RE: [PUB] Possible candidate
From: Greg McCarroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Good Beer? Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)? Food that can be ate in bar? Lots of seating? Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)? Central to ``business'' London? with this scale, Penderels scores 0,0,1,1,0.5,1 = 3.5 Anchor scores ... 1,1,0,1,0.5,0 = 3.5 There's The George and Dragon just south of London Bridge. Easily walkable from LB station or even the City (I used to go there a lot). Unfortunately I haven't been there for a while, but hopefully it's still as good as I remember. And there's and extra point if you can name the SF book it's mentioned in. Rob --- Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of IBNet Plc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 08:29:19AM +0100, Robert Thompson wrote: There's The George and Dragon just south of London Bridge. Easily walkable from LB station or even the City (I used to go there a lot). [snip] And there's and extra point if you can name the SF book it's mentioned in. Well, the Silly Fairy book was _George and the Dragon_. Where's my fiver? :-) Paul -- Only one element of each kind
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:16:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Good Beer? Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)? Food that can be ate in bar? Lots of seating? Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)? Central to ``business'' London? Can we add accessibility to the list? The main reason I haven't been to many social meets recently is that i would have to climb stairs to get to you all and then climb down loads of stairs to get to the loo (e.g. Barrowboy and Banker). At least the PO I climb down to get to you all and the loos are on the same level (good)... Natalie apologies for any typos - I can't see too well today...
Re: bad greg
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:55:39PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:27:19AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain name registry with a neat web based management system for handling the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the url? www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk FreeBSD users, Debian committers, OpenSRS registry (can do .co.uk's too), ^ are they?? recommended to me by Mr Couzens, at least one other person on this list co-los with them, they have clue, all-round nice guys. Wonder who that would be then. :) MBM
Re: bad greg
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:07:15PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:09:28PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:55:39PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: Mr Couzens Die, alien slime! My apologies was typed in a hurry on a tube train and I didn't double check before it got sent when I got home. 100 x I must check the spelling of people's surnames before hitting send I have to say that I'm glad you didn't try to reproduce mine. :) MBM
Re: bad greg
Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:09:28PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:55:39PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: Mr Couzens Die, alien slime! My apologies was typed in a hurry on a tube train and I didn't double check before it got sent when I got home. 100 x I must check the spelling of people's surnames before hitting send I think you'll find that that only works if you do it the other way around. -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:16:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Good Beer? Nice surroundings (beer garden in summer/open fire in winter)? Food that can be ate in bar? Lots of seating? Quiet (i.e. you can hear each other talk)? Central to ``business'' London? Can we add accessibility to the list? The main reason I haven't been to many social meets recently is that i would have to climb stairs to get to you all and then climb down loads of stairs to get to the loo (e.g. Barrowboy and Banker). At least the PO I climb down to get to you all and the loos are on the same level (good)... I like PO a lot. Not being a CAMRA member, I'm quite happy to sup Stella or TVRs or Theakstons, and the food is cheap. My financial advisor works in the office next door to the PO and I've just coincidentally booked an appointment with him for 4pm next Thursday :-) /Robert
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
Neil Ford wrote: Only one question food? Yes, AFAIK. Standard pub grub. -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: bad greg
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 10:00:22AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: FreeBSD users, Debian committers, OpenSRS registry (can do .co.uk's too), ^ are they?? Indeed they are. http://www.earth.li/~noodles/computers.html -- The Second Law of Thermodynamics: If you think things are in a mess now, just wait!
OSCon London
I got a catalogue mailed to me from ORA UK yesterday. Nothing unusual in that, I'm always getting catalogues in the post from O'Reilly. This one, however, had an advert on the from about the Open Source Convention. Not the San Diego Open Source Convention, but one in London on October 22 - 25. That's currently all I know, but I'll see what else I can find out. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:03:54AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I like PO a lot. I can agree with this. Central, nice food, holds a lot of people. Only problem i have with the place is that when we get seated in a corner anyone who turns up late ends up sitting on another table. Its not a major problem but its a bit disheartening to people turning up for the first time when they get sat on the edge of a table away from the crowd. but now the summer is coming, aren't you tempted by long nights by the river? Nope. I dislike having chunks bitten out of me. Then again i shouldn't sit next to Cantrell i suppose ;) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Slow disks under linux
I'm trying to duplicate an FS from an oldish 5,400rpm 6GB IDE drive to a new 7,200rpm 61GB IDE drive using the usual cp -ax / /mnt. But it's unbelievably slow -- vmstat 2 is reporting bi/bo around 300! Having just compared that with my main server (10K 7.2K SCSIs) that's 10x slower. The thing I noticed is that the interrupts were approaching 10K/s(!) whereas on the working box they're around 1500. CPU system is also near-pegged around 80%. Anyone know what might be going on here? (Linux 2.2.17, Debian woody. The 6GB is connected with an 80pin IDE cable -- might that do it??) Paul, who will probably end up using FreeBSD since its hardware RAID (HPT370) and video (Matrox G450 dual) is apparently better...
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 03:19:21AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: Paul, who will probably end up using FreeBSD since its hardware RAID (HPT370) and video (Matrox G450 dual) is apparently better... vinum in mirror mode is not supposed to be that good (apparently it does no integrity checking of the mirror). However, I am not an authoritative source on this. MBM
Re: Slow disks under linux
Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to duplicate an FS from an oldish 5,400rpm 6GB IDE drive to a new 7,200rpm 61GB IDE drive using the usual cp -ax / /mnt. But it's unbelievably slow -- vmstat 2 is reporting bi/bo around 300! What does hdparm have to say? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: OSCon London
On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 12:00 PM, Cross David - dcross wrote: This one, however, had an advert on the from about the Open Source Convention. Not the San Diego Open Source Convention, but one in London on October 22 - 25. That's currently all I know, but I'll see what else I can find out. Couldn't find anything on the O'Reilly site, events or conferences. Maybe someone working for them who is also on this list might have some information? Marcel -- my int ($x, $y, $z, $n); $x**$n + $y**$n = $z**$n is insoluble if $n 2; I have discovered a truly remarkable proof which this signature is too short to contain. (20 Aug 2001: Pierre de Fermat's 400th birthday)
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:27:07AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 03:19:21AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: Paul, who will probably end up using FreeBSD since its hardware RAID (HPT370) and video (Matrox G450 dual) is apparently better... vinum in mirror mode is not supposed to be that good (apparently it does no integrity checking of the mirror). However, I am not an authoritative source on this. You don't have to use vinum with hardware raid. I almost fell for that, too. ;-) OTOH, one other thing to be aware of with vinum (the software RAID bit of FreeBSD) is that it doesn't support the root partition yet. AFAIK. -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:19:28AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: What does hdparm have to say? Ah yes, thanks, I remember that from 1997, the last time I used it :-) I switched DMA on both drives (hdparm -d1), and interrupts went down, transfer rate went up and all was good. Now, why do I have to do that? dmesg reports: ide0: BM-DMA at 0xc000-0xc007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0xc008-0xc00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio i.e. both DMA, so why does hdparm -d say using_dma off (and the system generally crawl)? Paul -- How would you have done it?
Re: Windows Perl - how?
On or about Thu, May 31, 2001 at 12:37:22PM +0100, Mark Fowler typed: I seem to remember downloading an .exe last week (which I no longer have and no longer seems to be where it was on thier site.) Are they randomly switching between MSI and .exe and haven't bothered to upload the installer when they switched back. http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Downloads/ActivePerl/Requirements gives download sites from MS for 9x and NT. Roger
Re: Windows Perl - how?
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 12:37:22PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: I head off to the activestate page and download the MSI for the latest build. My question is...how do I install this? I can't find the MSI installer anywhere on their site. What version of Windows is it? 2000, ME and the newer ones have it built in. NT, 95 and 98 can have it bolted on I seem to remember downloading an .exe last week (which I no longer have and no longer seems to be where it was on thier site.) Are they randomly switching between MSI and .exe and haven't bothered to upload the installer when they switched back. If you go here: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Downloads/ActivePerl/ And click the AS Package link. This will give you Perl and options to get the MSI installer for your version of Windows. HTH Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: Windows Perl - how?
on 31/5/01 12:37 pm, Mark Fowler wrote: I seem to remember downloading an .exe last week (which I no longer have and no longer seems to be where it was on thier site.) Are they randomly switching between MSI and .exe and haven't bothered to upload the installer when they switched back. I have vague memories that MSI is a new MS installation format, that needs a new Windows installer - prolly Win98... c. -- every day, computers are making people easier to use http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com
Re: Windows Perl - how?
You can find it at
http://download.microsoft.com/download/platformsdk/wininst/1.1/W9X/EN-US/InstMsi.exe
Andy
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On Thu, 31 May 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
So I'm using a windows computer to do some stuff. Which means I need a
decent scripting language, that means I install perl.
I head off to the activestate page and download the MSI for the latest
build. My question is...how do I install this? I can't find the MSI
installer anywhere on their site.
I seem to remember downloading an .exe last week (which I no longer have
and no longer seems to be where it was on thier site.) Are they randomly
switching between MSI and .exe and haven't bothered to upload the
installer when they switched back.
'elp!
Mark.
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Re: Windows Perl - how?
* Andy Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You can find it at http://download.microsoft.com/download/platformsdk/wininst/1.1/W9X/EN-US/InstMsi.exe yip i've seen this format as well, does anyone know what advantages it has? does it enforce any standards for the software? is it just a M$ ploy to control the standard install packages? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Windows Perl - how?
On or about Thu, May 31, 2001 at 01:07:31PM +0100, Greg McCarroll typed: yip i've seen this format as well, does anyone know what advantages it has? does it enforce any standards for the software? is it just a M$ ploy to control the standard install packages? I'll take option C for six million dollars, Bob... It makes a certain amount of sense. Rather than having to distribute an installer program with every package, have a standard installer program that you only need to download once. Copying files, of course, is _much_ too difficult. R
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
I like PO a lot. I can agree with this. Central, nice food, holds a lot of people. Well, for everyone that likes there is an equal and opersite number of those who dislike. I really don't like the PO... We need somewhere which is quieter although I can't think of anywhere at the moment. Actually, while I think about it there is a pub in Minories which has a private bar that groups can hire out (paid in pints I'm sure). They do good food too. I'll see if I can find a name and find out what the terms could be. Another excuse for an away-party ;) Hmmm... Red
Re: Windows Perl - how?
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:
It makes a certain amount of sense. Rather than having to distribute an
installer program with every package, have a standard installer program
that you only need to download once.
Copying files, of course, is _much_ too difficult.
Hmm..all working now (well, apart from GD crashing every time I try and
write out a JPEG - but that's another converstation)
I supose the real question is
a) Why don't activestate mirror the latest installer on their site, or..
b) At least link to it whenever you offer a MSI package to download (or
at least on the 'downloads' page
From my point of view I clicked on the 'activeperl' link on their front
page and was simply offered a load of files that I had no idea how to
download.
Grr.
Mark. (back to coding under 'nix)
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Re: Windows Perl - how?
From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] I supose the real question is a) Why don't activestate mirror the latest installer on their site, or.. b) At least link to it whenever you offer a MSI package to download (or at least on the 'downloads' page Last time I downloaded (build 623) they had both the explanation about the installer and a direct link to it on the M$ site. Even the install notes page makes no mention of it. Pretty poor if you ask me. Barbie
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
Cross David - dcross wrote: [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness. [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted. 404 - G3b0rk3d
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:02 PM Just plucked this out of alt.humour.best.of.usenet (originally from the frasier newsgroup), and it made me curl up with laughter, maybe its not everyones taste of funny but some may enjoy it [snip] Heh! Sounds like he should be talking to Mike Corley[1]. Dave... [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness. if you really want to find out about Mr Corley, you are far better doing a dejanews search for the man, i even found a FAQ about him, my favourite bit was ... 2. What is the evidence for his claims? Evidence is Mike's Achilles Heel, the area where he has most difficulty. Over the years, many people have tried to help him present convincing evidence for his claims of MI5 persecution. They have asked the pertinent questions: What is their motive? How are they able to do it? Sadly, despite all this encouragement from other Usenet users, Mike has made very little progress in this respect to date. thats spys for you, they never leave you evidence! [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted. its a conspiracy! -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Cross David - dcross wrote: [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness. [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted. 404 - G3b0rk3d more evidence of a conspiracy! -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
RE: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:25 PM Cross David - dcross wrote: [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness. [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted. 404 - G3b0rk3d 'K. Try this one then http://www.five.org.uk/. I have reasons to believe that Mike Corley lives very close to me. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:25 PM Cross David - dcross wrote: [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness. [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted. 404 - G3b0rk3d 'K. Try this one then http://www.five.org.uk/. I have reasons to believe that Mike Corley lives very close to me. Surely you mean Boleslaw Tadeusz Szocik. He lives i believe in Englewood Road, SW12 (exact number removed just in case). -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 02:10:39PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Heh! Sounds like he should be talking to Mike Corley[1]. Is that fuckwit still going? -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our most advanced operating system in the world which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh
RE: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
I have reasons to believe that Mike Corley lives very close to me. because your gold plated cats keep on getting covered in tin foil? duncan
RE: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:32 PM * Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:25 PM Cross David - dcross wrote: [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness. [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted. 404 - G3b0rk3d 'K. Try this one then http://www.five.org.uk/. I have reasons to believe that Mike Corley lives very close to me. Surely you mean Boleslaw Tadeusz Szocik. He lives i believe in Englewood Road, SW12 (exact number removed just in case). That's the one. And that _is_ very close to me. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 02:10:39PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Heh! Sounds like he should be talking to Mike Corley[1]. Is that fuckwit still going? yeah, but he's a little thin these days as he's been on a spam and rice diet to use up his Y2K emergency supplies ;-) (sorry that was to easy to skip over) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
RE: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote: That's the one. And that _is_ very close to me. Dave... I'd move Andy
RE: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
From: Andy Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 31 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote: That's the one. And that _is_ very close to me. Dave... I'd move Andy Nah... Have some fun... Walk down the road wearing a trench coat (preferably black), hat (again black for preference), dark glasses and carrying a video camera. Stopping every 20 to 30 yards and panning the camera around just adds to the effect. Rob -- Sanity's for wooses -- --- Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of IBNet Plc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
* Robert Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Andy Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 31 May 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote: That's the one. And that _is_ very close to me. Dave... I'd move Andy Nah... Have some fun... Walk down the road wearing a trench coat (preferably black), hat (again black for preference), dark glasses and carrying a video camera. add some form of protective clothing and a mini sattelite dish with leads dissappearing into a satchel for more fun Stopping every 20 to 30 yards and panning the camera around just adds to the effect. also do it every day at a different time, but make sure their is some form of pattern to your time, for instance make the number of minutes past 6 oclock equal to the prime series mod 60 -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to duplicate an FS from an oldish 5,400rpm 6GB IDE drive to a new 7,200rpm 61GB IDE drive using the usual cp -ax / /mnt. But it's unbelievably slow -- vmstat 2 is reporting bi/bo around 300! What does hdparm have to say? good point ... many/most linux distros come with all the bells and whistles for quick HD access turned to 'off' .. I tripled the transfer rate on my slaptop by turning DMA and other stuff on ... and it didn;t explode like the manpage said it might. another tip is to mount the two IDE devices on seperate controllers .. seems to improve things sometimes. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
Walk down the road wearing a trench coat (preferably black), hat (again black for preference), dark glasses and carrying a video camera. add some form of protective clothing and a mini sattelite dish with leads dissappearing into a satchel for more fun Stopping every 20 to 30 yards and panning the camera around just adds to the effect. also do it every day at a different time, but make sure their is some form of pattern to your time, for instance make the number of minutes past 6 oclock equal to the prime series mod 60 Way too much thought has gone into this are you sure _you're_ not part of THE conspiracy!!! Andy
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
* Andy Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Walk down the road wearing a trench coat (preferably black), hat (again black for preference), dark glasses and carrying a video camera. add some form of protective clothing and a mini sattelite dish with leads dissappearing into a satchel for more fun Stopping every 20 to 30 yards and panning the camera around just adds to the effect. also do it every day at a different time, but make sure their is some form of pattern to your time, for instance make the number of minutes past 6 oclock equal to the prime series mod 60 Way too much thought has gone into this are you sure _you're_ not part of THE conspiracy!!! no, otherwise i would of specified to start this with a prime greater than 60 -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-28
This is the nineteenth weekly summary of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the random week starting 2001-05-28, which started off fairly quietly and had 170 messages. Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting is an social meeting on Thursday 7th June which clashes with elections, with location yet to be determined but probably the PO: http://london.pm.org/ James Duncan asked a question which essentially boiled down to the fact that he needed a method to find out if something is blessed, rather than just a reference. Richard Clamp pointed him to Scalar::Util's bless function. Scalar::Util (and List::Util) add useful functions to the Perl language, so check 'em out: http://search.cpan.org/doc/GBARR/Scalar-List-Utils-1.02/lib/Scalar/Util.pm http://search.cpan.org/doc/GBARR/Scalar-List-Utils-1.02/lib/List/Util.pm Dean Wilson annouced a deal by Loki to ship their games for half price if a LUG gets together and orders ten or more copies of a game. Mail him if you're interested: http://www.lokigames.com/ Paul Makepeace asked if there were any frameworks to create classes from a grammar spec (such as EBNF). I pointed out Parse::RecDescent's autotree directive and YAPE, Marcel talked about his data munging framework plan again, everyone insulted the PDF format, and Nicholas Clark spotted a flaw in the new Leon Brocard Drinking Game. So there were lots of ideas but no real answer: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06224.html It was one of those weeks. In other news, whatever happened to the london.pm crazy golf game?, Tie::Hash::Cannabis, PDP 11/73, Amelia, baiting perlmonks, more Foot and Mouth discussion, Pigs In Space, Towel Day, Buffy / Eastenders crossover, pod2man bugs, coming back to london-list from beer (and pulling over a thousand last week), DBD::Illustra, Center of the World, GraphViz::DBI, dns wizardry, Mr Couzens, l337 PERL, yapc::Europe accommodation, Email::Valid, more attribute module announcements by Marcel, and pubs: http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=83309 http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/features/exclusive.shtml http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06297.html http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06249.html pok pok pok, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... isopropyl sethylphosphonofluoridate
Re: Slow disks under linux
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: another tip is to mount the two IDE devices on seperate controllers .. seems to improve things sometimes. Oh Lord, yes. More busses than London General. No, really. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 02:32:58PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: whistles for quick HD access turned to 'off' .. I tripled the transfer rate on my slaptop by turning DMA and other stuff on ... and it didn;t explode like the manpage said it might. I caved and upgraded to 2.4.5, something I dislike doing with Debian. 2.4.x has better gfx card AGP support. Anyway, there is an option CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y and CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y which *still* don't have udma switched on with the drives. Oh well. Is there an agreed-upon place to perform the hdparm shenanigans during boot? I would imagine early on... OK, getting more esoteric now -- is anyone running dual monitors? I finally got my G450 running with KDE2 but the window manager doesn't add decoration to the windows on the 2ndary monitor, i.e. I can't move windows and they don't get mouse focus. Paul -- Slow preparation, fast execution
LAMP in Amsterdam anyone?
http://www.jobserve.com/jobserve/JobDetail.asp?jobid=14094948
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 08:12:30AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: OK, getting more esoteric now -- is anyone running dual monitors? I finally got my G450 running with KDE2 but the window manager doesn't add decoration to the windows on the 2ndary monitor, i.e. I can't move windows and they don't get mouse focus. You might need to run a 2nd copy of kwin, like this: % kwin -- display :0.1 Try that and see if it works... -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
OK, getting more esoteric now -- is anyone running dual monitors? I
finally got my G450 running with KDE2 but the window manager doesn't add
decoration to the windows on the 2ndary monitor, i.e. I can't move
windows and they don't get mouse focus.
Are you using xinerama (i.e. so your monitors are spliced together into
one display?) E (still 0.15.5...) runs fine with this[1] on my G400 and
XFree86 4.0 (with dem beta drivers)
Later.
Mark.
[1] Actually sometimes it moves a windows I'm resizing on my secondary
monitor onto my first, but that's only once in a very blue moon.
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s'' Mark Fowler London.pm Bath.pm
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Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 04:26:14PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: You might need to run a 2nd copy of kwin, like this: % kwin -- display :0.1 (--display) Try that and see if it works... Yes! Thanks. Now to get it to start like that on its own... It's very weird re-learning X after nearly a decade since I last properly used it. KDE2's Konqueror browser is really, really impressive. Wow! Seems quicker and less crashy than Mozilla. Now if only it played Flash and Quicktime movies... Paul -- From nothing to more than nothing
Re: LAMP in Amsterdam anyone?
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.jobserve.com/jobserve/JobDetail.asp?jobid=14094948 I've already sent in a CV for that one. Agent seemed a little perturbed when I guessed who it was after his (short) description of what the client did. -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 04:41:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: Are you using xinerama (i.e. so your monitors are spliced together into one display?) No, it's KDE2 which seems to split them into separate desktops. The mouse moves between them as though they're one but I can't drag windows back forth (no loss, really). The Matrox Windows drivers are much better -- graphical arbitrary relative positioning of the 2nd monitor. E (still 0.15.5...) Talking of E check out these bus modes: # hdparm -i /dev/hda | tail -1 DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 # Paul
Re: LAMP in Amsterdam anyone?
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.jobserve.com/jobserve/JobDetail.asp?jobid=14094948 I've already sent in a CV for that one. Agent seemed a little perturbed when I guessed who it was after his (short) description of what the client did. Sheesh, I am bumping up against you for all the short-term, hacky perl gigs? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 08:42:50AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 04:26:14PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: You might need to run a 2nd copy of kwin, like this: % kwin -- display :0.1 (--display) Sorry, saw that after I posted... Why don't spell checkers understand Unix? :-) Try that and see if it works... Yes! Thanks. Now to get it to start like that on its own... It's very weird re-learning X after nearly a decade since I last properly used it. KDE2's Konqueror browser is really, really impressive. Wow! Seems quicker and less crashy than Mozilla. Now if only it played Flash and Quicktime movies... Konqueror should be able to use any standard netscape plugins, such as the flash plugin. You're probably out of luck with the quicktime movies though. I'd like to tell you how to get the flash plugin working, but I couldn't because it's a Linux .so and can't be linked in to my FreeBSD konqueror. :-( -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 08:47:28AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 04:41:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: Are you using xinerama (i.e. so your monitors are spliced together into one display?) No, it's KDE2 which seems to split them into separate desktops. The mouse moves between them as though they're one but I can't drag windows back forth (no loss, really). The Matrox Windows drivers are much better -- graphical arbitrary relative positioning of the 2nd monitor. The monitor layout should be controllable from the XF86Config file. Somehow. I haven't tried this though. RTFM. -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: Slow disks under linux
Dominic Mitchell wrote: I'd like to tell you how to get the flash plugin working, but I couldn't because it's a Linux .so and can't be linked in to my FreeBSD konqueror. :-( There's an OpenSource version written by Olivier Debon. It's not as good as the official one but it's better than a kick in the tits with a wet haddock. http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/ -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 04:55:12PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: The monitor layout should be controllable from the XF86Config file. Somehow. I haven't tried this though. RTFM. I have, Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen Primary Screen Secondary LeftOf Primary InputDevice Generic Keyboard InputDevice Configured Mouse EndSection What I really meant was Windows allows me to point-and-drool the 2ndary monitor around and change the res and position on the fly rather than having to restart X. Its cute graphic also shows the relative monitor sizes -- which is actually depressing because it illustrates just how much bigger better the $1600 21 monitor (2048x1536, and usable) is over a $400 21 (1280x1024, struggling to manage 80Hz) :-/ Paul
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
I have,
Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen Primary
Screen Secondary LeftOf Primary InputDevice Generic Keyboard
InputDevice Configured Mouse EndSection
Look, look, bad Text::Autoformat setup. I suck. Anyway..
And I have
Section ServerLayout
Identifier another layout
Screen Primary
Screen Secondary RightOf Primary
InputDevice Mouse1 CorePointer
InputDevice Keyboard1 CoreKeyboard
EndSection
You really only have to change LeftOf and RightOf to switch the monitors
around (which I did last time I moved desk as I went from having one
monitor to the left of the primary console monitor to having one monitor
to the right.)
You can't do that in Windows. Ha.
--
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Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 05:41:45PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen Primary Screen Secondary LeftOf Primary InputDevice Generic Keyboard InputDevice Configured Mouse EndSection Look, look, bad Text::Autoformat setup. I suck. Anyway.. Wait 'til you have 'X' at the end of a sentence! Or e.g. or something. It gets Microsoftly clever. And I have Section ServerLayout Identifier another layout Screen Primary Screen Secondary RightOf Primary InputDevice Mouse1 CorePointer InputDevice Keyboard1 CoreKeyboard EndSection You really only have to change LeftOf and RightOf to switch the monitors around (which I did last time I moved desk as I went from having one monitor to the left of the primary console monitor to having one monitor to the right.) You can't do that in Windows. Ha. Can too! You can have the 2nd one in any orientation at all to the 1st, 1400 pixels to the left, 1000 above, with a 1024x768 screen. *And* you can do all this without restarting your window manager.. Not that I like Windows or anything :) Paul
Re: Slow disks under linux
On 31/05/2001 at 17:41 +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: You really only have to change LeftOf and RightOf to switch the monitors around (which I did last time I moved desk as I went from having one monitor to the left of the primary console monitor to having one monitor to the right.) You can't do that in Windows. Ha. Are you sure? Anyway, you've been able to do multiple monitors in Mac OS since 6 point something tiny. With as many monitors as you can get cards for (theoretically, I think there are ways of doing about 20.) And all with an idiotproof pointy clicky interface. Ha ha. And it copes when you make a laptop go from dual-head back to running on the internal screen- all the windows just move back. (Under OS 9, anyway.) Aha ha ha! Sorry. I'll drink some more Unix kool aid in a minute. -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Re: Slow disks under linux
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 04:41:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: Are you using xinerama (i.e. so your monitors are spliced together into one display?) No, it's KDE2 which seems to split them into separate desktops. The mouse moves between them as though they're one but I can't drag windows back forth (no loss, really). The Matrox Windows drivers are much better -- graphical arbitrary relative positioning of the 2nd monitor. I'm still waiting for someone to finally get support for my ATI Mobilty r128 sorted out still cant have the 2nd monitor or tvout stuff working under Linux .. does under windoze though ... and ATI reckon to provide oodles of assistance to the Linux community so it should happen soon i hope. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Slow disks under linux
KDE2's Konqueror browser is really, really impressive. Wow! Seems quicker and less crashy than Mozilla. Now if only it played Flash and Quicktime movies... Mine does flash...
Re: Decompression
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Dean wrote: Question for the unix people on the list. I have an archive that's gzipped up and contains either a number of small files or a single large file. What's the easiest way to extract any given file? It has to use core modules and anyone with a sample script can earn a pint ;) Also for future reference does any one know a better way to do this than Compress::Zlib, core or non-core. I suppose # tar -xzf [archivename] [filename/that/you.want] is too easy .. I'm missing something again aren't I? -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Decompression
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 06:56:21PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: Also for future reference does any one know a better way to do this than Compress::Zlib, core or non-core. I suppose # tar -xzf [archivename] [filename/that/you.want] is too easy .. I'm missing something again aren't I? Sorry, my bad. I'd like to be able to do the whole thing without shelling out. I'm currently using something similar your example in the script and it works but I'd rather use something in perl so i don't have to worry about external locations or even OS (Zlib should work on Windows. I think) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: Decompression
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 06:28:44PM +0100, Dean wrote: Question for the unix people on the list. I have an archive that's gzipped up and contains either a number of small files or a single large file. Umm, *strokes beard* by archive you mean tar file, right? If so then Archive::Tar looks likely, and it even automagically deals with .gz files via Compress::Zlib (or so it says in the readme) What's the easiest way to extract any given file? It has to use core modules and anyone with a sample script can earn a pint ;) No non-core modules though? Can't you just create a local lib path with Archive::Tar in it and say you didn't cheat? -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forthcoming Meetings
On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 02:09:56PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Technical Meeting: Thursday 21st June Need a venue for this please people. And speakers. If any speakers want to practise TPC or YAPC::E talks, then this might be a good time to do it. Sure, I'd like to do Itcpbug as a teaching tool as a 5-minute thingy. Also assuming Mark doesn't bonk me over the head we'll do IWax::On Wax::Off - A Discussion of Cognitive Transfer Techniques As Taken From Mr Miyagi's Dojo, which is 25 minutes, with projector, audio and a brandy glass full of brown MMs. Now to write the thing, rather than just playing with magicpoint. -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: crazy golf
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: What ever happened to the london.pm crazy golf game? I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. /J\
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Attribute::Overload 0.02
Note that you can't overload constants this way, since this has to happen during BEGIN time, but attributes are only evaluated at CHECK time (at least as far as `Attribute::Handlers' is concerned). Not so. At least not as of the next release. Grab the beta from: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/CPAN/Attribute-Handlers.tar.gz and look in the pod under Phase-specific attribute handlers. ;-) Damian
Re: crazy golf
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. If you book it, they will come. -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bad greg
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Chris Ball wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:27:19AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain name registry with a neat web based management system for handling the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the url? 123-reg.co.uk is my favourite at the moment.. I found gandi.net to be the nicest for TLDs, most of my IRL friends use them. A. -- A HREF = http://termisoc.org/~betty; Betty @ termisoc.org /A As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal Navy. (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)
Re: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Leo Lapworth wrote: You might want to check out: Arron's Autodia - http://autodia.cuckoo.org/ It's not quite at the stage I think you are after but I've lost track of what it can and can't do. Last I heard they were putting it up to be an candidate in the elections (actually, it's probably more intelligent than one of them!). Though the DB stuff might have been a conversation about GraphViz.. woo.. so many choices :) hmm... SQL to Dia. Shouldn't be too hard to add the only issue would be which shapes to use, I've never drawn a database scheme in Dia - anybody care to reccomend some shapes and how they shoudl map to stuff - then I'll code some DB handling magic into autodia. btw - the current version of autodia (0.9) now handles c++ (if its very simple) and perl (extracts *most* info) and has lots of lovelly commad line options. A. -- A HREF = http://termisoc.org/~betty; Betty @ termisoc.org /A As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal Navy. (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)
Re: SQL statements to DB Schema (dia ?)
Aaron Trevena wrote: On Wed, 30 May 2001, Leo Lapworth wrote: You might want to check out: Arron's Autodia - http://autodia.cuckoo.org/ It's not quite at the stage I think you are after but I've lost track of what it can and can't do. Last I heard they were putting it up to be an candidate in the elections (actually, it's probably more intelligent than one of them!). Though the DB stuff might have been a conversation about GraphViz.. woo.. so many choices :) hmm... SQL to Dia. Shouldn't be too hard to add the only issue would be which shapes to use, I've never drawn a database scheme in Dia - anybody care to reccomend some shapes and how they shoudl map to stuff - then I'll code some DB handling magic into autodia. Look at the ER shapes. paul btw - the current version of autodia (0.9) now handles c++ (if its very simple) and perl (extracts *most* info) and has lots of lovelly commad line options. A. -- A HREF = http://termisoc.org/~betty; Betty @ termisoc.org /A As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal Navy. (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me) -- Paul Sharpe Tel: +44 (20) 7407 5557 Miraclefish Ltd. Fax: +44 (20) 7378 8711 Studio 12 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 37 Tanner Street http://www.miraclefish.com/ London SE1 3LF UNITED KINGDOM
Re: l337
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 10:28:25AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: my name is jon i have installed an irc client on my linux shell account can u tell me where the c00lest irc places are like what server and channel and stuff u all use so i can learn PERL and hacking and stuff from l337 ppl like all u are. tx!! hey dude, check out ... irc.rhizomatic.net london.rhizomatic.net join #london.pm and meet lots of hot chix who you can ask a/s/l to and ask if they have any war3z or pr0n laterz, z3R0 c0o1 CHOPS. DHA l33tr n u... -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ A feature is often a bug with seniority.- Chip Salzenberg
