Adding new class into LyX
Hi I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's associated files can be found at http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this, but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work. Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding this type of document. I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit. Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template provided? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Kind Regards Steven Fredman
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 10:25 GMT+01:00 Steven Fredman: Hi I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's associated files can be found at http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this, but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work. Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding this type of document. I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit. Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template provided? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. This looks like an article class, so the first step to get it up and running would be a simple wrapper layout to the standard article class, as attached. Put this in your Personal LyX directory (as displayed in Help About LyX) in a folder called layouts. Then issue Edit Reconfigure. This will give you basic support. If you need any further layouts and features that are not included in the article layout, add it to this layout file. Look in other article/paper layout files for models or ask here. HTH Jürgen Thanks Kind Regards Steven Fredman whitseiepaper.layout Description: Binary data
Re: Adding new class into LyX
I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX¹s lack of support for Mac- LyX is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn¹t it is a total waste of time and time is something we just don¹t have. The documentation just isn¹t clear and Mac support is terrible. From: Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 09:25 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Adding new class into LyX Hi I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's associated files can be found at http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this, but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work. Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding this type of document. I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit. Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template provided? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Kind Regards Steven Fredman
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Am 28.03.2014 um 10:46 schrieb Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX’s lack of support for Mac- LyX is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn’t it is a total waste of time and time is something we just don’t have. The documentation just isn’t clear and Mac support is terrible. Would you mind to be more specific? What is terrible? Stephan From: Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 09:25 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Adding new class into LyX Hi I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's associated files can be found at http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this, but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work. Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding this type of document. I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit. Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template provided? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Kind Regards Steven Fredman
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 10:46 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon: I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX's lack of support for Mac- LyX is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn't it is a total waste of time and time is something we just don't have. Aha. And you think the LyX developers, a small group of volunteers, are blessed with an infinite treasure of free time? Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Of course, I find quite excessive to speak of LyX's lack of support for Mac or total waste of time. I use LyX under OSX with a lot of pleasure and the fact that you spend time to make this possible is a bounty for us. Moreover, this specific problem has no special root in the OSX version, I think, since the latex classes and the LyX modules are compatible between all versions. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have switched to Lyx). The only point that has maybe been somewhat deficient in the OSX support is the lack of support of Retina screens (so I am sticking to MacBooks with 1400x900 screens :-) ), but this is a limitation due to QT if I have understood well the problem. Given Nokia's problems, I do not know if the future of QT is very bright any way... Moreover, there were rumors on the mailing list indicating that the next version of QT would be Retina-compatible, but I have not followed this issue further. 2014-03-28 11:09 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org: 2014-03-28 10:46 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon: I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX's lack of support for Mac- LyX is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn't it is a total waste of time and time is something we just don't have. Aha. And you think the LyX developers, a small group of volunteers, are blessed with an infinite treasure of free time? Jürgen -- *Prof. Murat Yildizoglu* Note: Please use the following address as such UNIVERSITE DE BORDEAUX GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113) MURAT YILDIZOGLU 16 AVENUE LEON DUGUIT CS 50057 33608 PESSAC CEDEX FRANCE Bureau : E-331 mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr web: yildizoglu.info
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and terrible support. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have switched to Lyx). Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were attempts to do so. But then, we are about 7 persons in the core team, all of has have a job and a career, so it is a it is in OSS: Things get implemented if someone finds the time and interest. OTOH, I think LyX has a great community. Usually, if someone requests for help with setting up a layout, he gets help within the same day. I have responded the OP within minutes, even though I actually have a paper to write myself at this very moment (where the deadline has passed already). So with all respect to wishes and dreams, my understanding for such unconstructive rants is rather limited. Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates etc. in the right places where the system can find them - so when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how frustrating this is when you are under pressure??? I am not a TeX speaker but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that you have helped to create in a professional context. However. It is just a real pain that it does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx in the form it is today thank you- but that is not the point nobody should put any software out to the public which does not work as it should my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional. Mark From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44 To: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Cc: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and terrible support. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have switched to Lyx). Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were attempts to do so. But then, we are about 7 persons in the core team, all of has have a job and a career, so it is a it is in OSS: Things get implemented if someone finds the time and interest. OTOH, I think LyX has a great community. Usually, if someone requests for help with setting up a layout, he gets help within the same day. I have responded the OP within minutes, even though I actually have a paper to write myself at this very moment (where the deadline has passed already). So with all respect to wishes and dreams, my understanding for such unconstructive rants is rather limited. Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don't know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates etc. in the right places where the system can find them --- so when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how frustrating this is when you are under pressure??? I am not a TeX speaker but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that you have helped to create in a professional context. However It is just a real pain that it does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx in the form it is today - thank you- but that is not the point - nobody should put any software out to the public which does not work as it should- my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional. 1. If you install beta software, be aware that it is beta software. The announcement of LyX 2.1beta and LyX 2.1rc clearly state that this release is for testing purposes only, users are encouraged to use current 2.0 stable release for any serious work. 2. LyX is a community project, not a commercial product. The developers are all volunteers and have jobs (I am, as you, a researcher and teacher at the university). So if you do not have time to give at least constructive feedback (one way of participating), then use commercial software and pay for the support. Regards Jürgen Mark From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44 To: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Cc: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and terrible support. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have switched to Lyx). Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were attempts to do so. But then, we are about 7 persons in the core team, all of has have a job and a career, so it is a it is in OSS: Things get implemented if someone finds the time and interest. OTOH, I think LyX has a great community. Usually, if someone requests for help with setting up a layout, he gets help within the same day. I have responded the OP within minutes, even though I actually have a paper to write myself at this very moment (where the deadline has passed already). So with all respect to wishes and dreams, my understanding for such unconstructive rants is rather limited. Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Mark, I understand your frustrations, but these installation discrepancies are small problems, and they are perfectly known normally by the users (you can search the mail list, and you will find these problems there and solutions to them). So you have not been cheated by a commercial vendor hiding from you the deficiencies of the product he sells (see below on your responsibilities as a user, from my point of view as a user)... There was also a lot of discussion about the big rewriting of the BEAMER module in the previous beta version. This is a big change, but it goes in the correct direction, even if each of us had to take sometime to get used to the new standard. You should read the documentation on the new beamer module. My beamer slides from much older versions of LyX have nearly all been imported without any big problems (including elements in the preamble, but see the end of this paragraph). You sometime need to add a separation at the end of a slide, and eliminate instructions - old tricks - that are not necessary in the newer versions of beamer. In any case, this is a software developed by a community of dedicated developers with limited resources, as J ürgen reminds it in his message. And I am grateful to them that they indeed put this software out to the public, to which I belong (I am mainly a user). Communities developing open source softs cannot just reply take it or leave it to users who formulate criticisms, but these users have also the responsibility of taking time to collect some information about the soft before adopting it (because adopting a new software is a time consuming process, whatever is the software - commercial like SWP or not), and of making suggestions of amelioration for the soft, when they have new needs, instead of flaming the community with their definitive improductive judgements. I hope that you will quickly solve your problems. Murat 2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don't know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates etc. in the right places where the system can find them --- so when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how frustrating this is when you are under pressure??? I am not a TeX speaker but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that you have helped to create in a professional context. However It is just a real pain that it does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx in the form it is today - thank you- but that is not the point - nobody should put any software out to the public which does not work as it should- my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional. Mark From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44 To: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Cc: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and terrible support. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have switched to Lyx). Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were attempts to do so. But then, we are about 7 persons in the core team, all of has have a job and a career, so it is a it is in OSS: Things get implemented if someone finds the time and interest. OTOH, I think LyX has a great community. Usually, if someone requests for help with setting up a layout, he gets help within the same day. I have responded the OP within minutes, even though I actually
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 14:42 GMT+01:00 Anders Ekberg a...@mac.com: Anyway, if I try to reproduce on a freshly installed 2.1rc1 on a Mac by taking the elsarticle template, i get an error that ../examples/biblioExample.bib is not found. (I assume the reason is that the template resides in ~/Library/Application Support/Lyx-2.1/templates/ but gets moved to ~/Documents/ when you create a new file. Thanks for the report. This looks like another instance of http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8643 I've added a note to that ticket. Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Mark, J urgen has already replied your question: the community of developers and their resources are limited, and they do what they can to provide us with the best LyX they can. It is really not a big problem for a user (that is, to someone possessing all necessary user rights on his/her Mac's OSX) to go inside the LyX bundle and copy the templates folder to some other folder and give it to LyX as a parameter in the preferences. If the installation process does not do this, I conclude that this is not easy for the developers and that there are other priorities for the usability of the software. The user can search the answers by the community to get this simple solution and implement it. If community managed software with its specific constraints (which does not exclude the possibility of suggesting developments, supporting them sometime, and contributing yourself if you can) is not convenient for you, you should use other types of software (but be prepared to be disappointed because commercial software companies are not reputed to react more quickly then LyX developers to my experience (including Microsoft and MacKichan - even the community is very nice in this last case, but again with the constraints of a community ;-) ). I will stop here, because I have shared everything I can share with you on this point. Best regards, Murat 2014-03-28 14:53 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Murat Thank you for your reply. If these problems which have frustrated me and wasted my time-- are well known by other users and there are solutions to them as you say --- then WHY have the solutions not been embedded in the latest beta? I understand software development issues and the need to update as changes are made but my comment above remains- as a simple user I need to be able to use the software- if there are well know problems in the software on particular platforms then surely the developers have a responsibility to remove them when the software is upgraded? This applies equally to open source community based as to commercial software. Mark From: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 13:39 To: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com Cc: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org, Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX Mark, I understand your frustrations, but these installation discrepancies are small problems, and they are perfectly known normally by the users (you can search the mail list, and you will find these problems there and solutions to them). So you have not been cheated by a commercial vendor hiding from you the deficiencies of the product he sells (see below on your responsibilities as a user, from my point of view as a user)... There was also a lot of discussion about the big rewriting of the BEAMER module in the previous beta version. This is a big change, but it goes in the correct direction, even if each of us had to take sometime to get used to the new standard. You should read the documentation on the new beamer module. My beamer slides from much older versions of LyX have nearly all been imported without any big problems (including elements in the preamble, but see the end of this paragraph). You sometime need to add a separation at the end of a slide, and eliminate instructions - old tricks - that are not necessary in the newer versions of beamer. In any case, this is a software developed by a community of dedicated developers with limited resources, as J ürgen reminds it in his message. And I am grateful to them that they indeed put this software out to the public, to which I belong (I am mainly a user). Communities developing open source softs cannot just reply take it or leave it to users who formulate criticisms, but these users have also the responsibility of taking time to collect some information about the soft before adopting it (because adopting a new software is a time consuming process, whatever is the software - commercial like SWP or not), and of making suggestions of amelioration for the soft, when they have new needs, instead of flaming the community with their definitive improductive judgements. I hope that you will quickly solve your problems. Murat 2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don't know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 14:58 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller: Thanks for the report. This looks like another instance of http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8643 I've added a note to that ticket. And fixed the problem for the next release. Jürgen Jürgen
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes:
2014-03-28 15:59 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de:
Yes - that's what I meant - I roght-clicked on the BibTeX insets -
Settings - Style and changed both to elsarticle-harv.
Am I missing something?
Remove the style completely in the second instance, i.e. the Style field
should be empty.
You might to close an reopen the document afterwards.
I did - and I still get an error:
,
| This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2013)
| Capacity: max_strings=35307, hash_size=35307, hash_prime=30011
| The top-level auxiliary file: Untitled.aux
| The style file: elsarticle-harv.bst
| Multiple inclusions of entire database
| ---line 22 of file Untitled.aux
| : \citation{*
| :}
| I'm skipping whatever remains of this command
| Illegal, another \bibdata command---line 23 of file Untitled.aux
| : \bibdata
| : {1_Users_rainerkrug_tmp_Proceedings}
| I'm skipping whatever remains of this command
`
Any suggestions now? It seems that it has to do with the multiple
complete databases I want to include.
Rainer
Jürgen
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Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote: 2014-03-28 15:19 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: Hi I am having a document (attached) which does not compile in the new LyX rc but on 2.0.7.1 It has something to do with multiple bibliographies - if I delete one, it is working. You get a bibtex error in both cases (look at Tools LaTeX log in LyX 2.0.7). However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. In general, the problem is that you cannot use two different bib styles in one document. We could pop up a message box telling the user. Hey,we found a bibtex problem. We're sorry that we didn't complain about it in previous version, but you should fix it like this. \n\n (Don't show me again [checkbox]) Vincent
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes: 2014-03-28 15:42 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr : However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. Concerning this point, could we have a preference somewhere for ignoring them? I remarked in the previous beta (having tested yet the RC1) that even if the PDF does compiles with these errors, Lyx does not show it. It would be nice to preview the PDF nevertheless. I am reluctant to do this. If bibtex reports an error, you should fix it. I agree here - although I have bitten by this... You could make the same argument wrt LaTeX error. In many cases, a PDF would be produced nonetheless, but a wrong one (the same applies to bibtex errors). Jürgen -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 pgpxKNOoMYXnj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 16:03 GMT+01:00 Philipp Gröne philipp.gro...@googlemail.com: Yes, sometimes the PDF would be the wrong one. But imagine this case: My thesis had 4 chapters, and was made up from 6 documents (Master document+Appendix where 5. and 6.). Out of some reasons, the 4th chapter wouldn't compile alone, but ended with some or the other error message. If I tried to compile the master document, everything looked fine. Probably, with some work, I would've been able to repair the 4th chapter, so it would've compile alone. But your point is that you want to skip all sorts of errors, right, not only bibtex errors? Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 16:11 GMT+01:00 Anders Ekberg: Quoting myself ... I suspect it could be a bit difficult to solve shows either my complete ignorance of programming (which I hope is not correct) or your high abilities (which I hope is correct). I am impressed! I wish you were right with your second statement, but this was really trivial (and not even a programming task). Jürgen All the best! Anders
Re: Adding new class into LyX
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:06:11 +0100 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote: Hi Mark This is getting ridiculous. As far as I know, everybody can choose their software. If you are not happy with LyX / beamer, use Powerpoint. Exactly. I've never been happy with LyX/beamer, so I either make my presentations in LibreOffice, or in Beamer using Vim. Everyone uses LyX for circumstances where they find it the best tool, and use other software for other purposes. And I want to thank the developers for the software with which I put out about 8 books over 13 years. The LyX developers materially improved my business. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote: 2014-03-28 16:10 GMT+01:00 Philipp Gröne: Yes. In fact, I want to be able to choose which errors are skipped. Or, even better, I want a comprehensive list of errors and a pdf-file. http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8739 Jürgen I agree with Jürgen. I personally don't think there should even be an option available. The only thing that makes me hesitant is Julien's example that there is a bug in some software. What do other software do? gcc/clang do not still produce binaries. knitr I think by default does not stop on errors (although this might have changed). LaTeX I guess does still produce a pdf if you keep returning through the errors (or you put \nonstopmode). As far as a comprehensive list of errors, I agree that this would in theory be nice, but I believe that only the first error is accurate. Best, Scott
Re: Adding new class into LyX
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:33:57 +0100 Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr wrote: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Of course, I find quite excessive to speak of LyX's lack of support for Mac or total waste of time. You think? :-) Funny, I didn't see an offer from Mark to help make LyX more Mac friendly, whatever that might mean. I mean, probably most of us don't even have Macs to test LyX on. I know I don't. I didn't see Mark fork the project or make an alternative. He can't help us, he can't forge a new path, so he impotently rants. I think the LyX project ought to have a page for Apple users explaining what free software is and isn't, who creates it and why they create it, and a brief explanation of the fact that Mac users can always buy their solutions if free software doesn't float their boat. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
Fwd: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Maybe I am missing something here, but I am against softwares that decide in place of the users. This is one of the reasons why I have never adopted MS programs. If latex accepts to build the file, lyx should accept to show the file built by latex. It is not its job to get on the way of the user. It is the user's job to decide which errors and warnings must be taken care of, not Lyx's one, in my opinion. Best regards, Murat Le vendredi 28 mars 2014, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.orgjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skost...@lyx.org'); a écrit : On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote: 2014-03-28 16:10 GMT+01:00 Philipp Gröne: Yes. In fact, I want to be able to choose which errors are skipped. Or, even better, I want a comprehensive list of errors and a pdf-file. http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8739 Jürgen I agree with Jürgen. I personally don't think there should even be an option available. The only thing that makes me hesitant is Julien's example that there is a bug in some software. What do other software do? gcc/clang do not still produce binaries. knitr I think by default does not stop on errors (although this might have changed). LaTeX I guess does still produce a pdf if you keep returning through the errors (or you put \nonstopmode). As far as a comprehensive list of errors, I agree that this would in theory be nice, but I believe that only the first error is accurate. Best, Scott -- *Prof. Murat Yildizoglu* Note: Please use the following address as such UNIVERSITE DE BORDEAUX GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113) MURAT YILDIZOGLU 16 AVENUE LEON DUGUIT CS 50057 33608 PESSAC CEDEX FRANCE Bureau : E-331 mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr web: yildizoglu.info -- *Prof. Murat Yildizoglu* Note: Please use the following address as such UNIVERSITE DE BORDEAUX GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113) MURAT YILDIZOGLU 16 AVENUE LEON DUGUIT CS 50057 33608 PESSAC CEDEX FRANCE Bureau : E-331 mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr web: yildizoglu.info
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr wrote: Maybe I am missing something here, but I am against softwares that decide in place of the users. This is one of the reasons why I have never adopted MS programs. If latex accepts to build the file, lyx should accept to show the file built by latex. It is not its job to get on the way of the user. It is the user's job to decide which errors and warnings must be taken care of, not Lyx's one, in my opinion. Hi Murat, Warnings, yes. As for errors, I think things are a little more complicated than latex accepts to build the file. First, LaTeX makes you press return many many times. It makes no attempts to make compiling a pleasant experience if your LaTeX file contains an error. Second, often there is a chain of commands that need to be run. e.g. 1. latex, 2. bibtex 3. latex. If there is an error at 2, yes there is a pdf file still available, but this only happens because 1 produced the pdf file without errors. If you run 3 then maybe it updates the pdf file as it can because I don't think it is expecting that you would dare to continue to 3 if 2 had errors. I don't think it's the job of latex to check for bibtex errors. I'm still open to other opinions on this, but not convinced yet. Best, Scott
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes:
2014-03-28 16:11 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug:
I did - and I still get an error:
,
| This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2013)
| Capacity: max_strings=35307, hash_size=35307, hash_prime=30011
| The top-level auxiliary file: Untitled.aux
| The style file: elsarticle-harv.bst
| Multiple inclusions of entire database
| ---line 22 of file Untitled.aux
| : \citation{*
| :}
| I'm skipping whatever remains of this command
| Illegal, another \bibdata command---line 23 of file Untitled.aux
| : \bibdata
| : {1_Users_rainerkrug_tmp_Proceedings}
| I'm skipping whatever remains of this command
`
Any suggestions now? It seems that it has to do with the multiple
complete databases I want to include.
Try Sectioned bibliographies in Document Settings Bibliography
That worked - after closing and re-opening the document.
After which changes do I actual have to close and re-open the document?
A complete re-compile option which deletes all temporary files would
be quite useful.
Thanks,
Rainer
Jürgen
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Re: Adding new class into LyX
Hey Mark, And you're still on this list why? Don't let the door hit you in the rear end on your way out. SteveT On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:46:03 + Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX¹s lack of support for Mac- LyX is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn¹t it is a total waste of time and time is something we just don¹t have. The documentation just isn¹t clear and Mac support is terrible. From: Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 09:25 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Adding new class into LyX Hi I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's associated files can be found at http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this, but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work. Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding this type of document. I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit. Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template provided? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Kind Regards Steven Fredman
Some French help files want German language
Dear list members, I was trying to learn LyX better, and I noticed an unexpected error message when compiling the Math guide. It's a Babel error message complaining that the ngerman option was not defined. This also happened with the User Guide, while other docs compiled fine (Introduction, Learning Guide, Embedded objects...) With texlive-lang-german installed, everything works! Now, German is a beautiful language, but isn't that weird? Best regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 18:06 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: That worked - after closing and re-opening the document. After which changes do I actual have to close and re-open the document? I am not sure. In any case, the problem are the aux and bbl files that need to be deleted. A complete re-compile option which deletes all temporary files would be quite useful. Agreed. Or let LyX detect these cases and try to rebuild from scratch. Jürgen
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 16:11 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug:
I did - and I still get an error:
,
| This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2013)
| Capacity: max_strings=35307, hash_size=35307, hash_prime=30011
| The top-level auxiliary file: Untitled.aux
| The style file: elsarticle-harv.bst
| Multiple inclusions of entire database
| ---line 22 of file Untitled.aux
| : \citation{*
| :}
| I'm skipping whatever remains of this command
| Illegal, another \bibdata command---line 23 of file Untitled.aux
| : \bibdata
| : {1_Users_rainerkrug_tmp_Proceedings}
| I'm skipping whatever remains of this command
`
Any suggestions now? It seems that it has to do with the multiple
complete databases I want to include.
Try Sectioned bibliographies in Document Settings Bibliography
Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
On 03/28/2014 06:44 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and terrible support. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have switched to Lyx). Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were attempts to do so. Even that does not help that much. You would still have to go through the class file, or an example, or whatever, and create the layout. That's where the real work is, IMHO, and there is no way around it. No one is going to write some program to parse cls files and create layout files from them. I'm not ever sure it's possible, in any realistic sense. People who want LyX to support new class files have to be willing to do the work. That's not to say the original poster isn't. But it's silly for anyone to expect *us* to do it. Richard
Re: Adding new class into LyX
From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org2014-03-28 14:58 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller: Thanks for the report. This looks like another instance of http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8643 I've added a note to that ticket. And fixed the problem for the next release. Jürgen Quoting myself ² I suspect it could be a bit difficult to solve² shows either my complete ignorance of programming (which I hope is not correct) or your high abilities (which I hope is correct). I am impressed! All the best! Anders
Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience
2014-03-28 18:02 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela bcsikos...@freemail.hu: I will test/practice new beamer layout. I don't mind if I have to manually indent stuff. The only thing I am afraid of is that if I insert something afterwards, everything is messed up below the newn insert and I have to start over indenting/structuring. Do not hesitate to report back. There are minor issues regarding the look of the new layout. I preferred the longer horizontal lines between frames. And I would like the frame titles to be centered. Is it possible to adjust my layout file accordingly? What should I change? As for the longer line, change the LabelString of the Separator style in the beamer class. Instead of copying and modifying the file itself (which cuts you from further updates and fixes in that layout class), you can also add this to Document Settings Local Layout: Style Separator LabelString End Centering the frame title is more difficult. You cannot do this currently without also centering the whole frame content. Jürgen Thanks you once more, bcsikos
Re: Some French help files want German language
2014-03-28 18:01 GMT+01:00 Daniel CLEMENT: Dear list members, I was trying to learn LyX better, and I noticed an unexpected error message when compiling the Math guide. It's a Babel error message complaining that the ngerman option was not defined. This also happened with the User Guide, while other docs compiled fine (Introduction, Learning Guide, Embedded objects...) With texlive-lang-german installed, everything works! Now, German is a beautiful language, but isn't that weird? The French math manual (at least the 2.1 version) includes German text (search for Das Spektrum wird fouriertransformiert.). I did not check the User Guide, but it is probably the same cause. Don't ask me why this is. Jürgen
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes: 2014-03-28 15:19 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: Hi I am having a document (attached) which does not compile in the new LyX rc but on 2.0.7.1 It has something to do with multiple bibliographies - if I delete one, it is working. You get a bibtex error in both cases (look at Tools LaTeX log in LyX 2.0.7). However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. That is actually nice. In general, the problem is that you cannot use two different bib styles in one document. I changed the bib style to the same, and still get the error (new lyx file attached). So where do I have to change them? Thanks, Untitled.lyx Description: LyX file Rainer Jürgen Suggestions -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 pgppWiLC5sFMp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com writes: Murat Thank you for your reply. If these problems which have frustrated me and wasted my time‹ are well known by other users and there are solutions to them as you say ‹- then WHY have the solutions not been embedded in the latest beta? I understand software development issues and the need to update as changes are made but my comment above remains- as a simple user I need to be able to use the software- if there are well know problems in the software on particular platforms then surely the developers have a responsibility to remove them when the software is upgraded? Hi Mark This is getting ridiculous. As far as I know, everybody can choose their software. If you are not happy with LyX / beamer, use Powerpoint. The developers of LyX are doing an AWESOME job - and if you think not, then do it yourself or use another softeware. Cheers, Rainer This applies equally to open source community based as to commercial software. Mark From: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 13:39 To: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com Cc: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org, Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX Mark, I understand your frustrations, but these installation discrepancies are small problems, and they are perfectly known normally by the users (you can search the mail list, and you will find these problems there and solutions to them). So you have not been cheated by a commercial vendor hiding from you the deficiencies of the product he sells (see below on your responsibilities as a user, from my point of view as a user)... There was also a lot of discussion about the big rewriting of the BEAMER module in the previous beta version. This is a big change, but it goes in the correct direction, even if each of us had to take sometime to get used to the new standard. You should read the documentation on the new beamer module. My beamer slides from much older versions of LyX have nearly all been imported without any big problems (including elements in the preamble, but see the end of this paragraph). You sometime need to add a separation at the end of a slide, and eliminate instructions - old tricks - that are not necessary in the newer versions of beamer. In any case, this is a software developed by a community of dedicated developers with limited resources, as J ürgen reminds it in his message. And I am grateful to them that they indeed put this software out to the public, to which I belong (I am mainly a user). Communities developing open source softs cannot just reply take it or leave it to users who formulate criticisms, but these users have also the responsibility of taking time to collect some information about the soft before adopting it (because adopting a new software is a time consuming process, whatever is the software - commercial like SWP or not), and of making suggestions of amelioration for the soft, when they have new needs, instead of flaming the community with their definitive improductive judgements. I hope that you will quickly solve your problems. Murat 2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates etc. in the right places where the system can find them ‹- so when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how frustrating this is when you are under pressure??? I am not a TeX speaker but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that you have helped to create in a professional context. HoweverŠ. It is just a real pain that it does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx in the form it is today thank you- but that is not the point nobody should put any software out to the public which does not work as it should my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional. Mark From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44 To: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Cc: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Murat Thank you for your reply. If these problems which have frustrated me and wasted my time are well known by other users and there are solutions to them as you say - then WHY have the solutions not been embedded in the latest beta? I understand software development issues and the need to update as changes are made but my comment above remains- as a simple user I need to be able to use the software- if there are well know problems in the software on particular platforms then surely the developers have a responsibility to remove them when the software is upgraded? This applies equally to open source community based as to commercial software. Mark From: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 13:39 To: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com Cc: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org, Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX Mark, I understand your frustrations, but these installation discrepancies are small problems, and they are perfectly known normally by the users (you can search the mail list, and you will find these problems there and solutions to them). So you have not been cheated by a commercial vendor hiding from you the deficiencies of the product he sells (see below on your responsibilities as a user, from my point of view as a user)... There was also a lot of discussion about the big rewriting of the BEAMER module in the previous beta version. This is a big change, but it goes in the correct direction, even if each of us had to take sometime to get used to the new standard. You should read the documentation on the new beamer module. My beamer slides from much older versions of LyX have nearly all been imported without any big problems (including elements in the preamble, but see the end of this paragraph). You sometime need to add a separation at the end of a slide, and eliminate instructions - old tricks - that are not necessary in the newer versions of beamer. In any case, this is a software developed by a community of dedicated developers with limited resources, as J ürgen reminds it in his message. And I am grateful to them that they indeed put this software out to the public, to which I belong (I am mainly a user). Communities developing open source softs cannot just reply take it or leave it to users who formulate criticisms, but these users have also the responsibility of taking time to collect some information about the soft before adopting it (because adopting a new software is a time consuming process, whatever is the software - commercial like SWP or not), and of making suggestions of amelioration for the soft, when they have new needs, instead of flaming the community with their definitive improductive judgements. I hope that you will quickly solve your problems. Murat 2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates etc. in the right places where the system can find them - so when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how frustrating this is when you are under pressure??? I am not a TeX speaker but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that you have helped to create in a professional context. However. It is just a real pain that it does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx in the form it is today thank you- but that is not the point nobody should put any software out to the public which does not work as it should my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional. Mark From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44 To: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Cc: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and terrible support. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. Concerning this point, could we have a preference somewhere for ignoring them? I remarked in the previous beta (having tested yet the RC1) that even if the PDF does compiles with these errors, Lyx does not show it. It would be nice to preview the PDF nevertheless. 2014-03-28 15:37 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org: 2014-03-28 15:19 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: Hi I am having a document (attached) which does not compile in the new LyX rc but on 2.0.7.1 It has something to do with multiple bibliographies - if I delete one, it is working. You get a bibtex error in both cases (look at Tools LaTeX log in LyX 2.0.7). However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. In general, the problem is that you cannot use two different bib styles in one document. Jürgen Suggestions -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 -- *Prof. Murat Yildizoglu* Note: Please use the following address as such UNIVERSITE DE BORDEAUX GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113) MURAT YILDIZOGLU 16 AVENUE LEON DUGUIT CS 50057 33608 PESSAC CEDEX FRANCE Bureau : E-331 mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr web: yildizoglu.info
Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:
2014-03-27 21:37 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:
That is, the frame environment is a standard environment placed in a frame,
but keeps
its nested status. Therefore I don#39;t have to change it to
#39;standard#39;
environment and nest it manually. Is this correct?
Not quite. The frame environment is a frame environment. It can consists of
several
paragraphs, but only one frame title, which is normally given in the first
line.
Thanks. I guess I meant the same, ie I don't have to change Frame environment
to any other and I don't have to nest it either.
It behaves
?exatly as any other environment now. If you use, to stick with the beamer
class, an
example or block environment, it is conceptually the same than the frame
environment.
You do not change the paragraph style of a block environment to Standard and
nest it,
do you? Neither don#39;t you change the content of a quote environment to
Standard
and nest it. So why would you want to do it with the frame environment?
Based on your suggestions I created a frame with title and content with
keeping
#39;frame#39; environment for the content. Then I inserted a subtitle below
the
title (moving cursor after title, pressing enter and applying
#39;subtitle#39;
environment). This resulted in a non-indented subtitle and messed up the
frame. I had
to manually increase depth for the subtitle.
I find it messy that I have to manually nest subtitle but I don#39;t have to
nest
standard frame content.
Look, the subtitle is a command, while the frame is an environment. In LaTeX,
it looks like this
\begin{frame}{title} \subtitle{Subtitle}frame textframe text\end{frame}
This is conceptually the same as if you would nest a chapter within a quote
environment.
You would also need to nest it.
Why is this so? Because the beamer author decided to implement it that way (he
could
also have implemented it via a further optional argument, but he didn#39;t).
Furthermore if I add list environment to the frame content it is not nested
either, have
to be indented manually.
This is the normal way LyX treats _any_ environment. Content inside
environments must
be nested. Frame was the only exception.
The previous method (in lyx 2.0, 1.6) was much more straightforward and more
usable.
In that version the nesting problem appeared only when I used the columns
environment (and usually it drove me nuts). Now, as I see this complication
have been
extended to the whole frame composition. There must be some big advantage of
this
approach, what is it?
Let me put it the reverse way: What was the bid disadvantage of the old
approach? Itwas based on a huge, ugly, completely opaque hack. The old frame
layout in fact did
not use a real beamer frame, but this hack (take out your brown paper bag):
\long\def\lyxframe#1{\@lyxframe#1\@lyxframestop}% \def\@lyxframe
{\@ifnextchar}}%
\def\@@lyxframe{\@ifnextchar[{\@@@lyxframe}{\@@@lyxframe[]}}
\def\@@@lyxframe[{\@ifnextchar[}{\lyxframe[][}} \def\@lyxframe
[#2]{\@ifnextchar[{\lyxframe[#2]}{\lyxframe[#2][]}}
\long\def\lyxframe[#2][#3]#4\@lyxframestop#5\lyxframeend{%
\frame[#2]
[#3]{\frametitle{#4}#5}}And plainframe: \long\def
\lyxplainframe#1{\@lyxplainframe#1\@lyxframestop}%
\def\@lyxplainframe{\@ifnextchar}}% \long\def
\@@lyxplainframe#2\@lyxframestop#3\lyxframeend{%
\frame[plain]{\frametitle{#2}
#3}}
And againframe: \long\def\lyxagainframe#1{\@lyxagainframe#1\@lyxframestop}%
\def\@lyxagainframe{\@ifnextchar}}% \def\@@lyxagainframe{\@ifnextchar
[{\@@@lyxagainframe}{\@@@lyxagainframe[]}}
\long\def\@@@lyxagainframe[#2]#3\@lyxframestop{%
\againframe[#2]{#3}}Do
you understand these definitions? No? Good: Me neither. No LyX developer does.
Not
even the current beamer developers do. It was written many years ago by the
original
beamer developer (who is not active anymore) just for the sake of the LyX user
interface.
The problem with this definition, apart from its opaqueness, is that it is a
dead end
street. Nobody knows how long it will continue to work as beamer is developed
further.
It was the reason that LyX could not support many beamer features (fragile
frame was
not supported at all, beamer handout could only be supported in a very limited
way, only
a subset of frame options could be supported, optional arguments did not work,
and so
on and so forth). All these problems were unfixable on the basis of the old
approach.
And finally, LyX exported nonstandard LaTeX output. With the old layout, you
got this LyXism in the LaTeX export:
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
\lyxframeend{}\lyxframe{Frame title}
Frame content
\lyxframeend{}With LyX 2.1, you get _proper_ LaTeX output:
\begin{frame}{Frame title}Frame content
\end{frame}I completely understand that it is demanding to get used to a new
UI when
you were used to the old one. I felt the same. But I can assure you, that you
can get
used to it. And
Re: Adding new class into LyX
From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org Date: fredag 28 mars 2014 16:16 To: Anders Ekberg a...@mac.com Cc: LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX 2014-03-28 16:11 GMT+01:00 Anders Ekberg: Quoting myself ² I suspect it could be a bit difficult to solve² shows either my complete ignorance of programming (which I hope is not correct) or your high abilities (which I hope is correct). I am impressed! I wish you were right with your second statement, but this was really trivial (and not even a programming task). Jürgen Ouch, that means I have to shape up significantly on my programming knowledge ;-) Have a nice weekend! /Anders
Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Hi I am having a document (attached) which does not compile in the new LyX rc but on 2.0.7.1 Untitled.lyx Description: Lyx rc1 2.1 Proceedings.bib Description: bibtex 1 InBook.bib Description: bibtex 2 Untitled.20.lyx Description: Lyx 2.0.x file of the document It has something to do with multiple bibliographies - if I delete one, it is working. Suggestions -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 pgpk2Xv0fH0Kw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 15:42 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr : However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. Concerning this point, could we have a preference somewhere for ignoring them? I remarked in the previous beta (having tested yet the RC1) that even if the PDF does compiles with these errors, Lyx does not show it. It would be nice to preview the PDF nevertheless. I am reluctant to do this. If bibtex reports an error, you should fix it. You could make the same argument wrt LaTeX error. In many cases, a PDF would be produced nonetheless, but a wrong one (the same applies to bibtex errors). Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates etc. in the right places where the system can find them - so when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how frustrating this is when you are under pressure??? I am not a TeX speaker but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that you have helped to create in a professional context. However. It is just a real pain that it does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx in the form it is today thank you- but that is not the point nobody should put any software out to the public which does not work as it should my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional. 1. If you install beta software, be aware that it is beta software. The announcement of LyX 2.1beta and LyX 2.1rc clearly state that this release is for testing purposes only, users are encouraged to use current 2.0 stable release for any serious work. 2. LyX is a community project, not a commercial product. The developers are all volunteers and have jobs (I am, as you, a researcher and teacher at the university). So if you do not have time to give at least constructive feedback (one way of participating), then use commercial software and pay for the support. Regards Jürgen I completely agree with Jurgen when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc² is not really helpful for solving your problem. (A good idea if you want someone to really help you is to make it as easy as possible for them if you just want to complain that is another thing ;-) Anyway, if I try to reproduce on a freshly installed 2.1rc1 on a Mac by taking the elsarticle template, i get an error that ../examples/biblioExample.bib is not found. (I assume the reason is that the template resides in ~/Library/Application Support/Lyx-2.1/templates/ but gets moved to ~/Documents/ when you create a new file. If your problem is something like that (which, as said, I don¹t know) then click on the gray box with BibTeX-generated bibliography, remove the current database and add the biblioExample by browsing and selecting ~/Library/Application Support/Lyx-2.1/examples/biblioExample.bib And now it works. I agree that this is not really good, but I suspect it could be a bit difficult to solve. Also you usually provide your own bibliography when using the template. As I said, I have no idea if your problem is similar (judging from the first comment, I would suspect that you would also require a Reconfigure of LyX and possible to do a sudo texhash from the Terminal to get things to work). But as Jürgen pointed out: If you can¹t take time to explain what your problem is, then buy commercial program/support (especially if they get paid by the hour in supporting ;-) Have a nice weekend! Anders
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes: 2014-03-28 15:50 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: I changed the bib style to the same, and still get the error (new lyx file attached). So where do I have to change them? The problem is not the bib file (you can of course have multiple of these), but the bst files (styles). Yes - that's what I meant - I roght-clicked on the BibTeX insets - Settings - Style and changed both to elsarticle-harv. Am I missing something? Rainer Jürgen -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 pgpep_9KCFlC1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 15:19 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: Hi I am having a document (attached) which does not compile in the new LyX rc but on 2.0.7.1 It has something to do with multiple bibliographies - if I delete one, it is working. You get a bibtex error in both cases (look at Tools LaTeX log in LyX 2.0.7). However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. In general, the problem is that you cannot use two different bib styles in one document. Jürgen Suggestions -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes: 2014-03-28 18:06 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: That worked - after closing and re-opening the document. After which changes do I actual have to close and re-open the document? I am not sure. In any case, the problem are the aux and bbl files that need to be deleted. A complete re-compile option which deletes all temporary files would be quite useful. Agreed. Or let LyX detect these cases and try to rebuild from scratch. Filed a ticket: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/9061 Cheers, Rainer Jürgen -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 pgpjStS5vrnW3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 good experience
I have been using LyX 2.1 beta2 in production and have now switched to rc1. I have done a presentation with Beamer and knitR in beta without much problems. This reads and converts with rc1 as well. el
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes: On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:33:57 +0100 Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr wrote: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Of course, I find quite excessive to speak of LyX's lack of support for Mac or total waste of time. You think? :-) Funny, I didn't see an offer from Mark to help make LyX more Mac friendly, whatever that might mean. I mean, probably most of us don't even have Macs to test LyX on. I know I don't. I didn't see Mark fork the project or make an alternative. He can't help us, he can't forge a new path, so he impotently rants. I think the LyX project ought to have a page for Apple users explaining what free software is and isn't, who creates it and why they create it, and a brief explanation of the fact that Mac users can always buy their solutions if free software doesn't float their boat. I am a Mac user - I love LyX - I report bugs (and sometimes bug others on the list with questions) - so please don't say Apple users. I am sure there are even more windows users who have unrealistic expectations - and probably even some Linux users. So - yes - a page explaining the principle of free software, how it works, who works on it (a list of the core devs of Lyx would make clear how few there are...) and how all users can (and should) contribute would make a lot of sense. And not only for Apple users. Overall: good suggestion! SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 pgpMRAatAsWKh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 16:10 GMT+01:00 Philipp Gröne: Yes. In fact, I want to be able to choose which errors are skipped. Or, even better, I want a comprehensive list of errors and a pdf-file. http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8739 Jürgen
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Hi there! Murat Yildizoglu wrote: Concerning this point, could we have a preference somewhere for ignoring them? I remarked in the previous beta (having tested yet the RC1) that even if the PDF does compiles with these errors, Lyx does not show it. It would be nice to preview the PDF nevertheless. Concerning this point, could we have a preference somewhere for ignoring them? I just turned in my final thesis, completely written in LyX. I've got not much to complain - quite the opposite. LyX spared me a lot of hassle. More robustness against errors would nonetheless further enhance my enjoyment of LyX. I second the notion of a ignore errors and show pdf nonetheless. Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: I am reluctant to do this. If bibtex reports an error, you should fix it. You could make the same argument wrt LaTeX error. In many cases, a PDF would be produced nonetheless, but a wrong one (the same applies to bibtex errors). Yes, sometimes the PDF would be the wrong one. But imagine this case: My thesis had 4 chapters, and was made up from 6 documents (Master document+Appendix where 5. and 6.). Out of some reasons, the 4th chapter wouldn't compile alone, but ended with some or the other error message. If I tried to compile the master document, everything looked fine. Probably, with some work, I would've been able to repair the 4th chapter, so it would've compile alone. I didn't do that, because the time was pressing, but opened the master every time I worked at the 4th chapter and compiled that. It was a hassle. Yes, it is better to repair bugs instead of glossing them over, but I don't want to be forced to do that. Give the LyX-users the credit to know when they have to repair things, and when it's okay to gloss over them. (In my case, the error came from some wrongly put labels/cross references, I think. All I wanted to do was checking of my pictures looked right. For that, the wrong pdf would've been completely sufficient.) Greetings! Ph.
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 15:50 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: I changed the bib style to the same, and still get the error (new lyx file attached). So where do I have to change them? The problem is not the bib file (you can of course have multiple of these), but the bst files (styles). Jürgen
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 15:59 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: Yes - that's what I meant - I roght-clicked on the BibTeX insets - Settings - Style and changed both to elsarticle-harv. Am I missing something? Remove the style completely in the second instance, i.e. the Style field should be empty. You might to close an reopen the document afterwards. Jürgen Rainer Jürgen -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982
Creating a free software explanation: was Adding new class into LyX
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 18:13:43 +0100 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote: I am a Mac user - I love LyX - I report bugs (and sometimes bug others on the list with questions) - so please don't say Apple users. Sorry Ranier, I shouldn't assume all Apple users are the same. I am sure there are even more windows users who have unrealistic expectations - and probably even some Linux users. So - yes - a page explaining the principle of free software, how it works, who works on it (a list of the core devs of Lyx would make clear how few there are...) and how all users can (and should) contribute would make a lot of sense. And not only for Apple users. Overall: good suggestion! As a very rudimentary starting point, I've written some content about free software and its motivations: * http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200310/200310.htm , especially article http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200310/200310.htm#_lifeAfterWindows * http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200201/200201.htm#_linuxlog * http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200110/200110.htm#_linuxlog * And my Jon maddog Hall trilogy: http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200011/200011.htm#_jonmaddoghall http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200011/200011.htm#_furtherthoughts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200011/200011.htm#_google I had one more, that I can't find now, that was ontopic for the post that created this whole lively discussion, but I can't find it now. I'll let you know if I do. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. We hope you will enjoy the result! LyX is already installed. Please uninstall LyX first. WTF?! First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX installed. I use it in portable mode. Second, what's that bullshittish idea that I must not update an existing (working) installation? Sincerely, Wolfgang
Urdu font not rendering properly in the editor
Hi all, I am trying to write Urdu text with lyx. I have installed Jameel Noori Nastaleeq font on windows 7 machine. I am able to create a document with language set to arabic, Fonts set to non-Tex fonts(via XeTex). Preview via Xetex also displays nicely. However, now I am trying to set the screen/editor font to Jameel Noori Nastaleeq. The issues is that the font is not rendering properly. Only parts of fonts are being rendered. Font (13 MB) : https://www.dropbox.com/s/279jht5lvhdzx25/Jameel%20Noori%20Nastaleeq.ttf How Screen font looks with New Times Roman: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kb543gtihk0w52y/time-new-roman-fonts.png How Screen Font looks with Jameel Noori Nastaleeq: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9fend30t64tftqd/noori-fonts.png Note that final PDF is rendered as expected. Any help will be much appreciated. Regards
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 28.03.2014 20:40, schrieb Wolfgang Keller: LyX is already installed. Please uninstall LyX first. WTF?! First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX installed. I use it in portable mode. Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you using? From where did you get the portable LyX? This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. But a portable version does not write anything to the registry and LyX 2.1RC1 was never released before so that it can also not be already installed. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). Second, what's that bullshittish idea Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! regards Uwe
Re: Some French help files want German language
Am 28.03.2014 18:01, schrieb Daniel CLEMENT: I was trying to learn LyX better, and I noticed an unexpected error message when compiling the Math guide. It's a Babel error message complaining that the ngerman option was not defined. This also happened with the User Guide, while other docs compiled fine (Introduction, Learning Guide, Embedded objects...) With texlive-lang-german installed, everything works! I also have TeXLive (on Windows) and don't need to install an extra language pack for German. Do you use a special Linux distribution that has its own TeXLive-packages? Now, German is a beautiful language, but isn't that weird? In the documentation files we sometimes use another language to show e.g. the multi-language features. Sometimes we translators are simply to lazy to translate. For example for the explanation of multicolumns the text in the columns is English because it is just a dummy text to fill the columns. There are some similar cases. regards Uwe
Re: Urdu font not rendering properly in the editor
Am 28.03.2014 18:37, schrieb Jamil Haider: Hi all, I am trying to write Urdu text with lyx. Hello Jamil, the next major LyX version 2.1 will be released around April, 5. With this version we offer full support for Urdu (document language can directly be set to Urdu, Urdu word hyphenation, etc.): http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 Its release candidate was released 2 days ago so you might try it out: http://www.lyx.org/News#item1 ( ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.1/lyx-2.1.0rc1/LyX-210RC1-Installer-1.exe ) I have installed Jameel Noori Nastaleeq font on windows 7 machine. I am able to create a document with language set to arabic, Fonts set to non-Tex fonts(via XeTex). Preview via Xetex also displays nicely. However, now I am trying to set the screen/editor font to Jameel Noori Nastaleeq. The issues is that the font is not rendering properly. Only parts of fonts are being rendered. Do you have the same problem with LyX 2.1RC1? If yes, can you please report it to the LyX bug tracker: http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome so the developers can have a closer look? thanks and regards Uwe
Adding new class into LyX
Hi I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's associated files can be found at http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this, but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work. Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding this type of document. I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit. Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template provided? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Kind Regards Steven Fredman
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 10:25 GMT+01:00 Steven Fredman: Hi I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's associated files can be found at http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this, but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work. Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding this type of document. I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit. Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template provided? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. This looks like an article class, so the first step to get it up and running would be a simple wrapper layout to the standard article class, as attached. Put this in your Personal LyX directory (as displayed in Help About LyX) in a folder called layouts. Then issue Edit Reconfigure. This will give you basic support. If you need any further layouts and features that are not included in the article layout, add it to this layout file. Look in other article/paper layout files for models or ask here. HTH Jürgen Thanks Kind Regards Steven Fredman whitseiepaper.layout Description: Binary data
Re: Adding new class into LyX
I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX¹s lack of support for Mac- LyX is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn¹t it is a total waste of time and time is something we just don¹t have. The documentation just isn¹t clear and Mac support is terrible. From: Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 09:25 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Adding new class into LyX Hi I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's associated files can be found at http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this, but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work. Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding this type of document. I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit. Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template provided? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Kind Regards Steven Fredman
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Am 28.03.2014 um 10:46 schrieb Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX’s lack of support for Mac- LyX is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn’t it is a total waste of time and time is something we just don’t have. The documentation just isn’t clear and Mac support is terrible. Would you mind to be more specific? What is terrible? Stephan From: Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 09:25 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Adding new class into LyX Hi I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's associated files can be found at http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this, but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work. Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding this type of document. I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit. Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template provided? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Kind Regards Steven Fredman
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 10:46 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon: I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX's lack of support for Mac- LyX is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn't it is a total waste of time and time is something we just don't have. Aha. And you think the LyX developers, a small group of volunteers, are blessed with an infinite treasure of free time? Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Of course, I find quite excessive to speak of LyX's lack of support for Mac or total waste of time. I use LyX under OSX with a lot of pleasure and the fact that you spend time to make this possible is a bounty for us. Moreover, this specific problem has no special root in the OSX version, I think, since the latex classes and the LyX modules are compatible between all versions. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have switched to Lyx). The only point that has maybe been somewhat deficient in the OSX support is the lack of support of Retina screens (so I am sticking to MacBooks with 1400x900 screens :-) ), but this is a limitation due to QT if I have understood well the problem. Given Nokia's problems, I do not know if the future of QT is very bright any way... Moreover, there were rumors on the mailing list indicating that the next version of QT would be Retina-compatible, but I have not followed this issue further. 2014-03-28 11:09 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org: 2014-03-28 10:46 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon: I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX's lack of support for Mac- LyX is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn't it is a total waste of time and time is something we just don't have. Aha. And you think the LyX developers, a small group of volunteers, are blessed with an infinite treasure of free time? Jürgen -- *Prof. Murat Yildizoglu* Note: Please use the following address as such UNIVERSITE DE BORDEAUX GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113) MURAT YILDIZOGLU 16 AVENUE LEON DUGUIT CS 50057 33608 PESSAC CEDEX FRANCE Bureau : E-331 mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr web: yildizoglu.info
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and terrible support. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have switched to Lyx). Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were attempts to do so. But then, we are about 7 persons in the core team, all of has have a job and a career, so it is a it is in OSS: Things get implemented if someone finds the time and interest. OTOH, I think LyX has a great community. Usually, if someone requests for help with setting up a layout, he gets help within the same day. I have responded the OP within minutes, even though I actually have a paper to write myself at this very moment (where the deadline has passed already). So with all respect to wishes and dreams, my understanding for such unconstructive rants is rather limited. Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates etc. in the right places where the system can find them - so when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how frustrating this is when you are under pressure??? I am not a TeX speaker but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that you have helped to create in a professional context. However. It is just a real pain that it does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx in the form it is today thank you- but that is not the point nobody should put any software out to the public which does not work as it should my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional. Mark From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44 To: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Cc: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and terrible support. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have switched to Lyx). Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were attempts to do so. But then, we are about 7 persons in the core team, all of has have a job and a career, so it is a it is in OSS: Things get implemented if someone finds the time and interest. OTOH, I think LyX has a great community. Usually, if someone requests for help with setting up a layout, he gets help within the same day. I have responded the OP within minutes, even though I actually have a paper to write myself at this very moment (where the deadline has passed already). So with all respect to wishes and dreams, my understanding for such unconstructive rants is rather limited. Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don't know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates etc. in the right places where the system can find them --- so when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how frustrating this is when you are under pressure??? I am not a TeX speaker but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that you have helped to create in a professional context. However It is just a real pain that it does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx in the form it is today - thank you- but that is not the point - nobody should put any software out to the public which does not work as it should- my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional. 1. If you install beta software, be aware that it is beta software. The announcement of LyX 2.1beta and LyX 2.1rc clearly state that this release is for testing purposes only, users are encouraged to use current 2.0 stable release for any serious work. 2. LyX is a community project, not a commercial product. The developers are all volunteers and have jobs (I am, as you, a researcher and teacher at the university). So if you do not have time to give at least constructive feedback (one way of participating), then use commercial software and pay for the support. Regards Jürgen Mark From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44 To: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Cc: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and terrible support. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have switched to Lyx). Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were attempts to do so. But then, we are about 7 persons in the core team, all of has have a job and a career, so it is a it is in OSS: Things get implemented if someone finds the time and interest. OTOH, I think LyX has a great community. Usually, if someone requests for help with setting up a layout, he gets help within the same day. I have responded the OP within minutes, even though I actually have a paper to write myself at this very moment (where the deadline has passed already). So with all respect to wishes and dreams, my understanding for such unconstructive rants is rather limited. Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Mark, I understand your frustrations, but these installation discrepancies are small problems, and they are perfectly known normally by the users (you can search the mail list, and you will find these problems there and solutions to them). So you have not been cheated by a commercial vendor hiding from you the deficiencies of the product he sells (see below on your responsibilities as a user, from my point of view as a user)... There was also a lot of discussion about the big rewriting of the BEAMER module in the previous beta version. This is a big change, but it goes in the correct direction, even if each of us had to take sometime to get used to the new standard. You should read the documentation on the new beamer module. My beamer slides from much older versions of LyX have nearly all been imported without any big problems (including elements in the preamble, but see the end of this paragraph). You sometime need to add a separation at the end of a slide, and eliminate instructions - old tricks - that are not necessary in the newer versions of beamer. In any case, this is a software developed by a community of dedicated developers with limited resources, as J ürgen reminds it in his message. And I am grateful to them that they indeed put this software out to the public, to which I belong (I am mainly a user). Communities developing open source softs cannot just reply take it or leave it to users who formulate criticisms, but these users have also the responsibility of taking time to collect some information about the soft before adopting it (because adopting a new software is a time consuming process, whatever is the software - commercial like SWP or not), and of making suggestions of amelioration for the soft, when they have new needs, instead of flaming the community with their definitive improductive judgements. I hope that you will quickly solve your problems. Murat 2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don't know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates etc. in the right places where the system can find them --- so when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how frustrating this is when you are under pressure??? I am not a TeX speaker but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that you have helped to create in a professional context. However It is just a real pain that it does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx in the form it is today - thank you- but that is not the point - nobody should put any software out to the public which does not work as it should- my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional. Mark From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44 To: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Cc: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and terrible support. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have switched to Lyx). Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were attempts to do so. But then, we are about 7 persons in the core team, all of has have a job and a career, so it is a it is in OSS: Things get implemented if someone finds the time and interest. OTOH, I think LyX has a great community. Usually, if someone requests for help with setting up a layout, he gets help within the same day. I have responded the OP within minutes, even though I actually
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 14:42 GMT+01:00 Anders Ekberg a...@mac.com: Anyway, if I try to reproduce on a freshly installed 2.1rc1 on a Mac by taking the elsarticle template, i get an error that ../examples/biblioExample.bib is not found. (I assume the reason is that the template resides in ~/Library/Application Support/Lyx-2.1/templates/ but gets moved to ~/Documents/ when you create a new file. Thanks for the report. This looks like another instance of http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8643 I've added a note to that ticket. Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Mark, J urgen has already replied your question: the community of developers and their resources are limited, and they do what they can to provide us with the best LyX they can. It is really not a big problem for a user (that is, to someone possessing all necessary user rights on his/her Mac's OSX) to go inside the LyX bundle and copy the templates folder to some other folder and give it to LyX as a parameter in the preferences. If the installation process does not do this, I conclude that this is not easy for the developers and that there are other priorities for the usability of the software. The user can search the answers by the community to get this simple solution and implement it. If community managed software with its specific constraints (which does not exclude the possibility of suggesting developments, supporting them sometime, and contributing yourself if you can) is not convenient for you, you should use other types of software (but be prepared to be disappointed because commercial software companies are not reputed to react more quickly then LyX developers to my experience (including Microsoft and MacKichan - even the community is very nice in this last case, but again with the constraints of a community ;-) ). I will stop here, because I have shared everything I can share with you on this point. Best regards, Murat 2014-03-28 14:53 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Murat Thank you for your reply. If these problems which have frustrated me and wasted my time-- are well known by other users and there are solutions to them as you say --- then WHY have the solutions not been embedded in the latest beta? I understand software development issues and the need to update as changes are made but my comment above remains- as a simple user I need to be able to use the software- if there are well know problems in the software on particular platforms then surely the developers have a responsibility to remove them when the software is upgraded? This applies equally to open source community based as to commercial software. Mark From: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 13:39 To: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com Cc: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org, Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX Mark, I understand your frustrations, but these installation discrepancies are small problems, and they are perfectly known normally by the users (you can search the mail list, and you will find these problems there and solutions to them). So you have not been cheated by a commercial vendor hiding from you the deficiencies of the product he sells (see below on your responsibilities as a user, from my point of view as a user)... There was also a lot of discussion about the big rewriting of the BEAMER module in the previous beta version. This is a big change, but it goes in the correct direction, even if each of us had to take sometime to get used to the new standard. You should read the documentation on the new beamer module. My beamer slides from much older versions of LyX have nearly all been imported without any big problems (including elements in the preamble, but see the end of this paragraph). You sometime need to add a separation at the end of a slide, and eliminate instructions - old tricks - that are not necessary in the newer versions of beamer. In any case, this is a software developed by a community of dedicated developers with limited resources, as J ürgen reminds it in his message. And I am grateful to them that they indeed put this software out to the public, to which I belong (I am mainly a user). Communities developing open source softs cannot just reply take it or leave it to users who formulate criticisms, but these users have also the responsibility of taking time to collect some information about the soft before adopting it (because adopting a new software is a time consuming process, whatever is the software - commercial like SWP or not), and of making suggestions of amelioration for the soft, when they have new needs, instead of flaming the community with their definitive improductive judgements. I hope that you will quickly solve your problems. Murat 2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don't know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 14:58 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller: Thanks for the report. This looks like another instance of http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8643 I've added a note to that ticket. And fixed the problem for the next release. Jürgen Jürgen
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes:
2014-03-28 15:59 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de:
Yes - that's what I meant - I roght-clicked on the BibTeX insets -
Settings - Style and changed both to elsarticle-harv.
Am I missing something?
Remove the style completely in the second instance, i.e. the Style field
should be empty.
You might to close an reopen the document afterwards.
I did - and I still get an error:
,
| This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2013)
| Capacity: max_strings=35307, hash_size=35307, hash_prime=30011
| The top-level auxiliary file: Untitled.aux
| The style file: elsarticle-harv.bst
| Multiple inclusions of entire database
| ---line 22 of file Untitled.aux
| : \citation{*
| :}
| I'm skipping whatever remains of this command
| Illegal, another \bibdata command---line 23 of file Untitled.aux
| : \bibdata
| : {1_Users_rainerkrug_tmp_Proceedings}
| I'm skipping whatever remains of this command
`
Any suggestions now? It seems that it has to do with the multiple
complete databases I want to include.
Rainer
Jürgen
Rainer
Jürgen
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Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote: 2014-03-28 15:19 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: Hi I am having a document (attached) which does not compile in the new LyX rc but on 2.0.7.1 It has something to do with multiple bibliographies - if I delete one, it is working. You get a bibtex error in both cases (look at Tools LaTeX log in LyX 2.0.7). However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. In general, the problem is that you cannot use two different bib styles in one document. We could pop up a message box telling the user. Hey,we found a bibtex problem. We're sorry that we didn't complain about it in previous version, but you should fix it like this. \n\n (Don't show me again [checkbox]) Vincent
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes: 2014-03-28 15:42 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr : However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. Concerning this point, could we have a preference somewhere for ignoring them? I remarked in the previous beta (having tested yet the RC1) that even if the PDF does compiles with these errors, Lyx does not show it. It would be nice to preview the PDF nevertheless. I am reluctant to do this. If bibtex reports an error, you should fix it. I agree here - although I have bitten by this... You could make the same argument wrt LaTeX error. In many cases, a PDF would be produced nonetheless, but a wrong one (the same applies to bibtex errors). Jürgen -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 pgpxKNOoMYXnj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 16:03 GMT+01:00 Philipp Gröne philipp.gro...@googlemail.com: Yes, sometimes the PDF would be the wrong one. But imagine this case: My thesis had 4 chapters, and was made up from 6 documents (Master document+Appendix where 5. and 6.). Out of some reasons, the 4th chapter wouldn't compile alone, but ended with some or the other error message. If I tried to compile the master document, everything looked fine. Probably, with some work, I would've been able to repair the 4th chapter, so it would've compile alone. But your point is that you want to skip all sorts of errors, right, not only bibtex errors? Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 16:11 GMT+01:00 Anders Ekberg: Quoting myself ... I suspect it could be a bit difficult to solve shows either my complete ignorance of programming (which I hope is not correct) or your high abilities (which I hope is correct). I am impressed! I wish you were right with your second statement, but this was really trivial (and not even a programming task). Jürgen All the best! Anders
Re: Adding new class into LyX
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:06:11 +0100 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote: Hi Mark This is getting ridiculous. As far as I know, everybody can choose their software. If you are not happy with LyX / beamer, use Powerpoint. Exactly. I've never been happy with LyX/beamer, so I either make my presentations in LibreOffice, or in Beamer using Vim. Everyone uses LyX for circumstances where they find it the best tool, and use other software for other purposes. And I want to thank the developers for the software with which I put out about 8 books over 13 years. The LyX developers materially improved my business. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote: 2014-03-28 16:10 GMT+01:00 Philipp Gröne: Yes. In fact, I want to be able to choose which errors are skipped. Or, even better, I want a comprehensive list of errors and a pdf-file. http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8739 Jürgen I agree with Jürgen. I personally don't think there should even be an option available. The only thing that makes me hesitant is Julien's example that there is a bug in some software. What do other software do? gcc/clang do not still produce binaries. knitr I think by default does not stop on errors (although this might have changed). LaTeX I guess does still produce a pdf if you keep returning through the errors (or you put \nonstopmode). As far as a comprehensive list of errors, I agree that this would in theory be nice, but I believe that only the first error is accurate. Best, Scott
Re: Adding new class into LyX
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:33:57 +0100 Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr wrote: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Of course, I find quite excessive to speak of LyX's lack of support for Mac or total waste of time. You think? :-) Funny, I didn't see an offer from Mark to help make LyX more Mac friendly, whatever that might mean. I mean, probably most of us don't even have Macs to test LyX on. I know I don't. I didn't see Mark fork the project or make an alternative. He can't help us, he can't forge a new path, so he impotently rants. I think the LyX project ought to have a page for Apple users explaining what free software is and isn't, who creates it and why they create it, and a brief explanation of the fact that Mac users can always buy their solutions if free software doesn't float their boat. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
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Maybe I am missing something here, but I am against softwares that decide in place of the users. This is one of the reasons why I have never adopted MS programs. If latex accepts to build the file, lyx should accept to show the file built by latex. It is not its job to get on the way of the user. It is the user's job to decide which errors and warnings must be taken care of, not Lyx's one, in my opinion. Best regards, Murat Le vendredi 28 mars 2014, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.orgjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skost...@lyx.org'); a écrit : On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote: 2014-03-28 16:10 GMT+01:00 Philipp Gröne: Yes. In fact, I want to be able to choose which errors are skipped. Or, even better, I want a comprehensive list of errors and a pdf-file. http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8739 Jürgen I agree with Jürgen. I personally don't think there should even be an option available. The only thing that makes me hesitant is Julien's example that there is a bug in some software. What do other software do? gcc/clang do not still produce binaries. knitr I think by default does not stop on errors (although this might have changed). LaTeX I guess does still produce a pdf if you keep returning through the errors (or you put \nonstopmode). As far as a comprehensive list of errors, I agree that this would in theory be nice, but I believe that only the first error is accurate. Best, Scott -- *Prof. Murat Yildizoglu* Note: Please use the following address as such UNIVERSITE DE BORDEAUX GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113) MURAT YILDIZOGLU 16 AVENUE LEON DUGUIT CS 50057 33608 PESSAC CEDEX FRANCE Bureau : E-331 mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr web: yildizoglu.info -- *Prof. Murat Yildizoglu* Note: Please use the following address as such UNIVERSITE DE BORDEAUX GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113) MURAT YILDIZOGLU 16 AVENUE LEON DUGUIT CS 50057 33608 PESSAC CEDEX FRANCE Bureau : E-331 mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr web: yildizoglu.info
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr wrote: Maybe I am missing something here, but I am against softwares that decide in place of the users. This is one of the reasons why I have never adopted MS programs. If latex accepts to build the file, lyx should accept to show the file built by latex. It is not its job to get on the way of the user. It is the user's job to decide which errors and warnings must be taken care of, not Lyx's one, in my opinion. Hi Murat, Warnings, yes. As for errors, I think things are a little more complicated than latex accepts to build the file. First, LaTeX makes you press return many many times. It makes no attempts to make compiling a pleasant experience if your LaTeX file contains an error. Second, often there is a chain of commands that need to be run. e.g. 1. latex, 2. bibtex 3. latex. If there is an error at 2, yes there is a pdf file still available, but this only happens because 1 produced the pdf file without errors. If you run 3 then maybe it updates the pdf file as it can because I don't think it is expecting that you would dare to continue to 3 if 2 had errors. I don't think it's the job of latex to check for bibtex errors. I'm still open to other opinions on this, but not convinced yet. Best, Scott
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes:
2014-03-28 16:11 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug:
I did - and I still get an error:
,
| This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2013)
| Capacity: max_strings=35307, hash_size=35307, hash_prime=30011
| The top-level auxiliary file: Untitled.aux
| The style file: elsarticle-harv.bst
| Multiple inclusions of entire database
| ---line 22 of file Untitled.aux
| : \citation{*
| :}
| I'm skipping whatever remains of this command
| Illegal, another \bibdata command---line 23 of file Untitled.aux
| : \bibdata
| : {1_Users_rainerkrug_tmp_Proceedings}
| I'm skipping whatever remains of this command
`
Any suggestions now? It seems that it has to do with the multiple
complete databases I want to include.
Try Sectioned bibliographies in Document Settings Bibliography
That worked - after closing and re-opening the document.
After which changes do I actual have to close and re-open the document?
A complete re-compile option which deletes all temporary files would
be quite useful.
Thanks,
Rainer
Jürgen
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Re: Adding new class into LyX
Hey Mark, And you're still on this list why? Don't let the door hit you in the rear end on your way out. SteveT On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:46:03 + Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX¹s lack of support for Mac- LyX is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn¹t it is a total waste of time and time is something we just don¹t have. The documentation just isn¹t clear and Mac support is terrible. From: Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 09:25 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Adding new class into LyX Hi I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's associated files can be found at http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this, but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work. Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding this type of document. I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit. Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template provided? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Kind Regards Steven Fredman
Some French help files want German language
Dear list members, I was trying to learn LyX better, and I noticed an unexpected error message when compiling the Math guide. It's a Babel error message complaining that the ngerman option was not defined. This also happened with the User Guide, while other docs compiled fine (Introduction, Learning Guide, Embedded objects...) With texlive-lang-german installed, everything works! Now, German is a beautiful language, but isn't that weird? Best regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 18:06 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: That worked - after closing and re-opening the document. After which changes do I actual have to close and re-open the document? I am not sure. In any case, the problem are the aux and bbl files that need to be deleted. A complete re-compile option which deletes all temporary files would be quite useful. Agreed. Or let LyX detect these cases and try to rebuild from scratch. Jürgen
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 16:11 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug:
I did - and I still get an error:
,
| This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2013)
| Capacity: max_strings=35307, hash_size=35307, hash_prime=30011
| The top-level auxiliary file: Untitled.aux
| The style file: elsarticle-harv.bst
| Multiple inclusions of entire database
| ---line 22 of file Untitled.aux
| : \citation{*
| :}
| I'm skipping whatever remains of this command
| Illegal, another \bibdata command---line 23 of file Untitled.aux
| : \bibdata
| : {1_Users_rainerkrug_tmp_Proceedings}
| I'm skipping whatever remains of this command
`
Any suggestions now? It seems that it has to do with the multiple
complete databases I want to include.
Try Sectioned bibliographies in Document Settings Bibliography
Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
On 03/28/2014 06:44 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and terrible support. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have switched to Lyx). Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were attempts to do so. Even that does not help that much. You would still have to go through the class file, or an example, or whatever, and create the layout. That's where the real work is, IMHO, and there is no way around it. No one is going to write some program to parse cls files and create layout files from them. I'm not ever sure it's possible, in any realistic sense. People who want LyX to support new class files have to be willing to do the work. That's not to say the original poster isn't. But it's silly for anyone to expect *us* to do it. Richard
Re: Adding new class into LyX
From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org2014-03-28 14:58 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller: Thanks for the report. This looks like another instance of http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8643 I've added a note to that ticket. And fixed the problem for the next release. Jürgen Quoting myself ² I suspect it could be a bit difficult to solve² shows either my complete ignorance of programming (which I hope is not correct) or your high abilities (which I hope is correct). I am impressed! All the best! Anders
Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience
2014-03-28 18:02 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela bcsikos...@freemail.hu: I will test/practice new beamer layout. I don't mind if I have to manually indent stuff. The only thing I am afraid of is that if I insert something afterwards, everything is messed up below the newn insert and I have to start over indenting/structuring. Do not hesitate to report back. There are minor issues regarding the look of the new layout. I preferred the longer horizontal lines between frames. And I would like the frame titles to be centered. Is it possible to adjust my layout file accordingly? What should I change? As for the longer line, change the LabelString of the Separator style in the beamer class. Instead of copying and modifying the file itself (which cuts you from further updates and fixes in that layout class), you can also add this to Document Settings Local Layout: Style Separator LabelString End Centering the frame title is more difficult. You cannot do this currently without also centering the whole frame content. Jürgen Thanks you once more, bcsikos
Re: Some French help files want German language
2014-03-28 18:01 GMT+01:00 Daniel CLEMENT: Dear list members, I was trying to learn LyX better, and I noticed an unexpected error message when compiling the Math guide. It's a Babel error message complaining that the ngerman option was not defined. This also happened with the User Guide, while other docs compiled fine (Introduction, Learning Guide, Embedded objects...) With texlive-lang-german installed, everything works! Now, German is a beautiful language, but isn't that weird? The French math manual (at least the 2.1 version) includes German text (search for Das Spektrum wird fouriertransformiert.). I did not check the User Guide, but it is probably the same cause. Don't ask me why this is. Jürgen
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes: 2014-03-28 15:19 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: Hi I am having a document (attached) which does not compile in the new LyX rc but on 2.0.7.1 It has something to do with multiple bibliographies - if I delete one, it is working. You get a bibtex error in both cases (look at Tools LaTeX log in LyX 2.0.7). However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. That is actually nice. In general, the problem is that you cannot use two different bib styles in one document. I changed the bib style to the same, and still get the error (new lyx file attached). So where do I have to change them? Thanks, Untitled.lyx Description: LyX file Rainer Jürgen Suggestions -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 pgppWiLC5sFMp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com writes: Murat Thank you for your reply. If these problems which have frustrated me and wasted my time‹ are well known by other users and there are solutions to them as you say ‹- then WHY have the solutions not been embedded in the latest beta? I understand software development issues and the need to update as changes are made but my comment above remains- as a simple user I need to be able to use the software- if there are well know problems in the software on particular platforms then surely the developers have a responsibility to remove them when the software is upgraded? Hi Mark This is getting ridiculous. As far as I know, everybody can choose their software. If you are not happy with LyX / beamer, use Powerpoint. The developers of LyX are doing an AWESOME job - and if you think not, then do it yourself or use another softeware. Cheers, Rainer This applies equally to open source community based as to commercial software. Mark From: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 13:39 To: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com Cc: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org, Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX Mark, I understand your frustrations, but these installation discrepancies are small problems, and they are perfectly known normally by the users (you can search the mail list, and you will find these problems there and solutions to them). So you have not been cheated by a commercial vendor hiding from you the deficiencies of the product he sells (see below on your responsibilities as a user, from my point of view as a user)... There was also a lot of discussion about the big rewriting of the BEAMER module in the previous beta version. This is a big change, but it goes in the correct direction, even if each of us had to take sometime to get used to the new standard. You should read the documentation on the new beamer module. My beamer slides from much older versions of LyX have nearly all been imported without any big problems (including elements in the preamble, but see the end of this paragraph). You sometime need to add a separation at the end of a slide, and eliminate instructions - old tricks - that are not necessary in the newer versions of beamer. In any case, this is a software developed by a community of dedicated developers with limited resources, as J ürgen reminds it in his message. And I am grateful to them that they indeed put this software out to the public, to which I belong (I am mainly a user). Communities developing open source softs cannot just reply take it or leave it to users who formulate criticisms, but these users have also the responsibility of taking time to collect some information about the soft before adopting it (because adopting a new software is a time consuming process, whatever is the software - commercial like SWP or not), and of making suggestions of amelioration for the soft, when they have new needs, instead of flaming the community with their definitive improductive judgements. I hope that you will quickly solve your problems. Murat 2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates etc. in the right places where the system can find them ‹- so when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how frustrating this is when you are under pressure??? I am not a TeX speaker but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that you have helped to create in a professional context. HoweverŠ. It is just a real pain that it does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx in the form it is today thank you- but that is not the point nobody should put any software out to the public which does not work as it should my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional. Mark From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44 To: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Cc: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List
Re: Adding new class into LyX
Murat Thank you for your reply. If these problems which have frustrated me and wasted my time are well known by other users and there are solutions to them as you say - then WHY have the solutions not been embedded in the latest beta? I understand software development issues and the need to update as changes are made but my comment above remains- as a simple user I need to be able to use the software- if there are well know problems in the software on particular platforms then surely the developers have a responsibility to remove them when the software is upgraded? This applies equally to open source community based as to commercial software. Mark From: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 13:39 To: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com Cc: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org, Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX Mark, I understand your frustrations, but these installation discrepancies are small problems, and they are perfectly known normally by the users (you can search the mail list, and you will find these problems there and solutions to them). So you have not been cheated by a commercial vendor hiding from you the deficiencies of the product he sells (see below on your responsibilities as a user, from my point of view as a user)... There was also a lot of discussion about the big rewriting of the BEAMER module in the previous beta version. This is a big change, but it goes in the correct direction, even if each of us had to take sometime to get used to the new standard. You should read the documentation on the new beamer module. My beamer slides from much older versions of LyX have nearly all been imported without any big problems (including elements in the preamble, but see the end of this paragraph). You sometime need to add a separation at the end of a slide, and eliminate instructions - old tricks - that are not necessary in the newer versions of beamer. In any case, this is a software developed by a community of dedicated developers with limited resources, as J ürgen reminds it in his message. And I am grateful to them that they indeed put this software out to the public, to which I belong (I am mainly a user). Communities developing open source softs cannot just reply take it or leave it to users who formulate criticisms, but these users have also the responsibility of taking time to collect some information about the soft before adopting it (because adopting a new software is a time consuming process, whatever is the software - commercial like SWP or not), and of making suggestions of amelioration for the soft, when they have new needs, instead of flaming the community with their definitive improductive judgements. I hope that you will quickly solve your problems. Murat 2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates etc. in the right places where the system can find them - so when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how frustrating this is when you are under pressure??? I am not a TeX speaker but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that you have helped to create in a professional context. However. It is just a real pain that it does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx in the form it is today thank you- but that is not the point nobody should put any software out to the public which does not work as it should my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional. Mark From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org Date: Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44 To: Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr Cc: Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu: Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-) The users should be able to tell the problems they meet. Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and terrible support. It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. Concerning this point, could we have a preference somewhere for ignoring them? I remarked in the previous beta (having tested yet the RC1) that even if the PDF does compiles with these errors, Lyx does not show it. It would be nice to preview the PDF nevertheless. 2014-03-28 15:37 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org: 2014-03-28 15:19 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: Hi I am having a document (attached) which does not compile in the new LyX rc but on 2.0.7.1 It has something to do with multiple bibliographies - if I delete one, it is working. You get a bibtex error in both cases (look at Tools LaTeX log in LyX 2.0.7). However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. In general, the problem is that you cannot use two different bib styles in one document. Jürgen Suggestions -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 -- *Prof. Murat Yildizoglu* Note: Please use the following address as such UNIVERSITE DE BORDEAUX GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113) MURAT YILDIZOGLU 16 AVENUE LEON DUGUIT CS 50057 33608 PESSAC CEDEX FRANCE Bureau : E-331 mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr web: yildizoglu.info
Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:
2014-03-27 21:37 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:
That is, the frame environment is a standard environment placed in a frame,
but keeps
its nested status. Therefore I don#39;t have to change it to
#39;standard#39;
environment and nest it manually. Is this correct?
Not quite. The frame environment is a frame environment. It can consists of
several
paragraphs, but only one frame title, which is normally given in the first
line.
Thanks. I guess I meant the same, ie I don't have to change Frame environment
to any other and I don't have to nest it either.
It behaves
?exatly as any other environment now. If you use, to stick with the beamer
class, an
example or block environment, it is conceptually the same than the frame
environment.
You do not change the paragraph style of a block environment to Standard and
nest it,
do you? Neither don#39;t you change the content of a quote environment to
Standard
and nest it. So why would you want to do it with the frame environment?
Based on your suggestions I created a frame with title and content with
keeping
#39;frame#39; environment for the content. Then I inserted a subtitle below
the
title (moving cursor after title, pressing enter and applying
#39;subtitle#39;
environment). This resulted in a non-indented subtitle and messed up the
frame. I had
to manually increase depth for the subtitle.
I find it messy that I have to manually nest subtitle but I don#39;t have to
nest
standard frame content.
Look, the subtitle is a command, while the frame is an environment. In LaTeX,
it looks like this
\begin{frame}{title} \subtitle{Subtitle}frame textframe text\end{frame}
This is conceptually the same as if you would nest a chapter within a quote
environment.
You would also need to nest it.
Why is this so? Because the beamer author decided to implement it that way (he
could
also have implemented it via a further optional argument, but he didn#39;t).
Furthermore if I add list environment to the frame content it is not nested
either, have
to be indented manually.
This is the normal way LyX treats _any_ environment. Content inside
environments must
be nested. Frame was the only exception.
The previous method (in lyx 2.0, 1.6) was much more straightforward and more
usable.
In that version the nesting problem appeared only when I used the columns
environment (and usually it drove me nuts). Now, as I see this complication
have been
extended to the whole frame composition. There must be some big advantage of
this
approach, what is it?
Let me put it the reverse way: What was the bid disadvantage of the old
approach? Itwas based on a huge, ugly, completely opaque hack. The old frame
layout in fact did
not use a real beamer frame, but this hack (take out your brown paper bag):
\long\def\lyxframe#1{\@lyxframe#1\@lyxframestop}% \def\@lyxframe
{\@ifnextchar}}%
\def\@@lyxframe{\@ifnextchar[{\@@@lyxframe}{\@@@lyxframe[]}}
\def\@@@lyxframe[{\@ifnextchar[}{\lyxframe[][}} \def\@lyxframe
[#2]{\@ifnextchar[{\lyxframe[#2]}{\lyxframe[#2][]}}
\long\def\lyxframe[#2][#3]#4\@lyxframestop#5\lyxframeend{%
\frame[#2]
[#3]{\frametitle{#4}#5}}And plainframe: \long\def
\lyxplainframe#1{\@lyxplainframe#1\@lyxframestop}%
\def\@lyxplainframe{\@ifnextchar}}% \long\def
\@@lyxplainframe#2\@lyxframestop#3\lyxframeend{%
\frame[plain]{\frametitle{#2}
#3}}
And againframe: \long\def\lyxagainframe#1{\@lyxagainframe#1\@lyxframestop}%
\def\@lyxagainframe{\@ifnextchar}}% \def\@@lyxagainframe{\@ifnextchar
[{\@@@lyxagainframe}{\@@@lyxagainframe[]}}
\long\def\@@@lyxagainframe[#2]#3\@lyxframestop{%
\againframe[#2]{#3}}Do
you understand these definitions? No? Good: Me neither. No LyX developer does.
Not
even the current beamer developers do. It was written many years ago by the
original
beamer developer (who is not active anymore) just for the sake of the LyX user
interface.
The problem with this definition, apart from its opaqueness, is that it is a
dead end
street. Nobody knows how long it will continue to work as beamer is developed
further.
It was the reason that LyX could not support many beamer features (fragile
frame was
not supported at all, beamer handout could only be supported in a very limited
way, only
a subset of frame options could be supported, optional arguments did not work,
and so
on and so forth). All these problems were unfixable on the basis of the old
approach.
And finally, LyX exported nonstandard LaTeX output. With the old layout, you
got this LyXism in the LaTeX export:
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
\lyxframeend{}\lyxframe{Frame title}
Frame content
\lyxframeend{}With LyX 2.1, you get _proper_ LaTeX output:
\begin{frame}{Frame title}Frame content
\end{frame}I completely understand that it is demanding to get used to a new
UI when
you were used to the old one. I felt the same. But I can assure you, that you
can get
used to it. And
Re: Adding new class into LyX
From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org Date: fredag 28 mars 2014 16:16 To: Anders Ekberg a...@mac.com Cc: LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Adding new class into LyX 2014-03-28 16:11 GMT+01:00 Anders Ekberg: Quoting myself ² I suspect it could be a bit difficult to solve² shows either my complete ignorance of programming (which I hope is not correct) or your high abilities (which I hope is correct). I am impressed! I wish you were right with your second statement, but this was really trivial (and not even a programming task). Jürgen Ouch, that means I have to shape up significantly on my programming knowledge ;-) Have a nice weekend! /Anders
Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Hi I am having a document (attached) which does not compile in the new LyX rc but on 2.0.7.1 Untitled.lyx Description: Lyx rc1 2.1 Proceedings.bib Description: bibtex 1 InBook.bib Description: bibtex 2 Untitled.20.lyx Description: Lyx 2.0.x file of the document It has something to do with multiple bibliographies - if I delete one, it is working. Suggestions -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 pgpk2Xv0fH0Kw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 15:42 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr : However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. Concerning this point, could we have a preference somewhere for ignoring them? I remarked in the previous beta (having tested yet the RC1) that even if the PDF does compiles with these errors, Lyx does not show it. It would be nice to preview the PDF nevertheless. I am reluctant to do this. If bibtex reports an error, you should fix it. You could make the same argument wrt LaTeX error. In many cases, a PDF would be produced nonetheless, but a wrong one (the same applies to bibtex errors). Jürgen
Re: Adding new class into LyX
2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com: Aplogies for lack of immediate response - I had to teach. I have had frustrations with Lyx ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago. Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates etc. in the right places where the system can find them - so when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how frustrating this is when you are under pressure??? I am not a TeX speaker but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that you have helped to create in a professional context. However. It is just a real pain that it does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx in the form it is today thank you- but that is not the point nobody should put any software out to the public which does not work as it should my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional. 1. If you install beta software, be aware that it is beta software. The announcement of LyX 2.1beta and LyX 2.1rc clearly state that this release is for testing purposes only, users are encouraged to use current 2.0 stable release for any serious work. 2. LyX is a community project, not a commercial product. The developers are all volunteers and have jobs (I am, as you, a researcher and teacher at the university). So if you do not have time to give at least constructive feedback (one way of participating), then use commercial software and pay for the support. Regards Jürgen I completely agree with Jurgen when I ask for a New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external files which are not available.etc² is not really helpful for solving your problem. (A good idea if you want someone to really help you is to make it as easy as possible for them if you just want to complain that is another thing ;-) Anyway, if I try to reproduce on a freshly installed 2.1rc1 on a Mac by taking the elsarticle template, i get an error that ../examples/biblioExample.bib is not found. (I assume the reason is that the template resides in ~/Library/Application Support/Lyx-2.1/templates/ but gets moved to ~/Documents/ when you create a new file. If your problem is something like that (which, as said, I don¹t know) then click on the gray box with BibTeX-generated bibliography, remove the current database and add the biblioExample by browsing and selecting ~/Library/Application Support/Lyx-2.1/examples/biblioExample.bib And now it works. I agree that this is not really good, but I suspect it could be a bit difficult to solve. Also you usually provide your own bibliography when using the template. As I said, I have no idea if your problem is similar (judging from the first comment, I would suspect that you would also require a Reconfigure of LyX and possible to do a sudo texhash from the Terminal to get things to work). But as Jürgen pointed out: If you can¹t take time to explain what your problem is, then buy commercial program/support (especially if they get paid by the hour in supporting ;-) Have a nice weekend! Anders
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes: 2014-03-28 15:50 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: I changed the bib style to the same, and still get the error (new lyx file attached). So where do I have to change them? The problem is not the bib file (you can of course have multiple of these), but the bst files (styles). Yes - that's what I meant - I roght-clicked on the BibTeX insets - Settings - Style and changed both to elsarticle-harv. Am I missing something? Rainer Jürgen -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 pgpep_9KCFlC1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
2014-03-28 15:19 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: Hi I am having a document (attached) which does not compile in the new LyX rc but on 2.0.7.1 It has something to do with multiple bibliographies - if I delete one, it is working. You get a bibtex error in both cases (look at Tools LaTeX log in LyX 2.0.7). However, until LyX 2.1, we did not track bibtex errors. Now we do. So were just not informed that something is wrong before. In general, the problem is that you cannot use two different bib styles in one document. Jürgen Suggestions -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982
Re: Document doews not compile with rc1 and multiple bibliograpies
Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes: 2014-03-28 18:06 GMT+01:00 Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de: That worked - after closing and re-opening the document. After which changes do I actual have to close and re-open the document? I am not sure. In any case, the problem are the aux and bbl files that need to be deleted. A complete re-compile option which deletes all temporary files would be quite useful. Agreed. Or let LyX detect these cases and try to rebuild from scratch. Filed a ticket: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/9061 Cheers, Rainer Jürgen -- Rainer M. Krug email: Raineratkrugsdotde PGP: 0x0F52F982 pgpjStS5vrnW3.pgp Description: PGP signature
