[LegacyUG] Help! Marriage doubled!
I had a husband and wife, William and Mary, who had just one son, Patrick. I also had a woman, Jane, entered (married with a son). I found out Jane is also the daughter of William and Mary. I pulled up Jane in the Family View and added William (link existing) as father and Mary (link existing) as mother.. yes, there was a question to link again? but if I didn't say yes, Jane did not get a mother. Patrick and Jane show wonderfully as full siblings, but now I have William and Mary each married to each other twice. How do I get rid of the redundancy? (I have a backup and can revert to start over.) Thanks in advance, --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help! Marriage doubled!
That did it. I'll try to remember to work from the parents down next time. Thanks, --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams Paula, I suggest that you either undo the two links you have put in for Jane to William and Mary - or start again may be better. Now instead of linking them to each parent separately, which could produce two unknown parents, since the program does not know who is the other parent, link them to the marriage. To do this bring up William and Mary in the Family view, now click on an empty child space below their names and select add an existing daughter and select Jane. If all kids spaces are taken then right click an select add and add a sister. This method should always be used when adding a child to a couple. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help! Marriage doubled!
Thanks for this tip. I will check it out. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams Start over. Instead of linking a father and a mother, right-click on Jane and add Parents. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Children Sort Order (dates or no dates?)
Seems like someone recently posted here (I have a stickie on this!) that they use abt 1820 when the year has been indicated by a source; e.g., census listing. But they use est 1820 when they're using some other algorithm to come up with the year; e.g., Robert's calculations. Anything with abt can help research; anything with est is just a help to identify people in the list. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams From: Robert Arens bob.aren...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:02:42 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Children Sort Order When you have a file like mine with over 200 people with the same name (Nicholas Arens), born between 1500 and 2009, I need a method to roughly sort them into approximate decades and centuries.. On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: Robert Arens wrote I approximate 30 years per generation, marriage at about 25, first child one year after marriage, a child every two years, the wife is 2 years younger than the husband. In some large family groups I've been off by as much as 40 years. Which is why I don't like estimating unless I have a fairly good idea to within a year or two of when the event happened. Leaving a birthdate blank means I don't know when this person was born, putting in abt 1820 means something like the 1851 Census showed an age of 30 so this person was probably born between April 1820 and March 1821. If I thought someone was born in 1820 and they were really born in 1780 it could seriously skew my research! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format
Thanks Brian! It is not holding me up, but I'm glad you followed up on it. Do you think there is an additional field that goes along with being a SW source that we should be changing in Access? A field that gets set correctly when the SW source is opened for Edit? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:19:55 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format We had a problem report on the issue of combining sources in our system. It was marked as resolved in our latest update so I tested it today. I have now passed it back to the programmers for more work. You should not have to edit the source and cancel before the combine button works. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Richard Van Wasshnova wrote: Hi Paula, That is just a simple quirk of Legacy since Source Writer Sources were introduced. When you Highlite ANY Source Writer Source and then click the Combine Highlighted Source with another in List button all the radio buttons on top right should go greyed out except for the Cancel button. Just click Edit Cancel Combine Highlighted Source with another in List button. Now it will go to grey and you can combine the 2 sources. Thank Ron Ferguson for that solution. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source (SW) Comment problem - Attn Legacy staff, please
I have seen inconsistencies in those grey hint text lines... different issues on different templates. E.g., when you start typing the hint doesn't go away and what you type is grey, when you start typing the hint goes away but what you type is centered and grey, etc. Do you think I should be reporting those as bugs? If those details have been overlooked, I start wondering what else may have been missed? (like Jenny's bug) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:56:04 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source (SW) Comment problem - Attn Legacy staff, please Ward Walker wrote After the 'Comments about this master source' have been surreptitiously copied to the 'Comments' field, can you manually clear the Comments field, as a workaround? No! Deleting text from one place deletes it in the other. It's all a bit odd: I now see that the grey hint text in the Comments field is shown in black in the Master Source Comments field. If I click in the Comments field and enter text, it appears black and left aligned, but if I go into Master Source Comments, delete the hint text and type my own, that then appears in the Comments field in grey and centred. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Missing wife in Descendant 's book
Is she invisible? Or living and somehow you are not including living? Admittedly, grasping at straws here. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams I have other spouses checked and she is not marked as private Mary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship
Yes, except that there are some relationships that I want to see. I mean, I've used these fields for all the exceptional conditions in my file and don't want to hide them. I'm still working on this one... haven't given up yet! Thanks, --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk snip In Report Options, on the Include tab, untick the option for Child-Parent Relationships. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship
Glenn, Wanted to thank you again for your response. I think I may have misread it the first time, but now it makes more sense. As a start, I had tried citing a death certificate on a child's Child-Father Relationship and Child-Mother Relationship fields (as someone on the LUG list had suggested)... fields blank, but sourced. (I previously didn't know you could source a blank field.) Well, now these will print on all the reports, blank but sourced. Not what I was expecting, and I'm not sure it's what I want. I either need to set these to Proven or uncheck the box to print them... but then I won't see ANY of them. I will now look into using these specific Events, as well as the suggestion Jenny made here earlier. (Thanks, Jenny!) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams From: Glenn Kinkade legacydal...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:31:18 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship Paula, Legacy has two events you can use for this purpose: Parentage-Maternal and Parentage-Paternal. You can use this event, assign a source, and in your notes you can indicate this is a proven relationship (you have a birth certificate with child and parent listed), this is your hypotheses and explain why it is highly probable based on indirect evidence or this is your guess based on family folklore or some other information. If this information is for your research only you may want to mark the event as Private. If the parentage is not proven you can use the event to establish a ToDo item to record your research and hopefully prove the parentage of the child. Hope this helps. Glenn Kinkade Dalals, TX Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] half siblings do not show in all family views or charts
Ron, What email are you using? I just got an update to my ATT Yahoo Mail and had to reset the Plain Text thing. It still doesn't LOOK like plain text to me, but it is. Maybe you've had a minor (they would say) change to your email program? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:56:35 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] half siblings do not show in all family views or charts 040601ca3945$02c741a0$6801a...@moonlight2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Certainly is Diane=2C I even know what they are=2C but can't get rid! Also = seems related to the length of the post. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Step children in descendent chart--was: Chart question
Dennis, That's what I'm talkin' 'bout! ;) I think I was trying to do this last night, but ran into a wall. I wanted to somehow link the child in question to the existing step father. But when I right clicked tried to add father it asked me if I wanted to add a new husband to the mother or link to an existing person. Because it was late, and I didn't want to accidentally add a 3rd husband by linking (again) to an existing... thus, having to write a really long email to the list this morning--ha! I stopped. So, I have Ann whose first husband is unknown (I did not explicitly enter a husband named Unknown) with a daughter Deb. I also have Ann married to Ken, and they have a son Wade. What I would like to do is link Deb to Ken, with child-father rel. = step or adopted. How do I do that? I don't actually know if he has adopted her yet, but I would like to test out how this would look on charts reports, as well as the family view with 1/2 siblings showing. Since it's such a rare occurance in my file (right now at least), I could probably live with the screen issues in order to get the reporting results. Thanks in advance, --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com And the child from a previous marriage of that spouse is also a 1/2 child of the spouse in the descendent line, right? Wouldn't that child be a step child to the non-blood parent? You can always add the child to the marriage and label the relationship to the blood parent as such, and label the relationship to the step parent as such. I would think that the child will then show up on reports. But I suspect the child will show up twice on the family view (if you have show 1/2 children turned on). There might be other side effects to doing this. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Handling Divorces in Charting
Another consideration might be how you are going to display this/these. If you will have them on a wall or propped up on a table at a reunion, you might want them separate anyway, so more people can look at them at the same time. Did that make sense? Like, father's ancestor chart on left, marriage's descendent chart in the middle, and mother's ancestor chart on right. (that doesn't use the hour glass at all) I may have lost the original post, so I may not be helping at all. If so, sorry! --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams I think this is possible by creating 2 hour glass charts, one for each parent. With some judicious editing and moving of boxes, and probably a lot of trial and error, the printed pages could be taped together to create such a chart. I don't know of any way to do this in one digital file. It's kind of a cut and paste job, but possible. Give it a try. John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Charting - ancestry
Mary, I think I also answered your questionin the handling divorces thread. Oops! --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: John S. Adams oldbr...@hotmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:26:49 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Charting - ancestry Mary, See my post of a few minutes with the mistaken subject line of Re: [LegacyUG] Handling Divorces in Charting. John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Mary Figgins Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 5:36 AM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Charting - ancestry Is it possible to have a chart that shows ancestor and descendants of a couple? I can get a hour glass that gives the descendants of a couple and the ancestors of one person in the couple. Can it show the ancestors of both members of the couple? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format
Thanks, Jenny. I just opened Legacy this morning. They were uncombined. Tried to combine, but same thing happened. And when I closed Legacy, it didn't ask me if I wanted to do a backup (meaning, there were no changes to the file). Am reading this thread in sequence... on to the next thought. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:04:50 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format Paula Ryburn wrote Here's the problem: The button did NOT change to Highlight Destination Source... as I was expecting. I tested it on another source, and it did change. I tried it on the new SW source (that I had just added) and it did NOT change. I tried it again on the used-to-be-basic one, just to be sure, and it did NOT change. Any thoughts? That's the method I am using to convert Basic Sources to SourceWriter and I have run into the same problem occasionally. I have found if I close Legacy and open it again either the 2 Sources have been combined or I am now able to combine them with the button. Sorry that's not precise, but it's a while since it happened and I just forget how it resolved itself, but I know it was resolved by re-starting Legacy. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format
Thanks, Richard for the suggestion. Will try it now. Thanks, Ron for the reminder. I am still in the database I backed up to start this project... haven't done anything else won't till this is resolved. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 4:31:06 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format ec5738e80909171149r91f14c2w848faa8a2ccfd...@mail.gmail.com 386390.20252...@web82008.mail.mud.yahoo.com 66e79ccc0909172156h20758a31k69ada7d805d0a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Richard=2C I do have a caveat with this. It does work *but* there is a risk of losing = the Source Detail. I strongly recommend making a duplicate database and tes= ting before running on the proper one=2C and *back-up* Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Thu=2C 17 Sep 2009 21:56:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's = format From: rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Hi Paula=2C That is just a simple quirk of Legacy since Source Writer Sources were introduced. When you Highlite ANY Source Writer Source and then click the Combine Highlighted Source with another in List button all the radio buttons on top right should go greyed out except for the Cancel button. Just click Edit Cancel Combine Highlighted Source with another in List button. Now it will go to grey and you can combine the 2 sources. Thank Ron Ferguson for that solution. -- Richard Van Wasshnova http://www.gencircles.com/users/vanwasshnova http://gw.geneanet.org/vanwasshnova On Thu=2C Sep 17=2C 2009 at 12:34 PM=2C Paula Ryburn wrote: This is probably just for Richard Van Wasshnova. I am following his ins= tructions from June (only have hard copy of the email now). Here's what I did: Backed up my family file. =3B) Picked one basic master source that had only one citation to one person = as my trial run. Added a master source to go with the basic source using SW template. Tagged those two (and only those two). Closed Legacy. Opened Access... my .fdb file. In tblSR I sorted Z-A on SrcTag field to get my 2 to the top. On the basic source=2C changed TemplateID from 0 to 62 (to match the o= ther one). On the basic source=2C changed UseStandard from 1 to 0 (don't use stan= dard). Left Contents on basic one as is (empty). Closed Access. Opened Legacy. The used-to-be-basic master source now shows in the list with a dot=2C a= s expected. I highlighted it and clicked on the Combine... button at the bottom. Here's the problem: The button did NOT change to Highlight Destination Source... as I was = expecting. I tested it on another source=2C and it did change. I tried it on the new SW source (that I had just added) and it did NOT c= hange. I tried it again on the used-to-be-basic one=2C just to be sure=2C and i= t did NOT change. Any thoughts? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clo= ugh Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Fl= oyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell M= cDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams =0A= _=0A= Share your photos with Windows Live Photos =96 Free.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/= Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format
Judy, Just a word of caution... I wouldn't worry about using Access on your Legacy .fdb file this early in your Legacy journey. As I understand it, there are only certain things that people here on the LUG list have figured out how to do do safely, or have developed tools to do safely. Like, I've been a user for 4-5 years and am just now trying this combining sources thing! --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 4:03:59 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format Judy wrote OK, I am feeling way stupid. Still beginning the Legacy trip, tho I am familiar with access. How do you open an .fdb file in access When you go to open your file in Access, for Files of type select All files (*.*) instead of the long list of extensions which are usually showing. OR just type *.fdb in the filename box and click ok then select from the list of files. OR just make sure you have selected the right folder and type the full filename in the filename box - myfamilyfile.fdb. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format
Richard, That worked. Yes, how quirky is that? Like, you need to thump it up side the head to get its attention! ;) So, I have successfully converted a basic source to SW template! Woo hoo! On to the next 137 of them! ;) Thanks again to everyone who helped me through this process. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Richard Van Wasshnova rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:56:55 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format Hi Paula, That is just a simple quirk of Legacy since Source Writer Sources were introduced. When you Highlite ANY Source Writer Source and then click the Combine Highlighted Source with another in List button all the radio buttons on top right should go greyed out except for the Cancel button. Just click Edit Cancel Combine Highlighted Source with another in List button. Now it will go to grey and you can combine the 2 sources. Thank Ron Ferguson for that solution. -- Richard Van Wasshnova http://www.gencircles.com/users/vanwasshnova http://gw.geneanet.org/vanwasshnova Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
I agree! But I have just recently switched from the General tab to a general Notes Event, so I can source each story individually, as well as have the stories interspersed with other events chronologically. (I'm also going to learn how to use the to-do list, because that's a lot of what I enter in the Research tab.) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams From: Michele Lewis cranberryf...@charter.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:25:39 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Ah so true! It isn't all about facts and figures. I write extensive under the General tab (stories, interesting info etc) and the Research tab (all my efforts to find certain bits of information, negative searches etc). michele - Original Message - From: Janis L Gilmore To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Good genealogical narrative can never be generated by your software. It requires writing and thinking and correlating. A database is for keeping track of – well, data. g A narrative is something that you craft. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Picture/document search
Sherry, Not sure I understand exactly what you're trying to do, but take a look at the Picture Center. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Sheri Harris sharr...@comcast.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:13:42 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Picture/document search How do I do a search for a particular picture/document I have attached in Legacy? I have attached a picture/document to several individuals and sources and I have found additional information. I would like to add this information to both the picture caption and to it's supporting document's caption. So I would like to have all references of these to have the same information. I know there has to be an easier way of doing this. Right now, I'm creating a picture list from the View-Scrapbook-Multimedia List and adjusting my parameters for the report and create a PDF of the report, which is 200+ pages. Then from that PDF, I do a find of the picture/document I'm looking for and then go back to Legacy to edit as I find them. I tried doing a search in Legacy, but didn't see any options for attachments. I've tried using different criteria for searching using the captions, file name, etc., but no results are found. There's not even an way to export the multimedia report into spreadsheet, or I just missed that. I have created the text file of the report too, but haven't had the time to get it into a spreadsheet. Thanks in advance for your help! Sheri Ft. Oglethorpe, GA www.westharrisfamily.com Prater, McDonald, Harris, West, Trimmer, Daugherty, Moose, Elliott and more. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Picture/document search
Richard, I like your 'back door' approach! grin --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Richard Van Wasshnova rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com Try renaming the picture in Windows Explore. Add an X to beginning of name. Then go to Options Customize Locations Test All Multimedia Paths check Make a list of all missing Multimedia and proceed. A text file will give all Names and RINs that use it. On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Sheri Harris sharr...@comcast.net wrote: How do I do a search for a particular picture/document I have attached in Legacy? I have attached a picture/document to several individuals and sources and I have found additional information. I would like to add this information to both the picture caption and to it's supporting document's caption. So I would like to have all references of these to have the same information. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Step children in descendent chart--was: Chart question
Jenny, I understand what you're saying. However, the spouses of direct line descendents are included even though they are not blood relations. And the child from a previous marriage of that spouse is also a 1/2 child of the spouse in the descendent line, right? I know I will get flamed about this, but when we all try so hard to include a child into our family (especially when the circumstances of their birth or early childhood are difficult), it seems cruel to leave them out of our family tree. The example we have is one of the grandchildren on my husband's side. I wouldn't want to print a family tree (descendent) at all if someone who is part of the family was going to see that technically they are not part of the family. Hey, I'm not usually labeled touchy feely but... How hard would it be to add an option to include 1/2 children? With that opening volley (I'm sure), I'm signing off for the night. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk Mary Figgins wrote There is no problem showing the 1/2 children in Legacy. What I need is a chart such as descendancy that would show these children that are related by marriage and not blood. Your problem is that Legacy (and Legacy Charting) are *genealogy* programs and genealogy is based on blood relationships. You cannot have a descendancy chart which shows non-blood relatives because they are not descendants! Legacy will show 1/2 children because Legacy shows them as part of a family unit of parents-and-children and they are related by blood to one of the parents. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter - IRC - which template... PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE
I would appreciate it if any of you would point out any problems you think I may have by using the following sourcing approach re: interviews, emails, phone calls, etc... I have a master source for the Personal Knowledge of each of my relatives from whom I have obtained data about their relatives and/or our common ancestors. Then in the detail I put email Sep 9 2009 or interview Aug 5 2009 or questionnaire Jun 1989. Admittedly, I sometimes will set up a separate source for a letter, because I have hard copy. And most of mine are Basic format (for now). When I started using SW format, I went gung ho for the email template, etc., but then thought I really didn't need a master source for each email I received from my cousin in England! Another advantage I thought I would have is that I could turn off printing these detail citations more easily, if nec. for some reporting in the future. I welcome your thoughts, flame or otherwise. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:16:32 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter - IRC - which template and how to use it specifically? Dan Bateham wrote Has anyone any suggestions, with specifics, for using a SourceWriter template for documenting an online chat (IRC) more or less in accordance with _EE_ standards? I would use the template for InterviewsTranscriptsPrivately held. I think the word transcript only appears in the Bibliography and you can use the Override on the Master Source to delete that word if it is not appropriate. Personally, I don't think the fact that the interview - or chat - took place online rather than face to face is important, but you could add a note to that effect in the Comment if you wished. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to COPY an event?
And if the Repeat button or Copy Event to Clipboard and Paste Event from Clipboard icons don't also copy the images for you, look at the Picture Center. Once the individual has the Event, you can click on the person on the left, the image in the middle, the event in the middle bottom and Attach. Go to next person. I can see this in my mind's eye... hopefully, I have explained it well enough. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart
Who is OP? Me? Mine was the email at the bottom of this miles-long thread I just snipped. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:50:46 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart This whole thread began because the OP wanted, as I do, a chart of the DIRECT relationship between two persons, not a calculation of EVERY relationship possible between them. snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format
This is probably just for Richard Van Wasshnova. I am following his instructions from June (only have hard copy of the email now). Here's what I did: Backed up my family file. ;) Picked one basic master source that had only one citation to one person as my trial run. Added a master source to go with the basic source using SW template. Tagged those two (and only those two). Closed Legacy. Opened Access... my .fdb file. In tblSR I sorted Z-A on SrcTag field to get my 2 to the top. On the basic source, changed TemplateID from 0 to 62 (to match the other one). On the basic source, changed UseStandard from 1 to 0 (don't use standard). Left Contents on basic one as is (empty). Closed Access. Opened Legacy. The used-to-be-basic master source now shows in the list with a dot, as expected. I highlighted it and clicked on the Combine... button at the bottom. Here's the problem: The button did NOT change to Highlight Destination Source... as I was expecting. I tested it on another source, and it did change. I tried it on the new SW source (that I had just added) and it did NOT change. I tried it again on the used-to-be-basic one, just to be sure, and it did NOT change. Any thoughts? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship
Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts and suggestions on this topic. Going back and adding the source for the parental relationship (and that's two fields per person) sound daunting today... over 2000 individuals in my DB (which I know is small compared to some of yours but...). I am in the process of really getting my files organized, so I will probably do this as I work through my direct lines as a first step. This would've been a good one to think of and ask back when I was getting started! Thanks again. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams From: Glenn Kinkade legacydal...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:31:18 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship Paula, Legacy has two events you can use for this purpose: Parentage-Maternal and Parentage-Paternal. You can use this event, assign a source, and in your notes you can indicate this is a proven relationship (you have a birth certificate with child and parent listed), this is your hypotheses and explain why it is highly probable based on indirect evidence or this is your guess based on family folklore or some other information. If this information is for your research only you may want to mark the event as Private. If the parentage is not proven you can use the event to establish a ToDo item to record your research and hopefully prove the parentage of the child. Hope this helps. Glenn Kinkade Dalals, TX On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: First off, I am not talking about the child's relationship-to-father and relathionship-to-mother fields. How do you cite the source for knowing these are the parents of this child? I mean, there is not a field to attach a source citation TO. Maybe this is a silly question, but I have often wondered how to indicate that I know these are his parents because they are listed on his birth certificate, for example. Or I found his parents' names by looking at his birth certificate... Worded that way, do I cite the birth certificate on THEIR name fields? Am I way out in left field here? But that relationship is a key item that has to be proven / documented for a DAR application, for example. Thanks, --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] RE: Is it possible to COPY an event?
It may be in the HELP file, but I did appreciate reading the thread and finally noticing those two icons on the Event screen! ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:17:08 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] RE: Is it possible to COPY an event? Ignore this post!! It was actually posted by my wife who apparently has not yet learned to use the HELP file that comes with Legacy and every other software program made since the invention of the wheel. Brian (the one sleeping on the couch tonight) -Original Message- From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:59 PM To: 'LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com' Subject: Is it possible to COPY an event? I've ignored this little task for almost two years now but sooner or later I need to duplicate a number of events on one person and attach the same event to a different person. The reason for my reluctance is that each event has a number of images attached and each event has extensive notes. I am well aware of the SOURCE CLIPBOARD but I don't see any means within Legacy other than to use the Windows clipboard for each new event to copy and paste from the other individual, create the field data, and paste the notes and images over and over and over..UGH! Any ideas? Brian (the one in CA) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location
Still trying to grasp the implications, so forgive me. But, if you compress these (residences or military) into one event, then on the chronology, it will be one event spread out over time/ the life of the individual, losing all detail. That matters only if you use the chronology, though. Are you two not using that report/chart? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:51:20 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location michael barberi wrote Hence, I created an Event called Residence History. In the Event notes section, I list by year, the person's residence addresses. Sometimes I will include a key life-event in parenthesis (e.g., death, birth, marriage) to add perspective. I think this is an excellent idea! It's one which I may well adopt myself. I had already thought of compressing, for example, military history into one Event. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] When Do you import versus merging ??
Sage advice a great reason to subscribe to this list. Perhaps my 8-digit MRIN issue may have been caught had I done that with the itsy-bitsy file I imported on March 30th! ;) Live and learn! --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:21:10 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When Do you import versus merging ?? I always gedcom into a new file, fix the locations and sources MY way, then add it into my main DB, then do a merge. The group taught me that when I was a Newbie, and we try to repeat it regularly for the next batch of newbies to hear. Rich in LA CA From: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:56:14 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When Do you import versus merging ?? George: When you import a GEDCOM from FTM into Legacy you'll probably be shocked at the data entry inconsistencies you'll find. I know I was, and many others have said the same thing. For this reason I think it would be best to handle the GEDCOMs separately. Open them in separate Legacy files and clean up one at a time before you consider merging them. Personally I *hate* merging files because I'm never quite sure exactly what's going to come along with the merge; I'd rather use the largest file as my base and then manually add data from the other smaller files. Other users are probably braver and can give you better guidance on merging if you decide on that route, but don't fail to clean up the files before merging. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of George Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:56 PM To: Legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] When Do you import versus merging ?? I am just getting started with legacy and have a bunch of related (but poorly) FTM files I am converting to GEDCOM. I then want to combine the essence of these files into a single Legacy file. Can anyone suggest an orderly procedure for doing this ? I see different things that the legacy manual can help you organize-such as consistency in addresses etc. I just have trouble seeing what order things are best done in. Thanks for any help. George Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Thank you for your answers and some background. When I picture the way some of you describe how you enter census events/data, I just see the same data lists printed over over again in an Ancestor or Descendent BOOK report, which is what I mainly use. I think my goal is to have something the lay person (read, non-genealogist) can read and enjoy. Full sentences, not data lists. Of course, who knows when I will reach that goal? A genealogist's job is never finished! ;) I, too, love the fan chart... probably have too much fun playing with colors, etc. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Dede Holden deanbuc...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:55:00 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Paula, I primarily use the Family Group Report. I've found that this helps me to see how my Events and Sources will appear in other reports. The other reports I use the most are the Ancestor Report and the Descendant Report, depending on who's asking for information. I'm still in Search and Source mode for most of my lines, so I haven't tackled the bigger Book Reports yet. I use the Pedigree Report for my files, just to keep a handle on who fits where in the tree, since I'm working on my family as well as my husband's. I've certainly learned that I tend to make things more complex than they need to be and I'm trying to work on that. That's why I'm willing to learn from the long-time pros in the LUG! Dede P.S. My 24 year old son's favorite is the Ancestor Fan Chart, from Legacy Charting. He didn't really care about genealogy until I printed his for the first time. It was an AHA moment for him! On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Dede, Which reports do you use the most? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Dede Holden deanbuc...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:56:15 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Alan, I'm not quite sure what you meant by you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I use the default Census event, but the description, date, and place tailor it to each particular census. I started out putting the census details in the Source Detail Text field. Then I realized every time I cited the census, and printed the details, the reports became very cumbersome. So now I handle the census like Michele does. Event = Census Description = US Federal Date = 1930 (I am not as detailed here as Michele is) Location = Vicksburg, Warren, Mississippi, USA The Notes look like this: living at 735 Thomas St. Harry Thompson, head, owns home, value $4800, no radio, age 48, married at age 32, born in Miss., father born in Miss., mother born in Texas, conductor for steam railroad Ione Thompson, wife, age 40, married at at 24, born in Miss., parents born in Miss. Ethel E. Whitehead, sister-in-law, female, age 37, widowed, born in Miss., parents born in Miss., employed as saleslady at 5 and 10 store. Nora L. Whitehead, niece, age 17, single, born in Miss., parents born in Miss. In the reports it reads, He appeared on the US Federal census in 1930 living at 735 Thomas St As far as the Source citation goes, I have used the Sourcewriter template and I have a census source for each year, state, and county. I name them like this: Census: 1930 US Mississippi Warren It helps me to find them more quickly when I am citing the Master Source. I also use the Census event for every person listed in the household. It is very easy to copy the event to the clipboard on the Event screen, and then paste to the others. It even pastes the Source, so you enter the info once and then with just a few clicks the event is added to everyone involved. As far as the details go, if it is out of the ordinary, such as an adult who can't read or write, I will note that, but otherwise I assume they can read and write. I also attach a PDF of the census image as a multimedia file to the source detail, but I do not add any detail text or comments. I'm interested in this thread, because if anyone has a better way that produces the kind of reports I want, I'm always willing to learn. Dede Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group
Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source
Boyd, Do not lose heart. I am mid-way in a process of moving my birth, death marriage sources from one per to something more lumped. But I have chosen to use state / county / year... or just state / year. As I said, I'm mid-way in the change process. Still, the template should work no matter your lumping level. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:39:03 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source Boyd Miller wrote I treat each birth, marriage and death certificate as a master source because information from each certificate relates to a number of different people. A birth certificate can give father's and mothers full names, ages (hence approximate birth date), occupations and birthplaces, parents marriage date and place, and birth informant. Other certificates similarly have data on several people apart from the certificate subject person(s). I don't see that your reasoning above is valid. Just because a Source relates to several different people, it doesn't follow that you have to create a new Master Source for every similar document. That's what Source Detail is for. Master Source is for generalities - things that are likely to be repeated over and over, such as the fact that it's a Birth Certificate, that it was issued in a certain Country by a certain Authority. Source Details is for, not surprisingly, the details - things that won't be the same for every similar document, such as that the Birth Certificate is for Joe Bloggs or Fanny Adams. I am trying to cite a birth certificate issued in Scotland. The template for a birth certificate comes from Birth recordsBirth certificateAll countries except.Created at state/provincial levelbasic format (Most other options within this certificate string get you to a similar set of fields) There does not appear to be a field to record whose birth the certificate relates to. No, for the reasons I have given above. That field, is in the Source Details I think you would be well advised to re-think how you tackle Master Sources and make more use of Source Details. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Picture Center benefit
When you have several pictures in an individual's gallery, and they have been added in the order you found/scanned or took them, there is no way (that I could see) in the gallery to reorder the pictures. But in the Picture Center, you CAN, and oh so easily. Maybe you all already knew that, but I just found it today. Thanks Legacy! --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Ron, You are so right! And it does make me feel better to know we don't really know where we're going when we start, so it's okay to now be changing direction! haha --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:15:16 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Paula, You have nicely identified a basic question which arises when attempting to create a one size fits all database. As is quite well known, my main output is for Pedigree Webpages in which each individual has their own page. I want, therefore, for, say, all the residences in which the individual lived, to appear on the page for each individual. It is also my choice not to want this hidden away in a source nor to have Census Events. It follows that I need Residence Events for each place and individual. This Residence Event is then sourced to, perhaps, a census. But, as I don't want repetition I do not include the address and other members of the household in the Source. Now, if I also had a significant interest in producing a book then my way of working would not, in my view, be appropriate because, like you say, it would involve much repetition. My eventual choice would depend on which aspects of the lives of my ancestors I wished to concentrate. The Events, their construction and sourcing would depend on that choice. Herein lies a problem which all of us have probably faced when first starting out on our ancestral trail - we do not know where we are going! The earlier this decision is taken then the earlier the format of the database can be set. It also follows that one may need more than one database, if there are to be multiple output formats. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:07:06 -0700 From: paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Thank you for your answers and some background. When I picture the way some of you describe how you enter census events/data, I just see the same data lists printed over over again in an Ancestor or Descendent BOOK report, which is what I mainly use. I think my goal is to have something the lay person (read, non-genealogist) can read and enjoy. Full sentences, not data lists. Of course, who knows when I will reach that goal? A genealogist's job is never finished! ;) I, too, love the fan chart... probably have too much fun playing with colors, etc. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Dede Holden To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:55:00 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Paula, I primarily use the Family Group Report. I've found that this helps me to see how my Events and Sources will appear in other reports. The other reports I use the most are the Ancestor Report and the Descendant Report, depending on who's asking for information. I'm still in Search and Source mode for most of my lines, so I haven't tackled the bigger Book Reports yet. I use the Pedigree Report for my files, just to keep a handle on who fits where in the tree, since I'm working on my family as well as my husband's. I've certainly learned that I tend to make things more complex than they need to be and I'm trying to work on that. That's why I'm willing to learn from the long-time pros in the LUG! Dede P.S. My 24 year old son's favorite is the Ancestor Fan Chart, from Legacy Charting. He didn't really care about genealogy until I printed his for the first time. It was an AHA moment for him! On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Paula Ryburn wrote: Dede, Which reports do you use the most? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Dede Holden To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:56:15 AM
Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart
I will take a look at that. Thx! --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:53:16 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart Here is the actual request (my paraphrase)? Can we add a source button to include in the Relationship Calculator, to have a print choice. It might be a bit cumbersome, but you could have it print only the tagged sources. This could be done better (IMO) in Publishing Center. Then you can print the RC, finishing with the desired Sources. In each case, I would want to pick through the sources, each time I print the RC anyway. Or did you want all the descendants, or a report including only the tagged children? Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:09:04 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart Rich, I use Deluxe, too. There is a Lineage report, that shows the spouse and siblings of each MALE in a direct line. You specify where to start, and it works back from there. What I suggested was the same CONTENT (spouses and siblings of each PERSON in a direct line), but allow us to select the starting AND ending person, then the program has to work from person A to person B, which might include one or more FEMALES. I think you can see how the logic to work through the lineage is the same as one leg of the RC, once the ending person is determined (the common ancestor). In this new report, we would enter the ancestor, so it would only use the second half of the RC logic. (I also asked to be able to include source citations.) --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:48:04 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart It is already there. I was asking what was wanted, that wasn't in the Tools\Relationship Calculator, and did not understand the answer. Unless this is for Deluxe only. I have always had Deluxe so never new what might be missing. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:46:02 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart Let's each make that suggestion to Legacy! It IS an important aspect to genealogy, after all, and since FTM has had such a capability for umpteen years, I am sure Legacy programmers can do likewise CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:46 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart I don't know about anyone else but I could use a lineage report like you described. I noticed the same results trying to run lineage reports for Mayflower Society and other lineage society applications. I ended up tagging each individual and running some report (don't remember which) from there. Terri - Original Message From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:23:34 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart This reminds me of a need I had a while back, when working on a DAR application. I needed the Lineage report, but I needed it to know the lineage between me and my Patriot. The Lineage report now just starts at one end and goes through the male line. I my lineage went through my mother and her mother, then all men. Does this sound line anything anyone else would use? It's sort of a combination of the Lineage report (shows spouse and siblings) and one side of the Relationship Calculator (which works its way through men and women). Think I might just make a suggestion... Thanks, --Paula - Original Message From: Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:11:13 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books Exactly right, Valerie. Thanks for explaining it better than I could. Neither a DNA chart nor Relationship will do the same thing. Chick On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Valerie Laskowskilask...@att.net wrote: No, he is referring to taking an ancestor say from the 15th century and having a descendant chart from them to yourself in the most DIRECT route. The descendant chart options in FTM had
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Thank you, Mary, for sharing your approach. I have a sort of combination going. I have previously hesitated in posting it, not wanting to be shot down. I enter census Events, and include in the Event Notes a description of the person within the household. If there's other nifty information, I include it there. (like the homesick wife) Also, I am entering husband/wife census events as one marriage event. Their appearance on censuses before marriage or after death of spouse are on the individual. Examples of an Event Notes entry: They were 38 and 37 years old, keeping shop, with 6 or their 8 children still living at home. Sally's brother and his family lived two doors down. OR He was age 20, living with his parents and 3 siblings. He was the census enumerator! I cite the source for every piece of data I have gleaned from the census, but what I write in the Event Notes is what strikes me as being interesting to the reader. Also, I will enter Occupation events for the individuals a lot of the time, and sometimes a Residence event... like, when I can see the address on the census sheet. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Mary Trogg marytr...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:18:33 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I've struggled to find a balance between dry facts and bringing the information to life and have come up with this labor intensive compromise. I enter all census data under one event; census. The description is the years I have for the individual. I add a copy to the picture gallery of the census. I lump source everything by census year and put all information for an individual on the detail text screen. I also add a picture here. I do it this way so that whatever screen I'm on, I can see the image and I don't have to close sources to see the information about the individual. I spend a lot of time on the sources screen and it helps to compare source information too. Finally, as I find facts, I add to a short biography to notes. It's more interesting to read that a family moved from one state to another because the wife was hopelessly homesick, than to read the family lived in Minnesota, moved to Illinois and then back to Minnesota. I can choose to print either notes or events or both on a report depending on the recipient. Like I said labor intensive, but it appeals to my compulsive nature. I'm sure there are flaws to this system, but I print few reports and so far it works for me. Mary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship
First off, I am not talking about the child's relationship-to-father and relathionship-to-mother fields. How do you cite the source for knowing these are the parents of this child? I mean, there is not a field to attach a source citation TO. Maybe this is a silly question, but I have often wondered how to indicate that I know these are his parents because they are listed on his birth certificate, for example. Or I found his parents' names by looking at his birth certificate... Worded that way, do I cite the birth certificate on THEIR name fields? Am I way out in left field here? But that relationship is a key item that has to be proven / documented for a DAR application, for example. Thanks, --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center benefit
Aha. Guess I need to try to drag on every screen to see if functionality is there? haha --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:29:47 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center benefit Paula Ryburn wrote When you have several pictures in an individual's gallery, and they have been added in the order you found/scanned or took them, there is no way (that I could see) in the gallery to reorder the pictures. All you do is drag the picture across to the position you want it to be in. So if you want picture 1 of 5 to be in 4th position, just drag it over on top of the 4th position and let go. Pictures 2, 3 and 4 will move up to be 1, 2 and 3, the old 1 will be 4 and 5 will stay where it was. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out
Sherry, Besides going slow per Jenny's suggestion, I like someone else's earlier suggestion: enter a few individuals, maybe just one family. Look at how their data displays and how it reports in various reports. See what you like and what you don't like. Tweak their data, test again. Once you get something you feel good about, start adding more generations. When you first add a new event or something, pause and see how it looks in your reports. Tweak if necessary. Proceed. Well, at least that's what *I* would've done differently! ;) Also, someone recently posted a good suggestion in merging vs. importing... at least I think that was the thread. If you receive a file (download, etc.), import it separately, clean it up and then merge it with your main family file. Best of luck!!! --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:35:40 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out wrote My name is Sherry and I've just joined the group Oh good! We already have a not that Brian, the other one, now we have the matching pair with a not that Sherry, the other one. My advice to you, Sherry, would be to take it S-l-o-w and read up everything you can on genealogy in general and Legacy in particular. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dash - in Picture Center picture list
Thanks, Dennis. I will add this to my not so urgent to-do list. ;) --Paula - Original Message From: Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:42:48 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dash - in Picture Center picture list On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:12:21 -0700 (PDT), Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What does View Current List of Multimedia Locations show? -- C:\Legacy C:\Legacy\Data C:\Legacy\Pictures I've just checked and the 3 files in question only exist in the Pictures folder. Is this something I should worry about? First of all, you don't have any kind of data integrity problem (unlike the one you described in your Error.log post). You probably also have a blank row in View Current List of Multimedia Locations, correct. What I think is going on is that most of your pictures are pointing at that blank row, which represents your default picture directory. While the 3 you are worried about are pointing at the 4th row. Legacy still finds the pictures in either case. If you really wanted to fix this quirk, make a backup. Then, double-check that your default picture directory is C:\Legacy\Pictures. Now, in View Current List of Multimedia Locations, combine C:\Legacy\Pictures with the blank line at the top. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location
Mike, I have read your posts about Residence History and remain puzzled. I use the Residence event and enter the address (if I know the house # and street) in the Description field, while putting the town/county/state in the Place field. (I can look up the sentence structure I use for you, but I'm pretty sure I didn't change the standard, except maybe for past/present tense.) Events print out very nicely, in order (provided I've sorted them). I am missing the advantage to entering multiple addresses on one event. Thanks, --Paula in Texas From: michael barberi michaelbarb...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 5:25:33 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location Does not Events/Facts appear in reports? If so, I have found creating an Event called Residence History is a great way to see the migration patterns of your ancestors over time. In this Event, I list all known addresses by year, including those locations/addresses at birth, marriage, and death as well as those in Census Records, Naturalization Records, etc. Its all in one place in an easy understandable format. This does not mean I don't record addresses/locations in specific records. I do. However, I don't know of any way that Legacy can display all of an ancestors locations/addresses over his/her lifetime in one place. Mike Barberi In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 11:51:30 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location Bill, I regret to say that you are likely to get many conflicting answers to this one! Personally, I only use the Address Fields as an address book - hence only for living people. I include the full address in the Location Field, in which I include House, and Street as well as Town, City, County, Country (I'm from England). Why? Mainly because the Address Fields do not appear in many reports. I also find the mapping, in general, more accurate when the full address is in the Location Field. Whilst some believe in trying to get the use of the Address Fields improved, I'm afraid I would rather adopt a pragmatic approach :-). Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: whbosw...@gmail.com To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:54:00 -0400 I know this is going to be confusing which is why I can't find it in the Help of Legacy. I looked at a tutorial online at the Legacy website and found that it was recommended that cemetery names be moved from the Buried field leaving only the city and state. A spent a long time putting them there in FTM 2009 because it seemed appropriate, but I can understand why they shouldn't be there now. Multiple Questions on this one: 1) I tagged all the cemeteries that need to have their name moved by clicking on the plus sign. Is there a way I can first show all the tagged items and start moving cemetery names from there. I can't find anything within the program that lets you show tagged items only so what's the point of tagging if you can't? 2) Should this be done for all locations including residences where the person lived? I have a lot of those and just started, but didn't finish because I don't want to have to revert back with hundreds of them. 3) Are mailing list addresses just for living people or residences where the person lived (i.e., census, death notices, etc.). This question kind of goes with item 2. 4) Master List Location list: only city and state? I'm finding this very confusing. I think I'm going to have to purchase and download the PDF manual then read the entire thing. Bill Boswell _ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Dede, Which reports do you use the most? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Dede Holden deanbuc...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:56:15 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Alan, I'm not quite sure what you meant by you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I use the default Census event, but the description, date, and place tailor it to each particular census. I started out putting the census details in the Source Detail Text field. Then I realized every time I cited the census, and printed the details, the reports became very cumbersome. So now I handle the census like Michele does. Event = Census Description = US Federal Date = 1930 (I am not as detailed here as Michele is) Location = Vicksburg, Warren, Mississippi, USA The Notes look like this: living at 735 Thomas St. Harry Thompson, head, owns home, value $4800, no radio, age 48, married at age 32, born in Miss., father born in Miss., mother born in Texas, conductor for steam railroad Ione Thompson, wife, age 40, married at at 24, born in Miss., parents born in Miss. Ethel E. Whitehead, sister-in-law, female, age 37, widowed, born in Miss., parents born in Miss., employed as saleslady at 5 and 10 store. Nora L. Whitehead, niece, age 17, single, born in Miss., parents born in Miss. In the reports it reads, He appeared on the US Federal census in 1930 living at 735 Thomas St As far as the Source citation goes, I have used the Sourcewriter template and I have a census source for each year, state, and county. I name them like this: Census: 1930 US Mississippi Warren It helps me to find them more quickly when I am citing the Master Source. I also use the Census event for every person listed in the household. It is very easy to copy the event to the clipboard on the Event screen, and then paste to the others. It even pastes the Source, so you enter the info once and then with just a few clicks the event is added to everyone involved. As far as the details go, if it is out of the ordinary, such as an adult who can't read or write, I will note that, but otherwise I assume they can read and write. I also attach a PDF of the census image as a multimedia file to the source detail, but I do not add any detail text or comments. I'm interested in this thread, because if anyone has a better way that produces the kind of reports I want, I'm always willing to learn. Dede On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Alan Jones a...@ajsquared.us wrote: Michele, Interesting so you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I had not thought about that. I guess that works better with the sentence structure and wording? I see for what I assume is your notes section you list each family member that was on the Census. So do you put that same event in for each person so that in your first example the exact same event (notes and all) for B.F. Graham, Sarah Ann, Archibald, Sarah E, Isabella, and William? I figure you would so that a report for any one person would show everything and one knows who the Head of House Hold was etc. I also noted that you did not put down unable to read or write for the kids. I got a kick out of finding my Grandfather on a Census entry and it saying could not read or write when i knew he could then i realized he was 3 at the time of the Census. I truly appreciate the details you provided they give some good examples. How do others handle this? thanks again Michele Alan Michele Lewis wrote: Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5, female, white, at home, born in MS Isabella Graham, age 1, female, white, at home, born in MS William Graham, age 9/12, male, white, at home, born in MS, born in Sep Here is one from 1900 for you... Event: 1900 United States Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 11 Jun 1900 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA James E. Simmons, head, white male, born Feb 1870, age 30, married 11 years, farmer, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/write/speak English, owns home free and clear, farm, #81 on farm schedule Corine E. Simmons, wife, white female, born Oct 1870, age 29, married 11 years, mother of 7 children, 6 living, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/speak English, unable to write Francis A. Simmons, daughter, white female, born Jul 1890, age 9, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Mary Simmons, daughter, white female, born Oct 1891,
Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location
Ellen, I think what you're looking for is already there. Open a marriage. Click on the house icon above the Place field. (I'm reading this thread in order, so forgive me if someone has already answered.) --Paula - Original Message From: Kramer kramer...@comcast.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:57:10 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location I agree, Dennis, but isn't city/county/state/country the accepted way of doing the location? That's the way that I've done it for many years. Also what is the purpose of the event address if you used your option? It should be consistent. I still would like Legacy to have an even address for marriages just like for other events. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:37:06 -0400, Kramer kramer...@comcast.net wrote: Easton, Lehigh Co, PA, USA Harrisburg, Dauphin Co, PA, USA St. Luke's Cemetery/867 Mervin Street, Harrisburg, Dauphin Co, USA You will have the Cemetery or Street address in the place of the city and everything else moved out from there. Shouldn't your last example be... St. Luke's Cemetery/867 Mervin Street, Harrisburg, Dauphin Co, PA, USA As to your comment about having the Cemetery or Street address in the place of the city, that doesn't have to be. If you wanted to, you could reserve a spot for an address by doing something like... , Easton, Lehigh Co, PA, USA , Harrisburg, Dauphin Co, PA, USA St. Luke's Cemetery/867 Mervin Street, Harrisburg, Dauphin Co, PA, USA -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Mark, Which reports do you use? And do you include Notes? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Mark Wilson dmwil...@dishmail.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:28:02 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information For my US Census events, I have created events named Census, US Federal, Census, US Federal Slave Schedule, and Census, US State. (The US State part may seem redundant, however, it differentiates the census event from a state within another country.) Most of my census entries are the Census, US Federal event. In the description field, I enter, for example, page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135. The page number in parenthesis indicates a page number applied to the document after the census was taken. (Sometimes the original page number must be determined by examining pages before and/or after the page in question.) The roll number identifies the original film roll number of the document. (I get the roll number information from the source citation of each census image on Ancestry.com. You must be an Ancestry subscriber to access this information.) In the date field, I use the date of the enumeration shown on the census sheet, for example: 07 Jun 1880. In the place field, I obviously enter the place where the census enumeration was taken, such as: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA. When I save a copy of the census image, I give it a filename using the following format: Census, US Federal - 1880 Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas (p 15C).jpg. This way, I can just look at the file and know it pertains to the Census, US Federal event. It tells me the year and place where the census was taken. Also, in this example, I know that the image is of page/sheet 15C of the enumeration. (I use the original sheet number found on the document.) Then under the notes tab, I first place dwelling information, e. g., dwelling 127 / 127, line 47. For me, this indicates the order of the visitation of a particular dwelling and the order of the visitation of a particular family. The line number is, of course, the line on which the individual is shown. (The line number changes with each individual in the family.) I then double space and enter the information for the entire family similarly to the way Michele Lewis does it, as in her example below. I use bold font on the individual with whom I'm documenting so that he/she stands out from other family members. When finished, my entries looks something like this: Event: Census, US Federal Description: page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135 Date: 07 Jun 1880 Place: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA Notes: dwelling 127 / 127, line 47 Line 45 = R. S. Philpot, head, white male, age 33 [b: about 1847], married, works on railroad, born NC, father born NC, mother born NC Line 46 = Mary Philpot, wife, white female, age 25 [b: about 1855], married, keeps house, born TN, father born NC, mother born NC Line 47 = *R. B. Wilson*, boarder, white male, age 28 [b: about 1852], married, works on railroad, born TN, father born NC, mother born NC Line 48 = Betty Wilson, boarder, white female, age 20 [b: about 1860], married, born MO, father born KY, mother born KY Michele Lewis wrote: Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5, female, white, at home, born in MS Isabella Graham, age 1, female, white, at home, born in MS William Graham, age 9/12, male, white, at home, born in MS, born in Sep Here is one from 1900 for you... Event: 1900 United States Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 11 Jun 1900 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA James E. Simmons, head, white male, born Feb 1870, age 30, married 11 years, farmer, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/write/speak English, owns home free and clear, farm, #81 on farm schedule Corine E. Simmons, wife, white female, born Oct 1870, age 29, married 11 years, mother of 7 children, 6 living, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/speak English, unable to write Francis A. Simmons, daughter, white female, born Jul 1890, age 9, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Mary Simmons, daughter, white female, born Oct 1891, age 8, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS, did not attend school this year, unable to read or write, speaks English Jesse Simmons, son, white male, born Apr 1894, age 6, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Walter Simmons, son, white male, born Mar 1896, age, 4 single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Lemuel Simmons,
Re: [LegacyUG] Birth, Marriage, Death Sources
Oh so right! been there, done that Thanks, Ron, for all your valuable posts here. I enjoy reading the reality you inject into each thread. --Paula in Texas From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:05:29 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Birth, Marriage, Death Sources The common way for this to happen is not ensuring that Source Clipboard has the correct information when linking the source. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
For Sherry: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location
Sherry, Would it be possible to get some sort of statement from the developers as to what's in the work regarding the Event Addresses, Address Notes, Location Notes, etc., especially vs. printing the information we've entered? (discussed extensively in other threads) This particular thread has just about convinced me there is no value in using Event Addresses for anything other than a mailing list. Surely the developers have a plan... or had one when they implemented the functionality? Thanks, --Paula in Texas (ever hopeful supportive ex-programmer) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Michele, I've been doing my entries a couple of different ways over the years, and read these threads with great interest. Two questions: 1. Do you enter all of that detail (the whole household) for EVERY individual in the household? 2. Which Legacy reports do you use the most? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Michele Lewis cranberryf...@charter.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:01:57 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5, female, white, at home, born in MS Isabella Graham, age 1, female, white, at home, born in MS William Graham, age 9/12, male, white, at home, born in MS, born in Sep Here is one from 1900 for you... Event: 1900 United States Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 11 Jun 1900 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA James E. Simmons, head, white male, born Feb 1870, age 30, married 11 years, farmer, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/write/speak English, owns home free and clear, farm, #81 on farm schedule Corine E. Simmons, wife, white female, born Oct 1870, age 29, married 11 years, mother of 7 children, 6 living, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/speak English, unable to write Francis A. Simmons, daughter, white female, born Jul 1890, age 9, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Mary Simmons, daughter, white female, born Oct 1891, age 8, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS, did not attend school this year, unable to read or write, speaks English Jesse Simmons, son, white male, born Apr 1894, age 6, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Walter Simmons, son, white male, born Mar 1896, age, 4 single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Lemuel Simmons, son, white male, born May 1900, age 1/12, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Here is one that is not a population schedule... Event: 1850 United States Federal Census Description: slave schedule Date: 24 Sep 1850 Place: , Columbia County, Georgia, USA John Lewis 20 year old black male 14 year old black male 2 year old black male 1 year old black male 24 year old black female 4 year old black female And yet another.. Event: 1880 United States Federal Census Description: mortality schedule Date: 31 May 1880 Place: , Columbia County, Georgia, USA John Lewis, age 81, male, white, widowed, born in GA, both parents born in GA, farmer, died in May, cause of death - paralysis, attending physcian - J. Maddox Michele - Original Message - From: Alan Jones a...@ajsquared.us To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:34 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I have seen many post about how to document/source Census information and the different styles and to be honest I have not made up my mind and won't till I have really done enough to decide. What I have seen less discussion of and really wanted to know more of is how to others document the lines/columns in a Census or do you even bother? 1. In Legacy you have an event called Census. What others enter do and find works best and why for the related event fields? -Description: -Date: -Place: -Notes: 2. How do you enter specific fields such as in the 1900 US Census like: Relation, Color or Race, Attended School, Can Read, Can Write, Can speak English, Owner or rented home, Farm or House .. or even my favorite in the 1870 Census is Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or idiotic. Do you actually type Can Read: then Yes or No etc.? For each field? Where do you put that info so it looks right and shows up. 3. Do you do anything different if they are Head of House Hold vs not? 4. If you find an occupation field do then also enter that information into a new occupation event? Same thing This information sorta seems like source text, but that did not seem like the best place to put it so it would show up right in most reports. I could see how some would even put it in two places event and source text and I don't mind doing that if that were the best thing How do others handle all the fields and fun details so it shows right in reports or do you just say they were listed in the Census and provide no detailed information? More details the better. thanks for any all suggestions Alan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Jenny, Great idea! For census data, especially down through a lineage, I've usually done a hand-drawn chronology of sorts. But just recently I've been trying to get a handle on which documents I need to search for and request... not just my 4 branches, but also on my husband's side. Thanks!! --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:01:15 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Randolph Clark wrote Question: If you name the census image something other than the name of the primary person sought then how do you (easily) know whether you've found/saved that person's census location? I decided long ago that I needed a simple way of keeping track of what information or I had or did not have for every individual in my file so I created a spreadsheet. It has one sheet for each of the 4 branches of my family and each sheet has the User ID, forenames and surnames down the left side, with years of Birth and Death. There are then columns for Birth, Baptism, Marriage (3 columns - haven't had anyone marry 4 times yet!), Death and Burial, columns for each Census then columns showing briefly who the person is (wife of Joe Bloggs 123, for example) and their relationship (if any) to me. It only takes a second to update it as I go along and I can see at a glance where basic information is still to be located -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database - Updates
I know I'm late to this thread, but did anyone receive an answer from the programmers? Is there an update plan? I am thinking of implementing this functionality, but has its data maintenance been put on a back burner? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 8:44:43 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database - Updates On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:26:14 -0700, 1familytree 1familytree@gmail.com wrote: I am sure that there is a way to update the actual Geo-Code file in Legacy, but I am not a coder or programmer and don't want to do anything that might effect proper operation of my Legacy software. FYI. Legacy's Geo Database is password protected. The casual programmer cannot even see it's content, much less update it. And the .rdb files that you download to update Legacy's Geo Database are binary files of unknown (except to the Legacy programmers) structure. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Angela, Thanks! This is the way I have been doing it. I use the book reports the most, and I like the narrative rather than a list of facts. I also enter the census events on the marriage while they are married. --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Angela Gabbard gabba...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:33:26 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I enter my census as follows: Census Description blank (I got started a long time ago not using this field and never have... not sure what my original reason was.) Date - year of census only Location - town/city, county, state, usa Notes He is living with his wife of 6 years and 4 children, working as a farmer, aged 43. Or She is living with her parents and siblings, attending school, aged 9. Etc... I enter an event for each individual listed in the census. Then in my sources I have the source name to read 1920 US Census: Indiana. SMITH, Joe (listing each census under the head of household name) And in the source details I do a transcription of each census (like others have indicated in their notes... with each name in the household, birth, age, profession, etc.) and then I also attach the census image to the source. This source I then attach to all of the family members. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Randolph Clark wrote Question: If you name the census image something other than the name of the primary person sought then how do you (easily) know whether you've found/saved that person's census location? I decided long ago that I needed a simple way of keeping track of what information or I had or did not have for every individual in my file so I created a spreadsheet. It has one sheet for each of the 4 branches of my family and each sheet has the User ID, forenames and surnames down the left side, with years of Birth and Death. There are then columns for Birth, Baptism, Marriage (3 columns - haven't had anyone marry 4 times yet!), Death and Burial, columns for each Census then columns showing briefly who the person is (wife of Joe Bloggs 123, for example) and their relationship (if any) to me. It only takes a second to update it as I go along and I can see at a glance where basic information is still to be located -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart
This reminds me of a need I had a while back, when working on a DAR application. I needed the Lineage report, but I needed it to know the lineage between me and my Patriot. The Lineage report now just starts at one end and goes through the male line. I my lineage went through my mother and her mother, then all men. Does this sound line anything anyone else would use? It's sort of a combination of the Lineage report (shows spouse and siblings) and one side of the Relationship Calculator (which works its way through men and women). Think I might just make a suggestion... Thanks, --Paula - Original Message From: Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:11:13 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books Exactly right, Valerie. Thanks for explaining it better than I could. Neither a DNA chart nor Relationship will do the same thing. Chick On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Valerie Laskowskilask...@att.net wrote: No, he is referring to taking an ancestor say from the 15th century and having a descendant chart from them to yourself in the most DIRECT route. The descendant chart options in FTM had this feature. At a glance, I think the DNA charts are closest to this, but I will have to make one for myself to see if it matches. Valerie -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of John S. Adams Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Cc: cglewi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books Chick, Drop down chart is the classic descendant chart which has the starting couple on the top line (usually in a box or boxes) with their children and spouses on the second line, grandchildren on the third line, ggrandchildren on the fourth, etc. In Legacy Charting it is the Standard Descendant Chart type. By direct descendant chart, do you mean the chart described above without showing spouses for the children, grandchildren, etc.? John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books John, Thanks, but that is still a bit un-wieldly with large families. That method would work great with a direct descendant only chart. In fact, I use that method to create multiple page ancestor charts, 4 generations at a time. I am not sure I know what a drop-down descendant chart is. Is it printable in a book or a web page? FTM16 had the capability of producing direct descendant charts, but I rather not go back to it. Does anyone know if one of the Legacy add-on charting programs can do a direct descendant chart? Chick On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, John S. Adamsoldbr...@hotmail.com wrote: Chick, I assume you want a drop down descendant chart rather than the line or box descendant chart you can create in Legacy from the Reports menu. You could create a multiple page, multiple generation, descendant chart with Legacy Charting by making a series of 2 generation charts. The first chart would show the starting couple with all their children and children's spouses. Then create a 2 generation chart for each of the children. Then a chart for each of their children, etc., until you've covered the desired number of generations. The number of pages required would of course depend on the number of generations and the number of children in each generation. Is this what you're looking for? John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:26 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books Alastair, Thank you for your response. I am not ready to publish as yet. I am still trying to determine what should go in the book and what type of charts to use. It is difficult to create a readable chart with more than 4 generations on a single standard size page. An ancestor chart or pedigree chart can easily span several generations with continuations to other pages, but that does not work very well with descendant charts. I am looking for a way to create a descendant chart in multiple pages suitable for a book. Another possible way to reduce the size of a descendant chart would be to show direct descendants only. Chick Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages:
Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database - Updates
Thanks, Sherry!! - Original Message From: Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:12:02 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database - Updates There have never been any updates to the Geo Location Database and I don't know of any future plans to update it. Besides we have live mapping now which has much better coordinate information - just not the county information (which are current counties in Geo anyway) Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Paula Ryburn Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:59 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database - Updates I know I'm late to this thread, but did anyone receive an answer from the programmers? Is there an update plan? I am thinking of implementing this functionality, but has its data maintenance been put on a back burner? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 8:44:43 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database - Updates On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:26:14 -0700, 1familytree 1familytree@gmail.com wrote: I am sure that there is a way to update the actual Geo-Code file in Legacy, but I am not a coder or programmer and don't want to do anything that might effect proper operation of my Legacy software. FYI. Legacy's Geo Database is password protected. The casual programmer cannot even see it's content, much less update it. And the .rdb files that you download to update Legacy's Geo Database are binary files of unknown (except to the Legacy programmers) structure. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] MRINs - why they be 8-digits long?
I've just discovered that the MRIN's (which I haven't had displayed for a while) are 8 digits long on most (probably all) the marriages I've entered this year. Well, they are AT LEAST 8 digits long. I can't see the whole number in the little window at the bottom, and for the life of me I can't find how to display them anywhere else. It's confined to my husband's father's branch (that's what we've been working most intensely on this year). I could get more specific if I need to; would require more time. It happens on marriage where I have a date and/or place and on those where I just know they were married. Please send me some suggestions on where to look for the source of this problem. Or feel free to tell me it's not even a problem! ;) Thanks in advance, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] MRINs - why they be 8-digits long?
Aha! You're saying the last MRIN used somehow got a huge number in it. I am not using the MRIN filing system, so I can renumber. I will take a look at that today. Thanks, --Paula On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:22:58 -0700 (PDT), Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I've just discovered that the MRIN's (which I haven't had displayed for a while) are 8 digits long on most (probably all) the marriages I've entered this year. It's not a problem as far as the database is concerned. If the appearance of an 8-digit MRIN is a problem for you, you can use Renumber RINs (also does MRINs) to fill in the gaps. I'm not sure if this will reset the value of the highest used MRIN though, so you might want to check by adding another marriage to see what gets assigned. [[ There is a way to muck with the database to reset this. ]] Of course, you don't want to renumber MRINs if you are using the MRIN Filing System. Backup first. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] MRINs - why they be 8-digits long?
First, let me apologize for my appalling grammer in the Subject line! Sometimes I wonder where my brain went. I don't know how the 8-digit MRINs happened, but it started happening on March 30th. That's the earliest modification date on the affected marriages. (What I did was search marriages with MRIN 2000, tagged all individuals in list with tag 1, then slowly tooled through those, looking at the add and modify dates.) Unfortunately, I have 319 individuals affected. Not sure number of marriages. NOW I see why people were clammering over not being able to use or even see MRIN's and marriage tags!! The MRINs in the marriage list look good through # 633. Then they jump to 29666! Now that I'm typing out loud, that was someone I added from a GEDCOM, which had made me suspect a loading issue at first, but when I saw all the other marriages that I've added this spring summer (like, most of my husband's line and all my Irish cousins that I learned of on holiday) I thought it was not an importing thing. Wait!! Maybe it still is. (Don't you hate people who type while they are still thinking through somthing? sorry!) Perhaps when I loaded this guy and a few others, it loaded the MRINs that were in the GEDCOM into my DB? Then my Legacy just picked up with the next MRIN after THAT? What I would really like to do is renumber the MRINs greater than 29000 to start with 634 or maybe even just 701 (so I'll remember something special happened there). I've read the Help on this, but am not sure it will do what I want (leave other MRINs unaffected not fill in gaps). And I just haven't gotten up the gumption to just try it. (Yes, I've done a backup.) (On a side note, even though the MRINs appear to be only 5 digits in the Marriage list (though I can't widen that column to see if there are more digits), the MRINs shown at the bottom of the main screen all show an additional 3 digits: 940 What's up with that?) If you have any other thoughts, I would appreciate hearing them. Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:32:56 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MRINs - why they be 8-digits long? Paula, I had a similar problem a few years ago. I had to merge five backups together and made #2 start at 11, #3 at 21, etc. Athough I had merged into one database again, when I added new people, did not notice the numbers continued from 5023456. It had also done the same to MRINS. I eventually created fake people, that were given the 'correct' numbers, and merged each high number into a correct 'lowest' number. There were only about 20 people with high numbers so it took a few hours. I later realized I could have created a gedcom of the high numbers, detleted them fromt the main DB, and brought them in with a new starting number (the correct next number) and the computer will 'forget' the other 'deleted high numbers' were next. Since I've played the game, and confused the computer, send privately if needed. Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart
I wasn't intending to have a report from Legacy duplicate the form DAR (or another organization) requires. Just wanted a more flexible worksheet. I will make the suggestion and see where that takes us! ;) Thanks, --Paula - Original Message From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:46:02 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart Let's each make that suggestion to Legacy! It IS an important aspect to genealogy, after all, and since FTM has had such a capability for umpteen years, I am sure Legacy programmers can do likewise CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:46 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart I don't know about anyone else but I could use a lineage report like you described. I noticed the same results trying to run lineage reports for Mayflower Society and other lineage society applications. I ended up tagging each individual and running some report (don't remember which) from there. Terri - Original Message From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:23:34 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart This reminds me of a need I had a while back, when working on a DAR application. I needed the Lineage report, but I needed it to know the lineage between me and my Patriot. The Lineage report now just starts at one end and goes through the male line. I my lineage went through my mother and her mother, then all men. Does this sound line anything anyone else would use? It's sort of a combination of the Lineage report (shows spouse and siblings) and one side of the Relationship Calculator (which works its way through men and women). Think I might just make a suggestion... Thanks, --Paula - Original Message From: Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:11:13 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books Exactly right, Valerie. Thanks for explaining it better than I could. Neither a DNA chart nor Relationship will do the same thing. Chick On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Valerie Laskowskilask...@att.net wrote: No, he is referring to taking an ancestor say from the 15th century and having a descendant chart from them to yourself in the most DIRECT route. The descendant chart options in FTM had this feature. At a glance, I think the DNA charts are closest to this, but I will have to make one for myself to see if it matches. Valerie -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of John S. Adams Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Cc: cglewi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books Chick, Drop down chart is the classic descendant chart which has the starting couple on the top line (usually in a box or boxes) with their children and spouses on the second line, grandchildren on the third line, ggrandchildren on the fourth, etc. In Legacy Charting it is the Standard Descendant Chart type. By direct descendant chart, do you mean the chart described above without showing spouses for the children, grandchildren, etc.? John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books John, Thanks, but that is still a bit un-wieldly with large families. That method would work great with a direct descendant only chart. In fact, I use that method to create multiple page ancestor charts, 4 generations at a time. I am not sure I know what a drop-down descendant chart is. Is it printable in a book or a web page? FTM16 had the capability of producing direct descendant charts, but I rather not go back to it. Does anyone know if one of the Legacy add-on charting programs can do a direct descendant chart? Chick On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, John S. Adamsoldbr...@hotmail.com wrote: Chick, I assume you want a drop down descendant chart rather than the line or box descendant chart you can create in Legacy from the Reports menu. You could create a multiple page, multiple generation, descendant chart with Legacy Charting by making a series of 2 generation charts. The first chart would show the starting couple with all their children and children's spouses. Then create a 2 generation chart for each of the children. Then a chart for each of their children, etc., until you've covered the desired number of generations. The number of pages required would of course depend
Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart
I did enter a suggestion. Sherry, How do I track it? Can I? Thanks, --Paula - Original Message From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:49:36 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart That would be fine for collecting the data, IF ONLY RELATIOSHIP CALCULATOR WORKED! My many requests and emails to Brian have elicited neither an explanation for this long-standing problem with Relationship Calculator, nor a solution. Old LUG posts attest to this being unresolved for many years CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Sherry/Support Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart I used the Relationship Chart from the Relationship Calculator as a worksheet. Of course, DAR won't accept that because they have their own forms for you to fill out. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Paula Ryburn Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:24 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart This reminds me of a need I had a while back, when working on a DAR application. I needed the Lineage report, but I needed it to know the lineage between me and my Patriot. The Lineage report now just starts at one end and goes through the male line. I my lineage went through my mother and her mother, then all men. Does this sound line anything anyone else would use? It's sort of a combination of the Lineage report (shows spouse and siblings) and one side of the Relationship Calculator (which works its way through men and women). Think I might just make a suggestion... Thanks, --Paula Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.95/2368 - Release Date: 09/14/09 17:52:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart
Maybe I will refresh my memory on the issues with RC, but I've never had a problem with it. --Paula - Original Message From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:49:36 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart That would be fine for collecting the data, IF ONLY RELATIOSHIP CALCULATOR WORKED! My many requests and emails to Brian have elicited neither an explanation for this long-standing problem with Relationship Calculator, nor a solution. Old LUG posts attest to this being unresolved for many years CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Sherry/Support Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart I used the Relationship Chart from the Relationship Calculator as a worksheet. Of course, DAR won't accept that because they have their own forms for you to fill out. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Paula Ryburn Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:24 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart This reminds me of a need I had a while back, when working on a DAR application. I needed the Lineage report, but I needed it to know the lineage between me and my Patriot. The Lineage report now just starts at one end and goes through the male line. I my lineage went through my mother and her mother, then all men. Does this sound line anything anyone else would use? It's sort of a combination of the Lineage report (shows spouse and siblings) and one side of the Relationship Calculator (which works its way through men and women). Think I might just make a suggestion... Thanks, --Paula Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.95/2368 - Release Date: 09/14/09 17:52:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery default?
I thought the Picture Center was perfect for attaching group pictures to each individual in that picture--especially upon our return from visiting cousins in Ireland and England. Lots of groups photos, both old and new to scan load! From threads I've read here, I think some expected to be able to identify sourcing gaps by looking for where source document images were attached (or not attached). I'm pretty sure that was not the intent of the Picture Center (imho). --Paula - Original Message From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:42:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery default? ' the Picture Gallery is straightforward, easy to handle and hard to go wrong with; the Picture Gallery, on' Did you mean Picture Center on the second one. I am guessing. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:40:55 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery default? Paula Ryburn wrote Is the Picture Gallery the same as the Picture Center? Because I don't see these 'private' tabs. No, two different things. If you have an Individual's Information screen open and you click on the Picture icon, you open that Indidivudal's Picture Gallery. The Picture Centre, accessed via ToolsPicture Centre is like a little workshop where you work on anyone and everyone's pictures. Another difference is that the Picture Gallery is straightforward, easy to handle and hard to go wrong with; the Picture Gallery, on the other hand, is rather complex and confusing and not so easy to work with. Well that's my opinion and one which I know is shared by other LUGgers. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Birth, Marriage, Death Sources
Mike, Forgive my misunderstanding. I thought I had read that you were moving away from the one master source per fact approach. I understand what you're doing, but I would not do it that way. You seem to be recording the source of the data twice. But, to each his own. (And I could suggest that if you have some Notes about his death, you might want to use the Death Notes instead of a new Death Event... checking first that your reporting requirements are met.) Regarding your real problem. Is the correct master source cited on the 2nd person, just with the wrong image? Or is the wrong master source cited entirely? If it's the correct master source with the wrong picture attached, Edit the Master Source, Remove the picture, and attach the correct one. If it's not the correct master source, go into the individual's attached sources (books icon) and Remove that citation. Then do either your steps 3 and 4 (if the master source you need never did get added) or just cite the correct master source. Hope this makes sense! Nothing should happen to the correct person his citations. --Paula in Texas From: michael barberi michaelbarb...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:50:40 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Birth, Marriage, Death Sources Paula: I am new to Legacy so forgive me if my descriptions are not completely clear. I will try again using Death as an example. 1. First I enter the date of death in the field Died on the individual's screen. 2. Then I create an EVENT called DEATH below under Event/Facts. In the Notes section of the Event Screen called Death, I summarize the source of the date of death and what the source said. 3. Now, on the Event screen, there are icons for Adding or Editing Source Citations, as well as Pictures. I click of the Source icon and create a Specific Master Source for this Death Event (for this individual). I type in the information onto the screen that automatically come up: I name the Source, Individual, text of source, etc. 4. After I finish entering those details, I now attach to this Specific Master Source, a picture of the Certificate of Death. When I am viewing an individual's information, and click on the Event Death, and then click on the icon Source, what is see is: Four tabs called Output, Text/Comments, Repository and Pictures. If I click on the Output tab, I see the information I entered under the headings Footnote/endnote citation, subsequent citation, and bibliography. If I click on the Picture tab, I see a copy of the Certificate of Death in the heading Master Source Picture. If I click on the image of the death certificate, it takes me to the Picture Gallery for the Source. From here, I can open this picture of the death certificate and zoom to read the details. In summary, this is what I have been doing for all Events (birth, marriage, death, naturalization, immigration, etc). I have not created a true Master Source that can be used for more than one individual. However, this does not seem to be difficult (from the suggestions that everyone has been making). All I have to do is revise the Specific Master Source and make it more General. Once done, the Output and Master Source Picture that is attached to the Specific Master Source, will be now attached to the new General Master Source. I have not done this yet but intend to do so. However, my previous issue still stands. I have noticed that a Specific Master Source (for an individual's event) and the attached Picture of the source document, is showing up in someone else's Death Event (as a source). It is also in its correct place for the correct specific individual. Hence, my question about deleting it from the incorrect person's event and whether I will lose it all together for the correct person. Mike Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location
Fair enough. Have you looked at the Chronology Report? I have barely used it, but it seems popular with others to show events during a person's life. Best of luck! --P From: michael barberi michaelbarb...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:05:36 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location Paula: I understand you can enter the residence address for the created Events for individuals (e.g., birth, marriage, death, naturalization). I have not. For one thing, there are more residence addresses for most ancestors than events. Immigrants frequently moved, sometimes every few years. To create a Residence History, I have documented residence addresses of many of my direct ancestors from City Directories spanning 30 years+. This has given me much more information about Residence History than Census and other single year documents. Hence, I created an Event called Residence History. In the Event notes section, I list by year, the person's residence addresses. Sometimes I will include a key life-event in parenthesis (e.g., death, birth, marriage) to add perspective. In summary, the advantages for using one event for Residence History are: 1. There are frequently more Residence Addresses than Events for most immigrants than those contained in Census and other single year documents. 2. I can view a lifetime of residence addresses in chronological order in place and I don't have to print out a report to see it. It is a click away. 3. One list, in one location, in one Event, enables me to see migration patterns easily, compare residence histories of people to determine how a husband and wife may have met each other, whether family members that immigrated lived near or far from each other, etc. 4. The one Event called Residence History can be printed out on a person's Family History Page or Report (at least that is what I understand from the comments of other users). If my ancestors lived in few places throughout their lifetime (e.g., at key lifetime events), your suggestion makes a lot of sense to me. However, I continue to see more advantages to my approach at this time. Then again, I could be wrong. Mike In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:36:21 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location Mike, I have read your posts about Residence History and remain puzzled. I use the Residence event and enter the address (if I know the house # and street) in the Description field, while putting the town/county/state in the Place field. (I can look up the sentence structure I use for you, but I'm pretty sure I didn't change the standard, except maybe for past/present tense.) Events print out very nicely, in order (provided I've sorted them). I am missing the advantage to entering multiple addresses on one event. Thanks, --Paula in Texas From: michael barberi michaelbarb...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 5:25:33 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location Does not Events/Facts appear in reports? If so, I have found creating an Event called Residence History is a great way to see the migration patterns of your ancestors over time. In this Event, I list all known addresses by year, including those locations/addresses at birth, marriage, and death as well as those in Census Records, Naturalization Records, etc. Its all in one place in an easy understandable format. This does not mean I don't record addresses/locations in specific records. I do. However, I don't know of any way that Legacy can display all of an ancestors locations/addresses over his/her lifetime in one place. Mike Barberi In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 11:51:30 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location Bill, I regret to say that you are likely to get many conflicting answers to this one! Personally, I only use the Address Fields as an address book - hence only for living people. I include the full address in the Location Field, in which I include House, and Street as well as Town, City, County, Country (I'm from England). Why? Mainly because the Address
Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart
Rich, I use Deluxe, too. There is a Lineage report, that shows the spouse and siblings of each MALE in a direct line. You specify where to start, and it works back from there. What I suggested was the same CONTENT (spouses and siblings of each PERSON in a direct line), but allow us to select the starting AND ending person, then the program has to work from person A to person B, which might include one or more FEMALES. I think you can see how the logic to work through the lineage is the same as one leg of the RC, once the ending person is determined (the common ancestor). In this new report, we would enter the ancestor, so it would only use the second half of the RC logic. (I also asked to be able to include source citations.) --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:48:04 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart It is already there. I was asking what was wanted, that wasn't in the Tools\Relationship Calculator, and did not understand the answer. Unless this is for Deluxe only. I have always had Deluxe so never new what might be missing. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:46:02 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart Let's each make that suggestion to Legacy! It IS an important aspect to genealogy, after all, and since FTM has had such a capability for umpteen years, I am sure Legacy programmers can do likewise CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:46 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart I don't know about anyone else but I could use a lineage report like you described. I noticed the same results trying to run lineage reports for Mayflower Society and other lineage society applications. I ended up tagging each individual and running some report (don't remember which) from there. Terri - Original Message From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:23:34 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart This reminds me of a need I had a while back, when working on a DAR application. I needed the Lineage report, but I needed it to know the lineage between me and my Patriot. The Lineage report now just starts at one end and goes through the male line. I my lineage went through my mother and her mother, then all men. Does this sound line anything anyone else would use? It's sort of a combination of the Lineage report (shows spouse and siblings) and one side of the Relationship Calculator (which works its way through men and women). Think I might just make a suggestion... Thanks, --Paula - Original Message From: Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:11:13 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books Exactly right, Valerie. Thanks for explaining it better than I could. Neither a DNA chart nor Relationship will do the same thing. Chick On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Valerie Laskowskilask...@att.net wrote: No, he is referring to taking an ancestor say from the 15th century and having a descendant chart from them to yourself in the most DIRECT route. The descendant chart options in FTM had this feature. At a glance, I think the DNA charts are closest to this, but I will have to make one for myself to see if it matches. Valerie -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of John S. Adams Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Cc: cglewi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books Chick, Drop down chart is the classic descendant chart which has the starting couple on the top line (usually in a box or boxes) with their children and spouses on the second line, grandchildren on the third line, ggrandchildren on the fourth, etc. In Legacy Charting it is the Standard Descendant Chart type. By direct descendant chart, do you mean the chart described above without showing spouses for the children, grandchildren, etc.? John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books John, Thanks, but that is still a bit un-wieldly with large families. That method would work great with a direct descendant only chart. In fact, I use that method to create multiple page ancestor charts, 4 generations
Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery default?
Thanks, Jenny. I'm with you now. I guess I had never thought of there being a name for gallery. ;) - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:40:55 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery default? Paula Ryburn wrote Is the Picture Gallery the same as the Picture Center? Because I don't see these 'private' tabs. No, two different things. If you have an Individual's Information screen open and you click on the Picture icon, you open that Indidivudal's Picture Gallery. The Picture Centre, accessed via ToolsPicture Centre is like a little workshop where you work on anyone and everyone's pictures. Another difference is that the Picture Gallery is straightforward, easy to handle and hard to go wrong with; the Picture Gallery, on the other hand, is rather complex and confusing and not so easy to work with. Well that's my opinion and one which I know is shared by other LUGgers. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dash - in Picture Center picture list
Thanks, Dennis. This worked perfectly. --P - Original Message From: Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:42:48 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dash - in Picture Center picture list On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:12:21 -0700 (PDT), Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What does View Current List of Multimedia Locations show? -- C:\Legacy C:\Legacy\Data C:\Legacy\Pictures I've just checked and the 3 files in question only exist in the Pictures folder. Is this something I should worry about? First of all, you don't have any kind of data integrity problem (unlike the one you described in your Error.log post). You probably also have a blank row in View Current List of Multimedia Locations, correct. What I think is going on is that most of your pictures are pointing at that blank row, which represents your default picture directory. While the 3 you are worried about are pointing at the 4th row. Legacy still finds the pictures in either case. If you really wanted to fix this quirk, make a backup. Then, double-check that your default picture directory is C:\Legacy\Pictures. Now, in View Current List of Multimedia Locations, combine C:\Legacy\Pictures with the blank line at the top. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Error.Log question
I've just run a check/repair, and the only error I had was - Surname (Pelton) for the Individual in RIN 406 doesn't match the Alternate Name. Individual Surname=Pelton, IDNR=64, Soundex=P435, Alternate Surname=Pelton, IDNR=556, Soundex=P435. Changing Alternate to match Individual Record (m:256) There are 10 of these with 5 different surnames. I rarely use AKA names, so I don't think these have them. Is that what this is about? Should I be worrying about this at all? Feel free to point me to documentation / explanation. Thanks in advance, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Dash - in Picture Center picture list
I had just loaded several old photographs gathered from cousins while on vacation this summer, attaching them to all the people in the photos. I noticed that 3 of my images (these have been there a while; not new) had - next to them. Looked at Help, and it says they have a different path than the standard C:\Legacy\Pictures. But these three images are in the Pictures folder. (almost typed directory... sure would've aged me!) One of them is attached to a marriage, and the other two are attached to sources. With the first one, how can I see what the path is it thinks it is using? I did the Customize thing where you can verify paths, and it said there were no missing pictures/wrong paths. (I forget at this moment the exact wording on that one.) If you could point me in the right direction toward clearing up this question, I would appreciate it. I'd like to be SURE everything is pointing to the Pictures folder. Thanks, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dash - in Picture Center picture list
I had just loaded several old photographs gathered from cousins while on vacation this summer, attaching them to all the people in the photos. I noticed that 3 of my images (these have been there a while; not new) had - next to them. Looked at Help, and it says they have a different path than the standard C:\Legacy\Pictures. But these three images are in the Pictures folder. (almost typed directory... sure would've aged me!) One of them is attached to a marriage, and the other two are attached to sources. With the first one, how can I see what the path is it thinks it is using? I did the Customize thing where you can verify paths, and it said there were no missing pictures/wrong paths. (I forget at this moment the exact wording on that one.) If you could point me in the right direction toward clearing up this question, I would appreciate it. I'd like to be SURE everything is pointing to the Pictures folder. What does View Current List of Multimedia Locations show? -- C:\Legacy C:\Legacy\Data C:\Legacy\Pictures I've just checked and the 3 files in question only exist in the Pictures folder. Is this something I should worry about? Thanks, --Paula Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Multiple Prefixes
Yes. Am married to a pastor. Reverend is from the reverend so-and-so, with or w/out PhD or DMin. --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Robert Carneal USA carnea...@adelphia.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:29:08 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Multiple Prefixes Thank you, everyone. I think I will go with Rev. Dr. If I spell it out completely, it chops two letters off the name. Thanks- Robert At 2009-08-27 02:55 PM, you wrote: Robert, It may seem strange, but that's the standard order and usage for such individuals, one famous example being Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. There might be some standards for order based on when each title was conferred, but Reverend Doctor appears to be the preferred order based on a quick bit of Googling. Typically Reverend is the first prefix, followed by any other title an individual might have, so for a military chaplain you might have the Rev. Lieutenant John Doe (or possibly the Rev. Lt. Dr. John Doe!) An alternative would be to represent the doctorate as a suffix (e.g. Rev. John Doe, D.D. or Ph.D. depending on the exact degree received), but that creates its own potential set of issues, especially for someone who already has a suffix such as MLK Jr... and whenever possible I would defer to how they presented themselves during their life, if such information is known. -Steve On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Robert Carneal USAcarnea...@adelphia.net wrote: I do not want to start a long thread, but how are you handling multiple prefixes? I have a few people in my family who were both doctors (not medical drs, but doctors of the faith), and also they were known as Reverends. Entering Reverend Doctor into the prefix seems strange. Is there a better way? (I am thinking about Rev. Dr. Shorter, anyway, but it is proper?) Thanks. Robert Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Missing Buried Place names?
Mine are fine, but I'm still on 107. Keep us posted. - Original Message From: Susan Perrett sus...@st.net.au To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:13:02 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Missing Buried Place names? Hi, Has anyone noticed that all the place names beside the Buried information is missing on the Family tab? And yet the information is still there in the Individual's Information window. This has only happened since version 7.0.0.109 My version of 7.0.0.103 on my laptop still has all the place names Buried in the correct places. Anyone else have this problem? Susan, Victoria, Australia. English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK, post 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre 1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, OXENDEN-Kent, All. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Pass on mother's name, not father's
I have a cousin who, when she married, both she and her husband took his mother's maiden name. Good to know Legacy handles just about anything, eh? --Paula - Original Message From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:31:28 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Pass on mother's name, not father's Robert, I would override Legacy, afterall their second names would be Monroe. I only know of one real life incidence of this, someone I know took his wife's maiden name on marriage (this is legal in England) hence his kids had their mother's name, could that have happened with yours? BTW In the case I mention it was done as the person concerned was receiving a little too much attention from the police :-) Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:55:12 -0500 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com From: carnea...@adelphia.net Subject: [LegacyUG] Pass on mother's name, not father's Trying to decide this one here. I have a family who gave their kids the maiden name of the mother. Like this for example: John Brown marries Jane Monroe. They have five children. Their names are: Kathy Monroe, David Monrow, Melissa Monroe, Amy Monroe Edy Monroe. Legacy want to give the kids the fathers name, which it should 99.99 percent of the time. This is the exception. How would you handle it? Thanks. Robert _ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery default?
This thread sounds like something I will need to know. However, I don't really understand the original qustion! Is the Picture Gallery the same as the Picture Center? Because I don't see these 'private' tabs. Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:43:25 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery default? Your question caused me to discover this whole 'hidden' part. By searching around, I found my 'individual tab' had a * and 26 photos. Next I moved to 'all pictures' which showed 31 photos and a *. With furthur exploring found that all the tabs seemed to be tied to my Events, and since I have about 10 residences, half with no photo attached, the pattern was discovered. I just switched to one of my 'private' tabs, then turned off Legacy and rebooted Legacy. When I went to my Gallery it had reset itself to Individual. IMHO, the program should default to 'All pictures' if anything. This is something that happened with the new update, since in the recent past, when I went in that gallery, I never noticed less than the 31. This is a 'bug?' from the most recent update 7.0.0.107, 20 Aug 2009. Rich in LA CA --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery default? To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 1:38 AM Susan Perrett wrote Does anyone know if the default can be changed/saved in the Picture Gallery, for anyone with multiple photos, so that the option on the right hand side selection, which always shows Individual can the default be saved to show as for ALL PICTURES? I don't think you can do that. Unless someone else pops up to say that you can, it might something to suggest as a new feature. I can certainly see that as a benefit. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center - Undo Set Preferred
Bill, Having just recently ustarted usig the Picture Gallery and pretty intensively, I think I have a quicker answer for you. Highlight the individual in the name list on the left. You should then see all the photos/images attached to whichever events in the Attached Pictures window center bottom. Click on the Attached Pics tab on the right. See the Set Preferred button? Highlight the photos/image you want to be preferred and click on Set Preferred. The * automatically moves from the gravestone picture to the one you want. (provided you have another picture you want to use.) Hope this helps. --Paula From: William H. Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com To: Legacy Family Tree List legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:12:39 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Picture Center - Undo Set Preferred I looked through the manual, but did not find a way to reset an image to not be Preferred. In other words, I have images of grave stones for people that I don't want to include as their profile picture. I also do not have a photo of these people. Does the program automatically assign at least one photo as preferred? I am in the process of moving a lot of tombstone photos from Individual to my Grave category. I just figured out how to do that and noticed that a lot of these tombstones are set as the preferred image. Bill Boswell Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Picture Center - Undo Attach ??
What I would really like to know is if/how I can un-attach a picture? Sometimes I have attached it to the individual and would now rather it be attached to the marriage, or vice versa. Can I do this within Picture Center? Or must I pull up the individaul and marriage and do it manually? Thanks, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Birth, Marriage, Death Sources
Michael, Did you attach the picture to the Master Source? Or to the detail citation? As I remember your posts about how you were using master sources and how you were planning to change that (?), you had a book that would be a single master source (or maybe you had one master source for all deaths in that book). You had the option to add all the images to the master source, or to add each image to the detail citations for that page/record. I hope I am making sense. It is pretty late here! Further, you may have added one image at the master source level, and subsequent ones at the detail citation level. How is it you are viewing the images now? ViewMaster ListsSource ? or from an Individuals assigned sources? I'm also a bit confused when you say you go to Pasquale's death event record. Have you entered additional Events in the event list for him? Or do you mean you're looking at the source citation for the death field (which is of course an event, but it's not down in the events list). --Paula From: michael barberi michaelbarb...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:25:53 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Birth, Marriage, Death Sources I have noticed that several specific Master Sources (specific to an individual's event) are showing up as the Sources of other family member events. For example, the death event source for Liberato Barbieri shows the death source for Pasquale Barbieri. The picture of the Death Record for Liberato is also Pasquale's. However, when I go to Pasquale's death event record, the source and death certificate picture is also there. If I delete the death record source for Liberato, will I be deleting the death record source for Pasquale? Apart from solving this specific problem, does any one know why this occurred? Mike Barberi In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
Thank you everyone for your opinions, especially from Scotlan! I believe I've always entered them without a space, so was surprised to see any WITH a space. They may have come in an import, though. I'm going with NO space. --Paula in Texas --- On Fri, 9/11/09, RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net wrote: From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 8:37 AM If my ancestor Alexander Mc Dougal always signed his name 'wrong' his whole life, does that make it right? Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Michele Lewis cranberryf...@charter.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:34:21 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? I disagree with Mary Slawson on this one (I have her book and I like it). People who have a Mc last name do not put a space when they write it. michele - Original Message - From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard? Kirsten Bowman wrote _Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson recommends leaving a space. I am amazed, I would have said that inserting a space between Mc or Mac and the rest of the name was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] pros/cons source conversion
Thanks to everyone who shared their opinion on converting old Basid sources to Source Write format. I am especially comforted to know there are other everything must match people out there! ;) I think I will not launch a massive change them over project, but will work at it as I work on a given branch. Over the years, I've focused on just one branch at a time, and in looking at the citations you can see an evolution of how I did them... especially on (the dreaded) census sources! I will also be testing out the Ltools, and I have saved a thread on using Access. Thanks again, --Paula Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Sources suggestions
Doris, Regarding using tags: When I am trying to change a master source (from basic to SW being one reason), I will use tags. Maybe you already know these steps, but just in case... View Master Lists Source Click on the Source you want to get rid of Show List brings up all the individuals with citations Select the tag # you want to use then click Tag Everyone in List At the very bottom of the screen, set it to show the tag # you used. Then click the right arrow (triangle) to get to the first person in the tagged list. Click on their sources icon (the books). Click on the citation you want to replace. Usually this point is where I open the source clipboard and set up the new master source. (You could've set up the new master source in View Master Lists Source.) In case you haven't used the source clipboard, here are the steps I use. Click on the upward pointing blue triangle way to the left of the window to open the clipboard. Do Step 1 as described (which includes ADDing a new master source... else just select the one you've already added) Do Step 2 as described - this is where you enter the detail citation information. (Depending on the type of source you may need to change this a bit for different people, but hopefully you can enter it once and it will work for all the individuals.) I like to Save a Clipboard so I can come back to this one easily if I get sidetracked (IF? haha) Then Save at the top right. So, you have the source citation saved on a clipboard ready to be assigned where you need it. Now, back in the individuals source citations window, with the old/unwanted citation highlighted, click Remove. Then, keeping that same item highlighted, click on the blue - way to the left of that window (just below the blue triangle). Voila! The complete citation has been added to that item. Do the same (Remove, -) for each field using the source for that individual. Close, UNTAG this person, then go to the next tagged individual. When you get to the end of the tagged list, you are finished. It's still pretty tedious, but at least you are not re-typing the detail citation for every field/individual. Unfortunately, I speak from experience. I think a recent thread has been discussing using the Combine - will the detail citations all still be there? It won't work in your situation because you can't combine Basic and SW sources. Hope this helps. --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Surnames with Mc standard?
What's the standard for entering surnames that begin with Mc.. leave a space or not? For example, Mc Dowell or McDowell...? In looking for ALL CAPS in the Surname list, I discovered I have entered the Mc names both ways. Thanks, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
It sounds to me like Jenny and Ron are saying much the same thing. If Michael sets up one new general master source, then combines one of his specific master sources with this new one, the detail citations of the old specific master source still be there, tied to the new general master source. I think that's what Jenny is saying. And what Ron is saying is: Try it once and see if it works before doing any more! ;) --Paula --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 4:49 PM SgtBob wrote Jenny - If I created a new source with all the data I wanted that 'mirrors' an older one, and then combined the older one with the new one, would all the sources be changed to the new source? It seems to me that I have tried this and the data is now reflected with the new source. Could you elaborate on the consequences of this? Yes, if you merge a Source you have already used with another Source, all the records which had used the previous Source will now use the new one. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Parent-Child relationship
Once upon a time when I first transferred my data from Family Tree Maker to Legacy (L4 or L5??), there was a bug in the GEDCOM load that set all my children's statuses to Natural. Of course, I had done a lot of other work in my file before I discovered that! The bug was fixed immediately after I reported it, but I'm still working my way through my Tag 5 people ;) years later. (just have the outer branches of my tree left) Anyway, there may have been something different about how you loaded those records...? --Paula in Texas --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Parent-Child relationship To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 4:51 PM Thank you Jenny, for showing me a feature I was un-aware of. I still don't know why the relationship showed unknown, but at least I know how to fix it. Legacy is a powerful program with many great features. I think it will take me a month of Sundays to learn everything (well, most of everything) about Legacy. Chick On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Jenny M Bensonge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: Chick Lewis wrote I meant that the family page shows the married couple and their 10 children listed below them. I thought perhaps that was what you meant! I was not aware that right clicking on the child would show a relationship, but yes it does show unknown for 3 of the 10 listed children. I see how to fix it by replacing unknown with the blank selection, but I don't understand how unknown got there to begin with. Nor do I. Is this field supposed to be set when entering data? Shouldn't the default show nothing? Yes, it should. Sorry, but I can't offer any explanation. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] The marriage tag - What is is good for?
If I understood the gist of this thread, we need two enhancements to Legacy re: marriage tags: 1. Ability to tag marriages found as result of a detailed search. 2. Ability to view just the tagged marriages (in lists, reports, etc.) Am I correct? Do we need to submit a formal request on the Legacy website? Has someone already done that? Thanks, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] pros/cons source conversion
I have been contemplating converting my (old) sources from Basic to Source Writer format. However, I'm thinking I just have the urge to do it due to my personality... everything must match etc. I would appreciate it if any of you on this list could share with me any concrete advantages to converting perfectly good Basic format sources to Source Writer format. Thanks in advance, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Imported sources question
PJudy,/P PI whole-heartedly second Jenny's experiences (I wish I had...) and her suggestion about familiarizing yourself with Legacy, especially seeing how things will look on the reports... and finding out which reports will be your favorites because no all report options are the same.nbsp; I am not at my own PC right now, but I'm pretty sure there's a sample database available.nbsp; Add one or two of your folks to that, or one or two sources, and see how it works amp; looks on reports.nbsp; If you have questions, post 'em here.nbsp; You'll find that there are a wide variety of opinions on how to do sourcing (especially censuses) and other things./P PI think you will thoroughly enjoy Legacy once you get things loaded and going./P PBest wishes for success,/P P--Paula in Texas/P PBRBR--- On BSat, 8/29/09, Jenny M Benson Ilt;ge...@cedarbank.me.ukgt;/I/B wrote:/P BLOCKQUOTE style=BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px DIV class=plainMailBRBRIf I were you I would take the time to familiarise yourself with Legacy quite thoroughly before you make too many changes to your file.nbsp; I know I am not in alone in having said to myself (many times!) I wish I'd done it differently at the start.BRBRIn particular, I suggest you find out all about how Sources are documented in Legacy, decide whether you want to use SourceWriter or Basic Sources and make a few experiments with a few Sources and Reports to what suits you best.BR-- Jenny M BensonBRBR/DIV/BLOCKQUOTE Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
Well stated Jenny! I didn't know where to start in explaining it to him. Thanks for all your contributions here. --Paula in Texas --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 4:04 AM michael barberi wrote I am always reluctant, perhaps based on ignorance, to use the same Master Source for each individual. I always like to guard against an inadvertent computer error, that might corrupt or mix up the source detail of individuals that are associated with one Master Source. I may not be following an intelligent sourcing method but each Source to me is different. Somethings it is just a year as in The Civil Birth Records 1888 of Cerreto Sannita, Italy (different years make for a different source; although I can see why this may not be correct). I am open to education. If I am not following the method that everyone else uses, or if my concerns over potential problems are over-done, let me know. I think you are *not* following the method which everyone, broadly speaking, uses and that your concerns over-done. If you hang around here for a while you will probably see a lot of discussion about lumping and splitting - this refers to how much you information you group together as one Source or how much you split it up. To take one example, the Census. In England Wales we have usually had one Census every 10 years since 1841. Some people (extreme lumpers) would have one Master Source named something like England Census and put the year and everything else into the Details. Splitters might have one Master Source for, say, each County for each Year. But having said that, there is a limit to how much anyone splits and I don't think there is anyone here who has carried it to the extent you are doing. I do encourage you to think again about using Master Sources and Source Details to their best advantage. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
Judy, Just two more thoughts on your letter. I had a letter from my great-grandfather's grandfather written in 1882 that outlined nearly all my lineage for DAR membership, so many individuals across generations were referenced. I set up one master source, then entered detailed citations for the individuals or their events (as eloquently described by others on this list). 1. In some cases, I had set up an event, like Notes where I entered the text of the letter, so it would show up on book-style reports. That is, I didn't just enter it on the Text tab in the detail citation, because I wanted (eg) the man's description of his grandfather's call to serve in the Rev. War to be in reports. In most other cases, I had the pertinent paragraph (eg) describing his late mother in the Text tab. 2. You might want to take a look at using the sourcing clipboard. It's a way to set up the detail citation once, then attach that citation to multiple fields on an individual (or even multiple individuals). Let's say you have a paragraph that describes the birth and baptism of your mother and her sisters. Open the source clipboard, select the letter as master source, enter the paragraph in the detail, save to the clipboard. Then open up your mother's individual data, enter her birthdate location and while the cursor is in that field, click on the little blue minus sign on the left. Enter her baptism date location, click on the blue minus sign. Save, and pull up her sister. Enter the data, click on the blue minus sign, etc. You have only typed in the paragraph once, but now it is the source citation for all those pieces of data. I'm not at home to make sure I've described this totally correctly, but it's explained in Help and online. And of course, post your questions here. GOOD LUCK! --Paula in Texas --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Judy jusen...@gmail.com wrote: From: Judy jusen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 10:58 AM I wish to thank everyone who has contributed to this discussion. It has really helped me, as a newbie, understand the Sourcing system in Legacy. Before this discussion, I was really lost, having come from a totally different way of tracking sources (Generations). Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Installing (2nd) Legacy on laptop for travel
Just to clarify: If I've never set up separate folders all my pictures are in Legacy's /pictures folder, then I'm good to go, right? Thanks, --Paula --- On Sun, 7/26/09, ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com wrote: From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Installing (2nd) Legacy on laptop for travel To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 12:05 AM Paula, Your multimedia file back-up is a zip file of all your multimedia files. You need to copy the back-up across to your Lap-top as before and then unzip it using the windows un-zip function or any other, and locate the files to the *same folder path* as on your PC. If they do not come up in Legacy opt to search for your self and point Legacy to the correct place. You need to do this for one pic from each multimedia folder. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:38:37 -0700 From: paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Installing (2nd) Legacy on laptop for travel To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Well, I followed my own instructions haha and it worked fine. However, when I restored from backup, I could only pick one file... the family file. How do I restore from backup the multimedia files? Thanks, --Paula --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Paula Ryburn wrote: From: Paula Ryburn Subject: [LegacyUG] Installing (2nd) Legacy on laptop for travel To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 5:11 PM I've checked a thread or two in the archives looked at the Legacy website, but want to double-check here with the experts. ;) We have a new laptop for traveling, and I would like to put my Legacy software and database on it. Do I just download the non-Deluxe version to the laptop? install it unlock the Deluxe features? Then transport my .fdb file to the laptop? OR can I just copy the latest backup to the laptop restore from backup there? Do you think it would be okay to NOT put all the multi-media files on the laptop? I'm not planning to run reports; just want to be able to enter new data. Although, I might be getting new pictures wanting to use the Picture Center. hmmm Any tips would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, --Paula in Texas _ Windows Live Messenger: Happy 10-Year Anniversary—get free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Installing (2nd) Legacy on laptop for travel
I've checked a thread or two in the archives looked at the Legacy website, but want to double-check here with the experts. ;) We have a new laptop for traveling, and I would like to put my Legacy software and database on it. Do I just download the non-Deluxe version to the laptop? install it unlock the Deluxe features? Then transport my .fdb file to the laptop? OR can I just copy the latest backup to the laptop restore from backup there? Do you think it would be okay to NOT put all the multi-media files on the laptop? I'm not planning to run reports; just want to be able to enter new data. Although, I might be getting new pictures wanting to use the Picture Center. hmmm Any tips would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Installing (2nd) Legacy on laptop for travel
Well, I followed my own instructions haha and it worked fine. However, when I restored from backup, I could only pick one file... the family file. How do I restore from backup the multimedia files? Thanks, --Paula --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [LegacyUG] Installing (2nd) Legacy on laptop for travel To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 5:11 PM I've checked a thread or two in the archives looked at the Legacy website, but want to double-check here with the experts. ;) We have a new laptop for traveling, and I would like to put my Legacy software and database on it. Do I just download the non-Deluxe version to the laptop? install it unlock the Deluxe features? Then transport my .fdb file to the laptop? OR can I just copy the latest backup to the laptop restore from backup there? Do you think it would be okay to NOT put all the multi-media files on the laptop? I'm not planning to run reports; just want to be able to enter new data. Although, I might be getting new pictures wanting to use the Picture Center. hmmm Any tips would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Installing (2nd) Legacy on laptop for travel
Thanks, Mark. Will keep this for our return. --P --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Mark Lang markl...@tpg.com.au wrote: From: Mark Lang markl...@tpg.com.au Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Installing (2nd) Legacy on laptop for travel To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:31 PM Hi Paula, You have it in a nutshell. Download and install the exe onto the laptop and unlock using your unique serial number. Copy over your FDB data file. I wouldn't worry about the multimedia personally. It will be easier to identify which images you have placed in the database because they will be the only images on the computer when you transfer back. On this note, create a file structure exactly the same on your laptop as is on your PC right back to the root directory. This way when you transfer the images from the laptop back to the PC, the file path has not changed and hopefully no hiccups. When you are finished, backup the laptop copy of the FDB file, so you now have a backup copy; and when you copy the family file back to its original location, allow the over-write because you are replacing the original file with an updated version, this way the file names don't change. Kind Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Paula Ryburn Sent: Sunday, 26 July 2009 7:42 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Installing (2nd) Legacy on laptop for travel I've checked a thread or two in the archives looked at the Legacy website, but want to double-check here with the experts. ;) We have a new laptop for traveling, and I would like to put my Legacy software and database on it. Do I just download the non-Deluxe version to the laptop? install it unlock the Deluxe features? Then transport my .fdb file to the laptop? OR can I just copy the latest backup to the laptop restore from backup there? Do you think it would be okay to NOT put all the multi-media files on the laptop? I'm not planning to run reports; just want to be able to enter new data. Although, I might be getting new pictures wanting to use the Picture Center. hmmm Any tips would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Add SW template?---was: Sourcing question
Mike was right. ;) --- On Sat, 7/18/09, ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com wrote: From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Add SW template?---was: Sourcing question To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 5:47 AM Mike, :-O I hope not ;-) Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:27:08 +0200 From: mike...@iafrica.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Add SW template?---was: Sourcing question I think Paula is under the impression that you'd discovered a way to create a new Source Writer template - one that didn't arrive in the last update of Legacy. :-) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:36:37 -0700 From: paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Add SW template?---was: Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Okay, Ron, now I am intrigued. How do you do this? Thanks, --Paula --- On Fri, 7/10/09, ronald ferguson wrote: For the template Add a new Source Writer template by entering in the Search box marriage England. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. _ Celebrate a decade of Messenger with free winks, emoticons, display pics, and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Magically Appearing Unknown Spouses and Parents
Thanks, Dennis, for explaining this so well! --Paula --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com wrote: From: Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Magically Appearing Unknown Spouses and Parents To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 11:56 AM On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:46:02 -0700 (PDT), Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'm with Connie on when this feature appeared. It's recent, and I think it was with Legacy 7. It works the same way in V6. As far as I know, it's been this way for a long time ... if not forever. And the option to DISPLAY Unknown or leave blank was also there in V6. I would think that if the Unknown spouse (either displaying the name Unknown or not, depending on what I *can* set in Customize) is added by the software for its own internal whatever, then when we come along and want to add the real spouse, this magically appearing spouse should just disappear (especially if I'm not displaying the Unknown). It does for me (in V6). In Family View, when I click on one of these Unknown parent placeholders I am presented with an Add dialog which has a checkbox which says Add this person to the currently displayed marriage pre-checked. Is the problem really that in addition to adding the Unknown spouse placeholder, the software also links the child(ren) to this Unknown parent placeholder? Is this just for some sort of internal database requirement.. you must have two parent records if you want to link children to one or the other of them...? For the techies out there, this is how it works (in V6)... When you link an individual to a father or mother (not parents), Legacy assumes you don't know who the other parent is. It does this because if you did know who the other parent is, you would have added that parent first and then linked the individual to the parents instead. Since Legacy makes this assumption it adds a new row in tblMR (Marriage Record) with the RIN of the father (or mother) that you specified and a RIN of 0 (zero) for the missing parent. Note ... it does not add a row in tblIR (Individual Record) for the missing parent. A RIN of 0 in either tblMR.IDIRHusb or tblMR.IDIRWife means that person is unknown and, depending on your option settings, tells Legacy to display the word Unknown or leave blank. Legacy must add a Marriage Record because the next thing it does is add a row in tblCR (Child Record) to represent the relationship between the child and his/her parents (one of which is unknown). The database is designed to represent the is a child of relationship by linking an Individual Record (the child) to a Marriage Record (the parents) via a row in tblCR. So, in a way, it is done this way because of an internal database requirement. But this requirement is derived from modeling the real world. and I hope Legacy will consider changing how things work to additionally keep the user happy (not just the database). I see no problem with the way Legacy has designed this. But then again, I make a habit of actually adding an unknown spouse as a new Individual record before adding any children. And I always use Add Parents when linking an existing individual to existing parents. Now that I think about it, I guess the only change I would recommend is that Legacy actually add an Individual Record for this unknown spouse with its own RIN ( 0) instead of using the RIN 0 placeholder hack in the Marriage Record. But I really haven't given this a lot of thought. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Another Idea On Place Holders, Pseudonyms Etc.
I have used somewhat made up names a few times, just to help me keep things straight while doing research on a particular line. Like, using Johnswife and Jamesswife etc for surnames on all the Elizabeth without surname spouses belonging to brothers cousins of the same age/generation. And one time I was trying to track the tick marks on a few consecutive early censuses, when my grandfather remarried very soon after his first wife (my grandmother) died giving birth to my ggg grandfather leaving 4 orphan children. Used Johnsbrother and Janesboy etc. In fact, I think those are still in there. I am working on other lineages right now, so they haven't popped out at me lately. Not anything I would leave in to publish, though! I will look at using the [[privacy]] bracket... see how it looks on book reports. Thanks for that suggestion! --Paula --- On Mon, 7/20/09, howlanddavi...@aol.com howlanddavi...@aol.com wrote: From: howlanddavi...@aol.com howlanddavi...@aol.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Another Idea On Place Holders, Pseudonyms Etc. To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 12:27 PM Sherry wrote why she felt that using LNU, etc., was a bad idea and said why she recommended a blank so that someone could print a book with places to *fill in the blanks.* She is probably not going to be happy with my solution. I put in the name that I know, be it given or surname, and then put [spouse of John Smith], or something similar, as the missing name. This way, when I see it, I know who this person hooks up to. Of course, I then have to go to the Exclude From Potential Problem icon and say that the illegal characters are not illegal for the time being. Each to his/her own, I guess. But other suggestions are always welcome. Howland Davis An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Witness event sentence structure
Jenny, Thank you. Very inclusive. --Paula --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: This is the Sentence I use for a Witness Event: ‹b›[EventName]‹/b›: [onDate] [HeShe] was a [-EventName] to the [Desc] at [Place].[Sources] which reads Witness: on 10 July 2009 she was a Witness to the Marriage of her sister Fanny Adams at St Joseph's Church, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England (1). Obviously this Sentence only covers an Event where all fields are completed - easy to adapt it if necessary. I haven't yet seen the need to use the Notes field, so this is not included in the Sentence. I have used (1) to indicate the superscripted number for the Source and the EventName is in bold.. As you will see, this Sentence covers any occasion, not just a Marriage, because you enter in the Desc field what the occasion was. On a related theme, I also have an event named Informant with the sentence: ‹b›[EventName]‹/b›: [onDate] [HeShe] registered the [Desc] [inPlace].[Sources] which covers the registering of Births, Marriages and Deaths. A typical Event would read Informant: on 10 July 2009 she registered the birth of her son John Smith in Birkenhead, Cheshire, England.(1) -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sources Not Printing On To-Do List/Research Log
Thanks, Brian. I've just updated look forward to a good-looking set of end notes. ;) --Paula --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: The blank entries for excluded sources is a separate issue. In fact that problem has been solved and the fix will be included in the next update to Legacy. The ToDo report problem is still outstanding. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching for unsourced data
If you click on a name in your search results... on the Edit tab to the right, the sourced field names should be highlighted (like they are on the regular Edit Individual screen); same for Notes tab; on the Events tab, the S column shows which have been sourced; lastly, the Sources tab shows all the events source citations (a little cramped, but...). Hope this helps. --Paula PS--I, too, appreciate these threads, as I've learned how to use the Search Missing sources function.. even though a run for ALL gives me way too many individuals!! --- On Thu, 7/16/09, jeffma...@orthohelp.com jeffma...@orthohelp.com wrote: snip To find the actual missing sources would I need to search by each subset individually or is there a better way? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Picture Centre query
Thank you for pointing out the Picture Center to me. It works perfectly for pictures of people in my file. I can quickly highlight each name attach the picture. SO much easier than pulling up each individual all those steps for getting the picture loaded. I think it will work well for pictures of family homes, attaching to Residence events. Of course, most of my images are census and vital records, which I can't, shouldn't, won't do anything with in the Picture Center. Thanks again, --Paula --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: Jenny, The Picture Filename List shows if pictures are linked within the entire Family File by the presence of a +. It doesn't show what they're linked to. In the Attached Pictures list underneath that, you can see which *events* the pictures are linked to for the highlighted individual individual. The Picture indicated with the + could be linked to *anyone* or *anything* in the Family File. You cannot directly attach a picture to a Source or Location through the Picture Center. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Notes VS Events Text
Bob, I haven't done many Obituaries, but I generally enter it as a Source, adding either a scanned image of the Obit. or typing in the text of the Obit. in the Text field (choosing typically not to print it). Then I like to put the information from the Obituary in as Events and/or Notes on the people involved, or just use the Obit. as a source for the parents' or siblings' names. You might enter the pallbearer information on the individual(s) serving and/or enter them as a list in the Burial Notes. (I've also seen on this list that people set up Funeral events.) In short, I rarely print the Obituary itself in the book reports I use. Hope this helps. --Paula Subject topic - What are the recommendations or group thoughts on where to put Obituary text? I have placed most of them in the event area and entered the obitiuary/writeup into the text/comments block. When I prepare a Book/Narrative, these appear in the end notes. Now I am wondering if placing them in the General notes would be more appropriate. When reading a book, the general notes appear right below the individual in lieu of being a concise entry showing the idata is at the end. In accounting there are' Generally Accepted Accounting Practices' - so is the 'Generally Accepted Genealogical Entry' for such items. Or - is it a personal preference? Bob Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Magically Appearing Unknown Spouses and Parents
I'm with Connie on when this feature appeared. It's recent, and I think it was with Legacy 7. I would think that if the Unknown spouse (either displaying the name Unknown or not, depending on what I *can* set in Customize) is added by the software for its own internal whatever, then when we come along and want to add the real spouse, this magically appearing spouse should just disappear (especially if I'm not displaying the Unknown). Is the problem really that in addition to adding the Unknown spouse placeholder, the software also links the child(ren) to this Unknown parent placeholder? Is this just for some sort of internal database requirement.. you must have two parent records if you want to link children to one or the other of them...? Thanks for explaining, and I hope Legacy will consider changing how things work to additionally keep the user happy (not just the database). --Paula --- On Fri, 7/17/09, clshee...@yahoo.com clshee...@yahoo.com wrote: Ron (and Rich), Well, I guess that's what I get for not reading the Complicated Family thread yet. In retrospect, I must have tried to link the father (already in my database, but linked to no one) to the daughter (in my database with many descendants) before I added his wife. I didn't notice if Unknown had an RIN; I do know when I finally looked at the spouses icon in the lower left of the Family View it showed him with two wives: Unknown and the real one with a name.. I still think this is a relatively new (and silly) way for Legacy to behave.. I've been using it for years, and can't imagine this is the first time I would have encountered this situation. (Maybe I just lucked out and did it correctly before?). Reminder to Self: If you link a child to a single parent, Legacy creates an Unknown spouse even when you think you've told it not to. If you know the other parent's name, be sure to enter it before you link the child! Thanks to both of you for your help! Connie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching for unsourced data
Well, if you do the Search Missing Source field-by-field (say, start with Birth dt place), then the Print function allows you to print out everyone who's missing a source for that... you can print their name birth information and title it missing birth source citations or some such. I guess it depends on how you want to attack it. Hey, maybe you can then search the search results list for those born in a given state, and start searching online or requesting records or whatever. Good luck.. and would you mind posting back here if you find a workable solution? Thanks, --Paula --- On Fri, 7/17/09, jeffma...@orthohelp.com jeffma...@orthohelp.com wrote: Yes, I realize that. Thank you. However, it would be really nice if the missing sources report would come in a similar format as that of the Potential Problems report. In that report there are only 2 columns: -Name -Problem, the first giving the individual's name and the second explaining the problem. An ideal Missing Sources report would also have 2 analogous columns: -Name and -the specific item missing a source. That would be really cool to have and easier to work from. Ah well. Maybe I can create a report like that from within Access. Thanks again. Jeff Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] RE: Complicated Family
Ron, Awesome roadmap! Another email to keep. Thanks, --Paula --- On Mon, 7/13/09, ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com wrote: Vicky, I replied to your questions yesterday but have only just noticed that it must have evaporated into the ether somewhere, so I'll try and remember what I wrote! Firstly regarding the question of unknowns. As yet Legacy believes that every child is the product of two partners, one of each sex. It has yet to learn of test-tube babies and single-sex partners, thus if a child is linked to only one parent it will then create a partner of the opposite sex with the name of Unknown. This cannot be avoided, but if you go to OptionsData Format towards of the bottom of the right hand column you will see the option to display the name Unknown or otherwise. However please note that the partner will always show as Unknown in ViewMarriage List and on the Spouse Screen. I am going to take it that you mean David and Sally Brown are the children of Ann Brown with an unknown father and Grace Brown is the child of Ann and John Smith. Ann later married David Jones and he and his kids joined the family. I suggest that you unlink David Jones from Ann Brown, unless you linked the kids as Step-kids they should move with him, otherwise unlink them from Ann as well. Now unlink John Smith from Ann and also unlink the three Kids, ie. you are now starting from scratch. To ensure that no residual marriage links remain go to ViewMarriage List and if you do find Ann married to an Unknown then highlight the marriage and use OptionsRemove marriage link. Link David and Sally Brown to Ann as her children, which will create an unknown father. In the Family View for Ann click the Spouse Icon and select: Add a new husbandSelect from existing husband, (do *not* delete the Unknown) and select John Smith. He may come with Grace attached, if so, also link her to Ann, otherwise attach Ann to her parents. If you put Brown or Smith as the surname for each (your choice) in the AKAs you can select your preferred display name. Now just link David Jones as another partner for Ann - the kids should come with him, I'd checked first that they are linked to him and if not link them. Hope that helps! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] RE: Complicated Family
Thanks, Rich!! This is SO lucid! I am keeping this email for future reference! --Paula --- On Sun, 7/12/09, RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net wrote: From what you wrote, did you give a husband the name of Unknown. Using that, first print (or write on scrap paper) the family group sheet, Including RINs. Save/backup your file, then unlink (Mr.) 'Unknown' from wife, which should ask 'unlink from children?'. Once he is not connected to anyone, then delete him. For future reference, To add a child to only one parent, If parent has no spouse, adding the child on the main page is easy. But for parent with multiple (other) spouses, you need to start the child on the main screen in Male/Female position, and choose the Add Mother or Add Father box above. Then that way it only adds the one parent. You may be showing View 1/2 Kids? Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
