England, daughter of Charles II bought 57 meters of
it.  And it is also known that Marie-Antoinette, the last queen of France
had some for her wedding.

I have seen samples of the lace in our museum.  But I can't find anyone
anymore who can teach me the technique.  There are no real books or
instructions I have been able to find.

So I was hoping any of you had heard of this type of lace and would be able
to point me in the right direction.  I would love to be able to make some
lace again altough in my history book of the town it says it took years to
learn the technique
Thank you very much!


Ilse D.

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[lace] coloured old lace knitting?????

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all
i know it is not realy lace so i will AGAIN walk on the sharp edge of a 
knife, but jaaa thats meee


i have seen now a lot of very nice to wonderfull lacesjaals made in knitting
from estonian to islandic to shetland etcetcetc
very nice very perfect in technical outworking BUT
is there anyone whom knows of OLD (for me that is from before 1900) of 
coloured fine to cobweb knitted peaces?
arez there some around in musea? or is that just somethinghs never been 
done in those days?
i can hardly immagine it was only done in white black or beige or the 
shetlandcolours


francis

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Re: [lace] lace edges

[Francis Busschaert]

To all,

please be awere of the fact that these days machine lace can overcome 
this problem of picots and edges


there is the possibility to use watersolube thread on the parts where 
you normaly should do the cutting of the differend peaces of

machiend laces
and it is no longer valid that possitions of thread nr 1 cant go to 
possition nr 5000 in one and the same row of work
in the modern machines they can promtly change possitions of threads 
like you should do on your pillow

the reason they do not do it is because it takes time
and we all know time is money
but for the highend market  it is done

so you can make lace peaces on these machiens and then just water it and 
hocuspocus pats   you have the several differend peaces

no cutted  threads.
only strangely looking picots
but this is not a real problem in normal live
because if her ladyship is wearing a scarf well draped over her 
voluptous bozem

no one will dare to go look close and ask is this a normal picot?
well I wood not do it...

i did not look to the picots
i only looked suspicious to the woven linnen parts
wich seems for me to be to open and in a bizare way spaced  intervals 
inbetween


and i do not agree to the assuption that the ends are taken 
always care of

yes you might do that but look to what is there to find in most shops
look to the horrors hanign in citys like Brugge Gent Antwerp Brussel..
i m born and raised in Brugge and looked all my life to it
i almost got bad eyes because of it
so BAADDD

or is this a wrong assuption of me?

please feel always free to correct me
i do not bite very hard

francis



Alice Howell schreef:

I'll give a try on this.

First, the lace shawl on eBay had a strip of machine made picots 
(little loops) sewn on the edges to imitate the picots on handmade 
lace that are an extension of the edge stitches.  Depending on the 
lace, the handmade loops can be made with one thread or with two 
threads twisted together.


Some machine made laces are made with a woven background and these are 
usually made in quantity and attached together.  When they are cut 
apart, it leaves single thread ends sticking out all around.  I don't 
know of any handmade laces that have single threads sticking out.  
Bobbin lace is made with pairs, and great care is taken to finish off 
the ends so they do not stick out.  Needlelace techniques hide the 
thread ends.


Alice in Oregon



- Original Message 
From: Pat Tinney tinn...@austin.rr.com

This brings up a question that I have had on my mind for a while..

I know that most, if not all, of the lace in my church is machine 
made. Some of it looks like the pattern was woven and a sizing used to 
hold it together. No twist, no cross, no knots.


The one thing I have wondered about, that I also think I see in the 
eBay quasi-shawl is that on the edges little threads are sticking out. 
It is the existence of these threads that make me think that the lace 
in my church is a simple weave that is trimmed at the end of the 
manufacturing process.


My question is this: Are there any traditional techniques that have 
these short threads sticking out. I cannot tell about the eBay 
example, but on the ones in my church these are definitely single cut 
threads, not at all like a worker thread going around a pin.


Any information or resources would be most appreciated.

Thank you,
Pat T.

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From: Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:58 PM
To: Francis Busschaert francis.busscha...@telenet.be
Cc: lace@arachne.com
Subject: Re: [lace] USA

 

Hello Francis

It's not Chantilly
It's not hand made
It's not even big enough to be a shawl.

It is a machine made scarf - probably Leavers machine.

Brenda

On 6 Sep 2009, at 19:53, Francis Busschaert wrote:

   

i m not an expert but if i see those fotograps  my little alamr
senors in my head say NOWAY
that is not handmade but ùmachien lace

i know there are some EXPERTS here
enlighten me please

the abay nr is  ebay nr  110428639339


  
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-SILK-BLONDE-CHANTILLY-LACE-SHAWL-HANDEMBR-8_W0QQitem 

Z110428639339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b60f506b_trksi 


d=p3286.c0.m14

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/

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[lace] USA

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo to all,
dont panic
i will not write of my journey of the USA
that will come later i will condense all in one verryyy long email 
and post it


but i have a question i have seen a so called blonde work on ebay
i m not an expert but if i see those fotograps  my little alamr senors 
in my head say NOWAY

that is not handmade but ùmachien lace

i know there are some EXPERTS here
enlighten me please

the abay nr is  ebay nr  110428639339

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-SILK-BLONDE-CHANTILLY-LACE-SHAWL-HANDEMBR-8_W0QQitemZ110428639339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b60f506b_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

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[lace] USA

[Francis Busschaert]

I have an other question on this matter

do sellers not have the OBLIGATION to tell the truth
that it is not handmade, machinemade, etcetcet
or is this obligation only a fague notion?

i have looked a bit further on ebay and i was ashamed for some of these 
sellers to even try to pass on piecec whom are

so clearly machine lace trimmings as the real genuan product..
even vintage was labeled on some

so i will drop my real question here and now
i m looking for a chantilly or blonde  genuan/vintage nice and for 
virtualy no money

i it need ot be as big as possible
because it i need it to be scanned and blown up to be used as a print on 
textile afterwards


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[lace] our USA ioli adventure part 1

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all

So we went to the USA
I finaly did not take knitting needles on the plane
because i all to well remember that custums and airportsecurity peolpe 
lac any kind of polite and frindly comprehensive caracter
i beleve they are specialy trained in beeing a  in the . it is 
at your own imagination to fill in the .

when i finaly was on that plane,
I a was happy not to have my knittigneedles
there is no place to move around my arms and elbows to knit..
not whitout hurting the co-passengers anyway
so no knitting

i fly a lot evry year in europe short cityhoppers  so in and out the plane
and it is always out of holliday periods
so i forgot how it is when you do travel in holidayperiods
what it is like to have very small, small and even bigger children on 
the plane

or the nonstop blond narative waterfall
or big dinosoruslike persons next to you or behind you
whom just fit in the chair and even beyond that chair
and were you have to dwell and survive for 8 painfully long hours evry 
airbreeding movement and other fysical  movements

were you feel the knees of that person al to we in your back
where you see and mostly hear the children of parents whom lost the 
parental battle against there own monsters a veryyy long time ago
boy o boy i still want children but that are the moments were you realy 
think twice

somehow you seem to not feel the dinosaur anymore
somehow you seem to not notice the little gremlins  anymore
somehow you seem to be able to dwell in a state of sleeping and not 
noticing all the rest


we survived the trip

and suddenly you are in Los Angeles
it was the first time we were in the USA
it realy is DIFFEREND
not in big ways but in small remarcable thinghs
the first thing we noticed was the imens amounts of traffic
and all those small busses for the hotels, and carparks etcetc
sooo many traffic
and soo big cars, driving monsters on 4 or more wheels
big bigger bigest shining metal monsters
we did not see any old cars
it was like a new presenting carshow

we took the ride to the hotel
settled down and asked at the concierge were we could find a supermarket
BIG MISTAKE..
he said only 10 minutes around the corner a bit further
welll those 10 minutes became 45 minutes of walking  real walking
in skin burning SUN and hot air
i felt like a vampire in the sun and  i was smimming in my own underware...
that was the first time we noticed the small distinct  other way of 
seeing distances
at that point were were awake for 28 hours, to give you a bit the 
feelling we had in our remainders of brain


we espacily go first to see supermarkets when we arrive in other countrys
for us it is like a contempary museum of the living culture or like 
the ambasy of lifestyl

what you see there is what you will get for the rest of the time beeing

so my remarks are
were do you find non sugar containing yogurt and when i say non sugar i 
do not want some kind of fake/synthetic sugar in it
like aspartaan or what ever   we could not find any natural non 
sugartasty yogurt  IMPOSSIBLE
and the more you see other products the more you notice that vertualy 
all is sugary, sweetend, honny.


where are those lovly hard baked cookies biscuits and other delights?
it seems to be mostly half baked whatevers
i like them crunchy

what the HELL happend whit chocolate in the USA
why does all chocolate products taste like ... well i can not decribe it
must be some recycled wasteproduct of the pertochem industry
my god that is in the eys of us belgiums (and swiss) like  blasfamy
you shall not rape or violate the taste of chocolate

why does the fish smells like it came by slow animal transport from 
Argentina.


what is the difference between 1% fatfree milk and 2% fatfree milk
and please do not tell me 1% difference

and i forgot a lot of those little differences
they will come.

so we bought our selection of never tried before goods and headed back 
to the hotel

when we arrived in the hotel we felt like yellifis
and went straight to bed

the next morning we were a wake at 3.00   3.30  4.00 .and at 5.00 in 
the morning the 2 of us were already fully awake

we coudl unfortunatly not shed off the belgium timeline
i never had that big difference in time before  it is a real bodyand 
mind killer

i still do not understand how longdistance flycrews can cope whit it
its a wonder no more planecrash hapen ...
that fisrt day we took a small bustrip
first stop  manhatten beach
to see the passific the one ocean i had never seen before
it was nice
warm t hot again but nice from the breese in the air
we stopped at the starbucks drink some coffees and noticed again some 
very bizare usa-behavier
some not so skinny persons asked a coffee whit lowfat milk BUT whit 
whipped cream on it

yeaah like that will work  1 -1 = 0
like eating negative weightwatchers poits lol

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Re: [lace] real danger comming to the USA???????? or just a fluffy knit

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo Mrs Irene,

yes i will be there for the IOLI Lace guild convention

we are making the whoe trip towards you
specialy for you
and we bring a lot of gooodies whit us
as you know i m a real thread-aholic
a yarn-maniac
a textile obsesed creature
yo have no idea.
welll you will see for yourself
and don't mind i am in therapy for it

you show me a bit of thread fibers and i m like a child geting candy
my mother told me reasontly 'DO NOT ACCEPT THREADS FORM OLD LADYS
 lol
lol

why did you ask?
do you want sometink in perticular from our range?
you can always ask to bring it to the USA
but huy the last shipment is leaving in 2 days

many kind regards

francis








Whitham, Irene  Steve schreef:

Dear Francis,

This isn't an answer to your question but my curiosity.will you be in Los
Angeles for the IOLI convention?

Irene Whitham
who's looking forward to her first IOLI convention,

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[lace] The USA seems to have a problem whit me

[Francis Busschaert]

Mrs alice howel send me an email for buying threads at the ioli 
convention but

her emailsystem sends it back as impossible to diliver
i am seen as unwanted spam by the system
you seee
i am even seen as a danger by USA email provider
so sorry to do this here but i have no possibility of contacting her 
otherwise


this was the email

Hello,

Are you the Francis of the Bart and Francis Threads that Michael Guisiana 
brought to Lace at Sweet Briar conference?  I tried to find your webpage but I 
didn't have it written down correctly.

If you are the right person, I am interested in the thread packages for Binche 
and for Flanders.  I understand that there are three sizes of thread in each 
package, and one of the spools is size 240.

I have several friends going to IOLI in Los Angeles, so one of them could pay 
you and pick up the packages.

I hope you have a great trip, and can use your knitting needles all the way.
Alice in Oregon
Alice Howell



this is my reaction

hallo mrs Alicen,

yes indeed that is me
i m francis form bart en francis
it is not a problem to reserve this now
it is even better
you just do a order on the internet and you put on it your name and 
shooche dilivery form IOLI losangeles
that way your package will be awaiting for you or your friends at the 
convention

the fine cotton threads are a real wonder
they are the best of the best from this kind of egyptian cotton
finer and better cotton is not technical possible
you willl be very very happy about it

if i may ask you to spread the word around
we are comming and it is not a problem to order now to put aside in IOLI
it saves us a bit of problems

please do notice they have to pay on the spot in cash or goldnuggets (no creditcards or 
other systems are possible)

many many kind regards

francis

http://www.bart-francis.be



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[lace] real danger comming to the USA???????? or just a fluffy knit

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo dear Arachnes,

i have a question
i will be in a plain towards the big USA   (brussels 
---chicagolosangeles)

and i was wondering to kill the time by knittning on the plane
but .  it is towards the BIG USA  so there will be probably problems 
ahaed ..
has anyone reacently done this? and dident been put out of the plane 
over the atlantic whit a small dingorubberboat and one paddle


i assume that they will say that i can  kill  more than time whit 
knitting needles
if that is the case i think i feel greatly overestimated in my 007 bond 
capabilitys

but .
c'est la vie


many kind regards

francis

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Re: [lace] real danger comming to the USA???????? or just a fluffy knit

[Francis Busschaert]

But did you use them on the plane, did the flight-staff said anything 
about it ?

I wanna use them in the cabin ... to pas some time

Francis,


Annelore Stone schreef:

Hello,

I have had wooden knitting needles in my carry on, and they didn't 
show up on the scanner I guess.  They passed OK.  When I came back 
from Frankfurt in May I brought a fairly large--a size 3 crochet hook, 
1/2 plastic and 1/2 metal, and they didn't take that away from me.  Of 
course that has a fairly large rounded metal tip.


Annelore Stone in the shadow of Mt. Rainier in the Great State of 
Washington
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Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: [lace] real danger comming to the USA or just a 
fluffy knit




hallo dear Arachnes,

i have a question
i will be in a plain towards the big USA   (brussels
---chicagolosangeles)
and i was wondering to kill the time by knittning on the plane
but .  it is towards the BIG USA  so there will be probably problems
ahaed ..
has anyone reacently done this? and dident been put out of the plane
over the atlantic whit a small dingorubberboat and one paddle

i assume that they will say that i can  kill  more than time whit
knitting needles
if that is the case i think i feel greatly overestimated in my 007 bond
capabilitys
but .
c'est la vie


many kind regards

francis

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[lace] k

[Francis Busschaert]

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Re: [lace-chat] :-) The hypnotist

[Francis Busschaert]

LOLL
it took me 3 minutes to understand it
but when it fel.
it fel

hihi



jeanette schreef:

The language is a bit of colour but I thought the joke was so funny that I
will risk it!
Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa.


It was entertainment night at the old age home. Claude the
hypnotist exclaimed: I'm here to put you into a trance; I intend to
hypnotize each and every member of the audience.

The excitement was almost electric as Claude withdrew a beautiful
antique pocket watch from his coat ' I want you each to keep your eye on
this antique watch. It's a very special watch. It's been in my family for
six generations '.

He began to swing the watch gently back and forth while quietly chanting, 
Watch the watch, watch the watch, and watch the watch


The crowd became mesmerized as the watch swayed back and forth, light 
gleaming off its polished surface. Hundreds of pairs of eyes followed

the swaying watch, until, suddenly, it slipped from the hypnotist's finger
and fell to the floor, shattering into a hundred pieces*. **SH**!**T* said
the Hypnotist.
 


* **It took three days to clean up the old age home.*
 

 


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[lace] lutac

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo,
does any one know were lutac lace originates?
and when?

and can anyone show me a website were i can find
new inspirational lutac works

kind regards

an extremly sunny day

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Re: [lace] Laceweight Yarn vs. Thread Thickness

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo,

what is this?

I have a great love of Sanquhar (and also Selbuvotter, which is less 3 ply 
specific).


it sound very Nordic or Irisch or does it make part of some other 
ancient knitting slang?

it even sounds to me like part a figure from lords of the ring


furthermore i want to say that the normal industry is split into 2 sections
knitting  and weaving  manufacturers
most are realy specialised in one or the other
and if you are in busines on the knitting industry
you will only find Nm mentionings
never fingering aran or others
in fact i have asked some producers the same question
they never heard about that aran laceweight etc
as far as they recollect they only have uesed Nm and in the old days 
they had 3 other numbers but then one of the region of limoges france 
told me that even that is a very very long time ago

Worsted numbers
Dewsbury numbers which are for the very thick counts
and the woolen numbers

i agree  100% on what brenda says
it is time to put the real numbers on the articles and not some own 
factory label

for making tit not easy to compare to other materials

all the links i got for reference do help a bit
to make a small chart

many thx to all

francis




Susan Reishus schreef:

Thank you for your letter. I noted your textile weights given on the list and 
appreciate it.

I have a bunch of British 4 ply by various vendors, inherited from a relative (I have 
Scottish/English ancestry but was born/live in the US), and 4 ply is definitely 
thicker; somewhere between fingering and sport (US terms).  I have addressed this 
with people/knitters who are considered expert in the industry and they all concur 
that fingering is finer than 4 ply and also place it between fingering and sport.  
Your explanation of fingering references in the UK perhaps explains a lot, but it is 
considered a valid description here, and now with the resurgence of sock yarns, is 
often now called fingering/sock yarn.  S

I agree that the lines have become blurred with perpetual transitions as the industry 
has had many resurgences this last century as trade and communication increases.  I 
have ordered inordinate amounts of yarn from Colourmart also and have to order what 
he calls 4 ply to get fingering to use for my designs and fingering sweater patterns. 
 I also collect knitting needles and have a predispositition toward a particiular UK 
needle so often have to merge the UK/US/mm size qualifications.  S

On the aside, do you know of a good source for 3 ply?  I have a great love of 
Sanquhar (and also Selbuvotter, which is less 3 ply specific).  Substitution of 
fingering/2 ply isn't always satisfactory since it if finer and because the 
design and more sophisticated glove pattern, yarn thickness (along with needles 
of course) are often the only way to control as most were knit with 3 ply.

TIA,
Susan Reishus 



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From: Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Laceweight Yarn vs. Thread Thickness
To: Susan Reishus elationrelat...@yahoo.com
Cc: l...@dont.panix.com
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 3:36 AM
Hello Sue


http://www.colourmart.com/eng/knowledge_base/knitting_properties;




The only challenge on the aside, is this chart
  

reverses the weights of 4 ply and fingering, as Richard of
Colourmart engaged a relatively novice knitter
when he started his business to help him set up the chart,
and she was unfamiliar with fingering.  4 ply typically
tends to be thicker than fingering, thought the lines have
blurred in all descriptions as knitting becomes more
international.
If the Nm sizes are correct and the 4 ply is Nm2/14 and the
fingering is Nm 3/14 then the chart is correct with 4 ply
finer than fingering.


Originally, fingering was 2 ply, and 4 ply was as
  

stated.  The old rule was that sport was doubled fingering,
and worsted was doubled sport, and the UK double knitting
falls between sport and worsted (5 sts per inch in
stockinette/stocking stitch).
In UK it used to be 2 ply, 3 ply and 4 ply which were just
that, getting thicker with each additional ply, double
knitting which was thicker but still with 4 plies and
occasionally Aran which was very thick.  Everyone knew what
the names meant and although manufacturers didn't like
to say so, one brand of 4 ply was very much like any other
brand of 4 ply.  Fingering meant a quality worsted which had
been carded and combed whilst 'ordinary' wools were
just combed.

Then synthetics (acrylic mainly) were introduced and they
started making all sorts of different yarns and also used
fewer but thicker plies (less spinning so cheaper to make!) 
Added to that the internet meant that lots of American yarns

and patterns became available.  Not only were the Americans
using a different numbering system for their needles, but
they also used different descriptions for their yarns.  No
wonder people got confused!

The needle sizing 

[lace] Re: Lace weight wool in NM

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo mr Bazar,

yes that is what i was realy looking for
those numbers do say me a lot and now all fals into perfect place
many many thanx

and congratulations whit you perfect legs
unfortunatly mother nature was not so kind to me...
i now do need to pink a tear away


francis

Leonard Bazar schreef:

Dear Francis
 
The Shetland wool spinners of whom I am a satisfied customer, but otherwise  unconnected, give what I think are the details you require.  The website is www.shetlandwool.org, and clicking on “products” gets you to the wools.  The “lace weight” yarns are dyed, the one-ply being 1/14.5NM, the two-ply 2/14.5NM.  The “Shetland Supreme” ones also have lace weights, one-ply being 1/16NM, two-ply2/16NM.  I hope this does mean enough to you; there are some other statistics which I also don’t understand.
 
From a practical point of view, the Supreme is worsted spun and undyed, the range of colours (including black, grey and a dark brown) are what the sheep come in, and works up much finer than the ordinary dyed.  Using the ordinary, I get a tension of 44st to 10 cm on 1.75mm needles, and use 108st for a sock for a small but perfectly-formed leg (mine).  The Supreme, admittedly on 1.5mm needles to get a suitable fabric, requires 180st.
 
 
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[lace] measure problems

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo to all
i have an other question
it is also knitting related

on that knitting event in Holland were i found those lovely knitting 
needles i was also there as an seller of our threads
and quite often we were confronted whit a question i did not directly 
had an aswer for
they asked if it was laceweight, and other teminolegy concerning the 
thickness of the threads
i have to say i m very good in conversions in Nm Nec linnen wool deniers 
etc but thatone is again an other kind of mesurements i did not know
i have googled for it but did not find until now a good conversion 
towards Nm or other known numbers i can relate to


so i hope, as most of you are not only bobbin or needle lacers,
but generaly whit a very broad horison  in textiles
and can be considered as the real genuan textile-maniacs / 
filo-maniac like myself (they say its a mental desease that keeps you 
from the streets)

and so that you can solf the problem

so is there any out in the virtual world
knowing exactly how its working from those laceweight towards real Nm or 
Nec or den measures?

or and that is what i have found until now onn the net
they give a kind of fork/interval of numbers were that kind of thread 
could be pinpointed in


many thax in advance

francis
kortrijk
belgium
the sun is shining
the crocus flowers are getting open
the first signs of summer

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[lace] Chinese Panda chewchew

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all
i want to thank aal wo hellped me in the wooden needle question

i was on a textile event this weekend and we could sample all possible 
and unpossible wooden needles


as i was not aware of the difference before i can only say that i am 
asstonished about the difference

i have to retake my offensife words to wards the bamboo needles
until now i only knew bamboo needles which are hoorible
i think they are made in china and were the leftovers from the chewchew 
of some panda reservate.

i have seen now bamboo needles and knitted on them and we
they are a world of difference of what i used to see as bamboo needles

so yo can see how a man can be misled
and that alone on bamboo
one wunders what else i am misled about

anyway
i adjusted my viewings on bamboo
and know i know that the bamboo needles i had before in can only use 
them to use on the grill/barbeque in july


so thanks to all for the help
and i must say that my favorites are now the christal palace kneedles

francis
in belgium
kortrijk

not so cold anymore
not so wet anymore

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Re: [lace] numbers of knitting needles

[Francis Busschaert]

AHA
and suddenly ther was light
sorry i wrongly read and  understood this gauge thingh
now i do get it
luckely one of you 'jane in particular' did understand my not 
understanding of the words
i have no problem finding the correct needel numbers or even if there 
are no numbers on it
but somehow i end up using again and again the same needles like a 4   6 
 9 and 15 metric numbers
so i wanted to order some in the big USA and then i wanted to be sure 
about what i buy

as i wanted it to match my most uesed numbers..

but indeed i have seen those gauges before in several shops in belgium
but as i recolect, they only refer to the metric system
i never seen any refering to other number systems
but anyway i had my doughts
there must be more then one system in handknitting
because i know that in machine needles we do have already 3 differnd 
systems of numbering

flatknitting versus round kniting machines versus braiding needles etc etc

so i beleven Isabel is still sleeping
and will indeed be puzzled by my question
luckely this is solved in the same time of her beautysleep

so sorry isabel
and thanks to you Jane

francis






Jane Partridge schreef:
In message 498fbf69.3070...@telenet.be, Francis Busschaert 
francis.busscha...@telenet.be writes

hallo mrs Isabel,

why do you say that?
i m intrigued now because you are the first of a long list sayning this



Isabel Wear schreef:
Of all the purchases I have made for knitting over the years, the 
best, by

far is the metallic knitting gauge.  It is THE tool for any knitter.


I think what Isabel (and likely the others) is suggesting you obtain 
is a gauge for measuring the size of knitting needles - possibly the 
one she mentions not only gives a hole to measure each size needle but 
also lists the equivalent sizes against each?


The wooden needles I have (given to me years ago; I have no idea of 
their maker or type of wood) didn't have their numbers on them to 
start with - we have had to mark them, and due to the year we were 
given them they are numbered in the old UK system. Needles we buy now 
are all sized in millimetres. It can get confusing when you have old 
and new needles together - particularly around the (old) size 5 and 6 
region!


I have two gauges - both old, one a plastic square which was free with 
one of the women's magazines years ago. It has holes to measure the 
needles, a ruler along one edge, and an inch-square hole for you to 
check your tension. The other, bought with some fine crochet hooks, 
sewing needles, etc from an antique shop, is brass, with a graded 
width slit down the centre - marks etched alongside the slot at 
intervals give the needle size - this goes down to extremely small 
sizes. Both are numbered to the old UK system. The gauges are useful 
when checking the size of double ended or circular needles - for some 
reason these are less likely to have their size on them!


Of course, unless the gauge gives the different numbering systems you 
will need a chart to convert between the three systems in use.





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Re: [lace] numbers of knitting needles

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo mrs Isabel,

why do you say that?
i m intrigued now because you are the first of a long list sayning this
i must admit that mostly i do not use needles but i use a computerised 
industrial machine

but now and then i do a bit of sampling on the classic way
it is very fast for looking for colour matshing and effects of fantasy 
threads


the reason i was looking for wooden knitting needles is that I have now 
a pear of german ebony

needles and they feel so njammy to work in
it is like you are not carrying those needles
hard to explain in a foreign language
but I feel like a knitting princes altough i am a knitting farmer
i think that after some soulsearshing i can say that it is to put away 
the feel of the industrial side of my activitys

metal and industry  versus wood and nature

so that is way i was looking if there are other wood needles on the market
and apperently there are a lot but .. a lot of differend ones
differend touches, differnd woods and grains
If i look to the metal ones I used to work in:
Like the prym metal needels and other similar ones
i sometimes have the feel that they are to heavy
and not pleasant enough in my hands
they feel cold and clinical death
it is again between the ears ofcourse but.

Bart always looks to those matters in an other way
he says it is a kind of snobisme
i do not agree

but if you have a real reason and not emotional ones like i have.
i am one and all ears
and i forgat to mention that the tik tak noise of the woods are like the 
risling of willows in the wind

and the metal kling klang tsching, well  it bothers me

francis





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Subject: [lace] numbers of knitting needles

hallo to all
i need a fast answer
is the knitting needle numbering from USa american   needles the same 
as the numbers we use in europe

here a number 10 is 10mm dimameter
is this the same in the USA or is there quite a difference

many kind regards

francis

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[lace] numbers of knitting needles

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all
i need a fast answer
is the knitting needle numbering from USa american   needles the same 
as the numbers we use in europe

here a number 10 is 10mm dimameter
is this the same in the USA or is there quite a difference

many kind regards

francis

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[lace] wooden knitting needles

[Francis Busschaert]

ok,
now i know
i was not sure but..
better to be sure then to be sorrow afterwards
thanks to all for the fast help

an other question
does anyone know a good label of high quality wood knitting needles
and please no bamboo ones i hate them
for not using other words...

until now i have found

www.lanternmoon.com
they look fabulous but a bit pricy

many kind regards

francis

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Re: [lace] wooden knitting needles

[Francis Busschaert]

I from belgium

but i m just an email from you away
and these days the world is around the corner

i have seen those brittnay needles
may i say i do not like them just visual
they do not appeal to me because they look a bit meatloaf like
i know beeing picky and crazy can eb considered an illnes but
it is one whom just itches a bit nothingh more
sorry.
i am one of those looking first of all how it looks liek then
how it works like
so if in that following order the looks are a no go
the rest does not matter anymore

do not forget ladys
i m a man
not a woman
most of you say we do think differend
it is even written in a bad book men mars woman venus

c'est la vie

kind regardss

ajrd barron schreef:
I like knit picks, see here, sorry I'm not sure where you are, this is 
a UK site

http://www.getknitted.com/acatalog/Knit_Picks_2.html
jenny


On 6 Feb 2009, at 15:34, Francis Busschaert wrote:


ok,
now i know
i was not sure but..
better to be sure then to be sorrow afterwards
thanks to all for the fast help

an other question
does anyone know a good label of high quality wood knitting needles
and please no bamboo ones i hate them
for not using other words...

until now i have found

www.lanternmoon.com
they look fabulous but a bit pricy

many kind regards

francis

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[lace] opendoor days

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all
i dare to put this on the arachne chat
because it is not just me selling
but also a marvelous, i even will tell you a more then fabulous
exposition whit works from Mariet Visser
a dutch queen of modern lace
specialised in 3-dimensional multi layer laces
you just have to see it


we have the  opendoor-day
this coming weekend
the place to be is
Kortrijk
Belgium
saterday-sunday
from 9.30h-16.30h

so if you are in the neaghbourhood
you are more then welcome

francis

from bart  francis

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Re: [lace] lemongrass Obama dress

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo to all
I m a bit lost now
ok i might be lightly blond but still..
even then i can not follow anymore

could one of the smart ones enlighten me what it is?
is it lace net basis uesed for the felting of the wool merinos elements?
or what is it now
and how does retournac fit in all of this?


many kind regards

francis

very strong winds
unplaisant sticky wet rain
cold
dark
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custom guipure, translate into chemical lace??  Susan in Grassy Key

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Re: [lace] Thread Identification

[Francis Busschaert]

hi hallo,
an other small test is fire
just burn a bit
and smell
if it smells like paper it will be cotton or linnen or hemp (could be 
hemp if you say it is that old, hemp was sometimes trangly more 
available then linnen)
then you do the Brenda  magnifying test for making the difference to 
long (linnen) and short staples (cotton)


if it smells quite burned plastic ..well. c'est la vie
if it smells like you are burning hear or burning pigs skin
then you might think it is raw silk

francis
belgium
no more freezing
now it is raining
and wet
and dirty
...


laceandb...@aol.com schreef:

Delores,
Two other factors can make thread stiff; one is the amount of twist.  There 
was a cotton thread called Unity that was around when I started making lace 
(about 30 years ago) which was *the thread* for Bucks as it was highly twisted 
and the lace made with it was *crisp*.


Some threads are starched on the reel; Gutterman's cotton quilting thread is 
one.  This is starched to make it smooth to sew with, but when it is washed it 
fluffs up a tid and is much softer.  Disappointing for lacemaking if you 
weren't expecting it.


Linen thread on the reel often doesn't feel that much different to cotton.  
It is when you was if and iron it damp with a hot iron that the difference 
shows.  Linen feels like it has been starched.  

Brenda's tip about looking at the length of the individual fibres is probably 
the best and easiest, but I do also wonder if it might be poly-cotton.  Most 
of the threads on large plastic cones are industrial threads so although that 
doesn't exclude cotton and linen, it is also very likely that it is at least 
partly synthetic.  If that is the case, we need to go back to Brenda again and 
ask if polyester used for a cotton look-alike sewing thread is continuous 
filament or short staple.  

No reason you can't use it for lacemaking (sharp intake of breath from the 
purists, perhaps).  In fact if you ever want to mount lace on poly-cotton fabric 
it makes sense to use a compatible thread for the lace.  When you came to 
wash and iron, the care instructions are the same for both.  Malvary and I have 
several blouses of Mum's, with applied lace, and some are cotton thread, some 
polyester, but they all look just as good 20 or so years on.


Jacquie in England

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Re: [lace] Mixing fibres and gimp question

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo to all,

hi Jane, that idea of handing down the washing instructions is a real 
marvelous idea

i think it might be even a perfect part of the design
why not embroider the washing instructions on the gown?
I think it is a real good idea
and a modern touch to the total work

besides the problem of linnen or cotton
you can always choose for a not 100% pure linnen or cotton
if you whoose a halfmix you can overcome sometimes the problems of
shrinking or deforming, that is in the first place the reason why they 
began making

mixes of materials in the old-days
plus if you take a mixed thread of linnen and other materials
you have less and less nobs of horrifyinglinnen structures
...

francis


Jane Partridge schreef:
In message 654178.80006...@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com, Dona Bushong 
dmbush...@yahoo.com writes
My first question concerns the thread.  The pattern calls for 
Egyptian Cotton
80/2.  As I said though, I'm putting this on linen.  Does one usually 
mix

fibers for the lace and fabric?   I know from knitting and spinning that
mixing of fibers can give different results when it comes to 
laundering.  And
as I hope this will get passed down from my daughters to their 
children, will
the different fibers age differently? 


I'm working a Bucks piece (a one-off, of my own design) at the moment 
and using linen thread which is at the thick end of comfortable for 
the grid - when I hit a slub it is hard going. (Yes, I know, I could 
have used a larger grid but I want a denser effect on this one, I also 
have reasons for the thread choice!). The particular thread (Texere's 
Galway Linen) behaves the same as DMC Broder Machine - untwists with 
the movement of the bobbins so I have to keep a constant watch that 
the threads are not about to fall apart on me (which has happened a 
couple of times).


I personally prefer to use a glazed cotton for Bucks, but find the 
William Hall 80/2 cotton produces a good result without the untwisting 
problem.


As a weaver, you will know that there is a difference in the handle 
of the finished lace between lace and linen - and the same will go for 
the robe itself. The amount of drape and creasing you want may be a 
deciding factor between the two fabrics. If the robe is likely to be 
used in a hot climate, then fine linen may be a good choice, but 
cotton fabric may be a lot easier to care for and may give a nicer 
feel against the baby's skin.


Because you cannot expect to be there when your gr.gr.gr.gr 
grandchildren are using the robe, I would go for a match between 
fabric and lace threads, to make washing/care as easy as possible for 
someone who may not have our knowledge, and would definitely not add 
the hassle of having to remove the lace from the robe before washing, 
then put it back, to the schedule of a busy new mother who may not be 
the best of needlewomen!  Handing down washing instructions with the 
robe is a good idea, as long as it is kept up to date with the 
availability of washing products over the next hundred-or-so years.


We have two robes - one made from my mother-in-law's (cotton) wedding 
dress, worn by my husband and eldest daughter, and a smocked silk robe 
and bonnet I made for my younger daughter (before I started making lace).


As for the effect of the gimp round the honeycomb, without seeing the 
pattern, I would work a small sample first, looking at the effect of 
doubling and stop-start, and decide which looks best. Double would at 
least mean that the threads are continuous, and less likely to come 
astray over the washings to come!




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[lace] other chat groups like ours?

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo, Spiders,

deos there exist a Embroidery chat or an other equvalent of us in 
other textile groups?


many thx

francis
kortrijk
other chat groupsbelgium

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Re: [lace] other chat groups like ours?

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo Norma,

well i was looking forward to have a look on the groups
but the link does not realy seem to work

didyou have the correct weblink copied?


many thx in advance

francis
belgium


Norma Harris schreef:

Hi Francis,
Are you looking for something like this?
     http://groups.com/group/hand-embroidery/
We'd love to have you join us!
Norma

http://normasneedlez.blogspot.com
http://sistersstitching.blogspot.com
NATA #847

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Hallo, Spiders,

deos there exist a Embroidery chat or an other equvalent of us in
other textile groups?

many thx

francis
kortrijk
other chat groupsbelgium

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Re: [lace] re: horsehair in lace

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo to all,

horsehair is my DADA,
my thing of intrest
if you want to clean horsehair
you will use of course kerosine
it is the fuel of arirplains
not so easy to get at but it is that what we use
for affimageoil = you could say the same as cremeshompoo for hair
it gives a second third or more yought to the hair
and it is not damaging for any natural fibres
after a good dry it evens completly vannish in thin air
you will probably say he is crazy . but i can assure you it does the 
work in 2 steps
it gives again a certain souplesse tot the hair and works as a 
rejouvinating aspeckt

(if only i could use it on myself.)
and it also rinise the filth dirt of it
the only SMAL problem you ca have is when you have coloured materials in 
the work
then the colours can depending on the kind o pigments used begin running 
any direction
but until now i have never seen a hair work in differend colurs cotton 
silk or what ever throuh it
mostly in hair works the natural colour of the hair is what works best 
of all


Also if you have problems working bobbinlace in horsehair because it is 
to rigid

add some drops on the bobins and the hairs
you will be astonished by the result of easyer working  conditions
the smell well you have to think you are ready to fly...



francis




phil powis schreef:

 What lovely snippets turnup here!

Reading about the fate of washed horsehair n lace reminded me of the helpful
hints for washing lace in Therese de Dillmonts Encyclopaedia of Needlework
first pub. 1886? but dont know if the hints were added or modified later. She
recommends that soiled lace be soaked overnight in olive oil to remove grime
and restore suppleness - then boil in a pan of water with pure soap until
clean, rinse in water and dry still wrapped around the bottle to retain shape
and prevent shrinking.

So perhaps , if horsehair was incorporated in the lace and it was soaked and
boiled like this the keratin would be denatured a bit and become kinked rather
like perming our own hair.

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Re: [lace] hitches straws

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo Mvr Siegbert,

fur ein oder den anderen ursache laden die fotos nicht auf
ich versteche es auch nicht so gut
ich versuche es montag noch mahl neu auf das internet zu publicieren
hoffendlich gheht es dan doch sichtbar sein

die knoten ist echt ein reines wunder
sehr einfach und das gibt sie den moglichheit fur shon weiter su 
arbeiten mit glates materiaal


grusse

francis



Achim Siebert schreef:

Hello Francis,

Am 20.08.2008 um 09:30 schrieb Francis Busschaert:


their is a special silk-knot i learn all people wanting to see it
i promise to put it as fast as possible on the internet to show to 
all of you

i do not have a camera so it will be still fotos


Since I did a little Bucks bookmark in silk last weekend I had another 
look on your Zijde Knoop page - unfortunately, none of the pictures 
mentioned in the text are visible. Is it an error on the webpage or 
did you just not get around to complete the page?


Looking forward to see how you do it - some of my bobbins tend to 
loosen with the slippery silk, even with a double or triple hitch on 
them.


Best, Achim in autumnal Berlin.

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Re: [lace] Re: Mixing Threads

[Francis Busschaert]

I have an other text in my mothertonghe
it is about my own work and my motivations for doing it
it took a wile for making it in my own language
i parcialy explain why i do some experiments and to what cause i do them
this is about weaving but it could be knitting, lace, crochet frivolite 
(i sill can't manage!) and all other textiel techniques


i am so sorry for all whom do not speak Nederlands but i hope someone 
will put it through a translation program and hopfully it does

come out a bit as intended
but i am quite ok whit the possible result
it is afterall blabla on art so even puting through a translaterprogramm
nothingh can realy go wrong anyway...





 Uitleg bij mijn textiel



Het zoeken naar structuren en die zo sterk mogelijk proberen weer te 
geven is een aspect die in al mijn werk terugkeert. Zowel in mijn 
textiel als in mijn edelsmeedkunst is het een blijvend zoeken naar vorm, 
kleur, textuur, structuur, schaduw…


De technieken en verworven kennis van de verschillende disciplines 
vullen dat zoeken aan.


Het ene medium vult het andere eigenlijk aan.


Textiel wordt nog teveel als een vlak, 2-D gebeuren beschouwd. Een 
tekening op een ondergrond, eerder als een schilder zijn canvas benut. 
Een aanbrengen van vlakken, platte figuren op een vlak geheel.


Dit dus zonder echt door te dringen in de essentie van textiel, zijnde 
opbouw van vezels.


Voor mij is textiel een aaneenschakeling van vezels. Vezels die een 
zekere dikte, vorm, kleur geur, en aanvoelen hebben. Die vezels vormen 
de basis en die basis heeft dus een sterk 3-dimensioneel karakter. Het 
lijkt me dan ook volstrekt zonde om dat 3-D karakter weg te weven, te 
breien of te manipuleren in een vlak 2-dimensioneel stuk textiel.


De essentie van mijn textielvisie is spelen met dat 3-D gevoel en het 
pogen te benadrukken in het eindresultaat, het zoeken naar een ideale 
structuur, het zodanig manipuleren van ketting en inslag om een stuk op 
zich te bekomen. Van daar dat ik vrij snel onconventionele 
inrijgpatronen ga toepassen, geen rekening wil houden met de geldende 
regels van vlotters, bindingsleer, garendikte die je wel en niet kunt 
benutten bij zus en zo’n binding.


Door tegen de regels van de geldende textiel in te gaan kom ik vrij 
onwaarschijnlijk zeer dicht te staan bij de oude barokke en middeleeuwse 
traditie van textiel. Ook zij waren zeer sterk geneigd om dat 3-D gevoel 
in hun textiel weer te geven. Geldende regels van dikte en bindingen was 
ook iets dat praktisch onbestaande was. Het geeft me een zeker gevoel 
van vrijheid en tevens van verbondenheid met de eeuwenoude 
textieltraditie van onze westerse beschaving. Een soort van “back to the 
roots” gevoel.



De reden waarom ik in sjaals werk is hoofdzakelijk omdat ik een zekere 
bezetenheid heb met sjaals. Ze boeien me mateloos, de manier waarop je 
ze kunt dragen, wikkelen, draperen op het lichaam, heeft schier geen 
grenzen. Ik poog ze zo te maken dat ze zelfs, zonder drager/lichaam als 
ondergrond, een object op zich zijn.


Het is niet zo evident om textiel boeiend te blijven houden in een sjaal.

Een proeflapje is meestal 30cm * 30cm.

Daarentegen is een sjaal ongeveer 200cm lang, hier moet je dan ook 200cm 
blijven boeien.


Voor mij is de uitdaging groter.

Het vergt gewoonweg meer van mezelf.

En uiteindelijk is dat het ultieme zoeken.

Je eigen streven, normen en waarden blijven verleggen.

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Re: [lace] Re: Mixing Threads

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo mrs Clay and Mrs Jeri,

i do agree for a big part what Mrs Jeri says and i also do agree very 
much what

you Mrs Clay say
i have a certain ambiguity about this subject
why? well.. some tempted to experiment only for experimenting
i am completly against it
i have an academic beckground in this matter whom formed me to what i am 
now

we learned to do experimenting only in fuction of certain designs
not just for the fun of the experiment
so... in that matter id do agree whit mrs jeri if she says you need to 
take threads as such and do whit it what the tread is intended for

but ofcourse you have the artist/profesinal bricoleur hobbywoman-man
some people hav it in them to take a dogshit and turn it in to 
somethingh you will say WAW this is magificant
(sorry for the words) but unfortunatly most of thos art-wizards are 
very rare to find
so i have to agree that sometimes for some people it is better to stick 
to their tricotin or what ever

no this sounds humongusly pretensious and it may not sound like this at all
because I AM a man from the future and for advence and inovation but 
whitin guidelines

just taken straw to work whit straw is ok for a sample wut what afterwards
what will you do whit it?
for me it is important if you do the straw thing, you need it to do into 
a project
make in your mind an idea why you want to work straw and what you are 
aiming from result
look to the result and see what went wrong or wht is ok and what needs 
to go better


i will be lasy i will graft herunder a text in Nederlands my 
mothertonghe and hope that someone will translate it

it is a brief text of what to do how to do for makeing some experiments
it is not a marvelmous text but it is a great guideline
it is called the real challenge of beiing creative


i know ther are translating motors out there on the www but i never 
found one

well let us say my talents are defenatly not ENGLISH and not COMPUTERS

hahahaha
please feel free to coment i would love some input in this subject
if the text under does not appear i can put it somewhere else

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Re: [lace] Re: Mixing Threads

[Francis Busschaert]

this is the first text but it diod not pass sorry

francis



*De ware uitdagingen van het creatief zijn*
*Verschil tussen kunst en ambacht?*


In het verleden is zelf nu nog word heel veel geschreven over het 
verschil en wat kunst nu echt kunst maakt. Een eenvoudig antwoord is er 
niet. Wel kunnen we verschillende strekking waarnemen binnen deze 
filosofische vraag. Merendeel van deze strekking hebben een consensus 
gevonden in de volgende stelling :

“Kunst is op zich het overstijgen van een bepaalde techniek,ambacht.”
“Het verheffen tot een hoger goed”
Daarnaast heb je een radicale strekking die kunst ziet als een puur 
maatschappelijk gegeven van


*De principes van het creëren*


Voor velen onder ons lijkt het niet evident dat ontwerpen op zich in 
drie kleine gouden regels te vertalen valt. Het lijkt absurd dat je met 
deze drie principes bijna alles kunt vertalen, verklaren en valideren. 
Let wel, dat ik duidelijk stel “bijna” alles. Er zullen altijd 
buitenbeentjes zijn maar die zijn zeldzaam. Het zijn die buitenbeentjes 
die de kunstwereld doen daveren op hun grondvesten en zorgen voor het 
evolueren naar een andere denken en zijn. Dus zeldzaam! U en ik vallen 
daar dus niet onder.
Wat volgt zal een klein overzicht zijn van de drie regels en hoe je ze 
praktisch kunt vertalen tot werkbare instrumenten.


*Steeds je thema verwerken als leidraad*


Indien je ergens aan wil beginnen moet je een thema hebben.
Een thema zorgt voor een gestructureerde benadering van een gegeven.
Nu moet je niet denken dat een thema iets is wat je zomaar kiest.
In de academies wordt de eerste 3 jaar het zoeken naar je eigenheid op 
die manier gestuurd. En slechts een paar vinden hun DING. Velen vinden 
het nooit.
Leer experimenteren met die thema’s en voel aan wat je er goed in vind 
en wat niet. Probeer een paar eenvoudige als India, Japan, bloemen, 
bergen…. En probeer dan eens de echte moeilijke thema’s toe te passen 
zoals een kleur wit zwart, een begrip haat, liefde of zelfs een vorm 
vierkant kubus…..
Je zult zien dat thema’s als India zeer snel tot een resultaat leiden 
omdat we als mensen met clichés over India zitten. Je zult ontwerpen 
zien van bekende Indische motieven, herkenbare poses met handen en hoofd. …
Het is echter een totaal ander iets om een vorm te geven aan een kleur. 
Kleuren associëren we niet direct aan een vorm en toch kan het. Hoe geef 
ik liefde weer zonder er duidelijk een gestileerd hartje in te 
verwerken? Kan het? Natuurlijk!
Het komt er vooral op neer om dagdagelijkse voor geprogrammeerde 
denkpatronen te analyseren en te doorbreken.


*Minder is meer*


Nadat je ernstig hebt nagedacht over het thema/onderwerp en daar reeds 
ver in verdiept zit moet je een idee hebben wat je ermee wil doen/bereiken.
Dat idee moet je vertalen uit je praktisch gerichte voorontwerpen en 
studies die je gedaan hebt rond je thema/onderwerp. Daar haal je HET 
ding uit. Je steek alles in de centrifuge steekt de stekker in en duwt 
op de knop. En voila, het resultaat. Je zult zien dat bij de echte 
kunstennaar dat steeds een vereenvoudiging is van zijn voorontwerpen. 
Dat heten ze dan ook het stileren van je gedachten. Ga steeds tot het 
uiterste om alles wat overbodig is omtrent je thema weg te laten. Zodat 
je een zuiver thema overhoud. Dat zijn steeds de zuiverste ontwerpen.


*Alles moet een doel/functie hebben*

Indien je in dat ontwerp een krul wil bijtekenen moet je daar een reden 
voor hebben, een reden die perfect past in het kader van je 
onderwerp/thema. Zonder deze doelgerichte functie ben je stuurloos bezig 
je ontwerp te verknoeien. Let wel degelijk op dat ik hier nu krullen, 
tierlantijntjes en dergelijke pierlawietjes niet zit af te breken he. 
Rococo barok etc hebben dit in hun denken zitten. En toch zelfs daar 
hebben ze een welbepaalde functie en noodzaak van bestaan in het 
ontwerp. Een teveel en het gehele werk is ook omzeep.


*Voorbeelden*
*Help ik ben extreem blond op gebied van ontwerpen!!!*
Paniekeer nooit!

Zie niet direct af van het zelf eens iets te proberen.
Durf je lot in eigen handen te nemen.
GA ervoor!!

Uiteindelijk zal de wereld niet stilstaan als het mislukt.
En heel belangrijk, leer uit iets wat niet geslaagd is.
En veel belangrijker!!
Kijk of je er niet eens iets mee kunt experimenteren!!
Je kan toch niets meer mis doen?!
Eenvoudig te volgen regels

Kleur

Indien je kleurenblind zou zijn en je durft niet te experimenteren met 
kleuren begin dan eens met één totaal gek kleur. Maak er een volledig 
werk in. Je zult aangenaam verrast zijn van het resultaat. Durf je al 
iets meer neem er twee. Kleuren hoeven op zich niet echt bij elkaar te 
passen.
Dit klinkt echt wel als een vloek in velen hun oren maar toch is dit een 
waarheid als een koe. Er bestaan zoveel kleurenleren die je van alles 
laten zien, voelen en denken over kleur dat je uiteindelijk bij alles 
wel een draai of zwaai kunt geven in een of andere 
pseudo-wetenschappelijke benadering. Moraal van het verhaal. 

[lace] hitches straws

[Francis Busschaert]

Be aware of straws !
for the USA people under us their should be reading now under the text 
do not do this at home!


SO be aware of straws!!
they can cause more dammage then doing any good to your work
mostly it is of fine plastic/plastoïde material
whit extra harding compounds to make it tough for drinking/sipping
now because of the toughness of the plastic it works quite offen like a 
knif on your threads
if you use very fine silks made of flos silk/ continuous silk you can 
have very very unwanted fibres cuttings and so you get

some fluffyness on the threads
beleve me a catastrophe general total

their is a special silk-knot i learn all people wanting to see it
i promise to put it as fast as possible on the internet to show to all 
of you

i do not have a camera so it will be still fotos

all whom i learned it say WOW  is it that simple
yes it is and it is a world of difference
some are more underneath their table looking for the unwounded bobins
and rewinding them then making lace


i have the very unwanted feeling that to many people do not know the 
basic of lace

they can make binche
vallencienne and most other extremly time consuming laces but the real basic
before you start is mostly lacking..

in most of their minds they are here (in the payed classes) to do lace
not to wound bobbins..
mostly they do it at home between their patatoe peeling and the 
carots-scrapping

that gives an idea of how important they think it is
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!
it is of the uttermost importancel!!!
that is were the catastrophe general total begins
and not the sice of the bobin
the color of the bobin
the extra head or what ever
nope
no no

i promise to put the fotos on a website this weekend
it will be in english, well you knwo my english (Belgo-beneluxenglish)
but you will nderstand

kind regards

francis




Karen schreef:

That's what I used the straws for but it didn't work for me! Perhaps the
bobbins we use here have  necks that are too thick for straws, but yesterday
I came across two straws which are much thicker than usual, so I washed them
and kept them to try again!
Karen

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That is an excellent video of how to do hitches.

I have used the split straws when using a metallic thread, - when the thread
had a mind of it's own!  It worked very well.

Regards from Liz in cold, grey, Melbourne
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Re: [lace] tatting ytube

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo Isabel,

yes i did the needle tatting
but it is so boring.
there is no real adrenalline involved
it is like swimming on your airmatras
good for a moment but then you had it

i have seen many others making frivolitee
seeing all the shuttles dangling down
the fast furious movements
the sudden picot
then they do the bizare thingh on the pinky (in the film called the baby 
finger)

and hupsa voila they have done a round and do have a nice flower figure
and before you looked close enough to understand ...
up down up down
picot
flip flop flip flop
hupsa second flowerd
that old lady looks then to you broad smiling
but actualy saying without words
 oh darling you did not catsh it, was I the old $µ$µ$µ$µ to fast?
that is the moment i feel so stupid look smiling back and say  very nice
well you all understand the scene i described.

in short
well for me that was magic
i always found it marvelous
to make whit almost nothingh of material  somethingh nice
it is like knitting on your fingers whitout the help of needles
only your hands , thread and your fantasy
i can do entire pulovers, boonets etc

anyway
many thanx for all the good information
and i will practice the moment i have somethingh
which does not hearts the eye i will put it on the internet

francis






Isabel Wear schreef:

An idea: have you tried the needle-tatting??, is a much simpler and
efficient way to tatting. 


Isabel Wear
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Subject: [lace] tatting ytube

Hallo to all,

does anyone know a ytube-link were you can follow very easy
and understanding the movments for tating?
I do not seem to get the transfer movement correctly done
my flowers looks like horrible thissels-thinghs

many thx in adv

francis

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[lace] tatting ytube

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo to all,

does anyone know a ytube-link were you can follow very easy
and understanding the movments for tating?
I do not seem to get the transfer movement correctly done
my flowers looks like horrible thissels-thinghs

many thx in adv

francis

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[lace] very large tatting needle?

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo to all
i have a question
You all knwo that one can do frivolite (tatting) with needles
i have seen somewhere in the past
a website were you could buy large (very large) tatting needles

say about 2milim diametre or even more

does anyone knwo about were i could find this?
why? i have a very nice Dutch lady askink for this
on the link you can see what she wants to do
now she uses u crochtneedle for it

http://foto.weefshop.be/#home

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Re: [lace] Another OIDFA clip - with ME

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo to all,

it just works fine
no problem what so ever
for those not speaking dutch:
it is the general bla bla bla of an newspaperboy asking
do you not become confused of all those bobins
she says no it is easy  it is relaxing.
and then some comment of the general age over 60years old persons
very funny is the moment they zoom in to a lot of older ladys bums 
(sorry i do not know of other more refined words for it)

you see of course that it are women backbumsbotoms..
and they say all are women and then you have an interview whit a man 
whom says it is also accepted in the UK for man..

other words:

all the cliches that news and non lace/textiel persons will like to hear

the most pity is they do not mention anny novelty
nor sowuing any real modern lace


francis

Clay Blackwell schreef:
I have Windows, but could only get the initial box to open...  no 
voice, no video!!  So I don't think we can blame our platforms at this 
point.  Sounds more like a malfunction in their news department 
equipment.


Clay

Nicole Gauthier wrote:

Hello everybody!

Well, the video plays on my Mac and I could even see and hear one of 
our Arachne friends from Belgium, Magda Malisse. Great! I happened to 
know Magda whn we were in the same Mechlin class in the Kantcentrum.


Nicole, on a beautiful day in Kirkland, Qc, Canada

Le 08-07-05 à 22:05, Tamara P Duvall a écrit :


Alack and alas! This one would not play for me; requires Windows 
Media Player, which my Mac refuses to acknowledge.






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Re: [lace] Threads for Thomas Lester lace

[Francis Busschaert]

Dear Mrs Sally,

please do not compare the products used for weaving  towards lace.
The reason way is that in weaving you have a lot of fibres and such 
possible attachement fibres for making the products kling to it
in lace you have almost no cloth, you create openings rather then weaved 
colsures.

So what is used in profs...
the same as is used for 100dres of years
WATERBASE:
sugar
cornflower
patatoflower

ALCOHOLBASE:
Shellack
or other Pinethree based GUM
and thraditional GUMMA arabica
(the shellack and gumma you will find mostly in silk thulle like products
like it is mostly sold for bridalwear , here yo can mostly clean and 
only gradualy it will loos stability)


Buthylalcohol bases
and these are the extra strong ones but also the extra dangerous ones
because buthylalcohol is considered an cancerougenous product
petrolbases resins.
you can clean as oft as you want it will not do anythingh

WHAT is the difference??
the waterbase is the most natural and also the most difficult
the stronger you want your textile
the more times you need to repeat the proces of applying it to the 
textile over and over again
BUT in the end your textile stays  unspoiled you can reinice it and 
will have again

your natural peace of textile
That is the minuspoint of the 2 others
you apply it and that is it it will sty there  for ever

mostly in machine lace they will use a polymer which resambles serisine 
(silk gleu)
but again the professional will look towards what is the enduse for the 
lace.
if a special highend marked lace for haute couture it deos not matter 
they willnot clean it afterwards
however if you make it for underwear.. well most persons will want 
to clean it regulary (normaly)
there they will use no product at all i know that you are a bit 
startled now  but there they will take an other sort of threads or add 
some special threads

for makeing it stick and stay like intended.
you are all woman out here so it will be easy to explain
take one of your more fancy BH's
if you have picots on the edges and you take a magnifier and look how it 
is made you will see
that it has no reason stay in shape because in the machine picot is 
not made like we make a picot
so way does it stay anyway like a picot? because in some of the 
threads there are  thermofixing fibres
which stick together when after the machine lace is made just ironing it 
will make it stay in form  and that is moqtly forever

mostly  in all textiles you will find of theses fibres
even in some 100% pure natural ones
because 100% does not realy mean 100%
it all depends of the origine of the producing country.


the moral of it all is
do not just look to the finished product and ask yourself what starsh 
did they use?

but rather start to look what kind of fibers did they use to start from?
Because not all natural fibres can be made strong in the same way

and as Mrs Sally was mentioning in her analyse of cotton
you have cotton cotton and cotton.


francis













Sally Schoenberg schreef:

Ordinarily I wouldn't dream of disagreeing with Barbara Underwood, but in the
case of thread, I disagree with her.  I've made Bedfordshire with Brok,
Egyptian, and Finca.  My lace made with Finca was nice and stiff unwashed, but
after rinsing it in water, drying and pressing it, it turned into soft fuzzy
lace.  Rinse lace made with Brok thread in water, dry it and mangle or press
it, and it is as limp as Egyptian.  The main difference between Brok and
Egyptian, I am convinced, is the sizing.  Finca, I think, is an inferior
thread made with short bits of cotton that has been coated with a strong
sizing that is effective only until the first washing.  I don't use Finca at
all anymore.

This is a subject I've been thinking about for awhile.  I wish I knew what the
thread manufacturers use for sizing.  My handweaving books have some receipes
for sizing and I've been thinking I need to do some experiments.  Like
Barbara, I want stiff Bedfordshire.

Sally Schoenberg
Farmington
New Mexico

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Re: Subject: RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Jewelry in sterling silver??

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo,
i am still a bit starteled
unfamiliar whit the problems concerned in silver-lace?

is it the thread/wire?
is it the bobbins?
is it the patterns?

what else?
or is it just a problem for looking to find teachers giving courses in 
this matter?


furthemore i have worked more the 10 years ago in that silverclay material
and to be honest, I can not see how you could do lace in that material
it is unpleasant in touching it
extremly smelly in a very jakkieway
and it did almost never dowhat i wanted it to do
and it was not able, is refrase: I was not able to do fine cording or 
threads whit it
does anyone else have an other experience? did anyone else sucseeded in 
making

a NICE litlle peace in that clay?
is so please let me know and see

please do not see this as critique but as a general question out of 
astonischment

that i could not do it and others may be..


francis
verry curious



tina schreef:

There is a workshop on PMC Silver Jewelry scheduled for August 8th – 10th
through Great Escapes Weekend in the UK.  And although it’s been a few years
since I attended one of their weekend workshops, I’m sure that this one will
be just as delightful.



Tina



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I think this might be called PMC, which stands for precious metal clay.  I



  

met someone in a metal weaving class who makes jewelry this way.



  

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Re: [lace] Variegated thread

[Francis Busschaert]

Hallo,
because of that striping effect
this kind of varigated thread is seldom uesed in industry
if fo any reason what so ever we realy need a varigated thread
we will do it a bit differend
we then use a gimped thread
the core yanr is then an even coloured thread which matches the most 
common ground colours of the thread (varigated ) which is used for gimping
if this is don whit evrytime a little space between the gimping you will 
have a slightly underbroken pattern which will never give you any stripes.
i lack good proper english to explain it so for some it wiil be 
jibberisch but try to immagine...


this kind of thread is never offered to the hobby market because most of 
you will find it not special
and don't seet he connection to the why of it i have offered that kind 
of thread to several markets but

no way they did no twant it

so what kin you do to mach it a littel bit
you take that varigated thread and take an other thread on the same 
bobbin together
and slightly twist them to give a gimping effectnot the same but 
it will give you an advantage. beleve me

this way will do one disadvantage
the threads are becoming thicker which might give you the disadvantage 
in certain patterns.


francis



Alice Howell schreef:

Variegated threads can be tricky.  The color changes attract attention away 
from the pattern.  If you have an intricate pattern don't put variegated thread 
in it.

I did a small 's Gravenmoerse pattern with variegated thread and the pattern 
was very hard to see among the different color shades.  Yet, if you use the 
variegated ONLY on the cloth stitch trail of a pattern, it can be exquisite.  
My friend did that on a scarf pattern and it turned out a prize winner.

The length of the thread in one color before it changes makes a big difference.  I have been making roses with a pricking that is all half stitch.  It's the shaping of the rose after the lace is done that makes this rose nice.  Since there is essentially no 'pattern' in the lace, there is a lot of scope for using variegated threads.  I made some with the variegated only on the passives, on both passives and worker, and just on the worker.  This was larger scale thread...DMC Cordonnet 30.  The color changes were many inches apart on this intended-for-crochet thread, but worked out fine in this case.  I particularly liked using a solid color in the passives and the variegated (say...red and white) for the worker.  Each color would do 8-12 rows before changing. This was enough space that it looked like whole petals alternating from lighter to darker.  


I acquired a spool of thread with color changes every half inch or so.  A 
bookmark made of it was disappointing.  The constant change of color distracted 
from the pattern.  The solid color bookmark of the same pricking was much more 
attractive.

When a variegated thread is mixed with a solid color, the eye blends them.  
Change one of the threads, and you get an entirely different look.

In  general, I suggest keeping a thread that changes color limited to a simple 
area of the item, such as cloth stitch sections.  This will let the color be 
the star of the show without competing with an intricate pattern at the same 
time.

Also, different types of lace will respond differently to being made with variegated threads.  Experiment a bit, but be aware that some things will not work out as well as hoped.  Then again, some of them will be absolutely amazing.  

Alice in Oregon -- expecting record high temp of 96+ degrees fahrenheit tomorrow.  Rather a shock after below normal temps all spring.  But it's only for 4 days and then the cool returns. 


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Any hints about using variegated thread successfully? I've been using
some Valdani thread as workers in a piece of Torchon and it's comming out
in regular stripes - not the effect I wanted at all.  Other times I've
used it and the patterns been completely lost and a mess.  What's the
trick?

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[lace] Bart and Francis

[Francis Busschaert]

Hello to all,
it's me francis from Bart  Francis

I just wanted to let the UK'ers on the list know, we will be in the lace 
event  next sunday 11 may 2008

at Peterborough.
we see it as a great opportunity for all whom have visited our website 
and were wundering of
the very funny and bizzare threads  but in the end wanted to feel smell 
touch and see them in real.

Now they can 

We hope to see you there.
kind regards

Francis


on the leaflet it is mentioned:
*The East of England Lace and Craft Supplies Fair* will be held at the 
Holiday Inn West,

Thorpe Wood, Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, PE3 6SG,
a great venue on the western edge of Peterborough
on *Sunday 11th May 2008* at 10.00am to 3.30pm.

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