[LUTE] Thank you, and so long!
Hi Everyone - I would like to thank you all for your good wishes! Bye Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!
Thanks for all the decades, Wayne! I'll see the rest of you reprobates around the internet ( Ning, Facebook, etc.). Garry On 9/30/2020 6:11 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote: Hi Lute People - The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Wayne, many thanks and we hope you like retirement! Ed Martin Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 30, 2020, at 5:14 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote: > > Hi Lute People - > > The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly > have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. > > Wayne > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Many thanks, see you on the other side! Bob Purrenhage On 9/30/2020 6:11 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote: Hi Lute People - The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Thanks for your time, energy, attention to detail & patience over the years, Wayne. I hope you’re retiring to a pleasant & active new life. All the best! jeff > On Sep 30, 2020, at 5:18 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote: > > Hi Lute People - > > The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly > have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. > > Wayne > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Thank you Wayne for everything, and happy retirement.!!
Bruno
Montreal
Le mer. 30 sept. 2020 Ã 08:15, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
<[1]jlaju...@gmail.com> a écrit :
Thank you so much Wayne!
This list has been an invaluable source of information.
Jussi-Pekka
ke 30. syysk. 2020 klo 13.13 Wayne Cripps
([1][2]w...@cs.dartmouth.edu)
kirjoitti:
Hi Lute People -
The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours.
I
certainly have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you
all for
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[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!
Thank you so much Wayne! This list has been an invaluable source of information. Jussi-Pekka ke 30. syysk. 2020 klo 13.13 Wayne Cripps ([1]w...@cs.dartmouth.edu) kirjoitti: Hi Lute People - The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:w...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Big thanks Wayne Your list was great!! Arto On 30.9.2020 13.11, Wayne Cripps wrote: > Hi Lute People - > > The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly > have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. > > Wayne > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!
Thank you so much Wayne â a reliable source of help, knowledge and entertainment. Three cheers for Wayne! On 30 Sep 2020, 12:14 +0200, Wayne Cripps , wrote: Hi Lute People - The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!
Hey Wayne, Thanks for creating and maintaining this list for such a long time. I am sure it will be sorely missed by all with an interest in the lute and allied instruments. Thanks again and stay healthy! Lex. Op 30 sep. 2020, om 12:11 heeft Wayne Cripps <[1]w...@cs.dartmouth.edu> het volgende geschreven: Hi Lute People - The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:w...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!
Thanks so much Wayne! You've provided an invaluable service to the international lute community. There's no doubt the lute would be in far worse shape without the exchange of knowledge you facilitated. We all owe you a deep debt of gratitude. Best, Chris On Wednesday, September 30, 2020, 6:17 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote: Hi Lute People - The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] This list is ending soon!
Hi Lute People - The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Revised edition of La Rhétorique des Dieux
Greetings, I have just finished and published a new version of Richard Civiolâs edition of La Rhétorique des Dieux. I have done a note by note comparison with the original facsimile and made corrections, provided English translations for all of the text, and included images from the original facsimile. Please let me know if you find any corrections required. I hope you find it useful. It can be found at [1]https://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/ and the PDF is at [2]https://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/La%20Rh%C3%A9torique %20des%20Dieux.pdf. The Fandango and other source material is at [3]https://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/La%20Rh%C3%A9torique %20des%20Dieux%20Sources.zip. I am sending this to both lists since I do not know if the Dartmouth list is still live and if everyone has transferred. Regards David Smith -- References 1. https://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/ 2. https://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/La Rhétorique des Dieux.pdf 3. https://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/La Rhétorique des Dieux Sources.zip To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Full circle
Recently there has seen some remarkable developments: some Ukrainian musicians have discovered my Ukro-centric music, and started to adopt it and adapt it to the Ukrainian diatonic zither/psaltery, AKA the Bandura: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywW8txYy8gE [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pSg2hXqFfg [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNeFS1uoi5Q [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1V1aWRfYa8 It only took 25 years! Enjoy! Met vriendelijke groeten! RT -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywW8txYy8gE 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pSg2hXqFfg 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNeFS1uoi5Q 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1V1aWRfYa8 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Benjamin Narvey’s virtual Solo concert
Dear Lutenists Benjamin Narvey this week is presenting a virtual solo recital of lute music for the Early Music Voices series in Canada. The recital, "The Calgary Connection", is the first concert of the year, and was recorded at Benjamin's home in Paris due to the Covid crisis. Benjamin's concert (free access online through to 4 October) includes music by Weiss, de Visée, Purcell and Vieux Gaultier. Performing from home, Benjamin can access a larger selection of lutes. He plays here a 13 Course rider lute, a theorbo, and a 12 Course lute. Here is the link: [1]https://www.earlymusicvoices.ca/2020-2021 Regards to all Anthony -- References 1. https://www.earlymusicvoices.ca/2020-2021 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: LUTE Duets
Good morning, Alain. Thank you for this. I hope it was fun to put together! Have a good afternoon, Chris. On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:06 AM Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote: People who like lute duets might interested in a project I put together, see [2]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/projects/preview/26 I did not quite make it to 100 but there are still some pieces to be added after this list goes silent. Good night all, Alain To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 2. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/projects/preview/26 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: LUTE Duets
People who like lute duets might interested in a project I put together, see http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/projects/preview/26 I did not quite make it to 100 but there are still some pieces to be added after this list goes silent. Good night all, Alain To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: This September--Paul O'Dette in concert
Thanks Nancy-This was wonderful! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 31, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: > > --0511CBC1E59526415F9EA14C > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > See the note below about an online Paul O'Dette concert. > Nancy > > > Forwarded Message > Subject:This September--Paul O'Dette in concert > Date:Mon, 31 Aug 2020 09:30:46 -0400 > From:Lydia Becker > To:lsaq.edi...@gmail.com > > > > Hello Nancy, > > I hope this email finds you well! My name is Lydia and I am the > administrative manager for NYS Baroque and Pegasus Early Music. I wanted > to alert you to our upcoming season opening concert, featuring Paul > O'Dette! I've copied and pasted more information: > > September 25 at 7:30pm and September 27 at 4:00pm > Dowland’s Grand Tour: /Paul O’Dette, lute/ > Our local world-renowned lutenist performs music of English lutenist > John Dowland, as well as the music he encountered on his travels around > Europe in the early 17th century. > This event is hosted by Pegasus Early Music and NYS Baroque. Please > check our websites (pegasusearlymusic.org > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__l.facebook.com_l.php-3Fu-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fpegasusearlymusic.org-252F-253Ffbclid-253DIwAR3swmq-2DddDAG5MWS-2DnTJRKsJSsPwFnCC98YXOSsO89urt6SiHwkoR1nlgs-26h-3DAT0oRAQvJkUgzhKsmHmgt9c02ievzIuK5Jhk8gEuo0lTYpyT2d19uJk91kP2Oj1AG-2DH6UKOyVSBHv9jtXEi93LItdTzzr3yzmVci34Olvb6Xn9y6V6htYqmJFMUmecH4IFZ0=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=fJaMzDUxV76gFV5GfnmIVyoGt4xwfkaxwSh1sDLHtEA=b5IeUa-7TGGO6Ag9B-pkIlj826IozhBU4oUfZCtqjrs= > > or > nysbaroque.com > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__l.facebook.com_l.php-3Fu-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fnysbaroque.com-252F-253Ffbclid-253DIwAR2caYekJxBas4DvhITIyHdV2ETZHAWPFjdPVBz278gFy2hqjE76UA-2Dr8u4-26h-3DAT1UG-2D0Ee19q4LK-5FFhI8sRjlKJo-2DNyPDk5aRsm2k7FFdq4O7TlzI0WILUgaPEvkDXFjDBnVoyEUhZ4GBQ5bTtvmK4PXbwkOWwrxDIMIRV7wwEZu89jllYrYgDTeQYL2CxVip=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=fJaMzDUxV76gFV5GfnmIVyoGt4xwfkaxwSh1sDLHtEA=DngQb1SWULA4L82KW_qAPMSWNmsnDY17JuAijhlVwgE= > >) > closer to the concert date to find out how to access. > All events will be online and free! Please note that we’ll be paying our > artists their professional performance fees, and donations will be > gratefully accepted. > > If you could forward this to anyone who you think might be interested, > that would be greatly appreciated! > > All my best, > > Lydia > *Lydia Becker* | /Administrative Manager/ > * > * > *Pegasus Early Music* > 211 Cobbs Hill Drive > Rochester, NY 14610 > 585-703-3990 > www.PegasusEarlyMusic.org > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.pegasusearlymusic.org_=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=fJaMzDUxV76gFV5GfnmIVyoGt4xwfkaxwSh1sDLHtEA=2TxijZ0TV_vCwDUyt8oj4gcsYyAjaSd3MuwvhOOv2u8= > > > /Now in our 15th season! > / > * > * > *NYS Baroque* > 333 The Parkway > Ithaca, NY 14850 > 607-301-0604 > www.nysbaroque.com > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nysbaroque.com_=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=fJaMzDUxV76gFV5GfnmIVyoGt4xwfkaxwSh1sDLHtEA=fzrAFMRit8myNAyJBXD5xm_OchwYIhirYlWHPu2XULM= > > > /Celebrating our 31st season!/ > > > > -- > Nancy Carlin > Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__LuteSocietyofAmerica.org=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=fJaMzDUxV76gFV5GfnmIVyoGt4xwfkaxwSh1sDLHtEA=KleeThdHjNJruTWaPpr7cnyZuAux3Va1NyVgS39wGMQ= > > > PO Box 6499 > Concord, CA 94524 > USA > 925 / 686-5800 > > www.groundsanddivisions.info > www.nancycarlinassociates.com > > > --0511CBC1E59526415F9EA14C > Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > > > > >See the note below about an online Paul O'Dette concert. >Nancy > > > Forwarded Message > cellpadding="0" border="0"> > > >Subject: > >This September--Paul O'Dette in concert > > >Date: >Mon, 31 Aug 2020 09:30:46 -0400 > > >From: >Lydia
[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute
"By the way, I really like the film. Films like this one will probably soon be forbidden by PC idiots..." I know what you mean. I prefer Macs as well. RA __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Rainer Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 12:25 PM To: heiman.dan...@juno.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu ; lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute By the way, I really like the film. Films like this one will probably soon be forbidden by PC idiots... Rainer Am 27.09.2020 um 13:50 schrieb heiman.dan...@juno.com: > Rainer, Nigel North did a set of intabulations of Henry Purcell pieces at the beginning of his concert on 11-course d-minor lute.https://bit.ly/NorthConcert Daniel > > -- Original Message -- > From: Rainer > To: Lute net , lutelist > Subject: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:34:51 +0200 > > Dear lute netters, > > I wonder if anybody has intabulated this for two Renaissance lutes (or one). > > [1]https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE > > Rainer > To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute
Erm,
do you happen to play chess or just a proud Norwegian :)
I have become interested in chess lately after 42 years of abstinence.
Rainer
Am 27.09.2020 um 19:30 schrieb magnus andersson:
Also noteworthy are the arrangements of the (Daniel) Purcell pieces in the
Poznan 7033 ms.
Best,
Magnus
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Den söndag, september 27, 2020, 2:26 em, skrev Rainer
:
Very nice. The Rondeau is also from Abdelazer.
Which reminds me of the film "Pride and Prhudice".
Of course, nobody would have played music by Purcell as dance music in 1813
(or 1797).
Anyway many people praised the film music by Marianelli - pseudo romantic
piano music which did not yet exists in 18213 (or 1797)
The only really great music in the film is by Purcell. HAve I missed
something?
By the way, I really like the film. Films like this one will probably soon
be forbidden by PC idiots...
Rainer
Am 27.09.2020 um 13:50 schrieb heiman.dan...@juno.com
<mailto:heiman.dan...@juno.com>:
> Rainer, Nigel North did a set of intabulations of Henry Purcell pieces
at the beginning of his concert on 11-course d-minor
lute.https://bit.ly/NorthConcert Daniel
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Rainer mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>>
> To: Lute net mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>>, lutelist
mailto:lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info>>
> Subject: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute
> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:34:51 +0200
>
> Dear lute netters,
>
> I wonder if anybody has intabulated this for two Renaissance lutes (or
one).
>
> https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE <https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE>
>
> Rainer
>
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[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute
Also noteworthy are the arrangements of the (Daniel) Purcell pieces in the Poznan 7033 ms. Best, Magnus [1]Skickat frÃÂ¥n Yahoo Mail för iPhone Den söndag, september 27, 2020, 2:26 em, skrev Rainer : Very nice. The Rondeau is also from Abdelazer. Which reminds me of the film "Pride and Prhudice". Of course, nobody would have played music by Purcell as dance music in 1813 (or 1797). Anyway many people praised the film music by Marianelli - pseudo romantic piano music which did not yet exists in 18213 (or 1797) The only really great music in the film is by Purcell. HAve I missed something? By the way, I really like the film. Films like this one will probably soon be forbidden by PC idiots... Rainer Am 27.09.2020 um 13:50 schrieb [2]heiman.dan...@juno.com: > Rainer, Nigel North did a set of intabulations of Henry Purcell pieces at the beginning of his concert on 11-course d-minor lute.https://bit.ly/NorthConcert Daniel > > -- Original Message -- > From: Rainer <[3]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> > To: Lute net <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, lutelist <[5]lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info> > Subject: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:34:51 +0200 > > Dear lute netters, > > I wonder if anybody has intabulated this for two Renaissance lutes (or one). > > [6]https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE > > Rainer > To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS 2. mailto:heiman.dan...@juno.com 3. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info 6. https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Capirola translation
So maybe like this? --Sarge On 9/26/2020 14:53, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: > I was responding to this: "Vidal obviously forgot to write the > beginning of the pavan, and adds the bars at the end of the piece." > > Like I said, it makes more sense to me, musically, to play that > section only before the preceding bars are repeated, but I admit that > the wording of the Vidal's instructions seem to support the assumption > quoted above. > > Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 27.9.2020 klo 0.07: >> Did you mean like this? >> --Sarge >> >> On 9/25/2020 09:13, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: >>> Â Â Â Thank you! Interestingly that "beginning" does make more sense >>> to me >>> Â Â Â when played only when the piece is repeated. It makes me wonder if >>> Â Â Â Vidal really meant that this last strain is played as a >>> beginning of >>> Â Â Â the piece on both times or only on the second time. >>> >>> Â Â Â G. C. kirjoitti 25.9.2020 klo 12.52: >>> >>> Â Â Â 4. End of nr. 29 Padoana ala francesa: torna da capo ex q?; >>> Questo so >>> Â Â Â il principio d dita padoana [16 bars] va seguitando >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â poi la dita padoan in principio >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â "Go to the beginning from here. This is the beginning of the >>> said >>> Â Â Â pavan [16 bars] then follows the said pavan from the >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â beginning" >>> Â Â Â [As to 4. Vidal obviously forgot to write the beginning of the >>> pavan, >>> Â Â Â and adds the bars at the end of the piece. A closer look at the >>> end of >>> Â Â Â the piece in the facsimile shows this clearly, with a crossing >>> out of >>> Â Â Â the three first chords of the piece, and then the instructions >>> quoted >>> Â Â Â above] >>> >>> Â Â Â Virus-free. [1]www.avast.com >>> >>> Â Â Â On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Jussi-Pekka Lajunen >>> Â Â Â <[2]jlaju...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Â Â Â Â Â Can anyone give me a translation of the texts on folio 48r of the >>> Â Â Â Â Â Capirola MS (the third page of Padoana alla Francese No. 2) or >>> Â Â Â Â Â explain >>> Â Â Â Â Â what they mean? >>> Â Â Â Â Â -- Jussi-Pekka Lajunen >>> Â Â Â Â Â To get on or off this list see list information at >>> [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> Â Â Â -- >>> >>> References >>> >>> Â Â Â Visible links: >>> Â Â Â 1. >>> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link >>> Â Â Â 2. mailto:jlaju...@gmail.com >>> Â Â Â 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> Â Â Â Hidden links: >>> Â Â Â 5. >>> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon >>> >> > > -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. (sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." --
[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute
Very nice. The Rondeau is also from Abdelazer. Which reminds me of the film "Pride and Prhudice". Of course, nobody would have played music by Purcell as dance music in 1813 (or 1797). Anyway many people praised the film music by Marianelli - pseudo romantic piano music which did not yet exists in 18213 (or 1797) The only really great music in the film is by Purcell. HAve I missed something? By the way, I really like the film. Films like this one will probably soon be forbidden by PC idiots... Rainer Am 27.09.2020 um 13:50 schrieb heiman.dan...@juno.com: Rainer, Nigel North did a set of intabulations of Henry Purcell pieces at the beginning of his concert on 11-course d-minor lute.https://bit.ly/NorthConcert Daniel -- Original Message -- From: Rainer To: Lute net , lutelist Subject: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:34:51 +0200 Dear lute netters, I wonder if anybody has intabulated this for two Renaissance lutes (or one). https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute
Rainer, Nigel North did a set of intabulations of Henry Purcell pieces at the beginning of his concert on 11-course d-minor lute.https://bit.ly/NorthConcert Daniel -- Original Message -- From: Rainer To: Lute net , lutelist Subject: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:34:51 +0200 Dear lute netters, I wonder if anybody has intabulated this for two Renaissance lutes (or one). https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE Rainer -- Lutelist mailing list lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lutelist -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Duo at distance with third listener also elsewhere
Dear lutenists Just before our list closes, I wonder whether in this difficult context anyone has the experience of playing duo at distance and with a third lutenist commentator in a third environment, perhaps all this via Zoom or similar? Please feel free to mail me with any ideas and experience of this. Thank you also Waine for your wonderful work for us gradually now drawing to a close. Regards Anthony -- References Visible links: Hidden links: 2. https://yho.com/footer0 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute
And if you play continuo, it is not too complicated to play this piece directly from the score. Arto On 27.9.2020 12.52, Mathias Rösel wrote: >There's an edition of pieces by Purcell from Tree Edition for one >archlute. >Mathias > __ > >Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App >--- Original-Nachricht --- >Von: Rainer >Betreff: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute >Datum: 27. September 2020, 9:34 >An: Lute net, lutelist > >Dear lute netters, >I wonder if anybody has intabulated this for two Renaissance lutes (or >one). >[2]https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE >Rainer >-- >Lutelist mailing list >[3]lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info >[4]https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lutelist > >-- > > References > >1. > https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_android_sendmail_footer >2. https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE >3. mailto:lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info >4. https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lutelist > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute
There's an edition of pieces by Purcell from Tree Edition for one archlute. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Rainer Betreff: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute Datum: 27. September 2020, 9:34 An: Lute net, lutelist Dear lute netters, I wonder if anybody has intabulated this for two Renaissance lutes (or one). [2]https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE Rainer -- Lutelist mailing list [3]lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info [4]https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lutelist -- References 1. https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_android_sendmail_footer 2. https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE 3. mailto:lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info 4. https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lutelist To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Peter Croton's email address
Here it goes: petercro...@gmail.com Guilherme Barroso Lute and Basso Continuo Professor at [1]Escola Superior de Música de Lisboa ESML [2]www.guilherme-barroso.com | [3]@the_lute_channel Tel: +41 767488925 Em 27/09/2020, 08:33 +0200, Rainer escreveu: Dear lute netters, does anybody know Peter Croton's email address? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.esml.ipl.pt/ 2. https://www.guilherme-barroso.com/ 3. https://www.youtube.com/user/Guialaude
[LUTE] Purcell on the lute
Dear lute netters, I wonder if anybody has intabulated this for two Renaissance lutes (or one). https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Peter Croton's email address
Dear lute netters, does anybody know Peter Croton's email address? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Capirola translation
I was responding to this: "Vidal obviously forgot to write the beginning of the pavan, and adds the bars at the end of the piece." Like I said, it makes more sense to me, musically, to play that section only before the preceding bars are repeated, but I admit that the wording of the Vidal's instructions seem to support the assumption quoted above. Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 27.9.2020 klo 0.07: Did you mean like this? --Sarge On 9/25/2020 09:13, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: Thank you! Interestingly that "beginning" does make more sense to me when played only when the piece is repeated. It makes me wonder if Vidal really meant that this last strain is played as a beginning of the piece on both times or only on the second time. G. C. kirjoitti 25.9.2020 klo 12.52: 4. End of nr. 29 Padoana ala francesa: torna da capo ex q?; Questo so il principio d dita padoana [16 bars] va seguitando poi la dita padoan in principio "Go to the beginning from here. This is the beginning of the said pavan [16 bars] then follows the said pavan from the beginning" [As to 4. Vidal obviously forgot to write the beginning of the pavan, and adds the bars at the end of the piece. A closer look at the end of the piece in the facsimile shows this clearly, with a crossing out of the three first chords of the piece, and then the instructions quoted above] Virus-free. [1]www.avast.com On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Jussi-Pekka Lajunen <[2]jlaju...@gmail.com> wrote: Can anyone give me a translation of the texts on folio 48r of the Capirola MS (the third page of Padoana alla Francese No. 2) or explain what they mean? -- Jussi-Pekka Lajunen To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References Visible links: 1. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link 2. mailto:jlaju...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Hidden links: 5. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon
[LUTE] Re: Capirola translation
Did you mean like this? --Sarge On 9/25/2020 09:13, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: > Thank you! Interestingly that "beginning" does make more sense to me > when played only when the piece is repeated. It makes me wonder if > Vidal really meant that this last strain is played as a beginning of > the piece on both times or only on the second time. > > G. C. kirjoitti 25.9.2020 klo 12.52: > > 4. End of nr. 29 Padoana ala francesa: torna da capo ex q?; Questo so > il principio d dita padoana [16 bars] va seguitando >poi la dita padoan in principio >"Go to the beginning from here. This is the beginning of the said > pavan [16 bars] then follows the said pavan from the >beginning" > [As to 4. Vidal obviously forgot to write the beginning of the pavan, > and adds the bars at the end of the piece. A closer look at the end of > the piece in the facsimile shows this clearly, with a crossing out of > the three first chords of the piece, and then the instructions quoted > above] > > Virus-free. [1]www.avast.com > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Jussi-Pekka Lajunen > <[2]jlaju...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Can anyone give me a translation of the texts on folio 48r of the > Capirola MS (the third page of Padoana alla Francese No. 2) or > explain > what they mean? > -- Jussi-Pekka Lajunen > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > Visible links: > 1. > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link > 2. mailto:jlaju...@gmail.com > 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > Hidden links: > 5. > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon > -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. (sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." --
[LUTE] Re: Switch to the new list?
Thanks Wayne
I learned a lot from this list over many years
Stuart
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020, 14:58
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Subject: [LUTE] Switch to the new list?
Hi Folks -
I expect this list will close sometime between tomorrow and
very
early
Wednesday morning. Nancy Carlin announced a list sponsored by
the
LSA recently.
Wayne
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Date: September 26, 2020 at 8:38:41 AM EDT
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Does anybody remember (Wayne? :)) when Wayne's server will be
shut
down?
Isn't it time to migrate to the new list?
Rainer
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[LUTE] Re: Switch to the new list?
See the message sent to this list by Nancy Carlin on 17th September. Tristan von Neumann kirjoitti 26.9.2020 klo 17.41: I haven't been paying attention very much lately. Where is the new list and what do I need to do? On 26.09.20 14:38, Rainer wrote: Does anybody remember (Wayne? :)) when Wayne's server will be shut down? Isn't it time to migrate to the new list? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Welcome to the "Lutelist" mailing list
Here is the data for the new list. Forwarded Message Welcome to the lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info mailing list! To post to this list, send your message to: lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info General information about the mailing list is at: https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lutelist If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/options/lutelist/sarge%40gerbode.net You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: lutelist-requ...@groundsanddivisions.info with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe without confirmation. It is: kiwiweoz Normally, Mailman will remind you of your groundsanddivisions.info mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Switch to the new list?
I haven't been paying attention very much lately. Where is the new list and what do I need to do? On 26.09.20 14:38, Rainer wrote: Does anybody remember (Wayne? :)) when Wayne's server will be shut down? Isn't it time to migrate to the new list? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Switch to the new list?
Hi Folks - I expect this list will close sometime between tomorrow and very early Wednesday morning. Nancy Carlin announced a list sponsored by the LSA recently. Wayne Begin forwarded message: From: Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> Subject: [LUTE] Switch to the new list? Date: September 26, 2020 at 8:38:41 AM EDT To: Lute net <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Does anybody remember (Wayne? :)) when Wayne's server will be shut down? Isn't it time to migrate to the new list? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Switch to the new list?
Does anybody remember (Wayne? :)) when Wayne's server will be shut down? Isn't it time to migrate to the new list? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Saturday morning quotes
We have posted our Saturday morning quotes, beginning our eighth full year of the (once weekly, now frequent) series. We preview a few new tracks from Mignarda and our alter-ego, we honor Wayne Cripps for hosting the lute list and discuss the way forward. [1]https://tinyurl.com/y53x796a Ron & Donna -- References 1. https://tinyurl.com/y53x796a To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Capirola translation
Thank you! Interestingly that "beginning" does make more sense to me when played only when the piece is repeated. It makes me wonder if Vidal really meant that this last strain is played as a beginning of the piece on both times or only on the second time. G. C. kirjoitti 25.9.2020 klo 12.52: 4. End of nr. 29 Padoana ala francesa: torna da capo ex q?; Questo so il principio d dita padoana [16 bars] va seguitando poi la dita padoan in principio "Go to the beginning from here. This is the beginning of the said pavan [16 bars] then follows the said pavan from the beginning" [As to 4. Vidal obviously forgot to write the beginning of the pavan, and adds the bars at the end of the piece. A closer look at the end of the piece in the facsimile shows this clearly, with a crossing out of the three first chords of the piece, and then the instructions quoted above] Virus-free. [1]www.avast.com On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Jussi-Pekka Lajunen <[2]jlaju...@gmail.com> wrote: Can anyone give me a translation of the texts on folio 48r of the Capirola MS (the third page of Padoana alla Francese No. 2) or explain what they mean? -- Jussi-Pekka Lajunen To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References Visible links: 1. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link 2. mailto:jlaju...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Hidden links: 5. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon
[LUTE] Capirola translation
Can anyone give me a translation of the texts on folio 48r of the Capirola MS (the third page of Padoana alla Francese No. 2) or explain what they mean? -- Jussi-Pekka Lajunen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Strings Available...
I've got four Pyramid lute strings that are surplus to requirements - 2 x 0.425 and 2 x 0.500 If they're of any use to anyone, let me know and I'll put them in the post to you. julian -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lautenband
Since the lute is so very light weight, all you need is cotton tape (or silk ribbon) some 1.1/2 ins (4cm) wide. You can even buy it in Germany! MH On Sunday, 20 September 2020, 08:41:52 BST, Rainer wrote: Auf Deutsch, weil ich das nicht im Ausland kaufen will: Ich will doch noch mal versuchen mit einem Band zu spielen - Lauten kann man bekanntlich nicht halten. Spezielle Bänder für Lauten gibt es wohl nicht - wozu auch. Gitarrenbänder gibt es wie Sand am Meer (der wird wohl langsam knapp). Kann jemand ein Fabrikat empfehlen? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lautenband
In der Tat - Wenn man nach Lautengurt sucht. Wenn man nach Lautenband sucht, findet man das berühmte "Mit dem grünen Lautenbande" von Schubert :) Rainer Am 20.09.2020 um 10:07 schrieb Joachim Lüdtke: Dear Rainer, there are lute straps as the sand on the sea, very much ... As you are searching for a provider in your country, have a look on the website of lute builder Schossig. Best Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Lautenband Datum: 2020-09-20T09:42:13+0200 Von: "Rainer" An: "Lute net" Auf Deutsch, weil ich das nicht im Ausland kaufen will: Ich will doch noch mal versuchen mit einem Band zu spielen - Lauten kann man bekanntlich nicht halten. Spezielle Bänder für Lauten gibt es wohl nicht - wozu auch. Gitarrenbänder gibt es wie Sand am Meer (der wird wohl langsam knapp). Kann jemand ein Fabrikat empfehlen? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lautenband
Ach so, und NICHT von Ausland - tja, dann von Dieter Schossig. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Mathias Rösel Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Lautenband Datum: 20. September 2020, 10:02 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Arion straps von Tanja Skonk, die finde ich am besten. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Rainer Betreff: [LUTE] Lautenband Datum: 20. September 2020, 9:40 An: Lute net Auf Deutsch, weil ich das nicht im Ausland kaufen will: Ich will doch noch mal versuchen mit einem Band zu spielen - Lauten kann man bekanntlich nicht halten. Spezielle B����nder f����r Lauten gibt es wohl nicht - wozu auch. Gitarrenb����nder gibt es wie Sand am Meer (der wird wohl langsam knapp). Kann jemand ein Fabrikat empfehlen? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at [2][2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [3]https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_androi d_sendmail_footer 2. [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_android_sendmail_footer 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_android_sendmail_footer 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lautenband
Dear Rainer, there are lute straps as the sand on the sea, very much ... As you are searching for a provider in your country, have a look on the website of lute builder Schossig. Best Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Lautenband Datum: 2020-09-20T09:42:13+0200 Von: "Rainer" An: "Lute net" Auf Deutsch, weil ich das nicht im Ausland kaufen will: Ich will doch noch mal versuchen mit einem Band zu spielen - Lauten kann man bekanntlich nicht halten. Spezielle Bänder für Lauten gibt es wohl nicht - wozu auch. Gitarrenbänder gibt es wie Sand am Meer (der wird wohl langsam knapp). Kann jemand ein Fabrikat empfehlen? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lautenband
Arion straps von Tanja Skonk, die finde ich am besten. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Rainer Betreff: [LUTE] Lautenband Datum: 20. September 2020, 9:40 An: Lute net Auf Deutsch, weil ich das nicht im Ausland kaufen will: Ich will doch noch mal versuchen mit einem Band zu spielen - Lauten kann man bekanntlich nicht halten. Spezielle Bänder für Lauten gibt es wohl nicht - wozu auch. Gitarrenbänder gibt es wie Sand am Meer (der wird wohl langsam knapp). Kann jemand ein Fabrikat empfehlen? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_android_sendmail_footer 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lautenband
Auf Deutsch, weil ich das nicht im Ausland kaufen will: Ich will doch noch mal versuchen mit einem Band zu spielen - Lauten kann man bekanntlich nicht halten. Spezielle Bänder für Lauten gibt es wohl nicht - wozu auch. Gitarrenbänder gibt es wie Sand am Meer (der wird wohl langsam knapp). Kann jemand ein Fabrikat empfehlen? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Concert on demand streaming September 25 - October 4
Hi everyone, I wanted to clarify that the Opening Night Watch Party on Friday September 25^th at 7 PM will premier Richard's concert. If you can't attend this, it is available for streaming after that through October 4^th. John Dear fellow Lute Enthusiasts, I would like to let you know about an upcoming Baroque Lute Concert recorded live and streaming from Sep 25 - Oct 4 online. I think you all might enjoy it. As part of Tempesta di Mare's Artist Recital Series, Richard Stone will play German and Austrian lute music from the high baroque. This recital features three grand-scale highlights of the baroque lute repertoire: Johann Sebastian Bach's eloquent and nostalgic "Pièces pour le Luth à Monsieur Schouster", Silvius Leopold Weiss's bold, forward-looking Sonata 43, and a magnificent Passacaglia Grave by Georg Muffat that encapsulates the style that Bach was musing upon and Weiss departing from in their suites. There are several options to view and experience the event (all times Eastern US). First there is the Opening Night Watch Party on Friday September 25 at 7 PM The Concert then is available for streaming on demand through Oct 4 On Sunday September 27^th at 5 PM Cameron Welkes, with guest Richard Stone, host a live discussion on the link between the constructive and repertoire developments of the lutes, in a related Tempesta Talks Ticket options: Choose your preferred way to enjoy the concert and the talks. Prices are $20 - $40. Direct Link to Info and Ticketing - [1]https://tempestadimare.secure.force.com/ticket/#/events/a0S0H0O1 XCkUAN Tickets and Information: [2]Tempestadimare.org. 215-755-8776 Instagram and Facebook: @philadelphiatempesta Also check out Tempesta's full season of Baroque Music which will also be available on line by streaming. Their next concert is The Four Winds, October 23-25 With every performance, Tempesta di Mare creates a sense of discovery. From innovative programming that has resulted in over 35 modern world premieres of lost and forgotten baroque masterpieces, to the ensemble's signature interpretive approach evoking drama and emotionâtheir performances are true to their name: "storm at sea." Best Regards, John -- References 1. https://tempestadimare.secure.force.com/ticket/#/events/a0S0H0O1XCkUAN 2. http://tempestadimare.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute in unclaimed luggage
Friends, scroll down to the paragraph about a lute in [1]this article that popped up on my feed today - anyone lose this item at some point in the past few years? Lynda Kraar -- References 1. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-8674631/The-wackiest-items-Unclaimed-Baggage-Alabama-come-50-year-history.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] a new LuteList
The LSA in recognition of the wonderful service Wayne Cripps did with hosting the lute email lists, has decided to host a follow up email list. The LSA list is for everyone, members or non-members. It is also appropriate for discussions on all lute-family instruments and their music: lutes, bandoras, citterns, theorbos, baroque guitars and medieval lutes. The list will eventually be housed on the new LSA web site but it will take some time before it is up and running. However, until then there is a temporary home allowing us to have the new email list in place when Wayne retires his list.Oyur temporary LuteList will be transferred to the LSA website when it is available. We hope you join the new list and continue to enjoy the conversations. How to subscribe and related details about the software: * The temporary site uses "mailman," a well respected list management software package. * To subscribe send an email to "[1]lutelist-requ...@groundsanddivisions.info" with the word "subscribe" in the subject line. Note that the host is ".info". Or if you want a digest, instead open [2]https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lutelist and check the "digest" box when you sign up. * When you get a "please confirm" email back, the simplest thing is to just reply. That should work almost all of the time. * Once you confirm your subscription, you'll get an introductory email with useful information. Save that email as it includes your list password. * The archives of this new list are available at [3]https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/private/lutelist/ * Please note that "mailman" has many options. [4]https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/options/lutelist/ is the web page for you to login into in order to see and set the options. * Detailed software documentation and answers to frequent questions is available at [5]https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member.pdf * If there's something you are not clear about, send an email to Nancy Carlin at [6]lsaq.edi...@gmail.com . If you have a technical question email Jerry Carlin at [7]jerry.car...@gmail.com . I hope to see you all on the new LuteList. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [8]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [9]www.groundsanddivisions.info [10]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- References 1. mailto:lutelist-requ...@groundsanddivisions.info 2. https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lutelist 3. https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/private/lutelist/ 4. https://pairlist10.pair.net/mailman/options/lutelist/ 5. https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member.pdf 6. mailto:lsaq.edi...@gmail.com 7. mailto:jerry.car...@gmail.com 8. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 9. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 10. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lutes for sale list
The lute community thanks Wayne Cripps for all the years he provided this service - a lot of lutes were sold! He is retiring from this project and his list is closing down very soon. The Lute Society of America has added a Lutes For Sale list to a temporary website https://groundsanddivisions.info/lsa/lutesforsale.html . Anyone can add instruments to this list if they are sell a lute or other lute-family instruments. This is not the place to list classical guitars or viols. I you would like to add your instrument to the list read https://groundsanddivisions.info/lsa/lutesforsale_hereishow.html If you have questions email me at lutes4s...@gmail.com. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Baroque Lute Concert on demand streaming September 25 - October 4
Dear fellow Lute Enthusiasts, I would like to let you know about an upcoming Baroque Lute Concert recorded live and streaming from Sep 25 - Oct 4 online. I think you all might enjoy it. As part of Tempesta di Mare's Artist Recital Series, Richard Stone will play German and Austrian lute music from the high baroque. This recital features three grand-scale highlights of the baroque lute repertoire: Johann Sebastian Bach's eloquent and nostalgic "Pièces pour le Luth à Monsieur Schouster", Silvius Leopold Weiss's bold, forward-looking Sonata 43, and a magnificent Passacaglia Grave by Georg Muffat that encapsulates the style that Bach was musing upon and Weiss departing from in their suites. There are several options to view and experience the event (all times Eastern US). First there is the Opening Night Watch Party on Friday September 25 at 7 PM The Concert then is available for streaming on demand through Oct 4 On Sunday September 27^th at 5 PM Cameron Welkes, with guest Richard Stone, host a live discussion on the link between the constructive and repertoire developments of the lutes, in a related Tempesta Talks Ticket options: Choose your preferred way to enjoy the concert and the talks. Prices are $20 - $40. Direct Link to Info and Ticketing - [1]https://tempestadimare.secure.force.com/ticket/#/events/a0S0H0O1 XCkUAN Tickets and Information: [2]Tempestadimare.org. 215-755-8776 Instagram and Facebook: @philadelphiatempesta Also check out Tempesta's full season of Baroque Music which will also be available on line by streaming. Their next concert is The Four Winds, October 23-25 With every performance, Tempesta di Mare creates a sense of discovery. From innovative programming that has resulted in over 35 modern world premieres of lost and forgotten baroque masterpieces, to the ensemble's signature interpretive approach evoking drama and emotionâtheir performances are true to their name: "storm at sea." Best Regards, � John -- References 1. https://tempestadimare.secure.force.com/ticket/#/events/a0S0H0O1XCkUAN 2. http://tempestadimare.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] David Buch contact
Does anyone know how to contact David J. Buch who wrote his dissertation on La Rhétorique des Dieux? I would like ask his permission to use his translation in something. Regards David -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Pavana alla veniciana
On 15.09.20 19:33, Rainer wrote: Dear lute netters, the Tabualturbeilage 2018/4 contains a few pieces from Judenkunig's Underweisung. One of the pieces - the pvavana all Veniciana - looks very strange. Bars 15, 23, 31, 39 and 47 (attention: the barring in the Tabulaturbeilage is a mess) contain a minim(?) rest which does not make any musical sense. I think Judenkunig uses it to indicate that the previous note is dotted. Apparent he had no other means to indicate dotted rhythm) Well, this is the common notation for _rests_ in german lute tablature. The distinction between rests and dots is often blurry in early 16th century sources. Dotted notes are often notated as either rests or repeated notes/chords. Cheers, RalfD To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Pavana alla veniciana
Dear lute netters, the Tabualturbeilage 2018/4 contains a few pieces from Judenkunig's Underweisung. One of the pieces - the pvavana all Veniciana - looks very strange. Bars 15, 23, 31, 39 and 47 (attention: the barring in the Tabulaturbeilage is a mess) contain a minim(?) rest which does not make any musical sense. I think Judenkunig uses it to indicate that the previous note is dotted. Apparent he had no other means to indicate dotted rhythm) Indeed, the whole book does not contain any dotted rhythm symbols. Somewhat strange... Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Great performance
And the pessimistic lyrics are perhaps even as relevant today as they were 500 years ago. G -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Great performance
As I only started playing when Sarge's Archive was already well-filled,
I decided to start with Neusidler's book. It's really the best book for
beginners.
Other tutors are not as thoughtful.
Poulton was the worst: hey, let's play Packington's Pound, and then a
Fantasia by de Rippe...
While the learning curve in Neusidler is friendly, the music is
generally beautifully set and rewarding.
If you have someone who can sing the songs, or if you sing, the two
voice settings are very nice already.
On 14.09.20 23:26, Christopher Stetson wrote:
Thanks, Tristan, for the reference.
I have to admit Neusidler hasn't received the attention he (they)
deserve from me. Back when I was an enthusiastic young lutenist he
was largely unavailable due to the "language" barrier. I did make a
desultory attempt or two at learning German tablature, but, well...
And now it's all available translated!
Stay safe and keep playing,
Chris.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:48 PM Tristan von Neumann
<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
If you want to play it, the Hans Neusidler version is nice and easy.
Of course, his son also made a difficult version...
On 14.09.20 13:52, Christopher Stetson wrote:
> Hi, Tristan and all,
> I was not familiar with the song (and now I feel
inadequate), but yes,
> it is a beautiful and accomplished performance,Thanks!
> Stay safe and keep playing,
> Chris.
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:46 PM Tristan von Neumann
> <[1][2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>I just found this version of a song that is probably
familiar to all
>lutists.
>[2][3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc
>I don't know about you, but I think that's extremely
beautiful.
>To get on or off this list see list information at
>
[3][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
> --
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[5]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
> 2. [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc
> 3. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
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References
1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc
4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
5. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc
7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Great performance
Thanks, Tristan, for the reference. I have to admit Neusidler hasn't received the attention he (they) deserve from me. Back when I was an enthusiastic young lutenist he was largely unavailable due to the "language" barrier. I did make a desultory attempt or two at learning German tablature, but, well... And now it's all available translated! Stay safe and keep playing, Chris. On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:48 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: If you want to play it, the Hans Neusidler version is nice and easy. Of course, his son also made a difficult version... On 14.09.20 13:52, Christopher Stetson wrote: > Hi, Tristan and all, > I was not familiar with the song (and now I feel inadequate), but yes, > it is a beautiful and accomplished performance,Thanks! > Stay safe and keep playing, > Chris. > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:46 PM Tristan von Neumann > <[1][2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: > >I just found this version of a song that is probably familiar to all >lutists. >[2][3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc >I don't know about you, but I think that's extremely beautiful. >To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:[5]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 2. [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc > 3. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Great performance
If you want to play it, the Hans Neusidler version is nice and easy. Of course, his son also made a difficult version... On 14.09.20 13:52, Christopher Stetson wrote: Hi, Tristan and all, I was not familiar with the song (and now I feel inadequate), but yes, it is a beautiful and accomplished performance, Thanks! Stay safe and keep playing, Chris. On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:46 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: I just found this version of a song that is probably familiar to all lutists. [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc I don't know about you, but I think that's extremely beautiful. To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Great performance
Incredibly beautiful! Thanks to you, Tristan--for locating this--(superb performers!) On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:44 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: I just found this version of a song that is probably familiar to all lutists. [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc I don't know about you, but I think that's extremely beautiful. To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Great performance
Hi, Tristan and all, I was not familiar with the song (and now I feel inadequate), but yes, it is a beautiful and accomplished performance, Thanks! Stay safe and keep playing, Chris. On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:46 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: I just found this version of a song that is probably familiar to all lutists. [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc I don't know about you, but I think that's extremely beautiful. To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Downland/Byrd on 10-course lute (was: Ringfinger)
Ensemble music for voice, viol and lute: the mass for three voices and
some 5- and 6-part choral works performed by the two and/or three of
us. My own intabulations and/or simply read from the score.
David
***
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[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
[2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 at 10:37, Moshe Davis <[3]zaydiemo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello David,
You mentioned that you gave a concert of Dowland and Byrd on
10-course
lute. Which pieces from Byrd did you perform? I wasn't aware that
there
is much available in tablature from Byrd.
Thanks in advance,
Moshe Davis
Jerusalem
I have a nasty callus on my ring finger at the moment,
studied too
much
romantic guitar last week, so I did my concert (Dowland and
Byrd on
10-course lute) without ring finger today. Lovely tone, much
better!
David
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[LUTE] Downland/Byrd on 10-course lute (was: Ringfinger)
Hello David, You mentioned that you gave a concert of Dowland and Byrd on 10-course lute. Which pieces from Byrd did you perform? I wasn't aware that there is much available in tablature from Byrd. Thanks in advance, Moshe Davis Jerusalem I have a nasty callus on my ring finger at the moment, studied too much romantic guitar last week, so I did my concert (Dowland and Byrd on 10-course lute) without ring finger today. Lovely tone, much better! David -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Great performance
I just found this version of a song that is probably familiar to all lutists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc I don't know about you, but I think that's extremely beautiful. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Weird tradition
I’m sure lutelister David Tayler can explain their choics although it’s not listed as an instrument in the performance. > On Sep 13, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > I just noticed the glockenspiel in this performance: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JWYIY3icUg > > > I wonder why it is there. It seems to have come from this iconic recording: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmHR6GWQOWU > > > Does anyone know how they justified it? > > Not that this instrument wasn't around, but... > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Weird tradition
I just noticed the glockenspiel in this performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JWYIY3icUg I wonder why it is there. It seems to have come from this iconic recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmHR6GWQOWU Does anyone know how they justified it? Not that this instrument wasn't around, but... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lutegroup Progress
I just realized that Frank sent this to the lutelist rather than directly back to me. To clear up any confusion if present, the ning lutegroup cannot function as an email chat group, it’s forum based. That was the case with the old Ning 2.0 platform and the current Ning 3.0 platform, despite its several improvements Danny > On Sep 11, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. wrote: > > I really appreciate your efforts, David, but as I mentioned, one of the > things I have liked about the old group is that for me it is easier to > use. I simply get messages put in my "lute list" folder automatically, > and thus I can store them readily on my local machine. It is also > useful to have a pane containing a list of, say, 20 emails with their > subjects so I can easily select which ones to look at or respond to > instead of having to scroll down a list of partially displayed > messages. I can also delete the messages that I don't need so they > don't get in the way of the ones I do need. Maybe there will be ways of > using the new group that can answer these concerns, and maybe it's just > that this old dog can't learn new tricks that easily, but as things > stand I will find the new list less useful. > --Sarge > > On 9/11/2020 12:17, Lutegroup wrote: > > A couple days into the upgrade and very few major issues reported. > Thankfully all login information seems to have transferred OK. > > Remaining issues > > 1) At first all videos embedded from YouTube or Vimeo added before 2014 > were not showing up properly. The YouTube issue was fixed but > apparently old Vimeo embeds used Flash in a way not supported in 3.0. I > think this impacts very few older videos. If it impacts you, my > apologies and please feel free to re-upload/embed again. Should be no > problem with the new embed codes from Vimeo > > 2) Some new members have old accounts under another email. If this > applies to you and you did this on purpose, please let me know which of > the accounts you would like me to delete. > > 3) One of the features I did not activate was a personal Blog page. I > felt that most personal musings could have a home in the discussion > forum or events page and it was a minimally utilized feature on the old > site. I made a mistake when I set up the personal web page and included > a place for adding blogs, but since there was no actual blog page it > didn't show. Please let me know if you would want this feature on the > new site and as long as people are not writing 10,000 page manifestos > we could support it. > > Daniel Shoskes ([1]dshos...@mac.com) > > Visit Lutegroup at: > [2]https://lutegroup.ning.com/?xg_source=msg_mes_network > > > To control which emails you receive on Lutegroup, [3]click here > > -- > Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([4]sa...@gerbode.net) > 11132 Dell Ave > Forestville, CA 95436-9491 > Home phone: 707-820-1759 > Website: [5]http://www.gerbode.net > "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:dshos...@mac.com > 2. https://lutegroup.ning.com/?xg_source=msg_mes_network > 3. > https://Lutegroup.ning.com/main/profilesettings/email?xg_source=msg_mes_network > 4. mailto:sa...@gerbode.net > 5. http://www.gerbode.net/ > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lutegroup Progress
I really appreciate your efforts, David, but as I mentioned, one of the things I have liked about the old group is that for me it is easier to use. I simply get messages put in my "lute list" folder automatically, and thus I can store them readily on my local machine. It is also useful to have a pane containing a list of, say, 20 emails with their subjects so I can easily select which ones to look at or respond to instead of having to scroll down a list of partially displayed messages. I can also delete the messages that I don't need so they don't get in the way of the ones I do need. Maybe there will be ways of using the new group that can answer these concerns, and maybe it's just that this old dog can't learn new tricks that easily, but as things stand I will find the new list less useful. --Sarge On 9/11/2020 12:17, Lutegroup wrote: A couple days into the upgrade and very few major issues reported. Thankfully all login information seems to have transferred OK. Remaining issues 1) At first all videos embedded from YouTube or Vimeo added before 2014 were not showing up properly. The YouTube issue was fixed but apparently old Vimeo embeds used Flash in a way not supported in 3.0. I think this impacts very few older videos. If it impacts you, my apologies and please feel free to re-upload/embed again. Should be no problem with the new embed codes from Vimeo 2) Some new members have old accounts under another email. If this applies to you and you did this on purpose, please let me know which of the accounts you would like me to delete. 3) One of the features I did not activate was a personal Blog page. I felt that most personal musings could have a home in the discussion forum or events page and it was a minimally utilized feature on the old site. I made a mistake when I set up the personal web page and included a place for adding blogs, but since there was no actual blog page it didn't show. Please let me know if you would want this feature on the new site and as long as people are not writing 10,000 page manifestos we could support it. Daniel Shoskes ([1]dshos...@mac.com) Visit Lutegroup at: [2]https://lutegroup.ning.com/?xg_source=msg_mes_network To control which emails you receive on Lutegroup, [3]click here -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([4]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [5]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- References 1. mailto:dshos...@mac.com 2. https://lutegroup.ning.com/?xg_source=msg_mes_network 3. https://Lutegroup.ning.com/main/profilesettings/email?xg_source=msg_mes_network 4. mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 5. http://www.gerbode.net/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
Yes, I understood that the Battaglia is truly in two parts. I was
looking to see if there was a second *duet* part, to fill in what I now
understand to be gaps in the MS, as explained well by Jussi-Pekka
Lajunen . Looking at the vocal score I can see the
gaps would be filled in by a second 4-voiced choir. I understand that
Andre Nieuwlaat is going to look for a second
lute part (terminology is confusing, here), somewhere. Absent that, the
second part will have to be reconstructed from the vocal score.
--Sarge
On 9/10/2020 14:01, Sean Smith wrote:
The battle of Jannequin traditionally has had a first and second part,
sequentially.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 1:00 PM guy_and_liz Smith
<[1]guy_and_...@msn.com> wrote:
I've played a lot of Renaissance polyphony in facsimile (on
sackbut), and in that context, secunda pars means exactly what Ron
describes. With large numbers of voices, you will sometimes see XYZ
Vox to indicate a part/voice by number, such as Quinta Vox, but I've
never seen "pars" used to indicate a part/voice .
Guy
-Original Message-
From: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ron
Andrico
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:35 PM
To: Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.; Jussi-Pekka Lajunen;
[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
Sarge, I think you'll find that the term _secunda pars_
universally
applies to the second section of a composition that was conceived
in
more than one section, typically setting the continuation of a
long
poem or another sectional text.
For instance, in Phalese _Luculentum Theatrum Musicum_, 1568,
you'll
find on f.58v the Secunda pars and Tertia pars of a solo lute
setting
of Josquin's motet, Benedicta es. The rubrics indicate that the
motet
was composed in three sequential sections. On the following
page, f.
59, you will find lute duets with the heading,_Sequntur deinceps
carmina, duabus testudinibus accomoda_ ([music] following the
sacred
songs is accommodated for two lutes). The two different lute
parts are
not labeled other than the fact that the primary part carries an
indication that this particular duet is _ad secundum_, or for
lutes
tuned a step apart, and of course the duet part is printed upside
down
so both can play from the same book.
There seems to have been no standard convention in labeling the
separate parts of a lute duet but the most typical indication for
different parts was to label them superius, bassus, or tenor,
such as
found in Pacoloni, 1564. Nevertheless, _secunda pars_ is not
likely
an indication for a separate instrumental part.
RA
__
From: [5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
<[6]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Frank A.
Gerbode,
M.D. <[7]sa...@gerbode.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:45 PM
To: Jussi-Pekka Lajunen <[8]jlaju...@gmail.com>;
[9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
<[10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
Oh! I didn't find that score. Thanks so much! One approach
would be
to
intabulate the missing parts from the score, as a second lute
part
(maybe using red notes) or just to fill them in so a single lute
could
play the complete piece.
Since the first part does not have gaps or red notes, it, too
might
have
to be edited (red notes or whatever) to fit the score.
All that is a bit of an undertaking.
Meanwhile, I am soldiering on through the MS.
--Sarge
On 9/9/2020 15:31, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote:
> No, I haven't seen, but the numbers correspond to the duration
of
> rests in the first choir's part (and the nine semibreve long
section
> not included in the tablature). If you look at the score[1],
you can
> see there are rests that last for two semibreves on page 25,
for five
> semibreves on page 27, for 11 semibreves on pages 30â32, for
three
> semibreves on page 36, for six semibreves on pages 38â39 and
for 13
> semibreves on pages 40â42. Then there is a nine semibreve long
section
> on pages 33â34 that is missing from the tablature.
>
> There is no second lute part on the spreads in question
(ne
[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
The battle of Jannequin traditionally has had a first and second part,
sequentially.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 1:00 PM guy_and_liz Smith
<[1]guy_and_...@msn.com> wrote:
I've played a lot of Renaissance polyphony in facsimile (on
sackbut), and in that context, secunda pars means exactly what Ron
describes. With large numbers of voices, you will sometimes see XYZ
Vox to indicate a part/voice by number, such as Quinta Vox, but I've
never seen "pars" used to indicate a part/voice .
Guy
-Original Message-
From: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ron
Andrico
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:35 PM
To: Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.; Jussi-Pekka Lajunen;
[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
Sarge, I think you'll find that the term _secunda pars_
universally
applies to the second section of a composition that was conceived
in
more than one section, typically setting the continuation of a
long
poem or another sectional text.
For instance, in Phalese _Luculentum Theatrum Musicum_, 1568,
you'll
find on f.58v the Secunda pars and Tertia pars of a solo lute
setting
of Josquin's motet, Benedicta es. The rubrics indicate that the
motet
was composed in three sequential sections. On the following
page, f.
59, you will find lute duets with the heading,_Sequntur deinceps
carmina, duabus testudinibus accomoda_ ([music] following the
sacred
songs is accommodated for two lutes). The two different lute
parts are
not labeled other than the fact that the primary part carries an
indication that this particular duet is _ad secundum_, or for
lutes
tuned a step apart, and of course the duet part is printed upside
down
so both can play from the same book.
There seems to have been no standard convention in labeling the
separate parts of a lute duet but the most typical indication for
different parts was to label them superius, bassus, or tenor,
such as
found in Pacoloni, 1564. Nevertheless, _secunda pars_ is not
likely
an indication for a separate instrumental part.
RA
__
From: [5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
<[6]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Frank A.
Gerbode,
M.D. <[7]sa...@gerbode.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:45 PM
To: Jussi-Pekka Lajunen <[8]jlaju...@gmail.com>;
[9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
<[10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
Oh! I didn't find that score. Thanks so much! One approach
would be
to
intabulate the missing parts from the score, as a second lute
part
(maybe using red notes) or just to fill them in so a single lute
could
play the complete piece.
Since the first part does not have gaps or red notes, it, too
might
have
to be edited (red notes or whatever) to fit the score.
All that is a bit of an undertaking.
Meanwhile, I am soldiering on through the MS.
--Sarge
On 9/9/2020 15:31, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote:
> No, I haven't seen, but the numbers correspond to the duration
of
> rests in the first choir's part (and the nine semibreve long
section
> not included in the tablature). If you look at the score[1],
you can
> see there are rests that last for two semibreves on page 25,
for five
> semibreves on page 27, for 11 semibreves on pages 30â32, for
three
> semibreves on page 36, for six semibreves on pages 38â39 and
for 13
> semibreves on pages 40â42. Then there is a nine semibreve long
section
> on pages 33â34 that is missing from the tablature.
>
> There is no second lute part on the spreads in question
(neither in
> red notes nor reversed), which is the reason why I thought that
the
> possible second lute part might not be in the same manuscript.
>
> [1]
>
[1][11]https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2
F%2Fks.petruccimusiclibrary.org%2Ffiles%2Fimglnks%2Fusimg%2F4%2F41%2
FIMSLP145data=02%7C01%7C%7C1d122b2434f14668a1e508d855c0e2c1%7C8
4df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637353634211155008sda
ta=WpwxBSNuL32CEyzsR%2F2csoPK5fkznKS2gzIkUs0JqXA%3Dreserved=0
459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf
>
> Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoi
[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
I've played a lot of Renaissance polyphony in facsimile (on sackbut), and in that context, secunda pars means exactly what Ron describes. With large numbers of voices, you will sometimes see XYZ Vox to indicate a part/voice by number, such as Quinta Vox, but I've never seen "pars" used to indicate a part/voice . Guy -Original Message----- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Andrico Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:35 PM To: Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.; Jussi-Pekka Lajunen; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2 Sarge, I think you'll find that the term _secunda pars_ universally applies to the second section of a composition that was conceived in more than one section, typically setting the continuation of a long poem or another sectional text. For instance, in Phalese _Luculentum Theatrum Musicum_, 1568, you'll find on f.58v the Secunda pars and Tertia pars of a solo lute setting of Josquin's motet, Benedicta es. The rubrics indicate that the motet was composed in three sequential sections. On the following page, f. 59, you will find lute duets with the heading,_Sequntur deinceps carmina, duabus testudinibus accomoda_ ([music] following the sacred songs is accommodated for two lutes). The two different lute parts are not labeled other than the fact that the primary part carries an indication that this particular duet is _ad secundum_, or for lutes tuned a step apart, and of course the duet part is printed upside down so both can play from the same book. There seems to have been no standard convention in labeling the separate parts of a lute duet but the most typical indication for different parts was to label them superius, bassus, or tenor, such as found in Pacoloni, 1564. Nevertheless, _secunda pars_ is not likely an indication for a separate instrumental part. RA __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:45 PM To: Jussi-Pekka Lajunen ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2 Oh! I didn't find that score. Thanks so much! One approach would be to intabulate the missing parts from the score, as a second lute part (maybe using red notes) or just to fill them in so a single lute could play the complete piece. Since the first part does not have gaps or red notes, it, too might have to be edited (red notes or whatever) to fit the score. All that is a bit of an undertaking. Meanwhile, I am soldiering on through the MS. --Sarge On 9/9/2020 15:31, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: > No, I haven't seen, but the numbers correspond to the duration of > rests in the first choir's part (and the nine semibreve long section > not included in the tablature). If you look at the score[1], you can > see there are rests that last for two semibreves on page 25, for five > semibreves on page 27, for 11 semibreves on pages 30–32, for three > semibreves on page 36, for six semibreves on pages 38–39 and for 13 > semibreves on pages 40–42. Then there is a nine semibreve long section > on pages 33–34 that is missing from the tablature. > > There is no second lute part on the spreads in question (neither in > red notes nor reversed), which is the reason why I thought that the > possible second lute part might not be in the same manuscript. > > [1] > [1]https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fks.petruccimusiclibrary.org%2Ffiles%2Fimglnks%2Fusimg%2F4%2F41%2FIMSLP145data=02%7C01%7C%7C1d122b2434f14668a1e508d855c0e2c1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637353634211155008sdata=WpwxBSNuL32CEyzsR%2F2csoPK5fkznKS2gzIkUs0JqXA%3Dreserved=0 459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf > > Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 10.9.2020 klo 0.08: >> Well, as we have discussed, the red notes are apparently played from >> the same score on a second lute, and elsewhere in Eysert, there are >> apparently both parts of some duets, some reversed to play off >> the same >> MS (haven't run across them yet). That suggests that there may >> not be a >> second part book, which doesn't mean a second part isn't lurking in >> some other random MS. >> I we ignore the # º notations entirely, Part 2 sounds quite all >> right to >> my ears as is, so the notations might mean something entirely >> different... >> Andre Nieuwlaat is going to hunt around and see if he can find a >> second >> part. Perhaps it would ha
[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
Sarge, I think you'll find that the term _secunda pars_ universally applies to the second section of a composition that was conceived in more than one section, typically setting the continuation of a long poem or another sectional text. For instance, in Phalese _Luculentum Theatrum Musicum_, 1568, you'll find on f.58v the Secunda pars and Tertia pars of a solo lute setting of Josquin's motet, Benedicta es. The rubrics indicate that the motet was composed in three sequential sections. On the following page, f. 59, you will find lute duets with the heading,_Sequntur deinceps carmina, duabus testudinibus accomoda_ ([music] following the sacred songs is accommodated for two lutes). The two different lute parts are not labeled other than the fact that the primary part carries an indication that this particular duet is _ad secundum_, or for lutes tuned a step apart, and of course the duet part is printed upside down so both can play from the same book. There seems to have been no standard convention in labeling the separate parts of a lute duet but the most typical indication for different parts was to label them superius, bassus, or tenor, such as found in Pacoloni, 1564. Nevertheless, _secunda pars_ is not likely an indication for a separate instrumental part. RA __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:45 PM To: Jussi-Pekka Lajunen ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2 Oh! I didn't find that score. Thanks so much! One approach would be to intabulate the missing parts from the score, as a second lute part (maybe using red notes) or just to fill them in so a single lute could play the complete piece. Since the first part does not have gaps or red notes, it, too might have to be edited (red notes or whatever) to fit the score. All that is a bit of an undertaking. Meanwhile, I am soldiering on through the MS. --Sarge On 9/9/2020 15:31, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: > No, I haven't seen, but the numbers correspond to the duration of > rests in the first choir's part (and the nine semibreve long section > not included in the tablature). If you look at the score[1], you can > see there are rests that last for two semibreves on page 25, for five > semibreves on page 27, for 11 semibreves on pages 30â32, for three > semibreves on page 36, for six semibreves on pages 38â39 and for 13 > semibreves on pages 40â42. Then there is a nine semibreve long section > on pages 33â34 that is missing from the tablature. > > There is no second lute part on the spreads in question (neither in > red notes nor reversed), which is the reason why I thought that the > possible second lute part might not be in the same manuscript. > > [1] > [1]http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP145 459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf > > Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 10.9.2020 klo 0.08: >> Well, as we have discussed, the red notes are apparently played from >> the same score on a second lute, and elsewhere in Eysert, there are >> apparently both parts of some duets, some reversed to play off >> the same >> MS (haven't run across them yet). That suggests that there may >> not be a >> second part book, which doesn't mean a second part isn't lurking in >> some other random MS. >> I we ignore the # º notations entirely, Part 2 sounds quite all >> right to >> my ears as is, so the notations might mean something entirely >> different... >> Andre Nieuwlaat is going to hunt around and see if he can find a >> second >> part. Perhaps it would have similar notations to indicate missing >> bars, >> meant to be played from the version in Eysert. >> Have you seen notations like this anywhere else in the lute >> literature? I haven't. > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. (sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [3]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." Virus-free. [4]www.avast.com -- References Visible links: 1. http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP145459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.gerbode.net/
[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
Oh! I didn't find that score. Thanks so much! One approach would be to intabulate the missing parts from the score, as a second lute part (maybe using red notes) or just to fill them in so a single lute could play the complete piece. Since the first part does not have gaps or red notes, it, too might have to be edited (red notes or whatever) to fit the score. All that is a bit of an undertaking. Meanwhile, I am soldiering on through the MS. --Sarge On 9/9/2020 15:31, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: No, I haven't seen, but the numbers correspond to the duration of rests in the first choir's part (and the nine semibreve long section not included in the tablature). If you look at the score[1], you can see there are rests that last for two semibreves on page 25, for five semibreves on page 27, for 11 semibreves on pages 30–32, for three semibreves on page 36, for six semibreves on pages 38–39 and for 13 semibreves on pages 40–42. Then there is a nine semibreve long section on pages 33–34 that is missing from the tablature. There is no second lute part on the spreads in question (neither in red notes nor reversed), which is the reason why I thought that the possible second lute part might not be in the same manuscript. [1] http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP145459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 10.9.2020 klo 0.08: Well, as we have discussed, the red notes are apparently played from the same score on a second lute, and elsewhere in Eysert, there are apparently both parts of some duets, some reversed to play off the same MS (haven't run across them yet). That suggests that there may not be a second part book, which doesn't mean a second part isn't lurking in some other random MS. I we ignore the #º notations entirely, Part 2 sounds quite all right to my ears as is, so the notations might mean something entirely different... Andre Nieuwlaat is going to hunt around and see if he can find a second part. Perhaps it would have similar notations to indicate missing bars, meant to be played from the version in Eysert. Have you seen notations like this anywhere else in the lute literature? I haven't. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. (sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got."
[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
No, I haven't seen, but the numbers correspond to the duration of rests in the first choir's part (and the nine semibreve long section not included in the tablature). If you look at the score[1], you can see there are rests that last for two semibreves on page 25, for five semibreves on page 27, for 11 semibreves on pages 30–32, for three semibreves on page 36, for six semibreves on pages 38–39 and for 13 semibreves on pages 40–42. Then there is a nine semibreve long section on pages 33–34 that is missing from the tablature. There is no second lute part on the spreads in question (neither in red notes nor reversed), which is the reason why I thought that the possible second lute part might not be in the same manuscript. [1] http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP145459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 10.9.2020 klo 0.08: Well, as we have discussed, the red notes are apparently played from the same score on a second lute, and elsewhere in Eysert, there are apparently both parts of some duets, some reversed to play off the same MS (haven't run across them yet). That suggests that there may not be a second part book, which doesn't mean a second part isn't lurking in some other random MS. I we ignore the #º notations entirely, Part 2 sounds quite all right to my ears as is, so the notations might mean something entirely different... Andre Nieuwlaat is going to hunt around and see if he can find a second part. Perhaps it would have similar notations to indicate missing bars, meant to be played from the version in Eysert. Have you seen notations like this anywhere else in the lute literature? I haven't. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
Well, as we have discussed, the red notes are apparently played from the same score on a second lute, and elsewhere in Eysert, there are apparently both parts of some duets, some reversed to play off the same MS (haven't run across them yet). That suggests that there may not be a second part book, which doesn't mean a second part isn't lurking in some other random MS. I we ignore the #º notations entirely, Part 2 sounds quite all right to my ears as is, so the notations might mean something entirely different... Andre Nieuwlaat is going to hunt around and see if he can find a second part. Perhaps it would have similar notations to indicate missing bars, meant to be played from the version in Eysert. Have you seen notations like this anywhere else in the lute literature? I haven't. The numbers above the staff I have seen have been numbers for variations ( as in [1]V Galilei's infamous Romanesca variations, where they go up to 100) or above the repeat double bar at the end of a repeated section to say how many times it is repeated (usually 2, but I have seen 3). --Sarge On 9/9/2020 11:48, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: The Secunda pars" is "Seconda Parte" of Battaglia by Orazio Vecchi. See page 25: [2]http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP 145459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf Also see: [3]https://i.imgur.com/fhZWglm.png I guess the second choir's part is not in the same lute book. It would not make sense to have it there anyway if the intabulation was meant to be played by two lutenists. Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 9.9.2020 klo 21.18: Hmmm. I don't see another version of the Battaglia. There is a Part 1 (same file), which has 72 bars, where part 2 has 55. If we add a total of 30 interpolated bars to part 2, we get 85 bars, so the bar numbers still wouldn't fit between the two parts, and I have not tried to see if the harmonies would fit if I tried combining the two parts as a duet. The source doesn't specify what the "Secunda pars" on f. 62v is a part 2 of, but it seems to be a battle type piece, so it's logical to include it as Part 2 of the Bataglia on ff. 65v-66. The Galliarda Graff vonn Schwartzenburg at the bottom of f.66 seems to be a "filler" between the two parts, unrelated to them. I guess paper was at a premium, so there was a tendency to fill in any blanks. To me, then, it's still a mystery. --Sarge On 9/8/2020 11:07, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: They seem to indicate the duration of rests. In this case there are no red notes. I wonder if there is a intabulation of the second choir's part elsewhere in the manuscript. See: [1][4]https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 8.9.2020 klo 18.47: After bars 2, 5, 13, 17, 22, 26, and 31 in this piece, there are numbers, like #Ãâð6, #Ãâð13, etc.Ãâ Can anyone help me figure out what this might mean? --Sarge -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([[5]2]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website:[3][6]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([[8]5]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [6][9]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- References 1. [10]https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 2. [11]mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 3. [12]http://www.gerbode.net/ 4. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. [14]mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 6. [15]http://www.gerbode.net/ -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([16]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [17]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- References 1. http://gerbode.net/sources/GalileiV/libro_d_intavolatura_di_liuto_1584/v1/romanesca_11_Fm_with_100_parts/pdf/ 2. http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP145459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf 3. https://i.imgur.com/fhZWglm.png 4. https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 5. mailto:2]sa...@gerbode.ne
[LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?
Thank you all who helped me (JM, Ron, GS, David S in particular) and so
fast! I feel ashamed to answer you so late (had a day of guitar
teaching - bread and butter, you know the story).
One more reason to keep this list afloat - in whatever form - we get
by with a little help from our friends (early music quote alert).
David
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wrote:
Acadamia.edu has a copy for free if you want. I sent a copy to
David.
David
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Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:25 PM
To: Lutelist <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [LUTE] Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of
preface?
Dear collected mind.
Could someone direct me to such, if available?
David
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[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
The Secunda pars" is "Seconda Parte" of Battaglia by Orazio Vecchi. See page 25: http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP145459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf Also see: https://i.imgur.com/fhZWglm.png I guess the second choir's part is not in the same lute book. It would not make sense to have it there anyway if the intabulation was meant to be played by two lutenists. Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 9.9.2020 klo 21.18: Hmmm. I don't see another version of the Battaglia. There is a Part 1 (same file), which has 72 bars, where part 2 has 55. If we add a total of 30 interpolated bars to part 2, we get 85 bars, so the bar numbers still wouldn't fit between the two parts, and I have not tried to see if the harmonies would fit if I tried combining the two parts as a duet. The source doesn't specify what the "Secunda pars" on f. 62v is a part 2 of, but it seems to be a battle type piece, so it's logical to include it as Part 2 of the Bataglia on ff. 65v-66. The Galliarda Graff vonn Schwartzenburg at the bottom of f.66 seems to be a "filler" between the two parts, unrelated to them. I guess paper was at a premium, so there was a tendency to fill in any blanks. To me, then, it's still a mystery. --Sarge On 9/8/2020 11:07, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: They seem to indicate the duration of rests. In this case there are no red notes. I wonder if there is a intabulation of the second choir's part elsewhere in the manuscript. See: [1]https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 8.9.2020 klo 18.47: After bars 2, 5, 13, 17, 22, 26, and 31 in this piece, there are numbers, like #°6, #°13, etc. Can anyone help me figure out what this might mean? --Sarge -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([2]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website:[3]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([5]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [6]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- References 1. https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 2. mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 3. http://www.gerbode.net/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 6. http://www.gerbode.net/
[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
Hmmm. I don't see another version of the Battaglia. There is a Part 1 (same file), which has 72 bars, where part 2 has 55. If we add a total of 30 interpolated bars to part 2, we get 85 bars, so the bar numbers still wouldn't fit between the two parts, and I have not tried to see if the harmonies would fit if I tried combining the two parts as a duet. The source doesn't specify what the "Secunda pars" on f. 62v is a part 2 of, but it seems to be a battle type piece, so it's logical to include it as Part 2 of the Bataglia on ff. 65v-66. The Galliarda Graff vonn Schwartzenburg at the bottom of f.66 seems to be a "filler" between the two parts, unrelated to them. I guess paper was at a premium, so there was a tendency to fill in any blanks. To me, then, it's still a mystery. --Sarge On 9/8/2020 11:07, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: They seem to indicate the duration of rests. In this case there are no red notes. I wonder if there is a intabulation of the second choir's part elsewhere in the manuscript. See: [1]https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 8.9.2020 klo 18.47: After bars 2, 5, 13, 17, 22, 26, and 31 in this piece, there are numbers, like #ð6, #ð13, etc.à Can anyone help me figure out what this might mean? --Sarge -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([2]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website:[3]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([5]sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [6]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- References 1. https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 2. mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 3. http://www.gerbode.net/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 6. http://www.gerbode.net/
[LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?
Acadamia.edu has a copy for free if you want. I sent a copy to David. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of David van Ooijen Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:25 PM To: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface? Dear collected mind. Could someone direct me to such, if available? David -- *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?
Proquest has it for $41 as a PDF. Pub ID 8315922. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Ron Andrico Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 6:29 AM To: David van Ooijen ; Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface? Dear David: Have you seen David J. Buch's dissertation, "Rhétorique des Dieux: A Critical Study of Text, Illustration, and Musical Style," Northwestern University, 1983? I have it somewhere if you are unable to locate a copy. RA __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of David van Ooijen Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:25 AM To: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface? Dear collected mind. Could someone direct me to such, if available? David -- *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. [1]mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [2]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Virus-free. [4]www.avast.com -- References Visible links: 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link Hidden links: 6. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon 7. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L2732262-1140TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
[LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?
Dear David: Have you seen David J. Buch's dissertation, "Rhétorique des Dieux: A Critical Study of Text, Illustration, and Musical Style," Northwestern University, 1983? I have it somewhere if you are unable to locate a copy. RA __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of David van Ooijen Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:25 AM To: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface? Dear collected mind. Could someone direct me to such, if available? David -- *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. [1]mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [2]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Virus-free. [4]www.avast.com -- References Visible links: 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link Hidden links: 6. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon 7. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L2732262-1140TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
[LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?
Dear David Not a direct answer, but a link to the tricky story of the Rhétorique: https://accordsnouveaux.ch/en/la-rhetorique-des-dieux/bremen-lecture-2013 There’s a big gap between the goals of Anne-Achille de Chambré, explained in the foreword, and the real book. Enjoy! Andreas > Am 09.09.2020 um 07:25 schrieb David van Ooijen : > > Dear collected mind. > > Could someone direct me to such, if available? > > David > > -- > > *** > David van Ooijen > [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com > [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com > *** > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?
Dear collected mind. Could someone direct me to such, if available? David -- *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
They seem to indicate the duration of rests. In this case there are no red notes. I wonder if there is a intabulation of the second choir's part elsewhere in the manuscript. See: https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 8.9.2020 klo 18.47: After bars 2, 5, 13, 17, 22, 26, and 31 in this piece, there are numbers, like #°6, #°13, etc. Can anyone help me figure out what this might mean? --Sarge -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. (sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website:http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem
Am 08.09.2020 um 17:55 schrieb howard posner: On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:18 AM, Rainer wrote: According to a source I cannot remember the Sonata lasted 55 minutes when played by Liszt. He wrote presque une heure - even slower. Playing everything as asked for by Beethoven makes 32 minutes. As far as I know there is not a single recording that lasts 32 minutes only. I am not really interested in Liszt's tempo and I am convinced that some modern players can play faster than Liszt. I am interested in other people's opinions regarding the metronome markings in those days. Some pieces by Czerny are ridiculously fast in modern interpretation. Some Pieces by Schumann are totally ruined unless played at half the speed. On the other hand Chopin#s etudes played at half the speed sound somewhat boring. I simply do not know... See for example https://youtu.be/7PwoFoZTTHU Sometimes his arguments are not really convincing nor are his music examples, but there is certainly some truth in it. Rainer PS Even Korstick is slower :) And a certain Alfred Brendel said "Das vorgeschriebene Tempo des ersten Satzes zumal ist von keinem Spieler, und sei es der Teufel persönlich, auf irgendeinem Flügel der Welt auch nur annähernd zu bewältigen." Liszt said something of the sort in a letter written 40 years after the performance Berlioz reviewed. For all we know, he hadn’t played it in years and didn’t recall accurately. Or he took the fast movements slower as time went on. Or he took the slow movement, or the sections that don’t have metronome markings, more slowly. And for all we know, Berlioz didn’t mean to say specifically that Liszt played at Beethoven’s indicated metronome markings, only that he didn’t play around with the tempo once he started. And even if he did, maybe Berlioz, sitting in a theater with the sheet music but without a metronome, couldn’t tell the difference between quarter note = 144 and quarter note =130. This all pretty much exemplifies the problems of discussing tempo in the pre-recording age. I haven’t found any source saying Lizst was unable to play the sonata at the indicated tempi. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Le Luth Doré
everything is fine. My provider treated the order confirmation as spam :( Rainer Am 08.09.2020 um 16:00 schrieb Rainer: Dear lute netters, has anybody ordered something form Le Luth Doré ? I have placed an order and already paid via PayPal but not received an order confirmation. Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem
> On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:18 AM, Rainer wrote: > > According to a source I cannot remember the Sonata lasted 55 minutes when > played by Liszt. Liszt said something of the sort in a letter written 40 years after the performance Berlioz reviewed. For all we know, he hadn’t played it in years and didn’t recall accurately. Or he took the fast movements slower as time went on. Or he took the slow movement, or the sections that don’t have metronome markings, more slowly. And for all we know, Berlioz didn’t mean to say specifically that Liszt played at Beethoven’s indicated metronome markings, only that he didn’t play around with the tempo once he started. And even if he did, maybe Berlioz, sitting in a theater with the sheet music but without a metronome, couldn’t tell the difference between quarter note = 144 and quarter note =130. This all pretty much exemplifies the problems of discussing tempo in the pre-recording age. I haven’t found any source saying Lizst was unable to play the sonata at the indicated tempi. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2
After bars 2, 5, 13, 17, 22, 26, and 31 in this piece, there are numbers, like #°6, #°13, etc. Can anyone help me figure out what this might mean? --Sarge -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. (sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website:http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Le Luth Doré
Yes, ordered a couple of editions from them earlier in the year. Received both a PayPal receipt and an automated receipt from their webshop. The order took a few months (mostly due to COVID/La Poste I think), but Miguel was responsive and nice over email when I had queries about this, so I would send them an email if you are unsure. Jim On 8 Sep 2020, 16:02 +0200, Rainer , wrote: Dear lute netters, has anybody ordered something form Le Luth Doré ? I have placed an order and already paid via PayPal but not received an order confirmation. Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Le Luth Doré
Dear lute netters, has anybody ordered something form Le Luth Doré ? I have placed an order and already paid via PayPal but not received an order confirmation. Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem
The applause was probably included :) :) T* On 08.09.20 12:18, Rainer wrote: According to a source I cannot remember the Sonata lasted 55 minutes when played by Liszt. This is much slower than some modern performances. Rainer Am 08.09.2020 um 01:09 schrieb howard posner: On Sep 7, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Rainer wrote: Even List could not play the Hammerklavier Sonate at Beethoven's metronome markings - if they are meant as they are today. Hector Berlioz seems to indicate otherwise in an 1836 review of a Liszt concert in the La Revue et Gazette musicale de Paris: "Liszt has explained the work in such a way that if the composer himself had returned from the grave, joy and pride would have swept over him. Not a note was left out, not one added (I followed the performance with the sheet music), not one alteration was made in the tempo that was not indicated in the text (….) It was the ideal performance of a work with the reputation of being unperformable. Liszt, in bringing back a work that was previously not understood has shown that he is a pianist of the future.” This quote is from "Early Performances of Beethoven’s ‘Hammerklavier’ Sonata op. 106 in France and England” by Marten Noorduin: https://www.ripm.org/cnc/?p=592 Here’s a different translation: "A new Oedipus, Liszt, has solved it, solved it in such a way that had the composer himself returned from the grave, a paroxysm of joy and pride would have swept over him. Not a note was left out, not one added . . . no inflection was effaced, no change of tempo permitted. Liszt, in thus making comprehensible a work not yet comprehended, has proved that he is the pianist of the future." I haven’t seen the original Berlioz article in French (and it wouldn’t do me much good if I did). The real problem with Beethoven’s metronome marks is that they were ignored in the early 20th century, and by time the early music movement got to Beethoven there was a performance tradition going back a few generations, and zillions of recordings establishing an accepted range of tempi. Some of them worked even though they were ridiculously wrong as a matter of performance practice: the Allegretto second movement of the Seventh Symphony played as if it were a slow movement comes to mind. If I’m not mistaken, the Hammerklavier was the only piano sonata Beethoven published with metronome marks. There are far more of them in the orchestral works. Roger Norrington, in his recordings of the Beethoven orchestral works, adhered to the metronome markings, and often offers explanations of them in his written notes. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem
According to a source I cannot remember the Sonata lasted 55 minutes when played by Liszt. This is much slower than some modern performances. Rainer Am 08.09.2020 um 01:09 schrieb howard posner: On Sep 7, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Rainer wrote: Even List could not play the Hammerklavier Sonate at Beethoven's metronome markings - if they are meant as they are today. Hector Berlioz seems to indicate otherwise in an 1836 review of a Liszt concert in the La Revue et Gazette musicale de Paris: "Liszt has explained the work in such a way that if the composer himself had returned from the grave, joy and pride would have swept over him. Not a note was left out, not one added (I followed the performance with the sheet music), not one alteration was made in the tempo that was not indicated in the text (….) It was the ideal performance of a work with the reputation of being unperformable. Liszt, in bringing back a work that was previously not understood has shown that he is a pianist of the future.” This quote is from "Early Performances of Beethoven’s ‘Hammerklavier’ Sonata op. 106 in France and England” by Marten Noorduin: https://www.ripm.org/cnc/?p=592 Here’s a different translation: "A new Oedipus, Liszt, has solved it, solved it in such a way that had the composer himself returned from the grave, a paroxysm of joy and pride would have swept over him. Not a note was left out, not one added . . . no inflection was effaced, no change of tempo permitted. Liszt, in thus making comprehensible a work not yet comprehended, has proved that he is the pianist of the future." I haven’t seen the original Berlioz article in French (and it wouldn’t do me much good if I did). The real problem with Beethoven’s metronome marks is that they were ignored in the early 20th century, and by time the early music movement got to Beethoven there was a performance tradition going back a few generations, and zillions of recordings establishing an accepted range of tempi. Some of them worked even though they were ridiculously wrong as a matter of performance practice: the Allegretto second movement of the Seventh Symphony played as if it were a slow movement comes to mind. If I’m not mistaken, the Hammerklavier was the only piano sonata Beethoven published with metronome marks. There are far more of them in the orchestral works. Roger Norrington, in his recordings of the Beethoven orchestral works, adhered to the metronome markings, and often offers explanations of them in his written notes. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem
> On Sep 7, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Rainer wrote: > > As an illustration see the incredible https://youtu.be/NmI_ALcEGUw And so I learn that there really is a pianist named Vincenzo Maltempo. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem
> On Sep 7, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Rainer wrote: > > Even List could not play the Hammerklavier Sonate at Beethoven's metronome > markings - if they are meant as they are today. Hector Berlioz seems to indicate otherwise in an 1836 review of a Liszt concert in the La Revue et Gazette musicale de Paris: "Liszt has explained the work in such a way that if the composer himself had returned from the grave, joy and pride would have swept over him. Not a note was left out, not one added (I followed the performance with the sheet music), not one alteration was made in the tempo that was not indicated in the text (….) It was the ideal performance of a work with the reputation of being unperformable. Liszt, in bringing back a work that was previously not understood has shown that he is a pianist of the future.” This quote is from "Early Performances of Beethoven’s ‘Hammerklavier’ Sonata op. 106 in France and England” by Marten Noorduin: https://www.ripm.org/cnc/?p=592 Here’s a different translation: "A new Oedipus, Liszt, has solved it, solved it in such a way that had the composer himself returned from the grave, a paroxysm of joy and pride would have swept over him. Not a note was left out, not one added . . . no inflection was effaced, no change of tempo permitted. Liszt, in thus making comprehensible a work not yet comprehended, has proved that he is the pianist of the future." I haven’t seen the original Berlioz article in French (and it wouldn’t do me much good if I did). The real problem with Beethoven’s metronome marks is that they were ignored in the early 20th century, and by time the early music movement got to Beethoven there was a performance tradition going back a few generations, and zillions of recordings establishing an accepted range of tempi. Some of them worked even though they were ridiculously wrong as a matter of performance practice: the Allegretto second movement of the Seventh Symphony played as if it were a slow movement comes to mind. If I’m not mistaken, the Hammerklavier was the only piano sonata Beethoven published with metronome marks. There are far more of them in the orchestral works. Roger Norrington, in his recordings of the Beethoven orchestral works, adhered to the metronome markings, and often offers explanations of them in his written notes. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem
Dear lute netters, as most of you probably know there was and is some discussion about the metronome markings in the first half of the 19th century. Even List could not play the Hammerklavier Sonate at Beethoven's metronome markings - if they are meant as they are today. I wonder what others think about this problem. Rainer As an illustration see the incredible https://youtu.be/NmI_ALcEGUw To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Ning Lutegroup upcoming upgrade
If you are a member of [1]lutegroup.ning.com please ignore because you just received a more detailed email about this. For the rest of you, I wanted to let you know that I will be migrating the group to their new upgraded platform with some nicer features. If you would like to see what it looks like, there are currently 3 pages that can be viewed if you are not a member: [2]https://newlutegroup.ning.com (home page) [3]https://newlutegroup.ning.com/lutes-for-sale (a lutes for sale section done as a forum) [4]https://newlutegroup.ning.com/lutes-for-sale-blog (a lutes for sale section done as a blog- was recommended to me as a nicer way to do it since the photo of the instrument will be seen even in scrolling view) After the migration, the group will retain its URL of [5]lutegroup.ning.com and [6]newlutegroup.ning.com will no longer exist. One of the new features of the platform is you can request to get an email whenever new posts are made in any or all of the forums so it could behave a bit like an email group. I'm not looking to replace this email discussion group or the lutes for sale page. The Ning site has co-existed with them and will continue whether or not a suitable replacement is found. I just want people to be aware that there is an option if a stop-gap is needed, since Wayne does not have control of when the dartmouth sites are closed. Daniel Shoskes -- References 1. http://lutegroup.ning.com/ 2. https://newlutegroup.ning.com/ 3. https://newlutegroup.ning.com/lutes-for-sale 4. https://newlutegroup.ning.com/lutes-for-sale-blog 5. http://lutegroup.ning.com/ 6. http://newlutegroup.ning.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My web site (long and probably tedious)
Thanks to those who pointed out the errors in my manner of inserting interpolations - in fact, I did try to do something like this by putting in spaces and inserting a dash before my comments, but much was lost by the system not copying how I separated text (eg see the extract below). And I don't understand why this is either.. regards Martyn On Saturday, 5 September 2020, 17:52:20 BST, Ralf Mattes wrote: On 05.09.20 18:29, G. C. wrote: > PS What might also be good, would be the ability to send parts of > messages in bold/italic etc which the current system seems to > put into > plain text. For example, my interpolations here would be clearer > if put > in bold. Why ignore the de-facto standard that exist for quotes in mails since the beginning of time (long before "the internet" became a thing). Quotes are prefixed with '>' (or, if you insist, with '|'). That way you can even quote quotes etc. Any decent mail client will do this automatically when you chose to 'reply' to an email. >You could yourself have made them clearer by putting marks like plus >signs or asterisks or whatever at beginning and end. I know that >separating text doesn't seem to work sometimes, and don't understand >why that is. >G. Cheers, Ralf Mattes To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Francisque
I should point out - if someone hasn't already - that the Francisque is one of
Luth d'ore's editions. Really clearly printed and well thought-out edition. I
recommend it highly.
Joseph mayes
From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
on behalf of Christopher Stetson
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 10:42 AM
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [LUTE] Re: Francisque
Hello Tristan and Jean-Marie.
I've had a facsimile copy of the Tresor since one bought those things
with a check in an envelope, and agree about the quality of the music,
but haven't had it out in years, so thanks for the reminder. I
have played through Susanne, but tend more toward the dances.
Best, and keep playing,
Chris.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:47 PM Tristan von Neumann
<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
I agree, some of the pieces require virtuosity.
But I found that the fingering is quite logical, and most pieces
still
sound good when played slowly.
It's not a ride like Eysert, or Terzi Intabulations...
When I wrote 7c I meant: if you have less than required number of
diapasons, 7c is still good to go.
On 04.09.20 18:56, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:
> Hi Tristan and all,
>
> "Le Trésor d'Orphée" is a very popular print with players
interested
> in the music of the early 17th century, different from Vallet,
Besard
> or Ballard.
> It is one of my frequent sources to perform from, but I would
> certainly not qualify its difficulty "moderate" !!! For instance
the
> opening piece "Susanne un jour" requires a solid technique and so
do
> some of the Galliards or Fantasies... True, some of the dances
> (Branles) are quite nice rewarding to play but not all of the
music is
> simple and easy ! And by the way, an 8 course is much more
> "comfortable" to play it through ;-) !
>
> All the best,
> Jean-Marie
>
> Le 04/09/2020 à 18:38, Tristan von Neumann a écrit :
>> It's playable with a 7c lute comfortably, and the difficulty is
moderate
>> if you consider the great effect, so don't be afraid.
>
>
>
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