Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

2015-10-17 Thread Jerry in Michigan 
I don't think that census truly fits the real definition of an event in
someone's life, but somebody in genealogy got started using it that way
and it stuck. So, not likely we will be able to change it now. I never
use it as an event, but I realize thousands do so.

Jerry Boor
MerriamFamilyTree.org

On 10/17/2015 6:54 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 17/10/2015 02:30, Cathy Pinner wrote:
>> I guess you can argue that a census isn't an event but it's
>> something that our ancestors and we are involved in at a particular
>> place.
> I don't see how one can argue that and you go on to contradict yourself!
>A dictionary definition of Event is "a thing that happens or takes
> place."  The taking of a Census happened: a householder filled in a form
> or answered questions from an enumerator thus making a statement about
> certain facts pertaining at that time.  The making of a statement is an
> even which took place.
>
> Also, one should not forget that Legacy refers to "Event/Fact".  It is a
> fact that people were recorded in a Census.
>
> Everyone is, of course, entitled to use Legacy in whatever way suits
> them best, but I see no reason why Census information should not be
> entered as an Event/Fact in its own right.
>





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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Census event vs source

2015-10-17 Thread MikeFry 
On 17 Oct 2015 10:56 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote:

> I have Census Events and Censuses as Sources but there is not a lot of
> duplication.

In my view, the Census is an Event. The Schedules (or documentation) produced
from a census, is a Source. If you can avoid using Census for both terms, there
would be less confusion.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Odd characters in LUG posts

2015-10-17 Thread Jerry in Michigan 
I find the same thing, Wendy. We always learned to use two spaces and
you would think the younger programmers would have taken that into
consideration in designing their programs, but apparently many of them
did not. So, I have started to use only one space and try to remember to
insert a bunch of periodsor something if I want to
maintain some kind of separation on the same line.

Jerry

On 10/17/2015 6:15 PM, Wendy Howard wrote:
> I use Thunderbird too, and have the same experience with these  symbols
> turning up.
>
> I find they only appear when I put two spaces between a full stop and
> the start of the next sentence, so try to not do that when posting to
> this mailing list. I was taught to type that way, so it is automatic to
> type two spaces after a full stop (period).
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> Hope this helps. :-)
>
> Wendy
>
> PS I also usually send in plain text, but I don't think that changes
> anything.  Testing here to see (two spaces before this sentence, set to
> plain text).
>
>
>
> Elizabeth Verchio wrote on 18/10/2015 10:41:
>> As an aside, I'm sorry for the added characters in my e-mail text -
>> Mozilla Thurderbird for some unknown reason just adds them once the
>> email is sent.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Odd characters in LUG posts (was: Census event vs source)

2015-10-17 Thread Steve Hayes 
On 18 Oct 2015 at 11:15, Wendy Howard wrote:

> I use Thunderbird too, and have the same experience with these Ã` symbols
> turning up.

If you use plain text for e-mail, those should not appear.

It is always better to use plain text for mailing lists.

If you use HTML for e-mail, the à appears in some charactrer sets where there
is a non-break space (), and there are often other strange characters as
well, which makes messages difficult to read.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Re: Census event vs source

2015-10-17 Thread CE WOOD 
Nothing will get fixed unless it gets in the queue. Be sure to send a 
suggestion to Support to bring back a much used and needed feature - bold, et 
alia.

CE
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 10:20:50 -0600
Subject: [LegacyUG] Re: Census event vs source
From: kmeyer2...@gmail.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com

So in reading your responses, I'm understanding that you do NOT think it is a 
problem to duplicate the information in the source and the event for a 
particular census?   That is my issue.  I like the census event and I like my 
source to be clear in the details about where I got the information.  It's just 
that they are duplicated information.
My only issue left that I wish they would fix is the ability to bold, 
underline, etc in the events.  There used to be icons on the left side and you 
could highlight specific information   I know you can add the  ctrl b command 
but that doesn't make the desired text BOLD except in reports.  I want it 
visible when I look at the details in my legacy file.  I don't understand why 
they removed that. But that's another matter I've asked about before and i 
guess other people didn't use it.
Thanks for all the comments :-). It is wonderful to have so many choices in how 
to use legacy family tree !  Kathy



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

2015-10-17 Thread Jenny M Benson 
On 17/10/2015 04:22, Steve Hayes wrote:
> I usually include the bcensus as an event, because it gives both residence
> and occupation, for which I would otherwise have to give make two separate
> events, giving the same census as source for each.

I agree.  It also gives "context" for the residence information -
whether the person is at home/at school/visiting relatives/visiting
friends/etc.  If the person is shown as a Boarder or Lodger it gives you
an idea of the type of household.  If you include the information about
who else is in the household it can show some interesting things such as
a visitor being someone who marries into the family some time later.

Nicely worded Census Events can make much more interesting reading on a
Report than a series of blunt facts about Residence and Occupation.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census event vs source

2015-10-17 Thread Jenny M Benson 
On 17/10/2015 02:30, Cathy Pinner wrote:
> I guess you can argue that a census isn't an event but it's
> something that our ancestors and we are involved in at a particular
> place.

I don't see how one can argue that and you go on to contradict yourself!
  A dictionary definition of Event is "a thing that happens or takes
place."  The taking of a Census happened: a householder filled in a form
or answered questions from an enumerator thus making a statement about
certain facts pertaining at that time.  The making of a statement is an
even which took place.

Also, one should not forget that Legacy refers to "Event/Fact".  It is a
fact that people were recorded in a Census.

Everyone is, of course, entitled to use Legacy in whatever way suits
them best, but I see no reason why Census information should not be
entered as an Event/Fact in its own right.

--
Jenny M Benson




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[LegacyUG] Re: Census event vs source

2015-10-17 Thread Kathy Meyer 
So in reading your responses, I'm understanding that you do NOT think it is
a problem to duplicate the information in the source and the event for a
particular census?   That is my issue.  I like the census event and I like
my source to be clear in the details about where I got the information.
It's just that they are duplicated information.

My only issue left that I wish they would fix is the ability to bold,
underline, etc in the events.  There used to be icons on the left side and
you could highlight specific information   I know you can add the  ctrl b
command but that doesn't make the desired text BOLD except in reports.  I
want it visible when I look at the details in my legacy file.  I don't
understand why they removed that. But that's another matter I've asked
about before and i guess other people didn't use it.

Thanks for all the comments :-). It is wonderful to have so many choices in
how to use legacy family tree !  Kathy

On Saturday, October 17, 2015, Jenny M Benson  wrote:

> On 17/10/2015 02:30, Cathy Pinner wrote:
> > I guess you can argue that a census isn't an event but it's
> > something that our ancestors and we are involved in at a particular
> > place.
>
> I don't see how one can argue that and you go on to contradict yourself!
>   A dictionary definition of Event is "a thing that happens or takes
> place."  The taking of a Census happened: a householder filled in a form
> or answered questions from an enumerator thus making a statement about
> certain facts pertaining at that time.  The making of a statement is an
> even which took place.
>
> Also, one should not forget that Legacy refers to "Event/Fact".  It is a
> fact that people were recorded in a Census.
>
> Everyone is, of course, entitled to use Legacy in whatever way suits
> them best, but I see no reason why Census information should not be
> entered as an Event/Fact in its own right.
>
> --
> Jenny M Benson
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Census event vs source

2015-10-17 Thread Elizabeth Verchio 

  
  
It seems to me that personal
preference is determined somewhat by the desired Report
results.  As a test, enter Census Event as desired or in any of
the ways offered in this exchange, then run all the different
reports selecting different report options - which can make your
head swim, then decide what gives you the 'best' desired
results.   Keeping in mind you can always take a report into an
editing program and edit out or in as desired. 
One rule I have is - if the birth-date of a person has a
variation of 2 years or less over the course of 3 or more
Census.  I only use the earliest Census (if no other birth
source has yet been found) for the birth-date.  If a later
census offers a birth-date of 3 or more years, I will enter an
Alt. Birth with that Census as a Source.  Same with name
variations, if a person is William in the earliest census and
Bill in a later one, etc.  
I often list neighbors on either side of the family in
Text/Comments of the Source Detail (where I also enter the
entire family for all the categories of that particular Census)
- have made some wonderful discoveries by doing that.  Also I
always Check the Box 'Add this Text to the Source Citations on
Reports'.  This does cause some redundancy, but, I rather have
it than not.

As an aside, I'm sorry for the added characters in my e-mail
text - Mozilla Thurderbird for some unknown reason just adds
them once the email is sent.
Elizabeth Verchio, 
Illinois, USA
Happy Legacy user since v.6, Mar 2008

  On 10/17/2015 3:56 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote:


  On 17/10/2015 17:20, Kathy Meyer wrote:

  
So in reading your responses, I'm understanding that you do NOT think it is
a problem to duplicate the information in the source and the event for a
particular census?   That is my issue.  I like the census event and I like
my source to be clear in the details about where I got the information.
It's just that they are duplicated information.

  
  
I have Census Events and Censuses as Sources but there is not a lot of
duplication.

I put all the information from the Census about each Individual in the
Description field and the Residence in the Location field.  (Some people
don't like to do this.)  I use the Notes to list all the other members
of the household and sometimes extra information such as "John's parents
were living next door."

The Source includes the Census reference, the date, the Civil Parish &
County and details of the website where I viewed the Census and I attach
a copy of the image, but I do not repeat all of the information entered
in the Event.

(If I was producing a Report which included Census Events for 2 or more
people in the same household I would not repeat the Event Notes for
everyone, just include them for the Head of Household or other person as
appropriate.)




  



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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Census event vs source

2015-10-17 Thread Lloyd Hite 
Try sending it in text format.

Lloyd

On 10/17/2015 5:41 PM, Elizabeth Verchio wrote:
> As an aside, I'm sorry for the added characters in my e-mail text -
> Mozilla Thurderbird for some unknown reason just adds them once the
> email is sent.
> Elizabeth Verchio,
> Illinois, USA
> Happy Legacy user since v.6, Mar 2008





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