Re: geolocation in firefox
On 04/15/2014 11:55 PM, sara fink wrote: Hello Everyone I changed enable.geolocation to false in firefox, but it still doesn't work with the site that I want to enter. I am still redirected to israeli site instead of the abroad site. Also check what kind of Accept-Language header you're sending. -- MichaelV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: railsgirls
It could've been nice if the applications weren't already closed. On 02/11/2014 10:02 PM, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: http://railsgirls.co.il/ Pretty cool initiative, how was that never mentioned on this list, or have I been sleeping? (I found it through this kickstarter which I think also sounds very cool for anyone who would like their kids to know programming: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lindaliukas/hello-ruby even though I myself use other languages) Regards, Eliyahu - ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Chinese KitKat
Find an phone/electronics repair shop with an _infrared_ BGA rework station and an experienced tech to operate it. I would not go with hot air, as it's almost impossible to stay within the thermal profile of the chip when using hot air and the components in a cellphone are far too small and delicate for that method. Weigh your options wisely, as the number of times you can get away with re-heating the chip is very limited. Each try will use two of these valuable heating/cooling cycles, one to pull the chip up, and then one to seat it back on the (hopefully re-masked and re-balled) surface. On 01/06/2014 12:26 PM, Udi Finkelstein wrote: The N900, at least the ones I have, start falling apart sooner-or-later due to GSM chip BGA solders getting loose (like the red-ring-of-death on Xbox 360). The symptom is a yellow banner saying that all Telephony functions are disabled. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66870 I have 2 phones that suffers from this. One I got from a friend who couldn't get anyone to fix it (that was about 2 years ago, when the cause was still unknown. The shop claimed he played with alternate firmware, he went to court and lost). The other was mine, and it started about 3 months ago. I partially fixed it by placing pieces of paper below the battery, but the situation got worse and worse. Also my USB socket is dead, which is another common N900 symptom, but is more easily fixable. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 11:14:58AM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: Depends on the OS and it's support but yes... (my n900 still has great support and if it wasn't falling apart as a result of severe abuse would still be using it, but that's also a much more open system, we'll see what happens with the Jolla now) The N900 is not really supported by its vendor. But there's a great community around it which has kept it supported. And if you've been living under a rock: see also http://neo900.org/ . Get a phone you can trust. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il | | best tzaf...@debian.org | | friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Chinese KitKat
On 01/06/2014 02:26 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Diego Iastrubni elc...@kde.org writes: A sound advice - if you don't see the device you want to buy on Cyanogen's list, don't buy it. In 2 years it will be useles if you cannot put newer software on it. Sounds a bit harsh. A device cannot possibly become less useful with time than it was when you bought it (barring a HW malfunction). If it did then what it says on the tin it will still do it now, won't it? Without any new software... Functionality that did not exist or was not supported when you bought your device will not necessarily be backported to your device's original firmware or to the official updates thereof. This does not render the device useless, just potentially a bit less future-proof than others. [I cannot give a compelling example of such functionality, but I can imagine it might exist.] Enter signed software. The certificate expires and nobody cares to update the application and sign it again. The OS then refuses to launch it. Case in point with my perfectly hardware-wise functional Symbian Nokia phone. Since I don't believe I'm going to get a better service from either IOS or Android, I just don't buy a new phone. -- Michael ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fascinating story: How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked Microsoft out of the city
On 11/22/2013 09:32 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: [story] I would say that the hidden part of the iceberd is that the city budget money went to local service providers, mostly immediately returning into German economy as taxes and payroll, intead of being pumped into Microsoft's offshore tax evasion scheme. -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: Where do I buy battery cells?
ne to repack a battery for you there (the
turnaround of the service is usually about a week). The best forum
dealing with battery repair is www.avalon.co.ua, you can find
where the repair labs of the members are located. It is in Russian,
but some people do manage to have a conversation there using online
translation services.
--
Sincerely yours,
Michael Vasiliev
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Re: ebay sidebar in new firefox stopped working
On Monday 18 March 2013 01:14:39 sara fink wrote: I installed the new version of firefox 19.0.2 and the ebay sidebar search stopped working. If I type the url ebay.com in the address bar, it works. Someone knows the source of this problem and how it can be fixed? I don't use it. However, this seems to be an extension. If it is disabled due to version incompatibility, you can unpack the xpi file and override the compatibility string. If the API hadn't changed, this, at least temporarily, fixes the problem. Otherwise, you will have to either wait for a new add-on version that will support your Firefox version, or patch the scripts yourself. -- Sincerely yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [YBA] Linux on Intel R1000GZ
For any distribution, I would suggest you not rely on the installer to do any kind of helpful work on your part when it comes to new or exotic hardware. I have a few years of experience making RAID cards work and it practically always requires manual intervention. Be it to make the array bootable or marry the working configuration with the update scripts. It always requires deep understanding of which driver operates your card, which firmware is loaded and by which script, and what the package post and preinstall scripts will do when said package is upgraded. The best advice I can give is once it works, be sure to backup the entire bootchain, the kernel drivers, startup scripts, firmware and fw loading scripts, everything. Not once the update would make the system unbootable or arrays inavailable. As for initial startup, I usually go with booting just about any LifeCD that is able to detect the RAID, then unpack the basic set of the desired distro's packages manually into a root directory, then start working on boot sequence, taking notes in the process. It's somewhat more time-consuming, but the advantage is a steady pace of progress towards a working setup, as opposed to taking pot shots in the dark, trying different distros and versions and hoping for a lucky break. If a distro or LiveCD works, take notes of kernel, drivers and RAID configuration, version numbers and loading mechanism, then recreate the same with the distro you want. Distros shipping bad/buggy firmware is definately not something unheard of. On Monday 25 February 2013 07:49:51 Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: Hi Linux-IL colleagues, Last night I installed CentOS 6.3 on an Intel R1000GZ server. My intent at first was to install Debian Wheezy, but I was unable to find information on drivers for Debian that support either the RSTe or ESRT2 (LSI) configuration of the RAID card. So after giving up on Wheezy I tried to install Ubuntu 12.04 desktop. This distribution detected the RAID in RSTe configuration, but apparently not correctly since at the end of the installation it was unable to install grub anywhere. It seems that Intel only supports RHEL and Oracle Linux on the R1000GZ servers, so my third option, which succeeded, was to install CentOS 6.3 with the BIOS RAID in RSTe configuration. The reasoning behind not trying harder to find a solution for Wheezy is that by using a base OS that supports the board OOTB I will have a better chance of getting automated notification of updates for the RSTe drivers and any other proprietary drivers without manual searching. In any event, I only intend to use the CentOS as a host OS for other mostly Debian-based OS's. Is this reasoning sound, or am I a wimp for giving up on Wheezy? In general, would installing the base OS that best fits the board regardless of other (mostly ideological) considerations be the best advice to customers, considering the support implications? (I am assuming that selecting the board for the OS is not, in general, an option.) Purim Sameah, - yba ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [Haifux] [HAIFUX LECTURE] Flash Friendly File System (F2FS) - Leon Romanovsky
On Saturday 09 February 2013 18:21:35 Eli Billauer wrote: On Monday, February 11th at 18:30, Haifux will gather to hear a talk by Leon Romanovsky: Flash Friendly File System (F2FS) Has anyone recorded this one? For some reason, I thought it will be next week. -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: languages in ubuntu
On Thursday 31 January 2013 19:09:00 E.S. Rosenberg wrote: This has been bugging me for ages: On all my ubuntu systems some form of chinese seems to be installed How did you arrive at this conclusion? -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Crossover give away
On Wednesday 31 October 2012 08:55:17 Ori Idan wrote: Have you noticed the following: http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20121029/ Yes. Did someone try it? Yes. I was a happy customer of Crossover for years, until I forgot to renew my subscription this summer. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How to Get the Combination of NTFS-3g and Konqueror (as a file manager) to consume less CPU
The ntfs-3g driver is not exactly the optimal thing for NTFS, it consumes a lot of CPU, the commercial version of this driver lifts that limitation. On Thursday 30 August 2012 21:43:21 Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi all, ( I'm writing this message from my GMail.com account due to email problems from shlo...@shlomifish.org with respect to the Linux-IL mailing list. Please reply to the list so I'll get your messages in all of my accounts.) I have a laptop with the following specifications: « I also have an Acer Aspire 5738DZG laptop with the following specs: Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz. (x86-64). ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4570 (r700) 15.6״ 3D HD LCD Screen. 3 GB Memory 320 GB Hard Disk Drive. “DVD Super Multi DL drive” Acer Nplify™ 802.11b/g/n. » Now it dual boots between Windows 7 x86-64 (which I hardly use) and Mageia Linux 2 x86-64. Since I have a lot of space in my Windows 7 partition, I decided to use it to store many of my music files, so they get stored at /media/win_d/Music/mp3 , which has this as its /etc/fstab entry: UUID=24A43690A4366488 /media/win_d ntfs-3g defaults,umask=022 0 0 Now, if I view this directory using a tab of KDE-4.8.x's Konqueror in file manager mode (in order to select and drag and drop files to my media player), I see ntfs-3g constantly consuming roughly 18% of my CPU, which I suspect causes the laptop to overheat. I checked and ntfs-3g also consumes CPU if I run «ls -l /media/win_d/Music/mp3/» on the command line, so I guess that Konqueror constantly rescans that directory for detecting changes. Can anyone tell me how I can prevent Konqueror from consuming a lot of CPU this way? Regards, -- Shlomi Fish ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: משחק להפיץ
On 05/22/2012 02:23 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: As probably most people on the list do, I try to get friends and family off Internet Explorer. Recently on Slashdot there was mention of a game that only works in Chrome: http://getcrackin.angrybirds.com/ Angry Birds is a popular game, and just sending this link to people gets most of them to install Chrome! So I encourage other list members to suggest this game to friends and family. Don't even mention Chrome, let them discover that detail on their own. So how's getting them off one proprietary insecure browser and onto another is going to help them? Especially with the all-too-familiar tactics like it works only in our browser. -- MichaelV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Resumed maintenance of libmikmod and mikmod.
That's awesome news, Shlomi. I'm sure in at least for testing :) On 04/10/2012 04:50 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: To whom it may concern, libmikmod is a portable and open-source (LGPLed) library for playing various common formats of Module files, including MOD, S3M, XM, and IT. mikmod is a Curses-based front-end for it, freely available under the GPL. Shlomi Fish would like to announce that he resumed maintenance of libmikmod and mikmod, after many years of lack of maintenance, after getting approval from Raphaël Assénat (raphnet), the previous maintainer. So far, libmikmod-3.2.0-beta3 has been released with some older changes that lingered in the old version control repository, as well as several important fixes for security bugs taken from the downstream Mageia Linux package. The version control repository was converted from CVS to Mercurial, and more development is expected. Plans for the future include releasing a stable libmikmod-3.2.0 and afterwards converting the build system from GNU Autotools to CMake, and then looking into fixing more bugs as they are encountered and implementing new features. The old MikMod homepage ( http://mikmod.raphnet.net/ ) now redirects to the new one at http://mikmod.shlomifish.org/ where new development will take place (some parts of it still needs to be updated, but it should already be usable). Any contribution including testing, reporting bug fixes, contributing changes (as patches or as clones of the repository), suggesting new features, will be appreciated. For more information about module files see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_file Regards, Shlomi Fish ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How do I start a blank x-server?
Have you considered using xvfb and vnc to it, or you absolutely have to do it on a real display? On 02/27/2012 09:05 PM, Micha wrote: For a project I'm working on at the moment, I need to be able to log in remotely to a machine (via ssh) and start a blank x-server. That is, to just initialize the display, with not cursor or window manager, to allow for creating a single full screen window for display. I seem to recall that just running X as a user used to do it, up to the no cursor part, leaving an empty (hetched) screen and running the content of .xsession or something like that. Things on modern systems seems to have changed enough with all the xsession / gdm / gnome etc. that it doesn't seem to happen properly. Any idea how I can achieve that on a modern system (red hat enterprise desktop 6 in this case). thanks ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: how do I setup a red hat yum repository
Are you sure you can't make a chimera install by salvaging packages off corresponding version of Fedora? In case it's not the way, creating your own repository is surprisingly doable. Googling for yum repository gave me enough hints when I had to do that. You're looking at some maintainer work (editing specfiles and recompiling the source package) every time the dependencies for your packages change, however. On 02/24/2012 12:44 AM, Micha wrote: I was just given a red hat enterprise 6 system to setup for a project, only there is no repository setup on in and for this project I need pretty bleeding edge software and software that is not installed. Unfortunately for this project I come from a debian background so I have no knowledge of the red hat repository management world. How do I setup a repository and which ones are available? I need up to date boost libraries (1.46 and up) and hwloc at the moment, not sure yet what else. Thanks ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [JOB] DevoOps and software engineers, lend me your brains!
On 02/22/2012 05:06 PM, Ira Abramov wrote: We're a young dynamic consultancy firm with strong offerings in cutting-edge devops magic, distributed systems design and automated deployment and management, IAAS wrangling, etc. We're looking for DevOps with or without cloud experience, expecially if you're the kind of guy/gal who wears a CAP and mixes SQL with NoSQL juice for breakfast. Send me your resume at ira(at)fewbytes.com. Thanks, Ira. Awww, just signed a contract... :( It would be exciting to work with you. It's been a while since we've met personally, but from the years of following your mail and twitter, you seem like an interesting person doing very interesting things. -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: python, beagle, and gmail
On 02/24/2012 12:56 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: 2) How can I add SSL support to my version of imaplib, or is there a version of imaplib for ARM that supports SSL? Am I missing a totally obvious solution? I'm corrupted. I'm pushing my favorite distribution as a solution to every possible development problem. This said, you seem to have python built without ssl support. You'll have to jump through whatever hoops Angstrom has prepared for you to recompile or replace it. On the other hand, Gentoo has an ARM target and you can tune and strip your system to whatever your heart desires. That, of course, means adding a few trivial lines to a single file and some recompiling. -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
On 02/15/2012 09:47 PM, Diego Iastrubni wrote: On Monday, February 06, 2012 02:43:16 AM Oron Peled wrote: You can find an example of this (refering to ODS): http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/05 Really? WTF? Linking to a document from 3 years ago? So, the wold of propietary software stopped 3 years ago? Did you check the status on modern office suits, or will you just link it forever, being ignorant and thinking what is the best for you and not reality? (crap, every time I say something rationable and smart a kitty dies, please stop). Diego, please. I think you're not doing justice to your own cause by writing that kind of meaningless flame mail. Honestly, I did not quite understand what that reply was about. The only thing I got is these blog posts are outdated. What have changed since then and how does that affect us? I think that building a case beyond throwing facts at the problem by adding some semantic connections and logic reasoning could aid in better conveying your message to us. Could you explain further in a calm and clear manner? -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL Moderator ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_FUNCTION, expecting T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM
On 02/14/2012 11:58 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: I already figured out what this error is, but imagine my surprise when I found that my error messages were localized! Especially when working on a server somewhere in Germany via SSH and there being absolutely no Hebrew or Israel configuration. What, did CentOS or PHP parse my login name, and recognise it as an Israeli name? If the o had been omitted from my last name would I have gotten the error message in Chinese? Widely known PHP meme. Because, apparently, one does not have to know English well to write an interpreter engine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scope_resolution_operator -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_FUNCTION, expecting T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM
On 02/15/2012 01:14 AM, Lior Kaplan wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Michael Vasiliev mycr...@infoscav.net mailto:mycr...@infoscav.net wrote: Widely known PHP meme. Because, apparently, one does not have to know English well to write an interpreter engine. I assure you he does know English and this was quite intentional... So you're trying to convince me to substitute ignorance with arrogance in my opinion? OK, accepted. -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
On 02/09/2012 12:54 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 22:09, Michael Vasilievmycr...@infoscav.net wrote: I, for one, use quite a lot of code long abandoned by it's authors. troll I knew that I'm not the last KDE 3 lover out there! /troll Well it would be funny, but FreeBSD, for example, still ships KDE 3.5 along with 4, as quite a lot of people prefer it over the rather bloated next major. -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
On 02/05/2012 10:26 PM, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Boaz Rymland wrote: yuck! So it was ok for SUN to buy StarOffice and give it away in order to reduce MS/Office sales? OpenOffice's free price and open source was a marketing tool too. Bad because it's dumping, a practice banned by the WTO? I'm somewhat skeptic about the validity of an argument that it gives an unfair advantage to the side that does not intend to sell their product, but to give it away for free. The side being the OO developer community. Of course, for Sun it's a tactic to undermine the MS profit stream, I agree. However, in case when, if not by intention, but by result it aligns surprisingly well with the direction large companies rarely take -- the benefit of all (literate) mankind, I don't mind at all. Before you go you must be anti FOSS on me, bear in mind there were many true FOSS office type products (word processors, a spreadsheet or two) and so on, that were crushed by StarOffice (and OpenOffice). Crushed in the same way BSD or GNU Hurd are crushed by the Linux kernel? I'm having trouble subscribing to that kind of POV. FOSS projects don't compete in the same way proprietary products do. A piece of open and free code lives as long as there is someone to maintain it. I, for one, use quite a lot of code long abandoned by it's authors. -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Getting rid of proprietary fonts
On 01/22/2012 04:34 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote: I wonder if anybody knows how I can use OpenOffice, or some other tool, to find *where* in the document a certain font is being used? Not directly an answer to the question asked, but what the heck, here for the history: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/TestFonts -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Getting rid of proprietary fonts
On 01/23/2012 02:31 AM, Michael Vasiliev wrote: On 01/22/2012 04:34 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote: I wonder if anybody knows how I can use OpenOffice, or some other tool, to find *where* in the document a certain font is being used? Not directly an answer to the question asked, but what the heck, here for the history: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/TestFonts My mistake, sorry (I blame late-night posting), it does exactly what's asked. You can select a font and search for all occurrences of said font in the document. -- Cheers, MichaelV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [OUT?] Help with Android?
On 01/16/2012 02:21 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:22:16PM +0200, Michael Vasiliev wrote: Wait, Google Groups are not Usenet in disguise? :) Yes, and no. Google Groups also serve as an interface to the Usenet. But when you open a group of your own there, it's a provate one, not part of the Usenet, and not accessible by standard Usenet infrastructure. AKA Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [OUT?] Help with Android?
On 01/13/2012 10:24 AM, Amichai Rotman wrote: Well, why don't we start one of our own. I bet most of you developers on this list are also Android users / developers I am no developer, but I am tinker and I like to help, so I can try to help as I can. In the mean time, can I ask. Android related questions here? Yes. -- Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL Moderator ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [OUT?] Help with Android?
On 01/14/2012 01:08 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sat, Jan 14, 2012, Amichai Rotman wrote about Re: [OUT?] Help with Android?: Can we host it on HUJI servers? Eli? (or is someone else running the list now?) That would be me. If for some reason that doesn't work, there are also Hamakor's servers which I assume could be used for this purpose. Is the person running Hamakor mailing lists reading this and can confirm? (as you can see below, I hope this mailing list *will* be relevant to Hamakor's charter). I am reluctant of using those public list servers (like Yahoo! Groups) - is there a way to start an Israeli specific list on Google Groups? Of course Google Groups is also possible, but I do think a non-commercial host is better. Wait, Google Groups are not Usenet in disguise? :) I propose the following focus for the mailing list. Do people agree, or do other people prefer a different focus? * The mailing list's official language will be English (like in Linux-il). I don't know how popular this suggestion will be... * The intended audience are (would be) advanced users and (aspiring) developers, i.e., Android users who are interested in understanding better how their device works, and even improving it - not users who never plan to do more than installing games. The subscribers *can* be newbies, but newbies of the type that aspire to learn, not newbies who plan to remain newbies forever. * The list should focus on free software and open-source. While specific hardware devices and some non-free software can be mentioned, compared, etc., they should not become the focus of this list, just like the focus of linux-il isn't to compare PC manufacturers and non-free Linux software (although the occasional thread on these topics are acceptable). * The list is for high-level discussions - it won't be a mailing list for cooperating closely on the development of a particular piece of software. * The intended audience is Israeli, in case we ever want to meet in person or discuss Israel-specific questions (hadware sold in Israel, Hebrew-related questions, etc.). But for all other intents and purposes, non-Israelis are just as welcome. In fact I hesitate if/how we should even mention that this is an Israeli list. Any other thoughts? I think you're describing Linux-IL here, so why not post it there anyway? I for one do not have a problem with Android questions appearing here. And I since I sense that Android's ubiquity is yet to be seen, I don't feel that I waste time reading these discussions. We could have a poll, of course. -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Refund on preinstall Windows license in Israel [slightly OT]
On 12/21/2011 03:26 PM, Elazar Leibovich wrote: Have anyone tried to get a refund on a Windows license on a preinstall machine he bought? Is it possible in Israel? How much money will they refund? How complicated is it? Zvi Devir has done it and ran a Haifux lecture. I believe the slides and walk-through are still available. -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Refund on preinstall Windows license in Israel [slightly OT]
On 12/21/2011 03:57 PM, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Raz wrote: I did not get a refund , i just bought a machine with freedos instead and got a discount of 200 shekels. I'm not sure that's going to happen much longer. With Windows 7 (and now XP too) Microsoft no longer requires a magic number (license key) to install the system. If you install a new system without a license key, or boot a pre-installed one for the first time, it will become a 30 day free trial. Since you can download the full distribution disks for free, the value of a free trial system is 0. Large companies such as HP, etc may still give you a discount as they have already bought the software in bulk, but they may not too. Small companies such as Ivory, etc can just fulfill their contract with Microsoft at no user refundable cost. I assume you mean SLIC in the ACPI, so your computer just have a license key embedded in it's writable CMOS memory, so what? How's that changing anything? The data in Windows distribution has always been free, you're paying per license to use, not anything else. In fact, they insist on it being zero cost, when I ordered an upgrade disk last time, they only billed me a ridiculous sum for SH. The fact that Microsoft and vendors has always being secretive on allowing you to download the distribution CDs is another, unrelated issue. -- MichaelV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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Re: custom baud usb serial anyone ?
On 09/01/2011 10:32 AM, Erez D wrote: On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Michael Vasiliev mycr...@yandex.ru mailto:mycr...@yandex.ru wrote: On 08/30/2011 11:22 AM, Erez D wrote: hi i am looking for a usb-serial which supports custom baud rates and works on linux of-course. i actually need TTL (actually 3.3V) levels, not +-12V. I don't know what do you mean by custom baud rates, Can you configure it to a non standard baud rate ? I have a pl2303 based usb-serial. i can configure it to 9600 or 14400. i can not configure it however to 10333 bps. on windows, it agrees to configure it to 10333, however it actually configure it to 9600. I talked with the maintainer of the driver. he told me that the chip only supports standard baud rates. I am looking for one that supports custom baud rates. Even if I could, the cable is already pressed, soldered and epoxied into a connector and I don't have a device that could supply that kind of baud rate. I could lend it to you temporarily, but you will have to buy the male connector part to test it. Or come over to Haifa with your device and we could hot-wire it. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [Haifux] [HAIFUX LECTURE] Mesh Networks:Hacking the T3lc0 Model by Amir Sagie
On 08/28/2011 03:59 AM, Eli Billauer wrote: On Monday, August 29th (TOMORROW), at 18:30, Haifux will gather to hear Amir Sagie talk about Mesh Networks:Hacking the T3lc0 Model Abstract Want to build your own Telco? You'll probable need mesh power. Avoid past mistakes by learning about the history of mesh networks, hear how the first wi-fi router was liberated and be sure to checkout what we're doing in project Arig ( http://arig.org.il), here in Israel! Be sure to attend the router emancipation party afterwords: bring your wi-fi router and wash away all it's sins by flashing it with a FOSS OS such as OpenWRT. Complete redemption guaranteed. Follow-up to the lecture: The inverted Internet joke on the bandwidth thief I've mentioned is hosted here: http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html Amir, this could be a good start for the split-network router configuration. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: custom baud usb serial anyone ?
On 08/30/2011 11:22 AM, Erez D wrote: hi i am looking for a usb-serial which supports custom baud rates and works on linux of-course. i actually need TTL (actually 3.3V) levels, not +-12V. I don't know what do you mean by custom baud rates, but what I use is a TTL voltage USB-serial cable from FTDI Chip, for mere 15 quid + SH. Make sure you buy the one you need. Mine was TTL-232R-3V3. It works flawlessly with minicom on linux. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: next smartphone thoughts
On 08/28/2011 12:42 AM, Udi Finkelstein wrote: I don't see how having or not having a keyboard has anything to do with being able to revive a bricked unit. The SheevaPlug has no keyboard, yet it's mini-USB connection that can drive a JTAG chain to reprogram the internal flash regardless of the unit state. Different security models. For obvious reasons, if the programmers are not fools, you have to type an unlock password before the device activates the data pins and you can dump/upload data/firmware. I have difficulty imagining an on-screen keyboard that fits into tiny boot areas of the phone. But, I admit, I've already seen one, in a Toshiba convertible tablet-laptop POST sequence. [skipped] The N950 is not available for sale. There were 250 units available on a long-term loan to qualified developers, and then 100 more were made available on the same requirements via maemo.org http://maemo.org or meego.org http://meego.org or something like that. You just can't buy it. I did not say buy one. And even if you could, it's software would probably be in a worse state than the N900's. Fine with me. Personally, I have an N900 and I don't see anything that can replace it at the moment. I just hope that eventually we would see Meego on someone's phone. We won't see a free, open OS on some manufacturer's phone because ATM, there is no incentive to that manufacturer to give you a free, open OS on your phone, other than cutting on the OS development costs. But then, the OS usually comes from another company that fits the OS development bill and expects something in return. Something that's more than one-time fraction of the device's price. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: next smartphone thoughts
On 08/26/2011 02:10 PM, Erez D wrote: It is time to get a new smartphone. so i have to choose one. [snip] and wanted a gnu/linux one. My options: 1. iphone - not gnu/linux nor open. actually this is the closest as can be in terms of free as speech. What. 2. symbian - deprecated. should be open somtimes (i wouldn't get my hopes up for nokia promises) No, I have one. As long as you shell out $$$ for apps, it works. That is, for a while, until the certs expire. Development is not intuitive, cumbersome, unsupported, undocumented and currently just plain out impossible, as nokia dropped and privately archived all support sites and the development platform does not work at anything but WinXP. 3. webos - gnu/linux but deprecated Seems to be in Gone status, and changing hands, any attempt to run it now is pure necrophilia. 4. maemo - gnu/linux but deprecated Still going, albeit somewhat slow. An advantage is that you already have the knowledge and experience. And some of the specs and drivers are already there in the open. 5. meego (N9) - though about it, but once bitten from nokia - twice shy. nokia does not even say they expect to continue with meego Not on the market yet.^W^W^W^W^WJust announced, ergo buggy. NO KEYBOARD. Say you've bricked your phone or locked it down. How are you going to bring it back without a keyboard? Personally, I don't like either wiping off fingerprints or when a on-screen keyboard obscures the most of, already scarce, available surface. So, it's an option, as long as the company would like to open its chest of secrets. However, I would strongly consider the silently announced brother phone N950 instead if I were you. 6. android - live and kicking, actually the most popular. it is somehow open, and linux kernel. not gnu though. As much as I like Google for being the best among the worst, as a security person, I cannot hope but comment that, sadly, it has a long-running record of negligence or, rather, lack of foresight for the privacy and security of both its customers and users. As a very closed company, the policy of rewarding the researchers and silently closing down vulnerabilities instead of releasing public advisories really does no justice to its public image. Someone has to understand that a situation where people are paid for their silence and every unchecked privacy issue turns into a scandal is not the way to go. Especially for the company that would like to see its services to be an integral part of our lives. Better security practices have to be implemented both in production and in development. That also applies to the mobile market, even in the greater sense. As for the OS, AFAIK, the base system is available freely. However, when being stripped of the closed-source code, the device and OS lose most of their appeal. It does not attract the same kind of developers that made a half-made and quickly abandoned Nokia N900 so good, eventually. -- MichaelV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Arig project(was: [HAIFUX LECTURE] Mesh Neworks | Hacking the T3lc0 Model - Amir Sagie)
On 08/18/2011 02:27 PM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote: Hello all, This is a pre-announcement for the next Haifux talk on Monday, August 29th, which is NOT this coming Monday, when we will gather to hear Amir Sagie of the Arig project ( אמיר שגיא מפרוייקט אריג) Abstract: Want to build your own Telco? you'll probable need mesh power. Avoid past mistakes by learning about the history of mesh networks, hear how the first wi-fi router was liberated be sure to checkout what we're doing in project Arig (אריג), here in Israel! Be sure to attend the router emancipation party afterwords: bring your wi-fi router wash away all it's sins by flashing it with a Foss OS such as OpenWRT. complete redemption guaranteed. See also http://arig.org.il I have an already liberated router with OpenWRT and, of course, a tinkerer such as me would not pass the opportunity. A few comments though: Providing a service that tempts to connect and use and immediately exposes its users' data to anyone listening is worse than providing no service at all. I suggest using WPA2-PSK with an easy key (*) or WPA2-EAP with a centralized authentication server over the Internet, since the connection infrastructure is already there. Legally-wise: Providing free Internet access is, AFAIK, something that requires a license. The sad story of Surfree comest to mind. Moreover,a body providing internet access via devices that are not in its posession, without any agreement with the equipment owner is an interesting legal precedent. Such projects usually look good as far as nothing bad happens, but once someone commits something unlawful using this connection, who will be the person responsible? The equipment owner does not have any logs of connection use and therefore responsible for the outbound nastiness. Notice that every time you connect to a free wifi network, run by an ISP, in Ben-Gurion airport or anywhere else, you have to agree to the blanket sheet of terms of service. The node map page of the wiki is empty. Does that mean that I'm the first one to ever consider making one? Again, it is not clear what such map should include. GPS coordinates and street addresses, including floors, of nodes? (*) AFAIK, again. I believe that the key exchange in CCMP is algorithmically unrelated to the PSK as seeding data, but I don't know for sure. I suggest we summon Orr, our resident crypto wizard? -- MichaelV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: 802.11N
On 12/22/2009 03:41 PM, sara fink wrote: WRT350N and WRT600N are linux based. The wifi card is broadcom. If they allow monitor mode, you will have to check by the model of chipset. These models support 3rd party software like dd-wrt, openwrt, sveasoft. Right now sveasoft web site was defaced. I have a WRT350N v2 (European, not US) with OpenWRT on it. If you're curious, could you assist me in checking whether it supports monitor mode or not? [snip] -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How do I install linux on a raid0?
On 08/18/2011 04:23 PM, Micha Feigin wrote: I just got a new w520 with two 500GB hard drives configured in raid0 (seems to be a bios based software raid0). Windows is already installed and running on it (and I need it to stay there unfortunately) and I'm trying to install linux along side it (debian unstable). I have a W700, which also has a similar controller. I'm happily running Gentoo Linux and Windows 7 backup OS there, on a striped raid setup. This is, indeed, fakeraid, so you have to have an initrd/initramfs and pass a few parameters to the kernel (which also has to have the support for this particular controller and the dmraid magic either as modules or built-in). Essentially, there is not much hardware support here, other than the metadata in the last sectors of both harddrives, everything is done at the main CPU. So you can use software RAID0/RAID1 with md instead of using the controller with dmraid and it might even be more robust. But I don't, for hysterical reasons (Windows). I use a separate /boot partition, but it's not required, I just play with a lot of kernels. The disklabel is the default msdos one, hasn't moved this one to GPT yet. Here is the unedited entry from my grub configuration file (Just in case, this is NOT grub2). title Gentoo Linux (3.0.0-git19) root (hd0,0) kernel /kernel-genkernel-x86_64-3.0.0-git19 root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/mapper/isw_deficgecde_OEMRAID05 dodmraid ht=on resume=/dev/mapper/isw_deficgecde_OEMRAID02 nouveau.perflvl_wr= nouveau.perflvl=0 initrd /initramfs-genkernel-x86_64-3.0.0-git19 The important parts are, of course, the dodmraid, root and real_root paramethers. Try to get the partition numbering right otherwise funny things will occur. I rely on the Gentoo genkernel tool to make my initramfs, but it's really not a huge task to do it manually. If you need further help, mail me off-list. -- MichaelV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: sponsorship?
On 05/29/2011 12:39 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, I just read this morning that Richard Stallman will not come to Israel due to pressure from the Palestinians who sponsor his visit. You can read it here: http://www.calcalist.co.il/internet/articles/0,7340,L-3519167,00.html?dcRef=ynet I'd have to agree with Eddie here. Richard has given an opinion about, and is well aware of both the tensions between us and the current situation. Expecting problems and simply not offering to arrive to Israel, since he has been here before would've been enough. But he absolutely had to be led by the nose and help to make a cheesy political PR stunt out of it, offering, negotiating, agreeing but later canceling his visit on a short notice. I can hardly believe he expected a political truce to be called under the umbrage of open source. While programmers quite easily forget the political aspect of collaborating on a certain piece of code or a paper, that has never been true with politicians. I hate to make this point over and over again this week, but freedom and freedom of choice are two very different things, yet the latter is a contemporary substitute for the former. Surprising is to see something like that to come from our expert on freedoms, with all his precise definitions. -- M.V ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: looking for a way to tell gcc not to remove some code he thinks is unreachable.
On 03/07/2011 12:11 PM, Erez D wrote: I have a function which is not called in a regular way, so gcc thinks it is dead code. however it is not, and i am looking for a way to tell the linker not to remove it. i can call it from some place with a flag that tells it to do nothing, but this is a ugly hack is there a directive telling gcc not to remove that certain function ? I did not exactly try, but if there is -fdce, which is by default enabled an -O*, there should be also -fno-dce and fno-tree-dce, is it not? thanks, erez. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Handy Program
On 01/16/2011 10:30 AM, Mordecha Behar wrote: I think that the people reading this list are the only ones in the world who would benefit from this program. You how you're typing in English (or Hebrew) and then look at the screen only to realize that you hadn't switched your keyboard? Frustrating. I got fed up with having to retype it all, so I wrote a little application to do it for me. I know that there are Windows programs that will do this, but none for Linux (that I'm aware of). You should look at xneur then. My original plan was to make an OpenOffice plugin, but I don't have the time now to start working on that. The program is a Java app, and will run on any platform. (I tested it on Windows XP, a Debian derivative and a Red Hat derivative, one using Sun Java and the other IcedTea). I'm releasing it and its source code under the GNU GPL. Feel free to use it, share it, improve on it, and maybe somebody out there has the time and skills to write an OOo plugin from it. Executable JAR file: http://thatside.net/downloads/TextConverter1.1.zip Source code: http://thatside.net/downloads/TextConverterSource1.1.zip Share and enjoy! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: gitolite vs. gitosis
On 12/09/2010 07:45 AM, Omer Zak wrote: Several weeks ago I asked for opinions about using git vs. Mercurial for version-controlling a Website (http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/ Hebrew translation, to be specific; I want to allow the project participants to modify and upload the Hebrew translation, yet require any changes to be committed to a version control system, in order to prevent vandalism). Now I am reading about git, and encountered gitolite and gitosis. Is there anyone with experience with those applications and can recommend whether to use one of them and if yes, which? Our group uses gitosis, and so far, it's been ok for our needs. However, the development stopped a while ago, and while I'm still rolling out my own custom patches sometimes, gitolite is the way to go. I'm going to migrate it Any Time Now. As for vandalism, git is not the tool to solve your problem. I can go and delete a branch on remote or unwind or modify history to what my heart desires and what exactly is going to stop me? -- Michael V. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: combined printer and scanner for linux
On 23/12/2009 21:01, Oron Peled wrote: On Wednesday, 23 בDecember 2009 17:26:09 Michael Vasiliev wrote: Not all HP MFT's are born equal. Mine is not partially supported in linux (no scanning support by sane and no duplexing support by hplip) Care to elaborate? (exact model, so others can avoid it). HP Color LaserJet 1015 MFP. Apparently, model 1017 is the same chassis/main PCB, but with more bells and whistles (LAN chip, color screen, ability to read SD cards, etc). Now as I check, support on HPLIP page says Full. But I've yet to make it work, a quick check results in xsane on latest ubuntu that can't connect with the scanner URI. -- Sincerely yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: combined printer and scanner for linux
Not all HP MFT's are born equal. Mine is not partially supported in linux (no scanning support by sane and no duplexing support by hplip) On 21/12/2009 09:47, Elazar Leibovich wrote: I apologize for double posting then. I didn't find the relevant thread in the archive http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/. Can you please post a link to it? On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com mailto:het...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Elazar, We had this discussion a month ago here on this mailing list. HP's solution working really well under Linux and fully supports SANE. Thanks, Hetz 2009/12/21 Elazar Leibovich elaz...@gmail.com mailto:elaz...@gmail.com Can anyone recommend a combined scanner and printer (so that the photocopying and the faxing capabiities can be used autonomously, even when the computer is off) which works reasonably well with linux? Going through the exhaustive scanners list in SANE's site, and matching every model with its name in Israel is not an easy job... ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il mailto:Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org Skype: heunique MSN: hetz-b...@benhamo.org mailto:hetz-b...@benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Sincerely yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: UltraEdit for Linux: who wants a license discount?
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: Cross-posted to several lists. I'm surprised the list even allowed it through. Putting the forums in BCC is a good start, but what would work even better is if you actually posted it separately. The way you posted it makes it extremely difficult for people to answer you publicly. I suspect the only reason this was posted at all was because one of the other admins manually approved it (which I wouldn't, by the way, for the reason stated above). I did it (don't you miss X-Approved-by: ?). Were I rejecting messages based on being technically correct header-wise, that list would not see much traffic. -- Sincerely yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew support on Android
Cyril, could you give more details on running android on nokia phones, (which are originally a symbian platform)? Cyril Scetbon wrote: Hi guys, Does anyone know how to install hebrew fonts on android. I had a Nokia N95 with hebrew support and I can no longer see my contact with hebrew's name ! For example, I can install Haaretz News Widget but it does not include hebrew support, so it's totally useless :( thanks -- Sincerely yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: n900 preorder
Customs are well aware of these services and will rip a huge hole in your wallet the very moment they see the remailer's from address. Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote: If you insist, there are services for USA shipping addresses. You give their address in the USA as yours, they re-ship to wherever you like. 2009/10/10 Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com: From the link you gave: Shipping: Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S. Hetz 2009/10/10 Erez D erez0...@gmail.com i saw that i can pre-order the n900 for just 580$ (it's real price should be 500 euro) from amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N900-Unlocked-Computer-3-5-Inch/dp/B002OB49SW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=wirelessqid=1255160977sr=8-1 i was wondering what about customs, and will the us version work well in israel. does anybody know ? thanks, erez. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Sincerely yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?
The power of the signal is inversely proportional to the square of distance. Why do you think such a feat would be possible? Boris shtrasman wrote: Sorry for the OT , But i guess using systems in other ways then they had been designed is a bug that not only i posses. I heard a lot about wireless power transition , while I heard about products that provide close distant power transmitting (1) what about using public wifi in my area ? I met many people that heard about some one that know some one that has access to device that uses radio signal to transfer low amount of power in short ranges. As i googled about it i guess it can be done using rectennas but only in close range to _High_ power radio transmitters (2) My question is it possible to be done with small radio signal equipment as Wi-Max and Wi-Fi ,Perhaps even with the new terrestrial transitions. Do any one have links to this kind of devices ? (1) http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/tq/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13174387 (2) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/3336114/Over-to-you-Mythical-electricity.html 10x in advance. -- Sincerely yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [OT] Power over radio is it a true thing or just a myth ?
Good, now put back the context you've omitted, take your antenna specs and prove it with numbers. Solutions that will make the fly-by birds go poof or yourself arrested and your equipment seized do not count. Shachar Shemesh wrote: Michael Vasiliev wrote: The power of the signal is inversely proportional to the square of distance. That is not precisely accurate. An undirected point source of EM radiation (or any other type of energy) transmits energy that expands on a sphere from the point of transmittal. The surface area of the sphere expands proportionally to R^2. Therefor, the law of conservation of energy dictates that the energy received over a constant area receiver (say, a 1 cm^2 energy receiver) will decline proportionally to the square of the distance from the transmitter. As a side note - does that prove that our universe only has three dimensions? However, if our transmitter is directional, and you keep the transmitter beam focused, so that it does not expand, there is no reason for the energy to almost not discard at all. Of course, the medium through which you transmit the energy may absorb some of it (assuming it is not a vacuum), and it may disperse some more of it, but there is no reason to get 1/R^2, or even 1/R. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com -- Sincerely yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: A simple question about hebrew in terminal
Herouth Maoz wrote: Quoting Dan Shimshoni danshi...@gmail.com: and if you show it in a BiDi aware application (say, konqueror or whatever file explorer you use), it will show properly. It is true that if I try to browse the contents of this directory with mozilla for example, it shows indeed : File:קובץ.a However, when I try to look at the contents of that directory using midnight commander, it shows garbage. something like: ץ???ק.a And it is important for me to view the contents of directories with hebrew file names properly with midnight commander as it is my daily file management app. seems that midnight commander has an encoding rather than BiDi issue. You should look for a way to set up its encoding, to be aware of UTF-8 file names. Not all MC versions with the the same version number are born equal. Some distros such as RH went as far as writing their own patches to MC for UTF-8 support and better looks. -- Sincerely yours, Michael Vasiliev ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [HAIFUX Lecture] Progreamming NXT using Open Source platforms - Yaniv Aknin
On 25/02/2009 16:12, Orr Dunkelman wrote: Next Monday, March 2nd at 18:30, Haifux will gather to enjoy Yaniv Aknin's talk about Progreamming NXT using Open Source platforms Spell-checker to the rescue! Abstract Presenting the NXT platform, one of the (many) open source platforms to program it, a demonstrations and challenges overcome. I had to re-read it three times. Let's have a campaign for titles that even a MENSA non-member could understand. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: how to MD5 sum a DVD without copying it.
MD5 on the device file won't work. But this works: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm On 11/02/2009 11:41, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Hi, I want to make an MD5 checksum of a DVD ROM to verify that it was burned properly. Is there a way to do this without making an ISO file from it? While I obivously have to read it, I don't want to do anything with the data other than calculate the checksum. Thanks, Geoff. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
On Tuesday February 26 2008, Dan Lieberman wrote: LinkedIn linux, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. Danny Lieberman www.software.co.il Buggy software is risky software www.ptatechnologies.com - Practical Threat analysis will save you money Learn more: https://www.linkedin.com/e/isd/217066301/MJ1g6Zhy/ -- What is LinkedIn? Get answers: Your network is full of industry experts willing to share advice. Joining Dan Lieberman's network is the first step to accessing this valuable resource. Get rid of that toolbar, Danny. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why let people know about your intimate life? beery
On Monday December 31 2007, :) luxuriance wrote: [spam] Ugh, sorry for that, people, pressed the approve button twice accidentially. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Here lies the body of Jonathan Blake Stepped on the gas instead of the brake. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using only left alt-shift for language changing
On Saturday November 24 2007, You wrote: I am currently using alt-shift to toggle the input language in X (so that others using the machine don't get confused trying to switch to hebrew). the problem is that there are some required shell and emacs commands that need both alt and shift (such as Meta-% in emacs and Alt- in bash). Is there a way to limit group switching in X to just the left-alt + left-shift combination or even better, only when no other extra character was pressed? Sure. Edit /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/group (your path may vary), search for alt_shift_toggle section, and comment out the relevant side. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev as appealing as it might seem, it is impossible to patch or upgrade users Security Warrior = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: application localization in Linux
On Sunday November 4 2007, You wrote: Do we something like that in Linux ? Or I just have to prepare a list of *.h files that will cotains #defines for all my strings in different languages ? Do we have have any crossplatform localization solution for C/C++ projects ? QT Linguist and KBabel are two of my favorite GUI tools for translating the localization files of various formats. Both have their advantages, as well as drawbacks, you can easily find it out by yourself. With some learning about the syntax, a text editor will do even better, but I mostly do it to finish things and generate a smaller diff. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: @iglu list address no longer working
On Sunday August 12 2007, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2007, Amos Shapira wrote about Re: @iglu list address no longer working: For some reason (people too lazy to change over?) the list managers decided to keep all three address instead of unifying them to one ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the natural one, IMHO). True. I disagree. The address should reflect the domain where the mailing list is hosted. Following that, people who replied through the address from which they were not subscribed got bounced. So a while ago the list managers dropped the subscription requirements and allowed non-member posts. This is probably not true. The subscription requirements were never dropped. But what happened (at least as far as I understand) is that @iglu and @linux are mere *aliases*, they forward all their mail to the @huji address. At @huji, the validity of the From: address, and potentially other things, are checked, just like it always did. Right. @iglu and @linux are no longer (again, if I understand correctly) mailing lists. They don't run any mailing list software, or any special filter at all. They don't have their own subscriber list. They just forward everything they get to @huji. Naturally, much of what they get is spam, just like much of what you get to any address, and this mixture of spam and (until some time ago) real posts is what got sent to huji. I don't remember iglu ever hosting linux-il. I may be wrong. 1994-1996 was before my time, and linux-il was hosted at Jerusalem College of Technology back then, and as of 05/1996, cs.huji.ac.il took over. I suggest we ask Omer Zak. Omer, you've been there from the beginning, am I correct? If I'm not correct in any of these statements, please step in an correct me. 1. What's the matter with @linux.org.il? Is it still used? No, just like the @iglu address, it got the axe and is ignored on Huji, so anything you send to it gets lost. Huji has nothing to do with iglu.org.il dropping incoming mail. What are your sources? -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Cynic, n.: Experienced. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: @iglu list address no longer working
On Sunday August 12 2007, Amos Shapira wrote: [skipped] Let's try to get back to the origins of all this problem, and I'm saying in advance that I might have missed something and got it wrong so you are welcome to correct me (and I'm a long way away so don't threaten me with I know where you live :). Linux-IL USED to be accessible through three addresses: @iglu.org.il, @linux.org.il and @cs.huji.ac.il (the real one). True as fixed. iglu.org.il and linux.org.il share an MX, so I will refer to them as one for the matter of discussion. For some reason (people too lazy to change over?) the list managers decided to keep all three address instead of unifying them to one ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the natural one, IMHO). False. The aliases on iglu.org.il were added as a service to the public. The topic of unifying the list addresses was brought up before a few years ago and list subscribers voted against it. I think that if the list is hosted on huji, the most natural address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Following that, people who replied through the address from which they were not subscribed got bounced. False. It did not matter to which address the message was sent. So a while ago the list managers dropped the subscription requirements and allowed non-member posts. False. Non-member posting were never allowed, it has to go through the process of moderator approval. In order to counter spam they added anti-spam filtering to the list. True. That anti-spam filtering broke by e-mails from @iglu so now @iglu is out and people are forced to post through @cs.huji anyway. False. See my reply to Ira. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Questions: 1. What's the matter with @linux.org.il? Is it still used? The linux.org.il admin (Shlomi Fish) was asked to deactivate the aliases and looks like the mail coming to them is devnulled. This is totally out of control of list managers. 2. Maybe the managers can reconsider limiting posts to list members again and get rid of these anti-spam measures, now that all subscribers are required to e-mail through the @cs.huji address? Totally missing the point, see above. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you. (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: @iglu list address no longer working
On Saturday August 11 2007, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Linux-IL Moderator, from the post of Fri, 10 Aug: unclear why this influences the spam filtering but still there's a question - why is it that sending to the old addresses no bouncing with an explanation message? I'll make it as short as possible: if iglu.org.il accepts and forwards all incoming mail to a certain alias to to [EMAIL PROTECTED], which considers iglu.org.il a somewhat trusted host, that effectively turns iglu.org.il to well DUH of course it circumvents RBL tests for HUJI but a. it would make a lot of sense installing RBL checks on iglu as well. Only at first glance. That would require moderators to watch two separate queues, and make tracing the particular eaten message impossible. b. it still won't explain why sending to the old iglu.org.il address just eats up the message wihout sending a bounce that the address either does not exist or that it has moved to huji. I'm not blaiming you for the latter, this is of course directed to whoever is in charge of the iglu machine. whois iglu.org.il gives, err ;)) -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Hardware met Software on the road to Changtse. Software said: You are the Yin and I am the Yang. If we travel together we will become famous and earn vast sums of money. And so the pair set forth together, thinking to conquer the world. Presently, they met Firmware, who was dressed in tattered rags, and hobbled along propped on a thorny stick. Firmware said to them: The Tao lies beyond Yin and Yang. It is silent and still as a pool of water. It does not seek fame, therefore nobody knows its presence. It does not seeks fortune, for it is complete within itself. It exists beyond space and time. Software and Hardware, ashamed, returned to their homes. -- Tao of Programmming = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ATTN] [MOD] Deactivation of Linux-IL aliases at linux.org.il and iglu.org.il
On Sunday July 8 2007, Amit Aronovitch wrote: Hi, Would appreciate if you post the reply for that on the list. I failed to remember the thing about the alias change (probably because of Shachar's post, I thought that decision might not be final, postponed making the appropriate configuration changes in my MUA's), and my messages were lost. That's exactly the reason for the aforementioned change. We can't control or be responsible for any mail you send or sent in the past through the now-inactive aliases. A lot of mails were lost even before we asked to shut them down. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev We must not put mistakes into programs because of sloppiness, we have to do it systematically and with care. -- Attributed to Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring Hebrew keyboard in KDE desktop
On Wednesday May 23 2007, You wrote: I simpy don't use KDE's configuration because of that, and use this combo: a. install kkbswitch, an alternative kde keyboard switcher http://kkbswitch.sourceforge.net/ b. simply add to .bashrc on my account: setxkbmap us,il -option grp:alt_shift_toggle kkbswitch Omer could use: -option grp:shifts_toggle -compat default+ledscroll or simply write a section in the xorg.conf. Note that there are some pecular differences in configuration between X.org and XFree86, like for example, ledscroll changed a section. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind. -- Wm. Shakespeare = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring Hebrew keyboard in KDE desktop
On Tuesday May 22 2007, You wrote: System: a PC with vanilla Debian Etch installation, with Gnome 2.14.3.6 and KDE 3.5.5 (package version 5:47). In Gnome, the Hebrew keyboard is properly configured, including LED to indicate which keyboard is active (Latin or Hebrew). However, I was not successful in doing the same in KDE. When I log into KDE desktop and use the KDE keyboard tool (Kxkb), I can configure Latin +Hebrew keyboard layouts, and switch between them when clicking on Kxkb's icon in the system tray (a flag). But I was not successful in getting it to recognize the Left Shift + Right Shift key combination, which I use to switch between layouts. Neither was I successful in getting the Scroll Lock LED to indicate the current keyboard layout. Both options exist in the Kxkb configure tab Xkb Options. The Enable xkb options checkbox is checked. Any advice about getting KDE to support Hebrew as well as Gnome? I believe we had this question answered here, by Yours truly, at least twice, with configs and everything. Search the archives, and mail me if you want. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev If in physics there's something you don't understand, you can always hide behind the uncharted depths of nature. You can always blame God. You didn't make it so complex yourself. But if your program doesn't work, there is no one to hide behind. You cannot hide behind an obstinate nature. If it doesn't work, you've messed up. -- Attributed to Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Biometric pornography law -- the real story.
On Sunday April 15 2007, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: The following was sent to me today by my wife: (sorry for the split link). http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp?enDispWho=Articles%5El1611; enPage=BlankPageenDisplay=viewenDispWhat=objectenVersion=0 enZone=Technology Link is dead. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Cynic, n.: Experienced. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux-il moderation and spam filtering
On Sunday March 25 2007, Aviram Jenik wrote: Here's an idea: why don't you, Peter, volunteer to be a moderator on this list? This will allow you to approve your own messages that are incorrectly flagged as spam, and also monitor all the censoring decisions made by the big bad non-existing IGLU CABAL. Not to mention take some load off the current moderator(s). Didn't want to play this card, but if you bring it to the table... List managers - is it feasible to add another moderator? While I'll happily offload a part of spamreading on another moderator, may I say that what Peter is so readily attributes to malice is simply a malfunction and lack of redundancy/communication in the admin team. It appears that both me and Ely got sick over the weekend and weren't able to deal with what seems to be a misconfiguration. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev We must not put mistakes into programs because of sloppiness, we have to do it systematically and with care. -- Attributed to Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: System stopped wotking with firefox
On Wednesday March 14 2007, Uri Bruck wrote: Zvi Har'El wrote: אכן, בשלב זה, אתר הכללית תומך רק בדפדפנים מסוג אינטרנט אקספלורר של מיקרוסופט מגרסה 5.5 ומעלה. מבדיקות תקופתיות שאנו עורכים על הרגלי הגלישה בישראל עולה כי כ-98% מכלל הגולשים בישראל משתמשים בדפדפן מסוג אינטרנט אקספלורר (הנתונים על הרגלי הגלישה בעולם, אגב, מראים כי 93.7% מהגולשים משתמשים בדפדפן זה). מה מקור הנתונים האילו? אני קורא די הרבה סטטיסיטיקות של שימוש בדפדנים שונים, םגם של אתרים מרכזיים שמפרסמים סטטיטיקות על עצמם וגם של כאלו שאוספים מידע ממספר מקורות, והמזפרים לא קרובים אפילו. כבר שנתיים שאקספלורר מתחת ל90% (פרט ליפן) ובאירופה אף מתחת ל 80% ובירידה. Got that out my insults file :) He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev as appealing as it might seem, it is impossible to patch or upgrade users Security Warrior
Re: [resend] xkbd language switching
On Tuesday March 6 2007, Dan Bar Dov wrote: Guys, I'm sorry to say this thread led me nowhere. I've been a Unix person for 26 years. This is a perfect example to why the hated windows is still better then Linux/unix as an office solution. As far as Linux desktop is concerned, I am a USER and I don't want to deal with that shit. Perhaps you misunderstood me. What I said that I think that KDE language switching is of no use to me. I didn't claim that no solution to what I want, and what any Windows user wants. With xkb and kkbswitch, one can set up everything that windows does and much more. Xkb configuration isn't that friendly, that's true, you have to change the X server configuration file. Some distros provide graphic tools to do that, exactly like Windows, some don't. But if I had these from the very beginning, what would be my chance to talk to Ivan Pascal, the author of xkb code? What would be my chance to know all these inner workings of xkb, that allow me to configure it anywhere for anyone, and in the first place for myself, without the crutch of graphic config generators? I am blessed with the chance to learn and help others at no expense other than my time, and for that I am grateful. As far as Linux, Windows, software and hardware go, I was a user once, and then I could no longer be a user anymore. The good part is that is Linux, there is no shit if you know what are you doing, and even if something is wrong, you have a rare opportunity to change the behavior easily. This is, after all, an open source software. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Confidence is the feeling you have before you understand the situation. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [resend] xkbd language switching
On Sunday March 4 2007, Dan Bar Dov wrote: [Sorry for the earlier post, kbd mistake] Now that I've learned that to switch input language on Linux I need to click the small icon with the two letters in the system tray, I'd like to do the switching by a keyboard shortcut. I've learned that the following commands do the switching: setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout il so I can use them as input actions to select english/hebrew. However, turns out the commands do not update the icon. Is there a better way to switching language on KDE 3.5.5/FC5 using the keyboard? KDE keyboard switching uses xmodmap rather than xkb, so if you change the layout with xkb, the KDE keymap switcher, obviously, isn't aware of the changes. Use Leonid Zeitlin's excellent kkbswitch instead. kkbswitch.sourceforge.net -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev For me, the first challenge for computing science is to discover how to maintain order in a finite, but very large, discrete universe that is intricately intertwined. And a second, but not less important challenge is how to mould what you have achieved in solving the first problem, into a teachable discipline: it does not suffice to hone your own intellect (that will join you in your grave), you must teach others how to hone theirs. The more you concentrate on these two challenges, the clearer you will see that they are only two sides of the same coin: teaching yourself is discovering what is teachable. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [resend] xkbd language switching
On Sunday March 4 2007, Vassilii Khachaturov wrote: I've learned that the following commands do the switching: setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout il so I can use them as input actions to select english/hebrew. However, turns out the commands do not update the icon. Is there a better way to switching language on KDE 3.5.5/FC5 using the keyboard? Please have a look at the following bug with a micro-HOWTO inside, on how to enable keyboard-based switching on the dead right-windows key: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84606 Oh, but that's just evil, setting RWIN to be a third-level modifier just for the fun of selecting it as a language switching key, because the binding selection engine does not understand that it is a modifier. If you would bind it as something else, that would be nice, but people use ISO_Level3_Shift to temporarily switch keymaps, and your hack creates a collision. It is interesting that ISO_Next_Group and ISO_Prev_Group can't be used as kde modifier keys, for some reason unknown to me. Perhaps, in a world where modifier keys can be bound to actions, making it impossible to bind the right key to this action makes sense. Moreover, it is only possible to switch keymaps in one direction in KDE. I still hang to my opinion that KDE keyboard switching is a mess between xkb and modmap, thus, I use xkb and ignore KDE keymap switching altogether. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev The following statement is not true. The previous statement is true. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchmail and DNS
On Monday February 19 2007, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Hi, My fetchmail brings mail from a POP3 server. None of you will be surprised that there are a bunch of spam emails waiting for me. The problem is that some of those spam messages come from an unresolvable sender domains. This causes a very significant delay for each message, and what's worse, the messages stay on the server and the delay happens every time, and it presumably gets worse as more problematic spams accumulate there. Here is a bit of a fetchmail -v trace: fetchmail: SMTP MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=2406 fetchmail: SMTP 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve fetchmail: SMTP error: 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve fetchmail: SMTP RSET fetchmail: SMTP 250 2.0.0 Reset state not flushed I use fetchall as the only non-default user option. Using no dns as a server option does not change anything. From the logs it looks like it is your local sendmail that is checking the DNS records, not fetchmail, neither the remote MTA. You should look into local sendmail configuration. Any ideas how to clean the queue on the server without risking losing an important email? You want the one-time dump of everything? Don't deliver to a real local MDA like sendmail, deliver to procmail with a single rule to dump all mail to a mbox file instead, (or filter it through whatever spam filtering solution you're using), then sort it out. Much faster IMO than delivering all to a local MTA. Piping mail through procmail does not necessarily exclude delivering it to local MTA eventually, it is just I find it easier and faster for a single user to sort and mark first then filter and deliver. You can achieve the same result with exim rules for example ( I don't do much sendmail so I don't know if you can do it from sendmail MTA). -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev If in physics there's something you don't understand, you can always hide behind the uncharted depths of nature. You can always blame God. You didn't make it so complex yourself. But if your program doesn't work, there is no one to hide behind. You cannot hide behind an obstinate nature. If it doesn't work, you've messed up. -- Attributed to Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Sunday February 4 2007, Peter wrote: On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Michael Vasiliev, from the post of Thu, 01 Feb: What reason do you have to believe that your identity is worth stealing? If you are truly paranoid I suggest two things: Ok, I am, after all, only human. So I will take the glove and play the dusty blackhat card today. 1. Change your online id to single-letter strings of just one letter, Like: zzz zzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suggest you take a look at advanced search syntax of google for a start. Google Hacks and book and j0hnny's website may be an interesting reading for you. This makes searching by your name futile. Or do what I do and sign all your messages with 'Peter' or 'John'. There are about 100 million Johns out there and in case of identity theft they will likely take another John's identity. After wiping off my tears, I did this naive query: http://www.google.com/search?q=peter+plp+actcomie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8 hitting paydirt at the very first obvious link: http://www.actcom.co.il/~plp Stealthy online presence indeed. The rest of the results look relevant as well. Having your not very common name, should I continue on what would an identity thief do next? 2. Encode your birthday and snail mail address using a riddle that only a patient human can solve. Example: http://www.cogsci.indiana.edu/farg/harry/address.htm (I solved that but it took a while) How's that going to protect your identity? 3. Digitally sign your email. Not like the peasants do by adding four lines of gpg crud, put it in a custom header instead. Yum! Give me another tracking vector, your web of trust. I will be able to pinpoint your location, interests, friends, business contacts...and measure the pet paranoia level in bits, while I'm at it. Do yourself a favor and next time you are going to distribute security advice, don't insult the blackhats' intelligence while you're doing it. They have a swollen ego, the very least, you'll be laughed at. They are smart enough to do what they do and not get caught, what makes you think they are stupid enough to not master the art of Google search? -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Let me have men about me that are fat Sleek-headed men and such as sleep o' nights Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look He thinks too much: such men are dangerous. -- William Shakespeare: Julius Caesar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ID theft (offtipicish)
On Wednesday January 31 2007, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Jonathan Ben Avraham, from the post of Tue, 30 Jan: Hi RP, What reason do you have to believe that your identity is worth stealing? identity thievs give as much care to whose identity they abuse as much as an attack script cares if it's carpet-scanning machines that are Linux or windows. every day snort reports 14k-20K attack packets on my server, even though there is nothing interesting in it other than potential abuse of bandwidth if they DO break in. same with ID theft, they will use it to forge bank activity or something, or buy stolen cars on his name or who cares what. the question is, why does he think that calling himself Random Penguin is any protection :-) So, a man decides to call himself Random Penguin, rather than, say, Daniel Johnson or the less original John Smith, while posting to Linux-IL. Whatever his intention was, I don't have a problem with that. There are groups that don't allow nicknames, this is not one of them. This has nothing to do with law and order in this forum. There were no rule to post under your real name last time I checked, and even if it were, how would you enforce that? I don't see any nice way to do that other than asking people to sign their mail, and that would be a not very popular idea. Besides, I enjoy seeing a cleverly crafted bulletproof virtual identity. Call me whatever you want, but I believe that sometimes these virtuals allow a person to express her/him-self better than under the real name. There are topics some people would like to discuss while staying incognito. Now, his decision that Linux in Israel is one of these topics is none of my business. I like to see who is who in this trade, but that's my point of view and I am not to project it on others. Not to mention that we all agree that withholding one's identity online is a right worth exercising. The question of how to do it efficiently is left as an exercise to the reader. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev .. Any resemblance between the above views and those of my employer, my terminal, or the view out my window are purely coincidental. Any resemblance between the above and my own views is non-deterministic. The question of the existence of views in the absence of anyone to hold them is left as an exercise for the reader. The question of the existence of the reader is left as an exercise for the second god coefficient. (A discussion of non-orthogonal, non-integral polytheism is beyond the scope of this article.) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can this be possible (or BIOS api)
On Monday January 22 2007 09:44, Dan Shimshoni wrote: Hello linux il , I had been playing with the idea of writing a small utility in C on linux which will enable me to change boot prioirity on a linux machine, so that I will be able to toggle the boot sequence (boot from CD/ not boot from CD). I mean the boot sequence which the BIOS saves in CMOS. Why not leave it to the bootloader to take care of El-Torito bootable CD-ROMs? There are bin files that take care of that both for lilo and grub, last time I checked, and a Gentoo howto on the topic. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Confidence is the feeling you have before you understand the situation. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with tetex 3.0
On Wednesday November 22 2006 22:50, Guy Rutenberg wrote: I upgraded to tetex 3.0 (I'm using gentoo) through portage. Now when i try to run 'pdfelatex' on files it fails immediately and outputs: This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.5-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5) kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdfelatex.fmt fmtutil: no info for format `pdfelatex'. I can't find the format file `pdfelatex.fmt'! If any of you can please help me i will greatly thank him, Cannot reproduce on x86 and don't have your arch, sorry. Why not reopen the bug you filed a month ago and provide the information the devs requested, and let them figure it out. They are much more helpful if you do what they tell you -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev ... the question of whether Machines Can Think ... is about as relevant as the question of whether Submarines Can Swim. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Contact number of Uri Even Chen?
On Friday November 3 2006 02:07, Amos Shapira wrote: Hello, I'm trying to reach Uri Even Chen who keeps sending me his paranoid spam messages and including my e-mail address on CC for any spambot to harvest. Blacklisting for as long as you don't want to receive mail from him will be both more polite than raging over the phone, fax and email, safer, easier and much better for your heart rate. There is a thousand ways to block incoming mail from a known address or domain, just choose yours. If he spams you, spam back approach is certainly not what I've expected from a Linux-IL subscriber, that's for sure. Leave that to short-tempered windows users. (and just generally associating myself with this nut case) Are you a professional psychiatrist? Be your answer positive or negative, I am strongly suggesting that you stop the labeling/smearing campaign right now. Consider this your first warning. P.S. He seems to send some to linux-il posting address, but I am putting it on hold for now. Not enough of a violation to punish. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL moderator Confidence is the feeling you have before you understand the situation. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Contact number of Uri Even Chen?
On Friday November 3 2006 08:17, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Amos Shapira wrote: Hello, I'm trying to reach Uri Even Chen who keeps sending me his paranoid spam messages It's not spam unless you don't know the guy. Paranoid it is, though. Is psychiatry your hobby or a profession? Either way, keep it to yourself. His resume lists the same number: personal information What word in the list's description you don't understand? We're discussing Linux here, or Linux-IL in general, not Linux-IL subscribers. Their contact information, be it public or not, is not to be discussed openly and archived. Don't force me to post a netiquette letter on monthly basis. First warning, don't push it. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL moderator We must not put mistakes into programs because of sloppiness, we have to do it systematically and with care. -- Attributed to Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Contact number of Uri Even Chen?
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Re: Image spam
On Wednesday November 1 2006 21:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Linux Il wrote: I auto forward my emails to a gmail account that i opened for this purpose only. then from the gmail account i Auto forward the email back to other secret email for viewing the emails. Gmail have a very strong spam filters and the spam will not be auto forwarded to you. My old personal email was heavily spamed in a way that I gave up on that email, since i got hundreds of spams everyday but now I get only the real emails. This might be a good and fast solution for personal emails and private machines, I am not sure if it will work for a mail server that serve lot of people, though it might be possible with some tweaks to the DNS and mail server. forgive me for suggesting this (no offense) but you can also put your email domain under google apps https://www.google.com/a/ ROTFL - What a great idea! Using gmail as a spam filter! Any idea if there is any restriction on using it this way? (Obviously they didn't anticipate this kind of usage, but I wonder if this breaks any of their published rules) Either they don't add any headers to indicate their spam status, or they are shadowed by my own spam filters when I fetch them with POP3. If they don't, how do you filter your mail and check for false positives? -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev If you don't have time to do it right, where are you going to find the time to do it over? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Image spam
On Monday October 23 2006 20:28, Gil Freund wrote: Hi, I am using a Amavis+SA+CLAM for mail filtering (debian sarge packages). Recently I am being hit by a lot of image spam. Bayesian filtering and RBL's are not enough. These mails are terrible, while my personal accounts get a few dozen each, Linux-IL posting address gets a hundred per day minimum. If we only relied on SA's checking, this list would look much worse than LKML. Most of these emails are a crazy mix of sentences on random topics, probably web-crawler generated, plus a gif image with a nasty ad of some kind (I never care enough to mimedecode them). The problem is that many of these are full of IT terms, some even Linux-related and making sense to a certain degree, at least to SA. These require me to actually read spam, and not skim through as I usually do. On the positive side of this annoyance is that I've developed an unusual and useless skill of reading through HTML pages without even noticing the tags. I wish they were sending spam in assembly language, preferrably of various arch-s, I'm becoming a bit rusty lately. :) SA's Bayesian filtering is terrible, I don't know why. (All right, I admit I am too lazy and illiterate at adult-level mathematics to figure out why). I'm running SA and bogofilter in parallel, clearly bogofilter is at least twenty times more accurate. SA's learning is not really effective, you can feed in a dozen of spam emails following the same pattern, and seconds later you get another false negative, which is something completely the same. Are the algorithms really identical? I have read of an OCR option for SA 3.01, but I before going to source packages or moving to etch, I would like to see of there are other options available for the current installation. Isn't that very, very slow and very, very inaccurate? Spamassasin is notorious for being a memory and CPU hog, adding another extension to fight a lost battle will make it even worse. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL Moderator Let me have men about me that are fat Sleek-headed men and such as sleep o' nights Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look He thinks too much: such men are dangerous. -- William Shakespeare: Julius Caesar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 ssh servers on 1 ip
On Wednesday October 18 2006 16:31, Erez D wrote: hi i have one ip on the internet, but two ssh servers. so i did port forwarding: port 501 - host1:22, port 502 - host2:22 the problem is that my local ssh client (openssh/linux) assumes they are the same computer and is not happy with them having different certificates (so i am blocked from one of them unless i delete the line from ~/.ssh/... ) is there a way around this ? Get a free domain name from a dynamic ip service like DynDNS and connect by the hostname? OK, so I haven't tried setting up two ssh servers on one IP, but it should work. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev unfair competition, n.: Selling cheaper than we do. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nvidia closed-source driver root exploit available
And now, ladies and gentlemen, a moment we've been waiting for since 2004, when this bug was first discovered! An URL worth a thousand words: http://kerneltrap.org/ Read the comments for the easy URL that crashes the driver and X when clicked. The Rapid7 advisory: http://download2.rapid7.com/r7-0025/ A beta of the next version of nvidia drivers is available from Nvidia website, that supposedly fixes that bug, they somehow failed to properly release the release notes. ;) -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Real Programmers don't play tennis, or any other sport that requires you to change clothes. Mountain climbing is OK, and real programmers wear their climbing boots to work in case a mountain should suddenly spring up in the middle of the machine room. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia closed-source driver root exploit available
On Tuesday October 17 2006 12:52, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Michael Vasiliev, from the post of Tue, 17 Oct: A beta of the next version of nvidia drivers is available from Nvidia website, that supposedly fixes that bug, they somehow failed to properly release the release notes. ;) is it closed? I seem to recollect it compiles itself to whatever kernel you have and only drops a binary driver for Xorg. Links, not compiles. It's a 5.3MB .o binary blob under a proprietary nvidia license, that uses the usual kernel symbols, as all external modules do, wrapped around with some C that provides the linking layer against your kernel version. Obviously, by loading the module, you taint your kernel. With the kernel driver you get a set of closed source GL libraries that you have to install to use the 3D acceleration and enjoy X lockups, kernel oopses and random crashes resulting in serious data loss. Switching to a new ABI in X.org 7 broke the glyph rendering for almost 6 months. The libraries are compiled without -fPIC, so prelink is out of question for your X and most of the programs that link against it. The documentation is scarce and scattered to say the least, though there was some degree of improvement in recent versions. Still, you have to spend some quality time if you plan on configuring the card in some way other that the default decision of the driver. On some chipsets, driver forces AGP 1X even if the card and motherboard are capable of more due to some incompatibility issue I can find nothing about. Recent horror story: My computer crashes at nights, when I'm not around. Turned out the users have a healthy habit of switching the AC off and opening a window when leaving the workplace. Combined with the 39C temperature outside and some cards are simply overheating with these drivers, and require replacement of the liquidated thermal conducting paste, swapping a heatsink for a larger one and adding a fan. All that drives you to degree of desperation you never reached, that's from personal experience both as a sysadmin and a user). Did I mention that there is an open-source nv X driver available (no 3D though), as well as open-source nvidia framebuffer kernel support? I'll stick with that unless I don't have a choice. The idea of watching a system getting stuck in an infinite loop of gettimeofday(2) calls doesn't sound that appealing to me. The hardware may be great, but I can't tell, as I never saw the code that runs it. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Without the wind, the grass does not move. Without software, hardware is useless. -- Tao of Programming = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ScsiSata Inquiry tool for linux
On Friday October 13 2006 15:59, guy keren wrote: [since you're a top-poster, i'll top-post too ;)] Ugh :[ -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev If in physics there's something you don't understand, you can always hide behind the uncharted depths of nature. You can always blame God. You didn't make it so complex yourself. But if your program doesn't work, there is no one to hide behind. You cannot hide behind an obstinate nature. If it doesn't work, you've messed up. -- Attributed to Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Login problem
On Saturday September 23 2006 19:18, guy keren wrote:
On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 06:25 +0300, Michael Vasiliev wrote:
On Saturday September 23 2006 03:31, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 23/09/06, Michael Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not entirely correct, if you have some privileges, namely if you are
still a root user inside a chroot padded cell, you can easily break
out by moving up
a root user can just create a device file and access any device
through that, that's why you shouldn't give root access if you don't
trust the user of the chroot jail.
No points. We weren't discussing that, we discussed how the chroot call
works. There are infinite number of things you can do with root access.
the tree with fchdir(open(.,O_RDONLY)), followed by a number of
chdir(..) and chrooting(.), eventually hitting the /. I think the
BSD version of
Are you sure? Have you tried this?
Actually, I did something like that, about ten years ago. :) But don't
tell anyone, ok? ;)
Here is what happens at the root of a chroot'ed directory:
# ls -ldi . ..
2 drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 624 2006-06-08 17:49 .
2 drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 624 2006-06-08 17:49 ..
Same directory outside chroot:
# ls -ldi . ..
2 drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 624 2006-06-08 17:49 .
2 drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2006-08-26 10:25 ..
I.e. the chroot environment will simulate the standard practice of
/.. == / (the 624 means the they are the same i-node)
Ok, they are on the same inode. I never claimed otherwise. And your point
is?
If the chroot does not set the working directory of the calling program
to the chroot one, I don't even need the fchroot call.
#include sys/types.h
#include sys/stat.h
#include unistd.h
int main()
{
int i;
mkdir(foo,0755);
chroot(foo);
for(i=0;i255;i++) {
chdir(..);
}
chroot(.);
execl(/bin/sh,-i,NULL);
}
Works for me...
foo / # chroot /chroot /bin/bash
bash-3.1# ./bar
foo / # ls
bin boot chroot dev etc home lib lost+found mnt opt proc root
sbin sys tmp usr var
foo / #
your program is flawed, and you didn't see it because you didn't check
any errors in it, neither have you read the man page of 'chroot(2)'.
For a man your age, you spend too much time under my bed.
according to the man page, chroot does NOT change the directory. you
need to change it explicitly in your code. so your program did not
create the so-called root jail properly. if you had added a 'chdir'
into the new directory, and then did 'chroot .', then you'd have done
your job (more) properly.
The program was never intended to create a root jail, but to escape from one
by setting a new root deeper than the working directory, thus effectively
placing the wd outside the chroot, and then nothing will prevent me from
chdir-ing all the way to the top.
Even if you change the working directory of the calling process in your chroot
code, I could still escape by adding the code of opening the wd, and fchdir
into it to the code above, before the chdirs. It works for me, on my system.
It does not have to work as is on yours. How should I know what grsecurity
patch you have compiled in?
if you add error printings to your code, you'll see that your last execl
fails with 'no such file or directory'.
Interesting. My original code had the error checks in. I stripped them. No,
the execl call did not fail. I am a little bit concerned though, about your
claims that you see things that happen on my system. Is it your wild
imagination or should I be very, very afraid (TM) ? :)
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Re: Login problem
On Friday September 22 2006 11:35, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Michael Jaffe, from the post of Fri, 22 Sep: After setting up a chroot jail, two problems arose: 1) In graphical mode, I am not able to login under any username except root and you DO have other users in the chroot's shadow and passwd files? 2) In terminal mode, whenever I try to execute the login command, the shell closes describe that, please? because sounds like you really want to run su. login will stop to ask for a password, that's what it does, and it's not your bash exiting, it's a fork. if you exit login you will get your propmt again. I tried using the following command under root to reset chroot chroot / won't work, that's why it's called a chroot JAIL. it can only be set DOWN the tree, not back up. Not entirely correct, if you have some privileges, namely if you are still a root user inside a chroot padded cell, you can easily break out by moving up the tree with fchdir(open(.,O_RDONLY)), followed by a number of chdir(..) and chrooting(.), eventually hitting the /. I think the BSD version of chroot is sligtly more tricky to get out of. Also, there are numerous kernel patches that restrict you from doing that. As usial when it comes to battle of the minds, human factor plays the most important role. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Login problem
On Saturday September 23 2006 03:31, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 23/09/06, Michael Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not entirely correct, if you have some privileges, namely if you are
still a root user inside a chroot padded cell, you can easily break out
by moving up
a root user can just create a device file and access any device
through that, that's why you shouldn't give root access if you don't
trust the user of the chroot jail.
No points. We weren't discussing that, we discussed how the chroot call works.
There are infinite number of things you can do with root access.
the tree with fchdir(open(.,O_RDONLY)), followed by a number of
chdir(..) and chrooting(.), eventually hitting the /. I think the BSD
version of
Are you sure? Have you tried this?
Actually, I did something like that, about ten years ago. :) But don't tell
anyone, ok? ;)
Here is what happens at the root of a chroot'ed directory:
# ls -ldi . ..
2 drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 624 2006-06-08 17:49 .
2 drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 624 2006-06-08 17:49 ..
Same directory outside chroot:
# ls -ldi . ..
2 drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 624 2006-06-08 17:49 .
2 drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2006-08-26 10:25 ..
I.e. the chroot environment will simulate the standard practice of
/.. == / (the 624 means the they are the same i-node)
Ok, they are on the same inode. I never claimed otherwise. And your point is?
If the chroot does not set the working directory of the calling program to the
chroot one, I don't even need the fchroot call.
#include sys/types.h
#include sys/stat.h
#include unistd.h
int main()
{
int i;
mkdir(foo,0755);
chroot(foo);
for(i=0;i255;i++) {
chdir(..);
}
chroot(.);
execl(/bin/sh,-i,NULL);
}
Works for me...
foo / # chroot /chroot /bin/bash
bash-3.1# ./bar
foo / # ls
bin boot chroot dev etc home lib lost+found mnt opt proc root sbin
sys tmp usr var
foo / #
Anyway, that example is sort of a classic spherical horse in vacuum, because I
have a shell(sic!) inside my jail.
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Michael Vasiliev
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terminal, or the view out my window are purely coincidental. Any resemblance
between the above and my own views is non-deterministic. The question of the
existence of views in the absence of anyone to hold them is left as an
exercise for the reader. The question of the existence of the reader is left
as an exercise for the second god coefficient. (A discussion of
non-orthogonal, non-integral polytheism is beyond the scope of this article.)
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Re: paying 'Bituach Leumi' using Firefox
On Friday September 15 2006 20:06, Moshe Leibovitch wrote to Guy Keren: [skipped] Guys, guys, as long as you exchange Hebrew one-liners in private, I don't care, but why CC linux-il? This is an English-speaking list, after all. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL moderator I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you. (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gentoo is about to drop hspell support
On Sunday August 27 2006 18:24, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: Hello Michael, I don't understand why you are writing this to us and not to gentoo developers. You should discuss this on the bug track system, so there will be an audit trail for this. [skip] The fact that Gentoo developers screw this and other packages should be discuss on their court. IMO, the bugzilla is not the place for arguments, but a place to fix things up. And there is no point in audit trail, since the treecleaners are the policeman, the judge and the executioner combined, having both the power of decision what packages to remove and the power to actually remove them. Whatever their decision will be, it will be final. Or at least it's what it says. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind. -- Wm. Shakespeare = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gentoo is about to drop hspell support
It has come to my attention (since I am CC-d on that particular bug) that Gentoo treeclean team is about to remove hspell from main Gentoo portage tree. I've responded immediately to team lead, Alec Warner, about it, and we're discussing it in private mail ever since. He suggests that we have a local overlay of hspell and packages that need hspell support, or use http://gentoo-sunrise.org My response was on the inconvenience of such solution, due to the fact that hspell support is already present in KDE and commented-out in Gentoo version of it for political/bureaucratic reasons. Other than maintaining our own overlay, the easiest and most straightforward way would be to add a recent version of hspell and revert the hspell-remove patch. Of course, there comes the real problem: no Gentoo developer is willing to watch the package and update the portage tree CVS if needed. I am against mass-mailing Alec Warner as of that moment, please read on: A little bit of background: Hspell was originally imported at version 0.4 in April 2003 and maintained by Tal Peer and Alex Weber. They are since then retired as Gentoo developers and currently there is noone to act as a maintainer (which in that particular case is basically a liason between upstream developers and the CVS interface ;). In January 2005, Alon Bar-Lev submitted a new ebuild for the version 0.9 which, with minor fixes by yours truly, was never merged. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77751 12 months later, in December 2005, Gentoo KDE team removed hspell support from KDE due to incompatibility with the version in portage tree (0.7), the version requred was 0.8, while the version available on official site was 0.9. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114161 Currently, without packages that depend on hspell, the treeclean team has picked on the orphaned package and marked it pending removal on September 26. I know that there is a lab of Gentoo in Haifa University (using their own overlay when it comes to hspell and KDE). Honestly, I'm a bit tired of Gentoo way of breaking^Wrunning things, and Debian seems more and more appealing every day. Let's establish how many Gentoo users are there that hspell is important to them. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL moderator I mean, if 10 years from now, when you are doing something quick and dirty, you suddenly visualize that I am looking over your shoulders and say to yourself: 'Dijkstra would not have liked this', well that would be enough immortality for me. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OLS 2006 recordings
Hello all, I believe these might interest some of you. OLS 2006 recordings, courtesy of Shawn Starr. http://christian-leber.de/~ijuz/ols2006.torrent -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev This door is baroquen, please wiggle Handel. (If I wiggle Handel, will it wiggle Bach?) -- Found on a door in the MSU music building = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OLS 2006 recordings
On Thursday July 27 2006 12:50, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: Since you mentioned it, proceedings are at http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2006/proceedings.php. The organizers also asked the presenters to send their slides, so those should show up on the site sometime too. I check them on daily basis. And still no slides for the events I wanted, neither on the site, nor on the personal sites. Sitting there soldering (all of a sudden, I have plenty of free time to dedicate to all the circuitry gathering dust on my desk), rewriting procmail rules and the lovely song of the sirens doesn't help either. My patience is running out, another week and I'll start mailing the relevant presenters :) P.S. I really recommend ham radio or another harmless hobby for all these returning from the shelters. Keeps you calm. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev ...this does not mean that some of us should not want, in a rather dispassionate sort of way, to put a bullet through csh's head. Larry Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I change my subscribed email address ?
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Re: optimization guidelines required for C.
On Thursday June 29 2006 23:14, Diego Iastrubni wrote: [Isn't your kmail supposed to insert the right quote phrase depending on the language you wrote this email in?] WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. How obvious. With such stupid and embarrassing signatures automatically appended to their employees mail, would you believe they could choose a less vulnerable operating system? Which reminds me... wine is still a piece of garbage. I tried on one of those viruses a few days ago... nothing. Well, even if they are transmitted, they cant do a thing. Yeah, looks like wine is still not up to running the latest in viral fashion line. :) You'll have to run you know what OS in a virtual machine to test and dissect the latest virus you got in your mail. I recommend to dig the most ancient version you have to go and surprise the little wormy. Hours of fun. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev .. Any resemblance between the above views and those of my employer, my terminal, or the view out my window are purely coincidental. Any resemblance between the above and my own views is non-deterministic. The question of the existence of views in the absence of anyone to hold them is left as an exercise for the reader. The question of the existence of the reader is left as an exercise for the second god coefficient. (A discussion of non-orthogonal, non-integral polytheism is beyond the scope of this article.) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random numbers in Linux servers
On Sunday June 25 2006 18:39, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Geiger counters coupled to slightly sub-critical lumps of enriched uranium can be tuned to provide arbitrarily large amounts of entropy. Certainly you don't need enriched uranium for that. Which also means that such a device can be attached to every server without any risk to personnel. Very random (and safe) radioactive sources are often used in labs at universities and schools, in conjunction with Geiger counters. Very useful for studying Poisson distributions... Well I am merely a humble physics fan, but isn't thermal noise much, much cheaper? And BTW, it's what was used for our favorite onboard RNG we all miss so much -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random numbers in Linux servers
On Sunday June 25 2006 13:25, Amos Shapira wrote: [skipped] In theory, by the by, disk access can ALSO be controlled to a degree (less than network, but still)... So - whence entropy? Shall we now start adding external devices via RS232 (some kind of multi-cascade motion detector ;-)... And take the risk that the server next doo in the hosting farm can install a radio-sensitive serial-cable reader to read your serial traffic (sounds impossible? Ask the security products people who worked at Efrat/Comverse about ten years ago). While we have our late spring paranoia outbreak, why not building a white noise generator if we already have plenty of randomness available? Or, perhaps, a different RNG, only to feed the white noise? Well I am full of cheap ideas today, pick a B/W _lamp_ TV from flea market, rip the shields off and install it on your server rack. Or, I think every hardware type have a good old CD-ROM in his or her Parts pile that, being plugged in into 12/5 molex, messes up radio reception in an entire block. Much like mother Russia's jamming devices, only in a much more useful form factor. That's the only reason I keep mine. For the noisy neighbors :) -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. -- Charles Babbage = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VMware guest net problems?
On Wednesday June 14 2006 00:16, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And that goes to show that flash attracts flash :-)... I am sorry, I use FC4 on x86_64 on my home machine, and flash is one thing that is repelled because there is no x86_86 player for Linux... ;-) Installing a 32-bit version of flash player (and w32codecs, for the good company) on x86_64 FC machine is two hours of pure dependency hell, but nonetheless a feasible task. I've done that about 4 months ago, and I doubt something changed drastically since then. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev The day after tomorrow is the third day of the rest of your life. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Unsubscribe from linux-il
On Thursday May 25 2006 18:38, Uri Sharf wrote: Apologies for the OT, but I can't unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] from this list even after following the instructions provided by Listar. Would appreciate help with manual removal. Removed manually by list owner. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL moderator ...this does not mean that some of us should not want, in a rather dispassionate sort of way, to put a bullet through csh's head. Larry Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[MOD] We are experiencing technical difficulties....
Fellow readers, Due to what seems to be an upgrade in spam filtering software used to keep linux-il clean, fresh, nice and free of spam, we are experiencing some bumps and falls when it comes to processing the mails properly. Currently there is a constantly growing number of false negatives on the moderation queue, and I am doing my best to have them reviewed, sorted and fed back to filtering. Unfortunately, with our current traffic status, false positives review is not a feasible task. Simple calculation shows that if I only spend 5 seconds on every mail, i will have to work far about 90 hours to do the weekly review. So, if you mail gets stuck for more than 24 hours, please mail me and I will sort it out as soon as possible. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL moderator ...this does not mean that some of us should not want, in a rather dispassionate sort of way, to put a bullet through csh's head. Larry Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shared Object, ID yourself
On Saturday April 8 2006 13:01, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: [information which I found very useful] This has to be the most educational thread for me that I saw on the list in years. Orna, Oleg, if you are going to discuss this further, don't forget to CC yours truly ;) -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Confidence is the feeling you have before you understand the situation. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ATTN] please enlighten me
On Sunday March 26 2006 09:31, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Michael Vasiliev wrote: Oded, there are some things that I will certainly not tolerate on this list and xenophobia is one of them. Consider yourself officially warned. In case you decide to continue pursuing that topic, I'll arrange you a personal vacation with less reading and writing. Have a nice day. Have you never heard of freedom of speech? I don't agree with what he said, but he has the right to think and say it! He didn't curse and didn't break any rule, he just said that he thinks the American decision makers are stupid. I think there are some truth in it. But I wouldn't use the word stupid - I would use the words arrogant, selfish etc. First of all, I am a subscriber of the list for years, under various identities, and I think no one ever claimed that this list is to be a model of perfect democracy. I have reasons to believe that its creators never intended it to be like that (otherwise, why there is a mod?). Second, it is natural that every list subscriber have the right to say or yell whatever he likes AND take full responsibility for his words. I don't think that freedom of speech is all about the ability to troll or initiate a smear campaign every time you have a bad day. Third, I reserve the right to decide on my own what I see fit and what not, in absence of the board of moderators. Quite frankly, I don't need to explain my actions to anyone and my decisions are final. When each and every one joined, he or she agreed on the fact that the list is post-moderated. If any of the subscribers feel very uneasy about this fact, they are welcome to raise the topic on the public discussion, mail the owner, or, ultimately, un-subscribe sigh. Fourth, the topic has been raised in the past and my actions were questioned before. For some people, even my occasional interference with the _free_ discussion is bad enough. I want to make clear that there are no strict guidance or censorship on that list, other that the usual screening of automatically selected incoming mails to detect spam. No matter how silly I think the post is, it is being let through, and only then I decide on it's quality. Most curious readers could find exactly how many posts have the X-Approved-By: header. These were forwarded to the list manually. Fifth, I understand completely that the spirit of freedom, so abundant in the main topic of this list, has to manifest itself somehow in the list rules. For this reason, I suggest that the moderator group position(s) should be filled by annual election, similarly to moderated Usenet groups. Now, I strongly suggest that all inquiries of that nature should be directed to me or Ely via private mail. There is no reason to add to traffic on this list with discussions of that nature. -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev Linux-IL moderator Program testing can be a very effective way to show the presence of bugs, but is hopelessly inadequate for showing their absence. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
