Re: One reason why I should have a Linux laptop
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 19:43 pm, Ken Moffat wrote: James McDonald wrote: I had to reboot g. Now if I had linux on the laptop Why do you not have linux on that laptop? Or why not use a Knoppix CD or even boot a floppy with Tom's RTBT? -- + + + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/19/03 20:13 + + + The important thing is not to stop questioning. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Friday 14 November 2003 9:09 am, Collins Richey wrote: Agrred. Since Mozilla have indicated that Firebird is the once-and-future-browser, it would seem that improvements are to be expected. I've been using Firebird since it's early days, and it's quite good. Nevertheless, 0.7 has more of a propensity to just go poof (TM) than earlier versions; segfault I presume. Perhaps I should resume the practice of getting the CVS versions. Hmmm I don't think I've ever seen .7 go poof Perhaps it's your . naw I won't go there... :-) But it's been rock solid here. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/14/03 09:18 + ++ Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist after he grows up. - Pablo Picasso ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: way ot
On Friday 14 November 2003 9:19 am, Collins Richey wrote: :-) and ;-) A smile (on its side) and a smile with a wink. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/14/03 09:42 + ++ Those who welcome death have only tried it from the ears up. - Wilson Mizner ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Friday 14 November 2003 10:13 am, Myles Green wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 09:19:45AM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Friday 14 November 2003 9:09 am, Collins Richey wrote: Agrred. Since Mozilla have indicated that Firebird is the once-and-future-browser, it would seem that improvements are to be expected. I've been using Firebird since it's early days, and it's quite good. Nevertheless, 0.7 has more of a propensity to just go poof (TM) than earlier versions; segfault I presume. Perhaps I should resume the practice of getting the CVS versions. Hmmm I don't think I've ever seen .7 go poof Perhaps it's your . naw I won't go there... :-) But it's been rock solid here. I've been getting the same problem as Collins myself (on Slackware 9.1). Being too lazy to build it myself, I've been using the pre-built version with xft enabled. I just attributed it to that fact. Did you build your own by any chance? HAND Myles Nope... just downloaded the tarball.. Running it on both SuSE 9.0 and 8.2 -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/14/03 10:22 + ++ The decision doesn't have to be logical, it was unanimous. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: StarOffice 7 user question
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 4:27 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: StarOffice 7 user question: I am curious about the quicker startup time for StarOffice 7. I am not convinced mine is really faster than OpenOffice 1.1. Maybe this is how it should be. When your StarOffice 7 starts, you get the little startup box with a progress bar. On mine, the window shows up reasonably quick. The progress bar zips to just about the middle almost instantly. However, at this midpoint location it stops for some seconds. Then it pops to the end almost instantly. Is this how it acts on other systems? I may just be expecting too much. I wonder if this is different if you have a faster hard disk, as I think lots of the startup time is reading in files. I get the same results here on an Athlon 800mhz with SCSI drives... And I don't think it really is starting any faster than StarOffice 6.0 did. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/12/03 07:08 + ++ Hansen's Library Axiom: The closest library doesn't have the material you need. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 15:34 pm, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: Has anyone done an update to an existing 8.2 system? Or will I be in a bad mood tomorrow evening? I don't do updates anymore... just new installs but no one over on the SUSE list has had any real problems with an update. Most go just flawlessly and the others may have a niggle or two. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/12/03 15:55 + ++ Go Hawaiian: Give your gal a lei. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 21:28 pm, Bill Campbell wrote: My first computer had its only memory on a drum Sounds like either a Bendix G-15 or something from Univac. IBM 850 (IIRC) Drum was run by a drive belt and if there was a power hit, sometimes the belt would snap. One thing that amazed me was walking into the computer room at the Naval Air Station, Whidbey Island, to find not only a Burroughs B-3800, the same type of main frame I managed for years, but an IBM 026 keypunch still in use. This was in 1995! The last time I had to use an 026 was in 1967 or thereabouts. I'll bet somewhere in the gummit they are still using them today. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/05/03 09:12 + ++ No one is listening until you make a mistake. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Wednesday 05 November 2003 10:19 am, Rick Sivernell wrote: My new linux user is fighting his new Suse system. Can not comprehind the use of multiple screens, thinks that is a waste of space, says Winders does this winders do that. I just grin and tell in a couple of weeks he will refuse to use winders. I have gotten all of his bussiness data in a windows partion of Fat. Something that may help him if you haven't done it already. Control Center --- Desktop --- Window Behavior --- Traverse through all desktops This will make his (loved) alt-tab key show all tasks no matter what window they are in. He won't even have to know he has multiple desktops. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/05/03 10:37 + ++ It is better to wear out than to rust out. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 0:53 am, Joel Hammer wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And, wonder of wonders, it doesn't start a second instance of itself when you click on two documents in the file browser to edit. That was a pain in SO6. And it has a macro recorder as well as an editor. Now, this is progress. Has anyone used SO7? Any impressions? Tips? Thanks, Joel I'd like to know how they can sell it for $30 when Sun is selling it for $79.95 on their web site. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/04/03 08:38 + ++ The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 20:00 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular feature that makes the departure from open software worthwhile. I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to bother much with computers. So, saving time is becoming more important than politics. I am also of the opinion, at least for now, that the open source movement just will not be able to deliver the ease of use of commerical software. What volunteer programmer is going to knock himself out for hours so some lazy non-paying user can have a trouble free software experience? Too often, open source means take it or leave it, blemishes included. I have gotten tired of that. I tip generously at restaurants for good service, so I can't see why I shouldn't pay someone who writes software which saves my time. And, certainly, $30 bucks for a competent suite like Star Office is a bargain. I feel good about supporting both Sun and Lindows, too. Joel Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/04/03 20:11 + ++ Friends: People who borrow my books and set wet glasses on them. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 21:16 pm, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! I don't think age is a big issue with computers...I've been working with them for 42 years... might as well keep on going... :-) My first computer had its only memory on a drum -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/04/03 21:19 + ++ It's as BAD as you think, and they ARE out to get you. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Well somewhat
On Friday 24 October 2003 17:55 pm, Rick Sivernell wrote: List We are having a new convert to Linux from M$sludge. He has a business, small, and is spendinging way to much time trying to keep his box working. I just spent 2 hours cleaning a virii and updateing his virii code, Norton. It does pay well thogh, hehe. As I was saying, I am about to get him a new Hard drive, 60 to 120 gig IDE. I will be putting linux system on it and a partition for dos stuff he needs for work and till he can converet over. I was wondering to myself if gentoo or suse 8.2 pro would be best. It is nice to have such nice problems. Just thought Linux group would like to know about any new converts. cheers Good going..!!One thought I had is that you might consider using dosemu for his DOS stuff. Works quite well and I have a couple of dinosaur apps running under it. (some DbaseIII stuff and a checking program) Depending on what he is using, it might save him some booting. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 10/24/03 19:56 + ++ If your baseball cap read 'DEC' instead of 'CAT', you might be a high tech Redneck' ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO Woes III: 6 weeks later. I still can't buy a license from SCO.
On Thursday 09 October 2003 10:57 am, M. Drew Streib wrote: SCO Woes III: 6 weeks later. I still can't buy a license from SCO. by Drew It has been six weeks since my initial contact with SCO regarding getting a license for my Linux appliance server business, and SCO's apathy towards the sale is as great as it ever was. If I didn't know any better, I'd say their sales department now has a well orchestrated circle of runarounds to keep you from actually pinning anybody down. I left off my last letter in this series with a phone call to my friendly sales rep who had promised to call me back within days. I never received a call back from that rep, and left them a couple more friendly messages asking for information to no avail. Feeling left out in the cold, I called the SCO main sales line and asked to be routed to a sales person who could help me with buying Linux server licenses. I was routed to a regional sales rep, whose voicemail got a polite request for information, again with no response. I called the main SCO sales line again and told them that I _really_ needed to talk to someone about a sale, as I was ready to purchase, and couldn't find anyone to take my money. I was routed to _another_ sales rep in my area, and since he was of course not immediately available, I left another voicemail. This one at least called back. He didn't have any Linux license information for me, but took my questions (including how can I buy this now?) and promised me a callback. Sound familiar? I didn't receive a callback with any answers, but I did receive an email from this new rep telling me that the _original_ person I had talked to would be contacting me within a couple days with answers. It has been 6 days since my latest broken promise from SCO, and I'm really not wondering why they are a doomed company, with the way they treat their potential customers. Once again, I have called that original SCO rep and requested information and a followup on my original questions. This was all on voicemail of course, since actually getting a SCO rep on the phone is apparently a task worthy of a congressional medal. I have a request of Linux (or really any) news organizations. Find two or three of your best reporters and have them try, in the nicest way possible, to buy a Linux license from SCO. I'm having absolutely terrible luck, despite my most gracious attempts, to throw money at SCO (in return, of course, for the famed license). I can't believe that a sales force is this incompetent, or instead of that possibility, that SCO could be so blatantly outright in their lying about license availability. Darl, reading this? Sell me a license. If it is in fact available, fire your sales force for incompetence. -drew Hasn't it occurred to you that they don't want to sell you a license because if their IP claims are proven false... they could be charged with fraud?? It's just more smoke and mirrors. And the news media could try buy a license, but they could more easily try to find someone who has a license. In fact, next time you're on the phone, why don't you ask them to point you to a license holder. (but they will claim they can't because a privacy... and I can understand that if in fact they have sold a license) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 10/09/03 12:19 + ++ Rubber bands have snappy endings! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: question
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 8:14 am, Rick Sivernell wrote: list I have converted my wife machine to linux, as I said about 10 days. Her only complaint is no printing. I can go to internet ok, but pinging machines on the intranet is a no go. Useing Suse 8.0 pro. can not find what is not allowng samba or cups from seeing the print servers. any suggestions appreciated. cheers Can you describe your print setup? Local printers? Networked printers? I have a similar situation here (about 4 linux machines and an occasional Winders) and CUPS works fine but that's on 8.2. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 10/07/03 07:05 + ++ Love thy neighbor, but make sure her husband is away first! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sharing an inbox in kmail
On Friday 03 October 2003 23:36 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote: Tom Wilson wrote: | Hi all | | My wife and I have an e-mail address that we share for general | corresponce with friends and family. She is getting tired of | having to have me login under my username so she can see any e-mail | that she gets that I happened to download. | | Any recommendations on a method so we can share the inbox for our | shared e-mail account? [...] If you have the ability to use IMAP4 instead of POP3 this would solve the problem immediately. If not, it's multiple copies of email on multiple machines (why I went to IMAP4 instead). Or use fetchmail and procmail to make two copies of each email. And procmail could do spam filtering (spamassassin) as well as backing up each incoming email as well as other filtering. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 10/04/03 11:17 + ++ The more the pleasures of the body fade away, the greater to me is the pleasure and charm of conversation. - Plato ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Laptop suggestions
On Saturday 04 October 2003 9:18 am, Joel Hammer wrote: I need to buy a laptop in the next week for a trip. I don't think I can get a laptop loaded with linux during that time so I will likely just get an XP machine and either remove XP or dual boot it sometime down the road. So, my question, any laptop suggestions that would play well with linux? And, if so, which flavor of linux? I think I should get a wireless enabled laptop, too. Thanks, Joel I too am thinking about a laptop and you might take a look at: www.emperorlinux.com They load linux on their laptops... although you pay highly for that I suspect. But what I did was to go there and get an idea of which laptops are compatible with Linux and then will decide which one I want to go for... and unfortunately will probably get it somewhere else because of a) price, b) options, c) other stuff... But maybe their prices aren't that bad and I am sure they will customize too. I haven't gotten that far into it. They show a lot of laptops at their site (with their own names attached to them) but they also give the vendor names and model numbers. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 10/04/03 11:29 + ++ My software never has bugs. It just develops random features ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Big /proc problem
On Monday 29 September 2003 9:32 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somehow I've done some not-so-wonderous things to my RH9 installation: I have a Monsterous (348Mb) /proc/kcore file which I cannot remove or edit down. It is preventing me from using the system as it has filled the / partition to full. I can't change permissions (even as root), rm it, or vi it. Two questions - what can I do to get rid of it? and, - any idea what is the underlying cause of this file's creation and expansion? Any help will be appreciated. -- Be prepared to look embarrassed.. The kcore file is merely a map of memory and doesn't exist. In fact, all of the 'files' in /proc don't really exist but are created by the kernel to hold information about the system (only while the system is up and running). So /proc/kcore is not your problem. Something else is. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/29/03 09:40 + ++ This file will self-destruct in five minutes. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Big /proc problem
On Monday 29 September 2003 10:26 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gulp, blushing, digging toe into dirt. Oops! Returning to very shaky system to find something else monsterous. Sorry 'bout that, folks. No problem KJ1B -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/29/03 10:48 + ++ Isn't it strange? The same people who laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously. - anonymous ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Su
On Sunday 28 September 2003 16:31 pm, Ted Ozolins wrote: It seems that when I su I get the following error: -su: /etc/profile: line 87: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `' -su: /etc/profile: line 89: syntax error: unexpected end of file I've looked at /etc/profile using vi but I can not seem to see where the problem is. Ive gzip'd my profile file as an attachment here hoping that someone might be able to see what I'm obviously missing. Thsi is on a Slack 9.0 box. TIA Check line 18 -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/28/03 16:41 + ++ What happened to the first 6 ups? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Su
On Sunday 28 September 2003 17:55 pm, Ted Ozolins wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Check line 18 I must have gone over this puppy dozens of times to no avail. A classic case of forest and trees. Thank you, that was it. I use the brute-force method. (which works regardless of language) Make a copy of the file. Start hacking away from the bottom up remove 'paragraphs of stuff' and try the file. (repeat the above until the file works) Go back to the original and look at the last 'stuff' you removed to make it work. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/28/03 18:25 + ++ Some painters transform the sun into a yellow spot; others transform a yellow spot into the sun. - Pablo Picasso ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: question
On Tuesday 23 September 2003 17:30 pm, Rick Sivernell wrote: list I have a little problem here, when I download some file, binary or one to build with compile, I have to umount partition and remount. When I try to untar or run a binary, I get permission denied. I do set the proper permissions for the files in question. Any ideas will be appreciated. cheers Partition is r/o ? -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/22/03 09:01 + ++ All men are equal; it is not birth, but virtue alone, that makes the difference. - Voltaire ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: any acrobat experts here?
On Tuesday 16 September 2003 23:03 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2003 7:58 am, someone claiming to be dep wrote: greets. i've been printing from acrobat via cups. the command is lp -d LJIIIDSS. problem is, i cannot get acrobat to remember this, and i cannot find where in the damned thing the print command is stored. i do not object to cracking open just about any part of it in order to hardwire this, but i cannot for the life of me find it. anybody know? tia. Well, while we're on the subject of pdf files and printing... For some reason, I can't print a particular .pdf file and I'm puzzled as to why. Other .pdf files print fine, but not this particular one. I was able to print it at work using the Windows version of Acrobat Reader 6.0, but not at home using acrobat 5.0.5, xpdf, or ggv. If you wanna try, you can find the file here: http://www.thewunders.org/files/CFSStephen.pdf Regards, Tim Printed fine here on an HP4000. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/17/03 08:28 + ++ Silver's Law of Doctoring: It never heals correctly. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: any acrobat experts here?
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 8:34 am, Tim Wunder wrote: On 9/17/2003 8:29 AM, someone claiming to be Bruce Marshall wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2003 23:03 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2003 7:58 am, someone claiming to be dep wrote: greets. i've been printing from acrobat via cups. the command is lp -d LJIIIDSS. problem is, i cannot get acrobat to remember this, and i cannot find where in the damned thing the print command is stored. i do not object to cracking open just about any part of it in order to hardwire this, but i cannot for the life of me find it. anybody know? tia. Well, while we're on the subject of pdf files and printing... For some reason, I can't print a particular .pdf file and I'm puzzled as to why. Other .pdf files print fine, but not this particular one. I was able to print it at work using the Windows version of Acrobat Reader 6.0, but not at home using acrobat 5.0.5, xpdf, or ggv. If you wanna try, you can find the file here: http://www.thewunders.org/files/CFSStephen.pdf Regards, Tim Printed fine here on an HP4000. damn, that sucks. You using CUPS by chance? Yup, Acroread 5.0.5 with kprinter specified as the printer, into CUPS and then to the HP4000 which is a postscript printer. I've had similar problems in the past (unprintable files) and it seems to usually be due to a 'bad character' (binary zero?) in the file. The same printer would light it's 'processing' light and receive the data but would then just turn it off again with nothing happening. I have also seen the printer get screwed up where I had to turn it off and back on for a reset to get it to print. Have you tried printing it to a file and then printing the file? -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/17/03 08:40 + ++ The only difference between a rut and a grave is their size. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: any acrobat experts here?
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 8:52 am, Tim Wunder wrote: On 9/17/2003 8:44 AM, someone claiming to be Bruce Marshall wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2003 8:34 am, Tim Wunder wrote: On 9/17/2003 8:29 AM, someone claiming to be Bruce Marshall wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2003 23:03 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2003 7:58 am, someone claiming to be dep wrote: greets. i've been printing from acrobat via cups. the command is lp -d LJIIIDSS. problem is, i cannot get acrobat to remember this, and i cannot find where in the damned thing the print command is stored. i do not object to cracking open just about any part of it in order to hardwire this, but i cannot for the life of me find it. anybody know? tia. Well, while we're on the subject of pdf files and printing... For some reason, I can't print a particular .pdf file and I'm puzzled as to why. Other .pdf files print fine, but not this particular one. I was able to print it at work using the Windows version of Acrobat Reader 6.0, but not at home using acrobat 5.0.5, xpdf, or ggv. If you wanna try, you can find the file here: http://www.thewunders.org/files/CFSStephen.pdf Regards, Tim Printed fine here on an HP4000. damn, that sucks. You using CUPS by chance? Yup, Acroread 5.0.5 with kprinter specified as the printer, into CUPS and then to the HP4000 which is a postscript printer. I've had similar problems in the past (unprintable files) and it seems to usually be due to a 'bad character' (binary zero?) in the file. The same printer would light it's 'processing' light and receive the data but would then just turn it off again with nothing happening. I have also seen the printer get screwed up where I had to turn it off and back on for a reset to get it to print. Have you tried printing it to a file and then printing the file? I've tried printing it to a file, but the resulting file would be unreadable by ggv, and doesn't print. My printer is an HP960c, which is not a postscript printer. I'm using Acrobat 5.0.5 and kprinter into CUPS, just like you. Perhaps the problem lies in the conversion from PDF to PostScript. What handles that, ghostscript? the printer driver? something else? Thanks, Tim Most likely enscript -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/17/03 09:15 + ++ Capitalism without Bankruptcy is like Christianity without Hell. --Frank ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: any acrobat experts here?
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 18:33 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2003 9:15 am, someone claiming to be Bruce Marshall wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2003 8:52 am, Tim Wunder wrote: On 9/17/2003 8:44 AM, someone claiming to be Bruce Marshall wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2003 8:34 am, Tim Wunder wrote: On 9/17/2003 8:29 AM, someone claiming to be Bruce Marshall wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2003 23:03 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2003 7:58 am, someone claiming to be dep wrote: greets. i've been printing from acrobat via cups. the command is lp -d LJIIIDSS. problem is, i cannot get acrobat to remember this, and i cannot find where in the damned thing the print command is stored. i do not object to cracking open just about any part of it in order to hardwire this, but i cannot for the life of me find it. anybody know? tia. Well, while we're on the subject of pdf files and printing... For some reason, I can't print a particular .pdf file and I'm puzzled as to why. Other .pdf files print fine, but not this particular one. I was able to print it at work using the Windows version of Acrobat Reader 6.0, but not at home using acrobat 5.0.5, xpdf, or ggv. If you wanna try, you can find the file here: http://www.thewunders.org/files/CFSStephen.pdf Regards, Tim Printed fine here on an HP4000. damn, that sucks. You using CUPS by chance? Yup, Acroread 5.0.5 with kprinter specified as the printer, into CUPS and then to the HP4000 which is a postscript printer. I've had similar problems in the past (unprintable files) and it seems to usually be due to a 'bad character' (binary zero?) in the file. The same printer would light it's 'processing' light and receive the data but would then just turn it off again with nothing happening. I have also seen the printer get screwed up where I had to turn it off and back on for a reset to get it to print. Have you tried printing it to a file and then printing the file? I've tried printing it to a file, but the resulting file would be unreadable by ggv, and doesn't print. My printer is an HP960c, which is not a postscript printer. I'm using Acrobat 5.0.5 and kprinter into CUPS, just like you. Perhaps the problem lies in the conversion from PDF to PostScript. What handles that, ghostscript? the printer driver? something else? Thanks, Tim Most likely enscript Hmmm... Doesn't look like I even *have* an enscript executable... # locate enscript /usr/share/apps/kdeprint/filters/enscript.desktop /usr/share/apps/kdeprint/filters/enscript.xml /opt/kde3/share/apps/kdeprint/filters/enscript.desktop /opt/kde3/share/apps/kdeprint/filters/enscript.xml /opt/kde32/share/apps/kdeprint/filters/enscript.desktop /opt/kde32/share/apps/kdeprint/filters/enscript.xml /usr/bin/enscript /usr/bin/genscript /usr/share/doc/packages/enscript /usr/share/enscript /usr/share/zsh/4.0.6/functions/_enscript -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/17/03 18:41 + ++ Love thy neighbor, but make sure her husband is away first! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT: Here we go again ...
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 18:38 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: Wouldn't it be great if people starting saying, enuf is enuf. Maybe if people whose computers were cracked and taken over by hackers faced legal sanctions (fines, suspension of service, etc.), they would take responsibility to fix up their boxes. Now, the lazy bones (or is it brain dead?) windows users just sit and get hit like sitting ducks. I guess they expect MS to protect them, even if they do nothing to protect themselves. I guess brain dead users are just to valuable to drive off the internet. Just like Scott Adams said, stupidity is the limitless energy supply of the 21th century. Joel I agree. Wouldn't it be nice if the HSA determined that all the flaws in MS software was the real security threat that it is? My guess is that it would take a group of about 5 hackers, determined to bring the Internet to its knees, about 5 days to do so.. But they would probably find better ways to destroy us than a DOS attack. (and my estimate is probably off by at least a factor of 2) On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 10:38:44PM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20030916/D7TJP93G0.html By TED BRIDIS WASHINGTON (AP) - Security researchers on Tuesday detected hackers distributing software to break into computers using flaws announced last week in some versions of Microsoft Corp. (MSFT)'s Windows operating system. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/17/03 18:48 + ++ Never hit a man with glasses; hit him with your fist. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: any acrobat experts here?
On Tuesday 16 September 2003 10:06 am, Mike Reinehr wrote: I don't qualify as an expert, but I've identified two likely suspects on my system: /usr/local/Acrobat5/Reader/intellinux/app-defaults/AcroRead /home/cmr/.acrobat/prefs There's only one problem. AcroRead defaulted to lpr and, in the print window, I changed it to kprinter, which it now remembers. But I can not find kprinter saved in either of these two files. So, there must be at least one more file that I haven't found. I too use kprinter and acroread has remembered that. But I looked and couldn't find it either. cmr On Tuesday 16 September 2003 06:58 am, you wrote: greets. i've been printing from acrobat via cups. the command is lp -d LJIIIDSS. problem is, i cannot get acrobat to remember this, and i cannot find where in the damned thing the print command is stored. i do not object to cracking open just about any part of it in order to hardwire this, but i cannot for the life of me find it. anybody know? tia. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/16/03 10:15 + ++ If a cow laughed, would milk come out her nose? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 2.6-test5 problem
On Saturday 13 September 2003 4:02 am, Keith Antoine wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:44 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: Thanks for the tips...What I just tried (and it's working so far) is to go back to 'make mrproper' and after adding in XFS and EXT3 and making sure the cpu was set properly, I just compiled the damn thing. Lots of stuff missing but at least it is booting and I can slowly tweak it to see where it breaks. But that's progressIt may be that I missed some of the cpu options on the first go-around when I saw that it correctly set the cpu type to P4. I read somewhere in the docs etc for 2.5/2.6 that one no longer calls make mrproper or make dep. David's poop sheet says you should only run mrproper when something major has changed. I only run it once - when I set up for a new kernel release. And dep isn't used anymore. I now have the kernel running with the only problem being that I can't get the aic7xxx code to compile. This was also a problem in the 2.4.22 code. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/13/03 10:51 + ++ If you are what you eat, does that mean Euelle Gibbons really was a nut? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 2.6-test5 problem
On Saturday 13 September 2003 12:39 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On 09/13/03 07:53, Bruce Marshall wrote: I now have the kernel running with the only problem being that I can't get the aic7xxx code to compile. This was also a problem in the 2.4.22 code. huh? i've built a few 2.4.22 kernels with aic7xxx compiled in. can you elaborate on that? I suspect it has to do with using the GCC 3.3 compiler. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/13/03 13:05 + ++ I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ssh public key frustration
On Saturday 13 September 2003 12:38 pm, Net Llama! wrote: I've setup used ssh public keys many times before. All of a sudden, i can't get it to work at all. It works on the boxes where i've set it up in the past, but new ones just fail to work. The servers are all RH-7.3. I thought that all that was required was: 0) on the client box, run ssh-keygen -t dsa, hit enter at all the prompts, and i'll end up with ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub. 1) I then need to place the contents of that file on the server in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. 2) ssh to the server, and i shouldn't be prompted for a password. this isn't happening. i'm still prompted for a password. am i missing something obvious? That's all I've ever done but two things to think about: 1) It seems the filename of the auth file changes from time to time. But it probably has to do with the release of openssh. Right now in my ~/.ssh I have both an authorized_keys file and an authorized_keys2 file. 2) Edit your dsa file and look at the very end of the record. You might have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the end. You can remove the whole thing I think or at least the @hostname part. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/13/03 13:06 + ++ Your sister swims out to meet troop ships ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ssh public key frustration
On Saturday 13 September 2003 15:27 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On 09/13/03 10:09, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Saturday 13 September 2003 12:38 pm, Net Llama! wrote: I've setup used ssh public keys many times before. All of a sudden, i can't get it to work at all. It works on the boxes where i've set it up in the past, but new ones just fail to work. The servers are all RH-7.3. I thought that all that was required was: 0) on the client box, run ssh-keygen -t dsa, hit enter at all the prompts, and i'll end up with ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub. 1) I then need to place the contents of that file on the server in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. 2) ssh to the server, and i shouldn't be prompted for a password. this isn't happening. i'm still prompted for a password. am i missing something obvious? That's all I've ever done but two things to think about: 1) It seems the filename of the auth file changes from time to time. But it probably has to do with the release of openssh. Right now in my ~/.ssh I have both an authorized_keys file and an authorized_keys2 file. Tried that, no change. 2) Edit your dsa file and look at the very end of the record. You might have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the end. You can remove the whole thing I think or at least the @hostname part. Tried that too, no change. urgl How about this in your /etc/sshd_conf ? # Change to no to disable s/key passwords ChallengeResponseAuthentication no -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/13/03 15:52 + ++ Consciousness: that annoying time between naps. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ssh public key frustration
On Saturday 13 September 2003 17:40 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On 09/13/03 12:53, Bruce Marshall wrote: How about this in your /etc/sshd_conf ? # Change to no to disable s/key passwords ChallengeResponseAuthentication no Its commented out. I uncommented it, set it to yes, and restarted sshd, but there's been no improvement. Wanna try 'no' ? The above statement is what I have in my /etc/sshd_conf I don't really know what it does... but it sounds good. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/13/03 21:07 + ++ You might be a high-tech Red-neck if: you have used coat hangers and duct tape for something other than hanging coats and taping ducts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
2.6-test5 problem
Trying to load up the test5 kernel and I have it compiled, etc. Also have been reading David's blurb on 2.6 and think I have all that covered. On boot, I get an error: Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! Due to the debugging info I can't see what it was working on just prior to the complaint, but it was well into the hardware discovery phase. Anyone have a clue? Thanks. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/12/03 14:05 + ++ Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 2.6-test5 problem
On Friday 12 September 2003 18:14 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:07:22 -0400 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to load up the test5 kernel and I have it compiled, etc. Also have been reading David's blurb on 2.6 and think I have all that covered. On boot, I get an error: Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! Due to the debugging info I can't see what it was working on just prior to the complaint, but it was well into the hardware discovery phase. Anyone have a clue? Only one guess: did you compile as built-in (not module) support for your filesystem? If that's not it, post your .config here so that we can eyeball it. Good thought but I did build in XFS support and I think this is a different kind of error. (attempted to kill init) Other possibilities: smp support and acpm or framebuffer? I don't use any of these, but I hear trouble reports. Will look at those... I did have test2 running at one time so maybe this isn't too tough to fix. Or, no support for your specific chipset? Also, how did you go about generating your .config? Did a make mrproper and started from the test5 .config I've been using 2.6 for months now, and -test5 for several days, with no problems. Will keep plugging at it. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/12/03 19:51 + ++ Shell to DOS...Come in DOS, do you copy? Shell to DOS... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 2.6-test5 problem
On Friday 12 September 2003 20:33 pm, Jerry McBride wrote: On Friday 12 September 2003 08:12 pm, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Friday 12 September 2003 18:14 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:07:22 -0400 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to load up the test5 kernel and I have it compiled, etc. Also have been reading David's blurb on 2.6 and think I have all that covered. On boot, I get an error: Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! Due to the debugging info I can't see what it was working on just prior to the complaint, but it was well into the hardware discovery phase. Try passing init=/bin/sh during kernel startup. Also, is it possible that you may have tweaked or passed odd/extreme compiler options when making the kernel? One other thought maybe you need to update /sbin/init? Thanks for the tips...What I just tried (and it's working so far) is to go back to 'make mrproper' and after adding in XFS and EXT3 and making sure the cpu was set properly, I just compiled the damn thing. Lots of stuff missing but at least it is booting and I can slowly tweak it to see where it breaks. But that's progressIt may be that I missed some of the cpu options on the first go-around when I saw that it correctly set the cpu type to P4. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/12/03 20:41 + ++ It is impossible to make anything foolproof, because fools are so ingenious - anonymous ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: net radio
On Thursday 11 September 2003 16:30 pm, Ken Moffat wrote: Bill Davidson wrote: On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone found good sources of internet radio that work in mozilla? Many that I have tried use a url including playlist=... which opens to a blank window. http://www.shoutcast.com Bill I used shoutcast for a while, but quit for some time, and having tried it recently, it seems the links (those 'Tune In!' buttons) don't work. They open a blank window, and the status bar says done. Worked fine today under Konqueror.. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/11/03 20:48 + ++ Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: suse 8.0 pro
On Saturday 06 September 2003 14:07 pm, Richard Sivernell wrote: list I have installed the Pro 8.0 version of Sue on a ide hd. on system boot I get l 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 02 ... How do I fix this, I assume lilo is screwd somehow. any suggestions are appreciated. I have trie to install new several times. cheers LILO is having a problem... probably can't find the kernel or such. Can you boot from the 'rescue' system (on the CD or DVD) and run LILO?? 1) Boot from the DVD 2) Mount the root partition at /mnt 3) chroot /mnt 4) Mount the /boot partition at /boot 5) Check out your /etc/lilo.conf (actually SuSE now uses grub unless you tell it differently so maybe lilo is from an old install of something and grub didn't get installed?) 6) If everything looks ok, run lilo. If it doesn't look ok, you may have installed grub and you need to check that out. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/06/03 15:30 + ++ Two can live as cheaply as one, for half as long. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: suse 8.0 pro
On Saturday 06 September 2003 14:35 pm, Richard Sivernell wrote: It is a Suse 8.0 Pro, I wanted to use grub, but if I did I would be on my own, as per cd install. I will do as you suggest and get back with you. many thanks here Be on your own?? Gee, I thought you had lots of friends here... :-) (not all of them like SuSE tho... :-) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/06/03 16:41 + ++ Whatever you say about pornography, sex is here to stray. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: suse 8.0 pro
On Saturday 06 September 2003 16:00 pm, Bill Campbell wrote: I would strongly recommend updating to SuSE 8.2 Pro. There have been many improvements in yast2, and SuSE has been very responsive to feedback from their users so 8.2 is a much better product than 8.0. I agree and disagree although 8.2 is one hellava good release (I use it here), I ran 8.0 for about a year with no problems. If that's what he has, it should work well. But I always upgrade... (and 8.1 went into the trash very quickly) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/06/03 16:44 + ++ You might be a high-tech Red-neck if: you know the direction the water swirls when you flush ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kwrite is taking over my desktop
On Wednesday 03 September 2003 10:33 am, bof wrote: Myles Green wrote: I haven't used KDE in quite a while now but: You might try moving or renaming your ~/.kde directory and then, after re-login copying over your previous config files from your moved/renamed ~/.kde to the newly created directory. Copy one file at a time if you want to see which file is the offender I forgot to mention that this problem is occuring under both RH 7.3 and RH 9.0. BOF Sounds like you have icons in your 'autostart' for your desktop. They don't get in there automatically... :-) Look in ~/Desktop/Autostart (although it's been a long time since I've played with this stuff.) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/03/03 10:54 + ++ That must be wonderful! I dont understand it at all. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kwrite is taking over my desktop
On Wednesday 03 September 2003 10:33 am, bof wrote: Myles Green wrote: I haven't used KDE in quite a while now but: You might try moving or renaming your ~/.kde directory and then, after re-login copying over your previous config files from your moved/renamed ~/.kde to the newly created directory. Copy one file at a time if you want to see which file is the offender I forgot to mention that this problem is occuring under both RH 7.3 and RH 9.0. BOF Addition: There also should be an 'Autostart' icon on your desktop. Click on it to see what's in there. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/03/03 10:56 + ++ Law of Revelation: The hidden flaw never remains hidden. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Duplicate Posts
On Tuesday 02 September 2003 11:31 am, Mike Reinehr wrote: Has anyone else received a duplicate of my recent post to the Redhat 9.0 /usr/src/linux-2.4.x won't compile thread? I just received a second copy from the list server, myself. I've noticed this occasionally in the past, but, according to my sent-mail file, I only made this post once. I'm curious as to why this is happening. Especially, as to whether something is mis-configured on my end. I got duplicates of your msg and about two others Happens from time to time. Thanks, cmr -- Debian 'Sarge': Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/02/03 11:57 + ++ Always borrow from a pessimist-- he never expects it back. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTTrip to Maine
On Tuesday 12 August 2003 21:08 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: C'est moi. Actually, the picture was badly composed. I should have piled up all three of the lobsters that I ate. Yes, this was excessive, but, c'est la vie. Joel Think I have you beat On a three week trip to Martha's Vineyard and Maine (all the way to Eastport), I destroyed 26.5 lobsters. Ashamed to say it. However, it seems the lobster crop is doing quite well up there. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 08/25/03 10:53 + ++ When I'm good I'm very, very good, but when I'm bad I'm better. - Mae West ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
2.6.0 kernel compile doc
Just a couple of comments for David: I hope you again cover the virtual console issue. I followed what you wrote about enabling a virtual terminal and still didn't get any boot lines... I was able to get the dmesg output after the fact and the boot went ok anyway. But I'll be damned if I know how to get the same ol' same ol' boot stuff... And I know I have to upgrade some of the packages, in particular whatever loads those funky .ko modules But I really haven't had time to look into it yet. But the kernel ran fine for the most part... TIA for documenting some of this stuff. It will be appreciated. -- ++ ++ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 2.6.0 kernel compile doc
On Saturday 26 July 2003 12:55 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On 07/26/03 09:48, Bruce Marshall wrote: Just a couple of comments for David: I hope you again cover the virtual console issue. I followed what you wrote about enabling a virtual terminal and still didn't get any boot lines... I was able to get the dmesg output after the fact and the boot went ok anyway. But I'll be damned if I know how to get the same ol' same ol' boot stuff... And I know I have to upgrade some of the packages, in particular whatever loads those funky .ko modules But I really haven't had time to look into it yet. But the kernel ran fine for the most part... If this is a box that had a 2.4.x kernel on it, you should be able to grab a special modutils that will handle this stuff. I'm fairly certain that normal insmod or modprobe will load the .ko modules just like any other. I've got the latest modutils (2.4.25) but 'no loady' modules. -- ++ ++ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake or Slackware
On Thursday 24 July 2003 16:04 pm, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Folks, If you had to choose, with only a couple hours to decide, between Slackware and Mandrake for a laptop install, which would you choose? I don't know either of them well enough to make a logical decision, but I'm in the position of needing to make that decision. SuSe Any insights from the list would be appreciated. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/24/03 16:19 + ++ When choosing between two evils, always try the one you have never tried before. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: So do I need to start learning SuSE?
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 6:37 am, Keith Antoine wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2003 11:41 am, Bill Campbell wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:00:35AM -0400, Net Llama! wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Matthew Carpenter wrote: I'm not quite sure I follow the logic in the last sentence. But I would tell How so? Michael to learn SuSE. It's a breath of fresh air over RH and MDK. It pleases even an old COL-er Me too! That's not been my experience. My use of SuSE has been nothing but frustration. It looks like they hacked up the distro just enough to make it different confusing. But, have fun if you like it. That's largely changed with SuSE 8.x. No longer does it depend on a monster, monolithic configuration file (e.g. you can manually edit configuration files and they stay changed after running yast2). Not so AFAIAC its still a dog. I agree with Matt... but let's not start the 'OS wars'. I am able to edit any damn config files I want (I think I've been using the same httpd.conf for the last 4 releases and all SuSE ever does about it is to tell me that 'you've modified httpd.conf and you'll find my file in /path/httpd.conf.SuSE. It doesn't touch anything that's been modified. zinger alert I've never met a RH release that I liked. (and there have been about 3 different ones.) /zinger alert) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/22/03 16:44 + ++ I just got skylights put in my place. The people who live above me are furious. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: compiler question
On Monday 21 July 2003 10:56 am, Tony Alfrey wrote: I see that more and more stuff will require gcc 3.3 and I've been running gcc 2.95.2. So can someone tell me what potential problems I might have if I install 3.3. Specifically a) will 3.3 prevent me from now making small changes in my 2.4.4 kernel previously compiled with 2.95.2? One gotcha... The 3.3 compiler has some stricter rules on strings and will not compile anything under kernel 2.4.21 I believe although the problems are few and could be patched I suppose. The older kernels have strings that don't fit the new rules. b) Will I need some special tools to go with 3.3 (I'll of course read the read me about things I'll need for 3.3) c) Is there some clever way that I might switch between 2.95.2 and 3.3? gcc at the command line presumably knows only my most recent compiler. General suggestions about switching would be appreciated. Thanks! -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/21/03 11:05 + ++ Losing your driver's license is just God's way of saying BOOGA, BOOGA! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: compiler question
On Monday 21 July 2003 12:13 pm, Tony Alfrey wrote: On Monday 21 July 2003 08:32 am, Jerry McBride wrote: My reply is mixed within your original text... On Monday 21 July 2003 10:56 am, Tony Alfrey wrote: I see that more and more stuff will require gcc 3.3 and I've been running gcc 2.95.2. So can someone tell me what potential problems I might have if I install 3.3. Specifically a) will 3.3 prevent me from now making small changes in my 2.4.4 kernel previously compiled with 2.95.2? You mean on the source code level and then recompiling it with gcc 3.3? No problems... Any remarks from anyone about Bruce's comment on kernels lower than 2.4.21 not compiling with 3.3?? I'm running SuSE 8.2 which has gcc-3.3 installed. It is supplied with a 2.4.20 kernel, but heavily patched. I downloaded a vanilla 2.4.20 kernel to roll my own and it wouldn't compile due to the string problems. That's how I discovered it. The 2.4.21 kernel compiles fine. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/21/03 12:18 + ++ One should never make one's debut in a scandal. One should reserve that to give interest to one's old age. - Oscar Wilde ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: DSL Gotcha
On Sunday 20 July 2003 0:03 am, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Michael Hipp: Kurt Wall wrote: Hey, list, I learned something interesting about DSL today. I was having lots or intermittency problems with my DSL connection. A call to tech support later, and it was fixed. Immediately. The solution: make the RJ11 cable from the wall jack to the modem as short as possible. The Ethernet cable can be as long as the protocol supports, but the RJ11 cable needs to be very short, or the connection will be unstable. I've never seen that problem, but it is no doubt due to the RJ11 cable being untwisted. The uniform twisting of cat5 and even good old telephone house wire gives it an inherent ability to reject noise. Has to do with how the e-m fields cut through both conductors identically. This is good information. I had no idea, but this is the sort of thing that, lacking a proper engineering education, is indistinguishable from magic. Thanks! And it's a good trick to remember for the future. On its way to the SxS tips... Kurt I might add that I'm currently using (at least) a 25 foot phone cord for DSL at my wife's house. (now sold) Goes from one bedroom, through a closet, into another bedroom and around the wall... etc. Has worked just fine from day 1 of DSL install. I would guess that your cord is picking up some interference from somewhere and that mine is not. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/20/03 10:31 + ++ I am having an out of money experience. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Redhat releases unofficial 2.60-test kernel RPMs
On Saturday 19 July 2003 18:57 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: On Saturday 19 July 2003 01:03 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 07/19/03 11:22, Keith Antoine wrote: On Friday 18 July 2003 07:17 pm, Net Llama! wrote: These are for RH9 Rawhide: http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/ I've not tested them, but plan to. Wonder whether they will work on mandrakeor have they forked too much. They'd prolly work in so much as you can boot with them, but whether they work well is another story. You've got little to loose by trying though, as long as you keep a known good kernel. But, Keith, you alreay knew that part, you taught it to me a few years ago :) I am trying to remember with rpm and kernels whether it overwrites the old or just installs the new one seperately. actually I am still tossing up about doing my own compile as I still do not trust rpm's. I compiled my own 2.6 kernel from kernel.org and had a lot of compile errors. Finally got the options right where it would compile. But when I booted... one new 'feechur' seems to be that the running messages of all the things it is doing during boot no longer is standard.. it just said it was booting and that was that. It finally hung somewhere in the process and I haven't taken the time to figure out how to get to the dmesg (or whatever) list of messages to see what it had a problem with. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/19/03 10:56 + ++ Friction is a drag. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ALSA weirdness with 2.6.0
On Tuesday 15 July 2003 13:25 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: I just compiled 2.6.0 and everything works but sound. I configured the included ALSA to use my SBLive! and when I rebooted, it errored saying 'snd-crd-0: no such module' . I thought no shit, this is a monolithic kernel' . Why is it looking for a module? Why wasn't it built? Why does it work when I build the same kernel but go back to OSS instead of ALSA? I thought alsa was always a set of modules... In any event... .94 of Alsa changed the setup of the modules.conf in /etc. Not sure if that is your problem but it would be worth a look. There is a utility in alsa-driver-0.9.4/utils called module-options that will make the changes to your modules.conf and make a modules.conf.new -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/15/03 14:30 + ++ Now and then an innocent man is sent to the Legislature. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Adding forgotten kernel module without complete recompile
On Sunday 13 July 2003 12:04 pm, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: On Friday 11 July 2003 17:39 pm, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Net Llama! wrote: On 07/11/03 14:11, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: ... the subject tells it all. Now the module in question wasn't really forgotten, I didn't need it on my last recompile, but now I do: I have a very nice new device, a Mambo USB Music Drive which is a mp3 player and a 128 MB USB storage in one, as small as a lighter. It should hotplug in Linux as well as it does in Windows, so I need usb-storage.o which I had disabled on my last full kernel compile. How could I get usb-storage working (on a stock 2.4.21 kernel) without the whole recompile story which I really don't want to go through? This should be possible, and I faintly remember to have done something like that before ... All the other necessary usb stuff is already there. Assuming that usb-storage doesn't make changes to the kernel itself, i think you just need to do another kernel build, but skip the 'make bzImage' step. I'd like to avoid that, because after the kernel compile I had added some third party modules (ALSA, NVIDIA kernel driver) which I wouldn't like to do again just to get another single standard kernel module. I think there was a trick to post compile a specific module, perhaps some tweaking of /drivers/usb/Makefile - I don't remember it. Klaus It would be my guess that if you have compiled a kernel with the option of 'no usb-storage' then there would be no 'hook' in the kernel for any USB-storage module to be called from. Don't think it is possible just to compile the module and have it used. I gave up and took the long road, did a complete kernel recompile, made ALSA and Nvidia too, and I am very happy with my USB stick/player. It hotplugs nicely, and to load a mp3 file I just drop it with konqueror. But I still can't believe that it's not possible to compile a single specific kernel module. You can do it with foreign modules (cf. the ALSA driver), why shouldn't it be possible with the kernel's own ones? Klaus The kernel needs to know that something exists before it can use it. If a) the kernel has been told to NOT use a particular feature, or b) the kernel doesn't know such a module exits, then it can't possibly use the module. Supposing there is a device I just invented called a Belchfire 90 mob-ulator... and I write a module for it. How could the kernel possibly use my module? It wouldn't know when to call it... Same thing goes for a new USB device that hasn't been defined to the USB modules. If the ALSA modules can be compiled and supplied out of the blue... then either they don't rely on the kernel or the kernel has been told about them. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/13/03 12:39 + ++ Marriage is a great institution, but I'm not ready for an institution yet. - Mae West. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Adding forgotten kernel module without complete recompile
On Sunday 13 July 2003 14:09 pm, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Supposing there is a device I just invented called a Belchfire 90 mob-ulator... and I write a module for it. How could the kernel possibly use my module? It wouldn't know when to call it... Same thing goes for a new USB device that hasn't been defined to the USB modules. If the ALSA modules can be compiled and supplied out of the blue... then either they don't rely on the kernel or the kernel has been told about them. Telling the kernel about foreign modules, isn't that the job of the alias lines in modules.conf? There I have: .. alias snd-card-0 snd-ice1712 .. alias char-major-195 nvidia among many others, the right-hand side always pointing to a file in /lib/modules/2.4.21/kernel/ Klaus Not in my not-so-expert opinion. The purpose of the alias statements are to tell the kernel that instead of looking for module xyz that it would normally look for, instead look for module qrs. Just an alias for a module that was already being looked for. But if the kernel didn't know to look for xyz... the statement would have no effect. In your first alias above... (snd-card-0), the kernel may get a request to call the sound card module (snd-card-0) which really is just a pseudo-name for any of a dozen or more modules that handle various sound cards, and the alias above is going to get the right card module for YOUR system called. My alias for the same snd-card-0 looks like: alias snd-card-0 snd-ens1371 (We have different sound cards) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/13/03 14:30 + ++ College isn't the place to go for ideas. - Hellen Keller ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Zaire still won't connect
On Sunday 13 July 2003 21:31 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 05:18:49PM -0700, Net Llama! wrote: On 07/13/03 17:00, Joel Hammer wrote: Koffice hasn't gone anywhere. Whether it sux is another story, but you seem to be confusing staying power with usefulness. Koffice is still being developed, I guess, but who uses it? Who would suggest it is a useful piece of software? This despite the fact that the koffice people, at least a year ago, were hyping koffice has a great piece of useful software. You confuse Star Office with Open Office in the same way that you confuse Netscape with Mozilla. They started in the same place, but finish with OK. Get technical. The fact is, no consortium of volunteers created open office. Same for mozilla. Both were gifts from profit making corporations. Maybe when corel goes bankrupt (If they haven't already) they'll give wordperfect and quattro pro to the opensource movement. That's my only hope for a really great office suite in linux. Linus notes quite often, Linux wasn't created, nor is it actively developed as a competitor to M$. Yes. I supose he'll say that if linux doesn't catch on with the desktop. If it does catch on, I am sure the tune will be different. MS certainly seems to think linux is a desktop threat. However, its really all a moot point. You're basing your entire series of rants on _one_ incredibly crappy excuse for a Linux distro, Lindows. Lindows doesn't even market itself to businesses. How about trying a distro who targets the business sector, and then forming some opinions? I went with a distro that was easy to use. Lindows is making the maximum effort to make linux as easy as windows. If they can't do it, perhaps nobody can. And, you cannot beat a $200 lindows computer. They actually works. Heck, it runs XP, too. And finally, if you're so utterly dissatisfied with Linux, why are you using it? Its readily apparent that you're frustrated miserable, yet you don't appear to be making any effort to improve or fix the things that Well, I am no a C programmer, so I can't really fix anything serious. I do contribute when possible. I have actually writen two steps, quite good if I don't say so myself. And, I am active on other linux type lists, helping newcomers find their way. However, I am going to be using windows more and linux less in the future, but only because linux has just failed to live up to its promise on the desktop. Joel rant on Joel: You've been through all this before. (and so has the list). You went off in a huff, said you were through with Linux, you went back to Windows (I assume but could care less). Why don't you make up your mind?? Every time I read one of your posts, you are off on another goose-chase, trying to make a program xyz do its thing the way you want it to. And I think to myself this guy has too much time on his hands and too little knowledge to be going to all these lengths. But it's your time so go blow it if you want. But you take up a lot of bandwidth on the list and I guess if people want to help, that's their call. I'm not the owner of the bandwidth. But I've heard this song before from you and I expect you'll be back. Hopefully with more realistic ideas of what Linux is or isn't and how you can make it work for you. /rant off -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/13/03 21:38 + ++ Life is a sexually transmitted disease ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Adding forgotten kernel module without complete recompile
On Friday 11 July 2003 17:39 pm, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Net Llama! wrote: On 07/11/03 14:11, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: ... the subject tells it all. Now the module in question wasn't really forgotten, I didn't need it on my last recompile, but now I do: I have a very nice new device, a Mambo USB Music Drive which is a mp3 player and a 128 MB USB storage in one, as small as a lighter. It should hotplug in Linux as well as it does in Windows, so I need usb-storage.o which I had disabled on my last full kernel compile. How could I get usb-storage working (on a stock 2.4.21 kernel) without the whole recompile story which I really don't want to go through? This should be possible, and I faintly remember to have done something like that before ... All the other necessary usb stuff is already there. Assuming that usb-storage doesn't make changes to the kernel itself, i think you just need to do another kernel build, but skip the 'make bzImage' step. I'd like to avoid that, because after the kernel compile I had added some third party modules (ALSA, NVIDIA kernel driver) which I wouldn't like to do again just to get another single standard kernel module. I think there was a trick to post compile a specific module, perhaps some tweaking of /drivers/usb/Makefile - I don't remember it. Klaus It would be my guess that if you have compiled a kernel with the option of 'no usb-storage' then there would be no 'hook' in the kernel for any USB-storage module to be called from. Don't think it is possible just to compile the module and have it used. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/11/03 18:47 + ++ The two hardest things to handle in life are failure and success. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: pppd with laptop and cellphone
On Monday 07 July 2003 15:23, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Bruce Marshall: I'm used to using pppd for connecting to the internet... and now I would like to use a Nextel phone connected to the serial port of the laptop. My problem is getting pppd started without the normal chat script and having chat dial the phone. pppd should just wait for data coming in and then start it's normal auth procedures. Demand dialing, then? Is anyone out there doing this type of lashup? (or doing manual dialup with an external modem. I assume that would be the same situation) Is it a digital phone, though? If so, a modem makes no sense. I certainly can't help in this regard. I'm not condemned to 57.6 access anymore, praise de Lawd. Kurt The Nextel phone has a 'connecting cable' that has a 9-pin serial connector on the laptop side of it. So I am assuming that the Nextel phone is going to be passing digital data (it should) in the same fashion that an external modem would. I am also assuming (lot of assuming going on) that dialing the ISP from the Nextel phone would be the same as: laptop Ext. modem --- telephone and then dialing the phone manually. The connecting cable didn't come with any info of any kind so I don't know whether the Nextel phone will take AT dialing commands or not. Would be nice since then it would be very straightforward Guess I need to google on that. But a quick test with minicom hasn't shown me any response to any AT commands. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mozilla 1.4 Killed my Bookmarks File
On Thursday 03 July 2003 21:55 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: This is fscking ridiculous - after I started Mozilla 1.4, it wiped out my existing bookmarks! If I hadn't had backup copy, I would be pissed off in the extreme. One more little surprise like this, and I'm wiping 1.4 off my machine and going back to something that behaves nicely. Right now, 1.4 is looking exceedingly bletcherous. K Hmm doesn't sound like the 1.4a that I've been running for 3 months Never had it wipe out anything -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/03/03 22:38 + ++ Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Blame [OT]
On Thursday 03 July 2003 22:42 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:32:14 -0700 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who died and voted you list bully? On 07/01/03 16:21, ronnie gauthier wrote: Vern, I can call you Vern, Can't I? Good. Vern, listen. Grab a beer and I'll spell it out for you. Off topic and other such stuff is as common as notes in a third grade class. Most of us wouldnt have it any other way. On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:23:49 -0700 - Vern W Heesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: Blame [OT] Am I the only one that finds a whole bunch of these non-linux related emails inmy inbox annoying? This one is a keeper for my pot-kettle-black file. I've heard that even mentioning gentoo is enough to bring on protests Is that true??? g,d,r -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/03/03 22:43 + ++ What you get is a living; what you give is a life. - Lilian Gish, American actress ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Custom Printing
On Tuesday 01 July 2003 0:13 am, Shawn Tayler wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:40:55 -0700 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: - . - -. . . . . - . - .. . -. - . . - . ...- . - Yes are al deek? Yes a real deek -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/01/03 05:38 + ++ Time is nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Geeks, was Re: Custom Printing
On Tuesday 01 July 2003 10:49 am, David A. Bandel wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:05:59 -0400 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 30 June 2003 18:20 pm, David A. Bandel wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:52:54 -0400 [snip] 2650? mhz? Don't even have that on my freq-cheat-sheet.. um, no -- Khz (2.650MHz), I usually work in kHz or GHz. Ok no legit ham frequencies near that. US anyway. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/01/03 11:47 + ++ You might be a high-tech Red-neck if: you are convinced you can build a phazer out of your garage door opener and your camera's flash attachment ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Linux backup survey
I wonder if I could talk any of you folks into going to: http://www.cds-inc.com/vote/linux.html and taking the 5-question survey on linux backup. BackAgain II is a very nice backup program (many types of devices and also network backups), and easy to use. It originally was written for OS/2 and then was ported to Windows. They have been thinking of a Linux port for awhile and they have the above survey to find out how people use linux and whether they would use such a backup program. Worth the minute it would take for the survey. Thanks. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/01/03 13:37 + ++ Then there was the Formosan bartender named Taiwan-On. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Webnazis R Us
On Tuesday 01 July 2003 14:52 pm, David A. Bandel wrote: Spam is a byproduct of stupidity and laziness. Some stupid/lazy companies include Norton. I get spam from them regularly about how they can help keep my Windoze systems virus free (didn't know X windows had viruses). Hmmm... I always thought it wasn't Norton doing the spamming but someone who was selling pirated copies of Norton... but I haven't really paid a lot of attention to who was sending the offers. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/01/03 15:37 + ++ Actors will happen in the best-regulated families. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Custom Printing
On Sunday 29 June 2003 23:44 pm, Shawn Tayler wrote: Hi Guys, I have a need to be able to print some text onto the back of a 4x6in post card. Some of the text would be predefined, kind of a form with data being added from perhaps another application or a text file of sorts. Anyway I'd like to be able to define the area on the back of the card, say a 2-1/4x3-1/4in portion. Would anyone have a recommendation on where to start looking? I have a basic knowledge of lprng but I am thinking perhaps a ghostscript type app? Suggestions? Shawn I would not look to lprng to do this... it pretty much takes what you give it and will print to many printers I do something similar to this: 1) I run an app that creates a 'flat' text file of many backs (and fronts) of postcards. 2) I run a Rexx program (how's your Rexx from OS/2, eh? g) that takes the flat file and turns it into two files of fronts and backs, 4-up with appropriate printer controls. (PCL6) Do you need to print a bunch of cards? a few? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/30/03 07:53 + ++ Live and scratch -- when you're dead, the itching will stop. -- Russian proverb ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Custom Printing
On Monday 30 June 2003 9:23 am, Shawn Tayler wrote: Just a few, they are QSL cards, I am a Ham Radio operator along with other questionable traits 8-). I am trying to make an app that will grab a log entry, place the info into the form, print that on the back of the card, then pulling the callsign from the log entry, using qrz.com or their CDROM, get the mailing address and print an envelope. SHawn Yes, I have that affliction also... (KJ1B) Pilot too... (am I a geek or what?) Sounds like a good app for a perl program. Take in all the info and spit out a file for each QSL card. On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:57:22 -0400 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: On Sunday 29 June 2003 23:44 pm, Shawn Tayler wrote: Hi Guys, I have a need to be able to print some text onto the back of a 4x6in post card. Some of the text would be predefined, kind of a form with data being added from perhaps another application or a text file of sorts. Anyway I'd like to be able to define the area on the back of the card, say a 2-1/4x3-1/4in portion. Would anyone have a recommendation on where to start looking? I have a basic knowledge of lprng but I am thinking perhaps a ghostscript type app? Suggestions? Shawn I would not look to lprng to do this... it pretty much takes what you give it and will print to many printers I do something similar to this: 1) I run an app that creates a 'flat' text file of many backs (and fronts) of postcards. 2) I run a Rexx program (how's your Rexx from OS/2, eh? g) that takes the flat file and turns it into two files of fronts and backs, 4-up with appropriate printer controls. (PCL6) Do you need to print a bunch of cards? a few? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- +--- - ++ Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/30/03 07:53 + +--- - +Live and scratch -- when you're dead, the itching will stop. -- Russian proverb ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/30/03 09:40 + ++ We hold these truths to be self evident: all men could be cremated equal. - Vern Parlow ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Geeks, was Re: Custom Printing
On Monday 30 June 2003 13:53 pm, David A. Bandel wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:41:42 -0400 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 30 June 2003 9:23 am, Shawn Tayler wrote: Just a few, they are QSL cards, I am a Ham Radio operator along with other questionable traits 8-). I am trying to make an app that will grab a log entry, place the info into the form, print that on the back of the card, then pulling the callsign from the log entry, using qrz.com or their CDROM, get the mailing address and print an envelope. SHawn Yes, I have that affliction also... (KJ1B) Pilot too... (am I a geek or what?) Sounds like a good app for a perl program. Take in all the info and spit out a file for each QSL card. Are all geeks pilots? Gotta get my many-motors one day -- difficult here in Panama, though. Tough enough finding a bird to fly (forget staying IFR current). I'm pretty much in the same boat. Live in the boonies of northern Michigan and there aren't many rental places around nor people who would like to form a partnership. Can't really justify owning outright (but as someone always told me, how do you justify an ulcer? The joy of flying could prevent one... grin While I'm not a HAM, guess I should be (got the knowledge, but my code is _real_ rusty). I run two SailMail stations here (HF e-mail for boaters). I'm branching out to more than boaters -- just bought SSBMail.net (no page yet, though). Thought I'd see if there's any interest among the folks in the bush. Ya know that you don't really need much in the way of code these days? -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/30/03 14:45 + ++ Douglas Adams: In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Custom Printing
On Monday 30 June 2003 18:14 pm, Tony Alfrey wrote: On Monday 30 June 2003 10:55 am, David A. Bandel wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:40:55 -0700 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 30 June 2003 06:41 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: snip Yes, I have that affliction also... (KJ1B) Pilot too... (am I a geek or what?) snip - . - -. . . . . - . - .. . -. - . . - . ...- . - you forgot the comma after yes You're absolutely right; it's because I'm not a big enough geek to remember code for comma ;-) Didn't you mis-spell geek? (deek) (if I'm wrong on that I'm going to chop off my right hand) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/30/03 20:59 + ++ Everyone complains of his memory, no one of his judgment. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Geeks, was Re: Custom Printing
On Monday 30 June 2003 18:52 pm, Michael Hipp wrote: David A. Bandel wrote: Non-pilots just don't understand how relaxing flying is. I never found flying relaxing. Challenging, thrilling, exhilarating, rewarding but not relaxing. Flying: Hours of boredom separated by moments of terror. That Bonanza V-Tail was a great bird. Really miss her sometimes. Flew one for a good many hours wore the engine out and then switched to a Debonair. Liked them both. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/30/03 21:06 + ++ You might be a high-tech Red-neck if: you truly believe aliens are living among us ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Geeks, was Re: Custom Printing
On Monday 30 June 2003 18:20 pm, David A. Bandel wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:52:54 -0400 While I'm not a HAM, guess I should be (got the knowledge, but my code is _real_ rusty). I run two SailMail stations here (HF e-mail for boaters). I'm branching out to more than boaters -- just bought SSBMail.net (no page yet, though). Thought I'd see if there's any interest among the folks in the bush. Ya know that you don't really need much in the way of code these days? I know the Tech you can get w/o code, but the General and Extra require it. If I bothered, I'd go for at least General if not Extra. Antennas, I know, circuits I understand, freqs, power, all that is simple stuff (OK, it's not but it seems like it to me). The only parts I have to look up are regs and legal freqs for each license. I know the reason I don't get much traffic on 2650 is because Techs can't use it (maybe only Extra class, have to look it up). 2650? mhz? Don't even have that on my freq-cheat-sheet.. Actually, my biggest problem is I don't even know if the US Amateur test is administered in Panama. I doubt it. So I'd have to wait for sometime when I have time and am in the states. Now days the tests are given by volunteer examiners (other hams) so I'll bet you could find someone giving the test. Some other US ham... -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/30/03 21:02 + ++ The first condition of immortality is death. - Stanislaw Lec ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Odd FTP Problems
On Wednesday 18 June 2003 18:01, Jason Joines wrote: I inherited (old admin left, boss said this is yours) a RH 6.2 server that runs a web application via apache and mysql. It generates a link that points to an ftp URL to retrieve spreadsheets. The URL is something like ftp://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/filename.xls. I had put up an ipchains firewall on the box and opened port 21, expecting that I might also have to open port 20. I tested by retrieving a file via ftp from the command line on my SuSE desktop system. Then I got reports that the users couldn't retrieve the files. The logs showed rejections from the user's machines to a variety of arbitrary high tcp ports. The were not replies but initiated connections as I have allowed replies via: $ipchains -A input -s $anyhost -d $thishost 1024:65535 -p tcp -i eth0 ! -y -j ACCEPT The users have IE x.x on win2k. I had one of them try to retrieve a file via the win2k command line and that worked just fine. So, I tried Mozilla 1.4rc1 on my SuSE box. Then I had the same problem as the users and the log showed rejections from my box to arbitrary high tcp ports on the server. It looks like the ftp in the browser's is doing something odd. The server is running wu-ftpd 2.60. I'm no ftp expert but I do know that once a connection is made for passing data (i.e. once a GET is issued) that the connection will be on an 'arbitrary high port'. I would also guess there is something wrong with the way your ipchains wall is set up because this should not be a problem to a properly set up wall. (read: at least it was never a problem for me when I used to run ipchains and I was a linux newbie at the time). I am not sure if ftp sets up on outgoing connection on that high port first, in which case the firewall would know that the incoming is good stuff.. but that's probably the way it works. You should *not* have to open all the high ports. Any ideas? Thanks, Jason Joines === ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SuSE upgrade
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 8:07 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:55:09 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Roger Oberholtzer's quote: | I have an SuSE 7.1 distro, which I am not using. It was bought for | testing various distros but is not currently installed anywhere. I | am looking to try SuSE 8.2. If I buy an upgrade, will it only | install on an existing 7.1, or will it only ask for a CD to check | that this is an upgrade? I don't seem to find info on this on | SuSE's site. They just say upgrades are available. But not what | the install requirements are for this. Any ideas? unless something has changed drastically with 8.2, the upgrade is identical to the full distribution, and the upgrade price is more a repeat customer reward than anything else. So it is up to the reseller to enforce that it is an upgrade? Seems the one I am using does not bother... The only difference with the upgrade is that it does not include any of the manuals. I don't think SuSE cares whether you already own a copy of a prev. release or not. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/17/03 10:28 + ++ Yesterday, my eyeglass prescription ran out. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bootable Redhat based CD?
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 12:17 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Bruce Marshall wrote: Just a thought but have you looked at Bernard's bootable linux on freshmeat? freshmeat.net/projects/bblcd/?topic_id=147%2C866 It has all you need to build a bootable CD from your currently running distro. I did this once on an SuSE distro and it worked pretty well. I think it needs the minix fs though but that's pretty easy to add to the kernel. This is working out perfectly, thanks so much. You're quite welcome ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/17/03 12:25 + ++ You might be a high-tech Red-neck if: your spouse sends you an e-mail instead of calling you to dinner ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux 2.4.21
On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:13 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/14/03 07:07, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 9:17 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/13/03 22:53, Kurt Wall wrote: Yup, as the Llama informed us, 2.4.21 has been released. Unfortunately, the XFS patch set for 2.4.21 doesn´t apply cleanly (here), so I´ll have to wait until SGI gets a clean patch out. :-( Yea, me too. Plus i'm wondering if the acpi patch for 2.4.21-rc3 will apply, as there's nothing released beyond that yet. I´d love to see XFS get into 2.4.x. You me both, but i don't know if that will ever happen. Wouldn't this be the right patch? Put up yesterday afternoon... ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/download/Release-1.3/kernel_patches yup, thanks! Although i don't understand why its not in here: ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/download/patches/2.4.21 Hmmm getting an error in compiling the kernel make -C xfs fastdep no such file or directory whereas make -C vfat fastdep worked fine. Maybe it's not cooked yet. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/14/03 10:35 + ++ Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux 2.4.21
On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:43 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/14/03 07:36, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:13 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/14/03 07:07, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 9:17 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/13/03 22:53, Kurt Wall wrote: Yup, as the Llama informed us, 2.4.21 has been released. Unfortunately, the XFS patch set for 2.4.21 doesn´t apply cleanly (here), so I´ll have to wait until SGI gets a clean patch out. :-( Yea, me too. Plus i'm wondering if the acpi patch for 2.4.21-rc3 will apply, as there's nothing released beyond that yet. I´d love to see XFS get into 2.4.x. You me both, but i don't know if that will ever happen. Wouldn't this be the right patch? Put up yesterday afternoon... ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/download/Release-1.3/kernel_patche s yup, thanks! Although i don't understand why its not in here: ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/download/patches/2.4.21 Hmmm getting an error in compiling the kernel make -C xfs fastdep no such file or directory whereas make -C vfat fastdep worked fine. are those make's commands that you are using manually, or something that got called internally during 'make dep'? Those are commands (and errors) from 'make bzImage' -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/14/03 10:48 + ++ Anagram: Animosity = Is No Amity ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux 2.4.21
On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:43 am, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Bruce Marshall: On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:13 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/14/03 07:07, Bruce Marshall wrote: [slash] Wouldn't this be the right patch? Put up yesterday afternoon... ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/download/Release-1.3/kernel_patch es yup, thanks! Although i don't understand why its not in here: ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/download/patches/2.4.21 Hmmm getting an error in compiling the kernel make -C xfs fastdep no such file or directory whereas make -C vfat fastdep worked fine. Maybe it's not cooked yet. The patch didn´t apply cleanly to stock 2.4.21 sources, so I didn´t even bother trying to compile it. There were a dozen or so rejects and way to much fuzz... Strange, I didn't see any errors the first time and so I just loaded it up all again and re-patched it. Still no errors. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/14/03 10:52 + ++ Everyone is entitled to my opinion. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux 2.4.21
On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:59 am, Net Llama! wrote:
On 06/14/03 07:53, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:43 am, Kurt Wall wrote:
Quoth Bruce Marshall:
On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:13 am, Net Llama! wrote:
On 06/14/03 07:07, Bruce Marshall wrote:
[slash]
Wouldn't this be the right patch?
Put up yesterday afternoon...
ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/download/Release-1.3/kernel_pa
tch es
yup, thanks! Although i don't understand why its not in here:
ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/download/patches/2.4.21
Hmmm getting an error in compiling the kernel
make -C xfs fastdep no such file or directory
whereas make -C vfat fastdep worked fine.
Maybe it's not cooked yet.
The patch didn´t apply cleanly to stock 2.4.21 sources, so I didn´t
even bother trying to compile it. There were a dozen or so rejects
and way to much fuzz...
Strange, I didn't see any errors the first time and so I just loaded
it up all again and re-patched it. Still no errors.
now i'm seeing weirdness:
I just did a make mrproper... no errors
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/arch/i386/boot'
rm -f tools/build
rm -f setup bootsect zImage compressed/vmlinux.out
rm -f bsetup bbootsect bzImage compressed/bvmlinux.out
make[2]: Entering directory
`/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/arch/i386/boot/compressed'
rm -f vmlinux bvmlinux _tmp_*
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/arch/i386/boot/compressed'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/arch/i386/boot'
find . \( -name '*.[oas]' -o -name core -o -name '.*.flags' \) -type f
-print \
| grep -v lxdialog/ | xargs rm -f
rm -f kernel/ksyms.lst include/linux/compile.h vmlinux System.map .tmp*
drivers/char/consolemap_deftbl.c drivers/video/promcon_tbl.c
drivers/char/conmakehash drivers/char/drm/*-mod.c drivers/pci/devlist.h
drivers/pci/classlist.h drivers/pci/gen-devlist drivers/zorro/devlist.h
drivers/zorro/gen-devlist drivers/sound/bin2hex drivers/sound/hex2hex
drivers/atm/fore200e_mkfirm drivers/atm/{pca,sba}*{.bin,.bin1,.bin2}
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm_gram.c
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm_gram.h
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm_macro_gram.c
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm_macro_gram.h
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm_macro_scan.c
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm_scan.c
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicdb.h drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/y.tab.h
drivers/scsi/53c700_d.h net/khttpd/make_times_h net/khttpd/times.h
submenu*
rm -rf modules
make -C Documentation/DocBook clean
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/Documentation/DocBook'
rm -f core *~
rm -f wanbook.sgml z8530book.sgml mcabook.sgml videobook.sgml
kernel-api.sgml parportbook.sgml kernel-hacking.sgml kernel-locking.sgml
via-audio.sgml mousedrivers.sgml sis900.sgml deviceiobook.sgml
procfs-guide.sgml tulip-user.sgml journal-api.sgml
rm -f wanbook.dvi z8530book.dvi mcabook.dvi videobook.dvi
kernel-api.dvi parportbook.dvi kernel-hacking.dvi kernel-locking.dvi
via-audio.dvi mousedrivers.dvi sis900.dvi deviceiobook.dvi
procfs-guide.dvi tulip-user.dvi journal-api.dvi wanbook.aux
z8530book.aux mcabook.aux videobook.aux kernel-api.aux
parportbook.aux kernel-hacking.aux kernel-locking.aux via-audio.aux
mousedrivers.aux sis900.aux deviceiobook.aux procfs-guide.aux
tulip-user.aux journal-api.aux wanbook.tex z8530book.tex mcabook.tex
videobook.tex kernel-api.tex parportbook.tex kernel-hacking.tex
kernel-locking.tex via-audio.tex mousedrivers.tex sis900.tex
deviceiobook.tex procfs-guide.tex tulip-user.tex journal-api.tex
wanbook.log z8530book.log mcabook.log videobook.log kernel-api.log
parportbook.log kernel-hacking.log kernel-locking.log via-audio.log
mousedrivers.log sis900.log deviceiobook.log procfs-guide.log
tulip-user.log journal-api.log wanbook.out z8530book.out mcabook.out
videobook.out kernel-api.out parportbook.out kernel-hacking.out
kernel-locking.out via-audio.out mousedrivers.out sis900.out
deviceiobook.out procfs-guide.out tulip-user.out journal-api.out
rm -f parport-share.png parport-multi.png parport-structure.png
parport-share.eps parport-multi.eps parport-structure.eps
rm -f procfs_example.sgml
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/Documentation/DocBook'
find . \( -size 0 -o -name .depend \) -type f -print | xargs rm -f
rm -f include/linux/autoconf.h include/linux/version.h
drivers/net/hamradio/soundmodem/sm_tbl_{afsk1200,afsk2666,fsk9600}.h
drivers/net/hamradio/soundmodem/sm_tbl_{hapn4800,psk4800}.h
drivers/net/hamradio/soundmodem/sm_tbl_{afsk2400_7,afsk2400_8}.h
drivers/net/hamradio/soundmodem/gentbl drivers/sound/*_boot.h
drivers/sound/.*.boot drivers/sound/msndinit.c drivers/sound/msndperm.c
drivers/sound/pndsperm.c drivers/sound/pndspini.c
drivers/atm/fore200e_*_fw.c
Re: Linux 2.4.21
On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:55 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/14/03 07:43, Kurt Wall wrote: Maybe it's not cooked yet. The patch didn´t apply cleanly to stock 2.4.21 sources, so I didn´t even bother trying to compile it. There were a dozen or so rejects and way to much fuzz... huh? the only discrepancy that i got was: patching file linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c Hunk #1 succeeded at 1193 (offset 7 lines). patching file linux/drivers/md/raid5.c other than that it was smooth sailing. I didn't even get that error. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/14/03 11:08 + ++ Katz's Law: People and nations will act rationally when all other possibilities have been exhausted. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux 2.4.21
On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:24 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/14/03 08:08, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:55 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/14/03 07:43, Kurt Wall wrote: Maybe it's not cooked yet. The patch didn´t apply cleanly to stock 2.4.21 sources, so I didn´t even bother trying to compile it. There were a dozen or so rejects and way to much fuzz... huh? the only discrepancy that i got was: patching file linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c Hunk #1 succeeded at 1193 (offset 7 lines). patching file linux/drivers/md/raid5.c other than that it was smooth sailing. I didn't even get that error. hr...are you using a full 2.4.21 tarball, or just the patchset tarball? I'm using the full tarball, downloaded early yesterday morning. i'm starting to wonder if what got dumped out to the world was changed at some point. Using a full tarball. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/14/03 12:05 + ++ I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux 2.4.21
On Saturday 14 June 2003 12:14 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/14/03 09:05, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:24 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/14/03 08:08, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:55 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/14/03 07:43, Kurt Wall wrote: Maybe it's not cooked yet. The patch didn´t apply cleanly to stock 2.4.21 sources, so I didn´t even bother trying to compile it. There were a dozen or so rejects and way to much fuzz... huh? the only discrepancy that i got was: patching file linux/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c Hunk #1 succeeded at 1193 (offset 7 lines). patching file linux/drivers/md/raid5.c other than that it was smooth sailing. I didn't even get that error. hr...are you using a full 2.4.21 tarball, or just the patchset tarball? I'm using the full tarball, downloaded early yesterday morning. i'm starting to wonder if what got dumped out to the world was changed at some point. Using a full tarball. that throws my theory out. so, can anyone explain what the new option 'PGE extensions' is under 'processor type features'? it looks to be something useful on pentium compatibles for high memory support, but i can't find a good explanation that doesn't require me to have a degree in hardware engineering. This is getting pretty weird I don't see that option. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/14/03 12:27 + ++ Integrity has no need for rules. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux 2.4.21
On Saturday 14 June 2003 12:53 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/14/03 09:27, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 12:14 pm, Net Llama! wrote: that throws my theory out. so, can anyone explain what the new option 'PGE extensions' is under 'processor type features'? it looks to be something useful on pentium compatibles for high memory support, but i can't find a good explanation that doesn't require me to have a degree in hardware engineering. This is getting pretty weird I don't see that option. this is the linux kernel, right? ;) Yeh... I have a pentium 4 selected... and under the cpu options I don't see a mention of PGE. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/14/03 13:04 + ++ The person who is all wrapped up in himself is overdressed. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux 2.4.21
On Saturday 14 June 2003 12:53 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On 06/14/03 09:27, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 12:14 pm, Net Llama! wrote: that throws my theory out. so, can anyone explain what the new option 'PGE extensions' is under 'processor type features'? it looks to be something useful on pentium compatibles for high memory support, but i can't find a good explanation that doesn't require me to have a degree in hardware engineering. This is getting pretty weird I don't see that option. this is the linux kernel, right? ;) I do have 2.4.21 up and running now.. Had some errors on the sound when I did a make modules but figured I'd give it a try. Running fine. Now to find out what's wrong with the sound modules. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/14/03 13:05 + ++ Don't ask me; I was hired for my looks. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux 2.4.21
On Saturday 14 June 2003 12:22 pm, David A. Bandel wrote: On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:48:42 -0400 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don´t know why you guys are having such problems. The linux-2.4.21-xfs.blah patch (not yet in 2.4.21 directory, but in the snapshot directory) worked fine. My situation: I opened 2.4.19, patched to .20 then to .21 then applied the xfs patch. No errors. Built, installed, booted just fine. Hmmm. My phone doesn´t work now. ixj loaded, but the phone doesn´t activate. dmesg says all is good. Same problem I have w/ 2.5.70. Hmmm. Ciao, David A. Bandel Compiles ok now Thanks for the tip! -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/14/03 12:47 + ++ I live on a one-way dead-end street. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux 2.4.21
On Saturday 14 June 2003 16:58 pm, Net Llama! wrote:
This is going to hell rather quickly. So i finally applied what looks
to be the correct XFS patch, and I still can't get as far as 'make
mrproper' without something blowing up. This is the same box that
i've built every previous 2.4.x kernel since 2.4.0, without a hitch.
Any chance of you trying the full tarball?
I've got 2.4.21 running fine on a P-4 machine and also now on an AMD-800.
Sound is broken on the AMD machine but I'm working on that now. No
other problems that I see.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] linux]# make mrproper
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/arch/i386/boot'
rm -f tools/build
rm -f setup bootsect zImage compressed/vmlinux.out
rm -f bsetup bbootsect bzImage compressed/bvmlinux.out
make[2]: Entering directory
`/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/arch/i386/boot/compressed'
rm -f vmlinux bvmlinux _tmp_*
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/arch/i386/boot/compressed' make[1]: Leaving
directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/arch/i386/boot' find . \( -name
'*.[oas]' -o -name core -o -name '.*.flags' \) -type f -print \
| grep -v lxdialog/ | xargs rm -f
rm -f kernel/ksyms.lst include/linux/compile.h vmlinux System.map
.tmp* drivers/char/consolemap_deftbl.c drivers/video/promcon_tbl.c
drivers/char/conmakehash drivers/char/drm/*-mod.c
drivers/pci/devlist.h drivers/pci/classlist.h drivers/pci/gen-devlist
drivers/zorro/devlist.h drivers/zorro/gen-devlist
drivers/sound/bin2hex drivers/sound/hex2hex
drivers/atm/fore200e_mkfirm drivers/atm/{pca,sba}*{.bin,.bin1,.bin2}
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm_gram.c
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm_gram.h
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm_macro_gram.c
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm_macro_gram.h
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm_macro_scan.c
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm_scan.c
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicdb.h
drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/y.tab.h drivers/scsi/53c700_d.h
net/khttpd/make_times_h net/khttpd/times.h submenu* rm -rf modules
make -C Documentation/DocBook clean
make[1]: Entering directory
`/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/Documentation/DocBook' Makefile:200:
/Rules.make: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/Rules.make'. Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/Documentation/DocBook' make: *** [clean] Error
2
After some digging it appears that the problem is that the $TOPDIR
variable (referenced in various Makefiles) is never getting set and/or
passed somewhere. $TOPDIR looks like it should be /usr/src/linux, and
if i do 'export TOPDIR=/usr/src/linux', then 'make mrproper' completes
successfully. Alternatively, if i just add 'TOPDIR=/usr/src/linux' to
the top of /usr/src/linux/Documentation/DocBook, 'make mrproper' also
completes successfully.
Unfortunately, this variable craziness just continues to propogate
down hill, as when i do 'make xconfig' :
[EMAIL PROTECTED] linux]# make xconfig
rm -f include/asm
( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
make -C scripts kconfig.tk
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/scripts'
make[1]: *** No rule to make target
`/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/arch//config.in', needed by `kconfig.tk'.
Stop. make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.21/scripts'
make: *** [xconfig] Error 2
Its blowing up here because the $ARCH variable isn't getting passed
either. Now i could play the game of hacking that variable into place
too, but it just continues to spiral down.
So i'm really wondering what the hell is broken here?
--
++
+ Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/14/03
17:02 +
++
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Re: bootable Redhat based CD?
On Wednesday 11 June 2003 13:35 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Tuesday 10 June 2003 17:50, Net Llama! wrote: I've spend the better part of the past week exploring the varios options suggestions, but i'm not making much progress. The closest i've come to success is a CD that booted as far as not finding init (even though there was an inittab on the CD). Does anyone know where there might be decent SxS style documentation on how to create a Knoppix style CD from scratch? I looked at for various HOWTO's but they're not quite sinking in. Just a thought but have you looked at Bernard's bootable linux on freshmeat? freshmeat.net/projects/bblcd/?topic_id=147%2C866 It has all you need to build a bootable CD from your currently running distro. I did this once on an SuSE distro and it worked pretty well. I think it needs the minix fs though but that's pretty easy to add to the kernel. That looks promising, thanks. Does it need minix support compiled into the kernel, or just as a module? Reading the FAQ at: http://bblcd.berlios.de/faq.html seems to indicate that: 1) The initrd FS can now be minix or ext2 so make it ext2. 2) Minix is still required (for space reasons) but if the initrd is ext2, then the minix support can be in modules. 3) The initrd support must be compiled into the kernel. At least that was my take on a quick read. Don't recall but I would think the notes would cover that. I would guess it would need minix for reading the kernel early on and it may not have an initrd environment but not sure on that. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 06/11/03 15:35 + ++ Perfection, then, is finally achieved, not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. - Antoine de St. Exupry ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bootable Redhat based CD?
On Tuesday 10 June 2003 17:50, Net Llama! wrote: On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Andrew Mathews wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Mathews wrote: | Net Llama! wrote: | | Anyone know of a bootable Redhat based CD, similar to the Knoppix | | concept? I need to integrate some stuff into a bootable redhat | | environment, and i'd rather not have to make it myself if i don't | | have | | to. | | | I recall one named ER-iso you might google for. snip Take a look at: http://smokeping.planetmirror.com/pub/redhat-addons/rescue-cd/ I've spend the better part of the past week exploring the varios options suggestions, but i'm not making much progress. The closest i've come to success is a CD that booted as far as not finding init (even though there was an inittab on the CD). Does anyone know where there might be decent SxS style documentation on how to create a Knoppix style CD from scratch? I looked at for various HOWTO's but they're not quite sinking in. Just a thought but have you looked at Bernard's bootable linux on freshmeat? freshmeat.net/projects/bblcd/?topic_id=147%2C866 It has all you need to build a bootable CD from your currently running distro. I did this once on an SuSE distro and it worked pretty well. I think it needs the minix fs though but that's pretty easy to add to the kernel. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop
On Monday 02 June 2003 11:18, Shawn L Johnston wrote: Does anyone know anything about this Enterprise Desktop product? I've only seen this article on it http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/04/02/HNsusedelay_1.html which says that its supposed to be available in June, but I haven't found anything about it on SuSE's site. They came out with that product in the days of 8.1 I think and it was introduced after 8.1 became available. I believe what it is is the current product (8.2) with some added commercial products (maybe StarOffice instead of OO) plus others and a desktop set up for an 'enterprise user'. The idea being that it is a product that a company could install and make it their desktop, with all the necessities of that environment. Thanks, Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: the latest from sco
On Friday 30 May 2003 16:20, dep wrote: darl and chris held a teleconference today. the upshot apparently is that their basis for enforcement is the contracts which they have with unix licensees. which is to say that they intend to go after *their own customers.* if they have figured out a per-enemy payment scheme, they'll grow rich, because they've announced essentially that they neither have nor want any friends at all anywhere. weird. we wrote the whole thing up. conference was three hours ago. http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=360 Yup and unfortunately not one of the 'question askers' brought up the issue of MicroSoft But it says to me that how can Linux be in trouble when no one has a contract with SCO over linux. Just their current licensees have contracts. (although they can go after IBM as one of those contract holders but I can't really see how that would affect the users of linux) They sure are a bunch of donkey butts.. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT We won't back down...
On Saturday 29 March 2003 10:21 am, Collins Richey wrote: On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:50:41 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you feel a bit mislead, judging by the amount of resistance, and the lack of open-armed welcome by the Iraqis? Our intentions may be good, but something smells. Not in the least. I don't ever believe that massive groups of Arabs would invite the great Satan into their midst and welcome him with open arms. Nor do I believe that anyone in the administration would seriously believe this to be the case. The whole scenario is quite complex, and it's an over simplification to say it's the oil or it's the weapons of mass destruction or it's freedom for the Iraquis or it's Al Queda (sp?), etc. It's all of these things and more. Some aspects of the campaign are no doubt tied up with classified information that we are not privy to, and that's as it should be, although that irks the CIA baiters no end. I don't feel mislead either. As one Iraqi soldier put it: we fear Saddam far more than we fear you (U.S.) So they won't start being relieved until they are sure that Saddam won't be around to harm them. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 03/29/03 10:30 + ++ I said no to drugs, but they just wouldn't listen. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thursday 27 March 2003 17:49 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, el lodger wrote: I'm thinking about getting a lcd monitor. Are these supported by the 2.4.x kernel? If so, any recommendations or gotchas? What specs are important and what should I be looking for aside from the actual picture? For example, would the contrast ratio 500:1 be better than 350:1? the kernel doesn't provide monitor support, X provides that support. But yes, they're supported in XFree86-4.x. I don't know anything about constrast ratios. I'd think that the maximum resolution would be key. X is only concerned with the vertical/horizontal specs and the resolution - LCD or standard monitor. The higher the contrast ratio the better. As far as I remember, the LCD jobs are designed to be operated only at the stated maximum resolution. Any lower resolution will result in poor display quality. I recommend ViewSonic for everything, but I have no actual experience with the LCD monitors. After agonizing for months, I decided to get a 19 ViewSonic A90f+ monitor ($279) rather than the equivalent size LCD unit ($600++). It's a big improvement over my old 17 monitor. The diplay is sharper at 1280x1024 than may old monitor was at 1024x768. Of course, I needed to increase font sizes for the browser and sylpheed. YMMV. Of course, if you have limited desk space, that could tilt the equation. Gee Collins, we agree on something!! I too recommend Viewsonic and I'm using a Viewsonic VE800 (18inch) LCD monitor as I type this. Connecting it to SuSE 8.0 was no problem... it self configured itself and you are right, it wants to run at its max resolution of 1280x1024. The look and feel of it 'might' be a bit better than a tube monitor but not enough for me to really be worth the difference in price. (and here I am with a gentoo CD I'm going to play with and you're off playing with Slackware... (my first linux distro) ) What comes around, goes around I guess. :-) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 03/27/03 18:06 + ++ I think that God in creating man somewhat overestimated his ability. - Oscar Wilde ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thursday 27 March 2003 19:02 pm, el lodger wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:11:37 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Collins, we agree on something!! I too recommend Viewsonic and I'm using a Viewsonic VE800 (18inch) LCD monitor as I type this. Connecting it to SuSE 8.0 was no problem... it self configured itself and you are right, it wants to run at its max resolution of 1280x1024. The look and feel of it 'might' be a bit better than a tube monitor but not enough for me to really be worth the difference in price. (and here I am with a gentoo CD I'm going to play with and you're off playing with Slackware... (my first linux distro) ) What comes around, Marshall, let me know how the Xconfig goes with your gentoo! el lodger Well maybe Collins or someone else can tell me this... I downloaded the 194MB cd to do the install but I only have a 56KB dialup line (24/7 tho) and I'm wondering what kind of time it is going to take to get it all together? People seem to say that it takes broadband in which case it may not even be a starter. But I think I'll at least get it started so I can see what it looks like. Every night I could load up a pretty large chunk of it. Am I crazy? (to try gentoo...) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 03/27/03 19:13 + ++ Who's General Failure why's he reading my disk? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OpenOffice Outline View
On Friday 21 March 2003 22:56 pm, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: MS Word has the ability to view a document in outline format. That is if you have a document that has different heading levels in it you can select a view option that displays the document as an outline. This is very handy because you can drag the headings around to rearrange them in the document without cutting and pasting large chunks of text. I haven't found an equivalent in OO 1.01 but maybe I'm missing something. Can it be done? Thanks. I have the Star Office 6.0 'Companion' book and a quick look at the index shows that it does have outlining A section called 'Master Views' talks about the different views including an outline view but that seems to deal with presentations rather than a document. In the document creation part it only mentions outlining by use of numbering, but doesn't mention any possible outline function/feature other than the numbering... I would guess it really doesn't have the same capability. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 03/22/03 08:37 + ++ Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason. - Oscar Wilde, British playwright, poet, and novelist (1854-1900) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Network printing problem
On Friday 21 March 2003 13:03 pm, Susan Macchia wrote: Yes I am using LPRng. I looked at /etc/lpd.perms and DEFAULT ACCEPT is the last line. I looked on the RH website and read everything I could and have added /etc/hosts.lpd to list all of the hosts that will print. Restarted lpd on all systems, and still the same no connect permissions. I just can't figure out what is going on. I may try rlpr as a work around (if that will even work). I've compared my configuration with the one at work and they are just about identical, so I am pretty much stumped. Anyway, my husband and son are getting quite annoyed with me because they always have to ask me to get something printed from one of the other machines...They keep asking, When are you going to fix printing?. How are you trying to print? Samba? If not, what does 'nmap localhost' show for port 515? Sigh Joel Hammer wrote: Are you using LPRng? If so, have you looked at /etc/lpd.perms? Here is all I have in mind: DEFAULT ACCEPT Joel On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 04:05:22AM -0800, Susan Macchia wrote: Ok, so I tried removing the filter on strider (remember gandalf has the printer, strider is a client trying to print to gandalf's printer; both run RH 8.0). And I still see the same result. The printcap now looks like: lp:\ :ml#0:\ :mx#0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/lp/lp.acct:\ :sh:\ :rm=gandalf.smacchia.net:\ :rp=lp: And when I do an lpq after trying to print, I see: Printer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dest [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Queue: no printable jobs in queue Server: no server active Status: keeping error job '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' at 06:59:33.063 Rank Owner/ID Class Job Files Size Time error [EMAIL PROTECTED] A29 ERROR: job removal requested no connect permissions Neither machine has a firewall and telnet, rsh, rlogin services are available on gandalf. Any help here is much appreciated. Joel Hammer wrote: I would wonder if you are trying to filter the job twice, once on the client and once on the server. I don't know which printing software you are using. LPRng has lpd.perms which controls who can and cannot access the printing software. Joel = _ Susan Macchia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ - Running Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 03/21/03 14:12 + ++ Opportunity-- A good chance that always looks bigger going than coming. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What's after OpenLinux?
On Saturday 08 March 2003 17:29 pm, Collins Richey wrote: Yes! I am so glad never to see RPM - I just emerge sync, emerge -up world and I see what I need to do. I've been using Gentoo for a couple of months God, I wish I'd said that! Wait a minute, I did say that. You better watch it, Brett. They'll put you in the same plonk file with me! grin Watch it fella!! You're getting close to the line. (finger on the plonk button):-) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 03/08/03 19:52 + ++ Why not go out on a limb? Isn't that where the fruit is? - Frank Scully ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Caldera Sues IBM
On Friday 07 March 2003 13:05 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Friday 07 March 2003 12:46 pm, Ted Ozolins wrote: Kurt Wall wrote: Bastards. I'm going to throw away every piece of Caldera software I own. It's filthy and I refuse to soil my hands or to foul my home with it. http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?ptitle=Technology%20NewsT=m arke ts_box.htmiddle=ad_frame2_alls=APmfr7BXWQ2FsZGVy http://news.com.com/2100-1016-991464.html?tag=fd_top http://www.forbes.com/home/2003/03/06/cs_qh_0306unix.html I went to their web-site and filled out a 'site survey'. It allows comments. Told them how pathetic they look to their current and past customers. they don't care. did they care when hords of their most devoted customers provided feedback on the Caldera mailing list? did they care when folks left that list enmasse? Caldera/SCO has never shown much interest in their image. Yup... agreed... and they don't have many customers to 'keep' anyway... But gee, I sure feel better. :-) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 03/07/03 14:13 + ++ Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. - W.C. Fields ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mouse accel rate issue -- resolved
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 7:52 am, dep wrote: begin Bruce Marshall's quote: | Oh well I think what's current in the Expert Mouse line is the | Pro now with four big buttons and 6 small ones on the top | edge... and a wheel above the ball. they still apparently have the plain old expert mouse: http://www.kensington.com/html/1175.html which is what i'm using. i want all four buttons to work (as it is, i have two left and two right) before i start adding more buttons! i don't suppose you know of anyone who has done up a way of assigning discrete functions to the buttons, do you? Thanks for the tip... Didn't know they were still selling the old model but at $109, I think I'll get them from eBay... I haven't seen the 'classic' model available from a vendor but I suppose they could be found. Haven't looked yet for discrete functions but I would assume that with more and more mice coming with extra buttons, it will happen some day not too far away. they actually ported mouseworks to OS/2, and i was able to get some nice functioning out of it. though truth be known, having two left and two right is not bad, in that i can click no matter what my hand position, which reduces fatigue. Yeh, I seem to recall using the EM under OS/2 also... worked pretty well and had all of the mouse controls too. Hmmm, think I'll go see if Kensington has a 'feedback' area on their site but I did notice that under 'System Requirements' on the page you listed, they don't include Linux, so I guess we're outlaws... Just went to their page and at: http://www.kensington.com/html/1512.html there is a 'survey' you can take. At the end is a 'comment' section so I laid it on thick there for the need for Linux support. If you can find the time, take the survey... it's about 5 questions long. the new cord they sent had a 9-pin serial to ps2 adapter, which i'm not using but which is nice to have. i've fiddled a little with the old one, and there is something goofy, which is to say intermittent, in the cord connector on the trackball itself. if i had a wiring diagram, i'd try either to fix the connector itself or to hardwire the cord, because the old one does work a lot more smoothly than the new one. the old one is considerably heavier, and looking inside i see it is far more nicely finished than the new one. i'd love to get the old one working. also, and this works for keyboards as well, i've found that getting some little peel-and-stick non-skid pads, half the size of a postage stamp, and putting 'em on the bottom makes things nicer, because i can place the trackball as if it were a rightward extension of the keyboard and it will stay there. this is useful in going through mail, because the delete key is within thumb's reach (well, if you have numlock off, or if you use one of these little shorty ibm keyboards). Hmm I'll try the non-skid pads... Are you sure that the connector hasn't just come loose from the circuit board and loosened its connections? Unless the connector itself is worn, I would think it would be a mechanical problem (loose solder joint) more than anything. I once threw out an old 2-button mouse because I was having a hard time getting it to be smooth after repeated cleanings.. wish I had kept it for the parts now but I am sure there may be a candidate coming along someday... (I recently bought 5 of the things for $65 total on eBay and they were all in great condition) | There should be a label on the bottom telling you what you have but | as long as it works, that's what counts. my old one was definitely a v5; the new one says expert mouse usb/ps2 four-button trackball model #64217. i don't know what the old one said because i had to peel off the label to take it apart for cleaning. (with the new one, i learned, and used an exacto knife to cut away the label over the two screws.) Sounds like you have the new 'classic' model then. I don't have one of those but I can't imagine it would be much different than a V5. Oh... you said it didn't have a connector at all and neither does the Pro model. So I would guess it may have the guts of a Pro in the old case. I haven't opened up a Pro model yet to see how it is constructed but that should happen soon. I would hope they would either a) make it easier to clean, or b) design it so it doesn't need cleaning but I'm probably dreaming in both cases. Check out eBay (search on Expert Mouse) if you really want one of the older models... they have them new and/or old on there. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 02/26/03 10:10 + ++ Programming Department: Mistakes made while you wait. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mouse accel rate issue -- resolved
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 13:06 pm, dep wrote: begin Bruce Marshall's quote: | Unless the connector itself is worn, I would think it | would be a mechanical problem (loose solder joint) more than | anything. just took it apart and wiggled the connector while looking at it under a 10x loupe and sure enough, all eight of the solder joints are cracked. so i shall be doing some very delicate soldering just as soon as the morning coffee wears off. Good to know in case it happens to me. My wife was using one at school and some kid tripped on the cord and knocked it off the desk.. and then he must have stepped on it, because he broke the mini-switch for the lower LMB... I was able to steal the upper RMB switch to fix it Arrrggg. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 02/26/03 14:24 + ++ What happened to the first 6 ups? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mouse accel rate issue
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 19:29 pm, dep wrote: greets. my beloved kensington trackball appears to have given up the ghost; it was a serial version whose cable i thought had gone screwy, but a new one (which kensington, btw, sent free of charge even though the trackball is about seven years old -- good company, imho) did not fix it and i don't know that i'll be able to do all the tracing to fix the scewey connection in the circuit itself. so i got a whole new one, same model only now it's usb/ps2 instead of serial. which is no big deal (though i think the old one was made a little better) except that mouse acceleration both in gdm and kde are now all screwy. yeah, i reconfigured for a ps2 instead of serial mouse. thing is, with the serial mouse movement per unit of trackball travel was about three times what it is with the ps2 version. i can speed things up somewhat, through the cli option in gdm and the preferences panel in kde, but both of these want it to begin very slowly and then speed up, while i'd just as soon the speed be consistent -- and faster -- throughout. i suspect that there is a nice configuration file someplace i can crack open and edit, but i'm damned if i can find it for either gdm or kde. anybody know? thanks. I use Kensington Expert Meese on about 6 diff computers and they all work fine. (just hooked up a Pro today) They are all PS/2 style. I assume your's is a Version 5.0 but all you should need to do is play with the control center -- peripherals -- mice and change the settings. Mine is currently set to: Pointer accel = 7x Pointer Thresh = 1 pixel And it seems to do what you say you want. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 02/25/03 19:48 + ++ Never hit a man with glasses; hit him with your fist. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mouse accel rate issue -- resolved
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 21:12 pm, dep wrote: bruce and kurt -- thanks. i took a short cut that roberto alsina suggested, which was to goose up the option resolution line (which involved creating the line first) in XF86Config. it doesn't fix the gdm problem, but if i turned gdm off i wouldn't miss it, so that's not a huge concern, except that with the defaults it takes one complete revolution of the ball to move half a line, which isn't tremendously efficient and which is irritating to look at. what i can't figure out is why my serial trackball -- yup, an expert mouse which in my estimation is the absolute best, and i wish somebody made a keyboard of equivalent quality -- behaved so very differently from the ps2 version. the circuit boards seem different, too, and the ps2 one has a much thinner, non-detachable cable, unlike the serial version. also, the new one doesn't seem quite as smooth as the old one. I assume you now have an Expert Mouse Pro What kernel are you running? I first installed a Pro on 2.4.18 and it was rather jerky and I didn't like it at all... whereas an older EMouse worked just fine. So I went back to the older Version 5.0 But just this afternoon I decided to give the Pro another try. I'm also now running 2.4.20 and the Pro is as smooth as the V5 was and I really like it. Wheel works well too but I'm not sure I'm going to get the hang of using it. I think there might have been some changes for the wheel-mice in the later kernels. Just my $.02 speaking of which: kensington's mouseworks software is available for osx; i wonder if there's a way to crowbar it onto a linux install. probly not. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 02/25/03 21:27 + ++ All the brave men are in prison. -- Russian proverb ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mouse accel rate issue -- resolved
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 22:28 pm, dep wrote: begin Bruce Marshall's quote: | I assume you now have an Expert Mouse Pro nah, the old four-button one; my original was a v. 5; no idea what this one is -- it's whatever's current. Oh well I think what's current in the Expert Mouse line is the Pro now with four big buttons and 6 small ones on the top edge... and a wheel above the ball. The Version5's I use are pretty recent I'm now buying them off of eBay while they last. I think your V5 could also have attached as a PS/2. There should be a label on the bottom telling you what you have but as long as it works, that's what counts. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 02/25/03 22:33 + ++ You might be a high-tech Red-neck if: you have ever purchased an electronic appliance as-is ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Fwd: [SLE] The Linux Uprising(OT)
I haven't seen this article mentioned over on this list. Check it out, especially the part about SCO and how they are going to litigate on pieces of Linux. Our old friends, Caldera, can't make money in the Linux business so they're going to use lawyers to make money... Sounds rather Micro$ofty to me. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [SLE] The Linux Uprising(OT) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:58:01 -0500 From: Fred A. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: suse-linux-e [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_09/b3822601_tc102.htm -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 02/23/03 11:23 + ++ Soap and education are not as sudden as a massacre, but they are more deadly in the long run. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
