Re: [LegacyUG] Missing RINs
Thanks to those who answered my questions about how RINs (and other numbering systems) might be used. I appreciate the insight. I also apologize for hijacking part of this thread onto a bit of a tangent. -- Marty On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.ukwrote: Gene Young wrote: On 5/22/2010 6:11 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Martin, Secondly the file names for Pedigree webpages are the RIN with the .html extension, hance it is easier to think in RINs rather than names. Ron Ferguson _ This is not true in every instance. When I generate web pages Legacy orders the pages alphabetically then assigns file names sequentially, starting at i1.htm, i2.htm, ...ixxx.htm. The file names bear no resemblance to the contents. I have to rename every file generated to include the RIN, ie; i2356_Gene_Young.htm. Since I have to rename the file anyway it is no more work to add the name with the RIN. With respect Gene, what I said was absolutely accurate, you are *NOT* referring to *Pedigree* webpages but Family Group, or similar. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Two Citation Questions...
smithmp wrote 1. There are times when I find in a source only the date of an event such as a birth date but no location. Then I'll find just the location but not the date or at least not the full date. How do I source it in Legacy to reflect that a source had half of the birth date and another source had the other half with out having to put an alt. birth event? Or is this the only way to do this? Because if this is so then reports like the Pedegree chart will only list half of the information. In this situation - or when some of the information given I *know* to be wrong and differs from what I have recorded - I write something like relates to place of birth only in the Source Detail Comments field. Where it's warranted I might also write Date of birth shown as 01 July 1900 is incorrect or Other Sources indicate that date of birth should be 01 June 1900. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Search function
Print the Search list making sure to include cemetery as one of the fields, save to CSV and then open that in your word processor, where you can sort on any column. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! -Original Message- From: gcr...@juno.com [mailto:gcr...@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 3:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Search function I used the SEARCH function to extract information from my databaseall individuals buried in a given county. The search results contain *hits* for several individuals in different cemeteries. How do I order the report from this search so that all individuals in the county are grouped according to the cemetery name and surname within the cemetery? gc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] When a married couple have the same grandparents, how highlight this?
From Todd Bredin May 24 YES - Connie Sheets on May 20 has the answer, she says for the Ancestor Chart, on the Report Options Format Tab, ensure that Don't repeat duplicate lines is checked. When you check this box, the chart says duplicate line, see page x next to the second occurrence of the pair. Now I need to find how to do the same thing in the CHARTING program. Thank you everyone for the lively discussion, and it has raised the question if Legacy should ask you when it appears a duplicate person is being entered. This would have to be an option as, in my case - PA 1800s- there are plenty of duplicate first-last name combos in my ancestors, you have to get into vital record dates to tell them apart, OR who their parents/ancestors are, e.g. who you connect them to. Yes mine were first cousins, not second. My situation arose from piecing together bits of relationships from different sources, and not knowing how the wife, with a maiden name same as her husband, was related to him. I found they were first cousins by happening to see that the CHARTING ancestor chart showed the same apparent couple at the grandparents level, and pursuing that. By the way, one thing I did was research if/when Pennsylvania had a law about first cousins marrying, and it did pass a law in 1901 but before that it was not illegal. See h ttp://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=950CE2D81139EF32A25750C2A9609C946097D6CFhttp://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=950CE2D81139EF32A25750C2A9609C946097D6CF I also found the following about 2009 About half of the states allow first cousins to marry (2007) , according to stateline.org, a research site on state laws. PA does not. “ First cousins who were denied a marriage license by a Pennsylvania judge earlier this month [yr 200?] were wed in a civil ceremony in Maryland“ - Now [~ 2002] a study by the National Society of Genetic Counselors sayshttp://www.ingenta.com/isis/searching/ExpandTOC/ingenta?issue=infobike://klu/jogc/2002/0011/0002index=2WebLogicSession=PLL5m8l54wPFB5UZ50jg|-1426079639200025319/-1052814329/6/7051/7051/7052/7052/7051/-1that having a child with your first cousin raises the risk of a significant birth defect from about 3-to-4 percent to about 4-to-7 percent. Signed Todd. -- -- On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:32 PM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.netwrote: You are saying, if I am translating this correctly, that the children of the grandparents are full siblings to each other? In some cultures that is not illegal nor immoral, but most societies frown on it. In other societies, third cousins needed permission to marry from the 'leaders'. What do you want the computer to do? This is a possible judgement taboo, not a physically impossible one. On a documentary I saw last year it was of British couples doing this and they had formed a 'support' group. If I am reading the situation wrong, I am sorry. Rich in LA CA --- On *Wed, 5/19/10, Jennifer Crockett jcrock...@optusnet.com.au*wrote: From: Jennifer Crockett jcrock...@optusnet.com.au Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When a married couple have the same grandparents, how highlight this? To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 3:29 PM I don’t know the answer to your question, but this couple are first cousins. Jennifer *From:* T Bredin [mailto:tbredinl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 20 May 2010 5:22 AM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com *Subject:* [LegacyUG] When a married couple have the same grandparents, how highlight this? I have a married couple that share/have the same grandparents but different parents. I guess this makes them second cousins.I did not notice this when I input the data for this couple as each's data came from different sources. Later I connected them by deleting one copy of the grandparents and hooking the 'loose' children to the remaining duplicate grandparents. When doing the 'ancestor' display, the ancestor chart in V7, and the ancestor chart in Charting there is nothing to call these common grand parents to my attention as each 'ancestor' line from the married couple lead back to separate listings/boxes of the same grandparent people. (if shown, the person-id is the same for the same person at the different location in the ancestor chart. ) My question is, does anyone have a trick, or method to highlight this on reports/charts/screens?Would you expect Legacy to warn you when entering data that a 'duplicate' seems to exist? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:
Re: [LegacyUG] Two Citation Questions...
I have the same problem, for now I add to the persons' general notes something like BIRTH- the day of month is from K90B002 [my document coding scheme] when this is from a different source than what I have in teh SOURCE information. I'm thinking of moving this kind of note to the Research Notes, as I anticipate when I publish to a wide audience, I will not include research notes. Todd. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.ukwrote: smithmp wrote 1. There are times when I find in a source only the date of an event such as a birth date but no location. Then I'll find just the location but not the date or at least not the full date. How do I source it in Legacy to reflect that a source had half of the birth date and another source had the other half with out having to put an alt. birth event? Or is this the only way to do this? Because if this is so then reports like the Pedegree chart will only list half of the information. In this situation - or when some of the information given I *know* to be wrong and differs from what I have recorded - I write something like relates to place of birth only in the Source Detail Comments field. Where it's warranted I might also write Date of birth shown as 01 July 1900 is incorrect or Other Sources indicate that date of birth should be 01 June 1900. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Can I use my backup to install my data to the free version?
Family Files can be easily shared between a Deluxe and a Standard Edition of Legacy as long as they're the same version/build number. The only difference between Standard and Deluxe are the number of features and reports. The data is the same. Linking multimedia files should not be a problem. Picture Center is a Deluxe feature but Picture Gallery is available in both. If the file path is the same on both computers (which is why we suggest using the sub-folders in the c:\Legacy\ folder - i.e., docs, data, pictures, sounds, videos), then you have less of a problem than if the multimedia files were linked to while they were in the My Documents folder. But Legacy should be able to locate the multimedia files with no problem. When you see a question mark icon, just click on the icon to bring up the Find File window and try either letting Legacy find the file or looking for it yourself. Click on the Help button in that window for full details. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! -Original Message- From: blr...@optonline.net [mailto:blr...@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:17 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Can I use my backup to install my data to the free version? Thanks guys,So I can't install a tree in Legacy free version on another computer from my backup of my deluxe version.What if I install my tree from a Gedcom and copy the media folder(not the backup)to her computer,then direct Legacy to one file in the folder,will Legacy find all the items in the folder and place them where they belong,as it does with MY deluxe version I use?Or,does anybody have a suggestion as to how I can enter my data with all media on her computer without having to link over 300 media files individually?Thank you,Brian Lehman Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] How do Source storage fields relate to where used on reports etc.
I am pulling my hair at Sourcing. I can't seem to understand, in Legacy, which informatoin in which source fields ends up in which report locations. There are so many different boxes to enter data into. Q - Is there a chart, diagram, document, that shows if 'xxx' is put into, for example, the Master Source Author field then it shows up in the endnotes at this location in the endnote paragraph, or at this location in the subsequent endnote, or at this location in the biblography. Does the Master Source List name or the TItle go into the footnotes/endnotes etc.Doe's Mill's book show which data to put into which Legacy source field? Q - Also, I have some sources in the basic source system and some in the Source Writer, and if so for the same source, which is used where? q When I go to a person in family view, I select their SOURCE icom, I see a list of events that some have sources I have put in I select a row, I select EDIT DETAIL and I might get different subsequent screens that have different date in them Q - how do I list/view all my sources to see if I have duplicates (I know I do) and go edit them without having to go to a person that has that source to get to edit the Master Source. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Two Citation Questions...
T Bredin wrote I have the same problem, for now I add to the persons' general notes something like BIRTH- the day of month is from K90B002 [my document coding scheme] when this is from a different source than what I have in teh SOURCE information. I'm thinking of moving this kind of note to the Research Notes, as I anticipate when I publish to a wide audience, I will not include research notes. But surely if the day of the month came from K90B002 and the month a year came from X10Y0102 or whatever, then *both* documents should be cited as Sources? (With an indication that day was from one and month and year from another.) If you have June 1900 stated in the document you have as SOURCE information but have derived the day from K90B002 which is only mentioned in Research Notes, when you publish to a wider audience they (the audience) will see unsourced information. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How do Source storage fields relate to where used on reports etc.
SORRY, Please look at my second email on this topic, a few minutes later.I'm still learning how to use GMAIL and did not realize I sent this first draft. Todd. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:36 AM, T Bredin tbredinl...@gmail.com wrote: I am pulling my hair at Sourcing. I can't seem to understand, in Legacy, which informatoin in which source fields ends up in which report locations. There are so many different boxes to enter data into. Q - Is there a chart, diagram, document, that shows if 'xxx' is put into, for example, the Master Source Author field then it shows up in the endnotes at this location in the endnote paragraph, or at this location in the subsequent endnote, or at this location in the biblography. Does the Master Source List name or the TItle go into the footnotes/endnotes etc.Doe's Mill's book show which data to put into which Legacy source field? Q - Also, I have some sources in the basic source system and some in the Source Writer, and if so for the same source, which is used where? q When I go to a person in family view, I select their SOURCE icom, I see a list of events that some have sources I have put in I select a row, I select EDIT DETAIL and I might get different subsequent screens that have different date in them Q - how do I list/view all my sources to see if I have duplicates (I know I do) and go edit them without having to go to a person that has that source to get to edit the Master Source. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How do Source storage fields relate to where used on reports etc.
T Bredin wrote Q - Is there a chart, diagram, document, that shows if 'xxx' is put into, for example, the Master Source Author field then it shows up in the endnotes at this location in the endnote paragraph, or at this location in the subsequent endnote, or at this location in the biblography. Does the Master Source List name or the TItle go into the footnotes/endnotes etc. Doe's Mill's book show which data to put into which Legacy source field? Last question first, No because SourceWriter is based on Mills, not the other way round! The best way to see what goes where is to create a few Sources and print a few Reports and see what you like the look of and what you want to change. Q - Also, I have some sources in the basic source system and some in the Source Writer, and if so for the same source, which is used where? When citing the Sources, Legacy won't distinguish between the two types in *placement*, only in *style*. q When I go to a person in family view, I select their SOURCE icom, I see a list of events that some have sources I have put in I select a row, I select EDIT DETAIL and I might get different subsequent screens that have different date in them If you go to an existing Source Detail and select to Edit it, you are creating a new Source Detail in place of the old one. Is this what you want to do? Sometimes it will be, for example if you have copied a citation to the Source Clipboard and then pasted it to another individual but need to make some changes. Q - how do I list/view all my sources to see if I have duplicates (I know I do) and go edit them without having to go to a person that has that source to get to edit the Master Source. From the Menu Bar, select ViewMaster ListsSource... -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How do Source storage fields relate to where used on reports etc.
T Bredin tbredinl...@gmail.com wrote: I am pulling my hair at Sourcing. I can't seem to understand, in Legacy, which informatoin in which source fields ends up in which report locations. There are so many different boxes to enter data into. Q - Is there a chart, diagram, document, that shows if 'xxx' is put into, for example, the Master Source Author field then it shows up in the endnotes at this location in the endnote paragraph, or at this location in the subsequent endnote, or at this location in the biblography. Does the Master Source List name or the TItle go into the footnotes/endnotes etc. Doe's Mill's book show which data to put into which Legacy source field? A: The closest thing to the chart you are seeking is the Output Preview on the right hand side of the Master Source and Source Detail screen. No, Mill's book is not going to show you exactly which data to put into which Legacy field for every type of source (although the QuickCheck Models in the book may help with you figuring it out). Evidence Explained will help you understand the *reasons* why sources are constructed as they are in the templates, and give you examples of what a completed source citation should look like. What I do is watch the Output Preview; if I don't like the way it looks, I move data around until I get it the way I want. Then I take screen shots and keep them in a binder so I can remember what I've done that works for me (I don't do this for frequently used sources like census, just for templates I use occasionally). If you find SourceWriter too confusing, you might want to stick with the Basic Source system. I'm not sure I would be using SourceWriter except for the fact I've done a lot of study on the issue of source citation and it is important to me to have properly cited sources. Q - Also, I have some sources in the basic source system and some in the Source Writer, and if so for the same source, which is used where? When I go to a person in family view, I select their SOURCE icom, I see a list of events that some have sources I have put in I select a row, I select EDIT DETAIL and I might get different subsequent screens that have different date in them A: I'm afraid I don't fully understand these questions. It doesn't matter whether you used Basic or Sourcewriter, Legacy will use whichever one you attach to an event. If you attached both a Basic and a Sourcewriter source to the same event, it should show both. I have noticed that sometimes a Sourcewriter detail screen seems to appear when I try to edit the detail of a Basic source, but it hasn't caused me any problems, so I don't worry about it. (That may be, however, because I rarely edit Basic sources; if I find the need to do that, I usually replace them completely with a Sourcewriter source). I don't see how different dates would appear unless you entered different dates at some time in the past, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean? In what field(s) do the different dates appear? Q - how do I list/view all my sources to see if I have duplicates (I know I do) and go edit them without having to go to a person that has that source to get to edit the Master Source. A: Master Source List Options Print Ensure Master Sources and All Citations to Each One, Include specific events, include citation detail. Depending upon the size of your database/number of sources, you may want to tag and work with only a few sources at a time. Connie Sheets Arizona Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [ LEGACY UG] Simple Sourcing in Legacy 7 Which Data Fields Go Where on Reports.
T Bredin tbredinl...@gmail.com wrote (in part): I have a person, when I look at their Source icon via the Family view, and see the Assigned Sources For window with all the event rows with source master and detail columns, and I want to change something in the Detail column and select that row, then select Edit Detail, sometimes I get a simple window, under the Detail Information tab with a DETAIL box that has what shows on the previous Assigned Sources window, and I can change it. And sometimes I get many boxes to fill in, e.g. under the first tab ' Detail Info ' the boxes are Roll, page, col, line, id (which I think is the Source Writer) . At this screen,the only place I can find what is showing in the Assigned Sources For - detail column is in the Override tab of the Source Detail For xx screen where it is the last word in the Footnote/Endnote Citation box.. I can change that override info, but what shows on the Assigned Sources screen does not change. ??? I think this is a bug, and an inconsistent one at that. The basic source detail screens should appear if you are attempting to edit a basic source, but I agree that sometimes (and it is only sometimes, not always), the SourceWriter detail screen will appear. I have not noticed a pattern, but I rarely use Basic Sources any more. (I do have many of them from earlier versions of Legacy, and even from gedcoming in from another program almost a decade ago). Have you tried backing out of the screen, perhaps changing to another person, or even restarting the program and trying again? Perhaps someone who still uses the Basic Source system has more info, but then perhaps the problem doesn't occur if one doesn't have a mixture of Basic and Sourcewriter sources in their database? Connie Sheets Arizona Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [ LEGACY UG] Simple Sourcing in Legacy 7 Which Data Fields Go Where on Reports.
T Bredin wrote Please point me to the educational material for how to use Legacy 7 Sources, and why to use which fields, relative to where they end up on which reports. As I said before, your best bet is to try it out and see for yourself. Do bear in mind that (this is particularly relevant with SourceWriter) you do not necessarily have to put data into a field just because it's there, or put a particular type of data into the field of that name. You might also want to look at HelpShow Help Index and select Tutorial Lessons in the right-hand column. Near the bottom, under Sources, is the link for How to Document Your Information. It contains links to 2 other more detailed pages. In addition, click on the Legacy Home tab, under Support on the right-hand side select Watch Training Videos. CD4 relates to Sourcing. You can preview the cd online and purchase it if you wish. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Missing RINs
I have reams of paper filed under the MRIN filing system and have never run into a situation of having to duplicate paper. If the MRIN is, say, 5013, then all Citation ID's, no matter whose it is, is still going to be 5013. - JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog On 5/24/2010 8:40 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote: Charles Apple wrote Your system is fine as long as it meets your specific requirements. Oh yes, I am very happy with it and have no intention of doing things differently and certainly wasn't intending to imply that it was either the only way or even the best way. I was just curious about how a RIN or MRIN system deals with a document referencing several people who might not even be of the same family. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Missing RINs
Charles Apple apple1...@embarqmail.com wrote: Filing hard copies is really a personal preference and any system that suites your needs is OK, as long as there is no duplication of records as you have pointed out. I agree completely that paper filing systems are a matter of personal preference, but lest newbies think that filing by number is the only reasonable way to do it, there are many genealogists who use alphabetical systems. They have advantages such as (1) anyone who comes after me doesn't have to wonder what MRIN2008 means, (2) no one gets confused because my file is MRIN2008 but my cousin's file on the same couple is MRIN4376, and (3) I don't get headaches thinking about a bunch of numbers. SHIRLEY, James (1852 - Aft 1920) on the file label is easily distinguishable from SHIRLEY, James (Abt 1802 - 1893). (And for women, JONES, Frances m. ALLEN distinguishes JONES, Frances m. HORTON; sometimes I add dates to them too). I have no problem with multiple copies, if needed: there are advantages to putting copies of a document that relates to both my Jones and my Allen families in both my Jones and Allen files. But we're getting off topic... Connie Sheets Arizona Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [ LEGACY UG] Simple Sourcing in Legacy 7 Which Data Fields Go Where on Reports.
I want to thank you both for the explanations and ideas. I will explore this more tomorrow. Todd, On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.ukwrote: T Bredin wrote Please point me to the educational material for how to use Legacy 7 Sources, and why to use which fields, relative to where they end up on which reports. As I said before, your best bet is to try it out and see for yourself. Do bear in mind that (this is particularly relevant with SourceWriter) you do not necessarily have to put data into a field just because it's there, or put a particular type of data into the field of that name. You might also want to look at HelpShow Help Index and select Tutorial Lessons in the right-hand column. Near the bottom, under Sources, is the link for How to Document Your Information. It contains links to 2 other more detailed pages. In addition, click on the Legacy Home tab, under Support on the right-hand side select Watch Training Videos. CD4 relates to Sourcing. You can preview the cd online and purchase it if you wish. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Two Citation Questions...
I'm thinking about all the detail and overhead that it will generate in the Source construct, that is very short as a note. It is much faster to get to a note then to get to a source to see it or change it. For now, as long as I have it someplace in Legacy I am happy. Todd On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.ukwrote: T Bredin wrote I have the same problem, for now I add to the persons' general notes something like BIRTH- the day of month is from K90B002 [my document coding scheme] when this is from a different source than what I have in teh SOURCE information. I'm thinking of moving this kind of note to the Research Notes, as I anticipate when I publish to a wide audience, I will not include research notes. But surely if the day of the month came from K90B002 and the month a year came from X10Y0102 or whatever, then *both* documents should be cited as Sources? (With an indication that day was from one and month and year from another.) If you have June 1900 stated in the document you have as SOURCE information but have derived the day from K90B002 which is only mentioned in Research Notes, when you publish to a wider audience they (the audience) will see unsourced information. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Sourcing question
Hey Sourcing experts ... I'm stumped. How do I cite this source? The City of Rochester, NY owns two cemeteries, Mount Hope Cemetery and Riverside Cemeteries. The cemetery records for each cemetery, from their opening through 2002 have been scanned and are available online at a site hosted by the Department of Rare Books Special Collections of the River Campus Libraries of the University of Rochester. To comply with the rules, I won't post the link, but you can find it by simply Googling Mount Hope Cemetery Records. To comply with the source of a source rules and the guidelines set out by Elizabeth Shown Mills, how would you properly cite this in Legacy with SourceWriter? I can't really find a good example in Mills' book, nor can I find a good template to use. Could someone put together a citation for me? Many thanks! Scott Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question
First question. Does the DB tell which cemetery for each person, or lump both? Since I always make most of my Sources location based, I would use, USA, NY, Monroe County, fill in correct cemetery. Which ever of the three choices of cemetery names. (left-righr-both). Treating a website as if a book, the title is the name on the page, the author/compiler is the Libraries of the University of Rochester unless the cemetery gave transcriptions to the libray, and the repository is 'Department of Rare Books Special Collections of the River Campus Libraries of the University of Rochester'. Do the notes for the database say how it was compiled? Cemetery's DB or volunteers reading the stones? These facts may make it clearer how to fill in the fields. Rich in LA CA --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Scott Hall seh0...@gmail.com wrote: From: Scott Hall seh0...@gmail.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 1:35 PM Hey Sourcing experts ... I'm stumped. How do I cite this source? The City of Rochester, NY owns two cemeteries, Mount Hope Cemetery and Riverside Cemeteries. The cemetery records for each cemetery, from their opening through 2002 have been scanned and are available online at a site hosted by the Department of Rare Books Special Collections of the River Campus Libraries of the University of Rochester. To comply with the rules, I won't post the link, but you can find it by simply Googling Mount Hope Cemetery Records. To comply with the source of a source rules and the guidelines set out by Elizabeth Shown Mills, how would you properly cite this in Legacy with SourceWriter? I can't really find a good example in Mills' book, nor can I find a good template to use. Could someone put together a citation for me? Many thanks! Scott Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] A Different Way of Printing source citations...
The fix for this problem will be included in the next update to Legacy. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 23/05/2010 4:10 PM, smithmp wrote: snip I ask this because Legacy has a glitch at the moment that will not print your sources for your to-do list. It just lists a number and nothing else. I already asked tech support and they are aware of this problem and will fix it on a future release. I'm am just hoping there might be a work around in the meanwhile. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question
On Mon, 24 May 2010 15:21:26 -0700, Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote: Then isn't the actual source those records and not the online database? I would make note of both pieces of info. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question
But surely you might have this problem in almost any scenario, short of providing a copy of the original source material with your family file -- countless records have burned over the years as courthouses have gone up in flame; oral histories disappear when the ancestor dies; a microfilm reader devours an 1800s-era newspaper film; a rare worm-eaten book turns to dust and the original is lost forever. Admittedly the issue is now more frequently encountered in the context of the internet, but this is precisely why we need to transcribe relevant details and date of entry, rather than just a source name. I agree with you that it's important to chase the rabbit down the hole as far as it goes and find the most original source of any supplied data because errors can and do crop up with every copy and transcription (especially with indexes of hand-written records!), but more and more these days an online database or transcription is the original work, especially when it comes to modern court and cemetery records. Ideally you would use a source like this as a foundation to then go to the cemetery and either obtain the original records or verify the tombstone in person (at which point this can be discarded as a source since it was merely a means to finding the real source), but practically speaking that's not always possible and thus it's most important to provide sufficient detail about when you obtained the record, along with a faithful transcription of the relevant portion of the database (and if you want, you can also take a screen shot and attach that to the source.) That way, even if the original database disappears or moves, you've still got a record of what it did say (and when it said it), so others can make judgment as they see fit. -Steve On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote: I wanted to throw in my two cents about this type of online source and many other online databases. The whole purpose of a source citation is to explain where you got the data and hopefully allow future viewers of your family file to go back to that source and check the authenticity and validity of the information. So right there we have a problem with all online databases. While the link may work today, chances are that in one year or longer, the link will be dead. And at that point, the source of your information as you show it in your citation becomes hidden from the world. There really is no way around this as that is the very nature of the Internet beast. Like politicians, links come and go. Now if you could check the information about the online database itself and determine from where the database info came from, then in reality, that is the real source of the information. I'm just making this up here as an example, but let's pretend the online database of the cemetery is based on a book or official records from the Mount Hope Cemetery Association. Then isn't the actual source those records and not the online database? Those official records tend to stay around and be archived by either a government agency or a local historical society for a much longer period than any web site. Many such online databases will explain the source of the data and the actual repository. I guess the problem is in digging deep enough in order to make that determination. Just thinking out loud here. Brian in CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question
Exactly. As I asked, who created the list, the online server, the cemetery, or the people who read the cemetery. That way, in the future, a person can track down the 'creator' of the DB, to see if that entity is still around with a new server address. Rich in LA CA --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com wrote: From: Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 3:30 PM On Mon, 24 May 2010 15:21:26 -0700, Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote: Then isn't the actual source those records and not the online database? I would make note of both pieces of info. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Filing by RINs (was Missing RINs)
Hello Jenny I have changed the Subject as we are getting away from Missing RINs) No I only have one hard copy. For hard copy, the Detail Source starts with say, File TW6892 which tells me where it is filed, irrespective of what/who it is for. As I mentioned previously if you only want it for your own information it can be encased in [[.]]. Regarding Certificates - The Master Source for each one is in the form - Birth Certificate - Smith, James TW234. (if applicable, I add the word Transcript or similar) So all Birth Certificates appear as a list in alphabetical order of surname, then alphabetical order of the Given Name. The Detail Source for each one starts with File TW234. If it is used for someone else it still starts with File TW234. Again, if you don't want TW234 to show in reports it can be encased in [[...]]. For Letters, E-Mails the Master Source is in the form - Letter - Smith, James TW234 dated 2010 05 25 . So they appear in alphabetical order of surname, alphabetical order of Given Name and date order for a particular person. The Detail Source starts with File TW. (the RIN number where it is filed) For Newspapers the Master Source is in the form - Newspaper - London Times. The Detail Source starts with File TW.. (the RIN number where it is filed) and holds the Date, Issue No, Page No etc. To ensure the system stays intact I use the ID system provided by Legacy - Options - Customise - Other - Fill all ID fields - in Text I type TW to distinguish it from other numbers I use - Save. And of course I create regular backups. I know this may produce a long Master Source List, but because of the format used it is quick and easy to find what you want in the list by using Find at the top of the Master Source List and typing the first one or two letters of keyword ie. Newspapers. I don't suggest this is the best system, it is just what has developed after trying other systems over 25 years and works for me. Regards - Bruce At 09:17 PM 24/05/2010, you wrote: Bruce Tweedley wrote My Source Detail starts with say File TW6892 so I go straight to the filing system to find the hard copy. It can be placed in [[]] if you don't want it shown in reports. I have *masses* of hard copy Source material where one document relates to anything up to a dozen or even more people. Do people who file their hard copies by RIN (or MRIN for that matter) have multiple copies - one for every person referenced? If so, that would seem a shocking waste of resources and space. I file my documents according to *type* - Certificates all together, Letters all together, newspaper clippings all together, etc etc. Next to each person referenced I write their UserID (which incorporates their RIN.) Within Legacy, I record the location of each document in the Source Detail FileID field - eg Certificates Documents, page C10 or Correspondence Reports, page L2. No duplication of paperwork and I can quickly and easily refer from paper to Legacy or from Legacy to paper. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question
Brian L. Lightfoot wrote The whole purpose of a source citation is to explain where you got the data and hopefully allow future viewers of your family file to go back to that source and check the authenticity and validity of the information. So right there we have a problem with all online databases. While the link may work today, chances are that in one year or longer, the link will be dead. And at that point, the source of your information as you show it in your citation becomes hidden from the world. There really is no way around this as that is the very nature of the Internet beast. Like politicians, links come and go. Now if you could check the information about the online database itself and determine from where the database info came from, then in reality, that is the real source of the information. I cite all sorts of online databases and the SW templates usually provide a field in which to enter citing ... which gives the original source of the data. I would not say that where the database info came from is the real source - it is the source used by the compiler(s) of the database, but not the source *I* used. Ideally, of course, one should go back to the original info (when possible) as the database may not be an accurate representation of the data. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question
Steve, (and if you want, you can also take a screen shot and attach that to the source.) That way, even if the original database disappears or moves, you've still got a record of what it did say (and when it said it), so others can make judgment as they see fit. Where ever possible I try to scan or take a picture of any source I find, except for the internet research. Usually because most of the time this is a secondary source that points me (hopefully) to the original source. I scan the Title copyright page and add the scan or photo into the picture tab of the source. Then in the detail section of the citation I add a scan or picture of the page that I am transcribing from. This works well with printed material, databases, microfilm, etc. But I thought I would mention that websites do not disappear as easily as you might think. I have been able to access material from websites that are now defunct by using the Internet Archive Wayback Machine (as long as you have the website address). This only is available though if the website material had remained active for at least a few months and goes back (I believe to 1996). Unfortunately you can not search using keywords yet (hence the need for the actual website name and if possible website page otherwise you might be 'browsing for a while'). More and more, many libraries, repositories, universities, governments and companies are archiving their historical data on the internet in places such as the wayback machine. If the servers are down there, you can also access the Internet archive at the New Library of Alexandria, Egypt, which mirrors the Wayback Machine. So as technology advances, so does the available ways in which to preserve internet sources. Paulette Smith -Original Message- From: Steve Voght [mailto:stevevo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question But surely you might have this problem in almost any scenario, short of providing a copy of the original source material with your family file -- countless records have burned over the years as courthouses have gone up in flame; oral histories disappear when the ancestor dies; a microfilm reader devours an 1800s-era newspaper film; a rare worm-eaten book turns to dust and the original is lost forever. Admittedly the issue is now more frequently encountered in the context of the internet, but this is precisely why we need to transcribe relevant details and date of entry, rather than just a source name. I agree with you that it's important to chase the rabbit down the hole as far as it goes and find the most original source of any supplied data because errors can and do crop up with every copy and transcription (especially with indexes of hand-written records!), but more and more these days an online database or transcription is the original work, especially when it comes to modern court and cemetery records. Ideally you would use a source like this as a foundation to then go to the cemetery and either obtain the original records or verify the tombstone in person (at which point this can be discarded as a source since it was merely a means to finding the real source), but practically speaking that's not always possible and thus it's most important to provide sufficient detail about when you obtained the record, along with a faithful transcription of the relevant portion of the database (and if you want, you can also take a screen shot and attach that to the source.) That way, even if the original database disappears or moves, you've still got a record of what it did say (and when it said it), so others can make judgment as they see fit. -Steve On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote: I wanted to throw in my two cents about this type of online source and many other online databases. The whole purpose of a source citation is to explain where you got the data and hopefully allow future viewers of your family file to go back to that source and check the authenticity and validity of the information. So right there we have a problem with all online databases. While the link may work today, chances are that in one year or longer, the link will be dead. And at that point, the source of your information as you show it in your citation becomes hidden from the world. There really is no way around this as that is the very nature of the Internet beast. Like politicians, links come and go. Now if you could check the information about the online database itself and determine from where the database info came from, then in reality, that is the real source of the information. I'm just making this up here as an example, but let's pretend the online database of the cemetery is based on a book or official records from the Mount Hope Cemetery Association. Then isn't the actual source those records and not the online database? Those official records tend to stay
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question
Scott: Do consider what you want the lead element in the citation to be. Personally I'd like it to be the name of the cemetery. Using one of the cemetery templates it's then easy enough to state that the transcription comes from an online database and any of the other pertinent details. Another researcher might use the URL that you would include (assuming it would still be valid), or possibly go to the university to find the original cemetery records, or even go to the cemetery itself to search out the marker. Kirsten -Original Message- From: Scott Hall [mailto:seh0...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:36 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question Hey Sourcing experts ... I'm stumped. How do I cite this source? The City of Rochester, NY owns two cemeteries, Mount Hope Cemetery and Riverside Cemeteries. The cemetery records for each cemetery, from their opening through 2002 have been scanned and are available online at a site hosted by the Department of Rare Books Special Collections of the River Campus Libraries of the University of Rochester. To comply with the rules, I won't post the link, but you can find it by simply Googling Mount Hope Cemetery Records. To comply with the source of a source rules and the guidelines set out by Elizabeth Shown Mills, how would you properly cite this in Legacy with SourceWriter? I can't really find a good example in Mills' book, nor can I find a good template to use. Could someone put together a citation for me? Many thanks! Scott Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] locations
I know - I may be in trouble for sending in html but I need to see if this method works. Now for my question - (And I may be in trouble for trying to do what I want to do - with the purists anyway.) I have an event which I have called Photograph. In description I write who is in the photo, in place I may want to put something like 'outside their house', or 'next to the monument' - in other words, something which is not strictly a location. I used to be able to do this and each word would stay in lower case. Now 'outside their house' automatically becomes 'Outside Their House'. If I try to edit the location it appears to stick, but then reverts to initial caps. Places I have previously entered in all lower case are unchanged. Has there been a change to the way Legacy treats locations? Interestingly, if I enter (say) Morwell, Victoria, australia it doesn't change! Cheers Jan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
