Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-11
On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 04:41:56PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: In other news: Microsoft SQL Server sucking (SQueaL), Sun Ultra Enterprise 1, google++, the Sony Clie being small and cute, checking out pubs for the next meet, buffy, search.cpan.org being hacked (Catalog module apparently), 'back doors' in Linux, obnoxious sigs: and a geeknic with an inflatable penguin: http://www.tpc.org/tpch/results/h-ttperf.idc http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/ http://buffy.slayers.co.uk/ShowStrip.asp?CS=1 http://homepage.tinet.ie/~cullenm/2dart/regi.jpg http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06738.html http://husk.org/lndn/circ/compat/DSCF0102.jpg Regarding the CLIE, I found a cool toy today: JogEverything. It needs hackmaster, but it makes the otherwise useless wheel actually do something useful in most apps: http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=11560 -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-04
From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] whether there were any Masai tribespeople on the list. Anyone? Anyone? reminds me of that Reggie Perrin snippet .. 'Is there anyone here from Tarporley ...' I dunno .. maybe I'm getting old. pass the earwig would you please... /Robert
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-04
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] whether there were any Masai tribespeople on the list. Anyone? Anyone? reminds me of that Reggie Perrin snippet .. 'Is there anyone here from Tarporley ...' I dunno .. maybe I'm getting old. pass the earwig would you please... I didn't get where I am today by saying 'earwig' instead of 'thank you' -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-04
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:25:17AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I didn't get where I am today by saying 'earwig' instead of 'thank you' Might it've helped? P
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-04
On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: whether there were any Masai tribespeople on the list. Anyone? Anyone? reminds me of that Reggie Perrin snippet .. 'Is there anyone here from Tarporley ...' I dunno .. maybe I'm getting old. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21
At 14:31 25/05/2001, Leon Brocard wrote: Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether: there is also an unofficial technical meet for practicing TPC talks on Saturday from noon at state51: Just to confirm, this is still on. state51 is at 8-10 rhoda street, london e2 7ef: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?P2M?P=E27EFZ=1 See you there, Leon It seems I have Important Stuff To Do and therefore won't be there. Have fun. Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perl Training in the UK http://www.iterative-software.com/training/
Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
- Original Message - From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21) So a program of vaccination and slaughter to erradicate the disease will firstly benefit the tourist industry and then also the meat market. Not that I am a big fan of farmers or the countryside alliance types (and that is being generous) but I think it would be the best solution all round. Ooo ar. No, because the sheer amount of fuss made over FM clobbered the tourist industry- possibly for years, although this is admittely anecdotal and predictive- whereas if we'd quietly vaccinated, accepted no meat exports for a year Or until there were no vaccinated or infected animals left in the UK, whichever came later. ...and then let the farming industry get back on its feet, we'd not have had to kill *three million* animals, and poison water, and close footpaths, and the tourist industry wouldn't have suffered the way it has over the last couple of months. So, why insist on the 'slaughter' bit? Good idea, maybe a polite memo should have been sent to the all the tabloids asking them to keep quiet about it :-)
FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
Redvers Davies writes: About that flyer... FMD presents no risks to humans but is a serious threat to animal health. That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, the MAFF slaughters are. I'm not taking sides about whether the slaughters are justified. Here, though, are the facts about the disease. FMD causes painful suppurating blisters around the mouth and on the hooves of animals. The blisters break open after a few days and become infected sores up to six cm in size. While the disease cause a higher death rate amoung young animals, it rarely kills adults. However, it makes them lame, unable to eat, and ill. The mouth lesions heal, but in many cases the hoofs can separate from the soft tissue around them. There are no cures or treatments. It's an incredibly hardy virus that spreads easily and exists in many strains. Recovered animals can carry the virus for up to three years, and are generally only immune to reinfection from the same strain for 1-3 years. You can see pictures of the progress of the disease at: http://svs.mri.sari.ac.uk/FandMinx.htm In countries where the virus is endemic, veterinarians must vaccinate at regular intervals. The vaccines only offer protection for a short period of time, are expensive, and in some cases contain live viruses that may infect the animals. Sources: http://www.agric.gov.ab.ca/livestock/fmd/ http://svs.mri.sari.ac.uk/NewsFM.htm http://school.discovery.com/homeworkhelp/worldbook/atozscience/f/203700.html http://www.up.ac.za/academic/veterinary/fmd/ Nat
Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
In countries where the virus is endemic, veterinarians must vaccinate at regular intervals. The vaccines only offer protection for a short period of time, are expensive, and in some cases contain live viruses that may infect the animals. Added to this, it is almost (completely?) impossible to trade meat with countries when you have vaccinated the animals. Vaccinated animals can still carry the disease and other countries obviously do not want to get it. Vaccination is part of a larger solution which still involves culling infected animals, and *also* animals that have been vaccinated againsed the infection.
Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
On 25/05/2001 at 15:08 +0100, will wrote: In countries where the virus is endemic, veterinarians must vaccinate at regular intervals. The vaccines only offer protection for a short period of time, are expensive, and in some cases contain live viruses that may infect the animals. Added to this, it is almost (completely?) impossible to trade meat with countries when you have vaccinated the animals. Vaccinated animals can still carry the disease and other countries obviously do not want to get it. Vaccination is part of a larger solution which still involves culling infected animals, and *also* animals that have been vaccinated againsed the infection. The massive British export meat market was worth... 300 million UKP last year. Tourism makes billions. The British rural economy could survive with no exported meat. -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Re: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
On 25/05/2001 at 15:40 +0100, will wrote: The massive British export meat market was worth... 300 million UKP last year. Tourism makes billions. The British rural economy could survive with no exported meat. So a program of vaccination and slaughter to erradicate the disease will firstly benefit the tourist industry and then also the meat market. Not that I am a big fan of farmers or the countryside alliance types (and that is being generous) but I think it would be the best solution all round. Ooo ar. No, because the sheer amount of fuss made over FM clobbered the tourist industry- possibly for years, although this is admittely anecdotal and predictive- whereas if we'd quietly vaccinated, accepted no meat exports for a year, and then let the farming industry get back on its feet, we'd not have had to kill *three million* animals, and poison water, and close footpaths, and the tourist industry wouldn't have suffered the way it has over the last couple of months. So, why insist on the 'slaughter' bit? -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
RE: FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
From: will Of course we could just build a super-gun (a-la iraq) and shoot bloated carcasses at Redmond. This is my favouite idea. Pigs In Space Rob --- Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of IBNet Plc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 04:25:43PM +, Redvers Davies wrote: That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, the MAFF slaughters are. There was me thinking the threat to animal health was the six inch bolt that gets driven thru' their skulls and ultimately them being wrapped in polystyrene and put on a cold shelf in Sainsbury's... Paul
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21
On Fri, 25 May 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 04:25:43PM +, Redvers Davies wrote: That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, the MAFF slaughters are. There was me thinking the threat to animal health was the six inch bolt that gets driven thru' their skulls and ultimately them being wrapped in polystyrene and put on a cold shelf in Sainsbury's... indeed. there's one thing I can honestly say is 'nothing to do with me guvnor'[1] [1] err apart from my motorcycle leathers .. and I was intending wearing them, not eating em. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21
http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf About that flyer... FMD presents no risks to humans but is a serious threat to animal health. That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, the MAFF slaughters are.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21
Redvers Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf About that flyer... FMD presents no risks to humans but is a serious threat to animal health. That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, the MAFF slaughters are. Well, up to a point. Dramatic reduction in yield + high chance of infertility == significant (indirect) risk to animal's health. -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Redvers Davies wrote: http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf About that flyer... FMD presents no risks to humans but is a serious threat to animal health. That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, the MAFF slaughters are. and its worth remembering that this is a disease so serious that, now they've started lloking a bit harder, it appears that it had been around for a few months before anyone spotted it .. and many sheep and pigs had caught it and got better *without anyone even noticing* ... now .. thats what I call a serious disease. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Piers Cawley wrote: Redvers Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf About that flyer... FMD presents no risks to humans but is a serious threat to animal health. That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, the MAFF slaughters are. Well, up to a point. Dramatic reduction in yield 10% ... and what with a massive milk production surplus ( as demonstrated by the ever increasing price of milk licences) and the rock bottom price for sheep .. both pointers to massive over production that a 10% loss in yield would help address. + high chance of infertility == significant (indirect) risk to animal's health. irrelevant. The majority of the animals bred are eaten long before they get chance to breed themselves. on the plus side, a large number of farmers have used the generous MAFF payouts to convert from hill sheep farming to other more profitable schemes. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 06:00:53PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Redvers Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf About that flyer... FMD presents no risks to humans but is a serious threat to animal health. That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, the MAFF slaughters are. Well, up to a point. Dramatic reduction in yield + high chance of infertility == significant (indirect) risk to animal's health. Reduction in yield is not a threat to the animal's health. The infertility is temporary. It's interesting that farmers in north wales were getting ten quid a head for lambs las tyear, but are getting a hundred and twenty quid a head from the govt when they;re slaughtered now. Makes you think doesn't it. Who has a vested interest in the disease spreading? -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our most advanced operating system in the world which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-14
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:21:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Now all I have to do is not volunteer for the p5p summary, Leon You're a marked man, you realise? -- If that makes any sense to you, you have a big problem. -- C. Durance, Computer Science 234
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-07
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 05:30:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Paul Mison wrote a quick thanks / report of the London.pm - New York trip, with links to photos: And seconds too late I put my photos online: http://www.unixbeard.net/~richardc/Photos/ It's all the photos that have ever passed through my camera, so don't go saying rude things about my nan. -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-07
http://www.unixbeard.net/~richardc/Photos/2001-04-30/2001-04-30.14:42:51.jpe g heh: http://www.snurfer.org/sands/gfx/vertigo.jpg Did your palms sweat too, richard? -- matt | CHOPS
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-07
Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.snurfer.org/sands/gfx/vertigo.jpg Did your palms sweat too, richard? That slightly golden building is the Millennium hotel. I had a room on the 54th floor. Lovely view :-) -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-30
On 03/05/2001 at 13:56 +0100, Leon Brocard wrote parenthetically: some of London.pm were over in NYC - is anyone going to write a report? Yes, eventually; I sent a message about this earlier but forgot to mung the sender address so it'll need approving (Mr Stowe?) but the plan is photos and some text at some point. -- :: paul :: how fickle fate can be
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-30
On Thu, 3 May 2001, Paul Mison wrote: On 03/05/2001 at 13:56 +0100, Leon Brocard wrote parenthetically: some of London.pm were over in NYC - is anyone going to write a report? Yes, eventually; I sent a message about this earlier but forgot to mung the sender address so it'll need approving (Mr Stowe?) Done. /J\
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-30
Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether: I missed the mention that london-list may be moving to london.pm.org at some point. There's no point in mentioning it again until it happens, surely. So, when's it gonna happen list-meisters? Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... It's tourist season in Florida, bag limit two.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-23
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 02:05:38PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Jon Galliers asked about naming a file correctly when downloading from a CGI. Niklas Nordebo and Merijn Broeren provided solutions: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04654.html Doh! We entirely missed this: http://www.mysql.com/news/article-57.html Which links to (not sure if it's working right now): http://technet.oracle.com/tech/migration/index.htm Apparently Oracle do have a toolkit for migrating from MySQL. -Dom
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-23
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 02:17:01PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Doh! We entirely missed this: http://www.mysql.com/news/article-57.html That's an amusing read! 'spos it legitimises us, but, but! Which links to (not sure if it's working right now): http://technet.oracle.com/tech/migration/index.htm Apparently Oracle do have a toolkit for migrating from MySQL. They indeed do! And no spritely thing is it, Omwb_13100.tar.gz (62,918,457 bytes) That's so impressively big I guess I'll have to set up a full MySQL hack just to test it :) Paul
Re: [london-list-summary] London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-23
Leon Brocard writes: Registration has opened for this year's Perl Conference in San Diego. It's gonna be a great conference - the talks all look excellent (thanks gnat!) You're welcome. I'm going to give a lightning talk at YAPC or TPC about just what a clusterfuck it was this year. Many swearwords. If I had more balls I'd do performance art in my lightning talks. My God, cover your eyes Mary! The angry man's shooting up with his own faeces! Nat
Re: [london-list-summary] London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-23
Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Leon Brocard writes: Registration has opened for this year's Perl Conference in San Diego. It's gonna be a great conference - the talks all look excellent (thanks gnat!) You're welcome. I'm going to give a lightning talk at YAPC or TPC about just what a clusterfuck it was this year. Many swearwords. If I had more balls I'd do performance art in my lightning talks. My God, cover your eyes Mary! The angry man's shooting up with his own faeces! I think there's definitely scope for a bile track at any conference. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16 (Attempt 2)
Leon Brocard wrote: Leon, who didn't get as many points snowboarding than he does in SSX. Somehow falling hurts more... *cough* Deja-Angst : http://www.inktank.com/index.cfm?toon=02-26-01
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16 (Attempt 2)
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: Deja-Angst : http://www.inktank.com/index.cfm?toon=02-26-01 Hmmm, that came out on my birthday. I think it's a Sign... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16 (Attempt 2)
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-16: Gosh, that was a hard week to summarise. Thanks Simon! Back to me next week... Leon, who didn't get as many points snowboarding than he does in SSX. Somehow falling hurts more... -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... To err is human, to forgive... $5.00
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16 (Attempt 2)
Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: segwayed I dont think so Simon ... Neither did I. But i was tired. /me waves hands vaguely
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-16: Greg McCarroll asked about online brokers, Robert and :) Tony
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16
Simon Wistow wrote: This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London *cough* Frscking, sucking, send shortcuts in netscape. Apologies.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: Simon Wistow wrote: This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London ^^ *cough* Frscking, sucking, send shortcuts in netscape. Apologies. I guess it was inevitable really /J\
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-16: Greg McCarroll asked about online brokers, Robert and *GUNSHOT* *queue eastenders theme track* ( or dallas if you really want ) voice_over Tune in next week to find out who shot Simon! Was it a Randal? Was it the father of his ex-girlfriend? Was it a crazed YAPC::Europe organiser remembering the aniversary of PIMB fiasco? /voice_over -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-16: Greg McCarroll asked about online brokers, Robert and *GUNSHOT* *queue eastenders theme track* ( or dallas if you really want ) voice_over Tune in next week to find out who shot Simon! Was it a Randal? Was it the father of his ex-girlfriend? Was it a crazed YAPC::Europe organiser remembering the aniversary of PIMB fiasco? /voice_over Oh don't start that again. I had enough of that last time round. Later. Mark Fowler.
Re: perlcert list?
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Is it me or is the perlcert list dead? I've not seen any messages for days and one I tried now just vanished? Er no. You appear to have sent thed message from an account that is not subscribed. I have approved the message now, I was a little busy yesterday. /J\
Re: perlcert list?
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Is it me or is the perlcert list dead? I've not seen any messages for days and one I tried now just vanished? Er no. You appear to have sent thed message from an account that is not subscribed. I have approved the message now, I was a little busy yesterday. i've got the only action point at the minute, and by life is a little bit chaotic just now - due to work -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-09
From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:00 PM The social meeting last week was a lot of fun, if a little crazy. However, we really need to start organising the meetings (hey, even Lonix is more organised!), as it was too loud and crowded: Not sure I like the idea of 'organised' social meetings. Sounds a bit too 'SPUG' to me. However, I'm quite happy to listen to any alternative opinions. Note that you can now subscribe just to this summary, if you don't want the hassle of tons of london-list mail but still want to keep up: http://www.astray.com/mailman/listinfo/london-list-summary Have you submitted this to the Perl mailing lists list at http://lists.perl.org? Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-09
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:00:16PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: crazy. However, we really need to start organising the meetings (hey, even Lonix is more organised!), as it was too loud and crowded: You have a weird idea of organized ;) We tried to get 60 people into 30 places... Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-09
From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:39 PM dcross - David Cross sent the following bits through the ether: Not sure I like the idea of 'organised' social meetings. Sounds a bit too 'SPUG' to me. However, I'm quite happy to listen to any alternative opinions. Well, we *could* have a formal agenda for the social meeting, starting off my voting in the new social meeting committee, and voting for how many beers we will drink in the first hour (and what muffins to supply)... BUT: :) We have to book a room. Not doing so is silly, considering 30 or so people turned up and we only had one table. I blame mstevens ;-) Where will the next social be? Book the room now! Booking a room is a good idea, but whenever we've tried this before pubs have been loathe to give space to such a small group. David Cantrell once wasted most of an afternoon calling pubs. If anyone has any suggestions for venues that would allow us to book a room, please let us know. If anyone wants to volunteer to try to organise this for next month then I'm sure we'll all be very grateful. Blaming mstevens is a good idea too. He's gone very quiet. I reckon he's embarassed :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-09
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:17:37PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:00 PM The social meeting last week was a lot of fun, if a little crazy. However, we really need to start organising the meetings (hey, even Lonix is more organised!), as it was too loud and crowded: Not sure I like the idea of 'organised' social meetings. Sounds a bit too 'SPUG' to me. However, I'm quite happy to listen to any alternative opinions. SPUG don't have organised social meetings, every meeting is a technical meeting. I think what Leon was refering to, was getting organised of finding a good reliable venue. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary (list!)
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether: This is the eleventh of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-02: I've been asked repeatedly (mostly by Pete Berlin ;-) to set up a seperate list for the london-list weekly summary. That is, for those of you who want to keep up with London.pm, but don't necessarily want hundreds of mails a day. You can now do this, by subscribing to london-list-summary: http://www.astray.com/mailman/listinfo/london-list-summary Note that I'll still post the summary to london-list (for now at least). HTH, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... isopropyl sethylphosphonofluoridate
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary (list!)
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 12:41:56PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Note that I'll still post the summary to london-list (for now at least). Why should you stop? You *can't* be worried about the traffic! :-) dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Hat! Hat! Hat! - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-02
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:36:22AM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Martin Ling delurked and couldn't believe we were all nutters and Buffy fans. David Adler added "drunks". Jonathan Stowe added "skateboarders, musicians". Lucy McWilliam (who has very amusing taglines) added "geeks, goths, jugglers, Netscis. And that's just me". Paul Makepeace added "unicyclist". Greg McCarroll added "drunk crazy buffy fans". Surely that last is a clarification, not an addition. pedhant -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ "There is a thin line between genius and insanity - I have erased that line." - Oscar Levant
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-05
On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 11:47:47AM +, Leon Brocard wrote: realised that this makes three consecutive weeks with conferences this summer that I want to go to: O'Reilly's Open Source Convention, yapc::Europe, and HAL2001. I threw together a quick-reference page for conferences I'd *like* to get to (assuming Many Worlds): http://www.oxlug.org/majorevents.html It doesn't fill 52 weeks of the year - yet:-) Currently I'm trying to round up some international speakers - and sponsorship - for: http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2001/CFP.shtml (Last year more than half the speakers came from abroad.) Alasdair -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-05
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Alasdair G Kergon wrote: Oops sorry about that - I approved this twice :( Too long a break I would suggest ... /J\
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 07:45:54PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: And finally, it appears that Schwern, Michael is an Alien Drag Queen: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03105.html http://us.imdb.com/Title?0103645 Excellent, Trevor McDonald style "And finally" wrap-up to the news! jp ps - For an extra point, what show had an impression of Trevor McDonald called "Trevor McDoughnut"?
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19
From: "James Powell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps - For an extra point, what show had an impression of Trevor McDonald called "Trevor McDoughnut"? Trevor McDoughnut is/was a Lenny Henry character - so it was probably Three of a Kind (remember that?), or another programme with Lenny H. in it. For another point, who were the other two 'comedians' in Three of a Kind? And, for half a point, to whom is Lenny Henry married? Andrew.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19
At 05:25 23/03/2001 -0500, Dave Cross wrote: For even more points: What was the first TV show the Lenny Henry appeared on? Dave... Tiswas ! Actually - I think this was where McDoughnut first appeared ? Simon.
RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19
For even more points: What was the first TV show the Lenny Henry appeared on? Ironically for "right-on" Lenny, it was The Black And White Minstrel Show. Ph3@r my Lenny Henry trivia skills! -- matt "'scuse me trooper, will you be needing any packets today? hey, baby, don't be pulling on my socket, okay?"
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19
Dave Cross wrote: For even more points: What was the first TV show the Lenny Henry appeared on? Black and White Minstrel show IIRC . Although I think he was a on a couple of talent shows first.
RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19
At Fri, 23 Mar 2001 05:31:25 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:30:19 -, Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For even more points: What was the first TV show the Lenny Henry appeared on? Ironically for "right-on" Lenny, it was The Black And White Minstrel Show. Hmm... now you've gone and made me doubt myself. I thought it was New Faces. According to http://members.tripod.com/~cmarshall/lenny.html, I'm right. New Faces was first, then The Fosters and Tiswas and only later, The Black White Minstrel Show. Dave...
RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19
Ironically for "right-on" Lenny, it was The Black And White Minstrel Show. Hmm... now you've gone and made me doubt myself. I thought it was New Faces. http://homepages.go.com/~chefjunkie/Lennysnotlaughing.html http://ayup.co.uk/gods/gods0-4.html Search for "Minstrel". Okay, so he was a token black guy without a major role, but I *think* he appeared there first. Interestingly, IMDB dewclines to mention the Minstrel show appearance *at all*. -- matt "'scuse me trooper, will you be needing any packets today? hey, baby, don't be pulling on my socket, okay?"
Re: Mailing list details
At Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:52:33 -, "Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking for the mailing list subscription details on our london.pm.org website, and thought they were a bit hidden down on the "what we've done" page. I think they should probably be more prominent, probably on the home page. Or are we trying to maintain our exclusivity :-) Exclusivity! Take a good look round next time you're at a meeting and tell me how exclusive you think we are :) But, yes, I have _lots_ of ideas for a revamp of the web site. I might even have time to do it some time this year. Dave...
Re: Mailing list details
Dave Cross [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: * *Exclusivity! Take a good look round next time you're at a meeting and *tell me how exclusive you think we are :) * *But, yes, I have _lots_ of ideas for a revamp of the web site. I might *even have time to do it some time this year. There is also a mongers category on the lists.cpan.org page should you care to list it. e.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:02:04PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: a picture of him drinking a beer from the London.pm website. Misparse! Misparse! Misparse! -- We use Linux for all our mission-critical applications. Having the source code means that we are not held hostage by anyone's support department. (Russell Nelson, President of Crynwr Software)
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12
Leo Lapworth was trying to debug something with Devel::DProf and
couldn't understand why BEGIN was called more than once. Robert Price
and Mark Fowler pointed out that 'use Module LIST' is exactly
equivalent to 'BEGIN { require Module; import Module LIST; }', so the
module was being use-d in multiple places, which is fine:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02667.html
Did I? It's not you know. You forgot this bit of the perldoc -f use as
well:
If you don't want your namespace altered,
explicitly supply an empty list:
use Module ();
That is exactly equivalent to
BEGIN { require Module }
i.e. that use Module and use Module() are ne.
Later.
Mark.
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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12
Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream
That's not right. MIMEs do type/format (e.g. image/gif.) So it'd more
likely be:
Content-type: beer/guinness
Later.
Mark.
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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:19:54PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream Isn't that what happens in the bogs of Penderels Oak? -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is a signature. There are many like it but this one is mine. ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important ** PGP signature
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:39:12PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:19:54PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream Isn't that what happens in the bogs of Penderels Oak? Is it just me who has noticed the similarities between the bogs of Penderels Oak and the TARDIS? Yes. Definitely. Just you. None of the rest of us has noticed anything odd at all. (phew) Roger
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:19:54PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:18:09PM +, Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:02:04PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: a picture of him drinking a beer from the London.pm website. Misparse! Misparse! Misparse! Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream For the unenlightened, please consult the standards document: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/htbin/rfc/rfc1437.html Note that the example given has unfortunately been replicated too many times already. -Dom
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-26
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: Well ladies and germs, time for London Perl Mongers mailing list summary numero seven for the week starting 2001-02-26. Great! Many thanks to Simon! Let's all buy him a beer at the weekly london.pm meet ;-) Leon is away talking at the German Perl Workshop so anything that goes wrong with this is, as per usual, my fault. It was fun. I met lots of people. People met me and gave me lots of crazy ideas. Inline is cool. My german is better now. We drank Perl wine. It was very organised and very groovy indeed. More soon. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... You are in a twisty little maze of Unix versions, all different
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-26
Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This summary has been bought to you by the letters Alpha, Beta and Gamma, the numbers 1,3,5,7 all superimposed and the colour Octarine. and 2, please 2, it'll keep me happy, then we can discuss if 1 is a prime number, ples I propose that 1 be prime if, and only if, 1 is not prime. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-26
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This summary has been bought to you by the letters Alpha, Beta and Gamma, the numbers 1,3,5,7 all superimposed and the colour Octarine. and 2, please 2, it'll keep me happy, then we can discuss if 1 is a prime number, ples I propose that 1 be prime if, and only if, 1 is not prime. No, definetly not. The partial set of prime numbers increases over the journey through integers. 1 is the logical starting point, and so it is added. This is the very spirit of primality. However this may be the rantings of a madman, it's just i feel like a jockey sometimes as i ride the sequence of prime numbers, jumping each new one and then feeling their occurence decrease. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-26
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This summary has been bought to you by the letters Alpha, Beta and Gamma, the numbers 1,3,5,7 all superimposed and the colour Octarine. and 2, please 2, it'll keep me happy, then we can discuss if 1 is a prime number, ples I propose that 1 be prime if, and only if, 1 is not prime. No, definetly not. The partial set of prime numbers increases over the journey through integers. 1 is the logical starting point, and so it is added. This is the very spirit of primality. However this may be the rantings of a madman, it's just i feel like a jockey sometimes as i ride the sequence of prime numbers, jumping each new one and then feeling their occurence decrease. Go to (void). Go directly to (void). Do not pass Go. Do not collect 200. -- Piers
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:02:36 +, Leon Brocard wrote: And finally, dumrats used naughty words and got attacked by a daemon: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02186.html Finally, due to this and other contextual clues, I've figured out who some of these IRC names apply to. This london-list weekly summary has been brought to you with IRC nicknames instead of, err, real names. This is just an experiment - we reckon it's a bit silly and more confusing. What do you reckon? For someone who's never used IRC at all, it's particularly annoying. I'm no Luddite though, I was using Cheeseplant's house over a decade ago, and wrote my own chat system, but just never got round to IRC. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] ``Sarathy was concerned by the use of a "whole bit" for this task'' -- Simon Cozens
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For someone who's never used IRC at all, it's particularly annoying. I'm no Luddite though, I was using Cheeseplant's house over a decade ago, and wrote my own chat system, but just never got round to IRC. I was on Cheeseplant's House as well! I recently noticed the source was out http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/pages/cph.html which chat system did you write? -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] enosig: this signature file is empty.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12
acme wrote: This london-list weekly summary has been brought to you with IRC nicknames instead of, err, real names. This is just an experiment - we reckon it's a bit silly and more confusing. What do you reckon? I didn't know who "dumrats" was but it didn't take long to figure out. Whether IRC names or "real" names are used depends, I suppose, on what you know each other by. However, I imagine if the weekly summaries are intended for the readers of the list, using the names people use on the list might be better. Use IRC names for summaries of #london.pm traffic :) Just my EUR 0.02, Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12
This london-list weekly summary has been brought to you with IRC nicknames instead of, err, real names. This is just an experiment - we reckon it's a bit silly and more confusing. What do you reckon? hmmm .. dunno .. you start off ok with 'blech' but then go on to use the same name spelt the same way on subsequent uses. surely it would make more sense to change one character each time in a humorous fashion. just my GBP 0.02 worth ( ~ 8.67 EUR at current exchange rates ) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:17:42AM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: [...] summaries of #london.pm traffic :) Now _there's_ an idea :-) Is anyone feeling really, really bored? .robin.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12
Robin Houston wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:17:42AM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: [...] summaries of #london.pm traffic :) Now _there's_ an idea :-) Is anyone feeling really, really bored? Isn't 30% of the traffic of the type "dadadodo for cream nauseous disgrace extensibility"? :-) Cheers, Philip
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:17:42AM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: [...] summaries of #london.pm traffic :) Now _there's_ an idea :-) Is anyone feeling really, really bored? No, but I'm getting hungry... -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Pony and Buffy (was Re: Mailing List Stuff)
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:34:15PM +, Robin Houston wrote:
what is it with ponys?
I've wondered that too.
Seems to be a #perl obsession...
purl pony
[purl] pony is replyGimme a Pony! Pony! Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony
Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony
Pony! Pony Pony Pony!
Michael
Obviously one good meme deserves another:
- *dipsy* buffy?
*dipsy* trelane: wish i knew
*dipsy* purl knew: buffy is reply I want
BUFFY! Buffy! Buffy! Buffy! Buffy
+Buffy Buffy! Buffy Buffy Buffy! Buffy Buffy Buffy! Buffy Buffy Buffy!
Okay, own up, who was this ;-) ? And more importantly, who told dipsy to
forget Buffy...
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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-05
At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:00:21 +, Steve Purkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: [ The same old tired nonsense about london.pm meeting dates ] Absolutely! I mean, does anyone actually *believe* that life is as simple as "The first Wednesday of every month" ?!? C'mon - there's *always* a catch. _Please_ don't feed the troll :) Dave...
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-05
Leon Brocard wrote: On Thursday, a London.pm Heretic Meeting happened in a lovely pub with a nice warm fire by the Thames. For the uninitiated, a Heretic Meeting happens when the first thursday of the month is the 1st. Heretic meetings thus happen on the 7th, and are ^^^ 8th. (For the summary in four weeks' time :-) organised (?) by Greg and not Dave. This'll happen again next month... Cheers, Philip
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-05
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Leon Brocard wrote: On Thursday, a London.pm Heretic Meeting happened in a lovely pub with a nice warm fire by the Thames. For the uninitiated, a Heretic Meeting happens when the first thursday of the month is the 1st. Heretic meetings thus happen on the 7th, and are ^^^ 8th. (For the summary in four weeks' time :-) london.pm meetings happen on the day after the first wednesday of the month - some misinformed people may have meetings on the 1st of the month occasionally, but what can i say? they are just crazy! -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Mailing List Stuff
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:34:15PM +, Robin Houston wrote: On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:27:16PM +, Struan Donald wrote: * at 02/02 12:29 + Jonathan Stowe said: On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Any questions? Yeah, can I have a pony ? what is it with ponys? I've wondered that too. Seems to be a #perl obsession... I think brian's wanted a pony ever since the early days of NY.pm, and he avoids IRC like the plague... dha, likes pie -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ perl is a language, and as such, is about as Y2K compliant as Serbo-Croat.- David Cantrell in comp.lang.perl.misc
Re: Mailing List Stuff
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Any questions? Yeah, can I have a pony ? /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: Mailing List Stuff
* at 02/02 12:29 + Jonathan Stowe said: On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Any questions? Yeah, can I have a pony ? what is it with ponys? struan
Re: Mailing List Stuff
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:27:16PM +, Struan Donald wrote: * at 02/02 12:29 + Jonathan Stowe said: On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Any questions? Yeah, can I have a pony ? what is it with ponys? I've wondered that too. Seems to be a #perl obsession... .robin. -- Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas!
Re: Mailing List Stuff
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:34:15PM +, Robin Houston wrote: what is it with ponys? I've wondered that too. Seems to be a #perl obsession... purl pony [12:39] [purl] pony is replyGimme a Pony! Pony! Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Michael
Re: Mailing List Stuff
Robin Houston wrote: I've wondered that too. Seems to be a #perl obsession... As in "stroke the pony"?
Re: Mailing List Stuff
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:40:18PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: purl pony [purl] pony is replyGimme a Pony! Pony! Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! robin literal pony pony pony purl robin: pony pony pony =is= replyGLUE GLUE GLUE| replyRHAPSODY in Glue! robin glue glue glue? purl glue glue glue is replyPONY PONY PONY hmm It must be a US cultural reference of some sort... .robin.
Re: Mailing List Stuff
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Robin Houston wrote: On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:27:16PM +, Struan Donald wrote: * at 02/02 12:29 + Jonathan Stowe said: On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Any questions? Yeah, can I have a pony ? what is it with ponys? I've wondered that too. Seems to be a #perl obsession... Older than that : http://www.fly.net/~shiva/complain.txt /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: Mailing List Stuff
Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.fly.net/~shiva/complain.txt Spamford Wallace. Those were the days. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: Mailing List Stuff
On 2 Feb 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.fly.net/~shiva/complain.txt Spamford Wallace. Those were the days. On the subject of Ponies - check out this aw350m3 site - http://members.tripod.com/~ponyland/ /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: the list
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:21:47 +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 12:04:54PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: everyone is probably reading up on ruby in preparation for it taking over the world Well, there's a good article on it in the "25th anniversary" Dr Dobbs magazine. But there's also a Perl/Tk article, so don't feel left out. Bah! It's not a Perl/Tk article. It's a totally shit perl symbol table article which is unfocussed and chock full of hideous errors and misconceptions. No, hang on, that's the perl article in the next issue, which keeps mentioning Tk::Browser like it's relevant. I don't remember what the article you refer to was like, but it didn't have me shouting at the magazine. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Please keep in mind that you have come up against a KNOWN BUG in the C library, and Perl can't fix *everything* that is broken by other people." -- Chip Salzenberg
RE: the list
It's oh so quiet. After recent activity this is somewhat disconcerting. OK, just in the interests of making traffic, then, here's a picture of me as a baby: http://website.lineone.net/~vineleaf/sands/gfx/mattjones.jpg You see, you have ot get your priorities right at an early age. -- matt you said it wasn't art, so now we're gonna rip you apart
Re: the list
* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It's oh so quiet. After recent activity this is somewhat disconcerting. everyone is probably reading up on ruby in preparation for it taking over the world -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: the list
On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 12:04:54PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It's oh so quiet. After recent activity this is somewhat disconcerting. everyone is probably reading up on ruby in preparation for it taking over the world Surely you mean python? (I kinda like python) Michael
Re: the list
On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 11:50:45AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: It's oh so quiet. After recent activity this is somewhat disconcerting. I don't know, before it was fast as lightning. Which was a little bit frightening. -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mailing List Archive
Title: RE: Mailing List Archive Why don't we make our own archive and ask mail-archive.com to stop doing their thing? Then we have control of what is published and everyone's happy... -Original Message- From: alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mailing List Archive a public archive containing all our email addresses is obviously bad. no-spam countermeasures help, but it's an ugly solution.. it's also about atmosphere. i don't like contributing to a friendly, discussive list that's archived and searchable by anyone who happens to drop by. mutual trust is a valuable thing. -- i recommend dramatically combined, shaped snack pastries for business.
RE: Mailing List Archive
At Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:23:17 -, Mike Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we make our own archive and ask mail-archive.com to stop doing their thing? Then we have control of what is published and everyone's happy... I don't think that mail-archive would be amenable to removing the archive. Their FAQ says that they don't delete stuff from their archives. Also, in the general case this doesn't help us. There's nothing to stop anyone subscribing a mail-reaper to the list at any time. mail-archive's bot is obvious as it's called [EMAIL PROTECTED], but they don't need to be so easy to spot. Best idea that I came up whilst thinking about it last night was to configure majordomo to automatically add an 'X-No-Archive' header to all mails on the list. But even that only avoids archives that play by the rules. Dave...
Re: Mailing List Archive
This is my two pence worth:
1. I stand by everything I've ever said on the the list. If I didn't
mean it I wouldn't have said it.
2. However, I can see problems with people taking things I've said out of
context. Pah, so be it. This is the problem with the world.
3. If I wanted to say something in private, I'd do it off list. Or on
irc. Or on one of the private lists I'm a member of.
4. However, it is apparent that certain people (read headhunters) are
reading this list and taking advantage of it (using my phone number.)
5. As far as stuff getting back to my employer, well my employer has
benefited from me being on list something chronic. The knowledge I've
gained, amongst other things, has been highly useful. P.S. I'm late
for work. Daryl, if you're reading this then I owe you an extra hour
;-)
So in conclusion, I'm for an open list. But I don't care enough to object
either way. joke I think the real question should be, do we munge
reply-tos or not /joke
Later.
Mark.
P.S. Oi, recruiters. I'm happy where I work. Ta.
1984: These are my personal opinions, and do not represent my employer.
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RE: Mailing List Archive
Best idea that I came up whilst thinking about it last night was to configure majordomo to automatically add an 'X-No-Archive' header to all mails on the list. But even that only avoids archives that play by the rules. Seems like a good idea to me. The fact that mailing lists are ultimately not private forums doesn't mean we can't try to establish a degree of privacy. There strikes me as being a massive qualatative difference between someone searching for my name and a company's name to see what I've been saying about that company, and someone having to find out what mailing lists I'm on, and then subscribe to and read the lists waiting to see what I say. Leon brought up the matter of conversations in pubs. There's no reason why someone coulnd't hire a sleuth to turn up to the london.pm meeting posing as a new member and get them to find out who's saying what. But that's a big leap to take, and not an argument for saying that all conversations in pubs should be considered public knowledge just because that's a technical possibiltity.
Re: Mailing List Archive
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:07:18AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * James Powell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: To make it harder for google to find you - change your name Prince style. good idea! - greg of wales This is the best laugh I've had in a little while. Thanks. james. -- James A. Duncan W: www.fotango.com P: +44 207 251 7021 F: +44 207 608 3592 PGP signature
